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Speaker 1: I didn't listen to frank Ocean Blonde album in a while,

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Speaker 1: and on the outro, Frank said one of the sickest

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Speaker 1: bars I've ever heard of mine, sire like it made

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Speaker 1: me the blondel his last one. Okay, he said on

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Speaker 1: his outro, I don't funk bitches anymore, but your bitch

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Speaker 1: my exception, get out of my four door. Can we

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Speaker 1: talk about how sick that shi it is? Imagine a

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Speaker 1: gay or bisexual guy coming up to you and saying, Yo,

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Speaker 1: I don't funk bitches, but I'm a funk.

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Speaker 2: Yours and now get out. Why was it that?

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Speaker 1: Now come get your chicked out.

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Speaker 3: I like that though, because it's kind of like it's

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Speaker 3: letting you know, like I really don't like your girl,

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Speaker 3: but I just know I can, and I dislike you

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Speaker 3: that much that I'm like a gay man is going

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Speaker 3: to take your g He said it so tenderly.

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Speaker 1: I was like, he definitely made love to her too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. It wasn't aggressive to.

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Speaker 1: No, No, he took care of my so listen, man,

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Speaker 1: he talked to her and ran his fingers through her hair. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would have I would have been sick, but that's

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Speaker 1: the that's the skill of an R and B fucking

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Speaker 3: Yeah. It was like they go, like that's the old

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Speaker 3: R and B though, like this new R and B

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Speaker 3: ship is like too aggressive.

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Speaker 1: Saying he doesn't fuck other people.

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Speaker 2: No, no, I'm agreeing that, Like I definitely don't.

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Speaker 1: Right here, I'm aware she already threatened already.

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Speaker 3: She's not playing with you.

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Speaker 1: He was a virgin when he met.

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Speaker 2: You, exactly.

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Speaker 3: Since you guys got like, listen, is it being in

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Speaker 3: a relationship as an R and B? Okay, first of all,

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Speaker 3: do you classify yourself as an R and B artist

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Speaker 3: or you're just an artist?

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Speaker 2: I feel like I sound cocking I say it, but

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Speaker 2: who cares. I'm a real artist, I don't know, like,

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Speaker 2: and I'm a real creative, I'll say, because I didn't

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Speaker 2: the game being a songwriter. So okay, I don't really

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Speaker 2: consider myself any genre. I feel like I just a

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Speaker 2: Stevie Wonder is one of my favorites. He's not really

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Speaker 2: a genre because he's black. He's in a genre, but

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Speaker 2: if he was anybody else, he'd just be great.

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Speaker 3: Because he was signed to Moldtown.

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Speaker 2: You get it.

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Speaker 1: But then what because because Maud asked a question when

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Speaker 1: we were off Mike, what make can an R and

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Speaker 3: It can, and it has and it has happened.

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Speaker 2: But it's it's key things that make something popular. And

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Speaker 2: I think pop is just a general word for popular.

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Speaker 2: Obviously we know, but sonically, historically, like music lives within everybody.

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Speaker 2: So that's why when you hear certain stuff, you might

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Speaker 2: never heard a song that sounded like you, but your

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Speaker 2: grandpop did. Yeah, your dad did. So it's like certain

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Speaker 1: But I think like with more like nerdy music people,

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Speaker 1: notes of what, oh that's a pop structure record, it

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Speaker 1: sounds like a pop record. And while that never really

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Speaker 1: playlist based, So you do have to classify what your

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Speaker 1: to get it to. Because dude, you just talked about Blonde.

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Speaker 1: Blond is labeled to pop album on Apple Music right now.

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Speaker 2: Now, though I don't know the history of when it

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Speaker 2: you got to kind of prove yourself, typically as a

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Speaker 1: But even then it was like, all right, we were

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Speaker 1: talking about fifty earlier. Let's not even make it R

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Speaker 2: Nothing mass relatability though, because.

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Speaker 1: Like name one pop record on Blonde, Well, I don't agree.

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Speaker 2: I think it's just good. But see it can be

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Speaker 2: It's a difference. Now, mind you, I make music. I

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Speaker 2: I didn't always know his music, but when I found

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Speaker 2: it just doesn't. Like my little sister don't listen to

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Speaker 1: But do you think that's as someone that approaches things

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Speaker 1: Like this is a pop artist because he's been on

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Speaker 2: That's a great question, bro. Honestly, I've been confused because

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Speaker 2: I never felt like I was making traditional R and B.

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Speaker 2: Like nobody ever said that to me until it was out, Like, so,

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Speaker 2: I never think I'm thinking like R and B. All right, cool,

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Speaker 2: that's what I'm gonna put me in. I know I'm starting.

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Speaker 2: I'm like obviously, Like literally, an older black lady walked

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Speaker 2: almost like how my grandma would be. I thought you

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Speaker 2: She literally said. She hugged me. She said, I love

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Speaker 2: and like the song because it's not typical. Certain things

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Speaker 2: be honest. Not everybody outside of this room. Yeah, No,

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Speaker 2: we are programmed to think of everybody certain way. Unless

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Speaker 2: don't completely disagree with stereotypes, because prejudice is a part

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Speaker 2: You might say that, though, because I feel like I

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Speaker 2: the internet already. So with no label, know nothing, pink

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Speaker 2: Switz is making bags off of R and B. Nobody's

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Speaker 2: getting independent money at that time, maybe Daie Caesar and

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Speaker 2: like Brent Fires. That's like three people. I just jumped

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Speaker 2: that says your cap is here. Whereas in the same

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Speaker 2: but I see the benefits of like the system. Sure,

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Speaker 2: and when your power that literally take the word away,

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Speaker 2: your bag is different, like period, the bag, the pop

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Speaker 2: It's never comparable, like it's always like dang, Like you

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Speaker 2: we don't need to hear that. So that's why rap

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Speaker 2: it is not really international like that. It's very regional. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's like fifty cents hot in America, and he's one

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Speaker 2: you got Germany rap. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess.

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Speaker 2: So the bag, that's what changes the game.

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Speaker 3: The bag, your pop bag.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of white artists are able to be

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Speaker 1: I know I won't say no names because I know

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Speaker 1: it's your man, but Justin has has maximized his life

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Speaker 2: I'm not even defending him because I know him. I

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Speaker 2: of where I'm sitting. Yeah, they know that they grew

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Speaker 2: up on R and B. They think that it's cool,

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Speaker 2: they want to do it, but simultaneously, the industry is

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Speaker 2: constantly pushing them, Oh that's for them, you don't need

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Speaker 2: to do that. This is where the money is.

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not particularly attacking Justin personally, you see,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying Justin is the one that concocted an

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, I'm just saying forever. But those white people, though,

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Speaker 3: they adore the cultural things that we create. As far

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Speaker 3: as black people, it's like, yo, rap is edgy, it's different,

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Speaker 3: it's rebel.

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Speaker 2: It's like, oh man, but you don't really want to

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Speaker 2: be about that though, And to me, that's the problem

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Speaker 2: when it's like you're championing something that possibly is influencing

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Speaker 2: the kids who look like that person. When you're in

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Speaker 2: your suburban, safe neighborhood talking about he's not that gangster.

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Speaker 2: Those are the people are saying, who are you talking about?

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Speaker 3: Like, I mean, but all of this comes from black culture, right,

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Speaker 3: music is a black.

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Speaker 2: The creation I feel like because there's actually a study

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Speaker 2: because I guess the idea is that if you don't

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Speaker 2: way out of? That's why a lot of people be like, oh,

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Speaker 2: he's a poser, Like we see some like rich white

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Speaker 2: it because like, you ain't been through nothing, what do

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Speaker 2: But think about it. Culturally, people don't They don't realize, like, yo,

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Speaker 3: It's almost impossible, I think for rappers to be successful

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Speaker 1: Every sample that we love on every rap record right

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Speaker 2: Water nineties out I'm tired of. Yeah, shout out to

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Speaker 1: No, listen, I can't say that ship.

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Speaker 3: But you understand why.

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Speaker 1: It's just the same beat.

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Speaker 3: But it's probably the best era of music wise, the nineties,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. I think that's subjective. You can make

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Speaker 3: It ain't the early two thousands.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about the greatest era. I think it

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Speaker 1: Like the eighties is probably the most taken from. Right

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Speaker 2: And gospel because a lot of people didn't grow up

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Speaker 2: Like I even kind of do that sometimes where it's

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Speaker 2: like when you singing and like riffing and stuff that's

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Speaker 2: because gospel not really a job when you get into it,

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Speaker 2: it's everything. Like they got gospel songs that sound like

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Speaker 2: It's everything, And I feel like that's what.

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Speaker 3: Because God is everywhere. Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he just dropped them bar He did it like

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Speaker 2: he meditated this morning too.

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Speaker 3: All the time they.

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Speaker 1: Look look at your neighbor.

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Speaker 3: That was always awful everything niggas looking at him in

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Speaker 1: At least in white churches. We we had to shake hands.

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Speaker 2: That was pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Well that was the least hand with your handshakeers like,

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Speaker 1: oh thank God, so consensual ship above the waist. But

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Speaker 1: the first speaking of gospel ship, the first time I

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Speaker 1: part of your live show. You go from singing to

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Speaker 1: He really wants to let the Lord should let him go.

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Speaker 2: My brother used to hate that. My brother played keys

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Speaker 3: We want to get off, he really can't.

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Speaker 2: That's like a church thing, like always son and the

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Speaker 1: And he like, was you, uh, we are a nervous

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Speaker 2: Nah? Like what I would do is I always try

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Speaker 2: I wanted to add people up.

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Speaker 1: Pastors like the Lord is telling me there's twenty more

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Speaker 2: You're pink more twenty dollars and fifty cents to.

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Speaker 1: Be I was, You're not how sick that was because

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Speaker 2: Of course we do, don't you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we just put it in a hanvelope. No, they

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Speaker 3: Like making sure they get over.

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Speaker 2: Black churches do this thing. You be like, yo, let

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Speaker 3: You know how crazy it is? Can I get some change? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Church? Lordy in your head like let me get.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's going his own pocket to get what

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Speaker 1: My church used to send they would mail envelopes like

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Speaker 1: Everyone's gonna see. I'm not hiding this in this envelope.

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Speaker 2: No, no, you can't a social thing though, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean. You want to feel, oh for sure.

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Speaker 1: a while. And when I say when that pastor used

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Speaker 1: to say, the Lord is telling me there's another twenty thousand,

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Speaker 1: then mind you, I've been begging for nineteen years for

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Speaker 2: I'm beg.

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Speaker 1: Me while he's texting the Lord. Like the person in

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Speaker 3: Twenty dollars stuff for you for sure?

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Speaker 2: For sure? Yo, the way you just said that, I

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Speaker 1: I was in North New Jersey, Like, what the fuck?

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Speaker 1: Talk to me, Lord, I'm next to them.

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Speaker 2: I can relate though, ain't gonna lie when they talking

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00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 2: about money, I'm like, God, they telling you I need

437
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 2: twenty dollars.

438
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 1: With your family super super religious?

439
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they deep, like they super deep, Like my

440
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 2: whole family's passed. You still go to church right now?

441
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,159
Speaker 2: I'm really not into church, not because of anything, but

442
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 2: just because my lifestyle for everything. Fine, No, no, I

443
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,920
Speaker 2: actually just seen my pastor yesterday. I wasn't my cousin's

444
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 2: basketball game. Like, I'm still cool with people, but it's

445
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,120
Speaker 2: like just scheduleised. I like to kind of be consistent

446
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 2: because nowadays the way church is kind of like school,

447
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,160
Speaker 2: little key man, they'd be like, all right, this this month.

448
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 2: The message is about being a good person, So if

449
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 2: I missed one week, I'm like catch up, especially when

450
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 2: you're being a shitty person.

451
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,400
Speaker 3: So looking at your style and listen to your music.

452
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 3: It was one artist that I always think about. It's

453
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:14,640
Speaker 3: se Lo oh.

454
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 2: Se Lo to me, he popped because his his music

455
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 2: was massiveppeal to well. I mean when I say when

456
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 2: I was using the word pop, I mean just popular sound.

457
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 2: Like whatever he does, he's figured out a formula to

458
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 2: make it palatable in the perfect way.

459
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 1: Because naws bark. That's weird because Selo's hip hop and

460
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 1: danger Mouse to me is hip hop also blends in

461
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 1: a lot of genres, but it is a pop act

462
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,120
Speaker 1: to me. They make pop music.

463
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Selo is very good at like adapting, Like that's

464
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 2: something that I noticed with his career, Like at least

465
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 2: when I was like super fan, he was definitely good

466
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 2: at blenning. And I feel like that's a good sign

467
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 2: for artists to like know when you can be a

468
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 2: true creative doesn't have a box, and most people in

469
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 2: the industry are not as creative as people think they are.

470
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 2: They're just artists. And it's no dis to artists because

471
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 2: that's still an ecosystem there. But I think it needs

472
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 2: to be a special space for the raw creative people

473
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 2: who are like I'm a sponge, Like if I sit

474
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 2: with this person, I will absorb everything and I'll be

475
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 2: able to do that better than them. Like this, but

476
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 2: some people it's like algebra, Like I'm not, I don't

477
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 2: know algebra. I went to a hood school. Wen't learned

478
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 2: that it was fighting, So I missed that. You asked

479
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 2: me figure something out. In life, I'm gonna figure it out,

480
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 2: like I'm like, oh, how do I get from here

481
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 2: to here? I'm gonna figure it out because that's just

482
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 2: how my brain works. But with algebra, start.

483
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: Because that's more of a structure than it is a feeling.

484
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: And I think you're probably more passionate about music than

485
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: you are with solving for X. But no, a lot

486
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: of artists, a lot of artists are solving a lot. Listen,

487
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: I can't do my own taxes, but not to solve

488
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 1: for X, to do long division. A lot of artists

489
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: are just news and anchors. They're just good at delivering

490
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: shit like here you go, here's the script, here's the

491
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 1: video behind you. You look good and you can talk

492
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: really well, and you can deliver this sentence better than

493
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: the person that wrote it, So here you go. And

494
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: then they get all the credit as if this news

495
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: anchor is the leader of our country.

496
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 2: But it's just a person represents everybody.

497
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 3: But that's because weird. Now you almost you know it's

498
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 3: tough if you're an artist now that doesn't want to

499
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 3: chase the current sound and what's going on, if you

500
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 3: want to rebel and.

501
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: It seems easy to be I'm living.

502
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 3: No, I mean absolutely, I get what you mean. But

503
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 3: it's still like, you know, when artists come into game now,

504
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 3: they expect them to kind of just fall in line

505
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 3: and follow suit what's going on.

506
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:08,479
Speaker 2: I will I'll say the industry makes everything harder because

507
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 2: the industry is like, it's like we're just talking about algebra.

508
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 2: It's a system. So like being a creative person, you

509
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,360
Speaker 2: fight your whole life trying to like make your own way.

510
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 2: Then let's just say you get lucky by chance, you

511
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 2: make your own way. The world chooses you. Spotify says,

512
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 2: the numbers are saying people like you. Then you go

513
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 2: to a label and it's like, welcome to our system. Yeah,

514
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 2: we have a box for you now exactly, you're no

515
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 2: longer this free spirit. We're gonna box you up and

516
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 2: lock it and we'll visit you and tell you what

517
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: you should be doing.

518
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: It's weird and not cater it to you or tailor

519
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: it to you, like, hey, this system worked for Cardi B.

520
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: So it's definitely gonna work for pink sweats.

521
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 2: And it's like, wait, hold on, with different people, different scenarios.

522
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: You're just going off what's worked the best for you

523
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: in every single artist.

524
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 2: And I can't punch you in the face to be wrong.

525
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 2: To me, that's weird that you can't. Well, no, I'm

526
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 2: just saying, like in real life it's tough already, Like

527
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 2: the statistics on making it as an artist is crazy,

528
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 2: Like I think nobody should do this, like for real,

529
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 2: Like no, no, it's not about dreams. I think a

530
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 2: lot of artists, we one were not transparent. Like it's

531
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,719
Speaker 2: really hard, and I feel like for people, like if

532
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 2: you're watching this right now, if you question yourself to

533
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 2: an unhealthy level when you're always like asking people their opinions,

534
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 2: you probably ain't built for this because nine times out

535
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 2: of ten, by the time you get where you're going,

536
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: you you lost yourself, like somebody's running you. Like you

537
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 2: might start getting the money, but you'll never feel fulfilled,

538
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 2: which is what every creative wants. You want to fulfill

539
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 2: me now, money is dope, but like if I got

540
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 2: a billion dollars, yeah, I can literally be like, oh yeah,

541
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 2: I'm good. But I know what it feels like to

542
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 2: get money you never thought you would get and be like,

543
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 2: I'm not doing what I want to do. That that's

544
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: the point of having all. Yeah, I need that fulfillment.

545
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of people we we we

546
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 2: as like a society. Man. It's sad because everybody thinks

547
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: that music is their dream. And it's sad. Part it's

548
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: probably because of rap, because they see some kid tell

549
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 2: you on an interview thirty times, I'm not really no rapper.

550
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 2: I'm not no rapping, but you're rapping. I've been a

551
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 2: millionaire in the streets, all right, So why did you

552
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 2: start rapping? Why? Because to be an artist is low

553
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 2: key kind of like very vulnerable. You're gonna go up

554
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 2: there and people can possibly not like you. As a

555
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 2: street person, I would think you wouldn't want to do that.

556
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 2: I would That's what I'm a square. I barely sometimes

557
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 2: want to do it. So as a person who used

558
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 2: to apparently shooting people and getting away with crimes, I

559
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 2: don't think I could if I was in that life,

560
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 2: I don't think I could take rejections at that level,

561
00:27:58,440 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: So why do that?

562
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: I think the risk is actually probably across the board.

563
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: The same as far as criminals being successful and not

564
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: being harmed or going to jail, it's the same way,

565
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 1: and artists not becoming broke and mentally ill by the disappointment.

