Speaker 1: Misspelling with Tory Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast. Hi, Hi, I'm
Speaker 1: super excited to chat with you.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, me too. You look way more beautiful
Speaker 2: than me right now.
Speaker 1: Wait, oh my god.
Speaker 2: Please, I would say, what filter do you have on?
Speaker 2: But you don't need a filter, But what filter do you.
Speaker 1: Have to crank up the zoombler all the way?
Speaker 2: Wait? What how do I do that?
Speaker 1: I actually don't know if I did, but wait, let
Speaker 1: me see. Yeah, you can fully touch up your parents
Speaker 1: on zoom.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm an old bitch. So like archaic actresses,
Speaker 2: they would be like vasoline on the lens.
Speaker 1: I actually learned about that in film school.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they fully like taught me all about that before
Speaker 1: the preface tune days.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. And when I was younger, I never
Speaker 2: understood like older actresses and actress they would always be
Speaker 2: like it's mostly actresses. They'd be like, never let them
Speaker 2: film you from above, always from below, and now like
Speaker 2: every pictures Like, I mean, you're young, but I'm sure
Speaker 2: like your mom's always like put the camera up too.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's so cool though. I'm sure you like
Speaker 1: have so many cool stories from all your experience with
Speaker 1: the film industry and whatnot.
Speaker 2: I feel like I do and I have a really
Speaker 2: good memory, thank goodness. But yeah, especially stories from my dad,
Speaker 2: Like my dad would tell me the most amazing stories
Speaker 2: I didn't appreciate as a kid, and now looking back,
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my gosh, yeah, those were iconic. And
Speaker 2: when I tell yeah, if I'm out with Brents, They're like, wait,
Speaker 2: what your dad? What in this Hollywood actress? Like that's crazy,
Speaker 2: and like, oh wow, it was so like I was
Speaker 2: just used to hearing about it every single day. But whatever,
Speaker 2: let's talk about you. Are you sick of talking about yourself?
Speaker 1: I don't do it that much honestly.
Speaker 2: Okay, find do you want to talk about me?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Really?
Speaker 2: Okay, what do you want to ask?
Speaker 1: You're interested to hear about? Like all this film experience
Speaker 1: and what so cool? I feel like also like it's
Speaker 1: so saturated now and like ten years ago or however
Speaker 1: long ago, like fifty years ago, like when your dad
Speaker 1: was doing it, but like it was such a small
Speaker 1: community and I feel like it's massive. You said massive, right,
Speaker 1: am I wrong?
Speaker 2: No, it's I don't know if it's a blessing or
Speaker 2: a curse. Like when I was growing up, there was
Speaker 2: like four like primetime networks like like you know, and
Speaker 2: now was streaming. There's so many you can't even like,
Speaker 2: I don't even know when things are coming and going
Speaker 2: because you know, there's no more like billboards. I mean
Speaker 2: there are, but like you know what I mean, It's like,
Speaker 2: did you see the show on some streamer that I've
Speaker 2: never even heard of? And it's like no, But then
Speaker 2: I'll watch it. I'll be like, this is great. So
Speaker 2: in my mind, I'm like, oh, there's so many opportunities.
Speaker 2: And it doesn't matter what field we're in, you know,
Speaker 2: if it's acting, if it's reality, if it's it's like, great,
Speaker 2: we there's a million things we made now. But I
Speaker 2: don't know if that's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true. I mean it's really it's true. I
Speaker 1: feel like, yeah, streaming is such a blessing. It's a
Speaker 1: blessing for like everything being more accessible, giving so much
Speaker 1: more opportunity.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It also feel like it makes artistic vision like diluted.
Speaker 1: If that makes sense.
Speaker 2: I agree with you. Describe how why you feel about though.
Speaker 1: I love that we're getting into like this course of
Speaker 1: the film industry. I can't.
Speaker 2: But what would you think I wanted to ask about
Speaker 2: Real Housewives. Probably everyone els you about that. I'll get there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you know how like when you would
Speaker 1: go to the theater and like seeing a film, it
Speaker 1: was like a totally different experience. But now it's just
Speaker 1: so accessible that it's like not really something people think about.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, you don't like the movie, turn it
Speaker 1: off and put something new on, Whereas like before you
Speaker 1: were so invested in it and whatnot. Maybe now I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: What even the bad ones. No, it was like I
Speaker 2: don't know, like have you ever walked out of a movie,
Speaker 2: out of a theater and left?
Speaker 1: No? Have you?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Never.
Speaker 1: I'm like if I'm buying this ticket, getting my snacks,
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna sit through it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm there for the snacks, yeah and everything. I mean.
Speaker 2: The good thing is you can get like drinks now,
Speaker 2: So that's that's a piece we invested. But I have
Speaker 2: five kids, so you have to keep in mind. It's
Speaker 2: different than what I'm typically would want to go see,
Speaker 2: Like I would want for me, I love you know,
Speaker 2: I would want to see independent films, like a documentary.
Speaker 2: I would want to see horror films like I can't
Speaker 2: see any of those with my kids.
Speaker 1: Do you do Sundance ever?
Speaker 2: I did? I used to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so.
Speaker 2: I wonder if the experience, Like I did it before
Speaker 2: you were alive, So I.
Speaker 1: Wonder not humanly possible? Well twenty six.
Speaker 2: Whoa wait, I'm really bad with mats. You were born one.
Speaker 1: Year in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did it before you were alive. Oh fuck me.
Speaker 1: I would have never guessed that. That's kind of insane.
Speaker 1: You're like defying odds of humanity.
Speaker 2: I'll take that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a major compliment. I mean, thank you.
Speaker 2: Is that a T shirt? What? Defying the odds of humanity.
Speaker 1: Should be my next straw?
Speaker 2: Don't forget about me when you do it.
Speaker 1: The inspiration that's right here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I had a film in Sundance
Speaker 2: in ninety got ninety eight.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's really cool.
