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Speaker 1: to the piked in Massacre, a production of iHeartRadio and
Speaker 1: Katie Studios. On the morning of April twenty second, twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: the small town of Piked in Ohio, who awoke to
Speaker 1: some horrifying news. Spread out across four homes, all within
Speaker 1: a few miles of each other, Eight members of a
Speaker 1: local family, the Rodents, were found murdered. They were shot
Speaker 1: execution style in their beds, the victims of a methodical
Speaker 1: killing spree. It was an unprecedented and confounding crime, one
Speaker 1: that would launched the largest homicide investigation in Ohio's history. Restoration, anger, sadness,
Speaker 1: emotions are still raw in Pike County. Most of the
Speaker 1: people in this town say, whoever shot and killed eight
Speaker 1: members of the Rodent family need to be found soon.
Speaker 1: I hope that in this area apprehend eating everyone. These
Speaker 1: aren't peoples, These are monstering. Episode two, Wagner's in Custody.
Speaker 1: I'm Courtney Armstrong, a TV producer at Katie Studios. With
Speaker 1: Stephanie Lydecker and Jeff Shane, we produced television series and documentaries.
Speaker 1: Here's Stephanie for me. This case was incredibly disturbing and
Speaker 1: personally really hard to stop thinking about eight people from
Speaker 1: the exact same family, all killed in one night, but
Speaker 1: at four different locations. That's extremely strategic. The three of
Speaker 1: us have been following this case very closely for years.
Speaker 1: Here's producer Jeff Shane talking to Jodi Barr, an investigative
Speaker 1: journalists who have reported for TV station Fox nineteen and Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: You're not, as a journalist, easily shocked, but like this
Speaker 1: was shocking, probably right, Yeah, it was shocking. I would
Speaker 1: say it was more confusion because on the typical murder,
Speaker 1: or you know, a breaking news story, you can roll
Speaker 1: the advance in your mind. But this is this isn't
Speaker 1: the typical murder, you know, where there's one or two
Speaker 1: victims of a single house and you know the bad
Speaker 1: guy took off. You know, this was something way outside
Speaker 1: the norm. You're just thinking, what is going on here?
Speaker 1: This none of this makes sense, But you knew it
Speaker 1: had to be something big because you've got eight members
Speaker 1: of one family targeted, murdered in their sleep, in their homes,
Speaker 1: and the killers seemingly vanished. We didn't know the pieces,
Speaker 1: we didn't know how to put it together. There was
Speaker 1: no information coming out about these murders, about motives, even
Speaker 1: the family members who were in direct communication with law
Speaker 1: enforcement even they weren't being told anything. I mean, call
Speaker 1: it good investigative work, and you know, you hold your
Speaker 1: cards plus to the chest as an investigator. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: what it was, but you know, from the outside looking in,
Speaker 1: it was almost like the law enforcement didn't have a
Speaker 1: clue at that point in time. Overwhelming amount of tamps
Speaker 1: have been pouring into police, but no arrestive and me
Speaker 1: with or any general. Mike DeWine is saying that over
Speaker 1: two hundred investigators and police officers have contributed and so
Speaker 1: forward to this ongoing investigation, but the killer has disappeared.
Speaker 1: As the investigation dragged on, rumors ran rampant in the
Speaker 1: close knit community, and journalists like Jodie Barr started digging deeper.
Speaker 1: This did seem to be a very tactical, a very
Speaker 1: clean sort of you know, when you think of an
Speaker 1: assassin doing a hit like you see in the movies.
Speaker 1: You started to wonder if there wasn't something to that
Speaker 1: because of just how seemingly clean these killings were. I mean,
Speaker 1: how does one person or a group of people hit
Speaker 1: four separate homes, kill eight different people, seemingly lead absolutely
Speaker 1: no trace of any evidence. What does this mean, what
Speaker 1: is going on here? But after I started having conversations
Speaker 1: with the Rodent family and you started talking to some
Speaker 1: people who were very close to the victims in this case,
Speaker 1: at least very close acquaintances, you started to realize that,
Speaker 1: you know, there were some people that even I had
Speaker 1: conversations with in Pike County who I knew they knew
Speaker 1: more than what they were telling me. I knew they
Speaker 1: knew more about what happened that morning, and they knew
Speaker 1: more about the circumstances surrounding the Rodents that could have
Speaker 1: led to these murders. But they would not tell it.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it was because they were
Speaker 1: afraid or they didn't want to believe what they believed happened.
