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Speaker 1: And he said, my teacher said that my gloves, cleaning whale,

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Speaker 5: There was one Halloween, Indy had three separate outfits.

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Speaker 5: Somebody would want to dress up and be whatever, let

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Pod Meets World. I'm Danielle Fischel, I'm Right or.

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Speaker 1: We have called the Boy Meets World cast and Crewe

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Speaker 1: Family many times on this podcast. With the everyday grind,

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Speaker 1: first for coolt person with the last name McCracken. This

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Speaker 2: To for quite some time. It's director Lynn McCracken.

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Speaker 7: Lynn, Lynn, Oh, it's so good to see you.

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Speaker 5: I know, but we're not children. Anymore?

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Speaker 1: Where are the old, middle aged best and clinging?

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Speaker 8: What a life you guys have, right?

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Speaker 6: Who looks the same? You like the same?

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Speaker 1: It is so good to see you reuniting with people

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Speaker 8: It was a job we wanted for me. The important

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Speaker 8: I do, I do? That was like the most you know,

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00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 8: we were all so nervous, and you guys came in

445
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:18,199
Speaker 8: and you were a little bit later. Yeah, And I

446
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 8: remember that so clearly, the day that you came on board.

447
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 8: And but with the with the rest of you guys,

448
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 8: you were all so just so adoorable. We were all

449
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 8: just like so nervous and how to get the rhythm

450
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 8: going and how to get you know, everything, you know,

451
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 8: and you guys were all so nervous, and and Ben

452
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 8: was just like a deer in the headlights because you know,

453
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 8: he was trying to fill shoes of legacy for himself,

454
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 8: and you know, and and that was just all. I

455
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 8: don't have any really specificific.

456
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,360
Speaker 5: I mean, looking back at the episodes now, man, I mean,

457
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 5: was in every everything and had pages and pages just

458
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 5: he's carrying the whole scene and kid never got a break.

459
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 5: I mean our experiences, especially that first season, we would

460
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 5: have like a scene here and there, we'd come in

461
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 5: and out, but he's carrying the whole show. So much

462
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 5: work it must have been just mind boggling.

463
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, and scheduling that and all that kind of stuff

464
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 8: was really interesting. And you know, the forboseness of Michael

465
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 8: and his note sessions was legendary, legendary and challenging.

466
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I've thought about that so many times.

467
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,719
Speaker 1: How did you guys allow for that much time in

468
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: the day to be like, well, we've got to rehearse

469
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: all day, we have to do a run through it

470
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 1: this time, and then we still need the kids to

471
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: be on the clock for a minimum of an hour

472
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: to two hours two Yeah, for notes after.

473
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 8: Well, we knew that the T shirt and they would

474
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 8: pull you guys, I mean we knew become the note

475
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 8: sessions and and you know, and Michael would try to

476
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 8: give the notes to the kids first, and God bless

477
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 8: Bill and and and yeah, just like he knew he

478
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 8: had to wait until the end. It was, you know,

479
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 8: really hard, and those note sessions were a bit abusive.

480
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 8: I think.

481
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 6: Was that? Now?

482
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 4: Curiously, was that par for the course for for a

483
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,199
Speaker 4: Michael Jacob show. I mean, all the shows that you

484
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 4: were on with him, they were all note sessions that

485
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 4: lasted that long.

486
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 6: This we weren't special, Okay, I wasn't us Okay, gotcha? Okay?

487
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 6: Fair enough.

488
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 1: Did you think from season one when you saw boy

489
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: Meet's World, did you think the show is going to

490
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: be successful?

491
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 8: Yes?

492
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 5: Wow, so you're the.

493
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 6: One who thought it.

494
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,239
Speaker 8: Yeah, No, we we knew. I mean, of course there

495
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 8: were no guarantees and so we all had to wait

496
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 8: for that pickup order and stuff like that. But but

497
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 8: you guys were were solid and so in the I think,

498
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 8: wasn't we were the tgi F lineup on?

499
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:15,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was.

500
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 8: It was a tough spot to fill, but you know,

501
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 8: Michael's track record was good and yeah, and that kind

502
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 8: of stuff.

503
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: You said, you remember you remember well when I joined

504
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: the show. What is your memory of when the character

505
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,479
Speaker 1: of Tapanga was created? And and then I ended up

506
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: in the part.

507
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 8: Well, the day that we recast was I think there's

508
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 8: some misinformation out there in that. I think I read

509
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 8: somewhere that the actress that was was replaced, said that

510
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 8: David said she wasn't pretty enough. Right, Yes, it's not true.

511
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 8: That is not uh, that is that that's not the

512
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 8: that's not the case. Not to say that she wasn't talented.

513
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 8: It just she wasn't right for where the part needed

514
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 8: to go. And Michael, really, I think David was concerned

515
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 8: and so and he was concerned because it's that not

516
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 8: because of looks.

517
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 1: And she heard that, to be fair, she heard that

518
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: from her agent. That her agent is the one who

519
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: told her that the director had said that. Now this

520
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:38,959
Speaker 1: is you know, a telephone and to have been you know,

521
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: a child and to have a rep pass that along

522
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: is just Yes.

523
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 8: It's horrendous to have that information in your head. And

524
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 8: I just hope she knows that. But it's way too

525
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 8: late now, it's.

526
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: Never you know what I think to change change the narrative,

527
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: you tell yourself.

528
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, because we.

529
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 4: Also we said that too, where even at the time

530
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 4: we talked to Bonnie, it was just it was out

531
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,959
Speaker 4: of character for David. David would never have walked up

532
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 4: to her and or any of that stuff. It just

533
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 4: that just wasn't David. So yeah, we we we we

534
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,719
Speaker 4: also knew that there was Again, it's just hearing what

535
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 4: somebody said from somebody else, from somebody else on the phone.

