WEBVTT - Ep. 024 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:06.160 Welcome everyone to the Meter podcast. This is the second 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:12.280 installment or episode we're doing from the Texas Panhandle. Um, 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:16.760 we're on the Yano Esticado or state planes and we're 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:19.800 actually this place called Ransom Canyon. Now these steak plays 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:23.920 is the weird things. It's just dead ass flat chunk 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:27.200 of land that comprises like the western half of the 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:29.760 Texas Panhandle. And I was reading earlier, I make it 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:31.920 so curious about this place because it's just flat. I 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:36.440 want to read what real quick when Coronado, you know, 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:40.360 the Conquisador, Well, Coronado came through here and wrote about this. 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:45.240 He was the first European, first white guy passed through. 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:49.199 He says, uh, I reached some planes so vast that 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:52.040 I did not find their limit anywhere I went, although 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:55.480 I traveled over them for more than three leagues, with 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:58.160 no more landmarks than if we had been swallowed up 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:01.000 by the sea. There was not a stone, nor a 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:04.280 bit of rising ground, nor a tree nor a shrub 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:08.560 there anything to go by. That's like, this place is flat. 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:11.480 This makes my first wife look chesty. Yeah, that was 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.720 a good one. This place is flat. But earlier I 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:16.080 was reading it's that I don't know you guys might 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:21.440 know this. It's pitched across this whole plane. It gains 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:24.440 about two thousand feet of elevation ten ft per mile. 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:29.240 It's pitched the southwest. No, the northwest corner is higher 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:36.440 than the southeast corner. This whole plateau got cocked on 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:39.720 its side a little bit. So the whole time you 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:41.880 think it's everything's flat, you're on a you're at a 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:44.400 cock eyed angle. You're on like something that Ronnie bab built. 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:50.960 Speaking of which we're joined speed Works, joined um by 0:01:51.520 --> 0:02:00.160 ron bain Um, very long term friend of mine. Uh well, well, uh, 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:04.800 sorry about that. We're trying to we're getting close onto 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:06.680 the holiday seasons. We're trying to make rum and egg 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:08.760 nog and a bunch of crane meat. A bunch of 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:12.840 crane meat just fell out of the freezer. Also by 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:17.120 Janice who tell us who works on the Mediator TV 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:28.000 show crew. And Mike Panasi Hernasi there you Italian born 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:31.920 and raised in Maine. He's now a Texan PhD candidate 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:39.160 studies coyotes, studying coyotes. Right, Yeah, he's killed killed one. 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:42.200 So he killed one. Can I tell why he killed it? Yeah, 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:44.440 that's fine. He killed one just he was trying to 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:47.960 tranquilize and he odeed it. It was in very poor conditions, 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:51.520 so it was already made. And can I tell the 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:55.720 thing he just revealed to us? Probably come on, tell 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.560 us a little bit. It's out the thing. I mean, 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:00.720 we've talked about a few things, nothing to do with 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:04.639 your wife anything. What you were telling us about memory glands. 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:09.919 I don't think people would be interested. I think if 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:12.519 you don't want to tell, and I'll tell unless you 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:14.200 don't want me to tell. Well, I just gave my 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:16.799 opinion that I think it's some dependon told something you did, 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:21.919 so I read about it all right, son, he did 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:24.480 something that's the most interesting thing that you will here 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:26.679 all week, but he won't share it what mikel was 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:29.440 born and raised in Maine. I was born in Connecticut, 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:33.640 moved to moved a couple of places, but raised in 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:35.480 Maine when I moved to Maine when I was really young. 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:38.320 Formative years in Maine. So pretty much you grew up 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:43.720 Hunt Devision in Maine. Yeah, so, Mike, Uh, then you 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:46.960 then you where'd you go? Graduated? Where'd you go to 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:50.440 regular college? Graduated high school through May in Maine, went 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:54.000 to Yukon. So I was there for four years, did 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:56.720 some odd jobs and ends, did some field jobs here 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:59.880 and there. Uh, went back to Connecticut to you know, 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:02.440 earned cash. And then in the middle of each of them, 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:06.240 what's your study in regular college? Uh, ecology and evolutionary 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:09.800 biology at Yukon. Yeah, I took the biology track instead 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:13.240 of the wildlife track. Yeah, and then came out to 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:16.640 do a master's degree, did some field jobs, worked worked 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:21.600 in the fields for five years. Um, then started my 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:25.120 master's at Texas Tech. Finished it, decided to stay on it. 