Speaker 2: And I just remember I think it was ninety eight,
Speaker 2: but I just remember thinking this is so cuckoo, Like
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my gosh, our films in Sundance
Speaker 2: like this is. It was like a tiny little film
Speaker 2: we made. It was called The House of Yes. And
Speaker 2: then I made a movie called trick and both of
Speaker 2: them gone to Sundance, But the first one I was going,
Speaker 2: I didn't know what to expect. And I'm a girl
Speaker 2: that grew up in Beverly Hills, like I had no
Speaker 2: idea about snow and like being in the outdoors. So
Speaker 2: I just remember thinking, like, what did I see like
Speaker 2: Gwyneth Paltrow like wearing. And I remember going into Oh
Speaker 2: my god, I went into Prada and bought like a
Speaker 2: pants suit. And I thought because I was like trying
Speaker 2: to be like on Beverly Hills like girl nine o
Speaker 2: two one zero and being like I'm an artist and
Speaker 2: actress and I need to be taken seriously. And I
Speaker 2: bought a pants suit that I took to Sundance and
Speaker 2: got there and I was like and heels, and I was.
Speaker 1: Like horrified, Why is ever like jeans and a sweater?
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. And I was like I think I
Speaker 2: had to borrow stuff from friends, Like it was like ridiculous. Anyway, Sorry,
Speaker 2: what do you like.
Speaker 1: It was today? I probably would like, literally they didn't
Speaker 1: even sell clothes on main Street, Like main Street literally
Speaker 1: just got no lemon. Like five years ago, it's insane.
Speaker 2: There was nothing. Yeah, there was like a couple like bars,
Speaker 2: like yeah that.
Speaker 1: Was a no name, like did you do those? Or
Speaker 1: because like the Chase Safire Lounge is not always been
Speaker 1: there was out there in nineteen ninety eight, like what
Speaker 1: were the vibes of Sundance in nineteen ninety eight was
Speaker 1: like literally just see the film because now it's so
Speaker 1: like events, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, No, it wasn't like that. You would like
Speaker 2: the cast of each film, like they would have you
Speaker 2: in like there was no airbnb. It was like a
Speaker 2: cabin they would rent you and like you would all
Speaker 2: stay with all your co stars and yeah, or you
Speaker 2: would stay at the hotel and there was like one
Speaker 2: hotel and then you would go see the film and
Speaker 2: then it would always be like word of mouth, like
Speaker 2: it would be like, oh, this director is having a
Speaker 2: party back at there like cabin or whatever, Like I
Speaker 2: don't know. There wasn't like the events that are now
Speaker 2: like now it's major and everyone goes. And at the
Speaker 2: time it wasn't a thing like if you weren't in
Speaker 2: a film, like you didn't go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's insane, it's so much fun. I
Speaker 1: probably would not if it was nineteen ninety eight. I
Speaker 1: probably would not have been able to attend sundowns, but
Speaker 1: I'm very grateful for them because you were born, which
Speaker 1: I am available to attend it and stuff. It's super fun.
Speaker 2: Well at least you. I mean, where are you right now?
Speaker 1: I'm in Austin, Texas?
Speaker 2: Wait? Do you live there? Shright now?
Speaker 1: This?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: My boyfriend lives between Austin and LA and so we
Speaker 1: are in a long distance relationship and right now I
Speaker 1: am visiting him.
Speaker 2: How long have you guys been together?
Speaker 1: Like a year and almost a half. I'd say we
Speaker 1: met actually at Sundance, but officially became committed in a
Speaker 1: relationship in like April of last year.
Speaker 2: So you have so long distance entire time then? Mm hmmm,
Speaker 2: oh my.
Speaker 1: Goodness at a long distance and like still is.
Speaker 2: Okay? Are you worry for the next move? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And like when are when are we gonna like get
Speaker 1: a place in New York together?
Speaker 2: Is that the face you've called him the most incredible boyfriend? Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's.
Speaker 2: Well you have to say that because you're with him currently?
Speaker 1: Could that would be a toxic on healthy relationship, which
Speaker 1: I know all too much about. But I think I
Speaker 1: forgot what the other what what did you just ask?
Speaker 2: I forgot, I don't know. You laughed and smiled, and
Speaker 2: I got distracted. Oh you were telling me the next
Speaker 2: step would be to move in together. Oh and you
Speaker 2: were going to get a place in New York. That's
Speaker 2: the game plan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's where like all my work is
Speaker 1: based and all my inspiration really comes out of New
Speaker 1: York with my brand and whatnot. I also love La
Speaker 1: and so the fact that he's part Austin part LA, Like,
Speaker 1: I can deal with the La of it, the Austin part.
Speaker 1: It's super fun getting to explore a new city, but.
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever been it'll.
Speaker 1: Figuring it out, yeah, I mean they have like everything here.
Speaker 1: It's pretty crazy. But they say that is if it's
Speaker 1: like not a metropolitan city, pretty cool town. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I basically just come here for my man.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Wait, so you guys met at Sundance? You
Speaker 2: can we tell the story before?
Speaker 1: Sorry, No, I really haven't gotten into it. We met
Speaker 1: at like an event. How did this pop up at Sundance?
Speaker 1: And there was this really handsome man that just like
Speaker 1: walked into this VIP if you will, Like it's not
Speaker 1: actually the ip everyone's just hopping the rope. But did
Speaker 1: you hop the rope? You don't need to No, I didn't,
Speaker 1: but like I could have in theory. But he like
Speaker 1: walked in, he was super cute, handsome, drew my eye
Speaker 1: and then.
Speaker 2: Wait, can I stop you? Yeah, said, okay, the first
Speaker 2: thing you said about him was cute. Yeah, so that's
Speaker 2: my favorite. To me, that is such a good description
Speaker 2: of somebody if you're interested in I had someone I
Speaker 2: was dating say to me, like, you just called me cute.
Speaker 2: That's how we describe kids or dogs. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know, to me, cute is everything, Like anyone can
Speaker 2: be like handsome, good looking, Like that's cute is a
Speaker 2: really great combination. Do you feel that way?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like cute.
