Speaker 1: Worldwide. Why from the Streets to the yard Gangster Mary,
Speaker 1: When I wrote y'all all across the USC Compton Watts,
Speaker 1: thank to l A from on the California, From Valley
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Speaker 1: a pioneer in the building the night he stepped on
Speaker 1: the scene of nine eight three and has been a
Speaker 1: fixture in the game since then. Were twin two solo albums,
Speaker 1: nine platinum and gold plaques under this belt. The respect
Speaker 1: of his piers, North, South, East, and West, he has
Speaker 1: arguably the most successful rapper of all time. Yeah bitch
Speaker 1: has definitely made him rich, with a fan base that
Speaker 1: developed by slinging mixtapes to the Pence players and hustlers
Speaker 1: in the streets of cocaine rich Oakland, California, known as
Speaker 1: the City of Dope. His career took flight when he
Speaker 1: linked up with Jerry Hodges, the younger brother of Oaktown
Speaker 1: Ballerteer Hawks, owner of seventy five Girls Records. So j
Speaker 1: basically was like, yeah, you know, my brother own a
Speaker 1: record label, and everybody knew who his brother was. His
Speaker 1: brother right by sitting every day riding by It's nive
Speaker 1: zip by the bins. You know what I'm saying, Come
Speaker 1: back down the hill on the brand new catalect last
Speaker 1: backed up in a different color catalec. We're like, okay,
Speaker 1: we know where that nigg is. You know, he got
Speaker 1: the he got the curl. Sometimes you like ride around
Speaker 1: with the colored rollers in his air, but sometimes he
Speaker 1: just let it down and he'd just be way beyond
Speaker 1: you like that. That's that nigga. But he was a
Speaker 1: lot of niggas. That's big time. You could connect into something.
Speaker 1: You're like they that stay boys, that's where they. He wasn't.
Speaker 1: He wasn't a nigger like that. The Dean was a
Speaker 1: nigger who came up selling. Uh. He made all his
Speaker 1: little cousins road joints for him and he'd get a
Speaker 1: big ass bag of we like appoualtweed or something nigger
Speaker 1: like twelve years old and make all his little cousins
Speaker 1: road joints. And there was a joints they sold joints
Speaker 1: after the projects. He turned that into a motherfucking empire
Speaker 1: of his his own ship. But the plug he would
Speaker 1: funk with, he wasn't really like the mob. He just
Speaker 1: was a nigga who had clientele. Like like his clientele
Speaker 1: was like his clientele. Wasn't you come to him? You
Speaker 1: meet him where he say me meeting me? He wasn't
Speaker 1: like running the organization, wasn't no staff and that he
Speaker 1: was just a baller so and he only so like
Speaker 1: big ship. So Jerry checked me up there to meet
Speaker 1: his brother. You know, he kind of he's tried us
Speaker 1: to the left a little bit for a minute, and
Speaker 1: then we double back again, like we never would have
Speaker 1: got in if it wasn't for a little bro Like
Speaker 1: that's his little brother same, I'm the same, Daddy and
Speaker 1: Jerry get us up in there. That should just that.
Speaker 1: Semi five girls changed my old entire life, like getting
Speaker 1: around Dean, getting around that hustle. He was a real
Speaker 1: fucking player, player player, like like real player, fucking this
Speaker 1: this kind of nigger that, Um, you find a stack
Speaker 1: of pictures, It's like naked pictures of all the bitches
Speaker 1: that you wish you had from all over the city,
Speaker 1: like d like, so that's that nigga. So he basically, um,
Speaker 1: he really got me that player game. He gave me
Speaker 1: the game on how to make a record. He didn't
Speaker 1: know how to make a beat. Their mother couldn't wrap
Speaker 1: him and play instrument. But he he wouldn't make everybody
Speaker 1: teaching the game how to where you go to make
Speaker 1: the record, who you get to mix it, where do
Speaker 1: you go to get the artwork done in the in
Speaker 1: the album cover, Where do you go to get the
Speaker 1: ship master? Who who manufactures it? Who you take it
Speaker 1: to the ship it out the distributor, the fucking and
Speaker 1: then who you can take it too directly and then
Speaker 1: you go back like a paper round, just pick up
Speaker 1: all the money. And I like, we did that ship
Speaker 1: for two albums and then they gonna let me ride
Speaker 1: side by side. We used to We used to put
Speaker 1: that come down in l a and bust moves. Uh
Speaker 1: pull up on niggas like ice tea and ship like.
Speaker 1: He was really like Dean was a real player. And
Speaker 1: in the end it was a beautiful thing because I
Speaker 1: come through his little brother. His mama ended up being
Speaker 1: like my mom and ship fucking it's a family thing.
Speaker 1: We never signed the contracts, so when he it was
Speaker 1: like a hobby to him, and he was like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm through with y'all. We was in a cool position.
Speaker 1: He gave us the game and let us walk just free,
Speaker 1: and we just did the same thing. He did it
Speaker 1: all over again. That's how That's how I got in
Speaker 1: the game. We just duplicated where he showed us. We
Speaker 1: started dangerous music. It's the same fucking thing. And probably
Speaker 1: talked talked you talked to you some games I mean
Speaker 1: supposed to do with the youngsters coming up, Like literally
Speaker 1: we took like about ten racks man and knocked that
Speaker 1: ship until about three hundred thousand over the summer sucking
Speaker 1: around with with the with the independent hustle. So why
Speaker 1: did you just say that he's done? Was he hurt?
Speaker 1: Was something going on with him? So Dan had did
Speaker 1: it like a little He did like a little year
Speaker 1: in jail in like eighties six. We started working around
Speaker 1: eighty five and eighty seven when we shut it down.
Speaker 1: So he did like about a year. He came home
Speaker 1: from the year, and uh, I felt like, man, like
Speaker 1: you know you're coming home, yo, yo, hustle kind of
Speaker 1: get sat back a little bit and you're thinking, like
Speaker 1: ground level, I'm gonna build ship back up. He still
Speaker 1: had all the same plugs. I just feel like we
Speaker 1: was in the way. Man. He was like about to
Speaker 1: get back on his grind and do his thing and
Speaker 1: that music. Ship. We was real dependent, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. We was real like clinging and ship and
Speaker 1: and needed ship. And we all up in the nigger
Speaker 1: house and nigga that's a little broad and honey, and
Speaker 1: we came with a lot. I looked back then, was
Speaker 1: like damn, but you're gonna You're gonna kick us out
Speaker 1: of the game. But when we look back on and
Speaker 1: there he gave us the game. So yeah, he figured
Speaker 1: he had talked to you all. Y'all need to know.
Speaker 1: He was about to get back on his house. And
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah he got mad at me a little bro.
Speaker 1: I think he faked the whole thing. I think he
Speaker 1: just fake it, just fake like he was mad at us,
Speaker 1: like many fun out my ship. But we was free
Speaker 1: to go. Man, that's cool. And that was a crucial
Speaker 1: error back then. Man, that's Oakland apparently all that because
Speaker 1: both cities had major king pians. Man, what did you
Speaker 1: see as far as Oakland? Man, who was the what
Speaker 1: impact the crack had on the community up there? Like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm high school eighty four, so I'm right there. Eighty
Speaker 1: four is when somebody, you know, okay, look go you
Speaker 1: eighty two eighty three. It's a whole lot of motherfucker's
Speaker 1: pulling up in their little bins or something. You know,
Speaker 1: you see like the older niggas and like niggas uh
Speaker 1: maybe you know free basing and ship. Man. You know,
Speaker 1: motherfucker would even say, yeah, you know, me and my beach,
Speaker 1: we'd be smoking. Man, I was I'm smuggling mother fucker
Speaker 1: was talking about that ship like it was ballers sh it.
Speaker 1: So you're sitting there going that. So you're looking at
Speaker 1: you're looking at you nig saying free base and you're
Speaker 1: looking at free basing. It's like a fly thing in
Speaker 1: eighty three. So one day in eighty four, somebody goes
Speaker 1: on such and such block they saw this ship. You
Speaker 1: can you could just get a piece of that ship
Speaker 1: in free base for ten dollars. That's how the ship
Speaker 1: was like marketed at first, and motherfucker's flopped to that ship.
Speaker 1: They ran so high school class eighty four. Niggas is like,
Speaker 1: if you got a few thousand, you're doing good. You're
Speaker 1: doing good. You you're cool. You you got a little car,
Speaker 1: you put some rams on your ship. You got a
Speaker 1: little bit and your ship you keep. You keep a
Speaker 1: fucking rubber band with a hunting on top, looking like
Speaker 1: you did somebody and ship. And you know, niggas respecting
Speaker 1: that your hustle. You keep a few thousand the shoebox
Speaker 1: under the bed. You're good. That's that's when that's so nigga. Right,
Speaker 1: you got a cool little car. You spent like twenty
Speaker 1: only puts some wheels on. You gotta pay you cool,
Speaker 1: got an earl shot pain job, whatever the fun, you're cool.
Speaker 1: Niggas like respecting your your young hustle. Right after that,
Speaker 1: I remember just off one block like Plymouth. So many
Speaker 1: niggas got rich off that one block. And I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about niggas making a few hunt the niggas got richer.
Speaker 1: And then it just just everywhere there used to be
Speaker 1: a they used to sell herold. When they used some
Speaker 1: motherfucking sell weed. It was what ever, all them ships
Speaker 1: turned out to be fucking cracks. I'm I mean, some
Speaker 1: niggas opened up shopping an apartments. When you start getting real.
Speaker 1: That had the two apartments where you could just you know,
Speaker 1: come into gatness. It's the only one, you know, the
Speaker 1: one way in, one way out. They let that man.
Speaker 1: Niggas got that ship popping. The other nigga showed up,
Speaker 1: not a few niggas down. That's when the ship started.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just it was like, give me your ship.
