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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Ron Andian The Car Doctor podcast. Ron

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Speaker 1: takes your calls at eight five five five six zero

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Speaker 1: nine nine zero zero to help you solve your automotive problems.

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Speaker 1: But he also does great interviews like this one.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you know what next week is? Welcome back, by

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Speaker 2: the way.

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Speaker 3: Next week is September twenty one through the twenty seventh

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Speaker 3: is Child Passenger Safety Week. And this is a subject

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Speaker 3: near and dear to my heart. And you know a

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Speaker 3: grandpa now right, two grandchildren. And I always look at

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Speaker 3: the how car seats are set up in vehicles that

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Speaker 3: come into the shop, and I wonder if they're set

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Speaker 3: up right. And I see some goofy things that parents do,

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Speaker 3: and I thought to get Child Passenger Safety Week off

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Speaker 3: to a great start. We've reached out to the Insurance

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Speaker 3: Institute for Highway Safety. They're based out of Virginia, and

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Speaker 3: here to talk about it is doctor Jessica Jermonkian.

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Speaker 2: Armenian. Sort of. We've established that, right, doctor, yes, sort of.

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Speaker 4: I'm married into the name, right so.

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Speaker 3: And in all fairness, right, I've given you the briefing

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Speaker 3: on I'll give you my pilloff recipe after the interview.

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Speaker 2: So perfect you'll be all set.

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Speaker 3: So tell us about the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety

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Speaker 3: and where is it and what is it exactly that

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Speaker 3: you folks do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, So the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. We're

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Speaker 4: located in Virginia. We have our Vehicle Research Center, which

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Speaker 4: is where we crash vehicles and do tests on vehicles

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Speaker 4: out on our track. They were funded solely by auto

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Speaker 4: insurers and our mission is to reduce property damage, injury

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Speaker 4: and fatalities in crashes, so keeping our roads safer, and

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Speaker 4: we do that through research and communications. Many people know

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Speaker 4: us through our vehicle ratings program, where we rate vehicles

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Speaker 4: on how safe they are.

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Speaker 3: So you'll look at you'll look at vehicles, you'll look

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Speaker 3: at you know, how it crashes, and then rate it

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Speaker 3: and say.

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Speaker 2: Well, this vehicle as a seven, and this vehicle is

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Speaker 2: a six and so on and so.

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Speaker 4: Forth, something like that. A little bit more like this

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Speaker 4: is a this is good, this is marginal, this is

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Speaker 4: poor performance. And we have we bundle all of our awards,

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Speaker 4: all of our ratings into a ward that we call

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Speaker 4: Top Safety Pick. So if you hear that on advertising

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Speaker 4: that that comes from the Insurance Institute for Highway safety.

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Speaker 4: But it's important to remember that we do a lot

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Speaker 4: of work across the whole spectrum of traffic safety, not

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Speaker 4: just focused on vehicles, but we also look at infrastructure,

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Speaker 4: driver behavior, you know, pedestrian, cyclists, all of it.

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Speaker 3: So if I've put my kid in a top rated

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Speaker 3: safe vehicle, why do I need to use a child restraint?

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Speaker 4: Well, putting them in a top rated safe vehicle is

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Speaker 4: a good first start. But the thing is, vehicle seats

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Speaker 4: and restraint systems are designed for adults and kids are smaller.

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Speaker 4: They're adults, restraint systems don't fit them, and not only

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Speaker 4: are they smaller, but they also don't have the same proportions,

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Speaker 4: and they aren't they aren't fully developed, and so they

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Speaker 4: So we know how to protect kids and crashes, but

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Speaker 4: they do need special equipment in certain parts of their

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Speaker 3: So, doctor Jimalkin, you know, when we look at this,

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Speaker 3: we're if I'm a parent, if I'm a new parent

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Speaker 3: and I'm trying to you know, set my child up,

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Speaker 3: I want to start driving with them. You know, what

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Speaker 3: are the top things parents need to keep in mind

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Speaker 3: when they're using either a child restraint or a booster seat.

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Speaker 3: You know, how do I keep my kids safe in

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Speaker 4: Well, so the most important thing is to make sure

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Speaker 4: your child is buckled up on every on every trip,

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Speaker 4: no matter how short. Then we really want kids to

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Speaker 4: be in the right seat for their agent size. So,

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Speaker 4: as I mentioned, for children are in different child restraint

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Speaker 4: make sure that they're snugly restrained that in that child

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Speaker 3: So you know, is some of this a conversation about

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Speaker 3: how much does the child weigh? How big is the

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Speaker 3: to be a conversation in here. At some point we

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Speaker 3: is you know, that's kind of like we made potty training.

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Speaker 2: That's like a big deal right, you know, And how

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Speaker 2: do we go through all that exactly? Yeah, how do

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Speaker 4: All that exactly? Well, So the youngest kids, we need

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Speaker 4: them to be rear facing and ideally until they reach

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Speaker 4: need them to be rear facing at least until age two.

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Speaker 4: The car seat shell spreads those forces, those crash forces

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Speaker 4: across their body and head and protects their undeveloped necks

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Speaker 4: really important. The fact is, we'd all be safer rear facing,

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Speaker 4: shouldn't be in a rush to turn their kids forward facing.

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Speaker 4: They should keep them rear facing for as long as

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Speaker 3: They should keep them in the back seat, right, you know,

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Speaker 3: I see I see some parents, Well I want to

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Speaker 3: you know, I want to keep my eye on the baby,

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Speaker 3: so I put the baby in the cars in the

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Speaker 3: the event God forbid of an accident.

