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Speaker 1: Misspelling with Tory Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast. Hi, Hi, I'm

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Speaker 1: super excited to chat with you.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, me too. You look way more beautiful

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Speaker 2: than me right now.

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Speaker 1: Wait, oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Please, I would say, what filter do you have on?

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Speaker 2: But you don't need a filter, But what filter do you.

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Speaker 1: Have to crank up the zoombler all the way?

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Speaker 2: Wait? What how do I do that?

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Speaker 1: I actually don't know if I did, but wait, let

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Speaker 1: me see. Yeah, you can fully touch up your parents

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Speaker 1: on zoom.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm an old bitch. So like archaic actresses,

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Speaker 2: they would be like vasoline on the lens.

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Speaker 1: I actually learned about that in film school.

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Speaker 2: Really.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they fully like taught me all about that before

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Speaker 1: the preface tune days.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. And when I was younger, I never

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Speaker 2: understood like older actresses and actress they would always be

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Speaker 2: like it's mostly actresses. They'd be like, never let them

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Speaker 2: film you from above, always from below, and now like

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Speaker 2: every pictures Like, I mean, you're young, but I'm sure

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Speaker 2: like your mom's always like put the camera up too.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, that's so cool though. I'm sure you like

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Speaker 1: have so many cool stories from all your experience with

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Speaker 1: the film industry and whatnot.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I do and I have a really

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Speaker 2: good memory, thank goodness. But yeah, especially stories from my dad,

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Speaker 2: Like my dad would tell me the most amazing stories

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Speaker 2: I didn't appreciate as a kid, and now looking back,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my gosh, yeah, those were iconic. And

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Speaker 2: when I tell yeah, if I'm out with Brents, They're like, wait,

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Speaker 2: what your dad? What in this Hollywood actress? Like that's crazy,

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Speaker 2: and like, oh wow, it was so like I was

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Speaker 2: just used to hearing about it every single day. But whatever,

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Speaker 2: let's talk about you. Are you sick of talking about yourself?

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Speaker 1: I don't do it that much honestly.

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Speaker 2: Okay, find do you want to talk about me?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Really?

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Speaker 2: Okay, what do you want to ask?

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Speaker 1: You're interested to hear about? Like all this film experience

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Speaker 1: and what so cool? I feel like also like it's

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Speaker 1: so saturated now and like ten years ago or however

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Speaker 1: long ago, like fifty years ago, like when your dad

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Speaker 1: was doing it, but like it was such a small

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Speaker 1: community and I feel like it's massive. You said massive, right,

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Speaker 1: am I wrong?

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Speaker 2: No, it's I don't know if it's a blessing or

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Speaker 2: a curse. Like when I was growing up, there was

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Speaker 2: like four like primetime networks like like you know, and

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Speaker 2: now was streaming. There's so many you can't even like,

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Speaker 2: I don't even know when things are coming and going

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Speaker 2: because you know, there's no more like billboards. I mean

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Speaker 2: there are, but like you know what I mean, It's like,

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Speaker 2: did you see the show on some streamer that I've

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Speaker 2: never even heard of? And it's like no, But then

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Speaker 2: I'll watch it. I'll be like, this is great. So

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Speaker 2: in my mind, I'm like, oh, there's so many opportunities.

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Speaker 2: And it doesn't matter what field we're in, you know,

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Speaker 2: if it's acting, if it's reality, if it's it's like, great,

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Speaker 2: we there's a million things we made now. But I

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Speaker 2: don't know if that's true.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true. I mean it's really it's true. I

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Speaker 1: feel like, yeah, streaming is such a blessing. It's a

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Speaker 1: blessing for like everything being more accessible, giving so much

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Speaker 1: more opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: It also feel like it makes artistic vision like diluted.

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Speaker 1: If that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you. Describe how why you feel about though.

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Speaker 1: I love that we're getting into like this course of

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Speaker 1: the film industry. I can't.

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Speaker 2: But what would you think I wanted to ask about

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Speaker 2: Real Housewives. Probably everyone els you about that. I'll get there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you know how like when you would

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Speaker 1: It's like, oh, you don't like the movie, turn it

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Speaker 2: What even the bad ones. No, it was like I

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Speaker 2: don't know, like have you ever walked out of a movie,

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Speaker 1: No? Have you?