Speaker 1: But all we kept hearing from the Rodent family, from
Speaker 1: the people around there, and they were phrasing this way
Speaker 1: is that it was locals. What did that mean? We
Speaker 1: didn't know. By the summer of twenty eighteen, the investigation
Speaker 1: had entered its second year, and Piked in residence, like Barbara,
Speaker 1: were becoming increasingly scared. It's an extremely sinister thing that occurred.
Speaker 1: It's like a movie. When I was young, people got
Speaker 1: along and you know it was we left our doors unlocked,
Speaker 1: you know it was. It was that trusting and relaxed
Speaker 1: in Pike County, so we couldn't believe something like that
Speaker 1: what happened here, and it was. It was especially terrifying
Speaker 1: because no one knew who did it or why. And
Speaker 1: you don't know if your family's next. It's just grizzling
Speaker 1: scene in a briskling situation. If you are fearful, arm yourself.
Speaker 1: If you feel that you need to protect yourself or family,
Speaker 1: do so. On November thirteenth, twenty eighteen, everything with it
Speaker 1: to change. Here's Governor of Ohio, Might Dwine, then Attorney General, Well,
Speaker 1: good afternoon. We promised that the day would come when
Speaker 1: the rest would be made in the Pike County Master's
Speaker 1: Today is that day. In a series of arrest that
Speaker 1: sent shock waves through the insulated community, six members of
Speaker 1: a local family, the Wagners, were taken into custody. Up,
Speaker 1: keep your hands up, go up. Forty seven year old
Speaker 1: Billy Wagner is the patriarch of the Wagner family and
Speaker 1: was arrested near Lexington, Kentucky, and a horse trailer that
Speaker 1: was pulled over. I'm waga I'm Wagaba. Angela Wagner is
Speaker 1: Billy's wife and matriarch of the Wagner family. The forty
Speaker 1: eight year old was arrested at their home near piked In, Ohio.
Speaker 1: Go Ahead, Angelo Wagner in the car one Cope thirteen
Speaker 1: thirty one. Angela and Billy's two sons, George Wagner and
Speaker 1: Jake Wagner, were arrested together during a traffic stop. George
Speaker 1: was twenty seven and Jake was twenty six. Seventy six
Speaker 1: year old Fredrika Wagner, Billy Wagner's mother, was arrested at
Speaker 1: the family's horse farm. The Flying w Angela Wagner's mother,
Speaker 1: sixty five year old Rita Joe Nukam, was arrested at
Speaker 1: her home, while six members of the Wagner family were
Speaker 1: arrested in connection with the crime. Billy, Angela, George, and
Speaker 1: Jake Wagner were charged with eight counts of aggravated murder.
Speaker 1: It feels about the arrests of four people in the
Speaker 1: murders of eight members of the road In family back
Speaker 1: in April twenty sixteen. Mike Allen, a criminal defense attorney
Speaker 1: and legal commentator for Fox nineteen and Cincinnati was covering
Speaker 1: the story when the news broke. All the arrests happened
Speaker 1: within minutes of each other, and that tells me that
Speaker 1: the BCI, the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Identification, who was
Speaker 1: in charge of this investigation, they know what they're doing
Speaker 1: and they wanted to make sure that they affected these
Speaker 1: arrests without any kind of problems or tipping anybody off,
Speaker 1: So they had that thing down pretty tight. You've got
Speaker 1: four people charged in the murders, and the well, it's
Speaker 1: actuated murder, and that's capital murder in the state of
Speaker 1: Ohio that does have the death penalty as a possible
Speaker 1: penalty in a case like this, so it is death
Speaker 1: penalty case. How rare is it to have multiple capital
Speaker 1: murder cases going? I haven't seen multiple four people up
Speaker 1: for capital murder in Ohio before, you know what, And
Speaker 1: I've been in the system for over fifty years, and
Speaker 1: I mean the most I've seen were two co defendants
Speaker 1: being tried for capital murder from the same set of facts,
Speaker 1: but never four. So that is extremely rare that you
Speaker 1: got four people for defendants facing the death penalty. The
Speaker 1: charges for the two other family members were less severe.