566
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: I think it's the same, the same.

567
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 2: But I think people in art like, man, this era

568
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 2: is crazy. People don't desire balance. They just want what

569
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 2: they want. Like I bro I made a lot of money,

570
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 2: and I still was playing drums at church. Yeah, because

571
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 2: I didn't even I wasn't realizing like I got bread.

572
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: I'm just showing up to whatever side jobs I was doing.

573
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: I was still doing them because in my head, I

574
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 2: just love creating. So as long as I can have

575
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 2: the balance, I'm surviving, like my soul is fulfilled everything.

576
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 2: But now everybody's just like, well, I don't want to

577
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: work a job because that's gonna kill my It's like,

578
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 2: so you want to be poor, you want to have

579
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 2: just go work at McDonald's. They paying like twenty dollars

580
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: an hour right now. I'm like, when they get to thirty,

581
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 2: I'm getting a job. Yeah, like I needed to sure and.

582
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: Things too, especially artists, well especially the fake artists that

583
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: just want to do it because it's profitable. They can't

584
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: be seen working at McDonald's when they're trying to front

585
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: like they're this person you gotta feeld.

586
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: But that's that builds creativity.

587
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: All of that stuff, Like, aren't creative the ones that

588
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: we're talking about, the ones that are just doing it

589
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: because it's the.

590
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 2: Bad yeah, which is no disk get your money. But

591
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: my thing is those people end up being the ones

592
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: who have the most influence a lot of times because

593
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 2: it looks fun. It's like, man, he said, he's not

594
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,479
Speaker 2: even the rapper. He a doing it like I do too.

595
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: That's moll and Hovee's fault, but that's that's his whole family.

596
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: How many of these artists now that you see it

597
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: just so happens, I know how to wrap.

598
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 2: It really was about his craft.

599
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: That was fine because Hope was at that time one

600
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: of the greatest rappers already.

601
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he was about it though, Like he wasn't

602
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: really trying to be in the streets no more. It's like, no,

603
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 2: I'm about to be the best at this, Like a

604
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: lot of people be just like they're not really trying

605
00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: to be the best river They just trying to get

606
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: the most money, which is if that's your mentality. That's dope.

607
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 2: But like I said, they end up being the most influential, yeah,

608
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 2: because the appeal is fired. Like even me, sometimes I'll

609
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 2: be like, dang, like I'm not really no singer. Like

610
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 2: if that's what it takes for people to be like

611
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 2: I can do that too, then I feel like I

612
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: should say that too.

613
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: Then I think that's kind of the yin and yang

614
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: with like flooding the block with bullshit, because you could

615
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: look at it this way. It becomes way harder when

616
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: everyone is trying to do the same thing to get

617
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: through the fucking mess. But if you're actually unique and different,

618
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: I feel like it kind of catapults you. Like listen,

619
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: whatever your actual opinion on Givon is.

620
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 3: That your opinion give you?

621
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: I feel like one, I think you can sing. I

622
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: like his voice. It's unique. But I also think that

623
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 2: we will never know how dope someone is really when

624
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 2: they've been co signed by the Great. We really don't know.

625
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: We don't know if we would have chose this voice

626
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: or this artist if we stumbled upon them. We don't know.

627
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 2: It's hard. It's hard to tell because I know I'm

628
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 2: I'm I'm brainwashed. If Drake said it, I'm gonna listen

629
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: to it, and I'm already keen to like it even

630
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 2: if I really don't.

631
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,479
Speaker 1: But a lot of times, and even with I think

632
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: the industry plant shit, and I'm not saying give you

633
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,239
Speaker 1: on is or is not? One gets misconstrued because why

634
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: I think, like, give you on musically, and I think

635
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: he would admit this too. Hasn't done anything unique, but

636
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: his voice and his writing is unique. So he stands

637
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: out amongst the people doing those same sense and those

638
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: same sad whisper R and B type of beats, and

639
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: he's not whispering on them. He has a unique voice.

640
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: He's saying something that we can relate to. So that's

641
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: to me why he shined so quickly was because he

642
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: was working in a c of artists that aren't really

643
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: artists trying to do the exact same sound. He just

644
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: did it better.

645
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: Like all that stuff you just said sounded really nice,

646
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: but you're skipping over Drake, like it's Drake. You think

647
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 2: give Youon?

648
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: Got the Drake stimulus plan in that regard, because I

649
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: don't think that everyone thought that was saying for everyone's like,

650
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: oh thank god Drake is back and it was a

651
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: Drake freestyle that he didn't even put much behind. It

652
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: was a great freestyle, a great record, and it was

653
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: a moment as any Drake song is.

654
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 2: But but if you think it's that crazy that he

655
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: already put on, you're already giving it a chance. I

656
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 2: think it's about attention in this business, because that's what

657
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 2: it really is. It's about attention. This is a big

658
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: ups to Drake and it's not a disc to give you,

659
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: but it's just a perspective. I think that genuinely, it's

660
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: easy to cultivate a listening audience when someone that big,

661
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: who has a record of stamping people, he stamps you.

662
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: So we really don't have a clear view of an artist.

663
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 2: We don't even know. We don't know.

664
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: That's that's where I actually completely disagree because there's more

665
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: pressure and but we just totally understand. I can totally

666
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: understand because I'm similar to you in career. WHI of like,

667
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: maybe you don't get the crazy cos on you literally

668
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: have to do everything on your own to get through.

669
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: You didn't know nobody, You had to do the ship

670
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: on your own. And then you see someone get a

671
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: look by the biggest artists in the world and you're like,

672
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: all right, man, like that's who definitely what to look

673
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: from exactly. But we've seen what's what's going up on

674
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: the tuesdays, what's And I don't I don't want to

675
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: ship on a cone or anything, but I do want

676
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: to make the example that people have gotten the Drake

677
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: stimulus plan on a huge record but could not follow up,

678
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: so it did not matter.

679
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

680
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying. So yes, Migo's got the

681
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: VERSACEI look, granted, Migos was popping in a certain other

682
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: but they got the Versace stimulus. Planet went crazy. But

683
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: then they had fight night, and then they had but

684
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: after that to heartbreak anniversary was like, you can't say

685
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: after that.

686
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 2: Because that was kind of in the same window. He

687
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 2: was just prepared. Shout out to him, because when you

688
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 2: when you're not prepared for your opportunity, you miss it.

689
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 2: He was prepared, and if he wasn't, he got prepared

690
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: real fast, and that catapults the situation. And I think

691
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 2: that we really don't know. And that's what any artist,

692
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 2: that's me, that's anybody. I've even looked at myself like that.

693
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 2: I had honesty, that's one song. I'm like, like Drake,

694
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 2: say do it again? Then I had a bigger song,

695
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 2: So I'm on. I'm just trying to keep leveling up.

696
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 2: But mind you, I don't have that co sign Yeah,

697
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 2: and honestly, I don't think it would make sense for

698
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: how I write. The munities got make so that's it's

699
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 2: a whole thing there. But when it comes to R

700
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 2: and B, I think the biggest win and disadvantage is

701
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 2: that it seems as though to get to a giveon

702
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 2: level is that someone that's not a singer has to

703
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 2: co signing.

704
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 1: That's weird to me, but R and B co signs

705
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: aren't really a thing. Do you think why though this

706
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: should be I shouldn't. I should be staying anybody.

707
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, Like when you look at rap

708
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: shout out to like even though I make jokes and

709
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 2: like I say, like everybody's a gangster, Like I'm not

710
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 2: no gangster. I don't prescribe to that. I don't really

711
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 2: listen to that kind of music, but when I do,

712
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 2: it's turn up time, it's lit. But I also am

713
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 2: aware that it's kids from where I'm from who think,

714
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: just like how I was thinking the person you see

715
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 2: right here, I wanted to be a shooter, Like I

716
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 2: held my first go when I was five. Somebody, some

717
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 2: stupid dude came on the block showing off his gun.

718
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 2: Look at this, and it's like I should have been.

719
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: But I'm saying, like the environment you're in k can

720
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 2: like drastically affect your mentality. So when I was that young,

721
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 2: I think about kids like that because I made it out.

722
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: A lot of kids not gonna make it out, so

723
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 2: they gonna hear this rap stuff and subconsciously is telling them, well,

724
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 2: if he did it, I can do it. So all

725
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 2: I gotta do is sell drugs because I gotta get validity.

726
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 2: I don't want people to think I'm not cool, So

727
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 2: even if I'm not hard, I got at least pretend

728
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: for some point to get the validity and then follow

729
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: that track. So with R and B back to that point,

730
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 2: what I think is you can co sign anybody as

731
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: long as you got some sort of platform. I feel

732
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 2: like it's your duty at this phase in the game.

733
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 2: You gotta do it. Like the rappers are just running

734
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 2: circles around won everybody, even the pop artists. They run

735
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 2: in circle because when they come on this my young bull,

736
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 2: this my little brother. They don't even matter how good

737
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 2: that person is. They don't care. They standing next to

738
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 2: that person so that they can create an economy in

739
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,919
Speaker 2: their system. And then you get to ten years later,

740
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,240
Speaker 2: you got whole squads, you got young thug, you got Gunna,

741
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 2: you got people like little Baby Migo, everybody just yo.

742
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: When you put out an album, we promote I don't

743
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 2: care if you signed to me, I don't you. My

744
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 2: man's were from the same city, same area, whatever their

745
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: connection is. R and B ain't like that when I

746
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 2: dropped my project just recently give in and post it

747
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 2: coleading post it, uh like Brent fires I. I don't

748
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 2: know these people. And now I'm not saying they should.

749
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 2: I'm just saying the energy is different. It's so different.

750
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 2: It's like, I don't have to listen to Brent Faire's music,

751
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 2: even though I do. If he's R and B. At

752
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: the point where I'm at in my mind, I'm posting you, bro,

753
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: I don't care if as long as I know the

754
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: project came out. If I don't know, I don't know.

755
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: And maybe that could be the case for a lot

756
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: of people. But we don't support each other. And like

757
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 2: I was talking to somebody he's a OG and he

758
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: was like, what y'all scared? Yo? Somebody about to take

759
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: y'all bitches or something like why y'all don't collab and

760
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 2: why y'all like everybody at cool in R and B,

761
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: but most people ain't cool, Like I'm really just me?

762
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: Can I give you an outside perspective? So someone that's

763
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: hung out with rappers and R and B artists, I

764
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: know my igi thought, but as someone that's hung out

765
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: with both for a while, Rappers are social creatures. Rappers

766
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 1: are phony, Rappers are opportunists. Real R and B artists

767
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: like the people that you just named. And I mean

768
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 1: this as a compliment, y'all are fucking weirdos. Y'all stick

769
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: to y'allselves. Y'all have no interest in other people within

770
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: your inner circle. You do not care to go out.

771
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: Your music doesn't play the way rap does in those

772
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: social circles where y'all are all trying it and not him.

773
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, RBRS fuck a bunch of chicks,

774
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: like like, that's where rappers hang, and that's where that camaraderie,

775
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: that fake camaraderie starts, and it's much easier for a

776
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: rapper to email someone with a blank sixteen and be like,

777
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: y'll put on this and now we're friends. You are

778
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: not saying with a blank sixteen, Brent put a verse

779
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: on this, No, y'all need to get together. I know you,

780
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 1: but I'm saying, y' I know O y'all y'all would

781
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: have to get in the studio. And you guys both

782
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: are creative geniuses in your own right. And it's way

783
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: different than saying, yo, gonna, I need a verse from

784
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: you and I can.

785
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 2: I could d m you on ig.

786
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: I mean about it as different genres, as far as

787
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: sociability goes, if that's even work that.

788
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 2: You just you just brought me to a point that

789
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 2: I kind of always talk about behind the scenes where

790
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: it's like a lot of R and B people they

791
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 2: too creative, they not thinking about the bag. It's like,

792
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: of course, at the end of the day, if you're

793
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 2: real creative, if you haven't been through the struggle, you

794
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 2: don't prove to the society, to the world, to yourself,

795
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: to God whatever. I really love this music, so you

796
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: don't have to prove that to nobody. No more. You

797
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: need a secure your bag because you made a bad

798
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: decision by jumping into the music industry.

799
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 3: There is no.

800
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

801
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: You need health, you need no health.

802
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, no health insurance unless you're an actor like I am.

803
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 2: And you get sad. But it's like you gotta break

804
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 2: out of that BS mentality because one you stay in

805
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 2: the island. The one funny I learned recently, not like

806
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: forever all my life, but like the last four years

807
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 2: I travel. When you go to islands, you talk to people,

808
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 2: you realize, damn, this is the beautiful than the motherfucker. Yeah,

809
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 2: but let that ship not come in, that big ship

810
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 2: that's bringing all the food and everything festival, it get different,

811
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So when you create yourself

812
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 2: on the island, which a lot of R and B

813
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 2: guys do, then what happens when that ship stopped coming,

814
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 2: when that label check stopped coming? When at whatever system,

815
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: Because most are most RMB artists that are successful at

816
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 2: that level making millions signed, you probably got a couple

817
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: that aren't and they really doing well, like shout out

818
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 2: to bread fires, he's empty. But it's like when that

819
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: ship stops then you want to come, yo, bro, let's work. No,

820
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 2: I won't work with you now, you're not it, you're

821
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: not hot.

822
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: But y'all seek out, and I think it's a good thing.

823
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: Seek out producers and musicians behind the scenes more than

824
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: you do acts. Like of course we do like the duet,

825
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: and of course we do like when R and B

826
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: artists collaborate, but too much of that would be weird

827
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,439
Speaker 1: in R and B, like like, for example, Meek's last album,

828
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: and I always say good things about me as far

829
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: as he always fucks with the young kids, right, He's

830
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: always dope with that, so his albums are full of

831
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: young kids, which is great if you fuck with me.

832
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 3: I don't know.

833
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 2: I live in North Philly.

834
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 3: Growing up.

835
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 2: I'm not a street. That's what I'm saying.

836
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 3: You ain't got to be a street, but you grew

837
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 3: up on the same Like.

838
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 2: This's the thing about this is the thing that people

839
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: I understand, most people in anyhood are not involved in

840
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 2: those ship like most people was like me, you probably

841
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 2: aspired in at one point and this it ain't for me.

842
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 2: I'll figure something else out. So that's why I like,

843
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 2: I don't know me. We don't know nobody didn't know

844
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 2: each other because none of my people was in the street.

845
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 2: We all nerd niggas like we like music, somebody like math,

846
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 2: like we don't know. So like, if I see him,

847
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 2: he probably would feel uncomfortable. He'd be like, you know

848
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 2: this thigga like a narc, Like if I.

849
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 1: Do some wearing a yellow and pink pants.

850
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: But listen, you gotta think I'm my age record his age.

851
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 3: Yes, if you walked up to me and needed something, Yeah,

852
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 3: I'm not thinking if con is dressing like this, they

853
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 3: got it bro.

854
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying like he looked.

855
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 3: To everybody.

856
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 2: I feel like whenever I was around street dudes, it

857
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: usually was in a studio setting. They was comfortable with me.

858
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 2: But it's just communication is different because we don't really

859
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 2: speak the same language. Like we're saying the same words,

860
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 2: but it's like whatever you're saying, I don't know if

861
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 2: we're on the same page.

862
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 3: But I just I would think that being from Philly

863
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 3: and uh, you know, being an artist, being a creative,

864
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 3: because creative speak the same language.

865
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: No matter what, I don't know if he's a creative,

866
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: I don't know him. That's what I'm saying. I don't

867
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 2: I actually don't know him. I would like to know him.

868
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 2: I think he's like in Philly. He's probably it's only

869
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 2: like three popping artists in Philly on the rep scene,

870
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 2: so he's one of them, you know what I'm saying.

871
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: So it's like I would like to know him. He

872
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 2: has a lot of influence on the youth and stuff

873
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: like that. People don't even know I'm for Philly because

874
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 2: I don't give a Philly persona other So yeah, but

875
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like when I'm in Philly, people literally be

876
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: like Philly. I'm like, yeah, because nobody would expect that.

877
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 2: And like I know like P and b Rock. I

878
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 2: know P and b Rock because they used to be

879
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 2: wilding on the block that I used to work on,

880
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 2: So it's like we had a Now I say wild,

881
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: you could interpret wild however you are.

882
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: I'm from the hood.

883
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 3: To it.

884
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 2: I'm paying. But I definitely know him, you know what

885
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 2: I'm saying. We've worked together and you know we I've

886
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 2: kind of seen his come up, so you just to

887
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 2: your yeah, I'm not involved in nothing, you know what

888
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

889
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 1: That was such a New York perspective of other cities

890
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: that you just think every city is so small that like, oh,

891
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: they probably grew up on the same street.

892
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 2: I lived in North North Philly, small broth.

893
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 3: I should technically know people that know him or because

894
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 3: you know, coming up and if maybe like one of

895
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 3: my old heads probably know. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

896
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 3: Somebody that makes it out of the hoods like yeah,

897
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 3: but you know he doing that thing like your record,

898
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 3: like you're both lit, Like.

899
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: I think you will make great music together, make a

900
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: crazy record, especially said like that would be fire in

901
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: for the city.

902
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I know he always criminal reform, and it's

903
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: like I've been a criminal, so it's kind of like

904
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 2: if we linked together, he's.

905
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: A criminal, your reform, it's perfect.

906
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 2: You gotta be here.

907
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 3: You had to have been a criminal to be I'm

908
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 3: just saying the look of it is like you would

909
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 3: it like publicly, you see two sides, Like I know,

910
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 3: I actually know a lot more rich white people that

911
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 3: he knows that than black people, Like I don't know

912
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 3: anybody from my hood that we know each other, but

913
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 3: I know, like I know, like I just think it

914
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 3: works because it gives Philly that look. It's like you

915
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 3: can point, yeah, you can still be from the same

916
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 3: neighborhood and.