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Speaker 1: I'm like if I'm buying this ticket, getting my snacks,

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Speaker 1: like I'm gonna sit through it, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm there for the snacks, yeah and everything. I mean.

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Speaker 2: The good thing is you can get like drinks now,

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Speaker 2: So that's that's a piece we invested. But I have

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Speaker 2: five kids, so you have to keep in mind. It's

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Speaker 2: different than what I'm typically would want to go see,

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Speaker 2: Like I would want for me, I love you know,

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Speaker 2: I would want to see independent films, like a documentary.

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Speaker 2: I would want to see horror films like I can't

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Speaker 2: see any of those with my kids.

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Speaker 1: Do you do Sundance ever?

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Speaker 2: I did? I used to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if the experience, Like I did it before

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Speaker 2: you were alive, So I.

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Speaker 1: Wonder not humanly possible? Well twenty six.

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Speaker 2: Whoa wait, I'm really bad with mats. You were born one.

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Speaker 1: Year in nineteen ninety nine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did it before you were alive. Oh fuck me.

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Speaker 1: I would have never guessed that. That's kind of insane.

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Speaker 1: You're like defying odds of humanity.

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Speaker 2: I'll take that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a major compliment. I mean, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Is that a T shirt? What? Defying the odds of humanity.

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Speaker 1: Should be my next straw?

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Speaker 2: Don't forget about me when you do it.

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Speaker 1: The inspiration that's right here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I had a film in Sundance

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Speaker 2: in ninety got ninety eight.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's really cool.

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Speaker 2: And I just remember I think it was ninety eight,

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Speaker 2: but I just remember thinking this is so cuckoo, Like

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh my gosh, our films in Sundance

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Speaker 2: like this is. It was like a tiny little film

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Speaker 2: we made. It was called The House of Yes. And

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Speaker 2: then I made a movie called trick and both of

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Speaker 2: them gone to Sundance, But the first one I was going,

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Speaker 2: I didn't know what to expect. And I'm a girl

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Speaker 2: I just remember thinking, like, what did I see like

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Speaker 2: Gwyneth Paltrow like wearing. And I remember going into Oh

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Speaker 2: my god, I went into Prada and bought like a

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Speaker 2: to be like on Beverly Hills like girl nine o

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Speaker 2: two one zero and being like I'm an artist and

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Speaker 2: bought a pants suit that I took to Sundance and

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Speaker 2: got there and I was like and heels, and I was.

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Speaker 1: Like horrified, Why is ever like jeans and a sweater?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. And I was like I think I

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Speaker 2: had to borrow stuff from friends, Like it was like ridiculous. Anyway, Sorry,

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Speaker 2: what do you like.

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Speaker 1: It was today? I probably would like, literally they didn't

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Speaker 1: even sell clothes on main Street, Like main Street literally

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Speaker 1: just got no lemon. Like five years ago, it's insane.

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Speaker 2: There was nothing. Yeah, there was like a couple like bars,

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Speaker 1: Was a no name, like did you do those? Or

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Speaker 1: because like the Chase Safire Lounge is not always been

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Speaker 1: there was out there in nineteen ninety eight, like what

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Speaker 1: were the vibes of Sundance in nineteen ninety eight was

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Speaker 1: like literally just see the film because now it's so

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Speaker 1: like events, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, No, it wasn't like that. You would like

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Speaker 2: the cast of each film, like they would have you

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Speaker 2: in like there was no airbnb. It was like a

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Speaker 2: then it would always be like word of mouth, like

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Speaker 2: it would be like, oh, this director is having a

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Speaker 2: don't know. There wasn't like the events that are now

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Speaker 2: like now it's major and everyone goes. And at the

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Speaker 2: a film, like you didn't go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's insane, it's so much fun. I

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Speaker 1: probably would not if it was nineteen ninety eight. I

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Speaker 1: probably would not have been able to attend sundowns, but

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Speaker 1: I'm very grateful for them because you were born, which

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Speaker 1: I am available to attend it and stuff. It's super fun.

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Speaker 2: Well at least you. I mean, where are you right now?

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Speaker 1: I'm in Austin, Texas?

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Speaker 2: Wait? Do you live there? Shright now?

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Speaker 1: This?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: My boyfriend lives between Austin and LA and so we

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Speaker 1: are in a long distance relationship and right now I

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Speaker 1: am visiting him.

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Speaker 2: How long have you guys been together?

