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Speaker 1: We had a really good first hour and I'll tell

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Speaker 1: to the California Air Resources Board and we're gonna get

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Speaker 1: Michael MChE On, the USC professor. We've had him on

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Speaker 1: twice before and people are very interested in this. He

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Speaker 1: One that said, in the last fifty years, most of

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Speaker 1: the California gas price increase and the difference between us

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Speaker 1: the government with their taxes and regulations. Second thing he

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Speaker 1: Air Resources Board was called to the Assembly Utility and

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Speaker 1: Energy Committee to explain themselves. There were three officials and

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Speaker 1: several Democrats were outwardly very skeptical the Air Resources Board

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Speaker 1: really understand why the regulations has forced these refineries out

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Speaker 2: Michael, welcome, Thanks Jean, how are you today.

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Speaker 1: Well, you actually got the California Air Resources Board to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, big surprise there, right, And it was a big

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Speaker 2: they agreed that there would be more emissions created by

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Speaker 2: the loss of two in state refineries due to the

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Speaker 2: They have lower lower environmental standards, lower labor standards, some instances,

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Speaker 1: Forty five days, forty five days. Can you imagine the

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Speaker 2: Good lord, it's ludicrous that this is happening. It was

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm not defending the refiners. I'm just I'm an economist.

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting around looking for you know, what's causing these

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Speaker 2: And it's it's in its policy, and it's the cost

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: As one of the Assembly members said yesterday, she said, look,

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Speaker 2: if these refiners were doing you know, so great, you know,

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Speaker 2: making so much money in California, why would they leave

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Speaker 2: And then I thought it was really interesting when Vice

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Speaker 2: Our dependency will go up on foreign sources. And oh

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Speaker 2: you're right, John. You know, they completely.

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Speaker 1: Completely vindicated everything you've been telling, and you had the

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Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia is going to be benefiting from this ridiculous

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Speaker 2: Well, the question is where will California get California Special

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Speaker 2: blend gasoline. That's the question, all right. Typically we've looked

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Speaker 1: And wait a second, Saudi Arabia ships into South Korea.

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Speaker 1: Then we could buy the oil from South Korea. Go

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So what happens is the oil is produced in

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Speaker 1: Or we could produce the oil here in California and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one would wonder, but you're precisely right, one would wonder.

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Speaker 2: And there's ways that we could increase in state production

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Speaker 2: and without providing extraordinary loopholes or so that some people

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Speaker 1: The profit doesn't exists, and his crowd are making it up.

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Speaker 1: They're lying. They just lie. There is no profit. Because

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Speaker 1: You got two major oil companies shutting down, two major refineries.

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Speaker 2: They're not making anywhere near what the state claims they're

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Speaker 2: For example, the CEC does publish data on margins from

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Speaker 1: Can you hang on for another second?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, our whole hold on. Michael Machet, professor at USC,

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Speaker 1: And we'll talk about these people, and we'll talk with

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Speaker 1: Michael mache about these newly found converts to obvious common sense.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think they read my report of MAYPIF and

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Speaker 2: And that's amazing because these refiners have an ounce shutdowns,

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Speaker 1: You realize the state drove out, let's say, thirty thirty

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Speaker 1: So we probably have half the state making poverty wages

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Speaker 4: And nothing we have, you, John, that's it.

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Speaker 1: This stuff really applies to people's lives. Right. We all

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Speaker 4: You're an elitist.

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Speaker 5: Dude, do we know for sure if fireworks started the

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Speaker 3: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM

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Speaker 3: six forty.

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Speaker 1: The insane absurd progressives in San Francisco came up with

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Speaker 1: a new grading system that was lasted less than twenty

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Speaker 1: four hours. And we're going to talk about Richie Greenberg.

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Speaker 1: He's a writer and commentator and politically active in San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: Just to give you a quick idea, if you score

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Speaker 1: twenty one on a test in the San Francisco School District,

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Speaker 1: at least this was the proposal, you'd still pass with

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Speaker 1: a twenty one, forty one gets you a C an

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Speaker 1: eighty or one hundred would both be an, So we'll

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Speaker 1: get to that. I always look for things that might

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Speaker 1: frighten you.