917
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: Exactly putting a card again Philly as much as we

918
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: from Italy always champion it as like as like the

919
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: rapper Rapper city, Philly is an R and B as city,

920
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: R and B as city, absolute gambling health.

921
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: Shout out to them they've.

922
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: Been Yeah, have you met Joe Scott yet?

923
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 2: I did one time, but I was not notable. She

924
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 2: looks beautiful in real life, Like I don't. I don't

925
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 2: see her on the internet, but I was saying like

926
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 2: I was definitely like, oh wow, this is what stars

927
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 2: look like. They got different skin Crantines.

928
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 1: Money, money will keep you looking great?

929
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, like what do you use?

930
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: And even like I mean, despite everything on the internet

931
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: the past two years, Jaguar right, incredible singer from Philly,

932
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: Like Philly has a lot of R and B roots

933
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: that what would you just say, Jaguar Jaguar.

934
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 2: Right, I'm not familiar honestly.

935
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: More hired her to sing song cry on the Unplugged

936
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: You kind of stop throwing.

937
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 2: He's just funny to you like that.

938
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 1: Is big of course, pill for sure.

939
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know that.

940
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: Never worked with her, not yet.

941
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: Did your girl keep you off hotels?

942
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: What's that? Yeah, I was like, what's that he said?

943
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 2: He can't hear that. Our musical brands don't a line

944
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 2: for sure? You think so, I don't know, like not

945
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 2: content wise, okay, like voice wise, she's way above me.

946
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a jazz mus incredible, But with Jasmine,

947
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: that's gonna be kind of any feature For the most part,

948
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:57,439
Speaker 1: she does.

949
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 2: Features though, That's what I'm saying, how many feature saying

950
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 2: she really done? Well?

951
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: Already definitely kept up with her on hotels who else

952
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: was on?

953
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: But I'm saying like she don't really do features like

954
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: for other people.

955
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 3: She got a record with Ross right now, that's one.

956
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 2: Let's keep going. What's the number one?

957
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: She did Wiley's first album too in two thousand and nine.

958
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Like, she's a very purest kind

959
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 2: of artist, and she took a break.

960
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: She took a break to I feel like.

961
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 3: And she's super slept on as far as pop culture period, incredible.

962
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: Like I feel like when I hear people like that,

963
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 2: I just like, why, Like why don't people just artist

964
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 2: Like everybody should know this person absolutely period. You should.

965
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: She should be a household name, like it should be

966
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 2: a thing.

967
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: But that kind of goes back to our first conversation

968
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: of artists, certain artists being able to be R and

969
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: B going to pop, come back to R and B

970
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 1: or pop artists trying to dabble on R and B

971
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: and not and pop. Jasmine doesn't have the American pop appeal. Unfortunately,

972
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: that's just houll.

973
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 2: This next album, I feel like R and B is

974
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 2: starting to shout out to all the ladies, the guys

975
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 2: we're doing all right, you're doing things.

976
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: But the lady is smoking.

977
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 3: We need an R R and B groups. What happened

978
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 3: to R and B groups? But No, when I was

979
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 3: just saying we don't collaborate because we got in the

980
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 3: type of way solo artists doing the album. No, I'm

981
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 3: talking about like the first time we see like, uh

982
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 3: this group is like okay, they're a group. We don't

983
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 3: know any of them individually. There's no more than an

984
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:39,720
Speaker 3: RMB one direction.

985
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: It's too expensive.

986
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 1: It is too expensive.

987
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 2: It's top groups are expensive, and it's men are hard

988
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 2: to deal with like women. They always say like, oh,

989
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 2: women are hard to deal with. They gonna hear the

990
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 2: make up. Yeah, that's a form of difficult but men.

991
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 3: Ego.

992
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 2: But like yo.

993
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 3: I said, like, I don't know, group's be fighting, and

994
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 3: that's that happens, right, But I don't think we've ever

995
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 3: not had any Yeah, that is true. I think Boys

996
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 3: and Men was sam that was thirty years.

997
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 2: But look, I'm about to say they was the most

998
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 2: top mass appeal black group. At least they had the

999
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 2: most they I feel like they shaped the industry so

1000
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 2: crazy for like, uh, you know, like justin Timberlake and

1001
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 2: and Sync and Bactrie. They made that possible because them

1002
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 2: label saw was like, oh them boys from Philly, they

1003
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 2: have nothing. Imagine we pumped some money into these dudes.

1004
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 2: Send them to Europe. Boys and Men started in Philly,

1005
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 2: went to the world. They took all these white people,

1006
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 2: put them together, sent them to prom to send them

1007
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 2: to Europe or something like that. That costs resources, that's money.

1008
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 2: So to me, it's like they kind of showed their

1009
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 2: hand where it's like, listen what we can do, and

1010
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 2: then a white people said, hey, yo, y'all want to

1011
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 2: be a group. We finish low y'all up even bigger

1012
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 2: and better.

1013
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: But I mean, I guess that. I feel like they

1014
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: just took new addition and voice to men and kind

1015
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: of put them together because Boys Men was like true

1016
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: straight straight R and B, where New Audition did pop

1017
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: and R and B. And then they were like, all right,

1018
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 1: let's take both of these and try to create and sinking.

1019
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 2: But if you talk, it's crazy. Because you talk to

1020
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 2: those guys, I feel like they would be they will

1021
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: always feel slighted because it's like you see that somebody

1022
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: else can come and do exactly what you do and

1023
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 2: in your perspective, especially from where they come. I mean

1024
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 2: you come out of churches. Nobody sings better than people a.

1025
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 1: Church, period, without question.

1026
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 2: Like I'm the worst singer in my whole family. Like

1027
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 2: that's how bad it is. Like I'm like I'm trash,

1028
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 2: Like my family can sing, bro. So I'm like when

1029
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 2: you come from there and you see somebody make it

1030
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 2: not nearly as talented is you, and you're like, damn,

1031
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 2: they got double quadruple the money. Yeah x y z

1032
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 2: is it could make you a little bit like damn man.

1033
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: And now I'm glad you said that because I feel

1034
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: like there is more longevity for the come up from

1035
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: an artist if you do have regular jobs and shit, yeah,

1036
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 1: because a lot of people are like I can't go

1037
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: get a regular job. I got this window for two years.

1038
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: By the time of two years, I'm gonna benna make it,

1039
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: not realizing it's gonna take longer than that. And you

1040
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: can sustain your come up if you do have a job,

1041
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: like you can give yourself ten years comfortably if need

1042
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: be to make it, rather than two years. And it's like, well,

1043
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: I am dead broke and I really need to get

1044
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: a job now.

1045
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: But that it's hard because then you got ten years

1046
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 2: and no work. There is the thing that you don't

1047
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 2: think about.

1048
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: It's like I'm saying, if you have.

1049
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 2: Don't get a job or some sort of gig, you

1050
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 2: really gotta be believing in yourself.

1051
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: And now you got face tattoos and a lean addiction.

1052
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: It's fucking it's tough.

1053
00:51:58,440 --> 00:51:59,959
Speaker 3: No, now you're ready to be a rapper at that point.

1054
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: What I've said plenty of times, I feel for for

1055
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: the kids trying to become rappers, because you could pretend

1056
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: to be against a rapper in the nineties and early

1057
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 1: two thousands, and then you know, if the ship didn't

1058
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 1: work out, you could take the bag of jeans off

1059
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: and go get a FedEx job. But now to make

1060
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: it as a rapper. You gotta become an actual drug addict.

1061
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: You have to tattoo your entire face. You can never

1062
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: shampoo your hair. And it's like, if it don't work

1063
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: out for rap, there's really nothing else for you.

1064
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 2: And you gotta diss everybody around you.

1065
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 3: So God, you got to kill somebody.

1066
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 2: Yo.

1067
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 3: That's how they're on it.

1068
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 2: Now, plan to plan. Listen, come to the R and

1069
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 2: B side. Listen. You can wear expensive cardigans, nice pants.

1070
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 2: These are tailored, eat a safe restaurants. People don't stop.

1071
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 2: I never get stopped by the police. Never a cop

1072
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 2: can't stop a nigg in the card again, Are you

1073
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 2: kidding me?

1074
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: You understand the police have done it?

1075
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 2: No, they never stopped me. Pink pink, I got pink

1076
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 2: on mind you. I'm just stopped you killing about I'm

1077
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 2: trying to promote for my like that they gonna stop.

1078
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: No got to whisper singers because everyone's like, oh look

1079
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: over there, you whisper my way over this bad.

1080
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 2: But think about it though, This is the thing people

1081
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 2: don't know. De Martin b niggas was gangsters too big?

1082
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 2: Then it was.

1083
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: Are you crazy?

1084
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 3: It was it wasn't cool to be a rapper, like

1085
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 3: that ship wasn't this is new, like like rappers being

1086
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 3: cool with something totally new.

1087
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 2: But because intellect in the black community back then was

1088
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 2: still important, like at least knowing something, carrying yourself a

1089
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 2: certain way. That was like maybe they got it from

1090
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 2: the mob. I don't know, but it was just about

1091
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 2: you'll never present yourself as a gangster for real, but

1092
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 2: if you gotta be against, take it there. But never

1093
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 2: be like, oh, my gangster, I'm the hardest person in

1094
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 2: the room. It's like, well, now you just made a

1095
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 2: target for yourself. I would be the deadest person.

1096
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: I would much rather have ran into Tupac than keep

1097
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: sweat yo, no get yo?

1098
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 2: Question keep sweat on time? And somebody was like the

1099
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 2: person who introduced it, I honest say his name, he

1100
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 2: was like, yo, keep sweat, pink sweat. He looked at

1101
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 2: me with a way and I said, oh he a gainst.

1102
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 3: He said, it just sounds like a tour, he said.

1103
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 2: He said, the sweats, the sweats, I rock with you.

1104
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 2: Like but the way it was like, if he didn't

1105
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 2: like me, he would have told me. I was like, oh,

1106
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 2: I was scared. I was like he definitely not. No,

1107
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 2: like pushing around like he he's smart. He's one of

1108
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 2: those guys people they sleep on. Really about his business speak.

1109
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 3: You don't know about keep sweat. You just don't know

1110
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 3: about music.

1111
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,879
Speaker 1: Speaking of we're talking about co signs and now we're

1112
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: talking about older legends R and B. How do you

1113
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,760
Speaker 1: feel about like Jermaine Duprix right now working heavy with division,

1114
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: working with our Lennox, not trying to not trying to

1115
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 1: do the imni legend and I'm only going to work

1116
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: whenever usher feels like coming out. Then I decided to

1117
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: work and he got ice cream shout out to him,

1118
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: which we ve ice cream.

1119
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 2: I'm not vegan, but at I'm trying that. But I

1120
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:02,919
Speaker 2: think it's dope because unfortunately, I don't think they're gatekeepers

1121
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 2: like they should be within like pop music, like you

1122
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,760
Speaker 2: got people like Max Martin. If he do the record,

1123
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 2: it's like, oh my god. I feel like we don't

1124
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 2: really reverence our legends like that no more. But I

1125
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 2: really respect that he does it because it's kind of

1126
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 2: like put some respect on my name because when he

1127
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 2: started getting something going again, is like I told I

1128
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 2: do this, yeah, and I rock with that, like I

1129
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 2: rock with his energy and the fact that the records

1130
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 2: are good too. They don't sound like no old like

1131
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 2: corny stuff where a lot of people get stuck in

1132
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 2: their ways.

1133
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: You know, in fact, the new producers are trying to

1134
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: remix the JD shit.

1135
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 2: What I'm saying, he'd go like a lot a lot

1136
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 2: of those guys back then they knew what it takes

1137
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 2: to make a record.

1138
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: But that's where I feel like the only R and

1139
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: CO sins didn't come from artists, that came from producers,

1140
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: even down to I don't feel like Bryson probably got

1141
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: the last cosine in R and B history and that

1142
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 1: was from similar wow producer wise period, what other?

1143
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 2: I mean?

1144
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 1: I guess give you on if you count the Drake shit,

1145
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: but what what are the artist?

1146
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,399
Speaker 2: Guy like Tiller was definitely stamped by Drake too.

1147
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: Drake tried to sign him, might he said? Then he

1148
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: said no, And I said, I.

1149
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 2: Feel like internet wise, if you didn't tell me that

1150
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 2: I saw a stamp, I don't know what to me.

1151
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 2: It was like Drake.

1152
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 3: If it's knowing that Drake wanted to sign, that's a stamp.

1153
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 3: That's a stamp, bro, because it's like, Okay, the biggest

1154
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 3: artist in music wants to sign this artist. That means

1155
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 3: that this artist is talented and.

1156
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:27,919
Speaker 2: Industry.

1157
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: Bro If you walked outside and someone was listening to

1158
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: Bryson Tailor and said this is my favorite artist, and

1159
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: you said, did you learn about Bryson Tailor from Drake?

1160
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: They would say no.

1161
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 3: I would never say that.

1162
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: No. I mean, I didn't want to do some poles

1163
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: in the street with you, But how did you.

1164
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 3: Hear about this guy?

1165
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 2: I feel I feel I feel like Bryson Tiler was

1166
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 2: one of the guys who he broke through on his own. Yeah,

1167
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 2: but once you get stamped, if you already broke through,

1168
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 2: it just takes you higher, like period at a certain level.

1169
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 2: And then if all the sound stuff matches like you

1170
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 2: people can see Drake cos on him because they're like, yo,

1171
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 2: they would make fire music together.

1172
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: That's fire because it sound definitely derived from Drake. Yeah.

1173
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 2: And Drake is He's that guy, you know what I'm saying.

1174
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 2: And I think that I think he gets a lot

1175
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 2: of He don't get enough credit for his impact on

1176
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 2: R and B. I don't think he do. Like it's

1177
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 2: nobody else can do it, even within the rmby like

1178
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 2: labels can't do it. Drake, Yeah, what he does is like, man,

1179
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 2: if labels could do that, if they could just point

1180
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 2: and say you the one, or like put you put

1181
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 2: your vocals in us on and be like, yo, this

1182
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 2: is such a bro the game would change. But they

1183
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 2: can't do it. That's why it's so hard to break

1184
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 2: R and B right now. On the business side, it's

1185
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 2: so hard because nobody understands it. Right now. The space

1186
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 2: is unmapped. You got pink sweats, you gotta give you.

1187
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 2: They two different selves. How's that RB? For somebody who's

1188
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 2: trying to break in, it's like what do I do?

1189
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 2: What do I copy? What do I mimic?

1190
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: But I kind of think that's a good thing. And

1191
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: I also forgot Lment and Mustard.

1192
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 2: I guess that was you not thinking about the system.

1193
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 2: For creatives, yeah, it's great, but for the system, it's

1194
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 2: like what do we do? We just throw money everywhere

1195
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 2: and just hope something work.

1196
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: That was my question in the beginning of like how

1197
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: has that fucked you up? Trying to put music out

1198
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: of If I see the algorithms working with, Honesty is

1199
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: my number one record, but then I do a pop

1200
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: record which got me more exposure, but clearly honesty is

1201
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: working more numbers wise and monetarily. It's like, all right,

1202
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: the label's telling me go with the exposure part in

1203
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: this time, and then I'm gonna lose all the honesty fans.

1204
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 2: And I mean, honestly, I think a lot of artists

1205
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 2: just got a one. When you're real, true creative, you

1206
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 2: get a different sense of confidence, Like I'm really confident

1207
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 2: in what I do because i know, if nobody else

1208
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 2: is in the room, I'm gonna make a great song

1209
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 2: I made honesty. Yeah, you can't tell me nothing, like

1210
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 2: That's how I feel. So it's kind of like when

1211
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 2: when you spent ten years behind the scenes really doing

1212
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,439
Speaker 2: this and like working at your craft and nobody's paying

1213
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 2: attention to you and you get your shot, you can't

1214
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 2: really tell me nothing. And even though I definitely have

1215
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 2: listened to the labels here and there, but I'm very

1216
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 2: quick about being like.

1217
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: You stupid.

1218
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,919
Speaker 2: No, it's not that you're stupid, you know what I'm saying,

1219
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 2: That's all. That's all I'm saying. I'm like, I'm an anomaly.

1220
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 2: I feel like the way I even started music, like

1221
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 2: I used to being in the room with a hundred niggas.

1222
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 2: I'm recording, and none of them is me. They all rappers,

1223
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 2: all got that thing on. I'm sitting there like a

1224
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 2: little nerd. I'm recording a love song amongst them talking.

1225
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 2: So I come up in the drug Listen. I ain't

1226
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 2: say no names, but like that's how I come up,

1227
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 2: because it's it's unfortunate because when you are not a

1228
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 2: part of that life, you don't have nowhere to go.

1229
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 2: Like I had to go work with rappers. I had

1230
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 2: to be in a uncomfortable situations for me to get

1231
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 2: my rocks off creatively. It's like, well where else I'm

1232
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 2: I go, Yeah, there's no system for me out there.

1233
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 2: My parents ain't got money for me to get a

1234
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 2: laptop at that point. So it's like I have to

1235
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 2: go into these spaces and move which it played in

1236
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 2: my you know, my favorite because like I said, I

1237
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 2: can make a song in any condition, Like if it's

1238
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 2: a bunch of people in the room, a lot of

1239
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 2: people that oh it's too much going on for me.

1240
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 2: I can respect that, but I'm like, I gotta get

1241
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 2: to it because I chose this career, so I gotta

1242
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 2: make the best out of it. I gotta, you know,

1243
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 2: I gotta get to it period, and with some.

1244
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 3: Of the artists that you want to work with that

1245
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 3: you haven't worked with.

1246
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 2: First, I say Russ just that I just respect him

1247
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 2: as a business guy.

1248
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: It's just sitting in this chair.

1249
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I rock with Russ, I put in a chat.

