1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 2: We do expect actually to start fully autonomous unsupervised FSD 3 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 2: in Texas and California next year, and that's obviously that's 4 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 2: with the Model three in Model Y, and then we 5 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 2: expect to be in production with the cyber cap, which 6 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 2: is really highly optimized for autonomous transport in probably Well, 7 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 2: I tend to be a little optimist with the time frames, 8 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: but in twenty twenty six, so yeah, before twenty twenty seven, 9 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: let me put it that way. 10 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 3: Well, Elon Musk is now the richest person on the planet. 11 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 4: More than half the satellites in space are owned and 12 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 4: controlled by one man. 13 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 3: Well, he's a legitimate super genius. 14 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: I mean legitimate. 15 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 3: He says. He's always voted for Democrats, but this year 16 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 3: it will be different. 17 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 5: He'll vote Republican. 18 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: There is a reason the US government is so reliant 19 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 2: on him. 20 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 5: Alon Musk is a scam artist and he's done nothing. 21 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 3: Anything he does, he's fascinating people. Welcome to Elon, Inc, 22 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 3: Bloomberg's weekly podcast about Elon Musk. It's Friday, October eleventh. 23 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 3: I'm your host, David Papadopolis. We are here with the 24 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 3: special episode because, as you just heard elon unveiled last 25 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 3: night the Cyber Cab, I am joined by Craig Trudell, 26 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 3: our Global Autos czar in London. Craig, welcome, Thanks for 27 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 3: having me. Now, Craig, I slept through this thing. You 28 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 3: got up stupid or earlier on. I mean, the Bloomberg 29 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 3: system tells me that you badged in at two twenty 30 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 3: two am. God bless you. How many cups of coffee 31 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 3: are you on at this point? And have there been 32 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 3: any drugs involved to keep you going? 33 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 4: No? 34 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: No ketamine for me. Just a couple of americanos will do. 35 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: And I'm hanging in. 36 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, excellent. So in addition to getting the breakdown 37 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 3: from Craig, we're also going to hear from our old 38 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 3: pals Max and Dana, who have sent us audio clips 39 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 3: with their impressions of how this went last night. But Craig, 40 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 3: let's start with just give us a sense of for 41 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 3: all the folks like me out there who slept through 42 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 3: this thing. What are the top lines here? 43 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 1: Well, I think that clip that we just played off 44 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: the top was instructive in that you know, the folks 45 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 1: in the room definitely there was a lot of oohing 46 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: and out eyeing and cheering at what Elon had to say, 47 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: and you know, I give give him credit. You know, 48 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: the cyber cab that he showed, it's a slick looking, 49 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: you know, two seater. They showed a Robovan or reboven 50 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: depending on how Elon was deciding to pronounce it, that 51 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: you know, also also looked cool, you know, But in 52 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: terms of when these are actually going to be ready, 53 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: how many they're going to make, any sort of technical 54 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: indications of real progress here and sort of hard and 55 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 1: fast details, there was nothing we got through his presentation, 56 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: and honestly, my reaction to it was was was that 57 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: it that's all. That's all we. 58 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 3: Got, Craig. How long did the presentation go on for, I. 59 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: Think from beginning to end it was roughly forty minutes, 60 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: But that included a little intro by the head of 61 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: design for Tesla, and so it wasn't entirely Elon, and 62 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: there were some interruptions of you know, people getting excited 63 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: about what he had to say. So you know, this 64 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: also included you know, sort of demos of the car 65 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: and the van driving around the Warner Brothers lot, which 66 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: you know, as Max said, earlier this week. We've seen 67 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: demos now year after year after year. You know, I 68 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: feel like we've seen fewer of them more recently because 69 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: the rest of the world has sort of woken up 70 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: to just how difficult it's going to be to put 71 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: these things on the road. But Elon is really sticking 72 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: to it, and not only that, sort of betting the 73 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: company on it. 74 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 3: Right, he said, I believe that he's aspiration and this 75 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 3: wouldn't be now for the Robotaxi itself, this would be 76 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 3: for their other for the current fleet and with its 77 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 3: autonomous capabilities, he's hoping to have them greenlit to to 78 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 3: operate autonomously. I believe in the cities in California and Texas. 