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Speaker 1: Like a year and almost a half. I'd say we

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Speaker 1: met actually at Sundance, but officially became committed in a

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Speaker 1: relationship in like April of last year.

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Speaker 2: So you have so long distance entire time then? Mm hmmm,

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Speaker 2: oh my.

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Speaker 1: Goodness at a long distance and like still is.

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Speaker 2: Okay? Are you worry for the next move? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And like when are when are we gonna like get

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Speaker 1: a place in New York together?

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Speaker 2: Is that the face you've called him the most incredible boyfriend? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's.

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Speaker 2: Well you have to say that because you're with him currently?

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Speaker 1: Could that would be a toxic on healthy relationship, which

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Speaker 1: I know all too much about. But I think I

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Speaker 1: forgot what the other what what did you just ask?

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Speaker 2: I forgot, I don't know. You laughed and smiled, and

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Speaker 2: I got distracted. Oh you were telling me the next

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Speaker 2: step would be to move in together. Oh and you

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Speaker 2: were going to get a place in New York. That's

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Speaker 2: the game plan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's where like all my work is

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Speaker 1: based and all my inspiration really comes out of New

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Speaker 1: York with my brand and whatnot. I also love La

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Speaker 1: and so the fact that he's part Austin part LA, Like,

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Speaker 1: I can deal with the La of it, the Austin part.

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Speaker 1: It's super fun getting to explore a new city, but.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever been it'll.

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Speaker 1: Figuring it out, yeah, I mean they have like everything here.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty crazy. But they say that is if it's

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Speaker 1: like not a metropolitan city, pretty cool town. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I basically just come here for my man.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Wait, so you guys met at Sundance? You

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Speaker 2: can we tell the story before?

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Speaker 1: Sorry, No, I really haven't gotten into it. We met

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Speaker 1: at like an event. How did this pop up at Sundance?

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Speaker 1: And there was this really handsome man that just like

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Speaker 1: walked into this VIP if you will, Like it's not

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Speaker 1: I mean I have been like really private about my

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, he has like the sweetest family ever.

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Speaker 2: they do.

439
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: Literally everyone. It's like it's like before that was like

440
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 1: the thing.

441
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, God, everyone says it. Yeah, you're either an entrepreneur

442
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: or a narcissist. That's the only two words who talk about. Wait,

443
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 2: what the hell? What would what would it be like

444
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 2: in my generation? Nineteen ninety eight, the year before you

445
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 2: were born? What would it have been? Wait ninety nine

446
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 2: you were born?

447
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: Right? What was it like before social media?

448
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, I can't remember.

449
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: Blame now it's like everyone just puts like public figure

450
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 1: on their Instagram bio, where like I don't like that

451
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: It's just it's too easy to just throw a label

452
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: on whatever you want to be, whereas like in nineteen.

453
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,479
Speaker 2: They don't give you choices. Sometimes it's like you have

454
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 2: to pick one. Yeah, yeah, sorry I cut you off.

455
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 2: So what would the word be? Smart? Driven? Creative?

456
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: Uh?

457
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 2: Why am I singing in that voice?

458
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: WHOA? I'm literally like shitting on the term entrepreneur and

459
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know how else to describe what

460
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: I do. I it is like fashion entrepreneurship. I mean

461
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: I built a brand off of a hoodie and in

462
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: a sweatsuit with a much stronger purpose. Like I guess

463
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: you could say it's a movement.

464
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 2: See I love that because I love double entendres, even

465
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 2: though that's not easy to say either. But it is

466
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 2: a movement because also with your wear, like your move

467
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: like it is.

468
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a double entendre.

469
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 2: Did I say it wrong? I say, and Andre? Is

470
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: it tomato Tomato nooks marks? Do you just correct me? No?

471
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 1: I did not major in English.

472
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 2: So I mean my last name is spelling. I can

473
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 2: spell it. I just don't know how to say it.

474
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 2: Can I ask you when you started your brand, what

475
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 2: I mean, what was the hardest thing about having a

476
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 2: brand that you wanted to create and going from creating

477
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 2: it to execution of.