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:29.680 That was on kind of genetics as well, but more 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:33.440 of a lab based study looking at how well DNA 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:39.039 sampled not invasively. Yeah, okay, So, um, there's kind of 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:40.960 been a transition. You know, generally, when you do a 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:44.160 genetic study, you kill the animal and take a tissue 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:47.240 sample and then you analyze that. Well, you know, you 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:50.839 can't kill an animal if it's an endangered species or uh, 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:53.320 and really you know, people are less interested in killing 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:55.200 animals if you don't have to. So there's been a 0:04:55.200 --> 0:05:00.240 transition to UM sampling not invasively, so hair samples where 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:02.400 that you catch the animal, take you know, pull some 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:03.880 hair int of it and let it go. You can 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:07.600 also get DNA from their scat or their ship. Basically, 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:10.360 So what happens is there, it's like you tissue from 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:15.120 the abdominal it is so when the right right, it's 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:19.479 it's it's the cells from the hope you know, from 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:24.520 the from the animal that as the as the food 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:30.440 passes through it, uh, it collects intestinal epithelial cells, is 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:32.800 what they are. And it collects on the outside of 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:35.160 this of the fecal sample. And so you pick up 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:38.480 that fecal sample and you swab the outside and you 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:43.520 get a mix of bacterial samples or bacterial bacterial DNA 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:47.560 and then DNA from the animal, and so you will specialize. Well, yeah, 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:49.360 you get that too. So what if you cannibalize the 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:50.880 other kyle, would you be able to figure out what 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.080 DNA was from the cow that got cannibalized or the 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:56.080 cow that was taking the ship. That actually would be 0:05:56.320 --> 0:06:02.960 more challenging. But fortunately katies don't generally cannibalize each other. Now, um, 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:05.960 you know, I found a coyote ship one time where 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:09.239 he had shoot out an entire fond soof you actually, 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:11.640 I've seen that a lot teeth and hoofs for some 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:14.320 well obviously for teeth. I mean, they don't get digestics. Well, 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:15.960 now now you're trying to do the one ups and 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:20.280 ship game. Oh, that's fine. And I found a bear 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.600 one time that shot out of bear cloth. One up 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:27.960 that see, so he's pruning his teeth, cleaning his teeth, 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:31.520 and he saw it. That's not that's found robbing nest. 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:38.080 Shot of Robbing's nest. So, Mike, and then you did 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:41.240 that work and now you're doing work on kyote genetics 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:45.560 as well, but completely different questions. So now landscape genetics, 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:49.279 So looking at the relating this among coyotes um across 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:51.960 a large geographic area. You know, everybody thinks every you know, 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:55.120 coyotes are very adaptable. They can live in you know, 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:59.120 almost any habitat, you know, from city to a desert 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:03.320 to motley this to you know, swamp land almost and 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:06.920 so is there any differentiation among these? Are just any 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.640 coyote can they just as easily move from one habitat 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:12.400 to another? And so my question is, you know, are 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:18.760 they are they genetically differentiated based upon well, not only habitat, 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:21.440 that's the main question, but is there anything else? You know, temperature, 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:24.480 or and you know, most people would think all kyote 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:28.000 is being such a generalist species. No, but there's been 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:30.600 some recent work out of California that actually suggests that 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.440 there is. And so I'm trying to kind of second 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:35.400 that to see if it's just kind of an anomaly 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:38.640 or if it can be verified. Again, like you were 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:42.120 saying to me that if a Kyle leaves you know, 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:44.320 also my calls the kyotes, which is proper, but I 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:47.040 find that anyone who has killed them, well I killed, 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:53.080 it's still killing one. Um. That's like, if a Kyle 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:56.400 leaves the mountains, is he likely to just go settle 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:59.920 into some mountains somewhere. Well, that's the that's the hypothesis 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:03.520 based on the workout of California because the natal habitat 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:08.040 biased dispersal hypothesis pretty original, right, Yeah, natal have that bias. 