Speaker 1: Y'all ain't even toughen if they had just give me
Speaker 1: give me your apartments, like it just boosted everything. Then
Speaker 1: high high schools, the money for yeah, just hanging on
Speaker 1: the block. Man, if I didn't go to school and
Speaker 1: ship school, I think I really, I'm shutting dope. That
Speaker 1: was the way to get it. But that ship turned
Speaker 1: into like like before that, it was like someone put
Speaker 1: them up ship. Look you know, let's sling it out
Speaker 1: or whatever. After that, it was like little niggas like
Speaker 1: this little nigga, you know, be a little nigga, like
Speaker 1: I think it was a market in high school. That
Speaker 1: nigga was like a boss after that crack because you
Speaker 1: give got so much money and had a little army
Speaker 1: and ship like that, and it's a boss now and
Speaker 1: then't gonna get you hurt, you know, And that's still
Speaker 1: going on today. Money gives something a certain courage. But
Speaker 1: it was a long run of a lot of different
Speaker 1: rules before you know, the fucking clips and the fullies
Speaker 1: and ship. It was a whole different run of like
Speaker 1: street like that wasn't a crack crack, fun up the
Speaker 1: funk up pool, a little liquor and roll something up. Chronicles,
Speaker 1: We'll be right back where are you at? This is
Speaker 1: o G Gangster Granny and the Gangster Chronicles podcast is
Speaker 1: back in effect. Get ready for some of that G
Speaker 1: Ship and Blaze up. Some wanna marrow everything. Let me
Speaker 1: ask you this, um, and this is mostly for chances
Speaker 1: for you too too. What's the difference? You think it
Speaker 1: stid the different Like you think you hit comp in
Speaker 1: the same way. Game. It's different, but you got the
Speaker 1: same results it hit everything was. Everything is gonna be
Speaker 1: different because the way they got down in Oakland, the
Speaker 1: way you get down in Chicago is totally different. The
Speaker 1: way they wrapped their ship, the way they sell it. Um.
Speaker 1: Like in Compton, you had thirty month pucker's like on
Speaker 1: the block, but they was all homies. Everybody was like
Speaker 1: this at the beginning. Let's get a year in, eight
Speaker 1: months in it. Now everybody felt apart, and now we're
Speaker 1: fighting over that block, in that block. So and then
Speaker 1: you get the same thing in Oakland. You got the
Speaker 1: same effect. Now there's over territory. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But the cold part is, you know something something got
Speaker 1: out of it because they couldn't deal with it. Like
Speaker 1: you said, the marketing at school. Now he got the money.
Speaker 1: Now I needed to shot caller. You had a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of them in the neighborhood. You know, there was
Speaker 1: the good boys and the good boys are always made
Speaker 1: the motherfucking money man. But you can't be mad at
Speaker 1: that mother because you got the game banriage ain't trying
Speaker 1: to do that. They're trying to game back. They ain't
Speaker 1: focused like the next nigga was. So it's it's all
Speaker 1: pretty much the same way. All that. The conflict of
Speaker 1: interest in l A was the the nigga froend the
Speaker 1: hood who got too rich. Yeah, I mean you had
Speaker 1: your you had your certain things. Like you said, certain
Speaker 1: niggas was hustlers like a motherfucker, certain neighborhoods. Every it
Speaker 1: seemed like every hood, you know, Compton or whatever, watch
Speaker 1: l A. Every hood had a couple of niggas who
Speaker 1: just had to sack them. Was just real, you know.
Speaker 1: And then you just had a couple of niggas like
Speaker 1: you said, James, it was a few of us. That
Speaker 1: was ten niggas on the block trying to rush the
Speaker 1: same cart this week. Yeah, so it just had it
Speaker 1: had the same hustle. The hustle I had a honey
Speaker 1: whom who was doing it was. It was real big
Speaker 1: and he felt all the way to funk off. Just
Speaker 1: bad luck, bad luck, bad luck. And then think it
Speaker 1: was like and then he was like went the trenches
Speaker 1: with the motherfucking hoodie and the dressing all black and ship.
Speaker 1: Now this nigga went, but gotta somebody getting a kilo
Speaker 1: nigg and so that ship he sold a few kilos
Speaker 1: and all fucking rocks for until hetill he got money again.
Speaker 1: I think he just went. He went back from being
Speaker 1: he dropped his whole balling status. It went to be
Speaker 1: a corner nigg again. But he did it in a
Speaker 1: baller way instead of like building his way up. He
Speaker 1: woin't got somebody front of my whole thing, family member whatever,
Speaker 1: and he just chipped away. This ship took some of
Speaker 1: are some of our old g's you gotta get back.
Speaker 1: That came that mentality to stay low key. You know,
Speaker 1: I've seen lots of dudes from my neighborhood and then
Speaker 1: Compton whatever who didn't play that. You know, you know
Speaker 1: the niggas was ballers and the motherfucker but they kind
Speaker 1: of went low key with the floss. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying was talking about just doing pocket change too. Niggas' cool.
Speaker 1: Let me go set up the block for two days day,
Speaker 1: just pulling up and motherfucking pintos and ship. Motherfucking workshirts
Speaker 1: on and ship like that. That's even like the music business.
Speaker 1: Like when when y'all start rapping, you didn't see too
Speaker 1: many brothers in Compton, l a juried out and then
Speaker 1: when they started seeing it, everybody had to do it. Yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: And that's all it is is the fucking train and
Speaker 1: everybody said fuck it. Like you see that motherfucker roll
Speaker 1: with the rims on this ship. Oh, I got to
Speaker 1: go get that, but I'm gonna do something different. And
Speaker 1: that's how they was getting the biggest, fattest motherfucker's had,
Speaker 1: the baddest bitches and niggers would not the one thing
Speaker 1: that they should have did and you can't you know,
Speaker 1: hindsight whatever, but man, motherucker should have watched that money
Speaker 1: up and nobody wanted to do it. I remember it
Speaker 1: being out there because it was so much money out there.
Speaker 1: My fund. I remember hearing the talkings like you can
Speaker 1: give your money to selling something something clean cut. Motherfucker
Speaker 1: who had a plan and he was like, give me
Speaker 1: your money and I'll give you half your money back.
Speaker 1: Legitimately set up in like businesses and ship in the
Speaker 1: bank and was like I'm gonna give you a mean,
Speaker 1: I was gonna give me five huney fuck you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it would have did that. You would have did that.
Speaker 1: You could have been We go to the shoe box
Speaker 1: with the ship and say, but you could have played
Speaker 1: the loan version better any day. We didn't. We wasn't
Speaker 1: taught a lot of that ship, you know, the white
Speaker 1: boy game with the with the going there making a
Speaker 1: lot of us was just talked to just stack the
Speaker 1: bread stack the bread stack to bread because it was
Speaker 1: straighting only one way exactly. I think, like Sure said,
Speaker 1: it was a man who came to him offering the
Speaker 1: opportunity to watch this ship. And I think sometimes man
Speaker 1: nigga's just had they but point out making if collectively,
Speaker 1: if all these cities in America that got ate up
Speaker 1: by crack would have fucking insted the crack money back
Speaker 1: in the community, it might have been the way we
Speaker 1: see other ethnic groups take dirty back in Oakland. Because
Speaker 1: let's go back like seventy girls, I'm talking about buying
Speaker 1: up all the buildings on the main street. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about buying all the houses on yo. Black type was
Speaker 1: some people that did and I ain't gonna say the
Speaker 1: dude's name. One brother did do it. They still washed them.
Speaker 1: Because I've been back then. You gotta figure out ship.
Speaker 1: Everything was set up in design for you do not
Speaker 1: succeed anyway as a black man, whatever your ship was.
Speaker 1: And you knowing how hard they came down on niggers
Speaker 1: who were serving and ship, they get your ass A
Speaker 1: thousand years and ship so real. It's a lot of
Speaker 1: brother still locked up. You know, let's let's go this.
Speaker 1: Seventy five girls areas over with how you bump up
Speaker 1: to another dude to boh, yeah, that's that's the next level.
Speaker 1: So we come out the situation with Dean as me
Speaker 1: and his little brother. We bring on his first cousin, Randy,
Speaker 1: and we go looking around through West Oakland and East
Speaker 1: Oakland trying to find one of these big ballershood. Because
Speaker 1: now we got the formula, we're like, it ain't like
Speaker 1: when I pulled up on Dean, I didn't know ship,
Speaker 1: and I'm learning ship. Now we know how to flip
Speaker 1: this ship. All we need now is the money. So
Speaker 1: I'm pulling up on the dudes that I've been selling
Speaker 1: tapes to for years. Motherfucker's no, I put a real
Speaker 1: record out. They know, you know, it's next level. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, this this ship it flipped real easy.
Speaker 1: But it's nighties seven and the numbers. I'm saying, when
Speaker 1: you're telling the nigga, I can show you how we
Speaker 1: can hit a quick hundred thousand quick two and thousand.
Speaker 1: That's just sounds like peanuts and them, and it's like
Speaker 1: they're laughing at me and Ship, like, nigga, you know
Speaker 1: how much I quick I make two and thousand? They
Speaker 1: got I go flip that ship in tomorrow. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: my nigga with so I'm getting. I'm like it's like
Speaker 1: I'm going from bank to bank. And niggas is like, now,
Speaker 1: I don't wanna, dude, I don't want to do it
Speaker 1: like Homies to like motherfucker's Like Con said at Homies,
Speaker 1: is like like, nah, it's a game was too new
Speaker 1: for him and Ship it's like that new product. And
Speaker 1: show Ted had a he had one of his dudes
Speaker 1: and his crew was named Ali and he was like
Speaker 1: one of the loud motherfucker's, you know, just out talking
Speaker 1: and out laugh for you. Now how ship talk you
Speaker 1: and just just one of them motherfucker's And he he
Speaker 1: was like the hype man. And I wasn't there when
Speaker 1: it went down, but they said after how that tied me.
Speaker 1: And it was real cool through the through the tape
Speaker 1: hustle and ship and just you know, selling customary tapes
Speaker 1: and you know what I'm saying. He was he was
Speaker 1: supporting the too Short Freddie B movement and then um
Speaker 1: um Ted was like, nah, I'm cool. And then we
Speaker 1: left and he said, Ali went into his uh the
Speaker 1: whole yelling and screaming. She's like that man's two shorts something.
Speaker 1: You know, if you knew him, you know when the
Speaker 1: loud motherfucker's to just be like, like, you gotta do
Speaker 1: that ship and talked him into it. So you know,
Speaker 1: he came back. And I always say this that he
Speaker 1: agreed to spend like like a few geez like just
Speaker 1: to get the studio time to get you know, get
Speaker 1: your ship going. And then at some point there I
Speaker 1: don't know if the music or the hustle or what
Speaker 1: it was, he just without saying all right, man, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna spend teen or I'm gonna spend fifteen or whatever,
Speaker 1: he just started taking care of the movement. So you
Speaker 1: got eight ten niggas moving every day, we're hustling and ship.
Speaker 1: But this nigga feeding all these niggas. This niggas, he like,
Speaker 1: we ain't gonna be riding around folk deep in the car.
Speaker 1: So he pulled out four cars all for his car.