478
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: It, building a team to help me see the same vision. Probably,

479
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: I mean I think that people are not. I'll retract

480
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: that it's very easy to look at a garment of

481
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: clothing and say like this is You could even just

482
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: take like a black T shirt and be like, in

483
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: my case, a hoodie with a stripe going down the

484
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: side and just say like, this is literally a hoodie

485
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,959
Speaker 1: with a stripe going down the side, like with your

486
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: name on it, Like nothing, great, whatever. What people don't

487
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: understand is the intricacies of having to measure every single

488
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: centimeter of that garment, having to go through development to

489
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 1: create the fabric that you want, the importance of the

490
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: composition of the fabric, and like the process in which

491
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: my like jackered ribbon goes on the side and all

492
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: of these things. How many samples we have to go through?

493
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: And I say we, as in.

494
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 2: Me Jackert or Jacard.

495
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,719
Speaker 1: Actually you're correcting me now I think it might be Jaccard.

496
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 2: I'm just having fun with you.

497
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, like, people don't understand how many samples you

498
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: have to go through, Like the spec sheets all of

499
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: that is my responsibility at my brand and I did

500
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: not just private label something. And that's what I'm really

501
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: proud of is building a brand that is a community

502
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: for people to you know, feel comfortable in their skin

503
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: and feel comfortable in their clothes with it.

504
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 2: I love hearing you say that because I feel like

505
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: it's so true, and especially in today's world, like everything

506
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 2: is replicated and everything, and it goes back to like

507
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: an old mentality. I guess of the pride there's a

508
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: double one pondre there and on Tondra and ownership of

509
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 2: any product that you do or any idea that you do.

510
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 2: It doesn't even have to be in your world, and

511
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 2: that resonates I feel like, do you feel like, would

512
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: you ever do your brand as like an online like

513
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 2: a big what's the word I'm looking for? If would

514
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 2: you ever do like QBC or Home Shopping Network?

515
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: Never say never, But that is not on my short

516
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: term goal list right.

517
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 2: Now, because do you feel like you work so hard

518
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: at the composition of the brand and the material and

519
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: the final product that gets put out that would you

520
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: not want to grow to put out a mass line? Look, look,

521
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: this is me trying to talk to a designer and

522
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: not have the words, but you can the motion behind it.

523
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just not essentially I'd say the goal

524
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: of my brand. At the end of the day, the

525
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: goal for my brand is to I'm like, very proud

526
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: of the fact that I'm a fully unisex label, which

527
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: I think is an incredibly difficult thing to do, especially

528
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: with some of the garments that I've launched, like the

529
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: Universal Panel pant, where it's a structured pant and the

530
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: waistband obviously sits differently depending on your body. So for

531
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,719
Speaker 1: someone who wants to wear the pant high waisted, it

532
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: needs to be like it needs to work for someone

533
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: who wants it low waisted and similar with like the

534
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: crotch length and everything, you know. So that was something

535
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: that was really difficult to develop. But I'm really proud

536
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: of the fact that my brand is fully unisex, and

537
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: essentially the goal is to create a community that everyone

538
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: feels welcomed in.

539
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: It wouldn't be nice though, for everyone, if it could

540
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 2: get to that level where people didn't judge and you

541
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: could make something with such huge mass appeal while still

542
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: being able to incorporate the innovation and what it means

543
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 2: to you and yeah, the brand and type pretty correct.

544
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: No, correct for sure, I mean, yeah, have you, but

545
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: you're changing.

546
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 2: I feel like what people think in the fashion world,

547
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: so I would love to see it get to that

548
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 2: where it's do you know what I'm saying.

549
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, thank you. I appreciate that.

550
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: And I know, I know I'm probably saying things that

551
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: designers are like, I never want to be on that

552
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,479
Speaker 2: level and that tier, like it's you know, you want

553
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 2: to keep it at a top tier level. But I

554
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: think the world, I hope the world is changing and

555
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: involving so much that you know, we could have something

556
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: that means something everywhere for everyone wanting it. I'm here's

557
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,959
Speaker 2: babbling my words now. I'll go back back to Onondre No.

558
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: I completely agree. I think that one of the like

559
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: issues in the fashion industry right now is the like

560
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: pace at which trends change and fast fast, and the

561
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: whole like lack.

562
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: Of do you find fast fashion insulting?

563
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: I think that for some people it's like all they

564
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: can get to, which is a problem, like no one

565
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: should have to resort to fast fashion. But I think

566
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: it is also a misconception that that is the case

567
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: when there are plenty of places to not have to

568
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,719
Speaker 1: resort to fast fashion. But I just think promoting like

569
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: conscious consumption is the most important thing with my brand.