Speaker 2: Is all like now it's just saying cute.
Speaker 1: No, I agree, But I think that cute is also
Speaker 1: used to like describe a vibe, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's not even just a physical appearance. It's like, this
Speaker 1: is a cute situation, like that's your generation, not mine.
Speaker 1: We reach it, okay, But he just like walked in
Speaker 1: and caught my eye and then we were dancing chatting
Speaker 1: all night and it was really bizarre. We just kept
Speaker 1: running into each other all weekend and kept in touch.
Speaker 2: Really did you kiss him that first night?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a kiss and then I mean actually
Speaker 1: he would tell the story in a different way, but
Speaker 1: I was like, it was two in the morning. I
Speaker 1: am such a homebody, like that is late for me,
Speaker 1: and so I wanted to like go home, go to bed,
Speaker 1: and I told him I was leaving, and he was like, okay, bye,
Speaker 1: And I was like, are you not going to ask
Speaker 1: for my number or hello? Like it literally just danced
Speaker 1: with you for like two hours and we kissed and
Speaker 1: and I was just like into the dark and never
Speaker 1: see you again.
Speaker 2: Wait, did he know who you were?
Speaker 1: No, he doesn't know what like any of this is.
Speaker 1: He doesn't know anything about like Bravo housewife You probably
Speaker 1: like that, right, Yeah, it's humbling.
Speaker 2: Or there's that. Okay, go on, sorry whoa.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's really nice and refreshing and a lot
Speaker 1: of like educating him culturally on the Bravo culture and whatnot.
Speaker 2: Wait, had he really never seen anything in Bravo before?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he literally did not know what like anything was
Speaker 1: like any housewives franchise, which like it's so crazy how
Speaker 1: long have you been watching Bravo or like, are you
Speaker 1: a Bravo If you are.
Speaker 2: I am, okay, not of Salt Lake City, but.
Speaker 1: Sorry period shade it.
Speaker 2: No, not because I'm not a fan. I think reality
Speaker 2: TV used to be huge for me to watch, and
Speaker 2: now that my kids are getting older, I have five kids,
Speaker 2: and I think since I'm getting a divorce, this is
Speaker 2: when it started. Actually, since going through like getting a divorce,
Speaker 2: I now have my eight year old he just turned.
Speaker 2: It is always with me and he doesn't watch what
Speaker 2: I want to watch. And I've become such a guilty mom,
Speaker 2: being a single mom, that I let him take over
Speaker 2: and I've lost all Like I'm like, what happened to
Speaker 2: my I'm like a Bravo like fanatic and now I
Speaker 2: feel like out of the loop and it bumps me up.
Speaker 2: But I think originally in the Bravo verse, like Beverly Hills,
Speaker 2: I think just because it was I knew everyone personally
Speaker 2: and I grew up there, like that was fascinating in
Speaker 2: the New York City. I mean, obviously I've seen Real
Speaker 2: Housewives of Salt Lake City. I've seen you, but it
Speaker 2: wasn't one I actively was watching. Although I bene season
Speaker 2: five last night, and my eight year old was like, oh, Mom,
Speaker 2: He's like, I've told you, I don't want to watch
Speaker 2: the Kardashians again. He doesn't know what Nope, any reality
Speaker 2: show he calls the Kardashians.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean prior to my mom being
Speaker 1: on Housewives, I was not very familiar with the whole
Speaker 1: Bravo universe and whatnot. So, like, I believe that there
Speaker 1: are people that don't understand it and know it because
Speaker 1: I was once one of them. But now it's become
Speaker 1: such a big part of my life for like five years,
Speaker 1: so it's so crazy to think about what to like
Speaker 1: reflect on what my life was like before it.
Speaker 2: You know, no, absolutely what was it like to grow
Speaker 2: up on TV? I mean not grow up, but you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, I mean the last five Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I wasn't like as young as a lot
Speaker 1: of the other husbands.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like you had a choice.
Speaker 1: Like, theoretically yes, but no, if that makes sense, it does. Like,
Speaker 1: my family is so close, we are so supportive of
Speaker 1: each other, and for me to not sign on to
Speaker 1: do it, it would just not reflect my mom accurately
Speaker 1: and authentically, like it would be impossible to capture her
Speaker 1: life without capturing any of our family, you know. So also,
Speaker 1: like when she started her first season of Housewives, like
Speaker 1: she was going through separation with my dad and she
Speaker 1: was completely alone in Perk City, and I took a
Speaker 1: semester off from school to be there for her and
Speaker 1: work on my brand and everything, and like it was
Speaker 1: if I was going to do that, like I had
Speaker 1: to film, you know what I mean. Like, but theoretically
Speaker 1: I could have rejected signing on to it and whatnot,
Speaker 1: but it was just such a big part of like
Speaker 1: my mom's life at that point that I think it
Speaker 1: would have pushed me away from her. I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's just like I mean,
Speaker 1: it gave me a really great platform for my brand,
Speaker 1: and like now it's a killer for that. Yeah, right
Speaker 1: later like six years or six years later, seven years,
Speaker 1: I don't know where, like next year in New York
Speaker 1: is now a show, which is crazy?
Speaker 2: Right? Well that and that was entirely your choice, so right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: exactly is there gonna be a season two?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't make those decisions, but fingers crossed,
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like so much was left unset
Speaker 1: and unresolved last summer. And there's a lot to answer too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I've done a lot of reality TV. My
Speaker 2: kids were young when I had them on my show,
Speaker 2: but it's different. They'll, you know, see it one day
Speaker 2: and some of the older ones. I have an eighteen
Speaker 2: seven year old have seen clips and have said things
Speaker 2: to me like this happened with you and Dad, this
Speaker 2: hapen like oh my gosh, And I'm like, and my
Speaker 2: seventh year olds sometimes is like, you know, with my podcast,
Speaker 2: I talk about my life all the time, so it's
Speaker 2: a version of doing a reality show. And she said,
Speaker 2: you know, why do you have to talk about our lives.