Speaker 1: You got you dry that, We got lights and dry
Speaker 1: atmos and we're riding around in the caravan and the
Speaker 1: niggas like really making it look right. It wasn't just.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just like I'm a put your in the
Speaker 1: studio and he was making a nigga look right like
Speaker 1: nigga When I on the board of mac album cover,
Speaker 1: Nigga like sitting in his car. Put all this jury
Speaker 1: on nigga, let's sell it. So that's what that was.
Speaker 1: And then we go to a show. We're pulling up
Speaker 1: mob deep flyass cars. You know, niggas is singing that
Speaker 1: ship going on, all that shortening him. So we set up,
Speaker 1: we set the standard to a certain level and we
Speaker 1: kept it there and then you know, it was it
Speaker 1: was just like that. The money started coming in. We
Speaker 1: got mo fly ask cards and we just we had
Speaker 1: that look. So you know, I put that on Tiar
Speaker 1: that he made the whole born in Mac. We got
Speaker 1: we got to deal with drive off Born to Mac.
Speaker 1: He made that whole Born in Mac movement. Like look,
Speaker 1: real fly and the niggas you know at the time,
Speaker 1: coming out of like eight six, being around Dean Hodges
Speaker 1: and Dean's house. Dean was the kind of nigger who
Speaker 1: he got a big gas bank roll in this sock.
Speaker 1: He got a bag of heroin in this sock. He
Speaker 1: got some cocaine powder on this side. He got some
Speaker 1: cocaine rocks in this sock. He given everybody to come
Speaker 1: in the house what they want. He given all the
Speaker 1: bitches what they want, all the mot It's like ballplayers,
Speaker 1: professional ballplayers coming up. He got the you know, he
Speaker 1: he's sitting down. You get to hang out with Dean,
Speaker 1: the bitches in the living room in the pan. But
Speaker 1: the bitch come walking up the hallway. Titty's out and
Speaker 1: she just walked back to the back of You're like, damn,
Speaker 1: you know he's that niggd. But everything is there, like
Speaker 1: soon as you come in, the cocaine is on on
Speaker 1: the everything free. It's a big gas box of weed
Speaker 1: under the under the seat in the living room, under
Speaker 1: the chair. It's just everything is just like just just
Speaker 1: grabbing some papers, roll you joined, put some powder up
Speaker 1: in and take your line and walk back to the bat.
Speaker 1: It was. It was that in the studio the cocaine
Speaker 1: trade sat on the board at all times. He kept
Speaker 1: these old school musician niggers. They love that ship. This
Speaker 1: nigga over there whipping his in a little jar, hitting
Speaker 1: the fucking pipe in front of everybody. They this browed
Speaker 1: over here, snorting eighty five lines and and you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, But how you working around? Now I'm
Speaker 1: nineteen years old, nigga. That ship was fun. I found
Speaker 1: myself in the movie. I was. I was looking at
Speaker 1: the movie writing about it. Now. In the Mother there
Speaker 1: was some balling ship. Back then, we wouldn't look to see.
Speaker 1: We didn't know the effects the crack until the fine
Speaker 1: brawls that was walking down the street and turning the monster.
Speaker 1: He turned the monsters. We didn't know what the effects.
Speaker 1: It was just like some ball of ship. Because the
Speaker 1: ball is back in my they smoke pre moles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we're doing that. We're crunching up the little rocket
Speaker 1: and ship and playing around. So that that's how I
Speaker 1: was getting too. So two years of like in that lifestyle.
Speaker 1: Then I get with tied Bohannan crew. And then niggas
Speaker 1: is them niggas that go somewhere and and cook up
Speaker 1: like a thing. And then after they finished putting it
Speaker 1: here and there, it's all this leftover ship dusts everywhere,
Speaker 1: and that I'm like the ship that they were. These
Speaker 1: niggas were washed down the sink and some ship that
Speaker 1: the other niggas will party on all night. And then
Speaker 1: niggas be like they've done. They've got the prophet's back
Speaker 1: that they thought all this ship down the sink, just
Speaker 1: like they weren't that nigga. Then they would smoke weed
Speaker 1: and they was like they wouldn't getting too drunk. They wouldn't.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't getting different mentality if you if you as
Speaker 1: a snorter or any of that ship, they'd be like,
Speaker 1: but I don't even hang around us. They didn't like
Speaker 1: that ship. They just they just spies that whole little
Speaker 1: usage of cocaine. So around them, I've seen I wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna be the eyeball or be like the goofball nigger
Speaker 1: and just and be like I'm the user in the crew.
Speaker 1: I'll just cut that ship out of my life. One
Speaker 1: on one and shouldn't just let it go? Fuck it.
Speaker 1: I remember I started working with teen them at eighties seven,
Speaker 1: and I just kind of like just shook all that
Speaker 1: ship because that ain't how they rode. And then it
Speaker 1: was one nigga in his crew. See was the only
Speaker 1: one who was loud and clear in front of everybody.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. He still he still storing the ship,
Speaker 1: and he he lied with it and just everything. But
Speaker 1: he bought he got money so he could do that.
Speaker 1: And then uh, I went to his house to watch
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. I will never forget this fucking day.
Speaker 1: The whole crew over there we watching the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I Chris at his house. He was being a little
Speaker 1: more loose with it, and he was higher up in
Speaker 1: the crew, so he wasn't really like being judged by
Speaker 1: the rest of them. That was just his stack. So
Speaker 1: I like, I'm gonna hint this ship. I took a
Speaker 1: one on one and and he got the sweating. I ain't.
Speaker 1: I ain't touched the ship probably like eight months or something.
Speaker 1: I got the sweating. I ain't telling nobody what I
Speaker 1: was going through. I went in the bathroom. Now I
Speaker 1: nigga sweating buckets. I'm looking in the mirror like funck
Speaker 1: like like, nigga, what the fund does this do? Like
Speaker 1: now Nigga like sitting on the on the toilet with
Speaker 1: the toilet see clothes, like like fuck, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Then they gonna end up with his mother,
Speaker 1: like you know that that prayer. You're like, God, let
Speaker 1: me get through this ship. I'm thinking, I'm thinking, my
Speaker 1: heart going wrong. All kind of ship. I come out
Speaker 1: that bathroom. You couldn't give me no cocaine for fucking
Speaker 1: twenty years after that, I'm like, funk all that ship
Speaker 1: that was. That was my lesson learning I was I
Speaker 1: was cool, was one of the man you know exactly.
Speaker 1: I have no idea but that that that was enough
Speaker 1: for me, just getting around and conditioning of some players
Speaker 1: and ballers that that look down that like stylars and
Speaker 1: then and then hit it back again and hell no,
Speaker 1: like that's I see you talking about some not only
Speaker 1: legendary deep boys, but seeing next wound up being the
Speaker 1: one that put out yuck in them. Exactly. That's putting
Speaker 1: up drew down the loomit so everybody head and I
Speaker 1: can see that. Now you say he was a little
Speaker 1: bit more um outspoken, and you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Chris was a loud while he had the long ass
Speaker 1: hair and it was yeah, man, so y'all out there
Speaker 1: on smash pretty much. Now, Man, y'all got the thing going.
Speaker 1: Because I know it didn't hit l A v IP records.
Speaker 1: They had to take everything because you know I talk,
Speaker 1: and that's what he talked about. He said, Man, I
Speaker 1: remember shorten him just come in here with a thousand
Speaker 1: tapes and we bought all thousand the motherfucker's and he'd
Speaker 1: be up the road somewhere. Bro literally was just trump
Speaker 1: like like the city. You knew that people you could
Speaker 1: drop them off with, come back and get it later.
Speaker 1: You knew the people that would just buy my right.
Speaker 1: And then I knew the little one stops that are
Speaker 1: shipping out to other stories of people I didn't know.
Speaker 1: So we just kndn't manage to literally, brod I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna life. I had nothing to go on on how
Speaker 1: to run this business except drug dealing. So basically we
Speaker 1: looked at everything like it was the cop. You flipped
Speaker 1: the ship, you make your profit, you save your real money.
Speaker 1: You flipped the ship. That's how I didn't even know
Speaker 1: how to think about the ship any other way. And
Speaker 1: literally that's what we did. We we just was selling dopeful.
Speaker 1: I even called the ship dope fee music. It was
Speaker 1: that was, that was this mentality because there was a
Speaker 1: lot of dudes who was out the trunk back and
Speaker 1: then even down here, I said, the Todd and Spade
Speaker 1: and all in. We had a few dudes no matter
Speaker 1: how much, no matter how much motherfucking money I made
Speaker 1: off music, and I was getting it. I was never
Speaker 1: the nigga in the crew, you know, the niggas with
Speaker 1: the money. I would never got up where they was at.
Speaker 1: Never they had too much. So man, so y'all rolling on, Man,
Speaker 1: I want you to go back to that exact moment. Man,
Speaker 1: when Job Rickets called, you don't want to know you know,
Speaker 1: how was you feeling? Man like? Job wasn't really like
Speaker 1: it wasn't like niggas was jumping for joy and like
Speaker 1: happy because the label called It's nineteen eight. When I
Speaker 1: got the call from Job, we've been running this born
Speaker 1: in Mac. I'm about to I'm about to put another
Speaker 1: album together. I was, I was about to put the
Speaker 1: life this Too Short together and just keep doing what
Speaker 1: I do, and Jib called and it wasn't it was
Speaker 1: never about the money they was offering. It was it
Speaker 1: wasn't even about a label deal. It was really like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, these the motherfucker's that put out Kumo D.
Speaker 1: Who deny who else they ahead at the time, because
Speaker 1: that was enough right there for me though, because Kumo
Speaker 1: D was top dog, that Kumod was top dog and
Speaker 1: who didn't he got a damn right when they signed me.
Speaker 1: They signed they signed Bookie Down Productions, they signed me,
Speaker 1: they signed will Smith Fresh Friends, and they was you know,
Speaker 1: they were just into it. It was it was going there,
Speaker 1: you know. So I'm like, and I think it was
Speaker 1: a good choice of me. I've had a lot of
Speaker 1: the good artists back then. Jib was it was the
Speaker 1: right type of label for what I was doing because
Speaker 1: they wasn't really like Death Jam was like no at all,
Speaker 1: Like I would have went over the Death Jam signed
Speaker 1: up and rusting them would have probably been manipulating me
Speaker 1: to pushing me in a certain direction and convinced me
Speaker 1: because they know more than me, like do this, do that,
Speaker 1: and they'd have made a nigga like like be some
Speaker 1: kind of superstar and some ship. And I was like, no, nigga,
Speaker 1: I'm didn't need to do a show for twenty five
Speaker 1: thou people and walk right the funk off the stage
Speaker 1: into the crowd and not back to the backstage, right
Speaker 1: to the mother crowd and started working with the people
Speaker 1: in the crowd and don't give a fuck, like literally
Speaker 1: walked through the whole damn arena and death Jam wouldn't
Speaker 1: let me. They wouldn't let me do that. Then death
Speaker 1: Jam was like, you gotta have you gotta be a superstar,
Speaker 1: you gotta be key be you know, over project, and
Speaker 1: like you want to be a pimp, We're gonna make
Speaker 1: you super pimp and some ship. But I was spounds
Speaker 1: and extra speaking of the pimp and must depart from that. Man.