1250
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 2: I like that he's just about his business, and I

1251
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 2: wish that I want to be like R and B

1252
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 2: version of that as far as the business side of

1253
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 2: just being like being transparent with a lot of people,

1254
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 2: because I think people think that one's no money in music,

1255
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 2: which is the biggest lie. There's so much money. Is

1256
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 2: you getting it? Probably not, but it's a lot out there.

1257
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 2: And I feel like because R and B is so

1258
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,439
Speaker 2: here or there. As far as like the image, there's

1259
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 2: no real one way to be now like back in

1260
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 2: the day when you had like Drew Hill something, you know,

1261
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 2: I got to come with the sexy vibes, the leather

1262
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 2: on leather on leather, like, you know, because that's the

1263
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 2: way to do it. Now you don't know. And also

1264
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 2: you don't really know that people really getting money because

1265
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 2: they're not showing it. That's not the R and B way.

1266
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 2: So it's kind of like, why do I want to

1267
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 2: do that? You know what I mean. Like, I had

1268
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 2: somebody say to me one time on tour, sold out

1269
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 2: show by the way, and he says to me, one

1270
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 2: of the guys who worked there, one of the guys

1271
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 2: who worked there, he was he was like, yo, bro.

1272
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 2: He was definitely a hoodie Like he was like, yo, bro,

1273
01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 2: I ain't never heard of your shit before, but like,

1274
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 2: who had that ship rocking? Yo? Like, I like what

1275
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 2: you're vibing with. It's like he said, I can't wait

1276
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 2: till you a millionaire.

1277
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 3: One day, I was like, why you can't wait till

1278
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 3: I'm a millionaire?

1279
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: No.

1280
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 2: I respected that because that was his way of saying, like, yo,

1281
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 2: I want to see you win me. Yeah. No, he

1282
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 2: wasn't on that. He was really being genuine and I

1283
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 2: felt it. But when he said it, it triggered to me, like, dang,

1284
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 2: I got bigger songs than most of the y'all favorite

1285
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 2: rappers and I'm not on social media as much as

1286
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 2: y'all labels, not pumping out me as much as they

1287
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 2: pumping off. But he really don't know that. I'm already

1288
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 2: I'm up and one that's a good thing because I

1289
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 2: don't never have to watch my back for nothing. Two,

1290
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 2: I'm not wearing all my money on me, But simultaneously,

1291
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 2: is that a disservice to the next young kid who

1292
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 2: is creative but he thinking like me, I want to

1293
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 2: be profitable too, to be creative on my grandma couch forever. No,

1294
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

1295
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 1: But I feel like the kid that would be influenced

1296
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 1: by your music, I don't know if they're gravitating towards that,

1297
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: because I feel like if you did, that would just

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01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 1: the That's what I'm saying.

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01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 2: That's my point.

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01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: The money, that's the value of Russ. But we've seen

1301
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 1: where it's gotten Russ with a lot of public opinions

1302
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 1: when he comes up here and it sounds like he's

1303
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 1: being arrogant and this probleship, when he's really not.

1304
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 2: It's a delivery. He's really trying to give you that

1305
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 2: it's his delivery. And also he's white, he knows these Yeah,

1306
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 2: he's a very self aware of person. But my thing

1307
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 2: is it's not so much a pink sweat thing. It's

1308
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 2: just an industry thing where these kids don't know. Bro,

1309
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna lie to you. I think most rappers

1310
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 2: really wanted to be singers. They felt like they had

1311
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 2: to be that nigga that they are right now, and

1312
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 2: if they see niggas like me start winning, that'll put

1313
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 2: a fucking sour taste in their mouth. Like damn, I

1314
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 2: could have just been a singer nigga. I ain't gotta

1315
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 2: be shooting nobody. I don't gotta be acting like I'm

1316
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 2: shooting nobody. But I could have just been that. I

1317
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 2: think that's it and still got the girls.

1318
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: I think that's action in the world though, because like

1319
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 1: when I found out trash men made over one hundred

1320
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: and twenty thousand dollars a year, I was like, what

1321
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: the trash guys is making over six figures?

1322
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 2: This is crazy.

1323
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 1: I could work on the Long Island Railroad right now

1324
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: and make two a year. No fucking way, that guy

1325
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 1: that's clipping my ticket right now is making twenty grand

1326
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: a year. It's a perception thing, I think across any

1327
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 1: business we do, because someone could come up to be like, yo,

1328
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: I'm a stockbroker and they could have the suit on,

1329
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 1: and you just think, because they're stockbroker and they have

1330
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: a suit on, they must be rich, and it's like, nah,

1331
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 1: he could just be bad at his job, right and

1332
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 1: be broke as fuck. So yeah, I think it's all perception.

1333
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 1: And then how would you how would you ask someone

1334
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: that is financially stable and making the music he wants

1335
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: to make even pitch that to somebody. But that's wear

1336
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 1: more jewel jewelry, Like do more interviews and be like, yo, I'm.

1337
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 2: Rich, Like just be weird. It's not even about me

1338
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 2: saying that I'm rich. Mind you, I'm just I'm popping

1339
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,919
Speaker 2: my shit right now because it's fun. This fun is funny.

1340
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 2: But the real talk is about financial literacy in this business.

1341
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 2: Nobody tells you, bro, and like, I'm grown bro, and

1342
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 2: I'll be feeling like, dang, nobody told me that when

1343
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 2: you get the money that that's not the end. Because

1344
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 2: people think, yo, I got three million dollars I just met,

1345
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 2: or some people you might got twenty. But whatever lifestyle

1346
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 2: you living, if this the last check you ever get,

1347
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 2: can you sustain that till you're damn near eighty years old?

1348
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 1: No, yeah you can't.

1349
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 2: Because you went ino the mansion immediately. You didn't think

1350
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 2: about investing into a four oh one K. You didn't

1351
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 2: think about ahage fun anything. You didn't think about investing

1352
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 2: into quality thing you just giving your friends money talking

1353
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 2: about oh yeah, my man's selling hat, and know this

1354
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 2: is somebody's selling hats because some people actually get money

1355
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 2: but were not taught to evaluate things critically. Because we're

1356
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 2: so creative, and nobody's champion being smart and not books smart,

1357
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 2: but like life smart, where you're making good life decisions

1358
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 2: and nobody's going to make all the right decision. But

1359
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 2: we don't even have a platform, especially singers. It's so

1360
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 2: many talented people that just lose because they don't know.

1361
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 2: Because all the singers who going through it or been

1362
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 2: through it, they not talking about it. I've been through

1363
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 2: it already. I'm not been out that long, but I've

1364
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 2: made some money. I've made bad financial decisions and I

1365
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 2: made some great decisions. But I don't feel like I should.

1366
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 2: I feel like there should be platform, especially in twenty

1367
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 2: twenty two, where singers can now discuss money and even

1368
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 2: rappers should be discussing to the public like, yo, it's

1369
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 2: not what you always think. I know my image is

1370
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 2: this because the one thing we don't want to hear

1371
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 2: is somebody we've seen shining and flex sit on everybody

1372
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 2: three years later or three months later, you know, the

1373
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 2: label this, and man, you might be saying all facts.

1374
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 2: I don't care because you flexed on us. You had

1375
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 2: the seventh role. He's on his arm seven. I don't

1376
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 2: care now. I like that. I like that. That's what

1377
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 2: I'm saying. It's just because we know, flexing on me,

1378
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 2: you trying to You're trying to ship on me. You

1379
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 2: trying to ship on my dad, who was an everyday

1380
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 2: working person. I get more money than you get in

1381
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 2: the nique, and that's fine, but remember the same people

1382
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 2: you see on the way up, it's the same people

1383
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 2: you see on the way down. And one of my

1384
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 2: old heads told me that, and I and somebody did

1385
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 2: that to me. Somebody thought they was about to be

1386
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 2: on when I was just writing songs. I'm I'm being

1387
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 2: befriending this person. And he flexed on me because he

1388
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 2: was working with some really I think it was Drake,

1389
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 2: actually he was working with them. Flexed on me, leave

1390
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 2: me on red every time. But when you wasn't on,

1391
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 2: you was blowing me up, and I answered every time. Yeah,

1392
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 2: And then I become an artist. Yo. He looks so familiar.

1393
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 2: That's my man. No, you're not my man. But I'm

1394
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 2: a loving person. So I ain't gonna never hold it

1395
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 2: against you, but we're gonna have to have a conversation.

1396
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 1: Remember you did that when I did that, Oh not

1397
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:23,600
Speaker 1: with you?

1398
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 2: He said, that was me. He's like the way a

1399
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 2: lot of people. That's that's the culture, like people on everybody.

1400
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 2: But then you want empathy and and people to care

1401
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 2: when you're not winning, it's like, no, you should have

1402
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 2: played it cool before.

1403
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 1: But that's an insecurity thing. And how the entire entertainment

1404
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 1: businesses is set up, down from the labels to social

1405
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,640
Speaker 1: media to the fans, and how they big people up

1406
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 1: based off things that don't really matter, that aren't music related.

1407
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 1: Because even I can't. It's not an excuse, but it

1408
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 1: is to some degree of a young artist coming from

1409
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 1: a place where he would have zero financial literacy at all.

1410
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 1: Even the joke I made before I could do long

1411
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 1: division as oft for X, I can't do my own taxes,

1412
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 1: like there is no setup to especially outside of that

1413
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 1: just being an American thing in the music industry, it's

1414
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 1: even heightened. You're gonna have a kid that has no

1415
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 1: idea what the fuck is going on, and you're gonna

1416
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 1: you're offering me a quarter million dollars, which I think

1417
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 1: is for me.

1418
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 2: It's not.

1419
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 1: It's for a budget. And I'm gonna spend all that

1420
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 1: shit up and have no music at the end of

1421
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 1: the day because I think that's my money. And now

1422
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here like, yo, fuck the label. And granted,

1423
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 1: you know you were a bad deal away, I agree,

1424
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 1: fuck the label, but because they're taking advantage of you,

1425
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 1: and so I can't really get mad at that.

1426
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:49,599
Speaker 2: I hear people say that, Bro, I understand some people

1427
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 2: feel some kind of way. That's feelings. That's why you

1428
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 2: were creative, because you think like in your feelings. I'm

1429
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 2: agreeving I'll be in my feelings. But I'm also a

1430
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:02,640
Speaker 2: business person. I started my life selling calendars when I

1431
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 2: was six because my dad didn't want to pay for

1432
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 2: the trip. So it's like, I know, I appreciate a

1433
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 2: dollar to a certain degree.

1434
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:10,639
Speaker 3: So you sw chocolates.

1435
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 2: I sold chocolates, but my dad never you know, how

1436
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 2: they do the school fundraisers. My dad wouldn't let me

1437
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 2: do that. He'd be like, you're gonna make them money.

1438
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 1: Sell your you know what I'm saying, Like, you sell

1439
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:22,719
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of ship, then they give you a football,

1440
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 1: out of the mass.

1441
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:25,680
Speaker 4: I just gave how much money I gave my dad

1442
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:31,600
Speaker 4: dreams to me as a kid, I'm like, nigga, I

1443
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 4: just wanted a toy like y me gonna sell all

1444
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 4: these cookies at church.

1445
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 2: And get my damn light. So he was schooling me.

1446
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 2: So for me, I'm hyper emotional, low key, like I

1447
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 2: see everything and I feel it deeply. But I also

1448
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:49,600
Speaker 2: have that side from like my pout, where it's like

1449
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 2: put that to the side. What are you trying to accomplish?

1450
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 2: How do you do it? So it's like with the label,

1451
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 2: it's just capital, it's business. But if you if you

1452
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 2: come to the table and you really ain't worth nothing,

1453
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 2: you don hyped yourself up thinking I'm somebody, but you

1454
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 2: ain't proved that yet. That's like Apple, Google, That's like

1455
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 2: all these big companies. They not like I feel like

1456
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 2: I got God when they bought me. It's like, no,

1457
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 2: we evaluated you an evaluation. You sold zero. If anything,

1458
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 2: you got the better side of the deal. It's like

1459
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:32,680
Speaker 2: if you've done this donuts no glaze, yeah, and they

1460
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 2: give you a quarter million dollars, but you're not only

1461
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 2: take the quarter million dollars as an every day upstanding

1462
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 2: the citizen. So it's like, if you've proved this much

1463
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:45,639
Speaker 2: and they give you that quarter million, at that point

1464
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 2: you have the upper hand because you really can stop

1465
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 2: making music.

1466
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 1: But that don't happen no more. By the way, that's

1467
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:52,640
Speaker 1: the old thing. Now they look at algorithms, and you

1468
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 1: have a whole bunch of algorithms media, and they can

1469
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:59,719
Speaker 1: evaluate it that way, and now they're undervaluing shit. Before

1470
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 1: that to be artists development, they would investigate a zero.

1471
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 2: You know, well because I had actual numbers. Now look,

1472
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 2: mind you, I don't even have a million followers on

1473
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 2: Instagram yet, right plug your Instagram. Pink sweats. That's it,

1474
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 2: pink sweats. Check me out. But like I never really

1475
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 2: cared about that, and maybe that's to a default. Maybe

1476
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 2: I can have even more, maybe I could be doing more,

1477
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 2: but I focused where the money was at.

1478
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 1: I mean from a YouTube and streaming perspective. That now

1479
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 1: I feel like A and R is you know what

1480
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 1: you is artists and it's algorithm and it's not you know.

1481
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 2: What it is? But I say you should know you

1482
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 2: should have seen. My thing is people be selling off

1483
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 2: their rights to stuff they never actually seen. Even if

1484
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 2: you've got five million streams and you hype I must

1485
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 2: You don't even know what that.

1486
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 1: Equal paper zero zero zero point you know how much

1487
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:00,680
Speaker 1: money that is because you didn't look at the check.

1488
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 1: Your manager probably did or your friend who's running things,

1489
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 1: so you don't even actually understand the dollar amount, and

1490
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 1: they're evaluating you in okay, let's just say they undercut you.

1491
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 2: That's your fault, because one, you not doing your self

1492
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 2: justice by trying to position the right people around you.

1493
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:21,960
Speaker 2: Whether that's now mind, you can always make a mistake,

1494
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 2: but when you try, that's all that matters. You know,

1495
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 2: you ain't nobody in the hood. That's like, I never

1496
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:30,600
Speaker 2: heard of an accountant. You seen people fail, you see it.

1497
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 2: You can hire an account If the accountant duke you,

1498
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 2: your soul will be fulfilled to know that at least

1499
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 2: I tried. But if you're not looking at your business

1500
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 2: from a standpoint of like, all right, when I'm making

1501
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 2: these songs and I'm in the studio, it's about music.

1502
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 2: When I step out there and I step to dislabel

1503
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 2: that label and they say, oh, we evaluate you at

1504
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 2: a quarter million, it's like, well, if you just made

1505
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 2: that off your streams, already. Then you know that that

1506
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense.

1507
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:57,640
Speaker 1: Okay, Can I challenge you on this thing?

1508
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 2: Yes? Please do please, because I'm not coming saying I'm

1509
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,799
Speaker 2: only like eight of a label.

1510
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 1: Of course, as any company period, not even music related,

1511
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 1: any client they're getting to, they're gonna evaluate what their

1512
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:10,600
Speaker 1: P and L will be profit loss, all right, this

1513
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 1: is what they're coming in with. This is what we

1514
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 1: think we can bring them to a place to see

1515
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 1: what we're gonna put in and what we're gonna get back.

1516
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 1: Correct Now, they're doing that based off whatever the math

1517
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 1: is with the DSP. Correct. Okay, So when the label

1518
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 1: and the DSP are actually partners, and.

1519
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:33,719
Speaker 2: How on earth.

1520
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 1: How on earth is that an accurate an accurate estimate

1521
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 1: of what your value is when yeah, your value to

1522
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 1: what we're gonna have to pay you out, But when

1523
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 1: I'm partnered with the person that's coming up with this

1524
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 1: zero point zero point zero one penny shit off a stream,

1525
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:52,599
Speaker 1: it's not an accurate value of who you are as

1526
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:56,920
Speaker 1: an artist because I'm already partnered with the distribution. So

1527
01:14:57,080 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat twice listen. So undervalued, it's.

1528
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 2: It's still catitbalism though that's the game, So just don't

1529
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:08,719
Speaker 2: get into it. That's what I'm saying, Like I respect,

1530
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 2: should I respect guys like like Brent Fayaz who like

1531
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 2: he maintains his independence because that makes him comfortable. He

1532
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 2: don't want to so he has the option because one

1533
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 2: he's one, he's proven hisself to be able to provide

1534
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:26,599
Speaker 2: for himself. So I don't need the label, and if

1535
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:29,839
Speaker 2: I do, y'all got to show and prove to me. Period.

1536
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 2: So that's my thing. A lot of artists we don't

1537
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 2: go to those extreme lengths to prove anything. It's not

1538
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:39,559
Speaker 2: even to ourselves. We just create the idea in our

1539
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 2: head that weed and ship. But nobody likes you for real.

1540
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 2: You popped off of a stupid video that people didn't

1541
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 2: even know you was the artist you. Oh this is him,

1542
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 2: the guy who did the who drake lean on the

1543
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 2: camera and fell out. Oh that was him. Wow, that's

1544
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 2: so cool. You listen to that one song. You're not

1545
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 2: building anything. So for them the label, the way I

1546
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 2: look at it is like they're looking at how can

1547
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 2: we get the most for the least at all times

1548
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 2: for their business.

1549
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 1: Yeah that's a business, but their business, And I'm not

1550
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 1: knocking that. I never think the label shouldn't get paid.

1551
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 1: I'm not one of those people.

1552
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 2: I just think they do finess though.

1553
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:21,600
Speaker 1: I'm just saying with you when you're literally investing. I

1554
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 1: worked at Sony Music. Right when I worked at Sony

1555
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 1: Music and Spotify went public, I got an email that said,

1556
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 1: if I buy any stock into Spotify right now, it's

1557
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 1: insider trading because I work at Sony, because Sony is

1558
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 1: an investor into Spotify.

