1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from how Stuff Works 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: dot Com. Hey, welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, 3 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 1: and there's Charles W Chuck Bryant, and there's Jerry over there. 4 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: This is Stuff you Should Know fairy Tale Edition. Jerry 5 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: is supposedly on vacation. Yea, what's going on? But she 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: came in here just for us, Jerry. I think she 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: feels beholden. That's nice, which is weird because she's We've 8 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: had guest producers. I don't know. Maybe she feels like 9 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: her job is threatened. Is today the day I die? Oh? Jeesus? 10 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: Hoping Jerry knows it. Can't we at least get these 11 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: two in the can first? Yeah, well probably unless something 12 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: really crazy happens in the next hour and two. Yeah, 13 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: that'll give me time to get in touch with like 14 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: the five people I have on my list to replace you. 15 00:00:54,760 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: I know, the five Bano right, Obama? Right, Michael Stipe, 16 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: Michael Stipe, Bobby Fisher. I think there was one more. 17 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: I can't remember, Bobby Fisher, the chess player. Yeah, that's 18 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: a little random. Well, I want to correct that episode 19 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: and Optimus Prime that's the fifth one, that's right, yea. Uh, Chuckers. 20 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of fairy Tale before? Yeah? We 21 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: uh we did two very good episodes. Oh, if you 22 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 1: say so yourself. No, these were good. I don't often 23 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: say that, but in November of two thousand fifteen, we 24 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: did it back to backer with the dark origins of 25 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: fairy tales and how the Grimm's fairy tales work or 26 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: the grand Brothers. We had fairy tale fever. We did, 27 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: but man, we licked it. So did you go back 28 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: and listen to them and you're like, wow, these are 29 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: good or you just remember them being good. I remember 30 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: them being good, okay, and being especially kind of proud 31 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: of those too. Really, that's fantastic. That's how I feel 32 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: about your limb is torn off? Now? What? That was 33 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: a good one good title about reattachment surgery. Remember that? Yeah? 34 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: I think that that titles all you. That's a Josh 35 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: Clark title. You've got some good titles out there too. 36 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: What's the deal with blank? You know who's really good 37 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: at coming up with titles? Bono? Yeah, where the streets 38 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: have no name? Right? Where the where the streets have 39 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: no drums? M dude, you just did it. So we're 40 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: talking about fairy tales today, specifically, specifically, we're talking about 41 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: the fairy tale of the Pie Piper of Hamlin, And 42 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: as far as fairy tales go, it seems to be 43 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: a little different than other fairy tales. And the reason 44 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: why it's a little different is because, horrifically it's people 45 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: think scholars, not just you know, average truck like, real 46 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: deal scholars think that something actually happened that formed the 47 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 1: basis of this fairy tale. Right Whereas with Hansel and 48 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: Gretel it wasn't based on some witchy lady who ate children, No, 49 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: but that one might have had some basis in fact too. 50 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: How about like rumpel Stiltskin, probably not based in fact? Right? 51 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: You remember the little guy who, like you, trick him 52 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: into saying his own name back? The little I don't 53 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: think he had a big heart. He had an insatiable 54 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: sexual appetite, is what it was. Oh, the little girls. 55 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: The big heart was Bono, right man. We're gonna get 56 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: so many emails from people being like, layoff Bono. What's 57 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: what's with the bono references? Who's Bono? They must work 58 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: with that Bono guy? I wish so chuck Um the 59 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: pie Piper. The reason why we say it might be 60 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: based in fact is because there's actual, like historic evidence 61 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: that kind of supports this thing, and you can find 62 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: it in this town of Hamlin, which is a real place. 63 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: It's not a made up like fairy tale land. Like 64 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: you knows your first clue. Yeah, most fair detales are 65 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: not set in an actual place, right, I don't know, 66 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: are they know? They're just made up, or they're in 67 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: a very vague place, or they take place in a 68 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: larger place like oh, in Germany one day, or in 69 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: Bavaria one day, not like in this town that actually 70 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: existed at the time we're saying it did. Which is 71 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: another thing too, because if you look at the actual 72 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: fairy tales we'll get to in a second, there's like 73 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: a specific date that also is very unusual for their tale. 74 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: So the more you dig into it, the more you're like, yeah, 75 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: this might have actually happened. And then what you think, oh, 76 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: this might have actually happened, then you're struck with some 77 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: of the greatest dread human being can experience, because it's 78 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: something bad happened, is what happened? Let's talk about it, 79 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: all right, Well, let's get into the original fairy tale, 80 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: The Grimm's Brothers Tale of the Pipe Piper. Not even 81 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: Irish um. Jane McGrath, good old Jane from back in 82 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: the day wrote this one, and she points out that 83 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: it is a tale, a cautionary tale about governance as 84 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: well as taking responsibility for financial agreements. She's right, but 85 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: it putting it that way, it seems a little funny. 