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I'm being this is my life and
Speaker 2: this is my choice and this is my journey, and
Speaker 2: I'm talking about my story because we don't other people
Speaker 2: give the narrative. And she's like, but you know, we
Speaker 2: have to okay it. So would you recommend, like, let's
Speaker 2: say there's Next Gen LA and they came to like
Speaker 2: my seventeen eight year old daughter and son, would you
Speaker 2: recommend they do a season?
Speaker 1: It depends on what their view is on that. I mean,
Speaker 1: are they do they like a private life? Do they
Speaker 1: are they interested in the public world, Like, have they
Speaker 1: been able to maintain a private life with you know,
Speaker 1: obviously you being so public? What's the vibe there?
Speaker 2: I mean they were born in on TV basically on reality,
Speaker 2: so they don't know any different, I think, but it
Speaker 2: would be interesting for them to make choices where it's
Speaker 2: just all about them in doing it. Are there things
Speaker 2: about the show that you are like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: I wish like I hadn't done it.
Speaker 1: Not that I wish I hadn't done it at.
Speaker 2: All, because you don't believe in regrets.
Speaker 1: No, I have plenty of things that I regret. I
Speaker 1: live in regret, Like Next Done. New York City is
Speaker 1: truly like my friends, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: not some show where someone's like casting these people to
Speaker 1: be on TV. It's like literally documenting real friendships, so
Speaker 1: that it was like so amazing for me to get
Speaker 1: to just have my friendships and cameras go up whatever.
Speaker 1: It's like fun, but it's like a double edged sword
Speaker 1: because these are people that I genuinely do care about
Speaker 1: and I'm not like super excited for them to fight
Speaker 1: or have conflict and stuff. So having to navigate that
Speaker 1: is like the Thorn of the Rose, which is doing
Speaker 1: a TV show that's like fun with all your friends.
Speaker 2: You know, understood. So let's say they Brava comes to
Speaker 2: you now and is like, Okay, we want to do
Speaker 2: a show now just focused on you and your relationship,
Speaker 2: and it can be like Brooks hits The Marks. Would
Speaker 2: you do it?
Speaker 1: I mean I need to know a little more.
Speaker 2: Do you like the title?
Speaker 1: The log line?
Speaker 2: I just coined that? I don't know? You can use it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like you sold it right there.
Speaker 2: You I'm really good at titles.
Speaker 1: You think exec get a producer credit.
Speaker 2: Maybe just like a one percent referral? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Would do you do reality TV? Again?
Speaker 2: I would? Yeah, I would. My my brain before my
Speaker 2: brain thinks like my father because he's he was a producer,
Speaker 2: So I think in the storytelling. And it was obviously
Speaker 2: all just scripted worlds until I started doing reality and
Speaker 2: now my brain thinks in both so concurrently, like simultaneously,
Speaker 2: I can come up with an idea and give the
Speaker 2: scripted version and the unscripted version, which isn't a bad thing.
Speaker 2: And so now when I come up with ideas for shows,
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, like Bravo, you could do this one
Speaker 2: on one of your other sister networks and then air
Speaker 2: this like nonscriptive version on your network, and they could
Speaker 2: air simultaneously. But wait, wait, wait, okay, so let's go
Speaker 2: back to your show with your boyfriend.
Speaker 1: I mean I have been like really private about my
Speaker 1: relationship life just because the way in which like who
Speaker 1: I went to bed with was brought into the public
Speaker 1: world was not on my own accord. So I felt
Speaker 1: the need to like just protect my relationship and keep
Speaker 1: a private and so it's really liberating, honestly, Like being
Speaker 1: able to share my relationship with like the people who
Speaker 1: have supported me over the years, and like their patience
Speaker 1: with that is just so like special to me. You know,
Speaker 1: the fact that people have been able to like respect
Speaker 1: that has meant a lot to me. So you're saying, now, well, no,
Speaker 1: I feel like, yes, I'm in a place where I
Speaker 1: mean caide my boyfriend. He did film for Next Gen
Speaker 1: NYC and was featured in the season a little bit,
Speaker 1: but that was like very early stages of our relationship,
Speaker 1: and we, you know, are very far down along the
Speaker 1: line now. I feel like dating me is like you
Speaker 1: have to date my entire family, you know. So he
Speaker 1: was just getting started looking back on that.
Speaker 2: Is he close with his family?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, he has like the sweetest family ever.
Speaker 2: I love that his name is kid with a K,
Speaker 2: I know, right, Yeah, I find that really sexy. I mean,
Speaker 2: you're an entrepreneur, Like I hate that word, by the way,
Speaker 2: you know, I hate that.
Speaker 1: Word because everyone says that they are one.
Speaker 2: Wow, you shut me down? Is that no one usually
Speaker 2: does that? Wow? Uh No, It's it's really hard to pronounce.
Speaker 2: It's like not it doesn't flow off the tongue, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: I get.
Speaker 2: It's a really tough one because everyone says they are Yeah,
Speaker 2: they do.
Speaker 1: Literally everyone. It's like it's like before that was like
Speaker 1: the thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, God, everyone says it. Yeah, you're either an entrepreneur
Speaker 2: or a narcissist. That's the only two words who talk about. Wait,
Speaker 2: what the hell? What would what would it be like
Speaker 2: in my generation? Nineteen ninety eight, the year before you
Speaker 2: were born? What would it have been? Wait ninety nine
Speaker 2: you were born?
Speaker 1: Right? What was it like before social media?
Speaker 2: I don't know, I can't remember.
Speaker 1: Blame now it's like everyone just puts like public figure
Speaker 1: on their Instagram bio, where like I don't like that
Speaker 1: It's just it's too easy to just throw a label
Speaker 1: on whatever you want to be, whereas like in nineteen.
Speaker 2: They don't give you choices. Sometimes it's like you have
Speaker 2: to pick one. Yeah, yeah, sorry I cut you off.