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:13.720 So if you're you know, fuck you Rod, all right, 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.560 we can started talking about the strip clubs, run away up, 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:28.360 talk you We're not We're here. We're actually here to 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:30.840 talk about coles. Were talking about cranes and I'm gonna 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:32.560 tie this. I thought I was getting a little long 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:35.959 into two. No, listen, I'm gonna do some wonderful. You 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:37.960 don't believe how good of a host I am because 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:42.240 lot taw I do this transition. Um, check it out, 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:48.760 wait for it. That's great about those coyotes. And it 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:53.200 just so happens that Mike that I met Mike through 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:56.360 our other guests here today at our nett say hello, 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:00.240 how do you at Ore? That's a biologist, you know 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:07.400 Roosevelt Conservation Partnership. I met Mike through Ed, who met Mike, 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:14.600 Mike's professor, and I here to hunt cranes. We're here 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:18.120 to hunt cranes and um, and I want to talk 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:22.760 about cranes. And I know, like my friend Ed, this 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:25.000 is getting are you back? Are you waking up? I'm 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:26.400 trying to get through the sofa. I'll try to do 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:31.240 this in the most efficient way possible. Through my friendship 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:35.080 with Ed, I was invited out to a crane hunt, 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:39.400 a Sandhill crane hunt, and I until a couple of 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:41.160 years ago, I didn't know you could even hunt cranes, 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:43.160 like most people in America don't know you can hunt cranes. 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:44.800 I put a thing up on Twitter I was going 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:48.679 crane hunting. All I got was people saying, like, I 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:50.599 didn't think you could do that. What do you do 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:53.480 with them? Can you eat them? Is it legal? One 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:56.880 guy said, I know that Oklahoma sells crane hunting licenses, 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.320 but I didn't know you could actually hunt them, which 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:01.280 is like a we trick that they must play on 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:04.400 you in some states. And so we had to plan 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:08.480 and do a crane on and um, we're down here now, 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:10.520 and most people who see sand hill cranes see like 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:12.920 a couple of Saint hill cranes. I remember the first 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:15.000 time I ever saw sandhill crane was in Michigan Upper 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:17.880 Peninsula and it was out in the field and we 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:22.160 stopped and asked permission from a lady to see if 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:24.120 we can walk back in her field to look at 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:27.800 the cranes. Um, they're just not around, but here they're 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:32.120 down here in massive numbers, five thousand ten. You might 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:37.079 see in one or two. Yeah, yeah, I mean like yeah, 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:40.240 in a group. And they're so good that the the 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.160 lingo the joke is like people called rear buying the sky. 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:47.439 So we're talking about a very unusual no yeah, so 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:50.840 good eating it. Only eight states have a crane season. 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:53.319 I used to live in Montana and you had to 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:57.840 uh put into application and draw a tag to hunt 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:01.000 a crane. It's crazy. Yeah, just like drawn the elk 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:03.960 tech could apply for a crane tech. We get three day, 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:09.000 three day for like two and well, let's see the 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.520 middle of November to first week of February. I think 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:14.520 it's the second Saturday of February, so it can go 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:19.679 to the eighth generous season. Very generous and invited me 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:22.040 down hunt craze and then he was kind of like, 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:23.600 I want you to come out craze, but you also 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:25.960 got to kind of understand it's not totally my deal. 