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So trade deadline 15 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: in baseball was nuts, and I said on the air 16 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: on Premier and Fox Sports, I didn't understand the Padres 17 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: acting like the Dodgers or the Yankees, a big market 18 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: team going after Juan Soto, who is a remarkable talent, 19 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: ten year runway in his prime. And so I called 20 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: Scott Borrows, the super agent who's been doing this for 21 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: thirty years, and on a day like today, I rolled 22 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: the dice. I thought very little chance he would call back. 23 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: Ninety seconds later, he called back. We talked ten minutes 24 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: on the deal. The guy's an absolute machine. He's a legend, 25 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: and so I asked him the question. I said, listen, 26 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: I get the Dodgers making this move Astros Braves. These 27 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: are multi sports franchise towns. These are major economies San Diego. 28 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: I've never felt this. How are they affording it? They 29 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,559 Speaker 1: don't have one of the richest owners. And he explained 30 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 1: it to me. He said, first of all, he called 31 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: Juan Soto a centurion, one of the hundred best baseball 32 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: talents of all time. And he said, even when a 33 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: Rod initially moved, he was closer to twenty four or 34 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: twenty five. This kid's like twenty one years old, so 35 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: you have such a runway on him. If the deal 36 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: didn't make sense because of his war wins above replacement 37 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 1: five years in, you could move him and always get 38 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: something back in return. But he said, the San Diego 39 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: market is bigger than you think. He said, because of 40 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: their proximity to Tijuana, they have a Spanish speaking broadcast. 41 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: It is highly lucrative for the team and the broadcasters. 42 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: It makes it a much larger market than you think. 43 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: He said, Also, chargers out of town. It's a one 44 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 1: horse town now. All the attention and money goes to 45 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: the Podres. He said, Also, it's very important to note 46 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: that the Podres ownership wants to create a national brand. 47 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: They're going all in on this stuff. In a sport 48 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: of half and have nots, they want to be one 49 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 1: of the five or six or seven halves. They also 50 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: own some of the real estate, the California real estate 51 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: around the stadium. They own parts of the stadium. And 52 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: he also said if you look at the lineup they 53 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: have when Tatis gets back, he said, you're looking at 54 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,839 Speaker 1: potentially sellouts over forty thousand a night for the next 55 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: seven to eight years. California economy. Those prices are top 56 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 1: of the market, he said, don't view them as your 57 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: typical you know, one horse town. It's a much larger 58 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: market than you think. Sodo is a centurion player once 59 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: maybe in a decade, all time talent, and he said, 60 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: also which guarantees Sodo's productivity. They're surrounding him with players. 61 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: They're going to have Tatis back and Machado multiple players 62 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: in this lineup surrounding him. So it's not like years ago, 63 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: remember when the Reds had just Ken Griffey Junior, or 64 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: the Twins have just Joe Mauer, And that feels like 65 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: it's all they can afford. If you go to the 66 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: American Census, San Diego is the eighth largest city in 67 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: the United States and they're averaging the fifth most fans 68 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: per game. Well you add Soto, Now what can you 69 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: charge for tickets? I mean, just to show you the 70 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: talent that the Dodgers and the Padres have. It feels 71 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: very reminiscent a decade ago, when the Yankees would face 72 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: the Red Sox every offseason was an arms race between 73 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: Boston and New York. When those teams would play ten 74 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, it was an all Star game. You 75 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: could have taken the best players on those teams against 76 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:49,799 Speaker 1: the rest of baseball and it would have been competitive. 77 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: When the Dodgers and Padres played this weekend. Turn on 78 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: one of those games. Now, remember Tatias is hurt. Turn 79 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: on those games. Look at the lineups. You could have 80 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: an All Star team with those two teams. Now, Josh 81 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: Hayter's a closer from the Brewers to San Diego. Those 82 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: two teams could create an all star team that could 83 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: play against the rest of the best players in the league, 84 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: can be competitive. I love it. So it's the California economy, 85 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: a highly aggressive ownership group, and right now baseball isn't 86 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: in an interesting spot. We know football rules the world. 