86 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: But it is twelve eighty four in Hamlin in Germany, 87 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: and there was a rat infestation in the town at 88 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: the time, and the mayor and this is the fairy tale, 89 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 1: you're gonna right, yeah, yeah, And so that the mayor 90 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: of the town didn't know what to do. The burgermeister, 91 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, maister Burger. Uh, the stranger comes into town 92 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: and war and I didn't know what pid even meant. 93 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: I didn't either. What is it? Multi colored? Yeah, he 94 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: wore multi colored clothes, pied multi colored clothes. That's all 95 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: he was. He was a piper who wore colorful clothing. 96 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: Had nothing to do with eating pies or I thought 97 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: walk king on his feet, you know, he thought that's 98 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: what it meant. Yeah, why because I think like a 99 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: like pedestrian comes from pied p well, but I think 100 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: it's like maybe Italian or something that certainly makes more 101 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 1: sense than me having no clue. Yeah, but I was 102 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: way off, so it doesn't matter. He walked. He did walk. 103 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: That was the other reason I thought that too. So 104 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: his outfit looked a little weird. Apparently multicolored people didn't 105 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: dress like that. I reckon. I saw though that it 106 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: was also like um, like a splendid outfit that he 107 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 1: attracted a lot of attention, and people were like, I 108 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: wish I could, I wish I had the Cohonans dressed 109 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: like you pie piper dance around with a band. Uh. 110 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: And he had a called it a musical pipe or 111 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: some kind of flute, not a smoking pipe. Heads no uh. 112 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: And he hears about this rat problem. He comes into town. 113 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: He drags his fingernails along the chalkboard and gets everyone attention, 114 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: and the down meeting says, I'll kill that shark. Oh, 115 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: you gotta do it, but no, no, no, I'll kill 116 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: the rats. Yeah, but in the voice, I can't do 117 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: quint well, whatever, you can do anything. You're like the 118 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: rich little of this this company. Jerry's laughing at us 119 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: for no reason. She's so sick of this man, she's 120 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: really tickled today, Jerry, are you stoned? No, she's been 121 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: smoking her own magical pipe. So they agree on a 122 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: price to get rid of the rats. Piper takes out 123 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: his his little his little hand flute. Yeah, yeah, I 124 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: don't know if that's what's called. But the price is important. 125 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: Can I go into the price for a second. So 126 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: he initially said that he would get rid of the 127 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: rats for a thousand florins, which is either coins or 128 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: money from Italy or France or the Netherlands, but money 129 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,119 Speaker 1: a thousand a lot of the time, thousand pieces of money. 130 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: And this this town of Hamlin was so overrun by rats. 131 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: Apparently all their cats had died. Though yes they got 132 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: they beat the cats. I didn't see explained what happened 133 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: to the cats, just that the cats died, and that's 134 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: why the town is over rung. Okay, which is a 135 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: weird little thing, don't you think. Yeah, because my first 136 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: thing was like, why a pie piper just get some cats? 137 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: The cats had all died, all right, good thinking, chuck um. 138 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: But they they say a thousand florins will give you 139 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,239 Speaker 1: fifty thousand florins if you get rid of these rats. 140 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: Our problem is so bad, and he says done. But 141 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: was that a facetious offer? I think it was a 142 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: desperate a desperate boast. Okay, But the pipe piper was like, 143 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 1: all right, I'll agree to your terms. I just wanted 144 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: a thousand, but fifty thousand it is, and they went 145 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: I think we ever spent. I regret saying that. You 146 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: should hear the guy. So he pulls out the instrument 147 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: he um starts playing. As the story goes, all the 148 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: rats congregate around him, and he leaps about and dances 149 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: through town into the Weser River, which the rats drowned, 150 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: which is complete um fabrication, because rats are very good swimmers. 151 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: They really are. I thought about that too. I even 152 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: looked it up. They're good swimmers, not just rats you've 153 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: seen it's rats in general. Yeah. I mean the first thing, honestly, 154 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: when I heard that, the first thing that made me 155 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: think that was like, wait a minute, first blood. He's 156 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: in that abandoned mind chat. Those rats are swimming all 157 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: over the place. So I looked it up. I was like, 158 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: is that true? And apparently rats are really good swimmers, 159 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: better than others. It's in there too, So this fairy 160 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: tale stinks of bs already, okay, But the the story 161 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: goes that the rats followed this guy in a trance 162 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: to the river, whereupon they drowned. Maybe they were in 163 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: the trance and that was why they couldn't swim, because 164 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: they were just so lulled by his his hand flute, 165 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,719 Speaker 1: his smooth jazz. Should you take a break there and 166 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: finish the story after, Oh, it's quite a cliff banger. 167 00:09:49,600 --> 00:10:16,719 Speaker 1: All right, let's do that, all right, Chuck, We're back 168 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: to lay it on them. Man, that was that was 169 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: high class. Well, they drown all the rats. The pie 170 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: piper is successful. Everyone parties German style, which is to 171 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: say they probably got hammered on eight eight ounce beers. 