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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to the Meter podcast. This is the second

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Speaker 1: installment or episode we're doing from the Texas Panhandle. Um,

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Speaker 1: we're on the Yano Esticado or state planes and we're

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Speaker 1: actually this place called Ransom Canyon. Now these steak plays

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Speaker 1: is the weird things. It's just dead ass flat chunk

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Speaker 1: of land that comprises like the western half of the

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Speaker 1: Texas Panhandle. And I was reading earlier, I make it

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Speaker 1: so curious about this place because it's just flat. I

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Speaker 1: want to read what real quick when Coronado, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Conquisador, Well, Coronado came through here and wrote about this.

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Speaker 1: He was the first European, first white guy passed through.

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Speaker 1: He says, uh, I reached some planes so vast that

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Speaker 1: I did not find their limit anywhere I went, although

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Speaker 1: I traveled over them for more than three leagues, with

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Speaker 1: no more landmarks than if we had been swallowed up

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Speaker 1: by the sea. There was not a stone, nor a

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Speaker 1: there anything to go by. That's like, this place is flat.

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Speaker 1: This makes my first wife look chesty. Yeah, that was

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Speaker 1: a good one. This place is flat. But earlier I

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Speaker 1: was reading it's that I don't know you guys might

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Speaker 1: know this. It's pitched across this whole plane. It gains

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Speaker 1: about two thousand feet of elevation ten ft per mile.

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Speaker 1: It's pitched the southwest. No, the northwest corner is higher

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Speaker 1: than the southeast corner. This whole plateau got cocked on

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Speaker 1: its side a little bit. So the whole time you

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Speaker 1: think it's everything's flat, you're on a you're at a

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Speaker 1: cock eyed angle. You're on like something that Ronnie bab built.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of which we're joined speed Works, joined um by

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Speaker 1: ron bain Um, very long term friend of mine. Uh well, well, uh,

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Speaker 1: sorry about that. We're trying to we're getting close onto

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Speaker 1: the holiday seasons. We're trying to make rum and egg

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Speaker 1: nog and a bunch of crane meat. A bunch of

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Speaker 1: crane meat just fell out of the freezer. Also by

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Speaker 1: Janice who tell us who works on the Mediator TV

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Speaker 1: show crew. And Mike Panasi Hernasi there you Italian born

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Speaker 1: and raised in Maine. He's now a Texan PhD candidate

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Speaker 1: studies coyotes, studying coyotes. Right, Yeah, he's killed killed one.

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Speaker 1: So he killed one. Can I tell why he killed it? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's fine. He killed one just he was trying to

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Speaker 1: tranquilize and he odeed it. It was in very poor conditions,

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Speaker 1: so it was already made. And can I tell the

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Speaker 1: thing he just revealed to us? Probably come on, tell

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Speaker 1: us a little bit. It's out the thing. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we've talked about a few things, nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: your wife anything. What you were telling us about memory glands.

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Speaker 1: I don't think people would be interested. I think if

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Speaker 1: you don't want to tell, and I'll tell unless you

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Speaker 1: don't want me to tell. Well, I just gave my

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Speaker 1: opinion that I think it's some dependon told something you did,

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Speaker 1: so I read about it all right, son, he did

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Speaker 1: something that's the most interesting thing that you will here

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Speaker 1: all week, but he won't share it what mikel was

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Speaker 1: born and raised in Maine. I was born in Connecticut,

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Speaker 1: moved to moved a couple of places, but raised in

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Speaker 1: Maine when I moved to Maine when I was really young.

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Speaker 1: Formative years in Maine. So pretty much you grew up

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Speaker 1: Hunt Devision in Maine. Yeah, so, Mike, Uh, then you

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Speaker 1: then you where'd you go? Graduated? Where'd you go to

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Speaker 1: regular college? Graduated high school through May in Maine, went

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Speaker 1: to Yukon. So I was there for four years, did

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Speaker 1: and there. Uh, went back to Connecticut to you know,

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Speaker 1: what's your study in regular college? Uh, ecology and evolutionary

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Speaker 1: biology at Yukon. Yeah, I took the biology track instead

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Speaker 1: That was on kind of genetics as well, but more

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Speaker 1: of a lab based study looking at how well DNA

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Speaker 1: been a transition. You know, generally, when you do a

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Speaker 1: you get that too. So what if you cannibalize the

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Speaker 1: other kyle, would you be able to figure out what

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Speaker 1: more challenging. But fortunately katies don't generally cannibalize each other. Now, um,

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Speaker 1: and he saw it. That's not that's found robbing nest.

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Speaker 1: Shot of Robbing's nest. So, Mike, and then you did

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Speaker 1: that work and now you're doing work on kyote genetics

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Speaker 1: as well, but completely different questions. So now landscape genetics,

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Speaker 1: So looking at the relating this among coyotes um across

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Speaker 1: coyotes are very adaptable. They can live in you know,

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Speaker 1: so is there any differentiation among these? Are just any

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Speaker 1: or if it can be verified. Again, like you were

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Speaker 1: into some mountains somewhere. Well, that's the that's the hypothesis

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Speaker 1: So if you're you know, fuck you Rod, all right,

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Speaker 1: we can started talking about the strip clubs, run away up,

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Speaker 1: talk you We're not We're here. We're actually here to

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Speaker 1: talk about coles. Were talking about cranes and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: into two. No, listen, I'm gonna do some wonderful. You

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Speaker 1: lot taw I do this transition. Um, check it out,

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Speaker 1: wait for it. That's great about those coyotes. And it

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Speaker 1: just so happens that Mike that I met Mike through

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Speaker 1: our other guests here today at our nett say hello,

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Speaker 1: how do you at Ore? That's a biologist, you know

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Speaker 1: Roosevelt Conservation Partnership. I met Mike through Ed, who met Mike,

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Speaker 1: Mike's professor, and I here to hunt cranes. We're here

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Speaker 1: to hunt cranes and um, and I want to talk

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Speaker 1: this in the most efficient way possible. Through my friendship

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Speaker 1: with Ed, I was invited out to a crane hunt,

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Speaker 1: a Sandhill crane hunt, and I until a couple of

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Speaker 1: like most people in America don't know you can hunt cranes.

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Speaker 1: I put a thing up on Twitter I was going

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Speaker 1: good eating it. Only eight states have a crane season.