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:29.640 Like I'm this ed speaking, I'm sort of the guests 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:33.000 of these dudes. What are these dudes being Mike who 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:36.280 do all the work and Mike pounds. I'm hesitant even 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:38.800 say what town Rid because you're on the gold here 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.840 and I think you're gonna get swamped. We are. We've started, 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:45.400 I mean this area. I've noticed a huge difference in 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:47.439 the last couple of years. Yeah, I've been here for 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:49.199 a little while because I did my masters and I'm 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:54.319 doing finishing my PhD. And the first four years or so, 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.400 very little competition. And when I say competition, I'm talking 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:01.599 about from other you know, just recreational hunters and and 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:05.600 other outfitters. Three years ago or so, we started getting 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:09.760 you know, bumping up against outfitters other outfitters. But no, no, no, no, 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:14.360 I mean other meanings different, like you know, not just one, 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:18.679 but several different um. And it's gotten progressively worse. So 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:22.319 last year, after Thanksgiving, which for some reason it seems 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:24.959 like people focus on geese or something before that, for 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:30.040 whatever reason, mid late December till the rest of the season, 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:35.240 the outfitters are just on the cranes. And so I'm 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:37.920 not willing to pay money for one, uh, you know, 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:40.480 just out one out of principle, and two I can't 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:46.280 afford it. Um. But they're just they're just always out there, 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:49.760 especially where uh in this in the meadow area. Yeah, 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:53.520 I mean that's fine, I'll say it out there. Yeah yeah, 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:56.120 But I just want to really quick, like checks out 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.280 really quick explain. Cran crana is similar to goose hut 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:01.640 in the field. I mean, you're out there, you're going 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:04.760 to the feeld, you putting up decoys. The birds roost 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:06.839 on water at night, but instead of floating on the water, 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:08.960 they stay in the water shellow. They're wrong here. They 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:12.720 have these shallow leg's called applies gets daylight out. All 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:14.760 of a sudden, the sky starts filling up with birds. 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:16.920 You're out in the field on food. They're trying to 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:20.400 hit crop land. You have decoys out, you pit blind, 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:23.520 laying down, hiding whatever you do in layout blinds and 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:26.719 they come in information if everything goes right in your 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:31.480 bamy maham about three a day. And there way better 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:35.560 than geese to eat table fair. It's a way better bird. 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:40.440 And in your time here you've killed hundreds of them personally, 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:43.839 I have, I mean I haven't. I had a lot. 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:46.240 And how big is your stable of landowners you're allowed 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:49.120 to hold on? I put a lot of work into it. 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:52.240 I mean he has a speel, but I don't want 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:53.720 you to talk about it because people are gonna steal 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:57.520 your tilt that it's you know, it's it's something that 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:00.520 works at a very high success rate. You know, he's pulling. 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:03.920 This is a door, classic banging on the door. He's pulling. 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:06.600 I'm very rarely sorry. He don't bring that door. Yeah, 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:10.360 it's it's too time consuming, it's not it's not efficient enough. Yeah, 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:12.679 he's got a speel. He gives over the phone. He was. 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:16.319 Now I'm not on Facebook at all. He was run 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:24.120 over success over it. I would say it's over ninety percent, 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:27.480 but just to be conservative, and I'll say, but you know, 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:29.960 it helps that they don't like the crane. Yeah, I 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:32.360 would have thought that people to like the cranes or well, 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:38.160 let's say the landowners the farmers to farmers don't well, 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:43.040 and I'm generalizing, and I hate to generalize. Okay, so 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:46.240 a good chunk of them don't care for the cranes. 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:50.800 Another good chunk really like, you know, they they're still 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:53.600 they consider themselves still a part of the land and 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:56.360 hunting is very acceptable. So that certainly helps. So even 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:59.400 if they love the cranes, they're okay to crane hunting 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:02.400 because there's a you know, there's a sustainable population. We 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:04.960 had a conversation we were out getting the permission. I 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:07.800 was with you when you scored a permission and this 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.520 was actually like started out started out the phone call, 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:12.720 and that was I wanted to be to send a 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:14.720 dairy queen. Right. Normally they don't want to do that, 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:16.240 but that was cool that I got to meet him. 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:19.320 You know, usually I don't want to waste your time. Yeah, personally, 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:23.280 drives us around twelve miles and clearly he was busy too. 