1559
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1560
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:39,639
Speaker 1: So when you value an artist worth signing to Sony

1561
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 1: based off their views, based off with Spotify patrol, the

1562
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 1: label is double dipping. So that's not the value of

1563
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 1: the artists and what their P and L will be

1564
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:48,639
Speaker 1: if I signed to your company.

1565
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:50,680
Speaker 2: That's true, And the number that the label gets is

1566
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 2: not the number that you would get independently.

1567
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 1: No fuck, because they're close exactly.

1568
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 2: I agree. It's definitely a finesse, but it's kind of

1569
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 2: one of those finesses where.

1570
01:16:57,960 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 1: It's like what do you America?

1571
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 2: Or no, no, what are you in it for? Like

1572
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 2: being my manager, we had a really deep conversation before

1573
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 2: I ever did my deal Atlantic. It's like, YO, were

1574
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 2: throwing these numbers. We don't really need to do a deal.

1575
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 2: If you want to stay here and kind of build

1576
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 2: really really slow, Yep, that's fine, we can do that.

1577
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 2: Or if you want to try to attempt being and

1578
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 2: leaving a mark, a certain kind of mark, this is

1579
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 2: the system you have to plug in now. Mind you,

1580
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 2: If it don't work out the kind of deal that

1581
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 2: we're going to try.

1582
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 3: To get, you don't take a loss.

1583
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 2: You don't really take no l And even if you do.

1584
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,639
Speaker 2: First country, I mean, it's kind of like first world problem.

1585
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 2: It's like, oh I can't get a Bentley. It's like,

1586
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 2: all right, you cool, but you was making you know

1587
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,799
Speaker 2: what I mean? He was making thirty grand a year before.

1588
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 1: That kind of goes back to your conversation with the

1589
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:51,640
Speaker 1: security guard at the spot, cause it's like, all right,

1590
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 1: I could not go with the machine that's probably gonna

1591
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 1: pump me as far as perception and eyes on me

1592
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:00,679
Speaker 1: to a new level, which to a lot of artists.

1593
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 1: I understand you want to put a real mark in

1594
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 1: the music. You're an artist. I totally get that perspective.

1595
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 1: But if you want to build a core fan base

1596
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 1: and actually make some real money that will be generational

1597
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 1: for your family. Sometimes having a bunch of eyes on

1598
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 1: you isn't the way. It's the fan base that you

1599
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:18,559
Speaker 1: do have, because I know artists that, like you're saying,

1600
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:20,840
Speaker 1: people don't know how much money you have or how

1601
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 1: many tickets you can sell. Of course not of course, yeah,

1602
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 1: I know plenty of artists like that that can sell

1603
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:33,439
Speaker 1: out venues where artists that have the most eyes you

1604
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 1: would think they are number one artists couldn't sell out

1605
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:36,760
Speaker 1: sobs if you ask them to.

1606
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 2: That's fat. So yeah, it.

1607
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:40,640
Speaker 1: Depends what you really want out the ship, and what

1608
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 1: your view of success and what your view of fulfilment

1609
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 1: is and what your view of what perception. You'll tell

1610
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 1: you what did it because I think I think if

1611
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 1: you because you're saying that.

1612
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I signed because I literally did

1613
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:56,519
Speaker 2: it because I always feel like I was going to

1614
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 2: be rich. That's like, that's I'm just saying, like since

1615
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 2: I was a kid, way I thought, I'm like, this's

1616
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 2: some ghetto shit. It can't be for me. Like I

1617
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 2: don't know why that was just in my head, maybe

1618
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 2: my mom saying that I was an air stomacher. But

1619
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 2: it's like I knew that what I saw growing up,

1620
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 2: I didn't want people to see only that. And then

1621
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 2: when I moved to the suburbs, it's kind of like

1622
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 2: some fresh prince stuff, right, But I'm actually from West Philly.

1623
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 2: I've lived in North Philly, I've lived in Northeast, I

1624
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 2: lived all over Philly. And I really remember thinking to myself,

1625
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:37,559
Speaker 2: why is it corny to be an upstanding black person?

1626
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 2: Like when I was young, we always made fun of

1627
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 2: like people who were doing the right things. My teacher,

1628
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 2: he was a black guy, one of the few black

1629
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:51,720
Speaker 2: male teachers we gonna add, and he would ride a

1630
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:55,680
Speaker 2: bike to school, very proper, guy, tucked his shirt in.

1631
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,760
Speaker 2: He thought he was a clown. When I moved to

1632
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 2: the and I was like sixteen, biggest culture shock bro.

1633
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:09,639
Speaker 2: And then how people perceived me that hurt my feelings

1634
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 2: because I'm like, damn, I can't talk to people because

1635
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:17,800
Speaker 2: when they see me, they don't know that many black people.

1636
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 2: And then the people that they they do know, I

1637
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 2: know what they're listening to and he's saying he's the

1638
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 2: hottest nig in the world at that time, and it's

1639
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 2: subconsciously programming them that if you look any way threatening,

1640
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 2: I don't know you.

1641
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying sure, and it's.

1642
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 2: A vibe and I'm just like, I don't like that vibe,

1643
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:42,520
Speaker 2: Like why, like why why now do I lose opportunities

1644
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:45,760
Speaker 2: If I'm driving in the hood and the police pulled

1645
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 2: me over because I'm in a certain kind of car,

1646
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 2: Why why can't I like why is all this this way?

1647
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 2: And I just started reverse engineering. I'm just like, man,

1648
01:20:56,320 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 2: like nobody that's upstanding, Nobody likes that. They don't think

1649
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 2: that's cool in our culture. But then shout out to

1650
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 2: Ed Sharon T Shirt jeans rich as a motherfucker. There's

1651
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 2: no black version of that at his age record, and

1652
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 2: there probably won't be because of the way the system

1653
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 2: is set up. You got people like John Legend balling

1654
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:23,759
Speaker 2: in my hood when I was young. He was corny.

1655
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:26,640
Speaker 2: Nobody actually wanted to be like him. We liked him,

1656
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 2: We respect them, like, oh he on that song. But

1657
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:32,639
Speaker 2: as a man, as a man, I respect John Legend.

1658
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:36,800
Speaker 2: He got a family, He's not into drama, Like he's

1659
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:39,560
Speaker 2: not getting shot at, You're not worried about getting his

1660
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:42,600
Speaker 2: store kicked in by the police. It's these are the

1661
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 2: things that really I'm not even being like on no faction.

1662
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 2: This real like this really what made me want to

1663
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 2: be that person. I got cousins like my cousin I

1664
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 2: was just at his game and all the kids like,

1665
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 2: oh my god, pink science faces. And I know that

1666
01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 2: I ain't spoiling these kids. I'm not ruining under these kids.

1667
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 2: They listen to any of my music for real, for real,

1668
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 2: They're not gonna take any of that and ruin their lives.

1669
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 2: I didn't tell them to do drugs. I've not instructed

1670
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 2: them to do anything except love. And if that hurts you,

1671
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:14,720
Speaker 2: all right, cool, holler at me.

1672
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 1: You hurt sometimes it do, but take that l over

1673
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 1: jail bent over.

1674
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:23,040
Speaker 2: Whatever people doing in there, I'll I never find out.

1675
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 2: But it's like, that's really why I do what I

1676
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 2: do is because imagery. I traveled the world, bro, like

1677
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 2: people are afraid of American black people, black men, and

1678
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 2: it's because we don't control our image. We're always looked

1679
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 2: at through the dominant white society's view, So you don't

1680
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:45,799
Speaker 2: even get a chance. I couldn't even get a taxi

1681
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:48,760
Speaker 2: in certain places. You gotta go to the one in

1682
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 2: the back. The fuck.

1683
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 3: No, if you dressed like that, you can get a

1684
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 3: cat No, bro, think about it.

1685
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 2: You got it.

1686
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 3: I can't get it.

1687
01:22:56,080 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 2: I actually posted this one time. It was like a

1688
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 2: big deal for me. But that was scary because I

1689
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:04,439
Speaker 2: couldn't get home. I had a big jacket on it.

1690
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 2: It was cold as fuck. I think I was in

1691
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 2: like somewhere in London or whatever, and it was literally

1692
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:10,759
Speaker 2: we could not get a taxi.

1693
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 1: Nobody don't even know if he was in London.

1694
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 2: Taxi though, And that hurt my feelings. Bro, and I

1695
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:23,799
Speaker 2: knew the only and I saw white people getting taxis

1696
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 2: and I'm like, this is only like three years ago.

1697
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, I can be mad at the white man,

1698
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 2: or I could start doing something about it. I could say,

1699
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 2: you know what, here I am. I'm not gonna present

1700
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 2: myself as a threat to you, So any opportunity you

1701
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:42,200
Speaker 2: skip me over, I'm gonna let you know. Well, and

1702
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:44,800
Speaker 2: Sharon did that why I can't do a guitar song,

1703
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 2: Well because the black audience. Fuck you, nigga, what are

1704
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 2: you talking about the black audists? Do you know every

1705
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:54,120
Speaker 2: black person? Are you trying to subtly tell me you're racist?

1706
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:56,320
Speaker 2: Because I'm here for it. I'm not gonna judge you,

1707
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:59,839
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna tell people. Yeah, and that's the conversation

1708
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 2: excuse me that I have, Like even with Atlantic, Like

1709
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 2: I know Craig Julie. I talk to him personally and

1710
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 2: we have real conversations about the kind of artists I

1711
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:11,599
Speaker 2: want to be. And if you don't want that, don't

1712
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 2: give me all this fucking money because you just gonna

1713
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:17,639
Speaker 2: take it. M'm I don't care. I got my bread.

1714
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 2: I just want to be able to put out content

1715
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 2: that my little cousin I know where, I know where

1716
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 2: they from. I don't want him to be looking at

1717
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 2: me like, oh, because it's a drug dealer. He doing this,

1718
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 2: that's the way. So if I want to be close

1719
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 2: to him, then I gotta do these things. That is

1720
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 2: some dumb shit are like for real, that's dumb, and

1721
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:44,560
Speaker 2: we gotta stop making that shit cool because it's not.

1722
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 2: And if I gotta be the person to walk around

1723
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 2: in my pink and people feel uncomfortable, uncomfortable like why

1724
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 2: is he always smiling? Why is he always happy? I'm

1725
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:56,800
Speaker 2: not always smiling and always happy. But I'm gonna put

1726
01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 2: that front on before I put on i'm doing drugs front.

1727
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:02,560
Speaker 2: I act like I'm killing people. I'd rather act like

1728
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 2: I'm a loving person if that's the worst thing in

1729
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:05,719
Speaker 2: the fucking world.

1730
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 1: Fair Quickly back to the collaborative thing and the conversation

1731
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 1: we were having with financial literacy. Do you feel like

1732
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 1: you should reach out to artists fuck music, just you're

1733
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 1: experience in the music industry instead of even trying on that.

1734
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 1: We should collaborate the way the rappers do, of like

1735
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:27,639
Speaker 1: we should just chop it up. And I think Brent

1736
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:30,040
Speaker 1: is someone that should do it as well. He's of

1737
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:32,439
Speaker 1: how to just how to move business. I'm saying, how

1738
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 1: to move business wise? Fuck music, reach out to other

1739
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 1: R and B artists you may see that are getting fucked,

1740
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:39,680
Speaker 1: that could get out of certain situations because you've had

1741
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 1: so much time in here and because financial literacy is

1742
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:45,760
Speaker 1: so important. Fuck even start in the conversation where we

1743
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 1: should work on music, like yeah, I mean it's just hard.

1744
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:51,679
Speaker 1: Should tell everyone the stem shit that's going on right now.

1745
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 2: Like hundred percent and funny enough, I tell artists about that,

1746
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:57,680
Speaker 2: even though I'm not in it anymore. Yeah, when I was,

1747
01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 2: I was, I was doing my thing, but and I

1748
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 2: tell kids now, I'm like, yo, what do you want?

1749
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:06,680
Speaker 2: Don't just sign yeah, don't ask me? Is this a

1750
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:08,599
Speaker 2: good label, it ain't gonna be one for you if

1751
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 2: you ain't got your head on right, if you don't

1752
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 2: know what you really want. Because they don't know what

1753
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 2: you want, they just going to use you like a

1754
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 2: test dummy, as they should.

1755
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:17,680
Speaker 1: They gave you money, same resources.

1756
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 2: Yes, but I ask people, what do you want? How

1757
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 2: much you make? In one of my homies right now,

1758
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:27,160
Speaker 2: shout out Otis Kane. He's doing his thing, and he

1759
01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 2: watched me come up and he replicated, he doing his

1760
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 2: thing right now. And do everybody know him no, because

1761
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:35,760
Speaker 2: he's not signed to a label, but he's getting money.

1762
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:39,519
Speaker 2: He's providing a life for himself outside of just him

1763
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:42,880
Speaker 2: loving music and my thing With everybody that I encounter

1764
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 2: in this space, I want to let them know that

1765
01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 2: if you're not where I'm at yet, don't trip. Get

1766
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 2: your money, learn the business, learn how to promote your songs.

1767
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,639
Speaker 2: Get with somebody who does know how to actually promote music,

1768
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:57,840
Speaker 2: because you just gonna keep getting deeper into the bamboozling

1769
01:26:57,880 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 2: because labels don't know what they're doing. I don't expect

1770
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 2: the Atlantic Records to blow me up. And I love

1771
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:06,719
Speaker 2: Atlantic because they do right by me. But I don't

1772
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:09,560
Speaker 2: ever go into anything expecting that they're going to do

1773
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 2: some magical work of God, like make me. I know

1774
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:16,040
Speaker 2: when I go in the studio if they don't promote

1775
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 2: this song at all. This song need to be compelling.

1776
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 2: It's the first song I made when I didn't have them.

1777
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:22,519
Speaker 2: People need to feel this.

1778
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:27,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think powers and numbers with the artists because

1779
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 1: corporate always has an answer to everything, because now that

1780
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 1: we don't now that the labels aren't needed for some artists.

1781
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 1: They are needed. Don't don't get me wrong there, but

1782
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:39,559
Speaker 1: because they're not necessary for every single artist. They answered

1783
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 1: with DSPs.

1784
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:41,400
Speaker 2: That's true.

1785
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 1: So now there's always something that they've been doing it

1786
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:50,320
Speaker 1: since cassettes. Every time we fix something, they answer with

1787
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:54,599
Speaker 1: something else. Because the analytics with no pictures. That fucked

1788
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 1: the game up.

1789
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 2: I got a country song I put out. It was

1790
01:27:57,320 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 2: on R and B, but look there's a country song.

1791
01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 2: When I say that, like bro, I literally cried, I'm

1792
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:05,080
Speaker 2: not even gonna lie. I was like, I feel like

1793
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:08,800
Speaker 2: I was in the fucking fifties, nigga, I'm like what.

1794
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:11,519
Speaker 1: They did the bed like the Country Music Awards was

1795
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:14,040
Speaker 1: pissed that she was gonna do was it Daddy's Lessons

1796
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:14,719
Speaker 1: from Lemonade?

1797
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:15,160
Speaker 2: Crazy?

1798
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:16,680
Speaker 1: It was like, wait, this isn't country. It's like, why

1799
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:17,759
Speaker 1: the fuck is this not a country?

1800
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 2: This is a country song, not because we can't come

1801
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 2: over here getting another hard money.

1802
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 3: Listen, what is money to begin with? Even it all stills.

1803
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:29,840
Speaker 3: That's crazy about all them, but part of me respects them.

1804
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 2: It's like it's like a love hate thing because part

1805
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 2: of me is like, damn, we don't got no lock

1806
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:36,479
Speaker 2: on our ship because if we did, everybody wouldn't be

1807
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 2: able to just do it. Shit, what I'm saying what

1808
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:43,759
Speaker 2: we call black music because everybody don't resonate with country,

1809
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like all black that's not

1810
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 2: we resonate R and B. We resonate with rep. But

1811
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:50,640
Speaker 2: we don't own it. We don't rep like in the

1812
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:52,639
Speaker 2: in the South and all that where they doing country,

1813
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:58,160
Speaker 2: they run it. It's like because we don't validate you. Now,

1814
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 2: we're Jordan's can't be a country Home on your shoes boy.

1815
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's only because our culture is very like

1816
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 3: hip hop culture is very open. We accept anybody. We

1817
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:09,880
Speaker 3: don't care if you black.

1818
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:11,599
Speaker 2: Black people in general are very old.

1819
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 3: We accept very forgiven, very forgiven, very forgiven.

1820
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:18,759
Speaker 1: People, even with the DSPs and podcasting and music altogether.

1821
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 2: This week, what was It?

1822
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 1: Neil Diamond, Neil Young, Neil Young, Neil Young and a

1823
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:26,559
Speaker 1: few other artists said, Joe Rogan is a big podcaster,

1824
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 1: as most people know, he allegedly I haven't listened, has

1825
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,880
Speaker 1: been putting out wrong information about the vaccines and ship

1826
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 1: so people are boycotting and.

1827
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:36,920
Speaker 3: It's not wrong information. I don't know he's he's been

1828
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 3: He's been very vocal about just questioning things that are

1829
01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:43,639
Speaker 3: being put out about the vacs. And he had COVID

1830
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:47,200
Speaker 3: and he uh put the stuff that he used out

1831
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:48,519
Speaker 3: on the internet for people to try to say it

1832
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 3: worked for him. Other people followsuit when they call COVID

1833
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:54,439
Speaker 3: and said it worked for them. So so he's just

1834
01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:56,800
Speaker 3: been very vocal about because you know what, now if

1835
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:58,240
Speaker 3: it's working about it's.

1836
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 2: Like America slowly becoming I mean this, it's kind of weird.

1837
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 2: This is this is this You can't say nothing is

1838
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 2: basically what he's saying. And now I'm not saying I

1839
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:08,600
Speaker 2: agree because I don't even know what he said, but

1840
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:09,719
Speaker 2: it's like, but he's.