87 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: An NBA gets attention because of its stars, hype and glamour. 88 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: But if you look at baseball, how many teams and 89 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: the answer is many are averaging well over thirty thousand 90 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: people a night. There's an old saying with baseball. The 91 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: NBA thinks of it first, the NFL gets it right, 92 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: and Baseball makes the most money on it the volume 93 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: of baseball games. If you're putting forty to forty two 94 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: a night with those California ticket prices in that stadium, 95 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: it makes a lot of sense. So an ownership group 96 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: committed to being a top five to six have the 97 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: real estate, the equity inside the stadium padres going all in. 98 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: You may think they're a small market team, but they're 99 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: really not. You gotta give the NFL credit. So they 100 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: know that Deshaun Watson's story is coming down. So it 101 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: gets released on Monday. Do you think it's a coincidence 102 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: that on Tuesday morning they make sure it gets released 103 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: at least partially bumping the Deshaun Watson story off of 104 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: opinion shows that the Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross is 105 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: going to be suspended until October and the Dolphins lose 106 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: draft picks for tampering with Tom Brady. Listen, these big corporations, 107 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: they used to call it the Friday news dump. They 108 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 1: would dump bad news late Friday afternoon when many of 109 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: the media workers had head off for the weekend. I 110 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: thought it was interesting the Stephen Ross news comes twenty 111 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: four hours after the Deshaun Watson news, and so now 112 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: by tomorrow or by the time this airs Wednesday, they 113 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: sort of dilute each other. And remember, once the games 114 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: start Thursday, Raiders, Jags, we start moving into regular games, 115 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: the narrative changes. We don't talk to Shaun Watson. I 116 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: don't know what happens with Deshaun. But Albert Brier came 117 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: on my show and I thought brought up a really 118 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: good point is that if Roger Goodell adds to the 119 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: suspension significantly adds, the nfl PA could appeal it and 120 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: therefore Deshaun Watson could be playing in Week one. That 121 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: is not what you want. So even though I think 122 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: it's viewed as a light sentence, as Breer pointed out, 123 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: Roger Goodell could say, listen, we agreed with the NFLPA 124 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: two years ago to create this process. You bring it 125 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: an independent voice, no jury, an arbiter, a judge to 126 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: make a decision. We'll live with the results even if 127 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: we strongly disagree. So I initially my perception was Goodell's 128 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: going to add three games minimum, but he doesn't want 129 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: this puppy hogging up the news cycle for the next 130 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: six months. In a great football season with some incredible stories, 131 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: young quarterbacks flourishing Russell Wilson to Denver, Justin Fields, Trey 132 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: Lance in Chicago, San Francisco, Miami's got a real appeal now, Jacksonville, 133 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, all these young star quarterbacks. 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Now you know him primarily as 169 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: a Packers reporter, but he covers the league. Sat down 170 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: with the Steelers t J. Watt couple of days ago. 171 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: He's now in Indianapolis covering the Colts. He's covered the Steelers. 172 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: We'll get into that in a second. So let's start 173 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: with this. Like the Packers are a pretty easy read, 174 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: great at running back, tremendous defense, maybe the best corners 175 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: in the league. But and I heard this today, I 176 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: thought it was really interesting that what the Packers are 177 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: doing is sort of building a team that Brady had 178 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 1: in New England. They can run it, they can defend 179 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: it or win with their quarterback, but not reliant on it. 180 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: But Tyler, something has happened over the last four or 181 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: five years in this league. It's becoming a weapons league. 