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Speaker 2: The airbag goes off.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very important that kids remain in the back seat,

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Speaker 4: especially absolutely for rear facing kids. When airbags first came

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Speaker 4: out in the mid nineties, we had lots of tragedies

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Speaker 4: of where children were in the front seats and were

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Speaker 4: injured or killed by deploying airbags, and so we had

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Speaker 4: a very successful education campaign and getting parents to understand

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Speaker 4: So that recommendation still holds. We want kids twelve and

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Speaker 4: under to still be in the back seat. The good

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Speaker 4: news is that airbags have changed a lot since the

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Speaker 4: mid nineties, so we do have some protections in place

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Speaker 4: in the front seat to make them more friendly when

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Speaker 4: maybe occupants are not in a great initial position. But

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Speaker 4: the evidence still shows that kids are still safest in

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Speaker 3: So listen, I'm gonna you know, I'm a parent and

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Speaker 3: I want to sit in I want to talk to

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Speaker 3: my kid. He's ten years old. We're gonna, we're gonna

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Speaker 3: go we're gonna go fishing this morning. We're gonna I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna put him in front of the pickup truck next

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Speaker 3: to me, and I can turn my air bag off.

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Speaker 3: How big of a disaster. Is that How many things

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Speaker 3: am I doing wrong there? Even though he's in a

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Speaker 3: seat belt. Now he's got no air Now he's got

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Speaker 3: no air bag. How big of a problem is that?

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Speaker 2: Doctor?

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So one of one of the reasons we recommend

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Speaker 4: not just about age and size, but it's also about maturity.

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Speaker 4: And we want to make sure that kids can sit

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Speaker 4: in that seat in front of the air bag, sit

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Speaker 4: with you know, all the way back in the seat,

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Speaker 4: and not get themselves in a position where they could

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Speaker 4: interact with a deploying air bag. So it's really important

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Speaker 4: And you know, I know you want to talk to

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Speaker 4: I know you want to talk to your kids going

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Speaker 4: on the fishing trip, but you can do that right

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Speaker 4: in the you know, right from front seat to back.

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Speaker 3: Seat, right through the rear view mirror. And it's just

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Speaker 3: because I see it. That's that to me, is one

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Speaker 3: of the biggest sources of tragedy. I can't tell you

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Speaker 3: how many cars come through the shop, and I know

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Speaker 3: they don't come through it a second time because I

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Speaker 3: scold them enough the first time, take the seat and

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Speaker 3: put it behind you. You don't need to do that

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Speaker 3: because I don't think people understand the exploding force of

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Speaker 3: going off in your face to a to a large degree,

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Speaker 3: so to a child, that can be that can be fatal,

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's it's really important that all of us

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Speaker 4: stay away from Like if we're sitting in an appropriate

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Speaker 4: position in you know, in either the driver's seat or

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Speaker 4: in the event of a crash, you know, the air

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Speaker 4: bag will deploy and we will move into it. The

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Speaker 4: problem comes when people get too close to it when

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Speaker 4: it deploys.

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Speaker 3: Right right, doctor, doctor Jamaican Ron and nanny and the

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Speaker 3: car doctor and I will both be back right after this.

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Speaker 2: Doctor. You can stick around. I'm sorry I should have

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Speaker 2: asked that before I assumed, right, you can stick around

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Speaker 2: a couple of minutes.

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Speaker 4: Happy to stick around.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Let's pull over. Take the pause.

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Speaker 2: I'm unning ENnie in the car. Doctor. I'll be back

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Speaker 2: right after this. Hey, it's us, we came back run

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Speaker 2: an Innie in the car. Doctor.

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Speaker 3: I'm here with doctor Jimonkiin from the Insurance Institute for

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Speaker 3: Highway Safety. We're talking about how next week is Child

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Speaker 3: Passenger Safety Week, but we like to think of Child

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Speaker 3: Passenger Safety Week as every week, right.

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Speaker 4: Doctor, Absolutely, But it is nice to have a week

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Speaker 4: that reminds us that we should be thinking about, you know,

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Speaker 4: restraining our kids on every trip and buckling up ourselves right, and.

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Speaker 3: Being safe in the car because it is a two

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: Now, I remember as a kid, my dad had a

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Speaker 3: rug story. He had a sixty three four Galaxy station wagon,

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Speaker 3: metal inside the car, and you know, I'm going to

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Speaker 3: in the back of the station wagon loose. How dangerous

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Speaker 3: was that?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 3: Our kids safer today or was it okay because that

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Speaker 2: More out of metal.

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Speaker 4: No, you were lucky. You were lucky that you didn't

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Speaker 4: have any serious crashes in that situation. But kids are

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Speaker 4: safer today than they've ever been. Kids. Child deaths and

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Speaker 4: crashes have been cut in half in the last twenty years,

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Speaker 4: and that's for a few reasons. Cars are safer for everyone.

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Speaker 4: We already talked about that, and more kids are in

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Speaker 4: child restraints than ever before. That is a big success story.

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Speaker 4: We've had good education campaigns, we've had stricter laws that

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Speaker 3: Right, is there a way and obviously the first way

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Speaker 3: to set a good example for their kids. Parents shouldn't

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Speaker 3: You only get one chance to not have the accident.

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Speaker 4: Well. Of course, the most important is to buckle up

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Speaker 3: Right, Jessica, I've got two comments in our last minute.

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Speaker 2: Cool things. Well, we're going to get back.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Jamakian. It was an absolute pleasure. I appreciate the time,

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Speaker 4: Doctor, you'd be well, thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 3: And it's very easy to see the danger of the road.

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Speaker 3: So but anyway, again, thank you to doctor Jermakian and

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