570
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: I try to create items that are meant to be

571
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: in your closet for decades and not something that's going

572
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: to go out of trend. So like me, you're meant

573
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: to be in the closet for a decade.

574
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, never go out of trend.

575
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: Oh oh oh yeah period.

576
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: No, I mean, yeah, you can have me in your

577
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 2: closet for decades. I'm saying, you can just keep using me,

578
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: and it's like and taking me out and people aren't like, oh,

579
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 2: that's out of style, that's I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm like vintage.

580
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: There's something I don't know, but yeah, I mean that's

581
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: sort of at the end of it. What I think

582
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: is important with promoting conscious consumption is just like creating

583
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: staples for people to have in their wardrobe. I agree,

584
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: and also like the composition and whatnot, because there are

585
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: certain materials that are like more damaging to the environment

586
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: than others.

587
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: It makes me sad for my teens because I feel

588
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 2: like they don't understand that, and you know, with their friends,

589
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: they're on a budget. And they don't understand what it

590
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 2: truly means. You know, I think in their brains. It's

591
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: the young ones, like my twelve and thirty year old

592
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: their brains it's just like, oh, we got it, it

593
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: was cheap. Oh, it just didn't last long, or it

594
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: just wasn't made great fill a part after one wearing,

595
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: and it's just there's so much involved in the way

596
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: it was made that they're not conscious of. No pun intended,

597
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

598
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean completely like nail on the head. Also,

599
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: the ethics behind the manufacturing of it is a huge

600
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: thick concern. But yeah, that's something that I've always worked

601
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: on with my brand that I've been super proud of.

602
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: So you could say that it's a hoodie with my

603
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,959
Speaker 1: name on it, but it's a lot more than that,

604
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There's a reason that I

605
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 1: put my name on that hoodie.

606
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. And you have a really good name.

607
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: Thank you. You have such a good name.

608
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: Like it's not fair, thank you? I mean, so do you?

609
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: You literally cannot make that name up. Hell, you're a verb.

610
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: You're a walking verb.

611
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh can I snag that one?

612
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a walking verb.

613
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love that. Okay, I'm going to

614
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: talk for one second my Real Housewives Salt Lake City.

615
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 2: And I only just rolled my eyes because I feel

616
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 2: like I feel embarrassed. I feel like everybody asks you no, no, no.

617
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 2: This is literally the only reason. Like I obviously I

618
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 2: want to ask you questions because it's relevant, but like

619
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 2: I feel like everybody asks you the same thing.

620
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: So no, I no ask whatever you want. I'm like

621
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 1: just fingers crossed. It don't get in trouble.

622
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 2: Fingers crossed. We do get in trouble. Have you met me? No?

623
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 2: Yeah you did today. But okay, So there's rumors that

624
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: Genshaw is coming back to the show.

625
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about her right now.

626
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 2: I don't either tell me.

627
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: Well, if I knew, i'd be able to share it,

628
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: But I don't know anything about her other than you

629
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: know is in the public right now.

630
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: Fair your mom's a DJ. I did not know this.

631
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a really talented DJ.

632
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 2: That's amazing. Mm hmm, that's like on my bucket list.

633
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: She's awesome. Yeah, you're based in Yeah, so next time

634
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:26,720
Speaker 1: she actually DJ'ed at out Loud and who really? Next

635
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: time she hopefully, Like if there's if that is a

636
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 1: thing next year, you'll have to come.

637
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: I would love to. Oh my gosh, I even when

638
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 2: I watch her, I feel like she and I were

639
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: be friends. Absolutely, he said, Cavier, you.

640
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: You guys probably crossed paths. My mom grew up going

641
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: to we must have got out of or my grandpa

642
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 1: had a place in Beverly Hills, Like, oh, we're going

643
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: there all the time. And then nineties.

644
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: What you were alive in the nineties.

645
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: No, yeah, it was before I was alive, unfortunately, because

646
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 1: I would have loved to spend time there too.

647
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,919
Speaker 2: Oh you were saying your mom. Okay, okay, so I'm

648
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 2: catching up. Wait, wait where who had a place in La?

649
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 2: Your grandpa?

650
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, my grandpa.

651
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 2: Where do you know where?

652
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Beverly Hills, like behind the Beverly Hills Hotel

653
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: in the Hills part.