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Speaker 1: I want you to come out craze, but you also

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Speaker 1: got to kind of understand it's not totally my deal.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm this ed speaking, I'm sort of the guests

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Speaker 1: of these dudes. What are these dudes being Mike who

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Speaker 1: do all the work and Mike pounds. I'm hesitant even

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Speaker 1: say what town Rid because you're on the gold here

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Speaker 1: and I think you're gonna get swamped. We are. We've started,

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Speaker 1: those kinds of things. So when I was when I

422
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 1: banded some cranes in Oregon, it was part of a

423
00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: net nest success study, and from my putting bands on

424
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 1: those animals, we would you know, if they were killed

425
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 1: in another part of the country, we'd know, you know,

426
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 1: what their migratory pat Yeah. So, like the only way

427
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: you're ever going to get any information is someone shoots

428
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: or finds the bird he found it. What's that No

429
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: one picks up road kill. So it's from Hume. You'd

430
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 1: be surprised how many people do museum. She did ask

431
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 1: what happened to it? And also I thought that was

432
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: a naive question, But I didn't happen a naive question

433
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: because we could have found it. Yeah, it could have

434
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: been hit by winter and hit by a truck. But

435
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 1: you get a lot of good demographic data once that

436
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: band is returned in where it was from where it

437
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 1: was banded to words it's uh, it's found or killed

438
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 1: or whatever. Um, you get information about how old it is,

439
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: all kinds of demographic information. So there's anything like real silled,

440
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: well what do you guess? You guess, can't have a

441
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: setting conversation. So there's anything like there's this thing that

442
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: a bolgy too called market recapture. We'll say you want

443
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 1: to do it lake going to a lake and net

444
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: uh hundred bass out of the lake and you put

445
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: a tag in each of those bass, and then a

446
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: week later or and then then you on this tag.

447
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 1: It says like if you catch this bass called blank number,

448
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 1: and a week later ninety guys have called with bass,

449
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 1: you put a tag and you'd be like, wow, man,

450
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 1: there aren't many bass in that lake. And the ones

451
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: that are all get caught. Or you're going to tag

452
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: a hunter bass in a lake and ten years ago

453
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: by and no one ever turns into tag, you'd be like, man,

454
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 1: there's a lot of bass in that lake and the

455
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: amount of people catching these there's not many people catching

456
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: the bass, like you know, there's a hundred of them

457
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: and whatever tournament. So with ducks, remember sometimes it's it's

458
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 1: surprisingly high the number of these bands get returned, but

459
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: the percentage, yeah, I can't. I'd have to call brand,

460
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: but I was. I was kind of surprised, like how many,

461
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: like how good people are about calling him? And there's

462
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: some guys I don't want to day their names, but

463
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: some of our friends and friends of mine who have

464
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: a thing where they won't call in their bands and

465
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: these are hides so they have strings. Why well, because

466
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: they feel that it's like, um, did it, did it? Did?

467
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: It's their little secret that it's like it's unreported, so

468
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: therefore it's more there's than someone else's. And they have

469
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 1: because their guides, so they have just their call landards

470
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: or it's graped with bands that they brag about. The

471
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: big American jewelry type band is like it looks like

472
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: a wedding ring with a big, thick wedding ring with

473
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: the biologists. These guys, well, I would almost like to

474
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: get these guys names because they're huge numbskulls. When I

475
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: started duck hunting in Michigan the first time, I huna,

476
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: would you know, back in Twin Lake, I heard guys

477
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: say that if you call it in, you got to

478
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: send it in. They thought that you had to give

479
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: it up, and they thought it was such a neat

480
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: token that they were afraid to call it in. Like, no,

481
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: if you do that, they're gonna take it because they

482
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: need But you've heard that years ago, Yes, years ago.

483
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: I was about to say that whoever the FEDS official

484
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: widelines ever, did a really good job at making it

485
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: h you know, such a trophy to call it in

486
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: and figure it out. But maybe you know, I'd never

487
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: heard that that people actually think it keeping guys. So

488
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: the only guys I know these guys are big snow

489
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: goose guys. And so they like to just you know,

490
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: you know, their eyes trying to find ways. And yeah,

491
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into you know, the reason.

492
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say this. This bird had a

493
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: double band and the reason but we don't need induced

494
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: the fact that this bird had a band. Oh yeah, yeah,

495
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: well I thought we did. You said a thousand crates

496
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 1: of past new Mike's hands or you see the thousand die. Yeah,

497
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: we just got one. We just got the second one

498
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: this week with the band on it. They had what

499
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: I'd called a double band. So one band is the

500
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: wedding ring band, the other band is a wedding band

501
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: being the metal band, typical metal band. The other band

502
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: is this big chunk of plastic on there with with

503
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: big number so that someone would be able to read

504
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: that with a pair of binoculars or a spotting scope

505
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 1: would be able to pull that number off visually with

506
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: all having to kill the thing to get the information

507
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: from it. We call the eight hunter number. I mean,

508
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: like the craze barret. I mean he's still warm from

509
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: the sand. He calls the eight hunter number on the

510
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: band from the field that we shot at, and we

511
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: got the nicest girl in the whole world to take

512
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: care of us. I think it was Tammy, super nice Gale,

513
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: and she sounded hot and sarcastically because we were all

514
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: arguing who shot this bird, because we we went round

515
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: table around him, but you know the bird. I said, well, no,

516
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: we put that one, and he goes, well, we know,

517
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: I put that one in the grass. And then we

518
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: got We're on the phone with Tammy and I was

519
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: just being a smartass as usual, and I said, could

520
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: we get four certificates for this? She goes, as a

521
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: matter of fact, we will allow up to four certificates

522
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: for a till a lot of guys getting fights over. Yeah,

523
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: because like Mike said, it's a trophy. You know, they

524
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: couldn't have done that ten years or twenty years ago.

525
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: They probably like no one. I have like a medicine box.

526
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: It's like a medicine bag, but I put it keep

527
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: in the box. It's like just stuff I have, And

528
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: I got a couple of waterfowl bands in there. It's

529
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: just like, really, you think, like I said, they marketed it. Well,

530
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: so we call up and she can't give us full information.

531
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: But when you get a band and you call in

532
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: a band, what they'll event you do is I'll tell you,

533
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: uh where it was banded, which they told us immediately

534
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: when it was banned, which they told us who based

535
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: who banded it. This is when you you'll eventually get

536
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: all this information like when was the bird banded? Um,

537
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: where who made it? And how old was it when

538
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: it was banded or at least certainly not a chick

539
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: versus a Yeah, not the true age. But so this

540
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: crane that we killed, the double bander, we called in

541
00:29:54,840 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: and were immediately told that this crane was abandoned years

542
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: ago in Fairbanks, Alaska as an adult. We did not

543
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: learn that yet. The other one you had was what

544
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: eleven and once I got the certificate back, it was

545
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: banded as an adult. So it was several old years old,

546
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: you know, yes, it was twelve plus. It banned in

547
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: Nebraska Flat River. Most game birds like it like takes

548
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: out like a like it takes out like a peasant.

549
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: A three year old peasant is old. Yeah, it's old.

550
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: When you get birds come out like most game birds.