Speaker 2: So what would the word be? Smart? Driven? Creative?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Why am I singing in that voice?
Speaker 1: WHOA? I'm literally like shitting on the term entrepreneur and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know how else to describe what
Speaker 1: I do. I it is like fashion entrepreneurship. I mean
Speaker 1: I built a brand off of a hoodie and in
Speaker 1: a sweatsuit with a much stronger purpose. Like I guess
Speaker 1: you could say it's a movement.
Speaker 2: See I love that because I love double entendres, even
Speaker 2: though that's not easy to say either. But it is
Speaker 2: a movement because also with your wear, like your move
Speaker 2: like it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a double entendre.
Speaker 2: Did I say it wrong? I say, and Andre? Is
Speaker 2: it tomato Tomato nooks marks? Do you just correct me? No?
Speaker 1: I did not major in English.
Speaker 2: So I mean my last name is spelling. I can
Speaker 2: spell it. I just don't know how to say it.
Speaker 2: Can I ask you when you started your brand, what
Speaker 2: I mean, what was the hardest thing about having a
Speaker 2: brand that you wanted to create and going from creating
Speaker 2: it to execution of.
Speaker 1: It, building a team to help me see the same vision. Probably,
Speaker 1: I mean I think that people are not. I'll retract
Speaker 1: that it's very easy to look at a garment of
Speaker 1: clothing and say like this is You could even just
Speaker 1: take like a black T shirt and be like, in
Speaker 1: my case, a hoodie with a stripe going down the
Speaker 1: side and just say like, this is literally a hoodie
Speaker 1: with a stripe going down the side, like with your
Speaker 1: name on it, Like nothing, great, whatever. What people don't
Speaker 1: understand is the intricacies of having to measure every single
Speaker 1: centimeter of that garment, having to go through development to
Speaker 1: create the fabric that you want, the importance of the
Speaker 1: composition of the fabric, and like the process in which
Speaker 1: my like jackered ribbon goes on the side and all
Speaker 1: of these things. How many samples we have to go through?
Speaker 1: And I say we, as in.
Speaker 2: Me Jackert or Jacard.
Speaker 1: Actually you're correcting me now I think it might be Jaccard.
Speaker 2: I'm just having fun with you.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like, people don't understand how many samples you
Speaker 1: have to go through, Like the spec sheets all of
Speaker 1: that is my responsibility at my brand and I did
Speaker 1: not just private label something. And that's what I'm really
Speaker 1: proud of is building a brand that is a community
Speaker 1: for people to you know, feel comfortable in their skin
Speaker 1: and feel comfortable in their clothes with it.
Speaker 2: I love hearing you say that because I feel like
Speaker 2: it's so true, and especially in today's world, like everything
Speaker 2: is replicated and everything, and it goes back to like
Speaker 2: an old mentality. I guess of the pride there's a
Speaker 2: double one pondre there and on Tondra and ownership of
Speaker 2: any product that you do or any idea that you do.
Speaker 2: It doesn't even have to be in your world, and
Speaker 2: that resonates I feel like, do you feel like, would
Speaker 2: you ever do your brand as like an online like
Speaker 2: a big what's the word I'm looking for? If would
Speaker 2: you ever do like QBC or Home Shopping Network?
Speaker 1: Never say never, But that is not on my short
Speaker 1: term goal list right.
Speaker 2: Now, because do you feel like you work so hard
Speaker 2: at the composition of the brand and the material and
Speaker 2: the final product that gets put out that would you
Speaker 2: not want to grow to put out a mass line? Look, look,
Speaker 2: this is me trying to talk to a designer and
Speaker 2: not have the words, but you can the motion behind it.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just not essentially I'd say the goal
Speaker 1: of my brand. At the end of the day, the
Speaker 1: goal for my brand is to I'm like, very proud
Speaker 1: of the fact that I'm a fully unisex label, which
Speaker 1: I think is an incredibly difficult thing to do, especially
Speaker 1: with some of the garments that I've launched, like the
Speaker 1: Universal Panel pant, where it's a structured pant and the
Speaker 1: waistband obviously sits differently depending on your body. So for
Speaker 1: someone who wants to wear the pant high waisted, it
Speaker 1: needs to be like it needs to work for someone
Speaker 1: who wants it low waisted and similar with like the
Speaker 1: crotch length and everything, you know. So that was something
Speaker 1: that was really difficult to develop. But I'm really proud
Speaker 1: of the fact that my brand is fully unisex, and
Speaker 1: essentially the goal is to create a community that everyone
Speaker 1: feels welcomed in.
Speaker 2: It wouldn't be nice though, for everyone, if it could
Speaker 2: get to that level where people didn't judge and you
Speaker 2: could make something with such huge mass appeal while still
Speaker 2: being able to incorporate the innovation and what it means
Speaker 2: to you and yeah, the brand and type pretty correct.
Speaker 1: No, correct for sure, I mean, yeah, have you, but
Speaker 1: you're changing.
Speaker 2: I feel like what people think in the fashion world,
Speaker 2: so I would love to see it get to that
Speaker 2: where it's do you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: And I know, I know I'm probably saying things that
Speaker 2: designers are like, I never want to be on that
Speaker 2: level and that tier, like it's you know, you want
Speaker 2: to keep it at a top tier level. But I
Speaker 2: think the world, I hope the world is changing and
Speaker 2: involving so much that you know, we could have something
Speaker 2: that means something everywhere for everyone wanting it. I'm here's
Speaker 2: babbling my words now. I'll go back back to Onondre No.
Speaker 1: I completely agree. I think that one of the like
Speaker 1: issues in the fashion industry right now is the like
Speaker 1: pace at which trends change and fast fast, and the
Speaker 1: whole like lack.
Speaker 2: Of do you find fast fashion insulting?