Speaker 1: I got asks. I always wanted to ask you who
Speaker 1: you were ever really a pen So the dream was,
Speaker 1: you know, your parents be like I need you to
Speaker 1: go do something productive in the world, and then you're
Speaker 1: rebelling with this hip hop ship, nobody believing that the
Speaker 1: ship is gonna work. So my backup plan was always
Speaker 1: I think I could break a health. I think I
Speaker 1: could do this ship. So I never had to do
Speaker 1: it out of necessity. But later in life, um ship
Speaker 1: just started happening. Man, Like my homies who really pimp
Speaker 1: that I've been hanging around my whole life. It's funny
Speaker 1: to them, and some of them even would get mad
Speaker 1: at me for not taking advantage because we'd be in
Speaker 1: a moment and some bit should be star struck on
Speaker 1: two short, but then she's a real hole and she'd
Speaker 1: be hitting. Like they go what I would, I would
Speaker 1: if you know what I'm saying, and then I just
Speaker 1: kind of like shake it out. They're like, Brad, you're
Speaker 1: sucking up like you could be the biggest pimp out here.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, Nigga, if I'm the biggest pimp out
Speaker 1: here and I'm making two short records, I'm going to
Speaker 1: jail nigger instantly. So I had a little thing that
Speaker 1: I would do. Man, It's just like I just give
Speaker 1: my my feet with a little bit. Like I felt
Speaker 1: like if I had to tell a bit to go
Speaker 1: hope for me, then I'm doing too much. But if
Speaker 1: a hope came to me and said I funk with
Speaker 1: you and just be giving me money, then I'm like,
Speaker 1: I funk with you too, and I knew how to
Speaker 1: play the role, and I purposely like all the bitches
Speaker 1: that that got down with me for however long they
Speaker 1: got down. If if they think back on they'd be
Speaker 1: like this motherfucking never do used to ask me for
Speaker 1: the money, Like you'd be like, bitch, what you got?
Speaker 1: I would just be like, you know, the moment we
Speaker 1: see each other, you know what, you know what the
Speaker 1: transaction is. But I'm not I'm not gonna be like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's all you got. I'm just I'm telling it, like
Speaker 1: let me tell you. They're like, oh, ship bread, But
Speaker 1: then you know, I live in Vegas of ten years. Man.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's differently when when the a bitches like
Speaker 1: a wild cat out there, like really on the proud
Speaker 1: every day, six seven days a week, and she just
Speaker 1: getting working. That's that's that's a job for you. It
Speaker 1: sounds like she's doing all the work. But I promise you,
Speaker 1: I promise you. Uh, if you have two bitches running
Speaker 1: routes every day, you can't really do much else with
Speaker 1: your life except tending them to bitches, because it's that
Speaker 1: much of a job just keeping them on track. Uh.
Speaker 1: I mean, Luckily, in some situations, it's worth it because
Speaker 1: if you got if each one of them brows is
Speaker 1: making fifteen twenty a month and they're giving it all
Speaker 1: to you and just just you and them to brows
Speaker 1: and pody Jesus is a nice, nice lifestyle, you know.
Speaker 1: So um, I just did I can't deal with Like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I go do I go do a weekend as concerts.
Speaker 1: I'm getting, you know, teen racks for a club, fifteen
Speaker 1: twenty for these big radio shows, different ships, and I'm
Speaker 1: going out like every weekend doing something and then he'll
Speaker 1: go to bid. She running like five ranks a week.
Speaker 1: But the bitches like stressing me the funk out, like
Speaker 1: like she got rights in my life? Where the fun
Speaker 1: like bitch calling phone, the money, what you're doing, I'm
Speaker 1: just sitting there, Oh you're just sitting on your asks
Speaker 1: while I'm out here running from the police like bitch,
Speaker 1: fuck you, like you know what I'm saying. So like
Speaker 1: it gets to the home. But she really wanted that.
Speaker 1: You know, they'd be thinking more than that. They'd be
Speaker 1: thinking like they'd be thinking other ship too, Like they
Speaker 1: were like I'm a whole for two years and then
Speaker 1: this they're gonna marry me we have a family. They'd
Speaker 1: be thinking all kind of ship like it's always it's
Speaker 1: always that, there's always a goal at the end. You
Speaker 1: ain't even gonna get it a whole, right, If you
Speaker 1: don't get it a goal, there's gotta be a goal.
Speaker 1: So I just learned that man that that old fucking
Speaker 1: therapist ship and then sucking four in the morning call
Speaker 1: with a drunk, crazy bitch talking ship ain't worth. It
Speaker 1: ain't worth the bitch coming in the door saying, look,
Speaker 1: I stole the rolex and the hit and nig is
Speaker 1: safe for fifteen thousand. That should make you feel good
Speaker 1: at the moment, but it ain't working in the long run.
Speaker 1: When I'm sitting out here sucking, I got me a
Speaker 1: jidass hustle and a bitch get mad and say, uh oh,
Speaker 1: I've been a vice. Would like to know what you
Speaker 1: really do? Like bitch, bitch just pushing buttons. At the
Speaker 1: same time, what if the bitch did go down to
Speaker 1: the motherfuckering's vice like make up some wild as stories.
Speaker 1: Goddamn change every pimp take though, So it was a
Speaker 1: chance I didn't want to take. So like I said,
Speaker 1: Like I said, Like I said, I avoided this ship skillfully. Uh.
Speaker 1: Some niggas laughed it off. I thought it was funny.
Speaker 1: Other niggas was like, nigga crazy for not indulgent. But
Speaker 1: I think I made the right choice. It wasn't It
Speaker 1: wasn't what I wanted to do full time, so I
Speaker 1: couldn't do it part time. And at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, you got all these records to what you're
Speaker 1: talking about, you pimping and the broad hand of the vice.
Speaker 1: They say, oh we got the maga motherfucker that story
Speaker 1: on the mother record right there. I was at the
Speaker 1: NBA All Star and this this hole came up to
Speaker 1: me and she was just talking and ship and which
Speaker 1: she was a whole I guess, and she was talking
Speaker 1: to her out of pocket whatever. But the bitch was
Speaker 1: saying something to me about pimping and hoeing and I
Speaker 1: just was, you know, it was a fly asc fitters whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, look, I don't you know, I've
Speaker 1: been making records and ship. I ain't really like out
Speaker 1: here pimper no house. And she said, what I thought,
Speaker 1: you just come? She looked chicken. Something is that baby?
Speaker 1: I guess what this nigga ain't well pimp so I'm
Speaker 1: with these gangster as niggas and it bit get like
Speaker 1: like two three sentences into some like disrespectful ship and
Speaker 1: niggas is like, bra, I'm gonna say this one time. Man,
Speaker 1: get that bitch man, just get her. She was she
Speaker 1: was hurt. M she was hurt her fellows was hurting
Speaker 1: the reality of of of what they depicted as you
Speaker 1: as an artist and what they hear on the music.
Speaker 1: It confuses, But did everybody look at it like that?
Speaker 1: If I'm rapping the ball, killing and beating them up, pucker,
Speaker 1: this is what deception of you is. They feel you
Speaker 1: live that nfe. So, ain't nothing wrong with with pimping,
Speaker 1: part time pimping, or just you know, stagnating in the
Speaker 1: pipping game. You know, I'm here, I'm there, I got
Speaker 1: some bitches and and it is what it is. But
Speaker 1: I can't live like that. Spice One went on his
Speaker 1: first tour niggas like, Nigga, let me say, how gangs
Speaker 1: you are, honey with DJ equipment on his first two
Speaker 1: that Nigga had to fight every crip in America. Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: It's sometimes, like I said, sometimes the fans will test
Speaker 1: your motherfucking abilities and ship and when you I mean
Speaker 1: you do in certain ways. But I could say when
Speaker 1: we went on tour Um, we really didn't get funcked
Speaker 1: with that much by a lot of cats. I mean,
Speaker 1: whether it was crips or bloods or niggas from a
Speaker 1: lot of different sections. First time went to San Diego,
Speaker 1: it was like a blood thirst. It's like it's nothing
Speaker 1: but bloods out here. I mean, the first time we
Speaker 1: went to watch ship. The first time I went to
Speaker 1: motherfucking Flagstaff or Phoenix or something like that. Not Phoenix
Speaker 1: but something else. Mother, Oh my god, he said, Oh
Speaker 1: my god. When I'm talking about Nick Cave about the
Speaker 1: dressing room and our asses come down there. We get
Speaker 1: stage curtain clothes, we got all blue head to toe
Speaker 1: and ship. When I'm talking about they pulled that curtains
Speaker 1: back and it was a motherfucking arena and all we
Speaker 1: saw was ready I'm talking about girls with red rag
Speaker 1: belts on and bow rats and combs and everything. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I still had to go
Speaker 1: out there. He was paid, got paid everything, and it
Speaker 1: was cool as a motherfucker. They still with the bag. Now,
Speaker 1: Oh they're gonna let you perform and I ain't just
Speaker 1: taking my blood. It's crips to same situation. They're gonna
Speaker 1: let you perform, but as soon as your motherucking' asks
Speaker 1: get through performing believing the niggas at the back door
Speaker 1: ready if they don't want to know, Because you gotta
Speaker 1: remember this dog, you gotta nigga is sitting at home
Speaker 1: all day and he don't took his bach to the
Speaker 1: show with him, right, She's sitting around all day talking
Speaker 1: about whoa what the hell of the nigga you wiels?
Speaker 1: And so he'd go there. He's about to try to
Speaker 1: show all the front of that bix like show you
Speaker 1: nigga like me here rap nick, I'm a real nigger.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's a whole bunch of sixy wass
Speaker 1: like that. You know, speaking of gangster ship short we
Speaker 1: all called the Gangster chronicles, man. So you're going through
Speaker 1: this period man with these guys. Things is going good, man, y'all.