Speaker 1: Grandmother Frederica Wagner, Billy Wagner's mother was charged with obstruction
Speaker 1: of justice and perjury. Angela Wagner's mother, Rita Newcomb, was
Speaker 1: charged with forgery, perjury, and obstruction of justice. But to
Speaker 1: Mike Allen, one charge brought against the alleged trigger pullers
Speaker 1: makes one thing clear. They're also charged with conspiracy engaging
Speaker 1: in a pattern of corrupt activity, which means that they
Speaker 1: all work together on this. I think it's obvious, at
Speaker 1: least to the prosecutors and the investigators that this thing
Speaker 1: there was nobody freelancing. They were possibly all operating together
Speaker 1: tampering with evidence. That kind of speaks for itself. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, once they knew that they were the focus
Speaker 1: of the investigation, perhaps they did something with the evidence.
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Speaker 1: more about the rodents and the accused, the Wagners. We
Speaker 1: also wanted to be and piped in to learn about
Speaker 1: the town. So Stephanie, Jeff and I flew to Ohio.
Speaker 1: There was this extremely eerie vibe to the town. There
Speaker 1: definitely was a sense that something very big was happening
Speaker 1: real time. It almost felt it felt a little dangerous.
Speaker 1: I think Erieinus, which said is the best word, like
Speaker 1: just something was not right. Yeah, and it's not uncommon.
Speaker 1: It was a perfect American small town, right, there's one diner,
Speaker 1: there's not a movie theater. So again, small insulated. And
Speaker 1: you know, we just when we just started trying to
Speaker 1: go door to door to meet anyone who could tell
Speaker 1: us about the Rodent family, I would say every single
Speaker 1: person we spoke to legitimately invited us inside and could
Speaker 1: not have been lovelier. There also was the experience of
Speaker 1: knocking on doors knowing very well people are there. We
Speaker 1: there was smoke coming out of the chimney, We physically
Speaker 1: saw the curtains be closed, and certain people understandably didn't
Speaker 1: want to speak to us, but those who did, they
Speaker 1: were so welcoming. We reached out to journalist Jeff Winkler,
Speaker 1: who was doing research on the Wagner family. For me personally.
Speaker 1: When I first got an idea of how the Rodents
Speaker 1: lived and you know, who was related to who and whatnot,
Speaker 1: I think I originally had the sense that the Wagners
Speaker 1: were the same sort of um position in terms of
Speaker 1: property and and perhaps financial situation. Well not but the Wagners,
Speaker 1: I was people rather surprised to learn that they had,
Speaker 1: you know, a huge farm. They'd been running various um
Speaker 1: farm businesses on this huge bit of land or landlords
Speaker 1: and um there were there was something of a sort
Speaker 1: of um sort of a family, if you will, in
Speaker 1: the area. And you know, there were people that they
Speaker 1: they we spoke with that had some very open thoughts
Speaker 1: and loving thoughts about the family. In all this, we
Speaker 1: couldn't help wonder how could this esteemed piked In family
Speaker 1: allegedly be responsible for Ohio's most horrific murder. It seemed
Speaker 1: like everyone had an opinion. Here's Angie Montgomery, a piked
Speaker 1: In resident. When the Wagners were arrested, you had your
Speaker 1: fifty fifty had people that said, yes, I knew that
Speaker 1: they did that, and then you've got people that say,
Speaker 1: there's no way those people did not happen. But we
Speaker 1: wanted to get the story for ourselves, to talk to
Speaker 1: those who actually knew the people accused of carrying out
Speaker 1: these ruthless murders. Hello, Hi, Dore, It's Jeff Shane calling Hi. Hi,
Speaker 1: How are you it is now a good time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is Deray McLevy. She's Billy Wagner's cousin and she
Speaker 1: grew up with the Wagner's. Were you close with um Billy?