551
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: Every year of the birds that that that fledg So

552
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: of the birds that successfully leave the nest, well first

553
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: off about sets are destroyed. This is a very just

554
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: like the Night of They don't help. They don't help

555
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: at all, you know, like roughly like let's say it's variable,

556
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: but nest are destroyed. Of the birds that reach something

557
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: like six months of age or something. Firs that leave

558
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: the nest, maybe like seventy will be dead within the

559
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: year of those ones that have lived seventy will be

560
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: dead next year. I mean this varies all through the thing,

561
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: but you wind up realizing that when you go hunting pheasants,

562
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: you're shooting a lot of birds that were born that year.

563
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: You're shooting something that were born the year before. And

564
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: then it almost becomes rare downline, like when you shoot

565
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: a big turkey a big spur. If you shoot a

566
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: turkey the big long itch, plush, sharp spur, he's three.

567
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: You can shoot a hell lot of turkeys and not

568
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: see that spur. Right, you know something that these things

569
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: are just oldest dirt. Yes, I felt like ship. We

570
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: found a whole that bird was. Do you know the

571
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: oldest ones? You want to tell it? I found it too.

572
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: I looked it up. I found it too, just just

573
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: since we killed close one night. I guess so the

574
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: oldest sandhill crane known on record, So that means at

575
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: least probably no, I uh it was, I think it was.

576
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: It was banded. Okay, that's what I saw. Thirty six

577
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: years seven months. That's how old Custer was banded in

578
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: Wyoming in ninety three and founded the message six years

579
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: seven months. No wonder why it's so hard to hunt.

580
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: So this was a young bird. I mean it was

581
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: a young bird. You shot with the yoke. They don't

582
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: like that's how how do they guys get before to

583
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: start breeding? I'm a quick uh so some some birds

584
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: will breed their second year. Some don't breed until seven

585
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: years old. That's like, you know, talk about talk about

586
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: a case selected species. Know a lot of people in

587
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: eat wild game eat their eyes talking about how wild

588
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: game eat tastes gaming and older animals get game, Like,

589
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: remember the hell the word game means that that's the

590
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,959
Speaker 1: wholeder conversation. As an animal get it's older, it's muscles

591
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: are more exercise, which would with cattle. Yeah yeah, But

592
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: what the point I'm gonna make is people who just

593
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: eat meat from stores and restaurants seldom are eating animals.

594
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: They're never eating animals more than two years old unless

595
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: they eat because then you know, you get Yeah. But

596
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,479
Speaker 1: they used to used to take seven years to run

597
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: a dairy cow. They can run a dairy cole through

598
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: wayfaster that they milk the guts out of dairy cot

599
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: a couple of years. Now they're running through all her

600
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: cycles that fast, get all every drop of milk. They

601
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: would have gotten out of her in seven years. They

602
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: get out of her animal in three years. You don't

603
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: eat many old animals, chickens, those things are a few

604
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: months old when you're eating six months for a meat chicken.

605
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: And here you are we just tonight we're eating some

606
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: bird this old. I killed a beardle seventeen years old.

607
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: One time. I felt bad about that because I wasn't

608
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I was older than that at the time.

609
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: I wasn't held out, you know, I felt bad. I

610
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: don't know why. I just it just like it bothers

611
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: me a little bit. But at the same time, it's

612
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: like you're also going, okay, there must not be a

613
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: huge amount of predation on them and a huge amount

614
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: of hunter mortality because they wouldn't be all living that long, right,

615
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: and one more point to make it, they're gonna be

616
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: done talking about it. And you guys talk about stuff

617
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: when when you look at why elk, like why elk

618
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,959
Speaker 1: gets so hard to kill on public land whatever? Because

619
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: I used to saying like, oh yeah, you got a

620
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 1: cow elk she's nine years old. She's spent nine years

621
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: watching hunters try to kill him, you know, and they

622
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: don't forget everything right, and so they have like this

623
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: herd has this sort of institutional knowledge. You got a

624
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: bunch of cows. Lead cows are old and they've just

625
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: seen all this happen a bunch of times before, you know,

626
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: and they know, like they know a fake cow call

627
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: and they know to go their direction. And now here

628
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: you are trying to fool some birds with excellent eyesight,

629
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 1: and you've got some of these dudes flat around. They've

630
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: been doing this, they've been playing this game twenty years.

631
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: And you wonder, like why they keep flaring, why they

632
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: keep flaring? Is it because of this? It's because of that.

633
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: It's like you got you got a dozen birds flying

634
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: across the sky. How many years of group experience or

635
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: that dozen birds. It is very similar to catching a tarpon.

636
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: Tarpin lived fifty years sometimes and have been just seen

637
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 1: so many flies, so many lures, cruising those you know, flats,

638
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: guy after guy after guy, and when you finally pull

639
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: it off and make it all happen, it's a special thing.

640
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: And it kind of felt like that this week. You know,

641
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: we were. It took us four days to really kind

642
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: of dial in our program and figure out how to

643
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: get it. It took us four days before we were

644
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: tricking cranes. We were killing cranes by sky blast pass you. Now,

645
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: let's not I don't want to imply to that it

646
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: was a learning experience because some things went wrong the

647
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: first couple of days, and it was more of a

648
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: logistics and it wasn't. It was it was a strategy,

649
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: your strategy to people try to film hunt and you

650
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 1: know what, it worked. We went back to the basics

651
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: of how I usually hunt. I was trying to I was,

652
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: you know, change, find the best cover and hide you

653
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: on the way home or at the pond when you

654
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 1: go out with just like another guy, you'll just grab

655
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: a big tumble weed and haul down in the ball

656
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: anywhere and just sit there like no, yeah, no, nothing.

657
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: Just so we come out here. But we're like, well, no,

658
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: it's gotta be eight people, big gass cameras, and the

659
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: camera can't be down under a tumble of weeks, it's

660
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: got to be and it's got a big lands and

661
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: a lot of times you're looking at the sun and

662
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: all the stuff. This isn't trying to criticize your crane

663
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: hood to building. So we eventually got to We did

664
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: fuler crane cameras because we're like learning how to hut cranes.

665
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: We did ful of crate until the day because we're learning,

666
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: like weather was an issue, but also just like how

667
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: are we gonna do this like filmed thing. It was

668
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: a learning curve with uh incorporating the camera crew factor

669
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: and the number of people in the interaction between number

670
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: of people and camera because I've taken out well, I

671
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: guess seven was the most I've taken up. No, actually eight,

672
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: so I've done eight people before once and we did

673
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: not limit. But you probably had him scattered around. He

674
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: didn't have. They were we have to have and actually

675
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: was the last weekend of the season, and so they

676
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: were educated. Well you know, we really how we really

677
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: wanted up, what really wanted up helping is we got

678
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: to do it dit roll. Yeah, like a dit roll

679
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: between two fields where they wanted to be yea, they

680
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: wanted to be there. We had to thick vegetation to

681
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: hide it. But notice how you and I were just

682
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: out in the middle of nowhere and we were hidden.

