WEBVTT - Lynn McCracken Meets World 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:25.360 Keaton went to school today dressed as a vampire? Why 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:29.000 and well, you know he's a costume kid, right, Like, 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:33.280 he's just in costume all the time. There was a 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:35.479 short period for a few months where I thought we 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:37.920 had gone beyond it, where he kind of just stopped 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:39.600 asking to be in costumes and I was like, great, 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:43.080 we've outgrown this. And then no, it just started all 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:46.360 over again. And the other day he went dressed to 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:52.800 school in all full deadpool with gloves, hands and everything, 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:55.720 and when he came home he wasn't wearing it. 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:57.560 And I said, well, what happened to your costume? 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:02.200 And he said, my teacher said that my gloves, cleaning whale, 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:05.039 my gloves, but the gloves are attached to the costume, 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:07.360 so he couldn't just take the gloves off, so she 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:09.800 made him take it off. So to this morning, when 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:13.840 he was like, came downstairs with a vampire costume and 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:15.840 he said, I want to wear this to school and 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:18.800 I said, we're not allowed to wear costumes to school. 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:20.440 Remember last week you had to take it off. And 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:23.759 he say, vampyros don't wear gloves. 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:33.880 So he's a Spanish And I said, okay, I mean 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:38.520 you're right, there's no gloves and the. 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:41.600 Vampire costume is a shirt and pants. 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:43.240 And a cape, and so he can get himself undressed 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:45.000 because the other problem is with the full one piece 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:48.080 costumes for Spider Man or whatever, he can't unzip himself 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:49.880 and then he's having to ask the teachers to help 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:50.640 him go to the bathroom. 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:51.360 And like, we're beyond that. 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:53.640 Well, Spider Man ask people, that's that happens in real 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:56.600 life too. That's a real, actual superhero problem that nobody addresses. 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:57.600 Real life problem. 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:00.440 Yeah, it's a real life superhero problem, which is like, hey, 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:02.320 I just saved the bank, but I have to peek 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:04.320 and somebody, I'm. 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:06.280 Telling you he's not going to outgrow this, like because 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:09.679 oh yeah, Indy's a costume kid. I was a costume kid. 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:12.280 Like when, but when does it become like now you're 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:14.400 the sixteen year old kid dressed like Batman in school? 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:18.000 When does it become weird? Is the question? I think 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:18.680 it's fine. 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:22.320 Like I used to keep lists of what Halloween costumes 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:24.320 I would want, Like throughout the year, I would make 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:26.919 a list of and Indy does the same thing. 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:29.959 So do and and we talk about it all year long. 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:35.160 There was one Halloween, Indy had three separate outfits. 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:37.360 Yes, it's Halloween math class. 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:40.040 When you're fourteen and you just happen to be dressed 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:42.400 like Deadpool, that's when people start to talk. 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:46.600 I don't think it's coming from you, like the convention 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:47.760 superhero guys. 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:49.120 I know, I was not thinking. 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:54.480 First of all, superheroes in school are their regular human forms. 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:56.400 They're Peter Parker Wayne. 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:57.519 But I noticed about. 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:01.040 Somebody would want to dress up and be whatever, let 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:04.440 their freak flag fly in costume in school should be 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:06.200 like great, Okay, I would. 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:07.840 Say there's a time and a place. I would say 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:09.000 school wouldn't be the time. 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:12.760 Again, Keaton an Adler's age, fine, I would say even 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:13.760 Indie could probably. 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:14.120 Get away with it. 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:17.440 You're not eighth grade, ninth grade, and you're going to 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:19.240 school dressed in a superhero costume. 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:20.400 People are gonna talk. 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:25.840 He an adult man, but the adult man to talk. 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:27.280 That's maybe you do. 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:29.360 That's what I'm saying. It's like, it's totally fine. 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:30.440 It is fine. 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:31.480 I wouldn't want to do it. 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:34.000 Yeah, you're gonna there's you're gonna get the rep as 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:36.400 the kid. Oh, that's that's the superhero kid. That's gonna 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:37.400 follow you around. 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:40.440 Great, Okay, you are a superhero kid, what are you 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:41.200 talking about? 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:42.760 Do it? 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:46.279 I never went to school dressed as a superhero. 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:48.200 He had his cape. 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:50.560 So he's got a cape with a big satin thing 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:52.440 that comes up here and it goes all the way around. 