Speaker 1: I think that for some people it's like all they
Speaker 1: can get to, which is a problem, like no one
Speaker 1: should have to resort to fast fashion. But I think
Speaker 1: it is also a misconception that that is the case
Speaker 1: when there are plenty of places to not have to
Speaker 1: resort to fast fashion. But I just think promoting like
Speaker 1: conscious consumption is the most important thing with my brand.
Speaker 1: I try to create items that are meant to be
Speaker 1: in your closet for decades and not something that's going
Speaker 1: to go out of trend. So like me, you're meant
Speaker 1: to be in the closet for a decade.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, never go out of trend.
Speaker 1: Oh oh oh yeah period.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, yeah, you can have me in your
Speaker 2: closet for decades. I'm saying, you can just keep using me,
Speaker 2: and it's like and taking me out and people aren't like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's out of style, that's I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm like vintage.
Speaker 1: There's something I don't know, but yeah, I mean that's
Speaker 1: sort of at the end of it. What I think
Speaker 1: is important with promoting conscious consumption is just like creating
Speaker 1: staples for people to have in their wardrobe. I agree,
Speaker 1: and also like the composition and whatnot, because there are
Speaker 1: certain materials that are like more damaging to the environment
Speaker 1: than others.
Speaker 2: It makes me sad for my teens because I feel
Speaker 2: like they don't understand that, and you know, with their friends,
Speaker 2: they're on a budget. And they don't understand what it
Speaker 2: truly means. You know, I think in their brains. It's
Speaker 2: the young ones, like my twelve and thirty year old
Speaker 2: their brains it's just like, oh, we got it, it
Speaker 2: was cheap. Oh, it just didn't last long, or it
Speaker 2: just wasn't made great fill a part after one wearing,
Speaker 2: and it's just there's so much involved in the way
Speaker 2: it was made that they're not conscious of. No pun intended,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean completely like nail on the head. Also,
Speaker 1: the ethics behind the manufacturing of it is a huge
Speaker 1: thick concern. But yeah, that's something that I've always worked
Speaker 1: on with my brand that I've been super proud of.
Speaker 1: So you could say that it's a hoodie with my
Speaker 1: name on it, but it's a lot more than that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There's a reason that I
Speaker 1: put my name on that hoodie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. And you have a really good name.
Speaker 2: Thank you. You have such a good name.
Speaker 1: Like it's not fair, thank you? I mean, so do you?
Speaker 1: You literally cannot make that name up. Hell, you're a verb.
Speaker 1: You're a walking verb.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh can I snag that one?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a walking verb.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love that. Okay, I'm going to
Speaker 2: talk for one second my Real Housewives Salt Lake City.
Speaker 2: And I only just rolled my eyes because I feel
Speaker 2: like I feel embarrassed. I feel like everybody asks you no, no, no.
Speaker 2: This is literally the only reason. Like I obviously I
Speaker 2: want to ask you questions because it's relevant, but like
Speaker 2: I feel like everybody asks you the same thing.
Speaker 1: So no, I no ask whatever you want. I'm like
Speaker 1: just fingers crossed. It don't get in trouble.
Speaker 2: Fingers crossed. We do get in trouble. Have you met me? No?
Speaker 2: Yeah you did today. But okay, So there's rumors that
Speaker 2: Genshaw is coming back to the show.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about her right now.
Speaker 2: I don't either tell me.
Speaker 1: Well, if I knew, i'd be able to share it,
Speaker 1: But I don't know anything about her other than you
Speaker 1: know is in the public right now.
Speaker 2: Fair your mom's a DJ. I did not know this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a really talented DJ.
Speaker 2: That's amazing. Mm hmm, that's like on my bucket list.
Speaker 1: She's awesome. Yeah, you're based in Yeah, so next time
Speaker 1: she actually DJ'ed at out Loud and who really? Next
Speaker 1: time she hopefully, Like if there's if that is a
Speaker 1: thing next year, you'll have to come.
Speaker 2: I would love to. Oh my gosh, I even when
Speaker 2: I watch her, I feel like she and I were
Speaker 2: be friends. Absolutely, he said, Cavier, you.
Speaker 1: You guys probably crossed paths. My mom grew up going
Speaker 1: to we must have got out of or my grandpa
Speaker 1: had a place in Beverly Hills, Like, oh, we're going
Speaker 1: there all the time. And then nineties.
Speaker 2: What you were alive in the nineties.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, it was before I was alive, unfortunately, because
Speaker 1: I would have loved to spend time there too.
Speaker 2: Oh you were saying your mom. Okay, okay, so I'm
Speaker 2: catching up. Wait, wait where who had a place in La?
Speaker 2: Your grandpa?
Speaker 1: Yeah, my grandpa.
Speaker 2: Where do you know where?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Beverly Hills, like behind the Beverly Hills Hotel
Speaker 1: in the Hills part.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, ooh I wonder where? And so your mom Okay,
Speaker 2: so we've probably totally met.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys have probably cross spots. I mean, like
Speaker 1: La is so small, lowl one Beverly Hills, like you.
Speaker 2: Know it really truly is. No one believes that, but
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, do you feel like you have a
Speaker 2: lot of responsibility now that you're so in the public
Speaker 2: eye to not that you're not. I find you very authentic,
Speaker 2: But do you feel like you have to choose your
Speaker 2: words carefully?
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, I mean literally just then like going
Speaker 1: through my brain, yes, I do. I just I mean,
Speaker 1: like having a platform is a blessing, and I just
Speaker 1: want to make sure that I'm always like using it
Speaker 1: in the best way possible. I never want to like listen, right, well.
Speaker 2: Your narrative is your narrative, and and that's in obviously
Speaker 2: you Yeah, did you figure that out after the first
Speaker 2: season you were on a Real Housewives of Salt Lake
Speaker 2: City that You're like, I can't control the editing. I
Speaker 2: can't control what they use and how it's taking out
Speaker 2: of context once it goes social or viral, and then
Speaker 2: had to kind of rein it in. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I mean no, I would say that, like the capacity.
Speaker 1: What was so great about Next in New York was
Speaker 1: that our next graen wise, I love to call it
Speaker 1: Next to New York.