654
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: Oh okay, ooh I wonder where? And so your mom Okay,

655
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: so we've probably totally met.

656
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys have probably cross spots. I mean, like

657
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: La is so small, lowl one Beverly Hills, like you.

658
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 2: Know it really truly is. No one believes that, but

659
00:37:48,239 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, do you feel like you have a

660
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 2: lot of responsibility now that you're so in the public

661
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: eye to not that you're not. I find you very authentic,

662
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 2: But do you feel like you have to choose your

663
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 2: words carefully?

664
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, I mean literally just then like going

665
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: through my brain, yes, I do. I just I mean,

666
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: like having a platform is a blessing, and I just

667
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: want to make sure that I'm always like using it

668
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: in the best way possible. I never want to like listen, right, well.

669
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 2: Your narrative is your narrative, and and that's in obviously

670
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: you Yeah, did you figure that out after the first

671
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 2: season you were on a Real Housewives of Salt Lake

672
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 2: City that You're like, I can't control the editing. I

673
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 2: can't control what they use and how it's taking out

674
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 2: of context once it goes social or viral, and then

675
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: had to kind of rein it in. Yeah.

676
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 1: No, I mean no, I would say that, like the capacity.

677
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: What was so great about Next in New York was

678
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: that our next graen wise, I love to call it

679
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 1: Next to New York.

680
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: I know You've said it so many times, and I'm like,

681
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: and in my brain every time, I'm like, I just

682
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 2: love your voice. I think you're like have. Your articulation

683
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 2: is so great. You would be great in voiceovers. By

684
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: the way, your articulation, I am envious because I like

685
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: meld all my words together. Okay, sorry, but I love

686
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: how you call it. Yeah, you've said New York City

687
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 2: every time instead of NYC, which is rad.

688
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, next gen NYC is. It was like an opportunity

689
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: to actually get to show my personality and whatnot. I

690
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: feel like the capacity in which I was shown on

691
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City is like ten minutes over the span

692
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: of seasons, so it's like people don't really get to

693
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: know me. It's not a show about housewives kids to

694
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: show about housewives obviously, so I think it's like seeing

695
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: me in such a limited capacity, people make so many

696
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: assumptions and whatnot, and that was something that had a

697
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: really hard time handling. But over my years, like in

698
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: the public space, I feel like I'm finally at a

699
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: point like now more than ever where it's just like

700
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: as long as you're living or truth and saying facts like,

701
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: you can do no wrong, you know what I mean?

702
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd be great in court.

703
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: Did you have to acclimate to it or were you

704
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: sort of like always in the public since you were born.

705
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 2: I was literally born into it. But it's not like

706
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 2: I was ever. There was no like when I was

707
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: a kid, like social media training or like you know,

708
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 2: like act like this. I don't think. I think I

709
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: just realized quickly I was the daughter of someone who

710
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: was famous and I was a representation of him. But

711
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: my mom and dad never said to me, like, make

712
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 2: sure you act you know, polited in public and act this,

713
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 2: you know, a certain way because you're representing the family.

714
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: And then when I was on nine oh two and

715
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I just I learned quickly. Like I look

716
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 2: back at interviews I gave when I was in my

717
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: late teens early twenties, and I'm like, that is so

718
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 2: not me, Like I was so not guarded. But I

719
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 2: just wanted to make sure I said the right thing

720
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: of what I thought people wanted to see me as,

721
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 2: because keep in mind, back then there wasn't social media,

722
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: so what you saw in limited interviews on talk shows

723
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 2: and stuff, that was it. And it wasn't until I

724
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 2: was able to like just speak my authentic self that

725
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: people are like, oh, we're not labeling her as this,

726
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: this or this anymore because she has a voice. So

727
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 2: I probably I think I go too far now, but

728
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 2: it's been very liberating for me to have a voice

729
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 2: and not just be seen as a certain thing, whether

730
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 2: it was I know, you know what I'm talking about.