1841
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:12,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, what agree?

1842
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:16,839
Speaker 2: You can sell people of milk and strong bones.

1843
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:20,439
Speaker 1: But but you can't say something of well, certain artists

1844
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:22,880
Speaker 1: have been listen. I don't give a fuck what he

1845
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:23,760
Speaker 1: was saying, and I know.

1846
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:25,519
Speaker 2: I don't know no idea what I'm just saying.

1847
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:27,960
Speaker 1: Artists saw that and was like, YO, take my music

1848
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:31,760
Speaker 1: off Spotify because I don't want my music near someone

1849
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:33,920
Speaker 1: that's spewing something they disagree.

1850
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:36,640
Speaker 2: With, so they should actually do it. But always talking.

1851
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:43,080
Speaker 1: Stock of One artist plummeted Spotify that week, who Neil Young,

1852
01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 1: Neil Diamond. All right, cooling powers and numbers.

1853
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:51,040
Speaker 3: But I do like the fact that Spotify stood next

1854
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 3: to Joe Rogan in that.

1855
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:55,200
Speaker 2: I think it's only fair if we was in another country,

1856
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 2: different outcome. In America, the idea is freedom. So if

1857
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:02,920
Speaker 2: it's just an idea and it's not real, then yeah, cruise,

1858
01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:06,080
Speaker 2: crucified the guy. If that's the real truth, I don't know.

1859
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:08,920
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm arguing. Ultimately, give a fuck with Joe.

1860
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:10,040
Speaker 2: I don't know what he's saying.

1861
01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 1: One artist plummeted Spotify stock when he said take my

1862
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:17,320
Speaker 1: catalog off. DMed each other and said, hey, we should

1863
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:19,519
Speaker 1: take our fucking catalog off. Some ship that's paying us

1864
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 1: point zero zero zero one penny.

1865
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:22,639
Speaker 2: We gotta stund we gotta stand. We got to slow down,

1866
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:25,800
Speaker 2: slow down. This is media. This is media we're dealing with.

1867
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:30,240
Speaker 2: I don't know anybody. I always look at rankings on

1868
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:32,639
Speaker 2: Spotify because I'm always trying to make sure I'm still

1869
01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 2: on point. I make sure I'm still in that top

1870
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:38,640
Speaker 2: five hundred point. I don't personally even know who that

1871
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:41,040
Speaker 2: guy is you just said, but maybe that's a guy

1872
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:43,599
Speaker 2: I am too. I am I'm from the hood.

1873
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:46,360
Speaker 1: I really don't know that one artist. I don't care

1874
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 1: if it was fucking Bruce Springsteen artist too.

1875
01:31:50,200 --> 01:31:52,000
Speaker 2: But is it true? This is the thing we look

1876
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:52,599
Speaker 2: at headlines.

1877
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:54,760
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it affected Spotify. I'm sure you don't

1878
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 1: know if any slightest, but to see a stock go

1879
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 1: down that quickly because one artist and the fact that

1880
01:32:02,439 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 1: everyone has the ability to fucking dm each other, it's

1881
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:08,320
Speaker 1: like that. It's like, yo, But how do you unify

1882
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:11,360
Speaker 1: when everyone's in different positions and we're not being honest?

1883
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:14,760
Speaker 1: Now see if somebody's also This is part of the

1884
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 1: division is money because.

1885
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 2: Artists are n actually competitive too. We're competitive too. We

1886
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:22,960
Speaker 2: don't play sports were not dunking on you with our hands.

1887
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:24,720
Speaker 2: We talnking on you with this song though at my

1888
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:27,559
Speaker 2: worst billion and something like that. That's how you feel,

1889
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:31,160
Speaker 2: I'm talking you. It's an ego stroke. So if you

1890
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:33,599
Speaker 2: feel like a lot of people, I don't feel this way,

1891
01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:36,000
Speaker 2: but I can see how a lot of people feel like, well,

1892
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 2: if I help them, then it may surpass me. It's

1893
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:40,680
Speaker 2: like that's weak to me, Like you can't surpass me.

1894
01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:43,280
Speaker 2: And even if you do, God bless you, because that

1895
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:45,360
Speaker 2: means you really doing it. Because I know I'm doing it.

1896
01:32:45,479 --> 01:32:47,600
Speaker 2: I know I really put time and energy to this.

1897
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,960
Speaker 2: If you surpass me, I'm gonna applaud you. And that's

1898
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:54,519
Speaker 2: probably a church thing. I always yo, man, I'm dang,

1899
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:56,080
Speaker 2: you did it. That's crazy.

1900
01:32:56,240 --> 01:32:58,400
Speaker 1: But you could still have ego and competition even if

1901
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:01,040
Speaker 1: we all agree that this is unfair and we shouldn't be.

1902
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 2: It depends what kind of That's what I'm saying. Like

1903
01:33:03,439 --> 01:33:05,920
Speaker 2: some people they don't want to see nobody past them,

1904
01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:08,679
Speaker 2: so they don't want to empower you in no way.

1905
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:11,160
Speaker 2: If I tell you about stem, if I tell you

1906
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 2: about independence, if I tell you about look what we

1907
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:18,320
Speaker 2: can do together, then the possibility is one. You could

1908
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:22,240
Speaker 2: take my idea, you could influence everybody before I get

1909
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:25,360
Speaker 2: to them, and everybody's praising you. No, man, I'm just

1910
01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:28,240
Speaker 2: not gonna take that chance. Or you could end up

1911
01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 2: being the one person that stays in the system. And

1912
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:34,679
Speaker 2: when it's kind of like slavery mentality, little kids like, well,

1913
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:37,640
Speaker 2: if this person runs and twenty people run with them,

1914
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:41,040
Speaker 2: and a person go tell on you, Oh, you deal

1915
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:43,960
Speaker 2: with it. You trying to run, then he gets promoted.

1916
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:47,040
Speaker 2: So when you gotta come back on the plantation, now

1917
01:33:47,080 --> 01:33:50,840
Speaker 2: you gotta see this dude on top. That's kind of

1918
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:52,280
Speaker 2: how we all think.

1919
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:54,400
Speaker 1: It's not like I think there's more value in the

1920
01:33:54,479 --> 01:33:56,800
Speaker 1: twenty people leaving than the one person staying to still

1921
01:33:57,120 --> 01:33:59,680
Speaker 1: see you, even if they rich in the system, they

1922
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:03,920
Speaker 1: still the system. Twenty people that are independent and doing

1923
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:08,200
Speaker 1: it their way. Whoever, there's no ceiling when you're that way. System,

1924
01:34:08,240 --> 01:34:11,160
Speaker 1: I agree with you, but you still a rebel.

1925
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 2: But you're a rebel. I'm a rebel. I feel like

1926
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:14,960
Speaker 2: I want to go against the system. I want to

1927
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:18,320
Speaker 2: come into the system, try my very best to disrupt it,

1928
01:34:19,240 --> 01:34:22,040
Speaker 2: and if I can't, my situation is good enough where

1929
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:26,120
Speaker 2: I'm just out my fans are still building. I'm making

1930
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:28,200
Speaker 2: an effort to always put out good music. I'm not

1931
01:34:28,280 --> 01:34:32,200
Speaker 2: trying to like convert to the industry whatever, but I

1932
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:35,040
Speaker 2: really am trying to disrupt this for the next person

1933
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:36,720
Speaker 2: who might still want to come in. Make it a

1934
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:40,160
Speaker 2: little easier for you. Oh yeah, pink saustles here, look

1935
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:41,960
Speaker 2: at this pink carpet we're gonna roll out for you.

1936
01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:45,320
Speaker 2: You want to do some sweet saft love songs as

1937
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:49,280
Speaker 2: a blackmail, we gotcha. I want atlantic to talk to

1938
01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:52,439
Speaker 2: them like that. But you know, it's it's a lot

1939
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 2: of work, bro like, and I feel like in this industry,

1940
01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:59,639
Speaker 2: people get into it thinking, well, once I get that payday,

1941
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:04,840
Speaker 2: it's over. You don't need a hundred paydays. I don't

1942
01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:06,960
Speaker 2: care how much money you get, because you're going to

1943
01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:08,520
Speaker 2: upgrade your lifestyle.

1944
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:11,760
Speaker 1: Over It's going to be different, guaranteed, unless.

1945
01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:14,479
Speaker 2: You humble yourself to that point, like I feel like,

1946
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:18,720
Speaker 2: and also that's a stigma to humbling yourself. But you

1947
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:21,680
Speaker 2: gotta be confident in yourself to know that. Like, yo,

1948
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:25,120
Speaker 2: if I lower my lifestyle, I don't have to explain

1949
01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:27,519
Speaker 2: that to people, because you ain't You're not paying my

1950
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 2: bills you're not x y Z.

1951
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:32,439
Speaker 3: That's a lot of rappers that got a lot of money,

1952
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:35,960
Speaker 3: millions for real, there's a lot of people that don't.

1953
01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:38,479
Speaker 2: But it's a lot of people that actually really got money,

1954
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:41,799
Speaker 2: but their lifestyle so crazy and they won't humble themselves

1955
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:46,080
Speaker 2: to say, like, I don't really need six houses, because

1956
01:35:46,200 --> 01:35:49,000
Speaker 2: if I sell these houses, then everybody around me gonna

1957
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:51,760
Speaker 2: start thinking I ain't got it. I don't really need

1958
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:52,599
Speaker 2: to give my friend.

1959
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:54,840
Speaker 1: One hundred thousand they've renting six houses, right.

1960
01:35:55,640 --> 01:35:59,320
Speaker 2: But it's just so many things. There's so many things

1961
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:03,040
Speaker 2: in the industry that feeds your ego that keeps you

1962
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:07,360
Speaker 2: from actually being fulfilled. It's ego.

1963
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:11,040
Speaker 1: No, it's not your ego, No, not mine. It's not

1964
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:14,519
Speaker 1: even the ego of the perception of what you think

1965
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:17,679
Speaker 1: you're doing, right ship.

1966
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:21,200
Speaker 2: But I allow myself to humble me when sometimes when

1967
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:23,080
Speaker 2: when I say humble, I don't like to use that word.

1968
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:26,560
Speaker 2: I allow myself to be realistic sometimes because I'm a

1969
01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:29,880
Speaker 2: very wild thinker, so I can go, man, I want

1970
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:32,040
Speaker 2: to be like Apple, like you know how you be talking,

1971
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:35,799
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I have to recognize moments

1972
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:38,400
Speaker 2: where it's like, you know what in order for me

1973
01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:41,320
Speaker 2: to do this. If I want to invest X amount

1974
01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:44,360
Speaker 2: of dollars into this long term thing, maybe I don't

1975
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 2: need the house that I'm in right now, and I

1976
01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:49,360
Speaker 2: can downgrade to an apartment and I can say, Yo,

1977
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:51,479
Speaker 2: I thug it out here, but I got bag over

1978
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:54,600
Speaker 2: here for the next twenty years. That's probably going to

1979
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:57,280
Speaker 2: a lot of people don't want to do that because

1980
01:36:57,280 --> 01:37:00,800
Speaker 2: it's like what people going to think. You think, I

1981
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:02,120
Speaker 2: ain't doing it, but you've.

1982
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:04,400
Speaker 1: You've crossed the line that it takes some people their

1983
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 1: entire lives to get over. As dealing with your own

1984
01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:09,880
Speaker 1: personal with your own personal ego, because most of most

1985
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:12,679
Speaker 1: people's ego is based off society and what you think

1986
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:15,280
Speaker 1: you should do. A lot of people's ego they was

1987
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:17,560
Speaker 1: not born going I need six Bentleys. Their ego is

1988
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:20,400
Speaker 1: built and I think I need six Bentleys because that's

1989
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:21,400
Speaker 1: what is like.

1990
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:24,680
Speaker 3: You see somebody that gets that, and you know, I

1991
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:26,519
Speaker 3: got more money in your old town than him. If

1992
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:27,880
Speaker 3: he got six, I gotta have twelve.

1993
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:33,479
Speaker 1: My entire life, I had a ninety three Chevy Malibu

1994
01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:35,080
Speaker 1: was the first car I ever had, and then I

1995
01:37:35,160 --> 01:37:37,519
Speaker 1: didn't have a car up until I got my mother

1996
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:39,920
Speaker 1: one and I took her old Mazda and I only

1997
01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:42,080
Speaker 1: kept it because it was the pandemic, and I was like,

1998
01:37:42,120 --> 01:37:44,880
Speaker 1: it's better than taking the train. Right, We got our deal,

1999
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:47,920
Speaker 1: every car, dream car I ever thought I can afford.

2000
01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:50,760
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm driving around New York City seeing potholes

2001
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:54,920
Speaker 1: everything I'm going. I'm staying in this motherfucking masta for sure,

2002
01:37:55,320 --> 01:37:58,400
Speaker 1: but still with that takes time, and I'm standing and

2003
01:37:58,439 --> 01:38:01,840
Speaker 1: going through experiences. So so many people that are young

2004
01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:03,679
Speaker 1: and I'm not even saying age wise young in mind,

2005
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:05,920
Speaker 1: are going to look their ego is not gonna be

2006
01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:08,760
Speaker 1: built off their experiences or their personality. It's gonna be

2007
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:12,000
Speaker 1: built around everything they see. So they're not gonna think

2008
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:14,840
Speaker 1: that way. They're going to think, like, ego needs six

2009
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:17,120
Speaker 1: fucking Ventleys, So I'm gonna spend this whole advance and

2010
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:17,840
Speaker 1: go get that ship.

2011
01:38:18,040 --> 01:38:18,240
Speaker 2: Yep.

2012
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:20,880
Speaker 3: And that's the dumbest shit in the world.

2013
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:25,760
Speaker 2: Even if you bro this the thing about like I

2014
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:28,640
Speaker 2: would say, like hood mentality sometimes I don't know if

2015
01:38:28,640 --> 01:38:30,200
Speaker 2: it's hood, but I'm from so I'm gonna just say

2016
01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:32,920
Speaker 2: hood mentality. That's all I know. We think that we

2017
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:35,679
Speaker 2: gotta show everything and when I started to be around

2018
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:38,800
Speaker 2: like wealthy like white people, like a lot of my

2019
01:38:38,920 --> 01:38:41,200
Speaker 2: friends who are like they might not be wealthy, but

2020
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:44,800
Speaker 2: they just have a wealth building mindset. And I'm like,

2021
01:38:45,080 --> 01:38:47,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, we like the same age, and they like

2022
01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:50,400
Speaker 2: we do a deal. We both get money. I know,

2023
01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:53,600
Speaker 2: I know, we both just got a bag. They go

2024
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:56,800
Speaker 2: put their money somewhere. My dumb ass, I want to

2025
01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:59,519
Speaker 2: go buy some I'm buy a chain because I'm trying

2026
01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:02,439
Speaker 2: to feel that space of that kid. Now I got

2027
01:39:02,479 --> 01:39:05,479
Speaker 2: the chain. I'm like, this shit is the dumbest thing ever.

2028
01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:08,000
Speaker 2: Mind you didn't take me under, but because of my

2029
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:11,120
Speaker 2: mindset and the surroundings, the things I put myself around

2030
01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:13,960
Speaker 2: mentally because I want to grow. I want to grow

2031
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:16,760
Speaker 2: outside of that. Oh, six Bentleys now, if I could

2032
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:19,000
Speaker 2: ever afford it through Jeff basis, all I think is,

2033
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:21,760
Speaker 2: do Jeff Bezos health six Bentleys now? Not that I

2034
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:24,760
Speaker 2: need to compare myselves because we different culturally, but why

2035
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:26,840
Speaker 2: you can't just have one? I don't even know if

2036
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:29,760
Speaker 2: he has any cars. He could or he could not.

2037
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:33,400
Speaker 3: It's just like it's not even a fly call like

2038
01:39:33,479 --> 01:39:35,200
Speaker 3: that though, Like when you really get into that, we

2039
01:39:35,479 --> 01:39:38,400
Speaker 3: make everything fly. Yeah, but it's like service shit that

2040
01:39:38,680 --> 01:39:41,000
Speaker 3: in our culture that we deem to be like cool,

2041
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:44,080
Speaker 3: It's like, well we've been lied to for a long.

2042
01:39:43,960 --> 01:39:47,160
Speaker 2: No, we like to ourselves. We look at stuff expensive,

2043
01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:48,840
Speaker 2: and I know because I'm a nigga, I do this

2044
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:51,960
Speaker 2: and I have to like tap him to my other

2045
01:39:52,120 --> 01:39:55,240
Speaker 2: side to be like nope, Like I see something if

2046
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:57,400
Speaker 2: it's even if it's food, bro, if you can see,

2047
01:39:57,439 --> 01:40:00,479
Speaker 2: I like to eat right, I'm eating the finest thing, bro,

2048
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:03,360
Speaker 2: Like when I was in the hood. I'm eating McDonald's

2049
01:40:03,479 --> 01:40:05,519
Speaker 2: so the same way I used to eat that. Now

2050
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:07,960
Speaker 2: I want wag you what's up? But if the price

2051
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:09,800
Speaker 2: ain't right and I don't think it's real, wag goo,

2052
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:13,400
Speaker 2: I'm questioning the person. Where's the birth certificate for the beef?

2053
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:14,720
Speaker 1: That's it.

2054
01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:21,640
Speaker 2: It's different. I'm keeping it up being than town. No,

2055
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:23,000
Speaker 2: it is, but listen, it's a.

2056
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:26,080
Speaker 3: Mentality thing, That's what I'm saying. Like we see prices

2057
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:28,000
Speaker 3: and that starts in the hood.

2058
01:40:28,040 --> 01:40:30,240
Speaker 2: Like my dad told me one time, are you talking

2059
01:40:30,280 --> 01:40:32,400
Speaker 2: to my Mom's gonna be mad at me. She always

2060
01:40:32,439 --> 01:40:36,559
Speaker 2: hates that we speaking of your father. So my dad

2061
01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:38,840
Speaker 2: told me when I used to live in the hood,

2062
01:40:39,439 --> 01:40:41,960
Speaker 2: we used to get free lunch. And this is a

2063
01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:45,240
Speaker 2: crazy thing. We see free lunch. Nobody ate the free lunch.