79 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 4: Is that right? Yeah? 80 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: And we heard that in the clip off the top. 81 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I think for him to refer to I 82 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: guess I also just want to kind of parse what 83 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: he's saying there. He's saying unsupervised full self driving. I 84 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: would think that full self driving would indicate not needing 85 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: to be supervised. But I guess that's where we are 86 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: after you know, Tesla having sold these features as you know, 87 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: fully self driving when they are anything but four years now. 88 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 4: So you know. 89 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: I think that just speaks to this idea of when 90 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: he when he gives these timelines, you have to take 91 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 1: them with a great big grain of salt. 92 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 3: But the top lines are apparently perhaps under thirty thousand 93 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 3: dollars this thing shall cost in production by twenty twenty six, 94 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 3: and maybe no steering wheel, no pedals on this thing. 95 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 3: Let's listen for a second to Dana Dana Hall's take 96 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 3: on this. 97 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 5: When I heard the phrase individual mass transit, I kind 98 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 5: of flipped out. The event was interesting. We saw the Robojaxi, 99 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 5: we saw a robo van, we saw optimists serving drinks. 100 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 5: But as like an event, I don't know. I underwhelmed. 101 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 5: I think the expectations for this were really high. I'm 102 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 5: sure it was a super fun party for people that 103 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 5: were there, but I just just didn't do it for me. 104 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: There. 105 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 5: It was light on the details, light on the business model, 106 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,239 Speaker 5: timeframe is still ways off. 107 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 3: Optimism of serving drinks crag. That seems kind of cool, 108 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:24,679 Speaker 3: all right, but so Dana says, light on details. Wall 109 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 3: Street very much agrees with that. At one bank, the analysts, 110 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 3: I think it was Jeffries, they said Musk's Robotaxi was 111 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 3: quote toothless. I'm not exactly sure we wanted this thing 112 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 3: to have teeth, but I get the point. Craig Dana 113 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 3: is correct. Expectations were high, and there was a lot 114 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 3: riding on this because the stock had soared in the 115 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 3: run up to this event, maybe more than fifty percent. 116 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: I believe now almost seventy percent. 117 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 3: Seventy percent. It's down a good chunk. We are recording, 118 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 3: to be clear, before the market opens on Wall Street. 119 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 3: But in pre market trading, it's good. It's down a 120 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 3: good amount. 121 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 4: Is it not. 122 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was down as much as as almost seven 123 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: percent before the before the market open, so I think, 124 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: you know, you refer to the Jeffreys report that those 125 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: particular analysts cover Uber and Lyft, and I thought it 126 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: was very interesting that you saw analysts sort of come 127 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: out of the woodwork who cover those companies and say, 128 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: all right, guys, you know, sort of all clear here. 129 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: It speaks to the idea that, you know, not only 130 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: are our folks who cover Tesla for a living sort 131 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: of walking away from this event with without you know, 132 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: much in the way of of sort of high hopes, 133 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: but analysts who cover the ride hailing companies also you know, 134 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: we're really closely watching this because they were concerned that, 135 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: you know, after Musk talking about this year after year 136 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: after year, maybe now is finally going to be the 137 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: time that that he's ready to launch a service that 138 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: would compete with the uber and lifts of the world. 139 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: And you know, I don't think that anybody sort of 140 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: you know, had a takeaway from last night that you know, 141 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: what those companies need to worry about this. 142 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 3: I guess the glass half full take on this would be, well, 143 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 3: this is the initial market reaction. They're not in love 144 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 3: with it with all the details and what they saw, 145 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 3: but heck, after a seventy percent pop in the stock, 146 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 3: if you give back seven percent, that ain't too bad. 147 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 3: We shall see how it trades the rest of the 148 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 3: day and in coming days and see if these concerns 149 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 3: that we're seeing this morning keep building or if they're 150 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 3: just a temporary blip. Let's also listen to our man 151 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 3: Max Chafkin and get his take. 152 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 4: I just watched the cyber Cab unveiling. Now I got 153 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 4: a caveat this. I was in the back of a 154 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 4: taxi watching it on a small screen, coming home from 155 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 4: a event I'd had maybe a glass and a half 156 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 4: of wine, so you know, caveats there. But I have 157 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 4: to say it was not I don't think it was 158 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 4: the best case scenario for Elon. We talked about it 159 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 4: being on a sound stage. It looked like a sound stage. 160 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,119 Speaker 4: There were like what looked like sort of plywood cutouts 161 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 4: of vehicles to make it look like a real street. 