536
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 6: Thirty years later, it was it was.

537
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 8: You know, because I was right there next to David

538
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 8: the whole day, the whole time, and and it was

539
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 8: pretty much just chemistry. It just wasn't it wasn't clicking.

540
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 8: And and when I think Sally was it, Sally Steiner

541
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 8: was that Yeah, yep, she brought you in and it

542
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 8: was like the clouds parted and everything was like, oh,

543
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 8: to hang up, that's the role, that's and that's you know,

544
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 8: and and it was right. And so it was the

545
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 8: right move that David you know, uh, and Michael did

546
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 8: and and and you know, and here we are thirty

547
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 8: years later about it.

548
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

549
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 6: Do you also remember Earthquake week.

550
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety four?

551
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 8: You know, I mean I remember I remember getting a

552
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 8: call from Mike or calling the production offic thing, yeah,

553
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 8: we're gonna go, And I'm.

554
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 2: Like, what, No, we're not.

555
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, I said, my apartment building just shut

556
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 8: you know, yeah, pieces, I'm off the foundation.

557
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: What do you mean we're going in?

558
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 6: Yep? And it was right.

559
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 4: It was the Fugitive episode wasn't it that that week

560
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 4: and so Ryder had this big thing and they put

561
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 4: us in the giant like huge cavernous stage where laughs

562
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 4: go to die. And yeah, we're trying to do a

563
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 4: table read while there's after shocks, and we we start

564
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 4: beforehand with a I think it was our lean something

565
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 4: you did. You give us a speech about if if

566
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 4: there's another after shock, everybody's got to run under here

567
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 4: you gotta say and action.

568
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 9: Okay, let's be funny, so funny, go to the walls.

569
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: I know it's funny because you think of now the

570
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: safety meetings that you have on sets, and you think

571
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: we all are kind of like, all right, thanks, if

572
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: there's anything wrong, we'll run out.

573
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: Okay, we got that day. You're like, what do we do?

574
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:24,959
Speaker 6: What do we do?

575
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 2: And tell me where and who do I okay, great,

576
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: good to know safety.

577
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, you start remembering what the flight attendant said during

578
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 4: severe turbulence. You're like, okay, wait, what my seatbelt's done? Okay,

579
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 4: exits in front and back. Yeah, it was the same

580
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 4: kind of thing.

581
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 8: The DGA makes. You have to say them, and you

582
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 8: know everyone's not listening, and it's like, you.

583
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: Know, you're like sorry, to be the buzzkill, but I

584
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: will be the person to save your life if.

585
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 2: Any there happened.

586
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 8: You remember when the extra in the dance scene we

587
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 8: were working, really aren't she collapsed?

588
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 6: No, which dancing was.

589
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 8: It was a big dance and she was she she

590
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 8: just collapsed and Steve like radios me, and I'm like

591
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 8: and I run back behind the set and and all

592
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 8: the extras are I mean with a big a lot

593
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 8: of kids, and and I'm like sitting there going okay.

594
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 8: And we had to get paramedics and she had to

595
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 8: go to the hospital.

596
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 5: You remember it was a kid.

597
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 8: It was a kid. Yeah, collapse. She was dehydrated and

598
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 8: she thank she was.

599
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: Was it the episode when you guys are writer and

600
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: Ben are doing doing the band band.

601
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 2: On the run because it's like a school dance. Yeah,

602
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: big school dance.

603
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 6: Geez crazy.

604
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 5: I don't remember that at all.

605
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 4: Disasters did the kids some days on the set without

606
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 4: someone collapsing?

607
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 6: To erase Itz?

608
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: What do you remember about the death chair? Do you

609
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: remember us joking about the death chair the the third

610
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: friend to Cory and Sean that in the that first

611
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: season bringing in new actors and then they get replaced

612
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: and we made. We started calling that third chair the

613
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: death chair, and I'll never forget the time win David

614
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: asked me to sit in that chair for something and

615
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: I didn't.

616
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 6: Think anything of it.

617
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I'll sit there.

618
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 6: And literally Ben was like, don't, don't not yell, and I.

619
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: Was like what and he was like, doom, don't. If

620
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: you want to keep you your job, do not say.

621
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 10: That a chair.

622
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: And it really became like a thing, and then I

623
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: was then I was scared to sit in there.

624
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 8: Geez, I don't remember that.

625
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 10: Oh my gosh, it was so crazy.

626
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: So at this point, now you left? Did you leave

627
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: us after season two? You went with David Trainer after

628
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: season two? Okay, so did Jeff? Had Jeff directed any

629
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: episodes in those first two seasons? Were you and Jeff

630
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: ever on set together at the same time?

631
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 8: Yes, I'm trying to think did he do one? I

632
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 8: know he traded he trailed.

633
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: David exactly, and I think he did. I think he

634
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: did one episode in season two?

635
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 4: And so do you do you remember what I just

636
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 4: have I have the vision of you saying he trailed David.

637
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 6: Two of the tallest human.

638
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 4: Beings together, they're thirteen feet tall.

639
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 8: And there was trailing after the other and image such.

640
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 4: A strange image as these two giant men one trailing

641
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 4: after the other.

642
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: Seriously, I remember both of them were able to like

643
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: take the length of the stage in what felt like

644
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: five strides.

645
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 6: Exactly huge.

646
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 2: Rid, So do you remember what it was like to

647
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 2: work with your brother? Was that was awkward?

648
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 4: Oh?

649
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was very awkward, but it was so great

650
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 8: because I was so proud of him and and he's

651
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 8: so capable and he and I forget who I think

652
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 8: it was. Kevin Tracy was the associate director.

653
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, we just talked about Kevin, tell

654
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: me about the very first episode you directed and what

655
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: you remember about that experience.

656
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 6: Because we just watched it. We did.

