1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: It was a sharply lower session on Wall Street where 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: we had a lot of aggressing, aggressive selling that was 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: mostly tied to macro conditions, very aggressive commentary from the FED, 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: but also a lot of interesting individual stories. One we're 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: about to talk about at Facebook Corp. Metta and also 6 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: at Apple with that stock down nearly five percent, and 7 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: often we can say that as Apple goes, so goes 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: the NASDAC and the broader indexes. Well, let's take a 9 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: look at this meta story though. The CEO Mark Zuckerberg 10 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: outlining plans to reorganize the company, reorganized teams and reduce 11 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,599 Speaker 1: the headcount for the first time ever, and joining us 12 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: to discuss this is Sarah Fryer, Bloomberg News, Big Tech 13 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: team leader. So this is a big story, first time 14 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 1: since two thousand and four, I guess to see this 15 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: sort of restructuring. It also has some big implications about 16 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: advertising revenue growth. Maybe save that for a moment and 17 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: just walk us through if you could share how they're 18 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: going to do this is just through um sort of 19 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: you know, just people leaving and not being replaced, or 20 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 1: will they actually lay off people. Well, I think it's 21 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: a little bit the same thing Basically, what they're saying 22 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: is that teams across the board at Meta are going 23 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,559 Speaker 1: to have their budgets reduced, and how the teams manage 24 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: that is going to be up to them. UM, but 25 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: they are going to rely, as you said, eleettrition, if 26 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: people believe their jobs, they may not fill those roles. 27 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: In Overall, they do ext to be a smaller company 28 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,639 Speaker 1: by the end of This is significant because, as you noted, 29 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: Meta for its entire history has been growing and growing 30 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: and growing UM using it's it's advertising business, which essentially 31 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: prince cash to fund these grand visions like like growing 32 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: into the metaverse, which is Mark Zuckerberg's idea of how 33 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: we'll all be hanging out in virtual reality in the future. 34 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: Now that, it's a lot harder when a few factors 35 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: come to account, namely UM, the economy is slowing, so 36 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: advertisers spending less UM, there have been some privacy restrictions 37 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: by Apple Inc. On iPhones that make it harder for 38 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: Meta to target advertising effectively. And UM people are being 39 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: drawn away from from Facebook and Instagram to new products 40 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: like TikTok. So you have this this UM, this the 41 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: set of factors that make it difficult for this company 42 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: to grow revenue in the way that they used to grow. Plus, 43 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: they're spending billions on this metaverse vision that is unlikely 44 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:42,839 Speaker 1: to contribute to the bottom line for years now. During 45 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: let's during the first quarter, earning school better so that 46 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: the annual expenses would be roughly three billion dollars low 47 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: than initially projected. And what was the reading from that, Well, 48 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: the reading from that was that you know, they were 49 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: they were being responsible. Investors were UM, you know, pleased 50 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: to hear at UM. Now it's a little different. I mean, 51 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: I think this with this announcement, we're seeing an era 52 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: of UM a lot of limited opportunities for Meta. They 53 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: don't really have a backup plan for the way their 54 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: business is working right now. UM they need to grow 55 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: advertising revenue, but their their legacy services are not adding 56 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: users the way they used to. UM they need to 57 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: come up with their next big business model after advertising, 58 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: but things like e commerce haven't worked and they haven't 59 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: come up with a new blockbuster idea. UM. They've basically 60 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:41,119 Speaker 1: acquired UM they're big growth areas like like Instagram and WhatsApp, 61 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: and they can't make a major acquisition like that again 62 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: because of antitrust pressure. So so they're really in a 63 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: tough spot here. Uh and they've lost more than half 64 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: of their value this year, um and and it is 65 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: it is a sort of an existential moment for this company. 66 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: And you know, it's not surprising that they're going to 67 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: have to cut cost, but how they recover from it 68 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: is going to be what's worth watching. Well, it's a 69 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: tough period of time for sure. I mean other companies 70 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: also reducing headcount and struggling with how to get leaner 71 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: going into the next year. Out of time now, Sarah, 72 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: but thanks very much for joining us. Sarah Fryar, Bloomberg 73 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,239 Speaker 1: News Big Tech team Leader,