Speaker 2: I know You've said it so many times, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: and in my brain every time, I'm like, I just
Speaker 2: love your voice. I think you're like have. Your articulation
Speaker 2: is so great. You would be great in voiceovers. By
Speaker 2: the way, your articulation, I am envious because I like
Speaker 2: meld all my words together. Okay, sorry, but I love
Speaker 2: how you call it. Yeah, you've said New York City
Speaker 2: every time instead of NYC, which is rad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, next gen NYC is. It was like an opportunity
Speaker 1: to actually get to show my personality and whatnot. I
Speaker 1: feel like the capacity in which I was shown on
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City is like ten minutes over the span
Speaker 1: of seasons, so it's like people don't really get to
Speaker 1: know me. It's not a show about housewives kids to
Speaker 1: show about housewives obviously, so I think it's like seeing
Speaker 1: me in such a limited capacity, people make so many
Speaker 1: assumptions and whatnot, and that was something that had a
Speaker 1: really hard time handling. But over my years, like in
Speaker 1: the public space, I feel like I'm finally at a
Speaker 1: point like now more than ever where it's just like
Speaker 1: as long as you're living or truth and saying facts like,
Speaker 1: you can do no wrong, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd be great in court.
Speaker 1: Did you have to acclimate to it or were you
Speaker 1: sort of like always in the public since you were born.
Speaker 2: I was literally born into it. But it's not like
Speaker 2: I was ever. There was no like when I was
Speaker 2: a kid, like social media training or like you know,
Speaker 2: like act like this. I don't think. I think I
Speaker 2: just realized quickly I was the daughter of someone who
Speaker 2: was famous and I was a representation of him. But
Speaker 2: my mom and dad never said to me, like, make
Speaker 2: sure you act you know, polited in public and act this,
Speaker 2: you know, a certain way because you're representing the family.
Speaker 2: And then when I was on nine oh two and
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I just I learned quickly. Like I look
Speaker 2: back at interviews I gave when I was in my
Speaker 2: late teens early twenties, and I'm like, that is so
Speaker 2: not me, Like I was so not guarded. But I
Speaker 2: just wanted to make sure I said the right thing
Speaker 2: of what I thought people wanted to see me as,
Speaker 2: because keep in mind, back then there wasn't social media,
Speaker 2: so what you saw in limited interviews on talk shows
Speaker 2: and stuff, that was it. And it wasn't until I
Speaker 2: was able to like just speak my authentic self that
Speaker 2: people are like, oh, we're not labeling her as this,
Speaker 2: this or this anymore because she has a voice. So
Speaker 2: I probably I think I go too far now, but
Speaker 2: it's been very liberating for me to have a voice
Speaker 2: and not just be seen as a certain thing, whether
Speaker 2: it was I know, you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I completely agree. I mean, like it's one
Speaker 1: thing to speak truth and like, as long as you're
Speaker 1: being honest whatever, But like, no, that's something that I've
Speaker 1: run into with next Gen and I see it's like,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you could take that argument and apply to
Speaker 1: people who have come into fire on the show and
Speaker 1: whatnot for things that they've said. But it's like, as
Speaker 1: long as you are making an effort to be a
Speaker 1: good person, like that's different than saying things because you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: like I'm being completely honest and real. It's like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be completely honest and real, but I'm never going
Speaker 1: to intentionally try to hurt someone, and if I do,
Speaker 1: I'll take accountability and apologize for it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Whereas yeah, some people won't and they don't
Speaker 1: care if they hurt someone and they're just like that's
Speaker 1: how I feel whatever.
Speaker 2: So are you for inter a specific person?
Speaker 1: Honestly, yeah, I really was disappointed by how Charlie treated
Speaker 1: Riley throughout the season. I don't think it is such
Speaker 1: a thing to ask someone to hear you out and
Speaker 1: not treat them a type of way. It takes a
Speaker 1: lot of courage to communicate what she did, and I
Speaker 1: just think the way that he treated her was very unfair.
Speaker 2: If there's a second season and I'm going to call
Speaker 2: it how you said next gen New York City, would
Speaker 2: you talk about that on it, like go further with
Speaker 2: that notion? Would you work with Rey?
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I mean all of them, sorry, Charlie. How
Speaker 1: like Riley feels you know, sorry, yeah, feels resolve with everything,
Speaker 1: Like I'm just there to support her. But there's obviously
Speaker 1: so much footage that is cut down and no one
Speaker 1: can see everything. It would be literally one million episode
Speaker 1: season in order to say so, Like I've I definitely
Speaker 1: stuck up for Riley a lot throughout filming, It's just
Speaker 1: like these episodes are cut down very short, on and
Speaker 1: off camera. Then I've had conversations with Charlie about that,
Speaker 1: and he knows to this day that I'm extremely disappointed
Speaker 1: and don't support the way and when she handled that situation.
Speaker 2: I wish on shows that like archival footage that the
Speaker 2: castmates wanted to come back. Not the networks could we
Speaker 2: see that this because it is true. I mean the
Speaker 2: cameras are rolling like twenty four seven, not twenty four seven,
Speaker 2: But you know what I mean, it's they're never going
Speaker 2: to be able to see and it's obviously it is
Speaker 2: edited in a way, and all shows do this, you know,
Speaker 2: so the viewers watch. But it's a it's a I've
Speaker 2: been in these situations and so it's a tough situation
Speaker 2: that you're in, and I think you handle it beautifully.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'd like to talk to you one
Speaker 2: day when we don't have a camera on us or
Speaker 2: a podcast.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm vibing, and like, next time I'm in La,
Speaker 1: let's hang out, definitely, But the next time you're in
Speaker 1: New York. But yeah, I don't know. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't even know what we're just talking about.
Speaker 2: I don't know either. I was wondering how I like
Speaker 2: not look like a fool and ask you for a
Speaker 2: piece of your Brooksmarks clothingline. I need a tra sit
Speaker 2: what I can get you that? No, I'll pay for it.