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:25.880 They were fixing a combine and he took the time 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:30.000 twelve miles to show us his fields and explain his 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:33.600 property boundaries. Then at some point says, well, what said 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.320 this for me? I said to him, what do you 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:40.000 need to be in it for you? And he was 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:42.400 so uncommitted to the idea of getting money that he 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:46.160 did that was cool, talked himself out of it. He said, well, 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:49.920 you know what, God lets me be a farmer and 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.880 I should share this lamb with people. We're just touching, 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:57.360 and he said like basically said you have my home 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:01.160 is yours. If you screw me, I will screw you, 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:04.720 you know, and he left. You know the way we 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:06.200 would screw him. All you want to know is when 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:07.800 we're gonna be at that. When are you in my fields? 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:10.440 That's it. If you ever go in my fields without 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:12.440 telling me you're in my fields. And he's got a 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:14.080 cell phone, all I gotta do is text him and 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:15.960 be like hey, and I did. We went out there 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:18.600 the next morning. I texted him when we were setting up. 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:21.400 I said, you know we're setting up. You know. The 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:23.720 last thing he said to us was when we left, 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:26.240 you said, can I text you? He said, don't expect 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:28.520 me to text back? Yea, but he did. You know 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:31.640 what's funny. You know what's funny, he responded, and I 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:32.960 was like, well, you know, I don't know if I 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:35.640 should respond or not. And I remember him saying, we'll 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:37.760 have a text friend. Yeah. Well, and I didn't want 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:39.960 him to think, well, I'll respond, so now he's gotta 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.080 because I don't like the text so I didn't. You know, 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:45.320 sometimes I feel like I don't want to respond, but 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:48.800 I feel like you got a boyfriend kind of nobody 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:52.760 likes a texting conversation. So he responded. I told him 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:54.360 how we did that morning. I said, we killed this man, 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:59.760 and he responded, so it was day two, we killed eight. 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:03.560 That a good day, I said, actually, But I texted 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.280 him right before we started to pack up, which is 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:07.800 right before I got back to you guys, and I 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:09.920 find out that you guys actually killed one more. So 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:12.920 I killed him. I told him we killed seven. He 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:15.920 texted back, well, it's better than six, which is cool, 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:17.720 I mean, you know, and I was like, well, should 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:20.439 I respond, you know, and I didn't. I didn't respond 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:22.840 because you know, he said to me, don't expect a response, 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:25.119 So I was like, you know, I'm not gonna respond. 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:31.840 You know, he's home right now checking. I tend to 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:34.159 overthink things, which you guys probably know from the decoy 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:37.240 set ups, right, and we don't know what to do, 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:44.080 don't I don't think that, um Field. I don't think 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:46.840 you could really overthink it, because that just means you're 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:52.240 getting I think like when you're overthinking waterfowl hoodie, you're 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:54.600 probably thinking about if there's ten things in your head, 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:57.000 nine of them don't matter, one of them does, but 0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:00.360 you don't know which one. So you gotta do all 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:04.320 ten right, because how could you ever know which one 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:07.480 is the one that matters. Is it like that you 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:10.320 have a yellow hoodie on the hoods pokeingon a little bit? 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:15.480 Is it the wind? Yeah? Yeah? Whatever? Is it fresh dirt? 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:18.399 Is it that you got X shot and you should 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:24.080 be using Y shot? So first day we went out, 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:28.119 it was a very good day that day. But I 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:30.040 want I want to I want to I want to 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:31.479 get that by one top I s el because it's 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:33.840 really sets I think this kind of sets the scene 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:36.640 here a little bit. We killed a crane this will 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:41.159 kind of explained cranes we killed the crane's banded. First off, 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:43.240 talk about how many Mike about how many crazy killed? 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:45.160 How do you have bands out of So I've killed 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:47.520 a lot of crans myself, but I also enjoyed taking 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:50.160 people hunting, and I especially enjoyed taking people hunting who 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:53.040 haven't hunter before. So you can imagine I take a 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:55.520 lot of people hunting and it's not you know, I say, I. 