182 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: Cincinnati had a battle line, not a great defense, but 183 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: they had weapons on, a star quarterback and an offensive 184 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: coach and got to the Super Bowl. Same with the Rams. 185 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: If you look at the NFC, every playoff team had 186 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: an offensive coach. If you looked at the AFC, the 187 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: best quarterbacks one. It wasn't necessarily the best teams like 188 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: Tennessee who got bounced at home off a bye. So 189 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: I look at Green bayd I think, I think they're 190 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: really talented, and I think they could win various ways, 191 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: but they can't win in an arms race. And that's 192 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: what the sport's becoming. And I just look at that 193 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: wide receiving corn I'm like, there is no one. I'd 194 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: argue there's really no two the top teams in the league. 195 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: None of those guys are at two. How big of 196 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: a concern is it? In the house they're saying, it's kumbaya, 197 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: It's all great, But these are smart people. They don't 198 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: have a one or a two wide receiver. In an 199 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: increasingly weapons driven league. It's hard to argue with that, 200 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: colin when you see teams just loading up, especially over 201 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: in the AFC, right with what we saw this offseason. 202 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: But I think the way that Brian Goodkins and Matt 203 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: Laflora looked at it this offseasons. Yes, they wanted Davante 204 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 1: Adams back, obviously, why wouldn't you, But when they when 205 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: they lost him, they didn't want to be that hamster 206 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: on the wheel, just trying to replace what they had, 207 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: win like they won before and get to that playoff 208 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: game at home and lose it again. I think they're 209 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 1: trying to win a different game, win a different way, 210 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: and maybe drag a team into that back alley. They 211 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: haven't done that the last decade, right, I mean they've 212 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: they've been an offensive minded team that throws a lot, 213 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: that doesn't win with defense, that doesn't win with the 214 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: ground game. So what do they do? Like much to 215 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: fans sugar and they went into the draft. They get 216 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: two Georgia guys for the middle of their defense. Winners, 217 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: tough players, hard nose. Add that to a top ten defense. 218 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: You hope it's a top five defense. Kenny Clark's elite 219 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: Deviandre Campbell's one of the best linebackers, Gaire Alexander maybe 220 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: the best cover man. So you can talk yourself into 221 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: this team. I think winning a different kind of way. 222 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: And Okay, if they would have went out drafted another receiver, 223 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: given the fans what they wanted, fine, maybe that would 224 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: have worked. But I think the Green Bay has kind 225 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: of seen how these last few years went where that's 226 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: just not working. In January, it's not. For whatever reason, 227 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,719 Speaker 1: they get to that playoff game, especially last year at 228 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: home against San Francisco, and Aaron Rodgers just resembles a 229 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: different quarterback to try to win a new way. Yeah, 230 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: it's there's no reason to beat up on Aaron Rodgers. 231 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: I think at this point he is what he is 232 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: over the last fifteen playoff games. He plays well with 233 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: a lead, not necessarily behind. Home field is an advantage, 234 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: not as much as we always thought it was with Farv. 235 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: It's not really a criticism I've come to terms with Aaron. 236 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: He just is what he is. He's different. And I 237 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: do think I do think this twofold one year right, 238 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: that the way we're doing it's not working. We need 239 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: to be more physical. And two is you know Mark 240 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: Murphy said we have three one year deals with Aaron 241 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: that if Jordan Love had to play, you're not going 242 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: to win a shootout. You're gonna have to win with 243 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: running in defense. I think twofold they look at it 244 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: and they just sat down in a room and said 245 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: it ain't working because our standard is Super Bowls and 246 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: if Jordan's the quarterback, he's gonna need a lot more 247 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: help defensively. And I just think that's and I don't 248 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: think when Mark Murphy came out and said that we 249 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: got three one year deals, listen, Aaron's talk retirement four 250 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: times in two years, I think they see the end. 251 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: I don't think they think he's gonna finish the three 252 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: year contract. I really do you. I'm totally with you. 253 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you look at his contract, Colin, this could 254 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: be it. I mean, this could be one and done 255 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: and he leaves and you're starting over. If you're green Bang, 256 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: I mean the way that they've kind of operated with 257 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: not just Darren Rodgers, but all of their star players 258 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: with these deals. I mean they're going for