657
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 8: Santa's Little Helpert.

658
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 6: Yes, that's so cute.

659
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 8: It was great. I mean it was my first episode

660
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 8: to direct, and I've been uh, I had episodes on

661
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 8: other shows coming up, and Michael wanted to make sure

662
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 8: that Boy Mets World was my first episode. And I

663
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 8: couldn't have been happier because it was like coming home. Yeah,

664
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 8: Arlene had already past, so Karen was at the helm

665
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 8: and and that was and Russell and that was just

666
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 8: really great. And Michael Shay was there, and and you know,

667
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 8: it was just a really great, great group DDE, Michael, Steve,

668
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 8: everybody was. It was just really great. And and oh

669
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 8: my god, was I so nervous and and I just

670
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 8: you know, going through the week was was just you know,

671
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 8: it was an interesting episode. I mean it was a

672
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 8: very emotional episode, you know, with writer with you, with

673
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 8: with Trina.

674
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 9: And and then Tommy and got alogt.

675
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 8: I was like, I got a really emotional episode. That's

676
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 8: I couldn't remember. When I watched it a couple of

677
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 8: days ago, I was like, oh.

678
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 4: My god, yeah, all right, all we were also to

679
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 4: the time, I mean season six now they're throwing up

680
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:00,479
Speaker 4: new sets all the time.

681
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 6: So we're in sets we've never been in before. There's

682
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 6: new extras, there's kids. I mean, you had a lot

683
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 6: to do in that episode.

684
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 8: Yeah, And you know, and Matthew was so funny. He

685
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 8: was the Elf. I mean he was so unhappy elf custom.

686
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 1: I remember him being so miserable and that, Yeah, he

687
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: was like pissed.

688
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 4: Yeah he got him Gucci ears.

689
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 6: I don't see what.

690
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 5: We talked about with matt and a lot, Like I've

691
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,959
Speaker 5: talked to him a lot but he really really cared

692
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 5: about his clothing back now he doesn't at all like

693
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 5: he is now is he's a T shirt and jean

694
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 5: guy completely now, But back then he was like really

695
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 5: into how you know, presenting this. We used to tease

696
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 5: him about it all the time back then. But yeah,

697
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 5: so that's funny that he actually really hated me. Oh,

698
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 5: I totally believe it.

699
00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 8: So you know, of course, Maitland and her Santa Santata

700
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 8: fantasy costume can't be.

701
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 6: Can't just be a Santa Claus. You gotta be a

702
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 6: sexy Santa Claus.

703
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 8: But the thing that stuck out to me is like

704
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 8: I got a little PTSD because that first scene where

705
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 8: Ben is talking to you, Danielle, and he's talking exactly

706
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 8: like Michael, and I remember in the note session Michael

707
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 8: giving him line readings on how to do that Meg

708
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 8: and I was just like I remember.

709
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: Yes, especially season six and season seven, it is he

710
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: just surrendered.

711
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:42,919
Speaker 8: He surrendered, totally dead.

712
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: He was just like, you know what I am, I'm

713
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: supposed to be Michael Jacobs.

714
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 2: I'm just that's it. I'm going for it.

715
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 6: I'm doing it.

716
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 4: Yep. And actually the thing is it works for Corey

717
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 4: it does unfortunately, I mean, it works and that is

718
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 4: great at it.

719
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, but it is.

720
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 4: I mean there's times we're watching where it's like, oh, yeah,

721
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 4: that's just that's a straight up Michael line just coming

722
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 4: out of Ben's mouth.

723
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 6: That's just Michael Wright.

724
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 8: You had such a hard, hard arc to to in

725
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 8: that episode. I mean it was it was really delicate

726
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 8: in a heartbreaking when you tell her you know, no,

727
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 8: not ready in there. I was like, oh, pull on

728
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 8: my heart a little bit at the end there. It

729
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 8: was so well done.

730
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 2: Do you remember one of the things that came up

731
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 2: for me in the episode was like all of a sudden,

732
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: you know, we kept saying like, okay, let's not think

733
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: too much about reality, let's just go it was a

734
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 2: Christmas it's a Christmas story, let's embrace it.

735
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 5: Whatever.

736
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: But it did strike me as interesting. Why do you

737
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 1: remember this being a topic of discussion.

738
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 2: Why do Sean and Angela leave the house.

739
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: Go it apparently in a car ride or travel, don't

740
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 1: talk about their relationship at all on the way, wait

741
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: till they arrive at the school to talk about it,

742
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: and then when they leave they go back to the house.

743
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: Do you remember there?

744
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 1: Do you remember why it needed to be in the

745
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: student union, that they needed to have this conversation.

746
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 8: Because that was the set that they wanted to set. Okay,

747
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 8: just one of those things where it was like, didn't

748
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 8: make any sense at.

749
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: All, and it's just like, you know what, we don't care,

750
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: people aren't going to care.

751
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: Let's just have it here.

752
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 5: I'll take the letters because we probably didn't have the backyard.

753
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 5: It would have made perfect sense for us to just

754
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 5: walk out of the backyard, leave the house, go have

755
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 5: but we didn't have that set anymore, and so they

756
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 5: were just like, oh, let's just use the student.

757
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 8: I think Phoenie's house was gone not in that episode.

758
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 4: So can I ask, as somebody who's the only person

759
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 4: on the Zoom who is not a director, what is

760
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 4: the most difficult part of transitioning from being a stage

761
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 4: manager to actually directing an episode.