731
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I completely agree. I mean, like it's one

732
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: thing to speak truth and like, as long as you're

733
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: being honest whatever, But like, no, that's something that I've

734
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: run into with next Gen and I see it's like,

735
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: I'm sure you could take that argument and apply to

736
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: people who have come into fire on the show and

737
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: whatnot for things that they've said. But it's like, as

738
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: long as you are making an effort to be a

739
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: good person, like that's different than saying things because you're like, oh,

740
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: like I'm being completely honest and real. It's like, I'm

741
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: gonna be completely honest and real, but I'm never going

742
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: to intentionally try to hurt someone, and if I do,

743
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 1: I'll take accountability and apologize for it, you know what

744
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 1: I mean. Whereas yeah, some people won't and they don't

745
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 1: care if they hurt someone and they're just like that's

746
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: how I feel whatever.

747
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: So are you for inter a specific person?

748
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: Honestly, yeah, I really was disappointed by how Charlie treated

749
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: Riley throughout the season. I don't think it is such

750
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: a thing to ask someone to hear you out and

751
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: not treat them a type of way. It takes a

752
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 1: lot of courage to communicate what she did, and I

753
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: just think the way that he treated her was very unfair.

754
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 2: If there's a second season and I'm going to call

755
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: it how you said next gen New York City, would

756
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 2: you talk about that on it, like go further with

757
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 2: that notion? Would you work with Rey?

758
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I mean all of them, sorry, Charlie. How

759
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: like Riley feels you know, sorry, yeah, feels resolve with everything,

760
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: Like I'm just there to support her. But there's obviously

761
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: so much footage that is cut down and no one

762
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: can see everything. It would be literally one million episode

763
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: season in order to say so, Like I've I definitely

764
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: stuck up for Riley a lot throughout filming, It's just

765
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: like these episodes are cut down very short, on and

766
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: off camera. Then I've had conversations with Charlie about that,

767
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: and he knows to this day that I'm extremely disappointed

768
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: and don't support the way and when she handled that situation.

769
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: I wish on shows that like archival footage that the

770
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 2: castmates wanted to come back. Not the networks could we

771
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: see that this because it is true. I mean the

772
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: cameras are rolling like twenty four seven, not twenty four seven,

773
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 2: But you know what I mean, it's they're never going

774
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 2: to be able to see and it's obviously it is

775
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: edited in a way, and all shows do this, you know,

776
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 2: so the viewers watch. But it's a it's a I've

777
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: been in these situations and so it's a tough situation

778
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: that you're in, and I think you handle it beautifully.

779
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: Thank you.

780
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'd like to talk to you one

781
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 2: day when we don't have a camera on us or

782
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: a podcast.

783
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm vibing, and like, next time I'm in La,

784
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: let's hang out, definitely, But the next time you're in

785
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: New York. But yeah, I don't know. I mean, I

786
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: don't even know what we're just talking about.

787
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 2: I don't know either. I was wondering how I like

788
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 2: not look like a fool and ask you for a

789
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: piece of your Brooksmarks clothingline. I need a tra sit

790
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 2: what I can get you that? No, I'll pay for it.

791
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 2: I'll pay for I want to support you.

792
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: That's very sweet, But this has been so kind of

793
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 1: you to have me on your podcast, and like, it's

794
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: the least I can do to say thank you.

795
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, okay, perfect, I'll accept them. You're really wait,

796
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 2: you're funny.

797
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: Thank you.

798
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 2: And I know you were funny before.

799
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: Sorry, you learned something new every day.

800
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: I didn't.

801
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: But I also have a new resort collection coming out

802
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: that I'm super excited about. I was just saying that

803
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: because if you would prefer the OG track suit or.

804
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 2: Oh this was a personal thing. Sorry, oh my god,

805
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 2: you'd be nice to me. Sorry, And I don't know

806
00:45:58,400 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 2: how to accept it when people are nice to me.

807
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: Wait literally saying someone gives me a compliment, I'm like,

808
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: I can't take it.

809
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 2: No, oh my gosh, okay, wait wait, what are my choices?

810
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 2: I'm bow with choices too. I really do want to

811
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 2: truck suit.

812
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to email it to or DM like literally whatever.

813
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,439
Speaker 2: I love DM. You know I do it all the time,

814
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 2: talk to like people. I never would a millionaires think

815
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 2: you would like talk to It's like.

816
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 1: Crazy, are you like a reach out on DM? Person? Like? Yes,

817
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: Like who do you reach out to? And what are

818
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 1: you saying? Like someone who you watch on a show

819
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: or like someone who's posts you like or you're like,

820
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: what's the vibe?