683
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: No nothing flared, but you were hitting him, were like

684
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: a great it was covered that we gathered and put it,

685
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: went out into the middle and put it on us.

686
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: And we could have done that and if we were

687
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: thirty yards over, we wouldn't been in bear stripped kind.

688
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: We would have been the same. Yes, I believe killed,

689
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: don't care. I'll be crazy killed. It can't be the same.

690
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: So you think you could have gone on in the

691
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: winter wheat field, No, whe It's the only difference that

692
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: deep green, no early season naive birds. Yes, but you

693
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: don't have much time with that. That's the only difference. Really. Well,

694
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: your guests on the show, so I don't want to

695
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: take your task too bad? Well, that's fine, do it.

696
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: I'll okay. Why were the birds spoken in the milo

697
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: field so bad? The first day? Her second day to

698
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 1: be honest? First day to yeah, yeah, of course I

699
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: want you to be honest. Uh. It was hard for

700
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: some of the new He used to stay down and

701
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: stay covered when I so here's the problem, and it's

702
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: a very don't mention any name. I'm not doing people.

703
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I know. So here's there's there's not saying

704
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: it shooters or camera, but there is there's a general

705
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: consensus that well, wait, I'm wearing camo, I blend in.

706
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: That's bullshit. I don't think anybody thought that. Yes, people did, alright, everyone.

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734
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: you're wearing the camo, they feel, you know, you could

735
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: sit up a little bit and you can't. Like if

736
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: you saw me and you were you yesterday, I didn't

737
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: pay attention as much today because I wasn't in the

738
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 1: field as long yesterday. You and I we were laying

739
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: flat on our back head on the ground, and that's

740
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: what you need to do. You're laying on the bosom

741
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: of the bosom of the earth. Yes, nobody was doing

742
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: that except for me, and and you know ed did

743
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 1: it a little bit. He's he's down it a couple

744
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: of times. But even he got so are you know,

745
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: running through the decoys. Yeah, but he's a certain guy

746
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: gets daylaid out, big old group cranes, crat, that's the

747
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: good guy, basically running through the field like a lunatic.

748
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: That was I don't want to say who times at work,

749
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: you were just there. I was trying to cover all

750
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: the bases, all the you know, okay, what happens if

751
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: this happened. I was trying to dig a second another

752
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: pit in case we had I don't I don't want

753
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: to do pitts. And we abandoned pits and so, but

754
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: we committed their pets and so if you're sha to

755
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 1: get off the pot, we committed to pitts. So I'm

756
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: gonna go all the way. And and yeah, that was

757
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 1: my fault on that first group of cranees. I don't

758
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: I'll admit it, but I'm confident. No, that's but the problem,

759
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: and the problem was it was not the bare dirt

760
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: or the tumbleweeds or anything. It was people not staying down.

761
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: They were seeing our brand new cameo or even the

762
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: old cameo. It does not look like the body. They're

763
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: seeing this stuff day in day out. They have that

764
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: extra rod cell or cone cell. I don't remember my

765
00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: basic biology. They can see, you know, exponentially more colors

766
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: than we could even imagine to see. That was the problem.

767
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: I promise you I will lay in them. I'll take you,

768
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: honey me, and you will go tomorrow lay in the

769
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: middle of the cotton fields with tumbleweeds. What do you

770
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: do for clothes? I'll wear, I'll go naked, I'll wear white,

771
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: whatever you want hide, and I will hide enough that

772
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: they won't see through the tumbleweeds if they see anything.

773
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: Totally reject what you're saying. I think it could be true.

774
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: I think that they could see fabric definitely, And I

775
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: think the fabric you might think like, oh, this fabric

776
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: is And it might be that they're flying over and

777
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: they're like, what the hell is that you? Like? You

778
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: can see you through a window. But if I lay

779
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: a window down in the big field and you're flying over,

780
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: you'd be like, that's a siwmissing window out in the field.

781
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,959
Speaker 1: You saw the bibs I had on the last two days,

782
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: those shadow grass. The pattern was absolutely perfect for what

783
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: we were in. They were too damn bright. I needed

784
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: to go roll around on the damn plia and get

785
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: muddied up. But I was, and I kept it the

786
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: idea I kept pulling. I did reject that idea, but

787
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: I kept pulling the native vegetation. What are you doing

788
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: it out there? And the ply on your back when

789
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: you're I was wondering that myself. Stop No, But I

790
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 1: mean that's a pattern that was perfect for the vegetation

791
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: we were in. But it was still too it was

792
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: way too, way too bright. I don't want to beat

793
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: I gotta beat this up one part, I part. But

794
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: where where we were there was a big mud pit

795
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: hole player. It was nice to It was a ditch.

796
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: It was a pond of some sorry okay, anyway, I

797
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: don't know what all right, So there was water in there, okay.

798
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 1: And beyond that was a bunch of white old hay bales,

799
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: the plastic sheathing from hay bales all over the place.

800
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: Why didn't that bother the cranes? Because he's there, it's

801
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: been there, and because those that those pieces of garbage.

802
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: But if the other day, the first field, and we

803
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: had also just laid in white suits, but it was

804
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: ron What did that first field look like? It didn't

805
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: have all that ship laying around in there. I understand

806
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 1: that there was an old propane tank. There was a

807
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: bunch of the first time they look at that, So

808
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: we're we're looking at that field for days now, at

809
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: least days. He here's the decide. The white it's okay

810
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: because they're accustomed to it. But no, because look at this.

811
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: You gotta think about this. You already have anaiable. We

812
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: know for a fast day. Did he's eleven years old,

813
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,439
Speaker 1: he was tagged in Fairbanks, Alaska. He's made Okay, whatever

814
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,959
Speaker 1: it is, it has managed to stay alive for eleven years,

815
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: flying from Fairbanks, Alaska to Texas and got tripped up

816
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: by a white plastic under ground. No, don't, don't. Don't

817
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: try to do that. Don't try to do the flipping

818
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 1: a trivial bullshit with me. Okay, that's eleven years old.

819
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,720
Speaker 1: You tell me it can move from Fairbanks, Alaska to Texas,

820
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: back and forth and do it eleven years and not

821
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: get killed, not run into something or whatever. But that's

822
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 1: something bitch. Can't get a basic sense, a basic spatial

823
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: sense of what is where it is habitat? Sure? Can

824
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: I think that if you had taken a propane tank

825
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: out to the first field we hunted in. How big

826
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: was that propan take standard? Yeah, okay, if you took

827
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: that out into the milo field we first hunted and

828
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: plopped it down there, I think the cranes would flare

829
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: from that pro pan take because they've been feeding in

830
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: this area and all of a sudden, that's not the

831
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: way it is. Also, these milo fields are very uniform.

832
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: It's like strip a vegetation dirt, strip vegetation dirt, and

833
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: these things are a quarter section, a half section, big

834
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: cater jack. It looks like someone dropped a couple of Yeah.