Speaker 1: There's stilling a lot of records, man, and they're selling
Speaker 1: a lot of dope at the same time. A lot
Speaker 1: of dope being sold the same time. So at some
Speaker 1: point you'll have a separation. And we we got a
Speaker 1: good uh, we got a good five year run, like
Speaker 1: from we ran from what eighties seven to about ninety three,
Speaker 1: But we got a good running and it just you know,
Speaker 1: Minister Society, the movie started the end of our little
Speaker 1: click that clicked from table heading. Then it was it
Speaker 1: was I don't know if it was just time, and
Speaker 1: it always we look back on these situations, you go,
Speaker 1: this ship was so small compared to what the big
Speaker 1: picture was. It was. But I do Minutes Society, and
Speaker 1: we got a company together. We run in Dangerous Music.
Speaker 1: We're a company, partners in the company, and he got
Speaker 1: a He got a pretty good return on his money
Speaker 1: because the the initial investment, you know, bought him in
Speaker 1: as a partner, and we've made a lot of money
Speaker 1: as a company because we started signing other artists too,
Speaker 1: and it was it was going real good. And we
Speaker 1: all did our part. You know, even even though Tad
Speaker 1: was in the streets, he was truly all the way
Speaker 1: into the label. And we was we made all all decisions.
Speaker 1: We ran this ship and I went to do Minutes
Speaker 1: to Society. And then mind you, we fall out as
Speaker 1: a crew, different members of the crew, we follow out.
Speaker 1: We whatever we we all we get it back. That's
Speaker 1: my my nimes that it's always been that way. And
Speaker 1: Chris came down to l a. Yeah, he came down.
Speaker 1: He uh, he came and sniffed around the set and
Speaker 1: as you know, just pulled up on my fucking ship
Speaker 1: and you know, we're all good and ship and and
Speaker 1: Chris that MINS Society they paid me like sixty racks
Speaker 1: or some ship something like that. And I remember, um,
Speaker 1: I got the check and it was like thirty racks.
Speaker 1: They just took the automatically took the ship out. I
Speaker 1: gotta I got a thirty thousand on the check to
Speaker 1: be in Mins Society wasn't really it was the movie. Look,
Speaker 1: it wasn't took the money off. You know, this check
Speaker 1: came to me and some shift I wouldn't did, as
Speaker 1: I'm not making music. It was it was for being
Speaker 1: in the movie. So I'm not making music. That's not
Speaker 1: a part of my music thing and that and I
Speaker 1: just went and got a little side hustle and did
Speaker 1: did the ship. So Chris went back and said that
Speaker 1: they he told Teddy he was like, you know, he
Speaker 1: did probably did the hype voice nand he did love
Speaker 1: something something and then ted hits me up. It was like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: we heard you. They got a hunted racks and you know,
Speaker 1: ship men, you ain't doing the business right. But but
Speaker 1: I'm like, bron, that's we we got a music company.
Speaker 1: Like if I if I was to go off and
Speaker 1: be an actor or something, I'm not giving y'all a
Speaker 1: percentage of that ship's stop music. So so tear's my nigga.
Speaker 1: We we love once to this day. We had a
Speaker 1: long fall out, but we loved once to this day.
Speaker 1: And he said to me at some point he said, well,
Speaker 1: fucking man, uh, just just just send me my check.
Speaker 1: Like like he kind of like tapped out, like I
Speaker 1: don't sunk with y'all no more, and kind of like
Speaker 1: tapped down. It's like, just send me my money. So
Speaker 1: before I could get into that, you know, I'm I
Speaker 1: got you know, we got niggas, got cruise, We got
Speaker 1: different niggas you're sunk with all around the city. So
Speaker 1: I got some wild bunch of niggas I'll run with
Speaker 1: who I really hang out with because telling them it
Speaker 1: was always on the safe side, laid back. They didn't
Speaker 1: really like clubbing a lot and all that. So I
Speaker 1: have a little wild bunch that I run around with
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm consulting in my niggas. I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: niggas said, you know, just give him his money. And
Speaker 1: then Nigga's just kind of fall back and don't really participants.
Speaker 1: So we're looking. We're looking at this ship like that's
Speaker 1: like pimping to me, Like, Nigga, i' I'm gonna kick back.
Speaker 1: I don't gonna get my money and bring my money back, bitch,
Speaker 1: So let me say, let me when do you say,
Speaker 1: give me my money? Can share the company? He was like,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna keep your hunting down from the movie,
Speaker 1: which I told him, they gotta say they gave me
Speaker 1: thirty is my money whatever. So he said, you're gonna
Speaker 1: keep the money, then Nigga ain't suing people, bah blah blah.
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, well, damn bron man. Nigga's always
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I can't, like, I can't work and
Speaker 1: pay you a percentage and you're not hustling with me.
Speaker 1: I just guy can't do that. So then the ship
Speaker 1: it got. It was one little gangster moment and that
Speaker 1: now the money. At the same time, my niggas that
Speaker 1: I'm running with it gets real complicated in likee my
Speaker 1: niggas are running with are now if involved in a
Speaker 1: murdered deaf kill all out war with niggas that's affiliated
Speaker 1: with Ted. So telling them, they tell me one day
Speaker 1: they're like, they like, if we see them and you
Speaker 1: went him, we ain't gonna try to miss you. That
Speaker 1: were all hanging out eating eating something, dropping it up, smoking,
Speaker 1: we we music niggas, And the niggas say, if if
Speaker 1: we see you with him trying to mix, it ain't
Speaker 1: gonna be no special treatment. So it should start getting
Speaker 1: real political for me. So then when that that part happened,
Speaker 1: so the party happened where he said we just give
Speaker 1: my money to ship just started falling apart. So um
Speaker 1: Efty did his uh yearly picnic out the way out
Speaker 1: there where they're from Fairfield Valeo, and we go to
Speaker 1: the e forty picnic and we just happened to like
Speaker 1: you know, we got we got mob deep whatever whenever, whenever, whatever.
Speaker 1: But on this day we go out there phone niggas
Speaker 1: in one car and one pistol. So and the pistol
Speaker 1: was my pistol. So I got the little strap on me.
Speaker 1: I had like a little clock on them, and then uh,
Speaker 1: we pull up in the park. We weren't even tripping
Speaker 1: on like you just always have a strap. We wasn't
Speaker 1: tripping on that. We gotta have a strap. It wasn't
Speaker 1: even have thought. But then we pull up on a
Speaker 1: ten them at the picnic. It's a big gas park.
Speaker 1: It's thousands of motherfucker's out here like it's hat and
Speaker 1: we pull up on ten and them and they worked
Speaker 1: this a little like like this little maneuver like uh,
Speaker 1: kind of spread out a little bit and these are
Speaker 1: nigg like money niggas and ship, like you got the
Speaker 1: little street niggas and ship, but it's like niggas in
Speaker 1: like money more. We're going to the forty picnic. We
Speaker 1: ain't really like coming to this motherfucker for a fighting
Speaker 1: that and all that ship and uh, they start kind
Speaker 1: of like the approach and ship. He come over me
Speaker 1: and he're telling me the whole ship like kind of
Speaker 1: like kind of kind of checking, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And I was one of the homies. Uh he was
Speaker 1: like before we walked upon and he was like, give
Speaker 1: me that strap. So he plot plot and ted to
Speaker 1: talk a little bit and he's say, man, we ain't
Speaker 1: really trying to hear all this ship right now, man,
Speaker 1: when they ain't gonna give you nothing, it ain't gonna
Speaker 1: be like that or whatever. The fun and they say
Speaker 1: because they was like the niggas is like like up
Speaker 1: they got angles on this all kind of ship. And
Speaker 1: Nigga said, you can tell these niggas to do anything
Speaker 1: you want to hear. He said, all you put you
Speaker 1: show him the strap he's saying. He saying, all I
Speaker 1: know is I'll go fun what they do, I'm killing
Speaker 1: you out here, and all the nigga stood down. The
Speaker 1: later we went and enjoyed the picnic and nobody had
Speaker 1: no problem with nobody. I think later on at the
Speaker 1: end of the picnic, they tried to catch one of
Speaker 1: my rapper homies, Goldie, and and sent him through some
Speaker 1: dramas and ship chased him up out of there or
Speaker 1: something caught of walking into this car chases. That's all
Speaker 1: that happened, and sucking um from their own, you know.
Speaker 1: I basically uh Tar kind of calmed down a little bit.
Speaker 1: We talked after a while and it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: let's just it's already in the in the contract. We
Speaker 1: got together his partners that we just just all the
Speaker 1: company and you take your cut and keep it pushing.
Speaker 1: So I had two partners back then, Randy that which
Speaker 1: was Dean's cousin, and Ted. Jerry had fall He fell out,
Speaker 1: way back, way down the line. We lost Jerry, the
Speaker 1: little brother. We lost him. He didn't he didn't have
Speaker 1: a He he mad at me right now, you love
Speaker 1: me like a brother, but stay mad at me. But
Speaker 1: the politics bron so then I literally just it was
Speaker 1: probably when I moved to Atlanta, I broke Tad off something.
Speaker 1: You know, this this the company. I brought Randy off
Speaker 1: sat and the company, and I just changed the whole ship.
Speaker 1: And I ain't looking back since. So it was, you know,
Speaker 1: it was supposed to happen. No, we could have liked Chris,
Speaker 1: the whole ship, the politics, it could have been without
Speaker 1: that ship. Man. But you know, so pretty much just
Speaker 1: the average na till and Nigga running back talking about
Speaker 1: some ship he don't know, telling somebody something gonna kicked up.
Speaker 1: A whole bunch of dis man. I made way more
Speaker 1: money much. I made way more money after that than
Speaker 1: I did before before all that ship. If the best
Speaker 1: you have to come, they have no idea. I was going,
Speaker 1: they're gonna run and they jumped ship, so it didn't
Speaker 1: know only happened that the Carmos a motherfucker. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know they he could have fell off after that,
Speaker 1: or it could have been you know whatever James often do.
Speaker 1: We had them conversations, man, because it all goes back
Speaker 1: and this is the old step and it all goes
Speaker 1: back to sings coming down pretty much almost like would
Speaker 1: intend to just kicking up starting some ship. But that
Speaker 1: kind of was his personality. We just wasn't posted. It
Speaker 1: wasn't puposed to get that serious. You know. If I
Speaker 1: got on the phone and say, bro, I really got
Speaker 1: thirty racks explained to him that money could have been
Speaker 1: like we just getting money from different ships. Like it
Speaker 1: could have been like this, Bro, we got a podcast together.