821
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 2: Okay, So my kids and I play this game well

822
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 2: where they'll be like, oh yeah, I'm into this person

823
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: and this person and I was like, oh, I'll DM

824
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: them and we see who responds. So the coolest one

825
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: that my kids bought is Ken Carson.

826
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: That I'm familiar do you know?

827
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: Okay? And they're like, oh, Ken Carson, He's never going

828
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 2: to reply, he's huge. So I dmned him and he replied.

829
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: So I'm like in bed one night and I like

830
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 2: go to check my DMS and I was like, oh shit,

831
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 2: Ken Carson responded, the kids are already asleep, but like

832
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 2: my like twelve and thirteen year old are going to

833
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: freak out. And my seventeen year old I had written

834
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 2: and I was like hi, I was like, we adore you,

835
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 2: and he wrote back it was just a booty call.

836
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: And I was like, what what this is going on

837
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: with his fan base?

838
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 2: So I'm thinking I'm not cool? Is it that? Or

839
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 2: is he thinking? So I had text him at nighttime.

840
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, is he thinking? Tory

841
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 2: spelling like oh shit, she slid into my DMS and

842
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: she and she's want like a booty call. So I

843
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 2: was like freaking out, like I don't even have to

844
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 2: tell my kids. And then all of a sudden, I

845
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, I connected it and confirmed

846
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 2: with my kids. I was in a movie called Scary

847
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 2: Movie Too and the I have sex with a ghost.

848
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 2: I was, Oh, that's your age group. So you went

849
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 2: to nine in too and I Scary Movie Too. I

850
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 2: had brown hair. I was the girl the fuck the ghosts.

851
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:17,439
Speaker 1: That's icon.

852
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 2: I was the girl that had sex with a ghost.

853
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: So anyway the line was from the ghost is it

854
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: was just a booty call. Shut the fuck. Yeah. So

855
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 2: I was like a hero for my kids. The Ken

856
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 2: Carson responded to me and even knew They were like, Mom,

857
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: we won't even know who you are. And then he

858
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, it's tory spelling iconic Scary

859
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 2: movie Too. So when I finally got it, I was like, lol,

860
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 2: here for it, like as a joke, wink. And then

861
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 2: he wrote love yea, and I was like, oh my god.

862
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 2: And then my line that I created the movie is

863
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 2: Kinky's Kinky's my mental name, bitch, So yeah, I wrote

864
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 2: that back to him.

865
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: Wait, that's amazing. That's actually incredible.

866
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 2: See you thought I wasn't gonna have a good one.

867
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: That was a good one. Right.

868
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: No, that's insane because it's not.

869
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 2: About Ken Carson. It's about like the story.

870
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah. I mean does that happen to you a

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Speaker 1: lot where people will just like say lines to you

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Speaker 1: from your films and whatnot. Yeah, I find that to

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Speaker 1: be such a funny thing that people just like come

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Speaker 1: up to people and like scream a line at them. Like,

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, I find it hysterical.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean in the show you don't know

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Speaker 2: about called Beverly Hills, which you wouldn't because you're young.

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Speaker 1: Well, I actually watched it, I know, two and O,

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Speaker 1: but I think the remake, the c W version, Like, wait,

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Speaker 1: Beverly Hills, is that scripted?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so what was the reality show then? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Of me? Yeah, how much time do you have? There's

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Speaker 2: been a lot of incarnations. Okay, No, I'm just kidding. Tori.

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Speaker 2: My husband, my ex husband's name is Dean, So it

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Speaker 2: was Torri and Dean Home Sweet Hollywood, and then we

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Speaker 2: had other shows. It was True Tory and then yeah,

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Speaker 2: very nope, period True toy period. But on Yeah, it

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Speaker 2: was a scripture show of teens in Beverly Hills in

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Speaker 2: the nineties and I played a character called Donna Martin

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Speaker 2: and she got drunk at prom. They weren't gonna let

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Speaker 2: her graduate. All the kids had did a walk out

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Speaker 2: to support her chance at Donna Martin graduates, which she

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Speaker 2: became famous. And now that's what people say to me, like,

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Speaker 2: Donna Martin graduates.

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Speaker 1: That's so funny. I'm going to need to watch that series.

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Speaker 1: That's going to be my next show.

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Speaker 2: Mmm, it's a little dated, it's still hold.

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Speaker 1: Up, really, I mean it was remade. That clearly means

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Speaker 1: that it was a monumental like series.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's monumental, it's historical.