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Speaker 1: Dale Lilly here with Matt Williams and this is the

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Speaker 1: Drive on Steelers Nation Radio. We are back together again,

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Speaker 1: not that we were ever away from each other for

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Speaker 1: but Matt, we were talking a little bit there about,

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Speaker 1: you know, potential draft picks for the Steelers, um you

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Speaker 1: know available at twenty um and mentioned a lot of

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Speaker 1: the names. We've kind of been talking about and there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of interesting guys there that that you you

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Speaker 1: would look at um if you were looking at this

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Speaker 1: from the perspective. Well, first of all, what what stood

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Speaker 1: out to you from this year's combine? To me, it

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Speaker 1: was just the the overall speed of this draft class

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Speaker 1: in general. Are you more you more excited about this

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Speaker 1: draft class after after watching them work out than you

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Speaker 1: were going into this? Yes, but I knew I would be.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's shrew no matter what draft

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Speaker 1: class it is, because I learned more names, I learned more.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the more I learned, the more excited I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna be. You understand some depth, guys. Boy, these fourth

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Speaker 1: round guys I didn't really hurt it didn't know much

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Speaker 1: I can now identify with better. I've seen them in

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Speaker 1: shorts work out too on the coverage and have a

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Speaker 1: better feel for what they are, and you hear stories,

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Speaker 1: so it always would be that way. However, I do

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Speaker 1: think there's a couple of combined themes from this year.

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Speaker 1: And remember we skipped a year, so I just heard today,

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Speaker 1: which makes sense. The cults changed their turf between last

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Speaker 1: combine which is two years ago and this one, and

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Speaker 1: they think it's a little faster, you know, Okay, I

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Speaker 1: think it's a lot faster, but but it's something that

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Speaker 1: we better be aware of and every team is probably considered. Um.

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Speaker 1: I do think that the way the testing went was

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Speaker 1: So that was a theme. And I obviously think a

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Speaker 1: to um didn't put him next to Bush. It's big enough. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: get we'll see the compics. A word of the Steelers

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Speaker 1: because it's measured against what everybody else lost, not just you.

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Speaker 1: we're gonna say, boy, the Steelers had eight needs. Now

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Speaker 1: where it could come into play. Is that edge class

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Speaker 1: if it's if it's twenty, you're picking at twenty one

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Speaker 1: But if one of those guys, or even you know,

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Speaker 1: have one, we gotta we love Trayvon Walker. He fits

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Speaker 1: perfectly into our defense. He's available at the twenty or

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Speaker 1: That's the one part that way more. We really haven't

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Speaker 1: you just said a bad spot picking at twenty to

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Speaker 1: unfortunately for them. You know, Ben Roethlisberger, then we got

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Speaker 1: past year. Absolutely remember him as that guy, you know, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, No, I can't either. I think it's there's

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Speaker 1: too many other things. And again, free agency will dry

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Speaker 1: trade up to get Calvin Johnson? You know what I mean? Right? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: star power. The overall star power in this draft is

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Speaker 1: still have four or five guys that you know, you'd

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Speaker 1: really like to add to your football team. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure, and maybe we'll do is Wednesday

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Speaker 1: list here on NFL dot Calm alright, alright, all right.

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Speaker 1: He's got Carle Hamilton number one, Aiden Hutcheson Er two,

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Speaker 1: Evan Neil three, Cave cave On, Thibodeau four, Sauce Gardener five,

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Speaker 1: Johan Dotson, Trayvon Walker, A Walker will be gone for sure. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: JD power dot com Slash Awards. I don't know, I

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Speaker 1: don't know why one in not twenty, but they I

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Speaker 1: think they. I think that's what he always says. We

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Speaker 1: have we had too, and I wonder if that's like

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Speaker 1: in case one of them puts the bong mask on

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Speaker 1: on a data day, you never know. Yeah, So you

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Speaker 1: got those to get that number in your head. And

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Speaker 1: if you get to pick twenty and five of those

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Speaker 1: guys are still available, then you, yeah, you're gonna move

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Speaker 1: back to twenty five because there's still going to be

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Speaker 1: somebody there that you would have taken at twenty Right now,

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Speaker 1: it makes sense. If there's only two of those guys

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Speaker 1: still available, then you're probably not going to move back

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Speaker 1: to twenty five. Probably not, but you would entertain, you know,

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Speaker 1: moving down a little, especially if you think, yeah, you

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Speaker 1: would move back, Yeah, you'd moved back to twenty two,

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't move to you would move to twenty five.

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Speaker 1: It's risky, Yeah, yeah, I do wonder. I'd love to

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Speaker 1: talk to a GM someday and say you had four

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Speaker 1: targets and you moved back six spots. Was that like

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Speaker 1: the longest hour of your life or did you feel

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Speaker 1: confident that they you know, they are pretty confident that

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Speaker 1: they all wouldn't go you know, yeah, because that's how

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Speaker 1: you end up then screwing yourself out. Like all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, you moved back you had three players that

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Speaker 1: you would have taken there, you moved back six spots

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Speaker 1: and bam, all three players are gone, and you're going, okay,

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Speaker 1: now what do we do. I want to trade back again,

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Speaker 1: and nobody's calling me, And now nobody's calling yeah, And

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Speaker 1: now you end up taking a player that you had,

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Speaker 1: you know, a second round grade on, or you know,

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Speaker 1: a lower grade on in the first round. Then everybody was, well,