Speaker 1: Run James go out there tomorrow and they say, man,
Speaker 1: we want to book you to play this part of
Speaker 1: the thing. He could get a million dollars me and
Speaker 1: they can't coming him like James, Man, what's up? We
Speaker 1: need to cut of that. You know that don't make
Speaker 1: no sense at what I tell you When you said
Speaker 1: that if if if they take me and they don't
Speaker 1: take all three they ain't. I'm not talking about that ship.
Speaker 1: Fuck that ship still. If you know what the code
Speaker 1: part about it is, you have what we call clicks,
Speaker 1: the homies kicking it. But then at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, before we get rich, somebody fall off. The motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Because now we're thinking that m I see this nag
Speaker 1: count his money. I want you to bathroom. I know
Speaker 1: he puts him in his pocket. That's how we think
Speaker 1: right now, we're thinking all funked up. Now. I wanted
Speaker 1: if he got I wonder if he got more than
Speaker 1: I got. I wonder if he got more than I
Speaker 1: watched that ship with with with with Shog in his company,
Speaker 1: with all these different motherfucker's that was in it. How
Speaker 1: people was mad how much money they was making and
Speaker 1: what they wouldn't getting, and it fox everything up. We
Speaker 1: ain't worked together. That's why I tell him, gangs, your
Speaker 1: chronicles is gonna work together. Bryan, come to this motherfucker. Now,
Speaker 1: you only gotta pay me. I'm just working with y'all.
Speaker 1: But ship were all going to get the check. We're
Speaker 1: all gonna eat and we don't have to. But the
Speaker 1: ones that didn't want to be there work their way
Speaker 1: out the situation, definitely, And it's just like it's a
Speaker 1: cycle shutting down. So when I look back on all
Speaker 1: this ship though, I go on like runs, like it's
Speaker 1: just a run. We get a run, I get a
Speaker 1: run in with a group of people, and we get
Speaker 1: a bag and we're on that run. It's gonna come
Speaker 1: to an end, and some of us gonna stay friends
Speaker 1: for life, and some of us gonna forget each other
Speaker 1: and we're gonna let men see each other again, and
Speaker 1: just we gotta run. I could have been it's been
Speaker 1: so long now. I mean I could have been best
Speaker 1: friends with the motherfucker for three years and from ninety
Speaker 1: eighty nine to ninety two we're best friends. I don't
Speaker 1: remember that motherfucker right now. It's been that. It's been
Speaker 1: that many places and faces and set up shops and
Speaker 1: you know, saying, real motherfucker's don't come and go like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, when they fake and ship, they they they're
Speaker 1: gonna come and go. Real motherfucker should be around if
Speaker 1: y'all got the same agenda, y'all trying to reach the
Speaker 1: same motherfucking destination. But fake motherfucker's they just want to
Speaker 1: get in at that point, John, jump on the motherfucking
Speaker 1: train and then jump off when there's another when it's
Speaker 1: a better situation. Let me ask you a six question. Sure,
Speaker 1: I ain't trying to be message, we don't want to
Speaker 1: play the shows, but that situation wouldn't have nothing to
Speaker 1: do with the reason why I see you next. You
Speaker 1: got to the ask. See it's all related, but it's
Speaker 1: all related. But what happened after after that? So I
Speaker 1: moved to Atlanta basically because niggas that I knew in
Speaker 1: love was killing the funk out each other and it
Speaker 1: wasn't coming to the end. It was like, really the
Speaker 1: small ass city like just it's like probably like if
Speaker 1: a war was going on in Company, they had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with l A and it's like a compan
Speaker 1: it's like a straight East Oakland thing, and it's a
Speaker 1: fucking war. And the city is so small you can't
Speaker 1: even really like get gash. You can't you can't use
Speaker 1: a phone booth, you can't motherfucking stop by your auntie
Speaker 1: husk because never everybody know everything, know where the funk
Speaker 1: you be. So niggas is getting it like a nigga
Speaker 1: who you know you noticed niggas stay on the defense,
Speaker 1: but somebody walked up to his car and shot him.
Speaker 1: Who welcome to your car and shot you somebody? You
Speaker 1: fucking no, you stay on the defense and nigga just
Speaker 1: walk up and shoot you in the car. That's somebody.
Speaker 1: You fucking new that. It started being like that, and
Speaker 1: it's like I just felt like, I'm like, man, the
Speaker 1: way this is going, I'm like, because niggas was like
Speaker 1: nigas in homicide fucking serial killer mode. This nigga's out there,
Speaker 1: It's like I'm trying to get away with a lot
Speaker 1: of murders right now. I'm trying to kill everybody I
Speaker 1: don't like. And then they're bunch of them niggas is
Speaker 1: roaming the streets and I'm like, damn, somebody I know
Speaker 1: it's probably gonna kill me, and it's just gonna be
Speaker 1: like whatever reason funk you up because you hang out
Speaker 1: with them niggas or something like, Man, I sized that
Speaker 1: land up. I'm like, man, I'm I'm fucking about to
Speaker 1: go kicking. When they're having the party they having freak
Speaker 1: nick Jack the rapper like the police and open is
Speaker 1: like wearing me the funk out. I ain't got no license,
Speaker 1: can't stop me. Every time they see me. They handcuffing me,
Speaker 1: searching me, arresting me, releasing me, just fucking with me
Speaker 1: and fucking h I go that land of the police
Speaker 1: is like, what's up? Too short? I'm like, this killing
Speaker 1: as harassing as chip I'm gonna enjoy. It's like when
Speaker 1: you go down there, man, it kind of makes you
Speaker 1: feel good because you go down there, you go to
Speaker 1: a restaurant, you see a black woman in the kitchen
Speaker 1: actually making me a soul getting my people. I love everybody,
Speaker 1: but it's just on the soulful spot. It was. It
Speaker 1: was a different look to see that in the nineties.
Speaker 1: It was just a different just to see everything just
Speaker 1: lacking in the police, everybody just just it was black love.
Speaker 1: So I get down to Atlanta. It's ninety four, the
Speaker 1: beginning that I've moved to my house, like right at
Speaker 1: Christmas nine three, So it's ninety four. I'm in Atlanta
Speaker 1: and the loonis who pretty much all the ship that
Speaker 1: was going down musically even was was inspired by us
Speaker 1: or you know, somehow you got the game that I
Speaker 1: the game that I got from Dean. I get the
Speaker 1: game to the whole fucking city. I gave everybody the
Speaker 1: game on how you fucking this is what you do.
Speaker 1: You gotta get your ship man, you gotta go get
Speaker 1: in mad faith, you gotta take it over here to
Speaker 1: sell it. I told everybody the game. If you can
Speaker 1: get you're a rapper. If you can find it a
Speaker 1: deep way with some money, I'll show you how to
Speaker 1: do it. Chris did the formula. They all did the formula,
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of niggas. And Chris had brought the
Speaker 1: Louis around a while ago. Drew Down, his first album
Speaker 1: was made in my studio by Aunt Banks. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: I never got a dime off drew Down album. I
Speaker 1: never got a dime from Banks for that. I never
Speaker 1: got a dye for studio time. That was the homie,
Speaker 1: you Know's what I'm saying. That's like it was Chris.
Speaker 1: Artists use the studio, go ahead, yeah, banks, just pay
Speaker 1: banks and look it up. So the Looney's come out
Speaker 1: with this fucking song called player Hater and the song
Speaker 1: says there's something some ship about some hater ass motherfucker
Speaker 1: and be like, and that's all I said, That's why
Speaker 1: the town got rid of Short. And I'm like, these
Speaker 1: the Little Homies. I'm like, y'all niggers can't say that.
Speaker 1: And the radio station played it a lot, they put
Speaker 1: it in rotation. So I had a song I dropped
Speaker 1: called Cocktails, m H. And Cocktails was getting a lot
Speaker 1: of love. The video was dope. It was getting love everywhere.
Speaker 1: All the cities that was loving me, Detroit, Chicago, they
Speaker 1: wouldn't play it. The Bay radio station wouldn't play Cocktails,
Speaker 1: and and I cornered them, I'm like, you know, so,
Speaker 1: what's the reason why you want to spending They're like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, we were more into supporting the local artists,
Speaker 1: which was some bullshit there was. I don't know why
Speaker 1: they turned on me, but it was like, we're more
Speaker 1: supporting the local artists, and you moved to Atlanta, so
Speaker 1: it's kind of like you out of sight, you out
Speaker 1: of mind, and you know, there's nothing personal, but we
Speaker 1: just we just promote the local scene. So that was
Speaker 1: that was the beginning ninety five. So the summer jam
Speaker 1: I'm mad now because they didn't they didn't support my record.
Speaker 1: The radio station used to call us when they needed
Speaker 1: some a good look in the community. They call us.
Speaker 1: They called niggas like me and be like, can you
Speaker 1: be a part of this event? So this the community,
Speaker 1: you know, we're down. It's a radio station. Came in
Speaker 1: on one of six, but they used to be a
Speaker 1: rock station in the eighties. So when they started doing
Speaker 1: hip hop and ship people was like still on the
Speaker 1: other station, cas or ell. They had to kind of
Speaker 1: like do some things that win them over. So people
Speaker 1: like me showing up to their events, help them start
Speaker 1: getting listeners, help them just get a you know, certified
Speaker 1: in the hood. So I was mad at they played
Speaker 1: the song. Then I was mad that they didn't play
Speaker 1: my song. So I pull up to the Summer Jam
Speaker 1: and fucking um, I just pull up there, you know,
Speaker 1: and no credentials, nothing, and they're like, I performed at
Speaker 1: the previous two summer jams. So they're like, we'll give
Speaker 1: me some passes. They gave me four passes if they
Speaker 1: sucked around and gave me the stick on passes every
Speaker 1: time we walked in their phone niggas. Every time we
Speaker 1: walked in there, one of the homies went out with
Speaker 1: the with the foe passes and came back in with
Speaker 1: three new niggas. We did that ship. We got like
Speaker 1: fifty niggas up in there by the time by the
Speaker 1: time they realized what we had done that they wanted
Speaker 1: starting negotiating and asking us if we were all cool y'all,
Speaker 1: like we ain't leaving back out, like you know what,
Speaker 1: what what's up anyone? I'm I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm coming
Speaker 1: them down. We ain't here to do nothing. Man, all
Speaker 1: you gotta do is you've got the whole bay area
Speaker 1: out there. You got to walk me and the Looney's
Speaker 1: out there and tell the motherfucking bay that ain't no
Speaker 1: motherfucking beef because they turned the ship into like like
Speaker 1: the Loonies was so young and gangster that they let
Speaker 1: me pulled up on me. Was like you got to
Speaker 1: move by the Oakland nigga like that. That's what the
Speaker 1: That's what the word went. And I was like, i
Speaker 1: ain't gonna fight whatever your rumor is. I'm just just
Speaker 1: standing up and tell the bag that a number leve
Speaker 1: between the Loonies and me, because immediately after the ship
Speaker 1: came out, they was like, man, we was just mad
Speaker 1: and it wasn't even like that because you we thought
Speaker 1: she was gonna sign us or or the day when
Speaker 1: were it was over the battle rapping one of my
Speaker 1: little rappers one day and we all hiked it like
Speaker 1: like the loonies loss and rap around in one it
Speaker 1: was feelings hurt. It was like a lot of ship.