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:54.600 And so he walked into school today with the cape 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:57.720 over his shoulders and he walked in like hunching around, 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:02.440 and Jensen said he's a vampire. And all the teachers went, oh, 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:05.520 just thinking he had a cape on. And Jensen said, yeah, 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:08.600 he can turn you all into zombies and he can 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:09.880 fly away like a bat. 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:10.760 And then Keaton went. 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:16.600 And like ripped open the cape and was wearing his 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:17.159 full costu. 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:21.960 Everyone's like, oh, well, first of all, it's great cape weather. 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:26.200 Oh totally, that's the first thing. Secondly, vampires don't turn 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:27.000 you into zombies. 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:30.240 I know, vampire chang. 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:35.440 Yeah, that's not how that works. He's going to turn 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:36.520 you into a were wolf. 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:37.840 And that's all he's gonna know. 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:41.840 Yeah, we have to do. We have to just do 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:43.040 whatever comes to mind. 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.919 Because when he's in these moods and he's then dressed 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:48.600 as a vampire, he like he just wants to keep 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:50.240 it going, and we all have to play along. And 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:52.640 we're also though, like trying to like make breakfast and 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:54.680 get him out the door for school, so we just 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:56.640 say whatever comes to our mind. Like he'll walk up 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:58.080 to us and like hit us on the arm and 0:04:58.080 --> 0:04:59.680 we're like, oh no, I'm a. 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:02.720 Like we totally inaccurate. 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:06.159 We become a servants, which it's accurate. 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:08.359 I mean that's why they lead to the Master of 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.360 the Masters, you know, Vampire, but not sounding that's a 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:12.000 whole different thing. 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:15.440 Sorry. This is the thing like you realize when you 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:18.320 have a kid, is like because you think, oh, playing 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:20.760 make believe with kids is so much fun, but the 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:23.000 reality is there's no rules, so it gets so boring. 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:24.920 So cool, oh I'm a cloud. 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:27.800 Now, my unicorn now, and you're just like, wait, hold on, 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:32.240 if it's consistency, can we roll some dice for whether 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.400 you actually can do that or not? Like it's like 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:37.240 without any boundaries, it's like the most boring thing to 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:39.760 play as Also, I have. 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:42.159 To work in all the normal day to day things 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:45.120 into the playtime, so like vampire, your teeth need to 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:45.839 be sharpened. 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:48.960 Let me use your toothbrush to sharpen your. 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:52.400 Teeth, because if I just like your shoes, if I 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:54.279 say like, stop, it's enough playing. We have to go 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:56.880 brush your teeth now, oh good luck. You just rule 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:59.880 into the entire morning. So now it's about sharpening his teeth. 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:03.440 And I'm like, meanwhile, it's six point forty in the 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:07.680 morning and I've lost just tired. But listen, it's for 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:12.560 right now. It's very cute and it's it's not yet 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:16.080 a problem. I will see what happens when we're we're 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:18.839 still doing this podcast when he's twelve, I'll let you know. 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:21.560 Trust me, we'll hear about it. 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:26.640 Welcome to Pod Meets World. I'm Danielle Fischel, I'm Right or. 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:28.160 Strong, and I'm Wilfordell. 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:43.640 We have called the Boy Meets World cast and Crewe 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:48.000 Family many times on this podcast. With the everyday grind, 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:50.960 both the good and the bad, the entertainment business can 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.840 create that kind of dynamic, a group of people all 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:58.000 striving for one common goal to make something magical or 0:06:58.320 --> 0:06:59.520 in some cases. 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:02.680 Something that is good enough. Well. 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:05.760 On our show, we were lucky to have actual family, 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.839 whether it was background actors husband and wife Kevin and 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:12.920 Tracy Thompson, directors and brothers Kevin Tracy and John Tracy, 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:15.920 or Ben Savage and Fred Savage. It was no shock 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:18.559 when we'd find out someone had a sibling, spouse, brother, 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:21.760 or cousin working on set, and this week's guest was 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:25.080 one half of our favorite duo. She started as a 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:28.920 first assistant slash stage manager for the show, then moved 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:31.720 her way up to direct her first episode of TV. Ever, 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:36.520 our recently rewatched season six Christmas special Santa's Little Helper, 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:39.320 and that was just the start. She'd go on to 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:41.760 direct not only two more Boy Meets World episodes in 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:45.840 season seven, but also still standing Fuller House eight, Simple 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.640 Rules and according to Jim, to just name a few, 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:52.280 and she'd spend time on Ellen, Veronica's Closet and two 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:55.160 movies I most certainly have to ask her about later. 