2064
01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:49,200
Speaker 2: M hm. We all live in poverty. My dad told

2065
01:40:49,240 --> 01:40:52,240
Speaker 2: me one time, he said, we eat that much. He said,

2066
01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:54,960
Speaker 2: dumb kids who are not eating at lunch might be

2067
01:40:55,080 --> 01:40:58,439
Speaker 2: the only meal they get all day. And they trying

2068
01:40:58,479 --> 01:41:00,840
Speaker 2: to look cool. And I thought my day was so dumb,

2069
01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:04,920
Speaker 2: like man people we every day. And I remember one

2070
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:08,479
Speaker 2: of my friends, his name was Doobie. His house was

2071
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:14,559
Speaker 2: on the news bro It was mattresses stacked to the ceiling, roaches, rats,

2072
01:41:15,240 --> 01:41:18,840
Speaker 2: his parents was making himself drugs. And when my dad

2073
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:21,280
Speaker 2: saw these, say, ain't that your means this is like

2074
01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:24,679
Speaker 2: fifth grade? Fifth sixth grade? I said, damn. My dad

2075
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:28,280
Speaker 2: was right, like he wasn't eating school lunch because he

2076
01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 2: didn't want to look poor. We all poor, obviously, it's

2077
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:34,880
Speaker 2: the reason is free. And then when I went to

2078
01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:39,000
Speaker 2: the suburbs. You gotta pay for lunch. Everyone's eating lunch.

2079
01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:41,400
Speaker 2: People are mad that they're not getting you free. I

2080
01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:43,519
Speaker 2: believe that I should have it for free. Why did

2081
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:45,080
Speaker 2: my parents pay come taxes?

2082
01:41:45,160 --> 01:41:45,720
Speaker 3: D DA LA.

2083
01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:50,000
Speaker 2: And I'm just like the mentality is just Unfortunately it's different, bro,

2084
01:41:50,240 --> 01:41:52,760
Speaker 2: Like when you see that kind of thing. That's why

2085
01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:57,640
Speaker 2: I feel like Will smith Man goat not even on

2086
01:41:57,760 --> 01:41:59,920
Speaker 2: no personal life stuff, but just what he was able

2087
01:41:59,960 --> 01:42:03,240
Speaker 2: to accomplish because he was able to see two sides

2088
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:05,400
Speaker 2: of a coin. And like I remember, I told one

2089
01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:07,880
Speaker 2: of my white friends when I was in high school.

2090
01:42:08,680 --> 01:42:11,880
Speaker 2: I was like, I've seen your life. You ain't never

2091
01:42:11,960 --> 01:42:15,280
Speaker 2: seen mine. You probably never will. And he was like, dang,

2092
01:42:16,160 --> 01:42:18,200
Speaker 2: that's real because we were talking about we was arguing

2093
01:42:18,240 --> 01:42:20,040
Speaker 2: about some math stuff. He was trying to like, so

2094
01:42:20,120 --> 01:42:22,439
Speaker 2: I'm like, you should just notice. I'm like, you don't

2095
01:42:22,479 --> 01:42:27,639
Speaker 2: know where I'm from, like experience. I just didn't want

2096
01:42:27,680 --> 01:42:29,720
Speaker 2: to know, like I wasn't taught that. And at the

2097
01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:32,880
Speaker 2: point where I'm at, I gotta get this money, like

2098
01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:35,040
Speaker 2: I gotta. I can't be a bum, I can't be

2099
01:42:35,080 --> 01:42:38,200
Speaker 2: a statistic like my dad. I gotta make my dad,

2100
01:42:38,240 --> 01:42:40,519
Speaker 2: probably got to make my mom proud. It's so many

2101
01:42:40,600 --> 01:42:43,800
Speaker 2: things that come before algebra. Now it's like I have

2102
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:46,120
Speaker 2: to do something with my life. So when I said

2103
01:42:46,160 --> 01:42:49,600
Speaker 2: that to him, I could see on his face that

2104
01:42:49,720 --> 01:42:52,439
Speaker 2: it was like something a veil lifted, like dang, Like

2105
01:42:53,240 --> 01:42:56,479
Speaker 2: I'm at your crib in the suburbs. You would never

2106
01:42:56,640 --> 01:42:59,680
Speaker 2: be where I'm from. You only want to even if

2107
01:42:59,720 --> 01:43:02,240
Speaker 2: I come on down buddy, Like it's cool. They be

2108
01:43:02,280 --> 01:43:04,720
Speaker 2: shooting ship, but like they're not shooting at you. It's

2109
01:43:04,760 --> 01:43:06,000
Speaker 2: like you don't want to come.

2110
01:43:06,360 --> 01:43:07,920
Speaker 1: Nothing is cool. If they shoot in the area.

2111
01:43:08,280 --> 01:43:11,360
Speaker 2: Cool. But when you raised in mad like I was,

2112
01:43:11,479 --> 01:43:13,920
Speaker 2: that was normal. Like we'd be outside playing, blah blah.

2113
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:17,200
Speaker 2: You're not even flinching. When I went back to North

2114
01:43:17,240 --> 01:43:20,080
Speaker 2: Philly not that long ago, wanted to see some one

2115
01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:23,920
Speaker 2: of my people's I'm I'm trying to be humble. I'm

2116
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:26,760
Speaker 2: sleeping on the couch like clock.

2117
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:28,559
Speaker 3: I was like, this is recently.

2118
01:43:29,240 --> 01:43:33,760
Speaker 2: No, it's like two years ago. You can't in there

2119
01:43:33,960 --> 01:43:36,759
Speaker 2: for a little while. And my was only like three months.

2120
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:39,400
Speaker 2: I was separated from that environment.

2121
01:43:39,439 --> 01:43:43,000
Speaker 3: When I say, my heart never raced so fast, man,

2122
01:43:43,080 --> 01:43:45,559
Speaker 3: I said, it's just functional like.

2123
01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:47,720
Speaker 2: That.

2124
01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:50,280
Speaker 3: Once you start paying a certain taxes, you like they

2125
01:43:50,280 --> 01:43:53,240
Speaker 3: should understanding why white.

2126
01:43:53,040 --> 01:43:54,920
Speaker 2: People get mad when you're walk in front of their house.

2127
01:43:56,040 --> 01:44:00,760
Speaker 2: You paying all this money, don't are yelling at people.

2128
01:44:00,800 --> 01:44:03,080
Speaker 2: I was a little poor, poor Asian guy. Man, he's

2129
01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:05,920
Speaker 2: outside of my house. I'm riding up, said you live

2130
01:44:05,960 --> 01:44:09,000
Speaker 2: around here. That's how I was living in lad I'm like,

2131
01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:11,240
Speaker 2: I said, you live around here. He on the phone.

2132
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:13,200
Speaker 2: I said, don't be walking in front of people houses

2133
01:44:13,240 --> 01:44:16,439
Speaker 2: all the guy. Yeah, he was like, oh, I'm so sorry,

2134
01:44:16,479 --> 01:44:19,680
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. I felt like a Karen bro But

2135
01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:21,519
Speaker 2: when you're paying kind of money.

2136
01:44:21,680 --> 01:44:24,559
Speaker 1: And get to New York City. We was all late

2137
01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:27,960
Speaker 1: today because and condolences to the police officer that that died.

2138
01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:30,639
Speaker 1: But there was a big funeral ceremony around where we're recording,

2139
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:33,240
Speaker 1: So everyone was late and I'm I got out my

2140
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:35,439
Speaker 1: car and just walked at that point, and I'm seeing

2141
01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:37,600
Speaker 1: all these police officers and I know how much I

2142
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:39,840
Speaker 1: pay in New York City taxes, and I said, no

2143
01:44:39,960 --> 01:44:41,920
Speaker 1: one of the Bronx and Brooklyn's the war zone. Look

2144
01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:46,000
Speaker 1: at these fat fucks. This is what I'm paying. They

2145
01:44:46,160 --> 01:44:46,880
Speaker 1: can't protect me.

2146
01:44:47,320 --> 01:44:48,479
Speaker 2: They don't look like they've moved.

2147
01:44:50,200 --> 01:44:53,600
Speaker 1: This is where test dollars is going. You can't protect you.

2148
01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:55,960
Speaker 2: A gang.

2149
01:44:56,840 --> 01:44:58,240
Speaker 1: They were limping down the street.

2150
01:44:58,520 --> 01:45:01,120
Speaker 3: That's what happens when you start in that braket, you

2151
01:45:01,200 --> 01:45:03,120
Speaker 3: start paying them taxes, you start looking.

2152
01:45:04,520 --> 01:45:07,240
Speaker 1: Money seven potholes. And now I'm looking at a cop

2153
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:10,040
Speaker 1: that can't walk. Where is this money going? But look,

2154
01:45:10,160 --> 01:45:11,000
Speaker 1: pre the.

2155
01:45:11,080 --> 01:45:12,160
Speaker 2: Money were fine.

2156
01:45:12,479 --> 01:45:15,200
Speaker 3: We don't understand anything. I don't know why they're profiling me.

2157
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:18,960
Speaker 3: What it's like, Wait, sir, do you live in this building?

2158
01:45:19,080 --> 01:45:20,000
Speaker 3: I'm asking white people?

2159
01:45:20,360 --> 01:45:20,880
Speaker 2: I remember what.

2160
01:45:23,560 --> 01:45:23,960
Speaker 3: She knows.

2161
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:28,320
Speaker 2: There's these people sitting in my lobby. They're all white.

2162
01:45:28,600 --> 01:45:29,040
Speaker 3: Oh man.

2163
01:45:29,160 --> 01:45:30,080
Speaker 2: I was like, y'all live here?

2164
01:45:30,200 --> 01:45:34,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, now it's my turn to get y'all.

2165
01:45:34,920 --> 01:45:36,720
Speaker 2: They looked at me in the strangest way, like they

2166
01:45:36,840 --> 01:45:39,360
Speaker 2: just didn't have to respond, and I was like, dang,

2167
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:42,439
Speaker 2: I understand them exactly. I get it, like you just

2168
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:47,040
Speaker 2: protective about your space and environment where it's like when

2169
01:45:47,040 --> 01:45:49,760
Speaker 2: you're not really you know what I'm saying you And

2170
01:45:49,960 --> 01:45:53,880
Speaker 2: most of the time, unfortunately, my friends who dibbled and

2171
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:57,600
Speaker 2: dabbled in crime may be the screaming the loudest about injustice.

2172
01:45:57,640 --> 01:46:01,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, you are criminals. You don't have paid you

2173
01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:06,160
Speaker 2: don't get the pull card I do. They're not PROFI

2174
01:46:07,080 --> 01:46:10,000
Speaker 2: It's like they got me though. It's like, but you

2175
01:46:10,280 --> 01:46:12,920
Speaker 2: know your I get it. They cheating the game.

2176
01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:16,880
Speaker 1: But you ship you know, you know, I gotta buy

2177
01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:17,439
Speaker 1: six ventleyes.

2178
01:46:19,080 --> 01:46:22,160
Speaker 2: There you go, you go listen, Leader but leads alone.

2179
01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:25,200
Speaker 2: Get y'all good for one k or something like that.

2180
01:46:25,439 --> 01:46:28,599
Speaker 1: It ain't just materialistic ship n as far as that perception,

2181
01:46:29,240 --> 01:46:30,840
Speaker 1: I know a bunch of dudes just trying to fuck

2182
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:33,759
Speaker 1: the most trash bitches ever just because that's the perception

2183
01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:35,439
Speaker 1: of what they think they should dollars.

2184
01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:37,720
Speaker 2: Just leave them one hundred dollars like the.

2185
01:46:40,280 --> 01:46:44,320
Speaker 1: Advance by. It's all right, let me go fuck the

2186
01:46:44,439 --> 01:46:47,599
Speaker 1: trash chick that everyone's fucked in the club, because that's

2187
01:46:47,720 --> 01:46:49,719
Speaker 1: what I saw was the trophy.

2188
01:46:50,120 --> 01:46:53,280
Speaker 3: And it's like dogs, our culture is so crazy, bro,

2189
01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:57,080
Speaker 3: is see I say that, I'm like, I don't want

2190
01:46:57,120 --> 01:46:57,759
Speaker 3: offend nobody.

2191
01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:00,600
Speaker 1: I mean it's the same. It's the same things that

2192
01:47:01,640 --> 01:47:03,960
Speaker 1: I'm You think you find a fulfillment and some ship

2193
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:05,000
Speaker 1: that's not really fulfilling.

2194
01:47:05,320 --> 01:47:07,920
Speaker 2: Yo. Let me let it's not just RB guy in

2195
01:47:07,960 --> 01:47:09,760
Speaker 2: the room. Let me just say that there's nothing more

2196
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:13,720
Speaker 2: fulfilling than love, bro, nothing more fulfilling than love and

2197
01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:18,519
Speaker 2: love like James, like when somebody love you for all

2198
01:47:18,600 --> 01:47:21,479
Speaker 2: the good and bad of a person that you are

2199
01:47:21,680 --> 01:47:24,479
Speaker 2: and they don't mean you a criminal word nothing, but

2200
01:47:24,600 --> 01:47:26,320
Speaker 2: it's just like we all got our things. You know

2201
01:47:26,320 --> 01:47:28,160
Speaker 2: what I'm saying you might leave your socks on the floor.

2202
01:47:28,320 --> 01:47:32,680
Speaker 2: Somebody I accept you. It's like, all right that it's

2203
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:36,639
Speaker 2: nothing more warm and fulfilling than that. That's more than money,

2204
01:47:37,400 --> 01:47:40,160
Speaker 2: more than everything. No, listen, we got demons over here

2205
01:47:41,160 --> 01:47:49,920
Speaker 2: to tell y'all. It's like, no, listen, as a person,

2206
01:47:50,080 --> 01:47:52,479
Speaker 2: things come with a human being, and when someone really

2207
01:47:52,560 --> 01:47:55,760
Speaker 2: loves you back, it's nothing like that. Like, and I

2208
01:47:55,840 --> 01:48:00,560
Speaker 2: feel like a lot of dudes, especially now in R

2209
01:48:00,600 --> 01:48:03,360
Speaker 2: and B, everybody hard. You're not hard. You wasn't getting

2210
01:48:03,400 --> 01:48:10,719
Speaker 2: no girls, number one, number two, no money. That's facts.

2211
01:48:11,120 --> 01:48:14,120
Speaker 2: Let's look at your texting. You had zero income probably

2212
01:48:14,520 --> 01:48:16,920
Speaker 2: most of you guys out there. And it's not no.

2213
01:48:17,160 --> 01:48:20,479
Speaker 2: This it's not a disc it's a it's a it's

2214
01:48:20,479 --> 01:48:22,440
Speaker 2: a delibery.

2215
01:48:23,680 --> 01:48:23,720
Speaker 1: No.

2216
01:48:23,840 --> 01:48:27,400
Speaker 2: But listen, I'm talking trash. But that's me, is my life,

2217
01:48:28,040 --> 01:48:29,680
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like if I had, if

2218
01:48:29,680 --> 01:48:32,000
Speaker 2: I if I wanted to get a girl, I'm gonna

2219
01:48:32,080 --> 01:48:36,040
Speaker 2: make you laugh so hard, I'm gonna charm you. I

2220
01:48:36,200 --> 01:48:38,360
Speaker 2: wasn't just walking in nowhere and people been like, oh

2221
01:48:38,479 --> 01:48:42,240
Speaker 2: my god, look at him. Like no, I'm a regular guy.

2222
01:48:42,840 --> 01:48:45,040
Speaker 2: So it's like when people get into the industry, they

2223
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:48,320
Speaker 2: start feeling themselves a certain way, and then you gonna

2224
01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:50,920
Speaker 2: get humbled. You know what I'm saying, Because when you're

2225
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:52,920
Speaker 2: not that guy no more, you feel that when you're

2226
01:48:52,920 --> 01:48:56,040
Speaker 2: sitting in your room in your mansion, you needn't talk

2227
01:48:56,080 --> 01:48:58,519
Speaker 2: about me no more. You think I'm so hard, Yo,

2228
01:48:58,640 --> 01:49:00,280
Speaker 2: I don't know. My label told me he could have

2229
01:49:00,360 --> 01:49:03,360
Speaker 2: dropped me. Dog, I don't know they cheated me anyway.

2230
01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:06,599
Speaker 2: I was. I heard, like listen, Rory was saying about

2231
01:49:06,720 --> 01:49:08,679
Speaker 2: like how they be getting the money.

2232
01:49:11,439 --> 01:49:15,519
Speaker 3: Don't add me into his No, I'm just saying, like this,

2233
01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:19,080
Speaker 3: how people start thinking when they make a bad decision,

2234
01:49:19,200 --> 01:49:21,479
Speaker 3: A lot of bad decision because we all make bad decisions.

2235
01:49:21,479 --> 01:49:24,280
Speaker 3: But it's like we just compile bad decision on bad decisions.

2236
01:49:24,479 --> 01:49:27,240
Speaker 3: It's like, Yo, you don't have to portray being hard

2237
01:49:27,320 --> 01:49:32,439
Speaker 3: with girls. You didn't get girls. That's okay. Most we

2238
01:49:32,600 --> 01:49:35,040
Speaker 3: all know and we know about the girl you with

2239
01:49:35,360 --> 01:49:39,479
Speaker 3: now versus the girls you was with your first baby mother,

2240
01:49:39,680 --> 01:49:42,240
Speaker 3: your first baby mother, And that's fine. They first want

2241
01:49:42,240 --> 01:49:42,839
Speaker 3: to be terrible.

2242
01:49:43,320 --> 01:49:46,280
Speaker 2: You'd be like, I'll be cracking out with my girl like.