it, they 259 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: really are. I mean, what once he walks away, this 260 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: could be a team that has to just completely blow 261 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: it up and we could have that argument. Like That's 262 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: why from day one, I was thinking, what an opportunity 263 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: to bridge, right, I mean, you trade Aaron Rodgers, you 264 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: can get anything you want and you're not a cap 265 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: hell and you can win from one generation to the next. 266 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: Now they're going for and every team seems to be 267 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: doing this right. It's an arms race. Like you said, 268 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: you're selling your soul in some cases if you're the 269 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns. But hey, you've got Aaron Rodgers. You know, 270 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: he's an MVP quarterback. You know, it's a super Bowl 271 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: caliber quarterback. Who cares what happens when he walks away? 272 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: We're going for super Bowl. You know, I'm not sure 273 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: if that's the right way to operate, but you look 274 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: at his deal, this could be it. And the pressure 275 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: did not just you know, win a division, get to 276 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: the super Bowls. The pressure to win the Super Bowls 277 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: about as high as it's ever been in Green Bay. 278 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell is the new coach of Minnesota. So I 279 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: have said I believe the Vikings will shock the league. 280 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: Every year there's a team that's okay, they double their 281 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: win total. So I think the Vikings are going to 282 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: be in the thirteen win category. They want eight last year, 283 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: so they won't double it to sixteen, but they'll they'll 284 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: get to like thirteen wins. And my reasoning is this, 285 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins ever felt respected or appreciated with Mike Zimmer. 286 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: It was an anxiety ridden relationship that got worse over time. 287 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: So if you and I went to work and we 288 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: didn't think our boss respected us or trusted us, it 289 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 1: would affect our performance. I think they would affect mine. 290 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: He had that for the last three four years in Minnesota. 291 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 1: So here comes Kevin O'Connell. They called him the Tall 292 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: Sean McVay very much into player empowerment. Secondly, Dalvin Cook 293 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: at least starts the season healthy. They're lucky in that 294 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: they get green Bay Week one, a team they've played well. 295 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: And also green Bay is now trying to work in 296 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: their receiving core to Aaron, which generally with the younger 297 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: players takes time with Aaron trust takes time. I look 298 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: at their defense, they got an edge rusher. They fell 299 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: apart physically last year, probably doesn't happen. I don't think 300 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: the Bears are very good, and I don't think the 301 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: Lions are exceptional. So I think the Vikings are the 302 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: surprised team in the league. But having covered the Packers 303 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: for a long time, there is a sense that Minnesota 304 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: can't get out of their own way. That's always been 305 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: my feeling. So when I say to you, I think 306 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: Minnesota is the nearly double your win total team, how 307 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 1: does that land for you? I tend to agree, and 308 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: I spend a little time around the Vikings. We'll have 309 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: some coverage up at the site in a week or two. 310 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 1: Sat down with Kevin O'Connell. I'm absolutely with you. This 311 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: is a player friendly coach. But you know, when you 312 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: use that term, you think, oh, this is a guy 313 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: that's gonna, you know, be buddy buddy with you and 314 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: talk about your family. But it's it's it's to the 315 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: x's and o's two. He's actually gonna put players in 316 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: position to make plays and they're not going to be 317 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: fighting these wars from within that they did before. I 318 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: mean Mike Zimmer after they lost the Philadelphia Eagles. You know, 319 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: they got to hosted the Super Bowl that next year 320 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: after RPOs just killed them. The offense is trying to 321 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 1: put in our pos and Mike Zimmer plays sheet in head, 322 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: is calling defensive plays to ruin the offensive plays so 323 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: they couldn't get into earth than they could even practice 324 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: the stuff that beat them year before. They were fighting 325 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: those wars from within all the time with Mike Zimmer 326 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: to remove that disease. Bringing a coach who you know 327 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: is going to be player first, player friendly in every 328 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: possible way. I mean, I talked to so many players 329 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,719 Speaker 1: out there. They just they look refreshed, they sound refreshed. 