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Speaker 4: Why I have enough fear.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm sick that way, and this is

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Speaker 1: due and I don't know if this will keep you

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Speaker 1: up at night. But in the Swiss Alps there's a

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Speaker 1: little village called Blattin, and for days the people in

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Speaker 1: Blattin were warned that you have an unstable glacier looming

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Speaker 1: high above your homes. It could collapse, and so residents evacuated.

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Speaker 1: And a few days later, yesterday afternoon, the glacier collapse.

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Speaker 4: Oh well, good thing they left.

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Speaker 1: Well, everybody but one guy. One guy.

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Speaker 4: Is he dead?

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Speaker 1: Well they're looking for him because three million cubic meters

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Speaker 1: of ice, rock, and mud fell on the town. Three

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Speaker 1: million cubic meters. That sounds like a lot. It broke

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Speaker 1: up under the weight of overlying rocks and buried the village.

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Speaker 1: It was a very pretty village. I'm sure you know.

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Speaker 1: He had the glacier behind you in this rock formation,

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Speaker 1: and the debris stretched for more than a mile. A

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Speaker 1: few structures survived, but then they got flooded out because

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Speaker 1: after the glacier fell, it blocked a river that flows

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Speaker 1: through the village. So at the river blocked, it started

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Speaker 1: backing up and flooding what had been destroyed by the glacier.

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Speaker 1: Ninety percent of the village buried. Oh high altitude snow melt.

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Speaker 1: It was part of it. But the precise trigger they

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Speaker 1: don't know. And there's one sixty four year old guy

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Speaker 1: can't find him.

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Speaker 4: They that was the guy that didn't leave.

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Speaker 1: I guess, or he didn't run fast enough. I mean,

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Speaker 1: everyone else evacuated a few days before they had the warnings.

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Speaker 1: It's not like here in la where we don't get

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Speaker 1: the proper evacuation warnings.

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Speaker 4: Or we get the wrong ones.

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Speaker 1: Do we get the wrong ones? People in Altadena are

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Speaker 1: still waiting for a fire warning from January and they

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Speaker 1: never got it. So this guy is the only one

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Speaker 1: who didn't get it. It blocked the Lonza River, which

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Speaker 1: created the lake, and it just got it, just got

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Speaker 1: pushed down by overlying rocks.

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Speaker 4: There's no safe place to really live.

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Speaker 1: No, But what are the odds a glacier falls on

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Speaker 1: your head?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's really bad luck.

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Speaker 1: He's the only guy I've ever heard of who got

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Speaker 1: crushed by a glacier.

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Speaker 5: It's just well, if he survives, he has something to

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Speaker 5: tell the grandkids.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it doesn't sound good.

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Speaker 4: No, it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: It Apparently the rock, the facing of the rock was

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Speaker 1: encased in permafrost. It had degraded over the last fifteen years.

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Speaker 5: That's not how I would like to go. No, I mean,

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Speaker 5: I don't know how I would like to go.

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Speaker 1: But that's flattened by glacier.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, you'd end up like one of those cartoon pancakes.

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Speaker 1: You'll just peel you up.

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Speaker 4: That's how funny, John.

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Speaker 1: I know it's not funny. I feel terribly bad for

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Speaker 1: what happened to him.

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Speaker 4: Oh I can tell.

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Speaker 1: Hey, you left at this stuff too alight.

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Speaker 5: We are a bad influence on me, as I've said

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Speaker 5: too many years working with you.

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Speaker 1: I know. After three o'clock Richie Greenberg, he's a writer

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Speaker 1: and commentator and involved in politics up in San Francisco,

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Speaker 1: and we are going to have another good laugh over

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Speaker 1: San Francisco. Briefly considering having grading equity, grading equity where

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Speaker 1: if you get twenty one out of one hundred, you pass. Seriously,

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Speaker 1: this is progressive education. Hey, you've been listening to the

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Speaker 1: John Cobalt Show podcast. You can always hear the show

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Speaker 1: live on KFI Am six forty from one to four

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Speaker 1: pm every Monday through Friday, and of course, anytime on

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