Speaker 1: Billy was quite a bit younger than me. I was
Speaker 1: about eleven years old when Billy was born, but I
Speaker 1: was raised with him and we had a whole lot
Speaker 1: of fun. It was so much fun. We all bred horses,
Speaker 1: and we lived in Ohio and it was beautiful, and
Speaker 1: it snowed in the wintertime, and it was beautiful in
Speaker 1: the Thumber, and we just had so much fun. It
Speaker 1: was unbelievable. He was like a really good dad, right,
Speaker 1: like a hard working just like Sturdy, like good person, right,
Speaker 1: all for his family, all for his family. Deray's depiction
Speaker 1: of her aunt, Frederica Wagner was justice glowing. I spent
Speaker 1: my summers with my aunt Frederica. It was awesome because
Speaker 1: we rode horses, we rode ponies, did all kinds of
Speaker 1: awesome stuff. I've heard the nicest things about her that
Speaker 1: she was like an angel in that town. She had
Speaker 1: to have been an angel in that town because what
Speaker 1: I seen for her, what she did for the community.
Speaker 1: She built a church for the community. She financed the
Speaker 1: church for the community. She loves people, she loves children.
Speaker 1: But we were curious what did Deray think about the
Speaker 1: charges against her family. Our family joke is that there's
Speaker 1: no way that Betty Crocker and the Dobe boys could
Speaker 1: ever go to an extreme of murder. It's not within
Speaker 1: their capabilities. They love animals and they love people, and
Speaker 1: they are really good at being resilient. And if you
Speaker 1: look up the word hill Billy and you really research
Speaker 1: that word, they were very resilient in taking care of
Speaker 1: their family. Somebody did it, but it wasn't Now. To
Speaker 1: get more information on twenty seven year old George and
Speaker 1: twenty six year old Jake Wagner, Angela and Billy Wagner's sons,
Speaker 1: we reached out to Christina Howard. Christina's sister, Tabitha, was
Speaker 1: married to George Wagner. The pair later divorced. Christina spoke
Speaker 1: with Stephanie Lydecker about the time she spent with the
Speaker 1: Wagner family. My sister spent a lot of time over
Speaker 1: at George's house before they got married. She was pretty
Speaker 1: much living with them at the time. Before she got married.
Speaker 1: And then after she got married, she moved in with them,
Speaker 1: and I used to go over there to their house
Speaker 1: every now and again. You know. Um, And did he
Speaker 1: seem like a nice guy. What was his demeanor like? Um?
Speaker 1: It was funny. He was always cracking jokes and stuff
Speaker 1: all the time. So I don't know much about Jake
Speaker 1: Wagner at all. What was he like as a kid? Um?
Speaker 1: He was actually really sweet as a kid. We got
Speaker 1: along pretty good because you know, we just hung out
Speaker 1: all the time, played video games, went outside. Was he shy? Um,
Speaker 1: he wasn't shy with me. He was a really nice
Speaker 1: kid and well grown up. My sisters were kind of
Speaker 1: bullies to me and Tabby she was dating George at
Speaker 1: the time, and Tabby she would pick on me, and
Speaker 1: Jake he would take up for me, but like, hey,
Speaker 1: don't pick on your little sister like that. It's mean
Speaker 1: and stuff. Here's a Wagner family relative. She asked us
Speaker 1: not to use her name, but was happy to talk
Speaker 1: to us about the family. She remembers Angela Wagner as
Speaker 1: a caring mother with a big heart. Angela was just
Speaker 1: so sweet, like she was the sweetest lady. I mean,
Speaker 1: anybody could ask her for help. I know there was
Speaker 1: multiple times where there was just she had heard, you
Speaker 1: know of Um like, there was a woman and her
Speaker 1: daughter that was getting out of an abusive relationship and
Speaker 1: Angela had just heard about it. She didn't know this lady,
Speaker 1: you know, she had no idea anything about her. She
Speaker 1: just knew that this woman and her daughter, you know,
Speaker 1: needed help. So Angela went in and helped her get
Speaker 1: out of that. You know. She she gave a place
Speaker 1: to stay, She made sure that the daughter had clothes
Speaker 1: and food, and um, you know, she would always do
Speaker 1: stuff like that for people. Everything we were hearing about
Speaker 1: the Wagner seemed at odds with this image of the
Speaker 1: cold blooded killers accused of murdering an entire family. But
Speaker 1: the deeper we dug, the more secrets we began to find.