762
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 8: I think the hardest thing is having the executives see

763
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 8: you as a director mm hmm, and seeing you be creative,

764
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 8: that you're a creative and you're not just a you know,

765
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 8: brick and mortar kind of person. I think that's the

766
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 8: hardest thing in that transition. Had I known that, I

767
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 8: always thought it was the natural transition. You know, you

768
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 8: go down to the stage, your stage management and you

769
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 8: become a director. No, you go to stage management and

770
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 8: then you're going to uh producing. And so it was

771
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 8: the one left turn that I didn't anticipate, what's going

772
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 8: to take a long time to make that transition. And

773
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 8: then I remember on a show there's a producer Susie

774
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 8: Greenberg who told me use your.

775
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 2: Big voice, really use your big voice.

776
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 8: Okay, for you to use your big voice as the

777
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 8: director because he is an ad too.

778
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 6: So I was like, oh right, I love that advice.

779
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 8: So it was like, oh, yeah, I don't have to

780
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 8: be the one who just sits in the back and

781
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 8: listens in it and does everything. I actually get to

782
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 8: use my voice.

783
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 4: Susie Greenberg was she did she do Seinfeld as well?

784
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,720
Speaker 4: I thought, so, okay, yeah, she's doing that. The Susie

785
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 4: is based after. Yes, there's an episode called.

786
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: So when you watched the episode Santa's Little Helpers, were

787
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 2: you able to enjoy your work?

788
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 8: No?

789
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 6: No, you said you never wanted to be an actor.

790
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 6: She just answered, like an actor.

791
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 8: I really knew. I go back and watch any of them,

792
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 8: but I watched it and I was just like oh,

793
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 8: I could have done that better. I could have, you know,

794
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 8: And and I might have. I might have stood up

795
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 8: a little bit more and just like, can we lay

796
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 8: off the music a little bit more?

797
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 2: Okay?

798
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: No?

799
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 8: And and it's a little heavy and and but you know,

800
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 8: I think, you know, when I joked about having PTSD.

801
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 8: Part of it too, is, you know, between the dress

802
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 8: show and the air show, that note session that comes

803
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 8: after at dinner or whatever. Michael tore me. I mean,

804
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 8: I had a great I had a great week, great

805
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 8: week with you guys, great month, threws. We did the

806
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 8: dress show, we were jamming, we finished early that day.

807
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 8: I mean, I had it blocked, I had everything. It

808
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 8: was great. Blah blah blah. So I'm like at dinner

809
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 8: feeling really pumped and great, and he comes and he

810
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 8: just rips me to shreds in front of everybody.

811
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 2: And you say about what, oh.

812
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 8: Just you know, criticizing everything that I all my shots,

813
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 8: all my this, all my you know, how I could

814
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 8: do this? You know, typical Michael, you know, just you

815
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 8: know whatever. And so I was sitting on the steps

816
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 8: of my my trailer and just.

817
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 2: Defeated, defeated.

818
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 8: Who comes walking up to me but.

819
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 6: My brother, Yeah, there you go.

820
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 8: And he just lifted me up and he.

821
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 9: Was like yeah, yeah, but he was just like, you know, okay,

822
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 9: and he just brought me back to center.

823
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 8: So you talk about the synergy between my brother and

824
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 8: me and our careers and whatnot. He showed up at

825
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,919
Speaker 8: just the absolute right time and just you know.

826
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 6: General way of doing that for all of us.

827
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 5: Yeah.

828
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 6: Really, yeah he really did. Yeah he would. Yeah, both

829
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 6: of you did. Both of you did, truly. No, It's true.

830
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 4: We talk about the how you were. You were kind

831
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 4: of our first well I'll talk about myself. My first

832
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 4: kind of conduit onto the set was you. I mean

833
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 4: it was you were the one I would go to

834
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 4: and talk to and we go to you if we

835
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 4: had any problems, or go to you if we had

836
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 4: any questions or go I mean, it was you were

837
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 4: the one we would talk to. So you very much

838
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 4: did for us what Jeff did for you that night,

839
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 4: So that was very special to us.

840
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 6: You both were. We talk about it quite a bit.

841
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: You both have such a comforting command of every situation.

842
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: There's no you know, when we talk about Michael being

843
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 1: in charge, there's.

844
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 2: Like that kind of commanding.

845
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: Nope, there's not a there's not an inch of that

846
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: in you where you're like.

847
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm a little afraid.

848
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: But clearly this person is demanding, demanding that I respect

849
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: them and that I listen to them. And so I think,

850
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to you. But you, guys, you're

851
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: you're so you're both so capable, so in charge, and

852
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 1: yet so comforting. There is an absolute safety of knowing

853
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: foreign correct, with these people in charge, and we've got it,

854
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: whatever it is, we've got it.

855
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 6: Follow you anywhere kind of people. Yeah, correct, it's awesome.

856
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: Right off a cliff, right off a cliff, exactly. Another

857
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to ask about is early on in

858
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: your career you were a second a d and a

859
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: production assistant on two wildly different movies, Baps with Callie

860
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: Berry and Curtis Hansen's Hand that Rocks the Cradle.

861
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 2: Wow, this is the weirdest double feature ever. Oh did

862
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 2: this happen?

863
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: And what stories do you have from either of them?

864
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 8: The hand of Roxic Cradle was Annie Manascalco.

865
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 2: Yes, the makeup artist, our makeup artist.

866
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 8: It's Rebecca, the morning's makeup artist, and she and I

867
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 8: were friends and she I went up to visit her

868
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 8: on set and the first ad, oh, no, they were

869
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 8: they needed a PA. So they asked me if I

870
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 8: would stay and be a PA, and I said yeah, sure.

871
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 8: I didn't know what I was doing, but I was

872
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 8: like okay. And the first the second ad, the first

873
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 8: AD was old grizzled, first a D and he had

874
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 8: a mental breakdown during the shooting set. So the second

875
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 8: AD moved up to first a D and then I

876
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 8: moved up.

877
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: To Wow, from PA to second eight having never done

878
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 2: it before.

879
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 8: Well, I was already stage managing, so I had okay.