172 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: Have you ever been to Germany? You ever had the 173 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: beers there? The big Yeah? I mean they've got big 174 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: old beers there for sure. And they have lids on 175 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: their their mugs too, because you know, there's so much 176 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: of it you can just set it down, save it 177 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: for later. But I don't think they save it for later. 178 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: The beer garden I went too did not have the lids. 179 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: Maybe I've just seen in those on TV. But what 180 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: they did have was a four and a half foot 181 00:10:55,160 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: tall woman with popeye sized four arms, carrying six of 182 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: those giants, like like a pro, not like a bro. 183 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: They were pros well too. It's probably sold to the 184 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: beer garden at a young age and was raised. Please 185 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 1: tell me that's not the case. Um alright, so, uh 186 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: where are we? Townspeople are partying? They're they're getting hammered, 187 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: they're singing, they're they're they're prosting, singing your German beer 188 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: hall uh songs as they are one to do. And 189 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: then dude says, uh, what's up with that? All those florins? Yeah, 190 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 1: he's like, everybody, I'm really glad you enjoyed my work, 191 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: but now it's time for me to go pay me. 192 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: And did they just stiff them or did they say, well, 193 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: let's go back to the thousand. Uh, they said, we're 194 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: not giving you fifty thousand florins. What you We thought 195 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: you were going to get rid of these rets through 196 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: hard work. You just played some flute, Like that's cool 197 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: that you can do that with the flute, but that's 198 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: not really work. So no, we're not gonna pay you 199 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: fifty thousand florence. He's like, well, in a thousand florins 200 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: at least that's what I originally agreed to. And they're like, 201 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: how about this. We're gonna give you fifty and if 202 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: you're not happy with that, then you're getting nothing. And 203 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 1: he was still so mad that they're like, fine, nothing, 204 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: get out of town. And he says, you will regret 205 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: you know what that's like. That's like highering the critter 206 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: remover because you have a raccoon in your attic. You 207 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: agree to a price. He comes over and shoots the 208 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: raccoon and says game over, and you're like, wait a minute. 209 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: I expected a little more like uh, like you were 210 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: going to hypnotize him or or coax him down from 211 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: the roof with your smooth jazz. Right, not just shoot it. 212 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: Anybody could shoot it. I thought you're gonna like step 213 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: on it or something. Yeah, Like I would have shot it. 214 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: Looking for a peaceful, less solution right in place, I 215 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: have a bullet hole in my house. Now have you 216 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: ever had to call one of those people a raccoon remover? Well, 217 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: I'll just you know those dudes, just like you know, 218 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: I'll do snakes and raccoons or whatever. I haven't either, 219 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: but a lot of my friends do that. I'm over one. 220 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: I think I mentioned with cockroaches right now, and it's 221 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: just it's getting bad still, Yeah, dude, because I don't 222 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: know what to do. Hire an exterminator. Yeah, but we're 223 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: not into the poison stuff. But I think it's like, 224 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: we gotta do it. I think there's green exterminators that 225 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: are not quite as deadly. Jerry's nodding, But will they 226 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: kill all the cockroaches? Probably? Probably? You probably with their 227 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: magic flute, and I need to do something. It's gotten 228 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: out of hand. Yeah, you got to do something, like 229 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: I almost I'm gonna tell you what happens, but I 230 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: feel like people judge me on how disgusting it is. 231 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: We can always edit it out later, all right. I'll 232 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: go in and and this is not like it's not 233 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: like food is out. I will clean the kitchen. I 234 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: will go in there to get a glass of water. 235 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: At midnight, I'll turn the light on and a dozen 236 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: will scatter. Jerry's geting, Nope, like I will just I 237 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: will hear them going, sure, Yeah, that's one of the 238 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: creepiest things. And they you know, as soon as they 239 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: see that light, they're gone. And it sounds like we 240 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: live in filth. But it doesn't matter. We're infested. They're 241 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: just like, I don't know what to do. Yeah, well, um, 242 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: I think you may want to call an exterminator, but fine, 243 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: one you live into cator. I'm sure you'd be hard 244 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: pestifind an exterminator that did use deadly You throw a 245 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: rock indicator and you'll hit a dust So I yes, 246 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: I think it might be time. All right, Sorry about 247 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: getting sidetracks so much. They offer him, what fifty fifty 248 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: not even not fifty thou or a thousand fifty? And 249 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: so what does he say? He says, but he did 250 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: that little everybody. You can't see me, but you know 251 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: where you flick the underside of your chain, that feel 252 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: like that's Italian? Well, I mean this is Germany, it's 253 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: Lower Saxony. It wasn't too far from Germany. But is 254 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: that Italian? I was just wondering. Yeah, it feels like 255 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: a very like Italian thing to do. Yeah, okay, right exactly. 256 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: You gotta say it like that, all right. So he 257 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: gives him that number and says I'm gonna come back. 258 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: Does he even warn them and say I'm gonna come 259 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: back and get your kids or I'm just gonna it 260 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: depends on it's all good, you'll see me again. It 261 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: depends on the story. Some say, yeah, he vowed vengeance. 