835
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: Way on day two, it looks like someone dropped a

836
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 1: couple of bombs out here in this field. The weird

837
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: Where did the exposed dirt end up on my pit?

838
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: It was on a berm immediately in front that was

839
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: covered in my ouse side. I think the bird stupid,

840
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: the burst up in the air. If you were hunting

841
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: jack rabbits, the burn would be a great idea kind

842
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: of what is on my phone next to this beer?

843
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: Now I'd be like, oh, yeah, he'll never see my

844
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: phone because my beers in the way. But when my

845
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 1: fingers up here, the bear doesn't matter. But it's not

846
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 1: a beer. It's it's dirt in the middle of a

847
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: dirt field. It's just piled mounds of dirt in a

848
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 1: uniform field. I see what you're thinking. If I took

849
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: a sheet of yellow line, if I took a sheet

850
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: of yellow line paper and then put a quarter on it,

851
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: you'd be like, you see anything wrong with this yellow

852
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: piece of papers. Damn core about it. It's that I

853
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 1: don't I want to tell you. Let me, let me,

854
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: let's make one more point, move one more I want

855
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: to make a point. So here's what this is going

856
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: to suggest strongly that you're wrong. There's no such thing

857
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: as proved. I'm not even go to the coundar. I

858
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: don't know what it is. I will not count it.

859
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: Go he's on the defense. Please do when the outfitters

860
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: go out, that can spend uh their entire working day

861
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: doing this, so basically this is their life. What they'll

862
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: do is they'll make three hundred of these stuffers that

863
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: I have and spend more time than I do. What

864
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: they'll do for a blind in the middle of a

865
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: milo field, They'll take this ft long, four ft deep,

866
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: four ft tall grasp build that morning with you know,

867
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 1: because they break it down and put it in the truck.

868
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: There's a trailer and put it up every morning, flip

869
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: open lid like you'd see a duck blind that you

870
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: make permanently, and the birds suck in because there's so

871
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: many decoys they do that. It's a new You're welcome,

872
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: Thank you, appreciate your go ahead and see. Okay, I

873
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: thought so, I thought so. Next next to counter, then

874
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: you said you would you would know? Please? What do

875
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: you have to say for that that? What I'm saying

876
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: is the little berm that was eighteen inches high covered

877
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: in milo stocks that are also covering the rest of

878
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: the field did not flare. It was people in their fabric.

879
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: I promise you, okay, I have counter for you. If

880
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: we were the same way, exactly the same way we

881
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: were the first two days and we dropped out six

882
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: D crane decoys, do you think those birds would have

883
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: flared on us with both days? Day one? It was

884
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: not us flare them Day one, it was somebody had

885
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: hunted the field illegally did and I didn't know until

886
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: the day that they were flaring on us. Then on

887
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: fabric or berms or whatever it was they were flaring

888
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: on us. If we had six hundred decoys out slaughtered them.

889
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: That's a good question because there's there's competing variable. See

890
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:25,439
Speaker 1: there's there's always more than one. Let's talk, sure, hold

891
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: on one of the quick thing. I just want to

892
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: drop in because we're on this old bird and it's

893
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: like Fairbanks, Alaska to Love Texas. Sounds like a talk

894
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: about that. We didn't say where it was. We didn't

895
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: on the field. It's right next to the Fisher game.

896
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: You know. We didn't talk about this today. Yeah, we

897
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: did a little quickie. You gave a little date on it.

898
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: That's where it was a banded We got that right. Okay.

899
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: I just said he went back and forth eleven times,

900
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: very Banks, Alaska. Anyways, it sounds a far away, just

901
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: so everyone knows. It's three thousand, seven hundred and sixty

902
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: three miles. Yeah, he just a dumbass bird. You don't

903
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: know what's the what Okay? I got text back from

904
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: brand about bands and about percentages. Historically it was around

905
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 1: and they have been reporting, but it's come up to

906
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: around with the toll free number. And what I'm saying

907
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 1: of the birds that they put a band down, they

908
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: get them back, they get them back now it's up

909
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,439
Speaker 1: to seventy percent because there's a website on the band

910
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: and there's a toll free number. It varies a lot

911
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: by location. Alaska, it's still built fifty. Do you know

912
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,720
Speaker 1: whatice That bird was so damn old. There's no website

913
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 1: on the band. That band like pre website. The metal

914
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: was actually started to hear your way some of the

915
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: words on it. That's right, you know what, Yeah, that's

916
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: that's an old band style. You know. I saw that

917
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: clip and thought it was odd, and I didn't think

918
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: it's because it was so long. Metal shop. Some guy

919
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: with the an villain of a coal f forging got

920
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 1: two birds band in a year back, so he killed

921
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: one of the damn So the decoys um in in

922
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: field hunting, you know, people use typically rags, which it

923
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: can be just like a piece of fabric for snows.

924
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: It used to work for already got wise to it. Yeah,

925
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: if you just put white stuff white rags out of

926
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: the field. Now we had to do an these things silo.

927
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 1: Then there was like silhouettes. We basically that's what we

928
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:31,760
Speaker 1: used to when I was a kid to hunt candidate

929
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: us We try to you like cut out the silhouette

930
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: of a goose and put it on a stick and

931
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: put it out of the field socks, which would be

932
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: like rag decoys. We tried to use it and use

933
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: silo socks, which is a silhouette head with a sock body.

934
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: Then people will have shells, which is basically like the

935
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: top half of a bird. You just lay down, you'll

936
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: have free standing whole geese with legs. But Mike is

937
00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: making what do you guys, what do you guys what

938
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 1: from about silo socks? I never thought, I never I

939
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: wondered why they call him. We didn't put two and

940
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: two together, so like boom, what is that? Oh yeah,

941
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: same thing. Anyways, So Mike makes his old crane decoys.

942
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: This is a whole interesting thing about birds and and

943
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: uh Rodney can poo poo. This is being just a

944
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: bunch of horse pucky. But Mike skins his cranes and

945
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:47,720
Speaker 1: then explain the process. He reforms the cranes skin into

946
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: a decoy. Now not everyone, of course, I mean they

947
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 1: take you know all, when it's all said and told.