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:58.960 She's a two time DGA Award nominee and tied for 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:03.880 first for coolt person with the last name McCracken. This 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:06.640 week on Pod Meets World, it's someone we've been looking 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:07.800 forward to talking. 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:10.640 To for quite some time. It's director Lynn McCracken. 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:25.960 Lynn, Lynn, Oh, it's so good to see you. 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:32.319 Yeah, my gosh, happy. 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:37.959 I know, but we're not children. Anymore? 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:42.840 Where are the old, middle aged best and clinging? 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:48.480 What a life you guys have, right? 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:51.400 Who looks the same? You like the same? 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:54.320 No, I don't know why. 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:59.840 It is so good to see you reuniting with people 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:04.040 we love thirty years. 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:06.200 After the fact of the time that we met. 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:09.600 Is I think none of us would would argue is 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:11.640 that it's just the best part of the podcast. Yeah, 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:16.160 it's such an absolute joy and seeing you is just 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:18.280 right up at the top of that list. 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:21.240 So can we talk. 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:25.400 About how your career started off in high fashion photography? 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:29.800 That is a new one for us. I need to 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:31.199 know more about that. 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:36.640 I was an assistant to a photographer. His name is 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:41.160 Adrian Buckmaster, and we did a couple of Lorel campaigns 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:49.160 and I learned everything about cameras from Adrian, And you know, 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:51.200 I had love for cameras ever since I was a 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:56.240 little kid and being behind the camera and it's so 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:59.520 safe being behind the camera. You guys are you are 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:00.360 the brain ones? 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:00.680 Right? 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:03.040 I mean you know this as being directors, it's like 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:07.199 you get responsibilities, but it's it's really a great place 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:11.960 to be and an Adrian and we did a whole 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:14.360 bunch of campaigns in New York. It's when I lived 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:17.520 in New York and I just graduated from the Neighborhood 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:23.880 Playhouse and I was, you know, his wife at the time, 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:28.800 his Karen Savelle, was a good friend of mine and 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:31.040 and that's how it all happened. So it was great. 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:32.400 It was a great exposure. 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:34.600 Wow, did you want camera? 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:39.400 That was a camera pun? That was a camera punt that. 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:42.560 Did you Did you think maybe you would stay in 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:46.360 photography or were you immediately like no, get oh yeah, okay, yeah, 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:48.800 very different world in some ways, right. 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:55.160 It is you know, it's interesting. It's it's uh, the 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:58.719 film scene in New York. I know, if you've experienced, 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.440 it's a very close and for a minute, it was 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:09.320 very unwelcoming. So and uh, someone by the name of 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:15.240 Michael Jacobs, who happened to be my brother's best friend, said, 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:17.920 you know, hey, I sold a show and I need 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.559 an assistant, So why do you come out to LA 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:23.480 and I'll get your side card and and you know, 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:26.120 and you can kind of see what it's like out here, 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:30.880 and you know, and I was like, yeah, okay, but 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:32.600 I was such a I was such a New York 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:35.960 snob at that point. I was just like, okay, So, 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:38.480 but what ended up happening was I ended up going 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:41.640 back and forth to LA and New York for a 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:42.440 couple of years. 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:46.800 And but the show he brought you dinosaurs, what was 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:47.240 the first one? 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:56.040 My two dads and Greg again. Yeah, and and so 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:59.800 I was, you know, this completely novice, like I do 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:06.040 nothing about television or anything, and you know, here I 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:09.840 am the executive producer's assistant, and I'm just like, thank 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:13.280 God for Arlene Grayson. Arlene Grayson was my was my 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:16.400 savior and mentor. So she came from New York too. 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:19.480 Okay, so many people have mentioned her. 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:24.920 She was a great soul. Yeah, really she was. Just 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:27.760 I don't know that Michael would have the success that 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.880 he did if it wasn't for Arlene, because she covered 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:32.480 him on so many levels. 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:35.720 So I've showed I've showed everybody this so when they 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:37.320 come in. So when I first came to LA, I 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:40.160 knew no nobody. I literally was here by myself. I 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:42.079 had no idea, and Arlene was one of the first 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:42.840 people that I met. 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:44.840 And the first thing she did, of course, now I 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:45.679 just dropped it. 