262 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: Some say he came back a month later. Some say 263 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: he came back a year later. Some say he just 264 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: immediately started playing his flute. Some say, and I think 265 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: the brothers grim version is that he waited until the 266 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: town went to sleep, and then came through the town 267 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: and started playing again. All right, but this time he's 268 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: wearing Hunter's clothing. Did not see that anywhere? Oh? Really 269 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: does that? Bs? Well? I don't think it's b S. 270 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: I think this story has just been added to so 271 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: many times over there. But yeah, I shouldn't have ever 272 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: been to anything. All right, So he comes back regardless 273 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: of what he's wearing. Let's say he's buck naked, which 274 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: makes it even more fun. Well, you just added to 275 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: the legend just there. He starts playing this flute again, 276 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: but this time the children are entranced. He leads like 277 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty kids supposedly, Yeah, paying attention to 278 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: a number. It seems a little specific, doesn't it does. 279 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: He leads a hundred and thirty children out of town 280 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: up a mountain to a cave. They supposedly enter and 281 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: are never heard from again, right, And the mountain has 282 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: a landslide and covers up the cave mouth, and supposedly 283 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: it was a magical door that opened in the mountain 284 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: that revealed the key. They go in, doors closed, landslide gone, 285 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: never heard from again, like you said, And the townspeople 286 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: are like, there goes our labor pool, there goes my baby, 287 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: there goes their labor pool. Who's going to service at 288 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: the beer gardens? And supposedly there in one version, at 289 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: least um there was the mayor's grown daughter was among 290 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: that group, and this feels like a specific jab at 291 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: the mayor, like even though your daughter's grown, I'm gonna 292 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: and transfer with my flute as well. Yeah, well I 293 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: don't think that was in the original Grand Brothers one either, 294 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: But but two children survived correct or they come back, 295 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: I think. And the Grimm Brothers version is just one. 296 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's up to three. But there there's in a 297 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: lot of retellings, there's a kid who either Um is 298 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: deaf and so can't hear the magic flute song, so 299 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: it's not entranced. Um has some sort of physical disability, 300 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: and so he or she can't keep up with the 301 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: rest of the kids and survives from that um or 302 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 1: I think it's blind and can't see their way. Either way, 303 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: some kid who had some unique characteristic that kept them 304 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:39,239 Speaker 1: from being um entranced or whatever. Uh is like the 305 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: eyewitness that comes back and tells the parents what happened, 306 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: or in another version, is just a skeptic child skeptic. 307 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 1: This can't be happening. Louis the child's skipt um. That's funny. 308 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: So all right, so let's get into this. It may 309 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: not to be fictions, as it turns out, because a 310 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 1: lot of historians and scholars have looked into this. You 311 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 1: talked about the specificity being a little weird. One thing 312 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: we do know is that at one point there was 313 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: a stained glass window in the in the town church 314 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: um that depicted and this was what around thirteen hundreds 315 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: is after it would have happened, but I mean sixteen 316 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: years in memory, living memory, it was when they first 317 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 1: erected that window, which kind of makes sense as a memorial. Uh. 318 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 1: And on that window it said on the day of 319 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,959 Speaker 1: John Paul, I'm sorry John and Paul. One thirty children 320 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: in Hamlin went to Calvary were brought through all kinds 321 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 1: of danger to the copin mountain and lost. Yeah. So 322 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: the Calvary thing that I thought was another word for Heaven, 323 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: isn't it. I'm gone, I'm going to Calvary in that 324 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: was like in that like the hill where was crucified. 325 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 1: If I know this, surely you know used to know this. 326 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: I know it looms large and and Christianity, but I 327 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: can't remember exactly. I think it's like shorthand for I'm 328 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: going to meet my maker. I saw elsewhere that they 329 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: referred to the mountain as cavalry. Yeah. They also referred 330 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: to the area that the children went to Calvary as 331 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 1: the execution place. I never saw any explanation of that. 332 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: And then the copp And Mountain. I don't understand why 333 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: that would be also named Calvary, and they would mention 334 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: at the same place twice with two different names. So 335 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 1: it's a bit of a mystery. But the point is, 336 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: about fifteen sixteen years after this event supposedly happened, or 337 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: the fairy tale takes place, the town of Hamlin, Germany 338 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: in um Lower Saxony or West Falley, I think is 339 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: what it's called now, put put up of stained glass 340 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: window commemorating this and the window did not survive, but 341 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: apparently there are accounts of that window, yeah, like in 342 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 1: more than one place. Yeah, and it was I mean 343 00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 1: you can understand that it would be because it was 344 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: in the town church for hundreds of years before it 345 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: was destroyed. No one knows how it was destroyed, but 346 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: there is documentation that this window existed. Obviously, no living 347 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: historians saw it with their own eyes, but there's enough, 348 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 1: um documentary evidence that it seems to be. Yes, there 349 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: was a window that was erected in That is a 350 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: very weird thing to do to just make up right, 351 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: very weird, um, especially in the church. Yeah, you don't 352 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,959 Speaker 1: why you go to hell for that? So that was 353 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: that was the first documentary evidence, right. The next one 354 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: I saw comes a hundred years later in four and 355 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 1: um it's in the Hamlin Town Chronicle for that year, 356 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: and all it says is it is one hundred years 357 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: since our children left. Yeah. Kind of weird. And what 358 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: is that just a blurb? I guess so you'd think 359 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 1: a hundred year commemoration they might add a little more 360 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: than that. Yeah, and what is this the Luneberg Manu's 361 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: script This was about a hundred years after the window. 362 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 1: And this was a monk who wrote it, Heinrich of Hereford, 363 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 1: and he says, he writes an account and says a 364 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: man about thirty years old came to town playing a 365 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: flute and lead the children out. Yeah, pretty simple. Yeah, 366 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: but what's noteworthy about that one. There's a couple of things. Um, 367 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: So the the piper doesn't show up in the first 368 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: in the window, right, but he does show up in 369 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: the Lumberg manuscript. He mentions the piper. But no rats 370 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: in any of these, right, not yet. But the other 371 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: thing about the Lumberg manuscript is that it Looomberg is 372 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: a nearby town. So there are other towns that are 373 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: talking about this event that happened in their own chronicles. Right, 374 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 1: it was one of the reasons why. But it supports 375 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: the idea that it's real, because if it's just this 376 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: one town that's deluded, even if other towns are talking 377 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: about it, they'll probably be by the way, they're all nuts. 378 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: But other towns chronicles seemed to be verifying that this 379 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 1: happened or recounting this story in like a credulous way. 380 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: So something happened in twelve eighty four, and the evidence 381 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: is starting to mount. Um. But the other thing about 382 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: the fact that this is another town is that this 383 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: town Loomburg and other towns. Um cited that Hambling came 384 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: to be known to commemorate things counting backward or forward 385 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: from the date of twelve eighty four. So, for example, 386 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: they put up a gate in fifteen fifty six in 387 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: the town. This is what they inscribed on the gate, 388 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: chuck uh In this year of fifteen fifty six, two 389 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy two years after the magician led a 390 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty children out of the town, this portal 391 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: was erected. That's like saying, like this, we're putting up 392 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: the sewer two hundred and sixty two years after our 393 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: children were led out of town by a magician. Enjoy 394 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: the sewer. Like, that's a weird thing to inscribe in something. 395 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: And apparently the town became known for that kind of thing. 396 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: What just these random inscriptions about this weird, like mysterious event. Yeah, 397 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: just like dating everything from twelve eighty four on based 398 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: on their their children leaving. And again you'll notice it 399 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: mentions a hundred and thirty children. Things changed over the retelling. 400 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: But the one thing that's remained the same is the 401 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty children leaving. Even before the piper shows 402 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: up in the story, a hundred and thirty children are 403 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: cited each and every time. Yeah, but in what we 404 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: don't know is that, like some symbolic things, that all metaphor. Um. 405 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: Should we take a break and get to the theories, 406 00:23:43,520 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: all right, let's do that, all right. The theories are varied, Um. 407 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: One of the common ones makes that makes a lot 408 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: of sense is that there was some disease that killed 409 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: all these kids, and then this story is some sort 410 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 1: of metaphor for what happened to their children. And the 411 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 1: fact that rats come into play at some point have 412 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: led people to speculate that it might be the bubonic plague. Yeah, 413 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: there's a guy named um, Count Froben Christoph von Zimmer. 414 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 1: Can you say it like that? Frob Now? I don't know, 415 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: but I know that that guy will steal your soul 416 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: in the middle of the night if you're not careful. Yeah, so, 417 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: Count Froben Christoph von Zimmer. You can only say all 418 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: of his names, You can't her. He wrote a chronicle 419 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: in five from another nearby town and he was the 420 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 1: one who seems to event produced the rats. And so 421 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: at that point the piper goes from just a weirdo 422 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: magician to ratt and fonger, Yeah, rat catcher, Yeah, which 423 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 1: was a job, it was, And I mean like like 424 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: this town would have had rats, Any town would have 425 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 1: had rats, So it would have been, like, it's understandable 426 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: like that the rats would come into it, and it's 427 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: not like that's just, you know, a totally outlandish addition 428 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 1: to the story. But the fact that it doesn't show 429 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: up until fifteen sixty five, and this has been documented 430 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: for hundreds of years up to that point, seems a 431 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: little fishy. And it certainly seems weird that it would 432 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: have been the plague because the play couldn't come around yet, 433 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: right right, And it also seems fishy that it doesn't 434 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: mention anything about adults and any sort of rat carrying 435 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: or diseased rat would it seems like it wouldn't just 436 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: affect kids. No, it doesn't make any sense, No, it doesn't. 437 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: But the idea that a hundred and thirty kids were 438 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: taken from the town in one four or fashion, you 439 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: could say, well, it's like some sort of disease. One 440 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: of the other diseases that got um put up was 441 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: Parkinson's I believe or no, Huntington's I'm sorry, which is 442 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: a stupid theory. It's a terrible theory. Huntington's disease is 443 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: an inherited disease, so that would mean that every kid 444 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,239 Speaker 1: in the town had inherited Huntington's from their parents, who 445 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 1: apparently weren't showing any symptoms. I don't know, I couldn't 446 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: find it, but it's a terrible one. And then the 447 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: idea that so it's not infectious, it's rare, and everybody's 448 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: symptoms coming on at the same time in dying. The 449 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: reason why they said that, though, was because supposedly um 450 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: the shakes from it, the palsy, would account for the 451 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: dancing of the children. It seems like a pretty dumb 452 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: thing to zero in stretch Huntington disease were crossing off 453 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: the list all right. One of my favorites is that 454 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: the children left on their own as part of one 455 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: of the crusades. And apparently the one thing that doesn't 456 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 1: quite align is the timeline, because a few decades previous 457 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: there were in fact young people children probably teenagers, doctor 458 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: were like eight year old participating in the crusades, one 459 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: of them would have a vision from God and say, 460 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: you know, we should totally cover the crusades. I don't 461 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: think we have we done that? No, not yet. There's 462 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: a really good article on the site too, would be 463 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 1: it's a pretty dense single. Yeah, we might do too. 464 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 1: Two part are on the crusades coming. Uh, So you 465 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: would you know, one of those kids would have a 466 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: vision from God and then all the kids would follow 467 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: and say, all right, when we take our broadswords that 468 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: we can barely lift and go fight the good fight. Right. 469 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 1: So that's one theory, and that's actually a pretty uh 470 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: it's that that's a little more rooted in reality. Like, yes, 471 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: there were children's crusade before documented. It's possible it happened 472 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,199 Speaker 1: a decade or two later. Like if if it was 473 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: in the area and well known, some other kid could 474 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: have been like, okay, let me try my hand at it, 475 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 1: changes his name to Jim Jones and says follow me 476 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 1: to Jerusalem. Right, So that that one could have happened. 477 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 1: It's possible. Um the other one, and this is supposedly 478 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: the most widely held theory. Chuck was that this is 479 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: all part of the oh sedlung o S. This is 480 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 1: a tongue twister O S T s I E D 481 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: l u n G, which is basically an exodus or 482 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: an eastward expansion from Germany to Transylvania, Romania area which 483 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: was being newly settled by um Western Europeans after conquering, 484 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: like the whole Dracula era. So the idea is an 485 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: adult came and said, hey, kids, why don't you come 486 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: with me and we'll we'll go like populate eastern Europe 487 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: pretty much right right, so um, and there is evidence 488 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: that this this did like this definitely happened, right, there 489 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: was a migration eastward. Um. And the big thing about 490 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,719 Speaker 1: this one is that they were misinterpreting the word kids 491 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: or children that it could have been the town's children. 492 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: But it's like their their children, they weren't kids. They 493 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: were you know, young adults who were who would have 494 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: represented like, you know, a lot of the workforce. So 495 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: that would have been a big deal had they left. 496 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: So that's a that's I think the most widely held 497 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: one right now. Well, one of the traditions you're hanging 498 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: onto is uh and I kind of teased it with 499 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: that dumb bano jerk jerk, poor Bono, he's like that 500 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: bono joke earlier is uh today still Um. The street 501 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: where this supposedly all happened, um is called the bungalowsan 502 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: Sasa street with no drum, street without drums, And to 503 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: this day they won't allow people to play music or 504 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: dance on that street. Right, the rest of the town 505 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: and including that street, but really the rest of the 506 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: town is the whole town is dedicated to this legend. Um. 507 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: I thought you dedicated to music and dancing. Well, I'm 508 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: except for the street they do. There is a musical 509 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: called Rats that's put on in the town seriously, um. 510 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: And there's there's like a pie piper statue and recreations 511 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: every Sunday in the summer. Oh yeah, it's huge tourist 512 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: town for this. Um. There's like a I think a 513 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: Rats blug cocktails that they serve. I saw. It's like 514 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: a mental falss article. I mentioned that. But Um, the 515 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: town is dedicated to this. But