948
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: Each decoy takes just under an hour to do um

949
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: from dead bird to decoy, dead bird to decoy. Alright,

950
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: tell the process how I do this. Okay, so uh,

951
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: it's not like an assembly line process, you know. I

952
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: start with I'll cut a whole bunch of so each uh,

953
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: each decoy has a couple two by four blocks in it. Now,

954
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is the best way to start

955
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: with skin of the bird, Okay, like falls out of

956
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:24,919
Speaker 1: the sky dead. Well, that's what I'm saying, though, because

957
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: I don't start there. I prep I do some prep

958
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 1: work so that so I'll start, you know, ten decoys

959
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: or something. I'll prepare ten steel steaks that are going

960
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: to be the neck or at least form the neck,

961
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: cut the blocks, um, you know, gather the uh you

962
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: know size screws that I'm going to use, and you know,

963
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: put it all like make a decoy making kid basically,

964
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: then the season start. I deal. I do it before

965
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: the season. Didn't this year because I had an unexpected

966
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: issue with domestic beetles. But um so now let's start

967
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: in the field. Shoot a bird. To start, I only

968
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:06,439
Speaker 1: use the biggest cranes. Um So, whether it's a greater

969
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: or lesser, I mean the um you know, you can

970
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 1: get a big lesser, but generally they're gonna be greaters.

971
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: And so if it's in good shape, meaning you know

972
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,919
Speaker 1: it's not all beat up from your shot, I skin

973
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 1: it um salted pretty well. Leave his own legs on,

974
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: I do. I leave its own legs. How far do

975
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: you skin the wing out? Uh? As far as you could,

976
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 1: basically as far as you could until it's just where

977
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: you can't go anymore. But you can still uh slip

978
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 1: some loppers in there to to cut through that bone.

979
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: And so there's actually there's always a little bit of

980
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: meat tissue left there and then brain tissue because you know,

981
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: I uh, if you're gonna do a museum prep, you

982
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: would skin out the entire skull, but that would make

983
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: three times as long. So I just cut it as

984
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: close to the skull as possible and as close to

985
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,919
Speaker 1: the wings as possible. Um, and I leave the head

986
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: so that neck I inverted, you know, so it's like

987
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: an inside out. It's called tube skinning or case skinning.

988
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: All right, there you go. I didn't know that, So

989
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: you salt that I used salt. Your borax would probably

990
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: be more effective, but it's more expensive, and you know

991
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: I do it on the cheap. You called I call

992
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 1: him magas well. Zombies I was offended in the nicest

993
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 1: possible way. No, I'm just kidding. So yeah, he he

994
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: reformed the things so skin it salted, and then generally

995
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,439
Speaker 1: the next day if it works, if you wait longer

996
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: than that, depending on the temperature a little bit, but

997
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:51,280
Speaker 1: the the next starts to harden and it's not as malleable,

998
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: and so ideally it's the next day. Then I, you know,

999
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: nailed two six inch two by four black box together,

1000
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 1: Staple that steel rod that I had cut, you know,

1001
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: maybe a probably a twenty four to twenty eight inch

1002
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: steel rod stable to the top of those two by fours,

1003
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: Shove it up the neck. Then I put some like

1004
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: pillow stuffing, synthetic stuffing or I've actually he's caught and

1005
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: that I've gathered in the field again when times were tough,

1006
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,439
Speaker 1: this stuff on the side of the road, of course,

1007
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: So then you kinda and all that does you put

1008
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: it on the side of the two by fours, and

1009
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: so all it does makes the decoy wider, and then

1010
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: you kind of fold over the skin flaps and staple

1011
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: it to the edges of those two by fours. So

1012
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: because it doesn't matter what, you know, if there's two

1013
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: by four exposed at the bottom. Nothing sees the bottom,

1014
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: so he skinned over. Could I add one thing basically

1015
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: in case someone's not getting what he's doing, he's basically

1016
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: playing taxidermists. Yes, not cheapass text. Yeah, if you want

1017
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: a text out of mass scale. You paid for these birds.

1018
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: You know how people might come on. There's a couple

1019
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: of them that don't have foam coming out of their

1020
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: mouth like they're vomiting. There might be a crawling out there.

1021
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: But in your defense, this morning when the fog lifted,

1022
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, spurts, there's some there's a birds in the

1023
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: field and like those are the stuffers he thought they

1024
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: were because it was so thick a ship, like, oh,

1025
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: that's where we put stuff up. Cranes land in the

1026
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: decoys and I can't laugh about that. Crane land and

1027
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: walking around. Cranes are all dead, they're just boring. Well,

1028
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: you guys, all right, let me go sit for a medic.

1029
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: You have a crane coming with a red cross on

1030
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: its wing, with any that is like anybody there's a

1031
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: megot you got magots coming out of your eye. But

1032
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: you guys, but I want to here's what I want

1033
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: to get to is uh, do I mean to finish

1034
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: up with the crane making or decoy making or well,

1035
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: I'm just worried about time because I want to get

1036
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: to I want to get to that basically. Yeah, but um,

1037
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: Robert Abernathew, a friend of mine who's a was a biologists,

1038
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: did a lot of work with turkeys. He he makes

1039
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: decoys similar process, but he just plucks a turkey that

1040
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: buys a shitty turkey decoy and then glues the real

1041
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: turkey's feathers under the turkey decoy. He made one of

1042
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: these and he was saying that I can't remember what

1043
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: did you ever be honest? Thirty one or he was

1044
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: saying somewhere it was like he said, I think it

1045
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: was thirty one. He said, thirty one turkeys, thirty one

1046
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: male turkeys have laid their eyes on this decoy. I

1047
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: have killed all thirty one of them within some inches

1048
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: of the decoy. And he said, and we showed that

1049
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: decoite a number thirty two and killed it. Now, what

1050
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: the You can't fathom what a bird looks like when

1051
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: it when it sees. Remember a guy was talking about

1052
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: these burden of jungle in the the iridescent color on

1053
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: that bird, and they're trying to figure out like what

1054
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: do these what do birds do when they see other birds?

1055
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: And he said it might be akin to what what

1056
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: that bird sees when he sees a member of his

1057
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: species through the jungle, which just just seems like green

1058
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: and there's flitters of movie. He said, it might be

1059
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: like what you see when you see a lightning bug.

1060
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 1: It's like, you don't know what that thing sees when

1061
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 1: it sees it, you know. And there's something about the

1062
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 1: coloration and the iridescence in those feathers, says Abernathy, that

1063
01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: like when he sees a turkey decoy, he's like, oh,

1064
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: that resembles a turkey decoy, But there's something about when

1065
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: he sees those feathers. It's like, I'm not wondering what

1066
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: that is. I know that that's what that is. And

1067
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: it's some combination probably of shape, position, you're adescence. But

1068
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: we can't just assume that, like when we look at

1069
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: a camel pattern, be like, oh, blends right in. You

1070
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: just don't really know what they're seeing. Yeah, how they judge,

1071
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: like how a bird in the air says, oh that's

1072
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 1: my kind and how other times when the burn and

1073
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: the air just goes, I'm coming in no matter what,

1074
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: or you think like that and thinks for an antelope

1075
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: and he's coming. You know what I mean, you're shooting

1076
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 1: at him. He's still coming because he's like God, it's

1077
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: like he screwed up. He's got in his head he

1078
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: sees something. But I think that those decoys work. And

1079
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: I feel like today the birds that approached those stuffers,