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:47.720 The first thing she did was write down her name 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:49.679 and her phone number so I. 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:53.000 Could always reach her. No. Always. It's one of the 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:53.720 first things I look at. 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.560 It's right over my computer every time I'm doing my zooms, 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:59.040 and so I look at Arlene's signature and just how 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:01.559 nice she was every day when I sit down here. 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:05.920 I have a sideboard that was hers. Really, am I dining? 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:12.080 I don't know if you know? Yes, over there? Yeah 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:17.199 that she was amazing, Yeah she's yeah. 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:22.920 So anyway, so going back, even before photography, did you 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:27.040 and Jeff grow up making movies together doing like did you? 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:29.120 Were you guys? Were you guys doing it from the 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:29.800 time you were kids? 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:36.280 No, there was a there's a slight age gap between us. Okay, 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:40.040 he's the oldest and I'm the youngest, and I think 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:41.840 he got out of Dodge as soon as he could, 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:45.080 and when he did, I was still in single digits. 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:49.160 So, but how far apart are you? Guys? 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:54.319 I don't think he wants me to sleep. There's a 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:58.000 couple of years. There's just a couple of years between them. 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:05.360 But you know, he he uh is the biggest inspiration though, 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:09.160 because he after he was in the Air Force and 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:11.760 uh he went to New York and he's the one 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:13.760 who said to me because I was at the University 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.200 of Illinois, and he's like, if you're serious about theater, 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:20.280 then you have to go to the playhouse, and and 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:23.240 that's what I did. And then and that was the 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:25.160 beginning of my journey with Sandy Meisner. 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:27.760 So, now, did you always want to be behind the 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:29.640 camera or was there did you want to be an actor? 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:30.200 At one point? 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:30.600 No. 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:34.800 In college, I was a playwright directing major, and so 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:38.400 a lot of directors actually came out of the playhouse 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:41.080 as well. And one of my favorites at the time 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:44.200 was Mark Rightell and he uh and he came out 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:46.280 of the playhouse with Diane Keaton and all those in 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:52.160 that crowd, and I think on Golden Pond was had 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:53.800 just come out, and so I was just a big 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:58.160 fan of his and so but working with I think 0:14:58.200 --> 0:14:59.920 one of the last few years with Sandy Meisner, but 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:06.200 really an amazing experience. And so I thought, well, yeah, 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:09.040 I'll be an actor, okay, whatever. And I could not 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:10.800 do the business side. I don't know how you guys 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:13.640 do it. The rejection was just I could I don't 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:17.360 have the I didn't have the skin for it. And 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:20.720 and then of course Adrian was helping me with photography, 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:22.200 and so I was like, you know, I really want 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:25.240 to be a filmmaker. And that's when Michael said, oh, 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:26.680 come on, Ela and see what. 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:30.040 So so you move out to LA You're working on 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:33.120 my two Dads, but you're just Michael's assistant. You're assistant 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:36.680 to the executive. Are you paying attention to every aspect 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:40.080 of the industry? Are you thinking about, like, oh, yeah, 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:43.000 when and where do you decide how you what you 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:43.400 want to do? 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:45.200 Did you know right away you eventually wanted to be 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:45.760 a director? 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:51.320 Well I knew that, but I hit a point where 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:56.920 the executives at Columbia Television were, uh, took me, you know, 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:58.760 took a meeting with me, and they were just like, 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:01.560 you know, here you have two roads. You can come 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.200 up and be an executive with us, or you can go, 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:07.240 you know, stay in production. And I was like, I 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:09.120 want to be down there on the stage. I want 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:12.160 to be you know, because as you guys have mentioned 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:17.800 many times, Show Knight was it's it's it's it's a drug, 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:22.680 it is, and and Elvin Ivory was the first stage 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.320 manager and he was kind enough to take me under 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:30.640 his wing, and so I transitioned to being his assistant, 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:34.160 and then we did Fresh Prince of bel Air, and 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:36.960 we went on to do all sorts of other shows together, 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:46.080 and then a little show called Boy Meets and Me Back? 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:50.320 Was that your first time being a stage manager? 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:50.480 Then? 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:51.200 Was on our show? 