Speaker 1: So that's the story Chris was saying the day at
Speaker 1: the summer Jam. He was trying to explain it to us,
Speaker 1: the story about about how they looked up to me
Speaker 1: and I heard they feelings and they made the song
Speaker 1: because it was you know, they was mad. But then
Speaker 1: one of my homies was in the room that we
Speaker 1: chopping up, chopping it up with and a lot of
Speaker 1: niggas don't know that the back story, but the homie
Speaker 1: and Chris was sucking the same broad at some point
Speaker 1: in time, and the broad told the broad toe the
Speaker 1: other homie, not Chris. She told the other homie that
Speaker 1: Chris said, you know, I don't even know why you
Speaker 1: with them broadcast niggas or while you're sucking that broadcast nigga,
Speaker 1: you know, like like he got more money than the
Speaker 1: nigga pillow talking, which is always be chelling some ship
Speaker 1: when you're sitting there telling the bitch while you're laying
Speaker 1: sideways something bad about the next niggas somehow the ship
Speaker 1: always get back to the nigga. So so the homie
Speaker 1: was like Christmas, just talking story. We kind of like
Speaker 1: we was trying to work out the thing where we
Speaker 1: could walk on stage and ship and the homies just
Speaker 1: sitting there twitching and ship looking at Chris to other's
Speaker 1: sucking story about the loonies uh being phyllis hurt and ship.
Speaker 1: And then he just yelled out, ain't about all that
Speaker 1: fucking ship, Chris and just two pieces in the ship
Speaker 1: and kicked him in. They turned the story and then
Speaker 1: we jumped into some ship. But really it was all
Speaker 1: emotional and Nigga was all he was only mad about
Speaker 1: the bitch and with the bitch said he had been
Speaker 1: mad about this ship, and I like the other version
Speaker 1: of the story. And to go out a lot and
Speaker 1: make it seem so gangsous like we wrote him. To
Speaker 1: the concert, Vintide dragged the nigga, beat him down and
Speaker 1: ship did not happen. It didn't happen. The radio station
Speaker 1: tried to um to do a slander campaign on me
Speaker 1: after after the concert, and they tried to say they
Speaker 1: put the story out there. We did all that ship
Speaker 1: like we came up there like like like start a ride,
Speaker 1: and they shut the show down early. It was supposed
Speaker 1: to be like two more groups that went on. Forty
Speaker 1: didn't didn't get to go on that night. They tried
Speaker 1: to start some ship between me and for it. All
Speaker 1: this ship, all this ship came from the whole. It's
Speaker 1: all like a downblod effect. Like literally the reason why
Speaker 1: me and E forty make a million songs right now
Speaker 1: to this day is because of that concert and at
Speaker 1: incident and the fact that the radio station tried to
Speaker 1: turn us against each other. And we've been homing with
Speaker 1: some motherfucker alone E forty and his brother and uh
Speaker 1: my nigga p and all the niggas in from Oakland.
Speaker 1: The Niga is Oakland. Niga is just all sell dope
Speaker 1: together and had been family and rans blown before the
Speaker 1: radio station try to turn me and Forty against each other.
Speaker 1: They're like a radio station tried to try to get
Speaker 1: into like like the whole other side of like get
Speaker 1: involved in some street ship and like and canceled me
Speaker 1: out of some ship. They thought they was gonna turn
Speaker 1: Forty on me, and then Forty and his crew they
Speaker 1: big inside of something. They're just gonna smash me. I
Speaker 1: don't know what the funk They thought, I don't know,
Speaker 1: and then they thought that they was gonna tell people
Speaker 1: because they're the radio station, to stop supporting Too Short.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, I'm like, nigg even though y'all ain't
Speaker 1: playing my record, the whole damn Bay Area bought the
Speaker 1: record and everybody loving the album, like you can't. You
Speaker 1: can't take a street artist like I don't like ninety
Speaker 1: two point three to be, couldn't take a street artist
Speaker 1: and say, l A, don't listen to this artist. No more,
Speaker 1: like we don't listen to this thing because he on
Speaker 1: the radio. You know what I'm saying. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, I made songs about that ship
Speaker 1: on my next album. It's called That's Why the Town
Speaker 1: Got Rid of Short. That's the name of the song.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you the whole story. And I and
Speaker 1: the story. I told the fucking truth. And literally I
Speaker 1: put the album out. That was was that the fucking
Speaker 1: getting the album. I put the song out, Everybody shut up,
Speaker 1: nobody starts talking, Nobody talking about it no more. It
Speaker 1: could nobody dispeak what I said in the story I felt.
Speaker 1: I put everybody's name, And I told the whole goddamn
Speaker 1: story about the thirty thousand the movie. It's all in
Speaker 1: the song and to this day, nobody can dispute what
Speaker 1: the funk happened, Like there is no other version of
Speaker 1: the story. Let me ask you this man, and we
Speaker 1: can wrap it up in a minute. But we're sitting
Speaker 1: there with too short about you do your research, you
Speaker 1: go back, you go back to ship. I don't even know,
Speaker 1: you know, because this is against the chronicles. Man, So
Speaker 1: we got to talk about some stuff just going on
Speaker 1: now the streets. Man, what do you feel about the
Speaker 1: political climb? And no, man, what's going on with black
Speaker 1: American man? Just in general? All right, well, well you
Speaker 1: he probably knocking interrupt, but he kind of spoke on
Speaker 1: it a little bit earlier when he said ship the
Speaker 1: police was always fuller the nigger over and all that. So,
Speaker 1: you know, just trying to uh kind of elaborate on
Speaker 1: that ship of how it really ain't nothing changed. But
Speaker 1: you know, the thing that we're dealing with now is
Speaker 1: you gotta realize right now that from the intro a
Speaker 1: crack when you found out how freeway freeway rick because
Speaker 1: all in that circle of the ship with the fucking
Speaker 1: war they was funding and the c i A Was
Speaker 1: was letting the dope land in l A. You think
Speaker 1: about that ship, and um, you think about the Dave.
Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan said I declare war on drugs, and they
Speaker 1: came with to just say no. And it was like
Speaker 1: this whole scare tactic campaign about the you know, the
Speaker 1: scary criminals in the inner cities and ship. So then
Speaker 1: then we got the crack. Now, I know, in nineteen
Speaker 1: uh whatever the funk eighty whatever, when they start free
Speaker 1: basing cocaine, why no motherfucking nigga went and spent a
Speaker 1: hundred dollars on some powder and said, she I'm gonna
Speaker 1: pour this into a bottle of water and let's set
Speaker 1: it on fire and make it turn into a rock.
Speaker 1: That that'shi is some chemistry ship and ship there is
Speaker 1: some science ship. And when the crack was economically broken
Speaker 1: down to be affordable in the ghetto, and the ship
Speaker 1: was given to people like Freeway Rick just you know,
Speaker 1: like just here you free to selets man. All that
Speaker 1: ship was one big fucking setup, bron The ship was
Speaker 1: a set up to where you know, you know, the gangs,
Speaker 1: I don't even know where wrapped. The games would have winning.
Speaker 1: If it wasn't for crack, they wouldn't they wouldn't have
Speaker 1: turned into crack gangs. Gangs would have been They probably wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know what I'm saying, It wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been with it what it is. And then so
Speaker 1: that all of a sudden we like eighty five is cracked.
Speaker 1: Thing is jumping off and a couple of years into
Speaker 1: that ship. Now if you got a rock and a
Speaker 1: fucking gun, they really put you away for hell along,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And then then they you know,
Speaker 1: the whole ship with the powder and ship, and they
Speaker 1: you know, the white waves, it just song out of
Speaker 1: powder and ship, and they like ain't really stressing them
Speaker 1: out at all. But you can get caught with a
Speaker 1: gun at some powder and you don't get eighty thou
Speaker 1: years in jail. But if you got a fucking rocking again,
Speaker 1: your asses out. And and then not only so, so,
Speaker 1: not only was the UH setting all these these situations
Speaker 1: up for you to get fucked off, there was purposely
Speaker 1: pressing the line in the hood. So only mostly like
Speaker 1: on our side, Mexicans and niggas got it, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. On the other side, Puerto Ricans and
Speaker 1: niggas got you know what I'm saying. It wasn't They
Speaker 1: wasn't pressing the line to bust people in the suburbs.
Speaker 1: There was only fucking with the hood. But the city
Speaker 1: like open was signed up for the program on the
Speaker 1: worl on crime. So if you if you bust so
Speaker 1: many people and convict so many people, will send you
Speaker 1: more weapons. We'll send you more budget, We'll send you
Speaker 1: more cars. Like you know what I'm saying. So they
Speaker 1: had incentive policing to get the numbers up because they
Speaker 1: want the good numbers for the war on crime. So
Speaker 1: now they're setting up all these fucking laws. We're in
Speaker 1: the fucking trap fighting over the hood. We ain't buying
Speaker 1: the hood. We're killing each other over the block. And
Speaker 1: niggas is just like just we ushered in a whole
Speaker 1: new era of slavery, modern day slavery, the massive carceration.
Speaker 1: They locked us to funk up. They locked all our
Speaker 1: homies up. Nigga, if your homie got a cold case,
Speaker 1: he wasn't too much different than the homie that got murdered.
Speaker 1: You're like, damn, I ain't gonna see the homi nume
Speaker 1: mother go on. And in nineteen eighty the stats or
Speaker 1: something like when Ronald Reagan said war on crime, it
Speaker 1: was probably like five thousand people in American jails prisons.