162 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 4: It looked like a staged thing, and the entire event 163 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 4: was sort of about looking forward and you know, sketching 164 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 4: out this glorious future that Elon has talked about many 165 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 4: times and how much cheaper it's going to be when 166 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 4: you have robots, and how many more parking spaces they'll be, 167 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 4: and how much more green space they'll be. And it 168 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 4: really was the kind of standard futurist stuff that we 169 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 4: have been hearing from autonomous vehicle pioneers for fifteen years, 170 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 4: and there was very little in specifics. Now, I will 171 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 4: say the cyber cab itself is pretty striking. They had 172 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 4: I think twenty of them there, so it's definitely a 173 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 4: long way from as market, and you know, it looks cool, 174 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 4: it looks futuristic. I just am not sure it's a 175 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 4: future that is anywhere near for us. And and and 176 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 4: you know, I almost almost tempted to say not in 177 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 4: our lifetimes. 178 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 3: I have to say I do agree with Max and 179 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 3: with you Craig, that, uh, this thing looks pretty badass, 180 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 3: right for a guy who's got a current fleet that 181 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 3: looks a little stale and stayed and old. This thing 182 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:41,479 Speaker 3: pops visually. 183 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: I think it does. And and I just would again, 184 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 1: you know, not not to be this sort of Debbie downer, 185 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: but you know, Elon is fond of saying prototypes are easy. 186 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: Production is hard, and I think that that's a really 187 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: apt thing here that like, you know, he he built 188 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: a very eat prototype here. I think the Robovan prototype 189 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: is cool. It reminds me a lot of the Crew's origin, 190 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: which was a bit smaller of a sort of bread 191 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: loaf shaped vehicle that debuted years ago. But again, just 192 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: to sort of go back to sort of throwing a 193 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: bit of cold water on things here, GM a few 194 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: months back decided to scrap plans to to you know, 195 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: make that cruise origin because of federal motor safety standards 196 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: that that you know, they had petitioned for exemptions to 197 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: those rules, and for years that petition went you know, 198 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: unacted upon, and so I just have a strong suspicion that, 199 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: you know, we're going to end up talking maybe a 200 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: year or two from now about Elon taking you know, 201 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: either one of these vehicles to Nitsa and not being 202 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: happy about them, just sort of giving their instant blessing 203 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: for these being actually ready for the road. 204 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 3: Craig, any final thoughts from you, sir before we let 205 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 3: you go and crash to sleep. 206 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 4: Yeah. 207 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: I think this this event sort of, you know, sums 208 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 1: up exactly why Elon is such a polarizing character, because 209 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: on one hand, you can see in this this is 210 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: this is the visionary who dares to think it's you know, 211 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: possibly feasible to you know, shoot off rockets and land 212 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: them back on bard ships in the ocean. He's gonna, 213 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: you know, do it all again and completely revolutionize you know, 214 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: road transport. I think what we've just learned over the 215 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: last decade or so, and and this gets back to, 216 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: you know, what Max was saying is it may be 217 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: more difficult to put a safe self driving car on 218 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: the road than to to land rocket ships back here 219 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: on Earth after shooting them off into space. And it 220 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: just speaks to this sort of you know, level of 221 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: technical challenge and capability that is going to be required 222 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: for these autonomous vehicles to be acceptable to society. 223 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 3: Very good point, and it reminds me of something somewhat related, 224 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 3: which is watching him on stage there after having just 225 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 3: seen him on stage with Trump and Butler, Pennsylvania. I 226 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 3: will say this, he was much more in his element 227 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 3: here right, Like you know, you had to like the 228 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 3: slick leather jacket going. He was kind of right. He 229 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 3: just seemed cool and confident and and like I said, 230 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 3: in his element, whereas I don't think he knew what 231 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 3: the hell to do when he was on stage in Butler, Pennsylvania. Craig, 232 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 3: thanks for joining us. Go get some sleep. We'll have 233 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 3: you back on again soon. 234 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: Thanks guys. 235 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 3: This episode was produced by Stacy Wong. Nailmi Shaven and 236 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 3: Rayhan Harmanci are our senior editors. The idea for this 237 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 3: very show also came from Rayhan Blake Maple's Handles Engineering 238 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 3: and Dave Purcell fact checks. 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