Speaker 2: I'll pay for I want to support you.
Speaker 1: That's very sweet, But this has been so kind of
Speaker 1: you to have me on your podcast, and like, it's
Speaker 1: the least I can do to say thank you.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, okay, perfect, I'll accept them. You're really wait,
Speaker 2: you're funny.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: And I know you were funny before.
Speaker 1: Sorry, you learned something new every day.
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 1: But I also have a new resort collection coming out
Speaker 1: that I'm super excited about. I was just saying that
Speaker 1: because if you would prefer the OG track suit or.
Speaker 2: Oh this was a personal thing. Sorry, oh my god,
Speaker 2: you'd be nice to me. Sorry, And I don't know
Speaker 2: how to accept it when people are nice to me.
Speaker 1: Wait literally saying someone gives me a compliment, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can't take it.
Speaker 2: No, oh my gosh, okay, wait wait, what are my choices?
Speaker 2: I'm bow with choices too. I really do want to
Speaker 2: truck suit.
Speaker 1: I'm going to email it to or DM like literally whatever.
Speaker 2: I love DM. You know I do it all the time,
Speaker 2: talk to like people. I never would a millionaires think
Speaker 2: you would like talk to It's like.
Speaker 1: Crazy, are you like a reach out on DM? Person? Like? Yes,
Speaker 1: Like who do you reach out to? And what are
Speaker 1: you saying? Like someone who you watch on a show
Speaker 1: or like someone who's posts you like or you're like,
Speaker 1: what's the vibe?
Speaker 2: Okay, So my kids and I play this game well
Speaker 2: where they'll be like, oh yeah, I'm into this person
Speaker 2: and this person and I was like, oh, I'll DM
Speaker 2: them and we see who responds. So the coolest one
Speaker 2: that my kids bought is Ken Carson.
Speaker 1: That I'm familiar do you know?
Speaker 2: Okay? And they're like, oh, Ken Carson, He's never going
Speaker 2: to reply, he's huge. So I dmned him and he replied.
Speaker 2: So I'm like in bed one night and I like
Speaker 2: go to check my DMS and I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: Ken Carson responded, the kids are already asleep, but like
Speaker 2: my like twelve and thirteen year old are going to
Speaker 2: freak out. And my seventeen year old I had written
Speaker 2: and I was like hi, I was like, we adore you,
Speaker 2: and he wrote back it was just a booty call.
Speaker 1: And I was like, what what this is going on
Speaker 1: with his fan base?
Speaker 2: So I'm thinking I'm not cool? Is it that? Or
Speaker 2: is he thinking? So I had text him at nighttime.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, is he thinking? Tory
Speaker 2: spelling like oh shit, she slid into my DMS and
Speaker 2: she and she's want like a booty call. So I
Speaker 2: was like freaking out, like I don't even have to
Speaker 2: tell my kids. And then all of a sudden, I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, I connected it and confirmed
Speaker 2: with my kids. I was in a movie called Scary
Speaker 2: Movie Too and the I have sex with a ghost.
Speaker 2: I was, Oh, that's your age group. So you went
Speaker 2: to nine in too and I Scary Movie Too. I
Speaker 2: had brown hair. I was the girl the fuck the ghosts.
Speaker 1: That's icon.
Speaker 2: I was the girl that had sex with a ghost.
Speaker 2: So anyway the line was from the ghost is it
Speaker 2: was just a booty call. Shut the fuck. Yeah. So
Speaker 2: I was like a hero for my kids. The Ken
Speaker 2: Carson responded to me and even knew They were like, Mom,
Speaker 2: we won't even know who you are. And then he
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, it's tory spelling iconic Scary
Speaker 2: movie Too. So when I finally got it, I was like, lol,
Speaker 2: here for it, like as a joke, wink. And then
Speaker 2: he wrote love yea, and I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: And then my line that I created the movie is
Speaker 2: Kinky's Kinky's my mental name, bitch, So yeah, I wrote
Speaker 2: that back to him.
Speaker 1: Wait, that's amazing. That's actually incredible.
Speaker 2: See you thought I wasn't gonna have a good one.
Speaker 2: That was a good one. Right.
Speaker 1: No, that's insane because it's not.
Speaker 2: About Ken Carson. It's about like the story.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah. I mean does that happen to you a
Speaker 1: lot where people will just like say lines to you
Speaker 1: from your films and whatnot. Yeah, I find that to
Speaker 1: be such a funny thing that people just like come
Speaker 1: up to people and like scream a line at them. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I find it hysterical.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean in the show you don't know
Speaker 2: about called Beverly Hills, which you wouldn't because you're young.
Speaker 1: Well, I actually watched it, I know, two and O,
Speaker 1: but I think the remake, the c W version, Like, wait,
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills, is that scripted?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, so what was the reality show then? Oh?
Speaker 2: Of me? Yeah, how much time do you have? There's
Speaker 2: been a lot of incarnations. Okay, No, I'm just kidding. Tori.
Speaker 2: My husband, my ex husband's name is Dean, So it
Speaker 2: was Torri and Dean Home Sweet Hollywood, and then we
Speaker 2: had other shows. It was True Tory and then yeah,
Speaker 2: very nope, period True toy period. But on Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was a scripture show of teens in Beverly Hills in
Speaker 2: the nineties and I played a character called Donna Martin
Speaker 2: and she got drunk at prom. They weren't gonna let
Speaker 2: her graduate. All the kids had did a walk out
Speaker 2: to support her chance at Donna Martin graduates, which she
Speaker 2: became famous. And now that's what people say to me, like,
Speaker 2: Donna Martin graduates.
Speaker 1: That's so funny. I'm going to need to watch that series.
Speaker 1: That's going to be my next show.
Speaker 2: Mmm, it's a little dated, it's still hold.
Speaker 1: Up, really, I mean it was remade. That clearly means
Speaker 1: that it was a monumental like series.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's monumental, it's historical.