1080
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: the maggots, zombies home stop like the looks of those decoys. Yeah,

1081
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 1: they work. They didn't like the I think they liked

1082
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: that it was that much that we committed. Also committed

1083
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: kind of flare from the decoys. I mean, some people

1084
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 1: do well with silos well, but I think the silos

1085
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 1: would get them close they can see them. But I

1086
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: don't even think they were seeing them today. The day

1087
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: before they were coming in and flaring around them. That's

1088
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: why we kind of sat outside of them because the

1089
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: way they were flaring over then they gave us really

1090
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: close past. Earlier, we had birds land in a spread

1091
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: that included mag It's in silos, silos, silos. It is

1092
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 1: typical actually to get birds landing in the decoys. That's

1093
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 1: pretty common, you know, not that we're letting them go

1094
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 1: to land. It's just sometimes they come from a direction

1095
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: we different and everyone from the east today and you

1096
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: do it all of a sudden just well it was

1097
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: once that went over. Yeah, then they washed them up,

1098
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: that's what. Oh and you're saying like an opening day,

1099
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 1: they like pile in. But at this point we're into

1100
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: they've been getting shot at for a couple of months,

1101
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 1: so they might be getting a little bit. And it also,

1102
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: you know, there is you don't know what trip they're on.

1103
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: Like we talked about this sort of institutional knowledge about

1104
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: these birds that are alive so long you don't know

1105
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: what happened to him an hour ago. Yeah, that's true,

1106
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: because do you call us a bird of eleven o'clock?

1107
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: He flayers for decoyst ten o'clock. You getting shot at

1108
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 1: by some dude, you know what? You just don't know.

1109
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: It's like you don't know what kind of trip they're on,

1110
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 1: what they've been doing, what they've been seeing. Why do

1111
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: you sometimes out freak out? Sometimes I would don't freak out.

1112
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 1: Was a guy that a guy just shoot at him?

1113
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 1: And how much does it matter what that lead bird

1114
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 1: does it to? Today? We had we're going to get

1115
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 1: the trucks and a bunch of geese. Yeah, we had.

1116
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: We had a bunch of geese. Came over a fraction

1117
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: a third of those geese, five or six on that

1118
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 1: edge you really wanted in. I split off started circling

1119
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: like they were like, oh, let's go laying with those

1120
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 1: other keys. And there was some geese going and you

1121
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: can see this little group of geese going through this

1122
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 1: like don't do we don't know anyway? It end they're

1123
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,439
Speaker 1: like ship They went joy up with the group because

1124
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: their mom was up there. It was the edge birds

1125
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 1: that wanted to the lead birds didn't, and they won

1126
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: the argument. And they've proven that, dude, the older birds

1127
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: really lead. Absolutely. I'm not sure you'll see. I have

1128
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 1: a friend that shot the lead bird of a group

1129
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: of like a hundred, and he said it was tough

1130
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: as nails, suggesting it was it was an old, old bird.

1131
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 1: But I know I haven't read the literature with l

1132
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 1: I've seen where you'll have a calf you'll be like

1133
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 1: putting the moves out of group of elt in a

1134
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 1: caffle bust you and the castle jump and start, and

1135
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: no other elk cares because it's like a boy crime wolf.

1136
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, you know what he's doing, you know,

1137
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 1: And sometimes as if so much just picks up her ears.

1138
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: The whole herds like what you know, well, and if

1139
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 1: you happen to shoot the lead cow. I experienced this.

1140
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: She must have been the lead cow because they all

1141
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: just stood there. They didn't didn't know what to do.

1142
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 1: They found there's these guys studying these vervet monkeys and

1143
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 1: how they have like a little bit of language like that.

1144
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 1: They have a call for predator in the air, they

1145
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: have a call for predator in the tree, they have

1146
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: a call for predator on the ground. They recorded a

1147
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: monkey vocalizing a threat, and it started playing the recording

1148
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 1: of the monkey vocalizing the threat to his troop all

1149
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: the time. Eventually it got to be where if this

1150
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 1: monkey vocalized the threat, the monkeys didn't care because they

1151
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 1: burned him out with the recording. He lost his credibility. Yeah,

1152
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 1: he like people like, you know, eagle up there, dumbass

1153
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 1: it every day. Oh then the eagles moved in. Yeah,

1154
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 1: that's that's what good eagle was like, why did you

1155
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:10,479
Speaker 1: get the head of the stuff I want to talk about?

1156
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 1: Can we keep going so I don't want to, I

1157
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: don't want no, I don't want to be too long.

1158
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 1: Could I ask a question? Please? So back in what

1159
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 1: was it, Mike? Maybe two thousand eight? I started hunting

1160
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 1: with you. It was about two thousand and eight when

1161
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 1: I joined faculty at Texas Tech and we got to

1162
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 1: know each other and started hunting. I've never handed cranes

1163
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 1: a day in my life, and we went out and

1164
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 1: I thought this was the coolest thing I've ever experienced,

1165
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 1: and I really have been coming back every year. I'm

1166
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,439
Speaker 1: just curious of Ronnie, and I just want to share

1167
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 1: what you thought of the experience. I just I think

1168
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: it's one of the funnest things I've ever done. I

1169
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 1: think it was fun. But I'm such I'm so addicted

1170
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:57,479
Speaker 1: in my dogs. I would rather be working. I would

1171
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 1: rather be working with my dogs. It's not I know ed.

1172
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: Ed was lucky to bring his dogs and got some retreats,

1173
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 1: which is every hunter likes that do that. But if

1174
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 1: I've got like so many hours a year I can

1175
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: spend in the field, I'd rather spend it with my dogs.

1176
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 1: But I do a fair amount of crane or not

1177
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 1: a fair amount of goose hunting. Tiny bit of duck hunting.

1178
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 1: I really enjoy that. I really enjoy it. But it's

1179
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 1: not like what you're saying. I came down here and

1180
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 1: I thought it was like it was just I'm a

1181
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 1: social hunter. Steve knows me for a hum of years

1182
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 1: if I wouldn't hunt if it wasn't for friends and

1183
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 1: a dog. So he said, you gotta go hunt through

1184
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna McDonald's. I'm not gonna go hunt for my food.

1185
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 1: But I love hunting. I love being with my dogs

1186
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 1: and my friends, and so it was a great trip

1187
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 1: for that. But it wasn't like the end on Bill.