Speaker 1: Jeff continues speaking with the same anonymous Wagner relative who
Speaker 1: speaks so glowingly Evangela Wagner. As it turns out, not
Speaker 1: everyone in the Wagner family has such a sterling reputation,
Speaker 1: and when the conversation shifts to Billy Wagner, things take
Speaker 1: a turn. Here is the Wagner relative's firsthand account. Do
Speaker 1: you know when she met Billy and like when that
Speaker 1: when they got married and how like that relationship started
Speaker 1: and progressed. Uh yeah, that was. She has been with
Speaker 1: him for um twenty something years, maybe longer, but forwards
Speaker 1: he goes um. Now that's a difference. Like I and
Speaker 1: my family, we always kind of thought some kinds was
Speaker 1: like off with him. We never act, we never got
Speaker 1: to like connect with him in that way. We always
Speaker 1: everybody always trying to knew that there was something strange
Speaker 1: or that he was kind of he just had this
Speaker 1: persona about him, like he was just a very cold
Speaker 1: and hateful person really is what I thought of. In anyways,
Speaker 1: he was just a very rough around me as a guy.
Speaker 1: And when it comes to him and Angela, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure really how the beginning of their relationship was, but
Speaker 1: I know towards the end, like before or you know,
Speaker 1: right after all this happened, he was just very controlling,
Speaker 1: very controlling. She was afraid of him, extremely afraid of him,
Speaker 1: as were the boys now their oldest son George, him
Speaker 1: and his dad. They were kind of like the same.
Speaker 1: I I just I don't believe that they're good people
Speaker 1: at all. So what can you tell me? About the
Speaker 1: relationship between Angela and Billy Wagner. I do know that
Speaker 1: Angela was She was extremely She was just afraid to leave.
Speaker 1: You know, she was afraid to leave. She was terrified
Speaker 1: that if she did try to leave, that he would
Speaker 1: find her, because he made that very clear. You know
Speaker 1: from what I've heard and what her father had said
Speaker 1: on multiple trasitions, like you know you're not gonna leave.
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Speaker 1: and Billy's relationship piqued our curiosity, so we started poking
Speaker 1: around for more information about the Wagner's. Most of what
Speaker 1: we uncovered had to do with grandmother Frederico Wagner, Billy
Speaker 1: Wagner's mother, and what seemed to be some potentially questionable
Speaker 1: business practices. I followed up with journalist Jeff Winkler to
Speaker 1: find out more. Edrico Wagner was repeatedly referred to as
Speaker 1: a god fearing woman, was running a nursing home and
Speaker 1: doing a lot of community service and community care for
Speaker 1: people like the Wagners, had a lot of different sides
Speaker 1: to them exactly, and she had started a church as well,
Speaker 1: and she took underprivileged kids. If people needed groceries, she
Speaker 1: brought them groceries. So there is all of that, and
Speaker 1: then on the flip side, many other people say they
Speaker 1: were very secretive. There's also allegations of, for example, in
Speaker 1: the nursing home, maybe some dishonest business and perhaps cheating
Speaker 1: people who were at a disadvantage out of money. And
Speaker 1: these are substantial court documents. Yeah, the longer we looked
Speaker 1: into it, the longer it seemed like the Wagners, you know,
Speaker 1: apart from having property and been there for a long time.
Speaker 1: They were wheeling and dealing, and I think although they
Speaker 1: were sort of pillars of the community and involved in
Speaker 1: the community, certainly I think that sort of especially when
Speaker 1: you have that sort of much to lose, you get protective.
Speaker 1: Fredrika Wagner had very much built the family business. FREDRICKA.
Speaker 1: Wagner was the one who kept the family business going,
Speaker 1: and she get the family and businesses on track. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, when you are building an empire, the last
Speaker 1: thing you want to do is to see it fall.