there's there's the fact 516 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: that they're still talking about it is not just legend, 517 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: it's um. It's like they're they're still telling that story 518 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: to an extent, you know what I mean, keeping it alive, 519 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: not just for tourist dollars because it looms large because 520 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: this is their ancestry. Well, they definitely, Um. There are 521 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: some more um theories that haven't gained as much traction, 522 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: Like there was a pedophile that came. Um, these children 523 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: were just maybe just simply sent away because they're very poor. 524 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: Because that happened. That's my theory that that was just 525 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: sort of the regular thing that would happen. Is we're 526 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: also poor, you go away and live a better life somewhere. Yeah, 527 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: And that's where Hansel and Gretel is kind of rooted 528 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: in reality, the idea of child abandonment. Remember we talked 529 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: about that. I believe in the in one of the 530 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: fairy Tale episodes from before that like if you fell 531 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: on hard times, just taking your kid out to the 532 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: woods and being like, best of luck. It was a 533 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: viable thing to do during the Middle Ages. And it's 534 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: possible that this town, basically said it would be like 535 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: a combination of the guy coming from Romania and saying 536 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: follow me, and the parents being like, maybe you should 537 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: go with him, And then that would explain why the 538 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: whole thing is written in like such vague, flowery language. 539 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: To me, that indicates that they're they're working out guilt. 540 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: There's guilt by this town vague. They're not direct. Other 541 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: towns are talking about this legend in much more explicit terms, 542 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: But in the town of Hamlin, it's all very like 543 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: like flowery and and poetic and vague, And it makes 544 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: me think they're they're covering something up that they have 545 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: to get off their chest, but they're still they can't 546 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: bring themselves to actually say what it was. Well, that 547 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: sort of jibes then with um, this dude, he's a 548 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: children's poet named Michael Rosen. He sent that one article. 549 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: He actually went to Hamlin and hooked up with a 550 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: guy named Michael Boyer from the tourism office there, and 551 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: Boyer says that he thinks the rats were added and 552 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: this this makes sense with your theory. Was that just 553 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: sort of an attempt to wash away what he said, 554 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: we're bad memories, like a ever up to draw attention 555 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: away from this awful thing. They're like, hey, let's tell 556 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,479 Speaker 1: this rat story, right, But if you'll notice also in 557 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: that story with the rats there there is guilt by 558 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: the town. The town is guilty of something and they 559 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: lose their children as a result. So if the rats 560 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: were actually part of the original story, even if it 561 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: wasn't documented, even if there weren't real rats, it still 562 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: is putting some veneer of guilt onto the town. It 563 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: wasn't something that just happened to them. This thing befell 564 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 1: them because they did something wrong. I don't I feel 565 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: like there could be a deeper mystery though, Yeah, I 566 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: think there is. Like, for real, I think there's something 567 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: really happened in Hamlin in twelve eighty four and they 568 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: lost a hundred and thirty kids somehow, and the town 569 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: it was psychically damaged by it. Are you going to 570 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: title this one pie Piper colon cold case? That's a 571 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: good one. Actually not? Okay, you got anything else? No? 572 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: Now I want to know more. I know I got 573 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: sucked into this. I can't remember which of the articles 574 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: I sent it got me, but I don't remember how 575 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,839 Speaker 1: I came across it, but it was it was like, oh, 576 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: I've never thought of this, And it's not like you 577 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:16,720 Speaker 1: can do this with every um fairy tale. Right there's 578 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 1: you know, there's there's probably no rapondola and probably no 579 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: rumple Stiltskin, Hansel and Gretel's just so vague. Probably happened 580 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,720 Speaker 1: to multiple children, but this one, this happened in Hamlin 581 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: in twelve eighty four. Something happened. We may never know 582 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 1: what it was, but it's pretty interesting. My mind goes 583 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: really dark and thinks, like, what if there was just 584 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: a mass murder? Well, one more thing, one more thing. 585 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up. So the execution place 586 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: that the Coppin Mountain or Cavalry Mountain or whatever it was, 587 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: supposedly that was where they buried people too, So they 588 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: were saying that could be code for a mass grave 589 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: where they would have buried people, which would suggest a 590 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: mass death that happened in a short period of time. Man, 591 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,959 Speaker 1: can you imagine if there was a discovery made of 592 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: children's bones in a mountains somewhere north of Hamlin to 593 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: be neat nor because it's mountains, I just think that 594 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: means they're north. So one more you keep bringing up 595 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: this awesome stuff, dude, you ready, I'm ready. They recently 596 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: discovered I think they discovered it a while back, but 597 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 1: they recently publicized that the discovery of a and believe 598 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,280 Speaker 1: it was. It was definitely in Peru. It wasn't Incan. 