330 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: I get it. It's that Timmy year, right, everybody's got 331 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: hoped this Timmy Year. But I think it's real there 332 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: and I think they did the right thing Collin and 333 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: still going for it. So many teams when they get 334 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 1: a new GM, a new head coach, and this is 335 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: a GM who is all about the numbers, right, like 336 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,719 Speaker 1: he'd love all the draft picks in the world for 337 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: them to still want to compete and win and kind 338 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: of bridge it with Kirk Cousins. I used to criticize 339 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: that in the past, but I think it's smart in 340 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 1: this case because they can compete with Green Bay, they 341 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: can compete in the NFC. They've got a roster that 342 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: can win right now, and why not right like, what 343 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: do you okay, you're gonna blow it up? Then what 344 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: are you gonna do at quarterback? You're gonna go draft 345 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: Malik Willis and just hope and pray that maybe he 346 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: does something that I think there's something to be said 347 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: for the building being rejuvenated, and yeah, there I could 348 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: see twelve thirteen wins out of the Vikings. By the way, Tyler, 349 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: if you look at their schedule right now, grab your phone, 350 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 1: look at their schedule, the Viking schedule outside of the 351 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: game at Buffalo, if you look at that schedule, all 352 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: the go either way games are at home. I think 353 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: the Vikings got the most favorable schedule. In fact, even 354 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: getting Green Bay week one is a huge edge because, 355 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: first of all, Kevin O'Connell, the Packers don't know exactly 356 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: what he's going to do offensively, right He's going to 357 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: implement some of his own stuff having played. Secondly, again 358 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: Aaron with trust issues. Even if all these new receivers work. 359 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 1: It won't be ideal week one. It's going to take time. 360 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: I mean last year Week one was a disaster against 361 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: if I recall it was on the road, they got 362 00:20:55,800 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: blown out Saints in Jacksonville. Yeah. Yeah, So I let 363 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: me ask you this about Green Bay. If I said, 364 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: who's going to have the most catches, Who's going to 365 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: be their seventy catch guy? Who do you think it is? 366 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: I can't. I can't wrap my brain around anybody. Lazarre 367 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: to me, is a fifty five sixty catch guy with 368 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: five touchdowns. That's what he is. You know what the 369 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: question is to me? I mean, as Aaron Rodgers going 370 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: to be willing to, you know, get the play call 371 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: from Matt Lafloor, run that play call and put his 372 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: trust in the head coach. And it's not a criticism 373 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: for what he's done in the past. You know. I 374 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 1: got together the Mark Quis Valda scandaling down in Tampa 375 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: for a story a couple of years ago, and I 376 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: hadn't heard this before, but I thought he'd put it perfect. 377 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: He said, there's two playbooks, right. There's there's mattal Floor's playbook. 378 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: There's there's the offense. He wants to run, but he 379 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: gives Aaron Rodgers the freedom to do what he wants 380 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: to the line of scrimmage. And by and large, he's 381 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: audibly into things to Davante Adams that they might have 382 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 1: ran in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. You know, 383 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: there's like a young player on the team who told 384 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: me that he was on the field of Aaron Rodgers 385 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: and Aaron audible to a play that was from like 386 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: three to four years before. I think he was still 387 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: in high school. Whenever he used that, he apologize to 388 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: him after the fact. But that's gone. I mean that 389 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: report that you had with Devanta Adams is gone, So 390 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: maybe he has some of that with Alan's already's played 391 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: with him. Sammy Watkins is a veteran. I think he'll 392 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: be where Aaron Rodgers wants him to be for the 393 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 1: most part if he makes the team. But you've got 394 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: three rookies, a lot of young players. I'm Aari Rodgers 395 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,959 Speaker 1: couldn't get on the field last year because they brought in, 396 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: you know, Randall Cobb, because that's who Aaron Rodgers wanted 397 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: this offense could work. I mean, they've got maybe the 398 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: best one two punch at running back. They've got a 399 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 1: damn good offensive line. They could run the ball. They 400 