880
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,280
Speaker 4: You know when that first ad got eaten by a lion,

881
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 4: I was then made first a D.

882
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 8: In charge of the of the babies. They were and

883
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 8: uh and.

884
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 6: You were literally the hand that rocked the cradle.

885
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 8: You brought the little babies to set and and you

886
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 8: know I was a baby wrangler.

887
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 6: Wow.

888
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 8: Wow, it was great. I had such a great time

889
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 8: on that movie. And and it's all because of Annie.

890
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 8: So the hand the rocks the Cradle was directed by

891
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 8: Curtis Hansen and the cinematographers Bob Elswitz. I think Curtis,

892
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 8: they hadn't he did l a confidential just.

893
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 6: Half after such a good movie.

894
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 8: Uh, but there were some really great stories, I mean

895
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 8: almost dying on the set. And I was I was

896
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 8: one of the stunt drivers and.

897
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 4: I what.

898
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 5: Baby wrangler, stunt driver.

899
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 2: Wranglers second a d stunt driver.

900
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 6: Please were taking advantage of you. They were making to

901
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 6: do everything.

902
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 8: They're like, we're working in Seattle, so it was like

903
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 8: anything goes you know, wait.

904
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 2: So tell me the story about how you almost died.

905
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 8: We were in downtown Seattle and we were running and

906
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 8: gunning it with a camera inside the car, and Curtis

907
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 8: and Bob had away of doing things without talking to

908
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 8: the ad department a sound safe. I was in the

909
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:58,720
Speaker 8: back of the car and we had no traffic stops,

910
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 8: no cops, no nothing, and we I mean the cars

911
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 8: it was almost all died.

912
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 6: That's old school film.

913
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,720
Speaker 1: And then so you almost get into a car crash,

914
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: but you don't you make it?

915
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 2: Are you then like that's it, We're done that. We

916
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 2: have to use that or did you do it again?

917
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 8: Oh?

918
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 9: No, that was it?

919
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 2: That was that was it? Okay, you got what you needed.

920
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 8: And it was you know, it was great. It was

921
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 8: great filmmaking. It was. And then Rebecca was she was

922
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 8: so focused in her character and Ernie who played the handyman.

923
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 8: They were all and they were It was really great.

924
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 8: It was really fun. It was a really great first

925
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 8: film experience because I got exposed to like everything.

926
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: And Boy meets World's crossover here the dad in the

927
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: hand that rocks the cradle was the man who played

928
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: the first Alan Matthews.

929
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 2: Matt McCoy.

930
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 6: Okay, it was Matt McCoy.

931
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 8: Who was actually good friends with Yeah, and so uh

932
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 8: it was worked out. It was really funny. It's a

933
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 8: small world, small world. You see my hand drop like

934
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 8: ear rings in it, and you see my.

935
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 6: Like I said, acting is very important.

936
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 8: She pulls out and it was like fun. I'm driving

937
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 8: was really fun.

938
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 6: It's amazing stunt driving.

939
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,399
Speaker 4: I'm just like, all right, Lynn, you're the stunt driver.

940
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 4: Now get behind the wheel of that semi crashing into

941
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 4: the building.

942
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 8: Who's your stunt person? I'll do it all right.

943
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: Well, despite having a you know, a stern talking to

944
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: on tape night of your first episode, everybody obviously very

945
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: much like your liked your work because you came back

946
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 1: to direct two more episodes of Boy Mean's World in

947
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: season seven.

948
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 2: Is there anything you look.

949
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: Back on like Boy Meets World being your first job,

950
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 1: was there anything you very specifically point to and say,

951
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: I learned X on directing Boy Meets World.

952
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 8: That's a good question. Yes, I learned how important it

953
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 8: is to be prepared. I can do that before, but

954
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 8: I really I got to see it in action, and

955
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 8: David really taught me how to do all my camera work.

956
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 8: I'm a camera shots and stuff in a way that

957
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 8: it's been hard to transition to how things are done today.

958
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 8: You're on the floor and you mark up your script

959
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,720
Speaker 8: in a different way now than we did then because

960
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 8: back then we marked the scripts for the booth, for

961
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 8: the camera coordinator to be able to have meetings with

962
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 8: the cameras, for camera operators, and they would assign shots

963
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 8: to everybody, and so it was all done before you

964
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 8: hit the floor, whereas now it's all done on the

965
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 8: right and so that transition has been was a little

966
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 8: difficult for me to kind of figure out what my

967
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 8: new system was going to be. It was so ingrained

968
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 8: the other way. But uh, you know, being able to

969
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 8: have that split focus of four screens of four cameras, yeah,

970
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 8: something some people can do, some people can't, and single

971
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 8: camera people coming into multi camera can't seem to do it,

972
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 8: but multi camera people can do both. So yeah, I

973
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 8: find that's on that too.

974
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 1: But well, you would go on to have an incredible

975
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: career in directing. You have two DGA Award nominations, and

976
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: one very big job that you mentioned was first a

977
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: d on Ellen, a show that got a ton of

978
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: media attention when she became the first openly gay character

979
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: on network TV. What was your experience of working on

980
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: that show and working with Ellen?

981
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 8: It was great.

982
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 4: It was.

983
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 8: Being a gay woman myself.

984
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 4: It was.

985
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 8: You know, not having to like use pronouns to talk about,

986
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 8: which is what I had to be very careful of them.

987
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 8: Boy meets World with you guys, I was very careful

988
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 8: with all of that.

989
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 2: And what do you mean, explain, explain, expand on that

990
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 2: more with us.

991
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 8: In that day and age and that time, you just

992
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 8: didn't you weren't out, You weren't you know, you just

993
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 8: don't ask, don't tell kind of thing. And I never

994
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 8: bought anyone to rap parties or anything else like that.