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:53.240 No, no, no no. I've been on a few shows 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:56.280 with Elvin and and and he was a great guy. 0:16:56.320 --> 0:17:00.160 He was a former ABA basketball player who cool like 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:01.680 seven feet tall. He was like, you know, he was 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:05.320 like six something, and he was the kindest man ever. 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:08.280 And and we did a couple of shows, and then 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:11.879 I did, uh, I followed a director, Matthew Diamond on 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:16.880 a few shows. We worked with Patty LaBelle on Out 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:19.000 All Night and that's where I brought Steven and Steve. 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:23.399 Steve was my second stage manager and and then and 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:26.000 then we came over to I think that's the order. 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:28.679 I could be missing a show in there, but you know, 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:31.080 and then where Steve and I came over to Boy 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:31.560 Meets World. 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:34.440 Where does Boy Meets World rank for sets for you 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:35.239 that you worked on? 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:36.439 MMMM? 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:39.760 And you can be honest, be honest, be honest. 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:46.280 That has to be a really complicated answer, because, uh, 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:49.520 there are so many great moments in my career that 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:55.520 I've been able to experience and uh, life changing moments. 0:17:56.080 --> 0:18:04.760 And with Boy Meets World, you know, Michael's complicated. You 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:07.680 guys have have discussed that ad nauseum and I don't 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:15.159 go into that. And our relationship was incredibly complicated and 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:21.040 so and it got more so. And but with David Trainor, 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:27.800 he turned out to be my mentor mentor, and and 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:31.159 I was really sad to leave Boy Meets World, but 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:33.720 I was really happy to continue and be an associate 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:37.640 director which was in the booth camera coordinator with him 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:39.560 on the next show with Betty White and Marie Osmond. 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:42.760 So you know I traveled with David at that point. 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:45.119 That's where you left. That's where you went when you 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:46.679 left us, you went with David. 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:50.199 I went with David because I got elevated to the 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:50.840 next life. 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:52.600 Did you do that seventy show? 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:53.639 No? 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:54.560 Okay? 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:56.440 I did ellen after that? 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:57.119 Gotcha? 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:00.679 And that was one of the life Chaine moments for me, 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:03.679 was working on the coming out episode on that one. 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:07.080 So did you meet David Trainer on Boy Meets World 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:08.280 set when he came to direct? 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:11.080 Okay, is that where we met? I think that is 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.360 where we met, Yeah, because he had just come from 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:16.320 designing women and stuff like that. 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:32.159 What was it about David that that like he? 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:35.439 I mean, we remembered him, you know, also fondly, and 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:37.760 yet we also remember he was he had a very 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:38.600 distinct style. 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:41.479 What was it for you that you think? Like, what 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:43.280 is it about David that just drew you to him? 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:44.479 What made him your mentor? 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:51.879 He was a incredibly generous with his knowledge, and he 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:58.480 taught me so many different things about how to navigate 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:01.399 a set, you know, coming from the theater in New 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:03.240 York as well, so we had a lot in common. 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:06.000 One of the things he told me, and I don't 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:08.119 know that he would remember this today, but he said, 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:10.960 never become friends with the actors. You need them to 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:18.320 respect you. And I'm like, really, okay. I was like, 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:20.680 That's not how I operated so far in my life, 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:25.800 you know. But but it made sense to me because 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:28.639 he was, you know, he had to be the beyond 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:31.359 voice of everything, and so he had to garner all 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:33.919 that respect. And it was just really interesting. And you 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:36.400 guys were so young and so you. 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:39.680 Know, adorable, we were impossible not to be friend. 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:44.480 Well, it really brought out a maternal instinct in me, 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:47.440 you know, and trying to take care of you guys 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:51.560 and protect you as much as I could from production 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:57.280 because as you know, child actors don't necessarily turn out 0:20:57.359 --> 0:21:00.960 as well as you guys. So and I had I 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:03.479 can I can say that's because of your parents. I 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:06.080 have to say your parents were so involved on set 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:10.840 and and say hello to all of them please of course, 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:16.159 I just they're they're just yummy. And and you know, 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:22.200 Ben's folks were really kind of led the charge as 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:24.639 far as how to stick up for your advocate for 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:28.879 you guys. But you know, Lynn, and I mean everybody 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:32.880 was just so great and easy to work with and Arleene. 0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:38.840