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: could get a lot of good things going with what 401 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: mattafore wants to do. So it's gonna take some trust, 402 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: some more trust out of the quarterback to just kind 403 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: of run those plays, I think, and take what the 404 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: defense gives you and think about the bigger picture and 405 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: win that seventeen to thirteen game because that's how they're 406 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: built now with their defense, by all counts. Good relationship 407 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: with the head coach. I would think he's gonna buy in. 408 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: He's got fifty million dollars fifty million reasons to buy in. 409 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: But you're the MVP, right, I mean, you are the 410 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: richest quarterback in the league. You're the four time MVP. Hey, 411 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: it should be incumbent upon him too. Make Allen Bazarre 412 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,479 Speaker 1: to number one right to turn one of those rookies 413 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: into a stud. If anybody can do it, it's it's 414 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: the MVP of the league. So you visited the Steelers. 415 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: The Steelers and the Packers to me are very similar 416 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 1: and that they occasionally dabble in free agency, but it's 417 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: mostly continuity, draft and develop and they both had a 418 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame level quarterback for the last fifteen years. 419 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 1: Big Ben's gone Aaron Rodgers now. And when you look 420 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: at the Steelers and the Packers, let's be honest, over 421 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: the last seven eight years, massively disappointing in the postseason. 422 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: For gold standard organizations, they're very, very similar. One AFC, 423 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: one NFC. The quarterback situation's interesting. So their star leaves 424 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: and this is what green Bay could be facing in 425 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: a year or two. The market is what the market is. 426 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: Mister Trubisky's a bridge. Kenny Pickett's the young guy. So 427 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 1: the Packers in a year or two could be looking 428 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: at a bridge. Because you just don't always get First 429 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: of all, you have to hope the market delivers you 430 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: a star. It did this year Deshaun Watson. Green Bay's 431 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: not going to go out and get to Shaun Watson. 432 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh wouldn't be comfortable with his character issues, right. Cleveland 433 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: will do what Cleveland will do because they're so desperate. 434 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: What is your sense on what the Steelers are I 435 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: look at this division now, Tyler Burrows legit, Watson's a star, 436 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 1: Lamar's a star. I'm like they have easily the fourth 437 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: best quarterback in a division that generally means third or 438 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 1: fourth place, does it not? You know? I was just 439 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: at the Steelers training camp in Latrow. First day. They 440 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: were in pads, and it's just different watching the Steelers practice. 441 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you've gotten Mike Tomlin over and that backs 442 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: on linebacker one on one drill where you know, the 443 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: collisions are about as violent as you're going to see 444 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: in the NFL. They actually tackle at Steelers practice, which 445 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: is like forbidden in other cities. It's different. It's always 446 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: been that way. They've always tried to create, like the 447 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: self sustaining ecosystem of just toughness of you. You've got 448 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: to kind of get through this attrition if you're gonna 449 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: start on our defense in Pittsburgh. And I feel like 450 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: it's all of that all over again. I mean, I 451 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: don't know if a pass was completed over twelve thirteen 452 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: yards at the practice I was at, it was a 453 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 1: lot of run game, a lot of checkdowns, a lot 454 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: of tip balls, a lot of pressure. A lot of 455 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: fans were there might not have been that visually pleasing 456 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: for them. I was kind of joking about this with 457 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: like Cam Hayward after practice He's like, yeah, I don't 458 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: know how much the fans like our practices, but this 459 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: is how we win. Like we want to win that 460 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: thirteen ten game for better or worse. They have done 461 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: it in the past. If their defense can elevate and 462 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: be better than they were last year, you gotta think 463 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: they're better at quarterback, right And looked Trubisky has been 464 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: up and down. Kenny Pickets a rookie, but Ben was 465 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: in a rough place. Ben Roethlisberger was an absolute shell 466 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: of himself by the end. I gotta think they're better 467 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: at quarterback. And I'm not staying there's a Super Bowl contender, 468 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: but you know they're always going to be there with 469 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: Mike Toma that they're always going to be knocking at 470 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: the door. Yeah. See, I see the opposite. I think 471 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: Big Ben lad believe it or not, the NFL and 472 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: fourth quarter comebacks, and so Trubisky went from an offensive 473 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: coach in Matt Naggie to a defensive coach. And I 474 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: don't think the Steelers have an elite offensive coordinator. They've 475 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: struggled with that coaching position, and so I think Matt 476 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: Naggi may not be your guy, but I think he 477 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: really actually from the Andy Reid system got more to 478 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: Mitch Trubisky than he really is. I mean, let's be honest. 