995
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 8: It was the beards as it were. But that's just

996
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 8: the time. That was just the time, you know, And

997
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 8: I was so closeted too. It was just kind of crazy,

998
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 8: but on Ellen, I didn't have to be anymore, and

999
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 8: so it was pretty great. And but working with Ellen

1000
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 8: herself was a whole different experience because she comes she

1001
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 8: came from the stand up world. Obviously, you got two

1002
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 8: takes and that's it, and you moved on and you

1003
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 8: were lucky. And it had to be something really specific

1004
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 8: to make a third take. Everybody had to come to

1005
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 8: the set frosty right and ready to go and be prepared.

1006
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:35,919
Speaker 1: And.

1007
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 8: It just she was very conscious of the audience and

1008
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 8: the live audience, and that was bomitter and man, it

1009
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 8: just flew. And she was brilliant, brilliant comedian and and

1010
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 8: so I learned a lot, a lot a lot about

1011
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 8: comedy from her. One of my favorite moments is when

1012
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 8: Emma Thompson came on the show and they were just

1013
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 8: improving with each other in front of the camera, and

1014
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 8: you know, it's a thing of don't ask where you

1015
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 8: can't speak, and I'm behind the camera and I'm laughing

1016
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 8: so hard and crying because I'm laughing. So I'm like

1017
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 8: double over, about to hit the floor because it was

1018
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 8: just so funny. So that was really great. But you know,

1019
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 8: the highlight obviously was when the coming out episode. That

1020
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 8: was like a huge moment, you know, and reflective of

1021
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 8: the time too, because it was all in secret. We

1022
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 8: knew it was going to happen months ahead of time,

1023
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 8: Like it's like being in the closet. You can't really

1024
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 8: talk about it, right And and suddenly you know it's

1025
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 8: getting closer and closer, and she's getting impatient, and Michael

1026
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 8: Eisner is like saying, no, I don't think we should

1027
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 8: do this, and you know, all the politics are at

1028
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 8: play and all this kind of stuff, and you know,

1029
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 8: we had amazing musical acts and you know, big, big

1030
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 8: things happening, and you know, we had a rock and

1031
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 8: roll episode where she got so tired of not being

1032
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 8: able to come out that she says on stage with

1033
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 8: like Bonnie Rait and and David Crosby and Sheryl Crow

1034
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 8: and all that goes, I'm gay and oh my god.

1035
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 8: You never saw people move so fast as to confiscate

1036
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 8: the tapes in the film and.

1037
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 2: The oh geez, it was crazy.

1038
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 8: But it was it was really it was really something else.

1039
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 8: That moment with Laura Dern in the airport when she said,

1040
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 8: I mean it just I still get chills today.

1041
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 6: The microphone for great moment.

1042
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 8: And it's just like one of those historic moments I

1043
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 8: was so proud to be a part of.

1044
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, it must have really, like you said, it was

1045
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: such a moment of the times, but also for you,

1046
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: like hearing that you were so closeted that you felt

1047
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: you had to keep that a secret from everybody on

1048
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: Boy Meets World. It was it must have been, but yeah, yes, yes,

1049
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: but it must have felt very much like I don't know,

1050
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: just like it must have felt so like so special

1051
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: and well it's like.

1052
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 5: E merging of the personal and the professional. Yeah, you know,

1053
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 5: it's like you're creatively a part of something that's changing

1054
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 5: the culture. But it's also so reflective of what you

1055
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 5: had already gone through or were going through. That's amazing.

1056
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 8: Absolutely. And you know, we sat there in a production

1057
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 8: meeting and there's a little Fredo's Cafe scene where Katie

1058
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 8: Lang was going to be playing guitar and Melissa Edwards

1059
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 8: or whatever, and it's a coffee house and there was

1060
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 8: one in West Hollywood and Ellen looks to me and

1061
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 8: she goes, we'll fill it with your friends.

1062
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 9: Everybody in that scene to be gay, And I was like, okay, Okay,

1063
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 9: that's awesome.

1064
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 2: That is so great.

1065
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 8: It's time to have that in like a production meeting.

1066
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 4: I was just like, what, yeah, slightly different world than

1067
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 4: Boys World.

1068
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah another another boy Meets World tie in. Lesia

1069
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: Hayley is a background actor in that scene.

1070
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 6: She really Oh that's awesome. I didn't know that.

1071
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 2: At the airport.

1072
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 6: That's great. Yeah, cool, cool like that.

1073
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: So you have gone on to have an incredible career

1074
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: also especially in family TV. Done The Thunderman's a show

1075
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: we have in common, Raven's Home, Nikky, Ricky, Dicky, and

1076
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: Don Fuller House.

1077
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 2: What do you love about.

1078
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: Working in family TV and maybe even specifically with kid actors.

1079
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 8: I think there's a kindness in the television shows. But

1080
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 8: you know, I I someone asked me this a while ago,

1081
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 8: and I said, why did you work with so many kids? Book?

1082
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 8: And I just feel like it was it was my

1083
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 8: job to protect kids. I couldn't protect myself, so I

1084
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 8: wanted to protect kids. You know. It's like really interesting

1085
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 8: and and you know, one job, he gets, another gets another,

1086
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:17,919
Speaker 8: and then you get kind of pigeonholed into a certain

1087
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 8: type of genre.

1088
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: I think you're right with the kid with the kid

1089
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: aspect the protective nature of kids. I also feel very

1090
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: similarly when I'm on set. I mean, my first directing

1091
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: job was on Girl Meets World, and I continued to

1092
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: do a bunch of family TV, and I think the

1093
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 1: overwhelming feeling I have every time I'm on one of

1094
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: those sets is I am so happy to be able

1095
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 1: to create the kind of comforting family environment we had

1096
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: people like you creating for us in that first and

1097
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: second season, and there is there's such a nice feeling

1098
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: of knowing that, like for a lot of these kids,

1099
00:59:57,840 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: this is their very first job or one of their

1100
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: very first jobs. They're going to go on to hopefully

1101
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: have careers in this industry. And no matter what, they're

1102
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: not all going to have incredible experiences. Some of them

1103
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: are going to be really bad. But at the very

1104
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: least I know, if I'm there, it's going to be

1105
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: a good experience. And that's a that's a nice feeling.