1188
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 1: I I've been just as excited with Canada's coming in

1189
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: or a duck coming through the trees. Just excited. Yeah,

1190
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 1: I mean it was neat because it was a bird

1191
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: I never shot before. That was the neat part. We

1192
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 1: learned a lot, oh yeah, about all kinds of stuff

1193
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 1: now the whole time, I knew this is gonna be

1194
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 1: kind of the cap on um my hunting season. In

1195
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 1: a couple of days, I have to go get a

1196
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 1: vast sect. To me, what ye and my wife's having

1197
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 1: a baby in a couple of weeks. Because you didn't

1198
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 1: get a a sect of me. I didn't get what

1199
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 1: I was gonna get it, and uh now I'm going

1200
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 1: down Now, I'm definitely going down there. So I'm done

1201
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 1: a hunt for the fall. And during this whole fall,

1202
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:24,719
Speaker 1: I was doing what I consider my spect my personal

1203
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 1: special to be or what I like to do is

1204
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 1: I like to hunt in the big game in the mountains.

1205
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 1: I like the backpack hunt. Um, And that could get

1206
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 1: miserable and it could start to feel like just a

1207
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 1: tremendous amount of work. It's like a ton of work

1208
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 1: before you kill something that it's really a lot of work.

1209
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 1: It's just like misery. And the whole time I was like, man,

1210
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 1: we go on that crane hunt, gonna be gravy, you know,

1211
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 1: But it's not. Man. Field hunt is hard, like three

1212
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: thirty wake up. You're on the field hours before daylight,

1213
01:08:56,400 --> 01:09:00,560
Speaker 1: haul and gears. It's just like I'd saying, It's like,

1214
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 1: it's not like field hunters are just like some lazy dude.

1215
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 1: When it gets daylight, you gotta be dialed in, truck

1216
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 1: parked half mile away, decoys out, everybody hid. It's like

1217
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 1: an early Riser. They got that same kind of drive

1218
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 1: and desired you do to climb a mountain. Oh there,

1219
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:24,640
Speaker 1: they're out there. Remember we're talking about the guy who

1220
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 1: wanted to get out of like what I mean, pick

1221
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 1: up a two in the morning, like too, I just

1222
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: going there now. Not No, it's hard, it's like hard work.

1223
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:40,719
Speaker 1: And I was out there and I was thinking, people

1224
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 1: that get good at this, you know, are hard workers

1225
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 1: like you gotta they're not hiking up a hill and

1226
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 1: just how much time we are and other times yeah,

1227
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 1: oh yeah, but I mean field, it's it's like a

1228
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 1: serious thing. It's a it's a it's a serious discipline.

1229
01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 1: I think you gotta stay on it. You have his

1230
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 1: many things float into your head to hunt cranes. You

1231
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 1: have as many bits of information coursing through your head

1232
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 1: as you do up in the mountains. Maybe more. Yeah,

1233
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 1: I mean there's more little things, more little factors are

1234
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 1: are swirling through your head to hunt field up for crane.

1235
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 1: I think than than at least right. It might be right,

1236
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 1: but you're probably right. And the fact that because he's

1237
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:27,719
Speaker 1: gauging over like thousands or let's just say, hundreds of kills,

1238
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 1: you're gauging your own hunter after maybe too bear kills

1239
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 1: or three elk kills so he's got all that other

1240
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 1: days and it said, like what does that like? It

1241
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 1: was this thing like exactly, so you're right. I think

1242
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. There's even more stuff going on in

1243
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,639
Speaker 1: that in his head trying to get these things set

1244
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 1: up like wherever because no one shot a thousand elk

1245
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:53,600
Speaker 1: and then there's these days and just make every mistake possible.

1246
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 1: I'm joking. No, he was guide. That wasn't asking is

1247
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 1: how many elk kills he was in like present for,

1248
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,440
Speaker 1: and he thoughts upwards of a hundred, which is astronomical

1249
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 1: seeming to me. I think he's live. It's just a lot.

1250
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 1: That's a lot of experience with an animal dollars. He

1251
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 1: han't seen hundred house. You know, it's funny. Just a

1252
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 1: comment on that last statement made you sit there and

1253
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:21,599
Speaker 1: take it your brand new hat, just like him throw

1254
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 1: it out like calling your liar. All right, we gotta

1255
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 1: wrap up the final thoughts, and I'm not gonna have

1256
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 1: a final thought that I had. Really glad you guys

1257
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 1: came down and got to experience it. I do want

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Speaker 1: to have a final thought. I had a phenomenal time.

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Speaker 1: I learned so much. Final thoughts, Mike Cool you know,

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to finish that thought. You know, even

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Speaker 1: cranes will make mistakes, and it's not like you know,

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Speaker 1: the individuals will. But I've had days when you shoot

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Speaker 1: a limit and it was easy. They just wanted to

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Speaker 1: be in that field so bad. You're packing up decoys

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Speaker 1: and they're still flocking in with you and you're like, wait,

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Speaker 1: makes season is so I mean, crane Honey is so easy.

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Speaker 1: Like this day it was like they were they're landing

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Speaker 1: like almost on you when you're standing up. But what

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Speaker 1: causes that? I don't know. Those days are three or four,

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Speaker 1: but it doesn't make sense. That's why I want to

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Speaker 1: say people who like the Bowl because the weather is

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Speaker 1: the same, the temperatures the same, the lanes to save

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Speaker 1: the ball ways the same way to say they put

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Speaker 1: them to say configuration. It's like, how can you not

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Speaker 1: get to strike every time or at least eight every time?

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Speaker 1: It's like sometimes you can get ted. Why can't you

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Speaker 1: get ted all the time? Because nothing changes, at least

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Speaker 1: with Honey every day is something new, something No, nothing changed.

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Speaker 1: It's like I think if you took some real elite

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Speaker 1: athletes and had them bowl, they'd get ten every time.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm from Chicago. We both You're right, that

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Speaker 1: kind of stuff keeps you out there. And one last thing,

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Speaker 1: tell these guys how many pounds of crane sausage you

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Speaker 1: may just try to use the thighs from the thime

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Speaker 1: me and I'm not talking to jump stick, but it's

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Speaker 1: just the thought. Because the breast you don't do. You

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Speaker 1: don't corrupt him. You just eat. You know, I'll do

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Speaker 1: it in a bunch of different ways. But you're right,

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Speaker 1: I don't, like, I would never grow really big gumbo

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Speaker 1: out of the breast of I hesitating. I don't even

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Speaker 1: make jerky. A lot of guys do, and it's good,

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Speaker 1: but I don't. I wouldn't even make jerkey out of

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Speaker 1: this just too good. Yeah, it's like, you know, throwing

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Speaker 1: in a croc bot and a lot of people out

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Speaker 1: there do that. But I mean, you could throw anything

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Speaker 1: in a crock pot for eight hours. Yeah, So answer

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Speaker 1: your question. I made last year, and granted these weren't

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Speaker 1: only birds that I killed, but my friends don't say

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Speaker 1: the thigh so I take theirs. I mean, I had

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Speaker 1: fifty pounds of thy mead crane timid and then plus

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Speaker 1: whatever pork I added to a container like that, I

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Speaker 1: want to wrap it up with that. Ladies, gentleman, that's

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Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. Fifty pounds of crane sausage. Old

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