479 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: The market from Mitch Trubisky seven million dollars. I mean 480 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: that is like a number three corner. I think in 481 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: that system with a shaky old line, they're going to 482 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: be a pop gun offense. You pointed it out. You 483 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,479 Speaker 1: never saw a ball thrown down the field. And I 484 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: just think when you play Burrow twice and those weapons, 485 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: and Lamar twice and Deshaun and those weapons twice, he 486 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: has a Mari Cooper. Now do you know? I could 487 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 1: be wrong on this, but since they were in the 488 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: Super Bowl and lost to Green Bay, the Steelers have 489 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:27,199 Speaker 1: beaten one starting quarterback in a playoff game. That's with Ben. 490 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: I like Tomlin, I respect him. I think the practice 491 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: you saw, that's what they are. This week's gold medal 492 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: performance goes to LA's number one football team. 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See. 512 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: I think Buffalo is the Steelers fifteen years ago when 513 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: Big Ben was young, whereas playmakers on the outside, good 514 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: offensive line, not dominant, but a quarterback that really can 515 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: go off script make big plays. A little raw like 516 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: Big Ben sometimes you question his judgment. I thought I 517 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: thought Buffalo was the best team in the league last year. 518 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: I think they're the best team in the league. So 519 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: go from the Steelers to the Bills and the vibe 520 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: and what esthetically you saw. Compare the two. Yeah, it's 521 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: totally different. I mean Josh Allen, I mean Isaiah McKenzie 522 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: in the slot, and I'll admit I do a show 523 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: with him at my website. Go along, and you know, 524 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: it was frustrating for him last year to barely play, 525 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: but man, he looks incredible out there. Josh Allen has 526 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: been going to him practice in practice out I mean, 527 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: this is the longest tenured receiver on the team, believe 528 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: or not. He was there for Josh Allen's rookie season. 529 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: So there's another weapon for you. Diggs's digs, Gabriel David's 530 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: obviously he saw what he did against Kansas City. Dawson 531 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: Knox could be a top ten tight end. They've got 532 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: a lot of weapons, They've got a lot of options. 533 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: It's just funny watching their practice though, and I just 534 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: keep thinking, none of this matters. You know, nothing that 535 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: happens in August matters for Buffalo. Or September or October 536 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: or November. You know, the last three years they've been 537 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: right there, they've been in the playoffs, especially the last two, 538 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: with an offense worthy of winning it all, and they 539 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: have melted down. I think the head coach specifically. You know, 540 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: two years ago was the chip shot field goals against 541 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: the Chiefs that are gonna get you nothing. You know, 542 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: they're not gonna win that game anyways, in the AFC 543 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: Championship game, but he did them no favors Sean McDermott. 544 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: And then last year obviously with thirteen seconds talking to players, coaches, 545 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: people in and around the team. Not a lot of 546 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: accountability publicly obviously, but I think not a lot of 547 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: accountability internally, at least in the forty eight hours after 548 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: that game. That left a lot to be desired. You're 549 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: talking about a detail oriented coach column. I mean, May June, 550 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what time of year. This guy has 551 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: cleansed the building and it needed to be cleansed. After 552 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: Rex Ryan, it was an absolute cluster, you know what 553 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: with Rex Ryan and he accomplished that. But look four 554 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: or five years into this, you gotta think about the 555 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: lens of Josh Allen. You think about this team through 556 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: Josh Allen and just empowering him in every possible way 557 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: and delivering in that moment because they