599 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: It was one of the Incan's rivals, the Inca rivals Um. 600 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: But it was a mass sacrifice of hundreds of kids 601 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: that all happened on one day, one after the other. 602 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: It was and like they found this and you're reading it, 603 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: and you're like, this probably has never happened in the 604 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: history of the world anything like this, Nothing like this. 605 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 1: I mean this they were probably child side or they 606 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: were definitely child sacrifices, but they would do it like 607 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,760 Speaker 1: once in a while or something. But imagine a town 608 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: gone that berserk that they just let their kids, Like 609 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,720 Speaker 1: hundreds of kids just killed in a day in one area. 610 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: It was. It's really rough, man, it's but reading about it, 611 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's just too you can't help but 612 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 1: pull yourself back into that day and just see it 613 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: and want to be like, stop, what are you doing? 614 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: You've lost your mind? You know. And if it happened once, 615 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: it could happen again. I guess you know, maybe the 616 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,240 Speaker 1: parents were all uh, maybe they all drank bad beer 617 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 1: one day. Yeah, it made him temporarily insane. That'd be 618 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: really bad. It sounds like a a Blumhouse movie to Come. 619 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: What is that? It's just that production company that makes 620 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: a lot of the horror movies. Now what like what 621 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: I think they did get out among many others? Good? Okay, 622 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: you've got anything else? Now I got nothing else, Jerry, No, okay. Well, 623 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 1: if you want to know more about the pie Piper 624 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: and all that stuff, you can type that word in 625 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: the search bar how stuff works dot com. And since 626 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,319 Speaker 1: I said that, it's time the listener mail. I'm gonna 627 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,399 Speaker 1: call this a double Keen Signeta reply because you heard 628 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,839 Speaker 1: from a couple of people with some good insight. First, Alexandra, 629 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 1: longtime listener from San Juan, Puerto Rico, loved episode on 630 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 1: Kensaneta's It's usual. You did a great job approaching a 631 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 1: cultural tradition but it's not your own, while providing a 632 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: balanced information, well rounded and textualization of the celebration and 633 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: its influence. She's like in parnhses it was the opposite 634 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:34,359 Speaker 1: of the episode. Oh man, we've gotten beat up about that. 635 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: For my own Keen Signetta, my mother gave me the 636 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,720 Speaker 1: option of the traditional coming of age party or a trip. 637 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,319 Speaker 1: What do you think she chose? I'm guessing a trip yeah, 638 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: I chose to travel and spent a month in Germany 639 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: this summer I turned fifteen. Looking back, it's amazing that 640 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 1: she trusted me enough at such a young age travel 641 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: on my own, although I did stay with family. She's like, 642 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: it's the greatest regret of my young life. I wish 643 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: I would have partied. Uh. I just wanted to clarify 644 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 1: a few things you brought up. Um, l A T 645 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,239 Speaker 1: I n X is pronounced, she says, Latin X. Uh. 646 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: It refers to those from Latin America or Latin American descent. 647 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,839 Speaker 1: Hispanic refers to Spanish speaking persons. Oh and your pronunciation 648 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,360 Speaker 1: of kintanana was great, as the r a is a 649 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 1: soft our sound. Um, no need to read this on 650 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 1: the podcast, sorry, Alexandra. Uh. And then this other follow 651 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 1: up I want this guy says, this is tiban Plinsky. 652 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,720 Speaker 1: I recognize that name. I think he's on Twitter or something. 653 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: Oh really, yeah, great name. He's local, is she said? Disclaimer, 654 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: I'm a white person from Georgia, so I have no 655 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 1: authority here at all, but we'll be referring to the 656 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: opinions of actual Latino Latina Latin X people I know 657 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,799 Speaker 1: or have read the writings of I personally only heard 658 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,320 Speaker 1: that word pronounced with confidence in the following two ways, 659 00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:01,320 Speaker 1: latin X and latin X. However, some people say latin 660 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:08,280 Speaker 1: X or latins Latino X sounds right because it's Latino 661 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: Latina latin X, Yeah, that makes sense, or LATINX rhymes 662 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 1: with sphinx Um. I don't think that's right, or something 663 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 1: else entirely, as evidenced by this Twitter poll and he 664 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 1: shared the Twitter poll, which was from a media brand 665 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,920 Speaker 1: for Latino millennials. Interestingly, there appears to be backlash against 666 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: the term by some who view it as an attempt 667 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 1: intentional or not to anglicize Spanish. They say this is 668 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,320 Speaker 1: part of a larger movement to paint Hispanic, Latino, Latina 669 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:42,399 Speaker 1: latin X people as sexist and ignorant. Mexican American person 670 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 1: who introduced me to the term was still sorting out 671 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,439 Speaker 1: their feelings about the whole situation. Uh so that's where 672 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 1: we step steps into uh taibon plinsky. Uh. If you 673 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 1: want to get in touch of this, like Tie and 674 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: Alexandra did, you can tweet to us. I'm josh Um 675 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,720 Speaker 1: Clark and at s Y s K podcast and Chuck's 676 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 1: at movie Crush. You can join Chuck on Facebook at 677 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,360 Speaker 1: Facebook dot com, slash Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and slash 678 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know. You can send us all an email. 679 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 1: The Stuff podcast at how stuff Works dot com and 680 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,720 Speaker 1: has always joined us our home on the web, Stuff 681 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 1: you Should Know dot com. 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