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Speaker 8: It is it is, and it's a it's a huge

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Speaker 8: compliment because you bring what you're bringing you to this

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Speaker 8: and and and as you as you know, we go

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Speaker 8: from show to show to show to show, and we're

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Speaker 8: always reinventing ourselves. We're always re re establishing ourselves with

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Speaker 8: this new crew, this new direct this new staff, this

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Speaker 8: new cap and the only constant is is is you

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Speaker 8: and you can only do what you can to make

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Speaker 8: it a safe environment for the actors to be able

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Speaker 8: to create. And that's that's me is the whole job

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Speaker 8: is to create a safe environment for the actors to

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Speaker 8: do what they're trained to do. Because when the kids

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Speaker 8: don't know what they're doing, they're too young to inexperience whatever.

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Speaker 8: It's your job to help foster them. And I watch

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Speaker 8: David do that with you guys, and that just taught

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Speaker 8: me so much. And it all goes back to to

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Speaker 8: you know, the basics of you know, just listen, just

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Speaker 8: just you know, listen to your fellow actors, listen to me.

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Speaker 8: Let me be the buffer between you and the executives

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Speaker 8: who are trying to give you a thousand notes. And

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Speaker 8: sometimes shows work that way, and sometimes they don't. Sometimes,

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Speaker 8: you know, the writers still go into the set to

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Speaker 8: talk to the actors and it gets confusing. You know that,

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Speaker 8: That to me was always the hard part of directing too.

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Speaker 8: On sitcoms, especially not so much single camera. Single camera,

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Speaker 8: you're kind of more respected camera you know, it's your

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Speaker 8: job to help keep this noise over here at the

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Speaker 8: monitors and let the actors be.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: Finally, with all of the TV shows you have worked on,

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Speaker 1: did you ever think Boy Meets World would be the

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Speaker 1: one we are still talking about thirty years later.

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Speaker 8: No, Finally, but amazing. I'm so proud of you, guys.

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Speaker 8: I mean, it's really wonderful what you're doing and to give,

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Speaker 8: you know, all these different people who've been associated with

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Speaker 8: the show a voice and to speak their experience and

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Speaker 8: to have that common denominator through it all of there's

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01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 8: just so much love, you know, respect and aside from

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01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 8: the you know who shall not be mentioned. But if

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Speaker 8: it wasn't for him, we wouldn't be here today.

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Speaker 4: You said it right, it's a complex relationship. I think

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Speaker 4: it's a very complex relationship.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: And uh, I'm just you know, seeing you guys right now,

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Speaker 8: I'm seeing you when you're little. I mean I still

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01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 8: think you know, like I know, you're adults and you

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01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 8: have kids, married and whatnot. Thrilled for you and your journey,

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Speaker 8: Danielle has been amazing. I mean, your strength right now

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01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 8: is tremendous and I'm so impressed by you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much all.

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Speaker 8: The good health for you in the coming journey with

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01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 8: what you're doing you.

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Speaker 1: I'm so thankfully it is it is mostly in my

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01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: rear view. I'm just on a I'm on a daily

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Speaker 1: medication now that I have to take for five years,

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Speaker 1: and so you know, it's a matter of finding out

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01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: what the side effects are, managing those when they pop up.

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Speaker 1: But you know, treat active treatment is behind me. I

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Speaker 1: have my first post cancer mammogram in June, so there's

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01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: a little bit of, you know, anxiety wrapped up in that.

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01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 1: Just sure you know, odds are there's not going to

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01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: be anything. But I think every time there'll be another mammogram,

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Speaker 1: there's always going to be some anxiety around it. But

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, truly, I don't ever want to

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Speaker 1: say I'm like grateful for cancer because it just feels

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Speaker 1: a little silly. But there have been some tremendous changes

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Speaker 1: in me because of it that I am very grateful for.

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Speaker 1: And one of them has just been recognizing that pre cancer,

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Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time doing very perfunctory checking

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Speaker 1: off boxes and making sure I was getting all of

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Speaker 1: the things done and and really not making any time

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Speaker 1: for fun or just truly just enjoying life. And I'm

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Speaker 1: in what I'm calling my season of Yes. I'm saying

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Speaker 1: yes to everything I'm going, I'm making. I'm having lunches

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Speaker 1: with everyone I've I've ever wanted to have lunch with.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to dinners, I'm seeing plays.

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Speaker 1: I'm like doing things that maybe I won't get to

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01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 1: bed until like eleven or twelve, Like yeah, pre cancer,

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01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: Danielle was like, Nope, you gotta be asleep by eight thirty.

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Speaker 1: And so it's just it's made me realize that life

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01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 1: is really short and you never know when it's going

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Speaker 1: to be over. And so I'm just having as many

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Speaker 1: incredible experiences with the people that I love as possible.

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Speaker 4: Yes to everything else to self ask Danielle for money, Yeah, yes,

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Speaker 4: do it?

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Speaker 2: Do you never know?

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Speaker 8: I stepped back a little bit to be home with

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Speaker 8: raising my two boys. Yeah, and there's there's I wouldn't

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Speaker 8: do it differently.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Now, the I paid for it because I tried. When

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01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 8: I was ready to come back to work, more people were.

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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, how old were you? How old were your

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Speaker 1: boys when you when you took a step back.

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Speaker 5: Mmmm.