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:58.280 It's me and a couple of the guys that generally 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:00.480 take people, although I'm the one pushing to take newbies 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:03.240 because nobody else has the patients that I do. Um 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:07.800 generally speaking, again, if we didn't have generalizations, we would 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:10.000 never get anything. You just would be able to talk 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:12.560 about anything, and everything would be like a constant qualification. 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:18.560 That's wrong. So so, uh, you know, a couple of 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:21.920 my friends have uh a killboard and they keep track 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:24.440 of everything, everything they kill for the year. I don't 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:28.000 like that, no, but you know it does. There are 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:29.680 good points and bad points. But anyway to get to 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:33.359 the point, what do you think about that? Hmm? It's 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:35.680 like Boone and Crockett, you know, not really into the 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:37.879 fact that like dudes are always scoring their stuff all 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:40.320 the time, and always talking about numbers this, numbers that. 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:44.359 But when you look back across records of all those numbers, 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:47.520 those are valuable information. I'm gonna tell you why I 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:50.720 do it. What happens when you get your Sandiel crane 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:53.680 survey or your waterfowl survey from the Fish and Wilife Service. 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:56.480 You want to guess, Yeah, but those are so broad, 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:06.080 but you know they're general. Yeah, But I mean, I 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:08.520 keep dragging numbers just so I know whether I'm within 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:12.800 a My other day, I started making a list. That's right. 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:15.600 I was with you. You told me how many species 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:22.520 of fowl, of game birds general hunted killed, and I said, 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:25.040 I'm gonna do that too. And I had just that 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:27.200 day killed my first day in hill crazy forgot his 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:31.680 first crane. I couldn't put it up dirty dirty, It 0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:34.280 felt dirty. It felt like we sat down and trying 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:36.040 to make a list of every girlfriend you ever had 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:39.080 or something. But it's not that. So I started making 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:42.480 a list, and I felt dirtier and dirtier and dirtier 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:45.040 the more I wrote. Now, not a conquered board, though 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:47.679 I mean I respect the things I killed. It's more 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:51.600 of a experience board, not a conquerboard. Kill board. You 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:54.360 called it, Yeah, well they did that sounds real Pentagon. 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:56.560 Well come on, we're not going to use a cliche 0:20:56.880 --> 0:20:59.760 kill Yeah, like you harvest. I'm not lying. I know, 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:02.160 I know what killing is. It's killing it is. It is, Yeah, 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:04.280 like why harvest to do? But the reason why I 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:07.040 like it is because it's more of a ratio thing 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:10.080 species to species, Like, oh man, we killed that many 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:13.600 Widgeons this year compared to last year, versus Gadwall versus teal. 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:16.679 And that's what that's why I like. It's a relative 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:18.000 you know, it's a relative thing. I used to keep 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:20.280 a hunt journal, so you did it too. I got Yeah, 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:22.320 I kept the hut journal, and I got lazy and 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:24.040 quit doing it. And when I look back, I can't 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:28.120 believe I ever quit it. So why do you say 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:31.960 it's you feel dirty calling it a killboard. A hunt 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:34.159 journals different because here's the thing. A hunt journal is 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:37.000 a day by day deal. It's not like you making 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:42.160 this catalog this Noah's Ark collection, only the kills. Yeah, 0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:48.920 it's like that's like yeah, and has more heart. But 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:51.480 but I don't want to get away from what was 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:56.960 I even talking about we're how many change? Okay, always crazy? 0:21:56.960 --> 0:21:58.800 You see how many dead craze a pass through your 0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:00.679 hands in your time here text with all the all 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:04.520 counting all the people that we take so basically over 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:10.440 our decoys, okay, whether it was me, your friends, and 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:12.520 we actually tallied this up last year, and so of 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:15.360 course it's gonna be higher this year. It was one 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:18.720 thousand plus, all legal. Of course, let me say that 0:22:19.560 --> 0:22:25.720 all legalus, Well, you know, probably a thousand plus. No, 0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:32.520 that's you and your uncud all that and over how 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:35.920 many years? Well, first, hold on how many years I've 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:39.840 been here? I've been in Lovick, So did having a 0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:41.840 lot of fun with my master's degree? Took some time, 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:44.239