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Speaker 1: what did you do that for? You know, to me

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Speaker 1: that the Casey Hampton pick um if I remember correctly

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Speaker 1: in two thousand one, Uh, they were at six team

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Speaker 1: and they moved back three spots to take Casey Hampton

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Speaker 1: at nineteen because that was the situation. They had several

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Speaker 1: players there that they were they would be happy to take,

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Speaker 1: and you know, in team that were still available, they said, okay,

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Speaker 1: we can move back and acquire more picks and still

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Speaker 1: get Casey Hampton. And we'll never know that. Did the

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Speaker 1: two picks that happened in between where they were scheduled

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Speaker 1: to pick and where they inevitably picked, would they have

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Speaker 1: been Steelers ahead of Hampton? And it's funny because you

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Speaker 1: brought up Hampton in those days. What was their six

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Speaker 1: teams running a three four, So you know, it's a

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Speaker 1: little easier to say, well, New England's got Will Fork,

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Speaker 1: they're not taking them. These other teams aren't close and

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Speaker 1: they have other needs, you know, who we're really fighting

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Speaker 1: for for him? I think I think the trade was

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Speaker 1: with the Jets, if I remember correctly, the Jets took

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Speaker 1: Santana Moss, the Seahawks took Steve Hutchinson, the Lions took

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Speaker 1: Jeff Backers have been bad next, no, imagine that, all right,

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been bad for a decade, right, Jeff

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Speaker 1: backus when an eight team to Detroit. And then the

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Speaker 1: Steelers took Casey Hampton. Okay, so I mean I don't

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Speaker 1: remember the team, but um, probably Hampton was their highest

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Speaker 1: rated guy at sixteen. Probably probably, I mean pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Great on Steve Hutchess. Admit you're not taking it has

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Speaker 1: to be really good to take him a sixteen, and

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Speaker 1: I guess he qualifies. But either way, yeah, it worked out. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: So it's just it's an interesting way to look at

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Speaker 1: things here, you know, just because you think, well, there's

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Speaker 1: no way that guy's gonna be available. He had he

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Speaker 1: just had a great combine. Yeah, Jordan Davis had a

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Speaker 1: great combine. Doesn't mean he's not gonna still be you know,

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Speaker 1: he he affirmed. I think, what, okay, he's he's perhaps

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Speaker 1: special enough at the defensive tackle position that you would

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Speaker 1: take him at where you would take him, you know,

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Speaker 1: wherever um. But again, he's not going to be for everybody.

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Speaker 1: And I remember this a couple of years ago because

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Speaker 1: there was the two years ago, because it was a

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Speaker 1: Seedee Lamb draft, and I really believed going into that

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Speaker 1: that draft that there were sixteen guys then draw a

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Speaker 1: line and go after that and fifteen and the sixteen went.

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Speaker 1: Atlanta takes A J. Terrell, who I did not have

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Speaker 1: in my top sixteen, and Dallas at seventeen takes Cdee

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Speaker 1: Lamb even though they didn't need a receiver. A J.

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Speaker 1: Terrell start out to be a really good player. And

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Speaker 1: we're the only good things going on in Atlanta. But

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Speaker 1: that's neither here nor there. My my hunches. When you

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Speaker 1: and I have these conversations, and with many of them

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Speaker 1: between now and opening night of the draft, I bet

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Speaker 1: we'll come up with twenty five names that would be

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Speaker 1: very comfortable with. At least, yeah, I would agree. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think by the nature of this draft, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: just think it's it's it's a deeper you know, seventy

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Speaker 1: five to eight players that you go, okay, that any

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Speaker 1: of those guys could be first or second, you know,

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Speaker 1: not for not all first round picks, but they could

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Speaker 1: all go in the second round two like that second round. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: For example, though, like we seem to think that there's

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Speaker 1: a really good chance at the Steelers signed an into

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Speaker 1: your offensive lineman. But if that isn't the case, Zion Johnson, it'sent.

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Speaker 1: He's fine by me. Tested off the charts, Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: tape matches, you know. Yeah, like ever in the world

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Speaker 1: has him going thirty feet to the Bengals. I don't

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Speaker 1: think he gets there, right, No, nor do I. But again,

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Speaker 1: it's that same thing is is every team gonna be

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Speaker 1: in the same situation? And is the thing about the

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Speaker 1: Bengals not picking at thirty one? How many who which

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Speaker 1: teams at the end of that first or end of

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Speaker 1: the top of the second round then say, oh, the

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Speaker 1: Bengals really need an offensive lineman. We really like John

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Speaker 1: Johnson here, We're gonna jump ahead of them. Oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean probably they've never had to deal with the

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Speaker 1: ever had to deal with that in a long time.

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Speaker 1: Like you're when you're picking five, the only teams moving

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Speaker 1: ahead of you for something or moving up for quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: and nobody has the draft capital to do it right.

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Speaker 1: And it's it's very expive. Is expensive, not so hard,

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Speaker 1: not so Yeah, you're getting up a fourth round pick

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Speaker 1: or something or you know, something like that, so they

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Speaker 1: can they can easily do it. Yeah that makes sense. Um,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, it's it's I think it's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: fascinating draft, fascinating offseason. I can't wait for it. But

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Speaker 1: we are going to do our first mock draft coming

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Speaker 1: out of the NFL scouting Combine. We'll do that when

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Speaker 1: we come back. He is Matt Williams and I'm Dale Lally.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio.

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