Speaker 1: And they were working on their fourth generation of Wagner
Speaker 1: dominance in the area. So I can definitely understand sort
Speaker 1: of protectiveness of that. And in those cases, you you know,
Speaker 1: maybe you close, maybe you close ranks a little bit.
Speaker 1: You stick, you stick to kin. You know, blood is
Speaker 1: stick in the water. As we talked to more people
Speaker 1: in the community, we found that these rumblings about the
Speaker 1: Wagner's business practices had been circulating for years and some
Speaker 1: held a deep distrust of the family and they're once
Speaker 1: sterling reputation. Jeff got Barber's thoughts about grandmother Frederico Wagner.
Speaker 1: All I've ever heard about her is one. I've heard
Speaker 1: how wonderful she is, how generous she was. I never
Speaker 1: heard a bad word about that woman. But just you know,
Speaker 1: she knew what she was doing, and she just did
Speaker 1: what she could do to keep them from being guilty,
Speaker 1: to keep them from being found guilty or from being arrested,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, they seem like everyone
Speaker 1: was on the surface, like everyone loved them, and then
Speaker 1: when this happens, all the other dirt kind of starts
Speaker 1: coming out. It's like I can see beneath that surface,
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like I can see her heart.
Speaker 1: When I look at her, I just see a I
Speaker 1: just kind of see evil. But while Frederica Wagner may
Speaker 1: have been involved in some questionable business dealings, and to
Speaker 1: some accounts, Billy Wagner may not have been the best husband,
Speaker 1: we still didn't know what all this had to do
Speaker 1: with the Rodents. At their arrangement, all six members of
Speaker 1: the Wagner family pled not guilty to all charges. It
Speaker 1: is worth noting, however, that the charges against Frederica Wagner
Speaker 1: were eventually dropped and Rita Joe Nukam ended up taking
Speaker 1: a plea deal. There's more to tell on these grandmother's stories,
Speaker 1: but we'll get to all that later. According to official
Speaker 1: court documents, all four of the Wagner family are considered
Speaker 1: trigger polars, meaning each one of them had a hand
Speaker 1: in killing the Rodents that night, which means they drove
Speaker 1: house to house one at a time, killing eight people.
Speaker 1: It's also been speculated that Angela Wagner was really the
Speaker 1: mastermind of this whole plan. When you look at her picture,
Speaker 1: for example, her mug shot, she just looks like a
Speaker 1: regular mom that you would see at the market. She
Speaker 1: doesn't at all fit the profile that I have in
Speaker 1: my head of what a serial killer or a mass
Speaker 1: murderer should look like. And if she did do this,
Speaker 1: why did she put this plan together? Because she wanted
Speaker 1: to protect her own family? And if so, the irony
Speaker 1: is if she's found guilty, because they're all being tried separately,
Speaker 1: she may never cross paths with her husband or her
Speaker 1: sons ever. Again. You know, we obviously wanted to go
Speaker 1: back and see what was the lead up, what brought
Speaker 1: us to this point, and what was the intersection between
Speaker 1: the Roden family and the Wagner family. We got very
Speaker 1: curious about the relationship between Jake Wagner and Hannah Roden.
Speaker 1: Here's the anonymous Wagner relative again. Jake he had got
Speaker 1: involved with Hannah Roden. Hannah Roden is the middle Roden
Speaker 1: child and murder victim. She was found dead in bed
Speaker 1: next to her five day old baby, Kylie. She shared
Speaker 1: a child with Jake Wagner, a two and a half
Speaker 1: year old daughter named Sophia. Eventually, you know, they had separated.
Speaker 1: In everything that they had separated, I guess on that term,
Speaker 1: it seemed that the demise of their relationship had sparked
Speaker 1: an ugly custody battle surround Sophia. Hannah she was, you know,
Speaker 1: refusing to allow him to see her, to get her
Speaker 1: or any of the family to see her, and so
Speaker 1: it kind of just it got out of hand at
Speaker 1: that point. It just set him off to the point
Speaker 1: where Jake he had made the comments, you know, that
Speaker 1: he were going to kill her next time on the
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