wasted an all 558 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: time heater last year. I mean, Josh Allens, he's winning 559 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: at home in the MC Championship game, he's winning that 560 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: Super Bowl and you didn't get to those games because 561 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: of your head coach. So I you know, I'm watching 562 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: their training camp. I'm thinking this is fun. You know, 563 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: they're aesthetically pleasing, like you said, but nothing's gonna matter 564 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: until January. Yeah, I mean, we have something happening in 565 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: this league. And I think the Dolphins hit on it 566 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: that the rules now favor offense. And the Dolphins said, 567 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: we're pivoting from defense to offense as a franchise, we're 568 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: gonna spend all our money in offense. The Steelers, by 569 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: the way, our last an offensive spending. And I think 570 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: when you have a defensive coach in the building. Mike 571 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: Zimmer couldn't get along with Kirk Cousins, Pete Carroll, Russell 572 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: Wilson couldn't get along Belichick, Brady and Nan couldn't get along. 573 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: Vic Fangio struggled with his quarterbacks that Brian Flores and 574 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: Tua reportedly awful relationship awful. So we haven't the NFL currently, Tyler, 575 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:25,959 Speaker 1: we have one ascending defensive coach, Sean McDermott, And I 576 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: think to your point, the pressure's on. You know, It's 577 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: one of those things where sometimes there's cultural changes in sports. 578 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: Sometimes there's rule changes. Like you know, you and I 579 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,239 Speaker 1: have watched the NBA become a shooters league. There are 580 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: no back to the basket centers anymore. It's like a 581 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: wasted position. So I think what's happening in the NFL 582 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,239 Speaker 1: is just look college football, you can still win with 583 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: a defensive coach. McDermott's it, Belichick's not winning, Pete Carroll's 584 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: not winning. Zimmer got fired, Flores got fired. I do 585 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: you think what you're saying about McDermott is I think true. 586 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: But Buffalo has been so starved for success. Did they 587 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: get it? Or does he still have that honeymoon halo 588 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: around him? That's the question. I mean, I've tried to 589 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: gauge that with fans. I think it's kind of split 590 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: down the middle between people who say, look, this team 591 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: was so bad for so long, seventeen years, No playoffs, 592 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,719 Speaker 1: build the statutes right now for Sean McDermott. And then 593 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: there are people who know dare to be different, they're 594 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: to be better. Like no, Josh Allen is special. Josh 595 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: Allen is an MVP candidate. There's weapons all over the place, 596 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: Brandon bead has done a hell of a job bringing 597 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: in talent. Get over the hump, right, and there's there's 598 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: a lot of layers to a head coach. You just 599 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: laid it out beautifully there. I mean, Sean McDermott deserves 600 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: so much credit for I hate to use the word culture, 601 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: but there is something to it. The culture was bad, 602 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: the cultures and how good players are showing up to 603 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: time for meetings. That was not the casement Rocks Ryde, 604 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: Who's truck and Bill's colors, by the way left a 605 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: little too early from one Bill's in twenty fifteen to sixteen. 606 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: Mcdermot's sleeping at the office. All right, all that stuff, 607 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 1: but I mean, gosh, you you have to be able 608 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 1: to just empower your best players and take advantage of 609 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: this opportunity. Because Josh Allen's contract kicks in next year, 610 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: right right, it's gonna get awfully difficult to keep anybody 611 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 1: around him when that kicks in, and you gotta keep 612 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: drafting better. You gotta keep your foot to the medal, 613 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: to the medal, and we haven't seen him deliver in 614 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: the big moment. So you know, I'm not saying that 615 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 1: they need the fire Sean McDermott right now. Obviously not. 616 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: But is he am already Schottenheimer? They fall short again 617 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: in the playoffs, maybe right at some point you have 618 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: to challenge yourself to get better if you do believe 619 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 1: Josh Allen is this transcendent player. So we'll see if 620 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 1: it gets to that point. Tyler Dunn GOLONGTD dot Com. 621 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 1: As he said, he's gone to the Bills, the Colts, 622 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: the Steelers. He'll have insight on the Packers and as noted, 623 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings. It's the summer years essentially ended here 624 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. I always appreciate you coming on, Bud, 625 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for having me Colin. 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