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Speaker 8: Well Chris was too, and Nick was born, so I

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01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 8: took a step back when they were little, little little.

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Speaker 8: I ended up being like the photographer for the preschool

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01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 8: for you know, I'm in the elementary school and all

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01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 8: I kind of I just like was like immersed in

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01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 8: all of that. But you know, it's it's it's interesting.

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Speaker 8: The balance is really really interesting. It's it's hard, right,

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Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, it's hard.

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Speaker 2: Writer does it do? Writer?

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Speaker 1: And writer's son is also in voiceover and and is

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Speaker 1: a real performative kid. Uh so, yeah, that's a nightmare.

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Speaker 6: You all make it sound so wonderful.

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Speaker 8: I'm sorry, we don't.

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Speaker 6: Mean are you kidding?

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01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 4: No, I I'm sorry for y'allirls.

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01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 2: About to be a grandfather.

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Speaker 6: I'm about to be a grandpa.

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Speaker 4: Actually what Yeah, my stepdaughter is about to have our

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Speaker 4: first grandchild, so I'm very happy.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, about to be a poppy.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's gonna be so fun. I can't wait.

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Speaker 6: Great, Yeah, I can't either.

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Speaker 1: Well, then, truly, we cannot thank you enough for being

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Speaker 1: here with us. You are, as we mentioned earlier, you

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01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: are just one of those people whose names, whose faces,

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01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 1: whose voice brings back a flood of positive memories of endorphins.

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Speaker 2: Where can we see you. Can we see you face

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01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 2: to face? Can we give you a hug where.

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Speaker 8: I'm in studio city?

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Speaker 6: Oh god, okay, let's go.

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01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 5: Letch touch much time.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's lunch in my season of Yes, let's lunch.

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01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 6: Oh yes that, oh yes, lunch, yes that anytime.

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Speaker 8: He'll be so jealous. Jeff has a show, his first

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01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 8: art show. I know, is it this week weekend? Yeah?

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01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 8: I think I got.

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01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got to send him something because we've been

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01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 4: I've been wanting a piece forever and finally there's a

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01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 4: chance of getting one.

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Speaker 6: So I'm very excited.

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01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 1: Anybody I know, I know, I know.

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01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 2: Are they selling pieces at the show?

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01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:30,440
Speaker 4: He's starting to sell so good because I want one.

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01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 8: I want to.

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Speaker 2: Come to the show.

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01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:39,719
Speaker 8: And he's like, no, no, no, but it's your first show,

1247
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 8: and he goes, it's two hours in the gallery here

1248
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 8: in Connecticut, don't know when I haven't show in New York.

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Speaker 8: That's when you come. I'm like, all right, You're.

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Speaker 2: Not all right, I mean, will be there too, We'll

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Speaker 2: be there.

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Speaker 6: Excellent, absolutely, yes, I would love to do it.

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Speaker 2: When we adore you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for all of your contributions to

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01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 1: Boy Meets world, and for the protective shield you placed

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01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 1: over all of us and have continued. It's a warm, warm,

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01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 1: fuzzy shield that I still feel to this day. And

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01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 1: I hope to see you soon so I can wrap

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01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 1: you in my arms with a big old hug.

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01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 8: I would love to.

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01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 2: Good to see you, Okay, good to see you.

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01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,719
Speaker 8: Thank you. Hi guys. Wow.

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Speaker 5: Yes, you know, like I think about how different Boy

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01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 5: Meets World would have been without her. Yeah, yeah, I

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01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:30,839
Speaker 5: mean not just in terms of the experience. I actually

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01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 5: genuinely believe creatively it would have reflected on the show too,

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01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 5: you know what I mean? Like, I think that us

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01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 5: feeling comfortable, feeling safe is what allows allowed us to

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Speaker 5: do the performances and allowed us to keep showing up

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Speaker 5: and to care about it, and allowed our parents to

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01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:49,679
Speaker 5: feel comfortable about yes, a green day, this job and

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Speaker 5: every aspect of it, and like, yeah, that it's rare.

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01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 5: Unfortunately stage was rare, and then you know, you think

1274
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:01,640
Speaker 5: about it. She left our show and brother came in, right,

1275
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:04,799
Speaker 5: and it's like, so we're between the mccrackens. We are okay,

1276
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 5: and that it's like so crazy to think that, like, yes,

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01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 5: it's actually comes from really these two people. So much

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01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:13,639
Speaker 5: of what we think of as like the positive time

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01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 5: and Boys World came from their their actual influence and

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Speaker 5: decisions that they made. And yeah, just great, amazing.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 1: Just hearing her voice and seeing her face that hasn't

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01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 1: changed much and I was like, I'm twelve again. Yeah, yeah,

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01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 1: I'm a little kid again. Thank you all for joining

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Speaker 1: us for this episode of Pod Meets World. As always,

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Speaker 1: you can follow us on Instagram pod Meets World Show.

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01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 1: You can send us your emails Podmeets World Show at

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01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 1: gmail dot com. And we've got merch.

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Speaker 6: Okay, we're buying merch in five four three.

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Speaker 2: Podmeets World Show dot com will send us out.

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Speaker 6: We love you all, pod dismissed.

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Speaker 4: Podmeets World is nheart podcast producing hosted by Danielle Fischel,

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01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 4: Wilfredell and Ryder Strong. Executive producers Jensen Karp and Amy Sugarman.

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Speaker 4: Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo, producer and editor,

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Speaker 4: Tara Sudbaksch, producer, Maddy Moore, engineer and Boy Meets World

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Speaker 4: superfan Easton Allen. Our theme song is by Kyle Morton

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Speaker 4: of Typhoon, and you can follow us on Instagram at

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Speaker 4: Podmeats World Show, or email us at Podmets Worldshow at

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Speaker 4: gmail dot com.