Speaker 1: Now it's like over two millions. And all the motherfucker's
Speaker 1: came from the hood, whole bunch of blacks and Hispanics,
Speaker 1: and basically they're just like they just they just out
Speaker 1: tripped this bro. We run around here talking a thug
Speaker 1: life and ship, and we could have been we could
Speaker 1: have been like the Italian mafia trying not damn this
Speaker 1: to be drug dealers and pretend not to be cleaning
Speaker 1: that ship up and working around you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We just we we wrote it out and fucking I
Speaker 1: want the young homies that know right now that if
Speaker 1: you're calling the the the spot where you sell dope,
Speaker 1: the trap, nigga just listened to the word. It's a
Speaker 1: fucking trap. Like I've seen too many niggas, too many
Speaker 1: motherfucker's die or get all their youth taken away for
Speaker 1: that trap. And you're sitting there going on there, I
Speaker 1: mean the trap you're bragging about the trap like we
Speaker 1: some of us got out. We didn't get the motherfucking
Speaker 1: twenty years since designed. It's a setup, it's all saying
Speaker 1: right now is a set up? And were the motherfucker's
Speaker 1: if you're from the eighties, you're the motherfucking generation they
Speaker 1: got set the funk up the guinea pigs the first one.
Speaker 1: But how long is you gonna keep falling for the
Speaker 1: fact that, uh, you know, the ship that's gonna get
Speaker 1: you all that time in jail. You know. Let me
Speaker 1: ask you this because I always told him to me.
Speaker 1: James talk about vote. James has a certain feeling of
Speaker 1: both vote. Do you feel like it's a waste of time?
Speaker 1: I feel that ship too, dog? What does it do?
Speaker 1: I mean, if you really look at vote or not,
Speaker 1: I can't pay for the cause and I support certain
Speaker 1: ship when I'm like, if I'm like not feeling a
Speaker 1: certain things in certain candidate, support the other motherfucker and
Speaker 1: by doing benefit performances or or fucking PSA. What do
Speaker 1: you feel about this presidential I feel like, you know
Speaker 1: you can even you can't even include Obama's to two terms.
Speaker 1: I'm feeling like, man, my whole life paints. I ain't
Speaker 1: seen nothing from the presidents except the same exact thing.
Speaker 1: But as a Democratic Republican, it's not ain't nobody coming
Speaker 1: through with these campaign premises and making ship happen. So
Speaker 1: motherfucker's need to stop tripping off of who the fucking
Speaker 1: president is and start worrying about who the motherfucker's creating
Speaker 1: the laws that funk with a lot of us. That's
Speaker 1: what the sent is important as a local politics, politics
Speaker 1: exactly like the local politics and the Senate really the
Speaker 1: ship that impacts us. What do you think James to
Speaker 1: be inquired and not looking I'm listening to Joe, but
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, everything was a design. He
Speaker 1: goes way way before the eighties. With us, we put
Speaker 1: ourselves in the situation because the police couldn't infiltrate, then
Speaker 1: they had one of us in there to do it.
Speaker 1: And and we got a lot of brothers that soul
Speaker 1: brothers out back in those days for the short for
Speaker 1: the little money that they did give, and then they
Speaker 1: created a program. They create programs to keep you where
Speaker 1: you at, stagnate you just like with us, like when
Speaker 1: you say, ain't no father in the house. It shouldn't
Speaker 1: have really mattered if you had the daddy in the
Speaker 1: house or whatever. With all the ship that was going on.
Speaker 1: We we sat back and watched half of the ship
Speaker 1: crack off, you go the way it went. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that now we're fighting and killing each
Speaker 1: other over the same ship. These motherfucker's putty here, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like you said, the trap, that's
Speaker 1: all that ship was. We sitting and we're sitting there
Speaker 1: getting drunk, ain't paying attention, and passing ship through the windows,
Speaker 1: through the doors, the whole nine. We ain't giving the funk.
Speaker 1: But this is what they showed us where we was at,
Speaker 1: and we we funked with that. That's where we roll
Speaker 1: with and we're still doing it right now today. So
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, man, you you catch a cold case,
Speaker 1: you in your young twenties late and you catch a
Speaker 1: cold case. You come home at thirty eight, forty years old,
Speaker 1: and basically you spend all them years working in there
Speaker 1: for fucking free, for free labor. How many people you
Speaker 1: lose them? There's so many. There's so many brothers in prison.
Speaker 1: That's because we don't know the law. And when they
Speaker 1: get in there and get to spend the law to
Speaker 1: you thinking they've been helpy, but then at the end
Speaker 1: of the day they stretch as. So what I'm saying
Speaker 1: is I don't know how to tell the young homies
Speaker 1: how to preach and be like Brad go straight whatever.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't listening to nobody when I was young. I'm
Speaker 1: just like, get your motherfucking money. But it's a lot
Speaker 1: of ship out here, Like it's gonna benefit you more
Speaker 1: without the fucking penitentiary chances. That's all I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: do what the funk you gotta do whatever, but stay
Speaker 1: the funk out that prison, bro, And and I just
Speaker 1: in the law. I say this the same. Think back
Speaker 1: to when you was a youngster, and the niggas who
Speaker 1: wrote the hardest, the niggas who wrote the hardest, and
Speaker 1: the niggasu them a little nerd niggasaid would never join
Speaker 1: the fucking game. The niggasu would never come around to
Speaker 1: block the niggas. You come home at thirty eight years old,
Speaker 1: and that little nigga gotta fine ass wife, beautiful family, nigga,
Speaker 1: got nice ass cars and ship. You're like, you're like
Speaker 1: that podcast niggas like they think of ben balling, and
Speaker 1: we ain't too far from, you know from because niggas
Speaker 1: got that that rich dream right now. They see the
Speaker 1: just wrap shi the hip hop ship, this ball player ship,
Speaker 1: and they got that that million their dream. But you ain't.
Speaker 1: You ain't gonna achieve that unless you apply yourself to something.
Speaker 1: You gotta put your ten thousand hours and you gotta,
Speaker 1: you gotta, you gotta get some some working and you
Speaker 1: gotta become an expert at something and and be good
Speaker 1: at that ship. You just gotta pay your dudes and
Speaker 1: put in your work and then ship should eventually if
Speaker 1: you get the right you know, the right foundation behind you,
Speaker 1: in the right cup of group of niggas that can
Speaker 1: steer you on the right path. Like I said, o
Speaker 1: Gez used to be set up to try to steer
Speaker 1: niggas on the right path. For letting niggas stay out
Speaker 1: and keep you keep keeping out the games, keep him
Speaker 1: in sports. You know that's what we need, you know.
Speaker 1: But other than that, man, you just nothing else matters. Man.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, She been flipping the same
Speaker 1: way for for generations. You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: can say back to when I started running around. It
Speaker 1: ain't changed, Like James say, you can vote for whatever,
Speaker 1: take your choice, Democrat, Republican. But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, start start peeping out what's going on in
Speaker 1: your own section and your neighborhood, your city. Start peeping
Speaker 1: out the local government, Start peeping out what's happening in
Speaker 1: the Senate and the people who make the laws, because
Speaker 1: that's that's what counts. Yeah, I think, I think what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say that is, uh, it's almost gangster.
Speaker 1: It's almost real gangster, not to be gangster in the
Speaker 1: long run. In the long run, you know what, man,
Speaker 1: it is. And you know when I exchanged talking about
Speaker 1: that man when you're talking to your brothers and sat
Speaker 1: here in the streets, man, that's what he tells them.
Speaker 1: He says, Man, it ain't no benefits to it, ain't
Speaker 1: no pinsion in it. It's just you better off just
Speaker 1: doing the right thing. And at this point nobody can remember,
Speaker 1: like you really go around and just ask motherfucker's like
Speaker 1: like nigga, who who's your enemy? And be like why
Speaker 1: and they're gonna tell you, like kill not be folled at,
Speaker 1: Like why is y'all? Why is y'all hoods enemies. Niggas
Speaker 1: don't even know why half the wards started. M hm.
Speaker 1: They don't even know. They don't even concern. They just
Speaker 1: like lucked that, like that Chicago ship. They're like, nigga,
Speaker 1: we can't even negotiate. They're keeping a tally on bodies.
Speaker 1: They're like, we can't even negotiate the truths until we
Speaker 1: like got the same amount of bodies and knocking each
Speaker 1: other down. Man, It's like, man, and like we y'all
Speaker 1: got it, y'all up on the sixteen fourteen, and so
Speaker 1: give me to two bodies and we can talk about
Speaker 1: the truth. Then, well, you know, the man, one of
Speaker 1: the things we always talk about man, you know, black
Speaker 1: lives matter. Man, If a police officers do something, somebody,
Speaker 1: we go to these cities with marks, But why not
Speaker 1: we why we that we should have that same energy? Man?
Speaker 1: For one of somebody ride through the hood and knocked
Speaker 1: down little Tommy. Somebody go out there knockdown little Lisa.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. We need to have a
Speaker 1: justifiably we are used to killing each other. That's just
Speaker 1: like like I know you, I'm gonna fight, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: argue with you were far gonna argue with these motherfucker's.
Speaker 1: I don't know. We used to. We this is what
Speaker 1: we we learned growing up, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it's a big difference. We rather fight in house
Speaker 1: than go out and fight. These white boys just talking
Speaker 1: about killing us and they home there on mother every
Speaker 1: platform talking about y'all, wait, we're coming. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: a war if Trump lose, We're gonna we're coming at
Speaker 1: You're really interested to see what happens is this selection, man,
Speaker 1: because I don't think oh boy could lead office. I
Speaker 1: I don't think there's enough militia out there to beat
Speaker 1: up together. That's yeah, y'all to be surprised, man, y'all
Speaker 1: to be surprised with these motherfucker's got if a motherfucker mothers,
Speaker 1: they they got some ship. Yeah, motherfucker. How out to
Speaker 1: all the inner city, everybody in the inn city standing
Speaker 1: by staying down and staying by the fun. Man. But
Speaker 1: you see what you're doing the the what's the councilman?
Speaker 1: Check that the white boys was kidnapping? Man, they tell
Speaker 1: about kidnapping and kill the motherfuckers because if you ain't,
Speaker 1: if you ain't on board with Trump. Man, you're in trumping,
Speaker 1: but I don't even follow politics. I will see what happened.
Speaker 1: One I could have never in a million years could
Speaker 1: have predicted. Ship is crazy. Man. It's almost like the
Speaker 1: Park Lips and Sun, but fucking ninety nine years else.
Speaker 1: I ain't never seen no ship like this. Man. Sure, man,
Speaker 1: you know what. Man, I appreciate you. Man. Happen us over.
Speaker 1: Man to your beautiful compound. Man giving us a dope interview. Man. Man,
Speaker 1: you guys, Man, we thank y'all for coming in here.
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Speaker 1: short man, you know what? Man, can you give him
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