2243
01:49:47,880 --> 01:49:50,000
Speaker 1: Sevenaire.

2244
01:49:50,160 --> 01:49:53,200
Speaker 2: It'd be bad. But I think like for a lot

2245
01:49:53,240 --> 01:49:55,200
Speaker 2: of dudes, especially in the R and B space. I

2246
01:49:55,280 --> 01:49:57,639
Speaker 2: can't speak on rappers and telling them to do nothing different,

2247
01:49:58,000 --> 01:50:00,760
Speaker 2: but we gotta stop pretending. And even for the guys,

2248
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:03,639
Speaker 2: if you always got girls, that's dope. It's a few

2249
01:50:03,680 --> 01:50:06,400
Speaker 2: of us. And when I say us, I'm not the

2250
01:50:06,439 --> 01:50:08,320
Speaker 2: guy who was getting hundreds of girls. He was a

2251
01:50:08,360 --> 01:50:10,360
Speaker 2: virgin until you met your I was a virgin time

2252
01:50:10,520 --> 01:50:14,439
Speaker 2: and my girl appreciate that you. So it's a few guys. Yeah,

2253
01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:17,439
Speaker 2: but let them be authentic. That's my thing, is like

2254
01:50:17,560 --> 01:50:22,240
Speaker 2: authenticity is dying. People are not comfortable being them, Like

2255
01:50:22,400 --> 01:50:25,600
Speaker 2: be comfortable being and who didn't get no girls? And

2256
01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:29,479
Speaker 2: now you do respect those girls, show them a good

2257
01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:33,360
Speaker 2: time because it's fun. Women are fun. Unless you don't

2258
01:50:33,439 --> 01:50:35,920
Speaker 2: like women in that way, that's cool. But if you do,

2259
01:50:36,280 --> 01:50:38,360
Speaker 2: it's cool. Have a good time, go out to dinner.

2260
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:39,800
Speaker 2: Every girl's not a whore.

2261
01:50:40,479 --> 01:50:44,800
Speaker 3: Every girl's not A majority of them are not. They

2262
01:50:44,880 --> 01:50:47,000
Speaker 3: don't even understand a lot of it. They're like girls

2263
01:50:47,080 --> 01:50:52,120
Speaker 3: just throwing their body. It's like, yeah, maybe they like me,

2264
01:50:52,479 --> 01:50:53,840
Speaker 3: even maybe you're you're a star.

2265
01:50:54,120 --> 01:50:56,760
Speaker 1: Even the dudes with money and status, if you leave

2266
01:50:56,840 --> 01:50:59,000
Speaker 1: with just being yourself and then they find out you

2267
01:50:59,080 --> 01:51:02,040
Speaker 1: have money and status. They looking at you like, wait,

2268
01:51:02,240 --> 01:51:03,640
Speaker 1: what hold on?

2269
01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:09,400
Speaker 2: He was cool before. When you lead with money, when

2270
01:51:09,439 --> 01:51:11,760
Speaker 2: you leave with money, that's usually what you're gonna lose,

2271
01:51:11,800 --> 01:51:15,160
Speaker 2: and you look nobody cares about. That's my thing. I'm

2272
01:51:15,200 --> 01:51:17,439
Speaker 2: trying to destroy it. Like looking cool or looking corny,

2273
01:51:17,800 --> 01:51:20,800
Speaker 2: you are yourself. Everybody got their advantages. If you play

2274
01:51:20,880 --> 01:51:24,240
Speaker 2: basketball and you can't thunk, you're gonna obviously lay it up.

2275
01:51:24,760 --> 01:51:27,120
Speaker 2: It's not many. Or you're gonna shoot what you're gonna say,

2276
01:51:27,760 --> 01:51:33,440
Speaker 2: Oh he doing shoot? Yeah, I'm gonna drain you buckets.

2277
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:36,880
Speaker 2: Like so it's like if somebody got bread and that's

2278
01:51:36,960 --> 01:51:40,120
Speaker 2: their thing to get the shorty, Yo, what she want,

2279
01:51:41,000 --> 01:51:42,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give it to it. That's not corny. It's

2280
01:51:42,720 --> 01:51:44,320
Speaker 2: corny if you do it, because that's not you.

2281
01:51:45,240 --> 01:51:46,639
Speaker 1: But I still think it's corny.

2282
01:51:46,960 --> 01:51:48,680
Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying. It's not you. So if

2283
01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:52,080
Speaker 2: I ever heard you doing it like, that's corny. I'm saying.

2284
01:51:52,080 --> 01:51:54,400
Speaker 1: Even if that's you, I think that's not no corn

2285
01:51:54,600 --> 01:51:58,120
Speaker 1: We too far in connection of that ship. But see

2286
01:51:58,200 --> 01:52:01,560
Speaker 1: that's what you start with this. You don't love, no,

2287
01:52:01,760 --> 01:52:03,960
Speaker 1: but everybody's version of love is different.

2288
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:06,040
Speaker 2: My version of that can't be mine. I don't want

2289
01:52:06,040 --> 01:52:07,960
Speaker 2: to try too much Trumba. I need to feel like

2290
01:52:08,040 --> 01:52:08,920
Speaker 2: you really love.

2291
01:52:08,880 --> 01:52:13,960
Speaker 1: Me, love me. I'm the exact same way trans love.

2292
01:52:14,439 --> 01:52:16,760
Speaker 1: I can do transactional fun. And I'm not even saying it.

2293
01:52:16,840 --> 01:52:20,559
Speaker 1: But I'm not paid for sex. But I'm saying transactional, like.

2294
01:52:20,600 --> 01:52:22,960
Speaker 2: We don't incriminate yourself. Is that illegal?

2295
01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:27,240
Speaker 1: I've never done it. I'm just but I'm saying transactional.

2296
01:52:28,800 --> 01:52:30,760
Speaker 3: You get locked up your money.

2297
01:52:30,840 --> 01:52:32,840
Speaker 2: I couldn't. I couldn't just take that hat they said

2298
01:52:32,920 --> 01:52:37,240
Speaker 2: on display, like no, call your parents to come pick

2299
01:52:37,320 --> 01:52:40,400
Speaker 2: you up. That feel like this is right? See in

2300
01:52:40,439 --> 01:52:42,600
Speaker 2: my head, I was thinking the whole time, actually that

2301
01:52:42,760 --> 01:52:46,840
Speaker 2: pink one is. I have my eye on that little

2302
01:52:47,600 --> 01:52:49,120
Speaker 2: I was going to ask, you know, church people we

2303
01:52:49,240 --> 01:52:52,920
Speaker 2: asked have a hoodie? We don't take it. We were like,

2304
01:52:53,000 --> 01:52:56,560
Speaker 2: oh man, there was some nice sneakers you gotah.

2305
01:52:56,560 --> 01:53:00,559
Speaker 1: I think I want me to have ties and innocence. Anyways,

2306
01:53:00,760 --> 01:53:03,040
Speaker 1: this was a great Episodemaric is gonna get us out

2307
01:53:03,080 --> 01:53:03,280
Speaker 1: of here.

2308
01:53:05,040 --> 01:53:06,639
Speaker 3: I love the fact that we sat here and spoke

2309
01:53:06,680 --> 01:53:08,680
Speaker 3: and mentioned nothing about the project you just put out.

2310
01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:09,840
Speaker 1: I told you, I just wanted to talk.

2311
01:53:11,400 --> 01:53:14,599
Speaker 2: I'm not concerned about but I'm trying to love your craft,

2312
01:53:14,680 --> 01:53:15,240
Speaker 2: love your art.

2313
01:53:15,280 --> 01:53:16,800
Speaker 3: I think you're super dope. I love the fact that

2314
01:53:16,920 --> 01:53:19,200
Speaker 3: you know who you are. You're very self aware, You're

2315
01:53:19,240 --> 01:53:21,160
Speaker 3: not trying to be nobody else. I dig all of

2316
01:53:21,200 --> 01:53:22,200
Speaker 3: this ship. This ship is super fly.

2317
01:53:22,880 --> 01:53:29,719
Speaker 2: This cash Field though a black designer. My god, Warrell war.

2318
01:53:31,160 --> 01:53:31,760
Speaker 1: That's a good knick.

2319
01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:32,599
Speaker 2: We rare. I'm sorry.

2320
01:53:32,960 --> 01:53:33,760
Speaker 3: Good pens on there.

2321
01:53:33,800 --> 01:53:35,320
Speaker 2: I see you. You're putting it together.

2322
01:53:35,439 --> 01:53:38,679
Speaker 1: It's about accessories. No, men gotta figure out accessories.

2323
01:53:38,920 --> 01:53:40,640
Speaker 3: We do, Yeah, we don't know, not accessoriz We're good with.

2324
01:53:40,720 --> 01:53:42,519
Speaker 1: Pens though pins should be men's accessories.

2325
01:53:42,520 --> 01:53:44,040
Speaker 2: I feel like I think every man, you just gotta

2326
01:53:44,080 --> 01:53:46,599
Speaker 2: do your vibe. Whatever your vibe is, it will always

2327
01:53:46,640 --> 01:53:49,320
Speaker 2: be authentic. Like if I was this wasn't my vibe,

2328
01:53:49,360 --> 01:53:50,840
Speaker 2: my girl would like because she was like, you're not

2329
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:53,560
Speaker 2: being you, right, she see me, She's like, are you

2330
01:53:53,640 --> 01:53:55,400
Speaker 2: a baby? That's you? I like that.

2331
01:53:57,280 --> 01:53:59,840
Speaker 1: I've definitely been there because that's the best part about

2332
01:54:00,200 --> 01:54:03,240
Speaker 1: like a girl. That's really your walk out, Like yo.

2333
01:54:03,400 --> 01:54:05,880
Speaker 2: Did she just hard or so? Like did she well?

2334
01:54:05,960 --> 01:54:08,240
Speaker 2: I am listening, I'm testing.

2335
01:54:10,880 --> 01:54:13,559
Speaker 1: I'm in a weird transitional time about life. We didn't

2336
01:54:13,560 --> 01:54:16,479
Speaker 1: even got to go with that said, it's amazing when

2337
01:54:16,520 --> 01:54:20,559
Speaker 1: you have a partner male, female, whatever, that will be like, hey,

2338
01:54:20,880 --> 01:54:23,439
Speaker 1: that's not you. Take that that ship may look cool

2339
01:54:23,479 --> 01:54:25,160
Speaker 1: to somebody else, that ain't you.

2340
01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:28,559
Speaker 3: You look you look stupid as fun. That's what you know, y'all,

2341
01:54:29,120 --> 01:54:29,719
Speaker 3: you look stupid.

2342
01:54:29,800 --> 01:54:31,720
Speaker 2: Take that off. I like that.

2343
01:54:32,400 --> 01:54:34,760
Speaker 3: But yeah, man, I'm just it's a pleasure to meet you. Man,

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01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:36,680
Speaker 3: I'm a fan. I love I love what you're doing.

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01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:37,240
Speaker 2: Thank you.

2346
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:39,240
Speaker 3: And we got a hoodie for you. We got to

2347
01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:39,640
Speaker 3: have for you.

2348
01:54:40,040 --> 01:54:41,400
Speaker 2: Let's go. I like free stuff.

2349
01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:45,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I don't know you're rich you got cash?

2350
01:54:46,040 --> 01:54:47,040
Speaker 2: Who told you I was rich?

2351
01:54:47,240 --> 01:54:47,280
Speaker 1: You?

2352
01:54:48,440 --> 01:54:51,960
Speaker 2: I mean seven minutes I implied. I never said that.

2353
01:54:52,120 --> 01:54:54,360
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I'm not I'm not a nurse.

2354
01:54:54,760 --> 01:54:57,400
Speaker 1: Team of this entire episode, allegedly coming up soon.

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01:54:57,400 --> 01:55:03,160
Speaker 2: Shows No, I actually just finished my tour like last month. Yeah,

2356
01:55:03,200 --> 01:55:05,240
Speaker 2: it was crazy. It was a vibe. I think I'm

2357
01:55:05,240 --> 01:55:06,080
Speaker 2: going to Asia.

2358
01:55:05,960 --> 01:55:10,720
Speaker 1: Like in a couple of months, Spain, a big continent. Listen,

2359
01:55:10,800 --> 01:55:12,600
Speaker 1: you said it like he was he was going to Cleveland.

2360
01:55:12,760 --> 01:55:15,640
Speaker 2: No, because I'm going to multiple places in Asia. So

2361
01:55:15,720 --> 01:55:17,920
Speaker 2: it's kind of I can't say like eat, well, I could.

2362
01:55:17,880 --> 01:55:19,840
Speaker 1: But I'm going to the world.

2363
01:55:20,280 --> 01:55:23,120
Speaker 2: Know you have some fire fire merch and I'm always

2364
01:55:23,160 --> 01:55:26,040
Speaker 2: getting better, like I'm trying to actually build my brand

2365
01:55:26,120 --> 01:55:29,520
Speaker 2: to like where eventually these kind of things that I

2366
01:55:29,680 --> 01:55:30,240
Speaker 2: like come up with.

2367
01:55:30,440 --> 01:55:34,960
Speaker 3: If you start giving card against me were getting cash,

2368
01:55:36,160 --> 01:55:36,880
Speaker 3: we got to start talking.

2369
01:55:37,200 --> 01:55:41,400
Speaker 2: Guy told me he gave me the price, said, is

2370
01:55:41,480 --> 01:55:43,640
Speaker 2: that is that like the rush order price or is

2371
01:55:43,680 --> 01:55:47,040
Speaker 2: like the normal price? You like, it's cash there, baby,

2372
01:55:47,160 --> 01:55:47,760
Speaker 2: that's the price.

2373
01:55:47,840 --> 01:55:48,320
Speaker 3: That's the price.

2374
01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:50,480
Speaker 2: I said, damn no, you know what, I ain't gonna

2375
01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:52,080
Speaker 2: ask for discount because I don't like when people ask

2376
01:55:52,160 --> 01:55:52,440
Speaker 2: me for what.

2377
01:55:52,960 --> 01:55:54,960
Speaker 1: I was putting together the merchanip for the album and

2378
01:55:55,040 --> 01:55:57,000
Speaker 1: I wanted to do this nice ass fleece, like a

2379
01:55:57,080 --> 01:55:58,800
Speaker 1: real fucking fleece, and I was like, I only do

2380
01:55:58,960 --> 01:56:00,880
Speaker 1: like I do, like fi the of them. Whenever I

2381
01:56:01,080 --> 01:56:03,320
Speaker 1: saw that price to do it even a break even,

2382
01:56:03,720 --> 01:56:07,200
Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, our listeners pay like twenty files

2383
01:56:07,200 --> 01:56:09,400
Speaker 1: for a T shirt. They're not buying this two fifty.

2384
01:56:10,520 --> 01:56:13,880
Speaker 3: But they all though the consumer market is.

2385
01:56:14,040 --> 01:56:16,520
Speaker 1: Different than quality. But I just couldn't.

2386
01:56:19,160 --> 01:56:21,480
Speaker 2: Because it's like, dang, if I got this shirt that

2387
01:56:21,680 --> 01:56:24,560
Speaker 2: paid what an X amount for and the margins are better.

2388
01:56:24,800 --> 01:56:26,920
Speaker 2: It's like cool. So if they end up sitting for

2389
01:56:26,960 --> 01:56:29,880
Speaker 2: a little while, it's fine. But you spend one hundred

2390
01:56:29,960 --> 01:56:35,360
Speaker 2: grand old like forty jackets, you're like dang, yeah, and

2391
01:56:35,400 --> 01:56:39,680
Speaker 2: then you have to sell these. If you selling them

2392
01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:41,800
Speaker 2: with CDs, like the Bulls in New York, they'd.

2393
01:56:41,640 --> 01:56:46,080
Speaker 3: Be like, yo, I got these c's, I got these

2394
01:56:47,080 --> 01:56:49,120
Speaker 3: like let the Jacket center listen.

2395
01:56:49,160 --> 01:56:51,400
Speaker 2: I'll take anything, bitcoin, cash up whatever.

2396
01:56:52,040 --> 01:56:54,360
Speaker 1: Well, this was, this was good. I was gonna get

2397
01:56:54,360 --> 01:56:56,400
Speaker 1: to the record you and I have, but we could

2398
01:56:56,440 --> 01:56:56,720
Speaker 1: say that.

2399
01:56:57,280 --> 01:57:00,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's say you actually gonna put out the don't

2400
01:57:00,200 --> 01:57:04,800
Speaker 2: do that. I've been sitting on that. I've been like,

2401
01:57:05,000 --> 01:57:06,960
Speaker 2: oh my god, I've been wanting to come out bro,

2402
01:57:07,320 --> 01:57:09,560
Speaker 2: and I really like you, Like, well, it's a.

2403
01:57:09,680 --> 01:57:12,440
Speaker 1: Vibe everything we talked about with the label situation I

2404
01:57:12,480 --> 01:57:13,840
Speaker 1: had to get out of. I didn't want to waste

2405
01:57:13,880 --> 01:57:15,840
Speaker 1: that ship. Now we'll make more money.

2406
01:57:17,360 --> 01:57:21,600
Speaker 2: Listen, listen. If you're creative, be one side creative, one

2407
01:57:21,680 --> 01:57:25,360
Speaker 2: side that money will make. You're gonna be fine.

2408
01:57:25,960 --> 01:57:28,920
Speaker 1: We sat on this record, but it's a good record.

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01:57:28,960 --> 01:57:30,000
Speaker 2: It's a great record.

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01:57:30,600 --> 01:57:31,800
Speaker 1: All you're good at outros.

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01:57:31,840 --> 01:57:33,360
Speaker 2: I'm not no.

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01:57:33,400 --> 01:57:35,200
Speaker 3: I just think sweats for coming through? Man? Do I

2413
01:57:35,240 --> 01:57:36,160
Speaker 3: have to call you pink sweats?

2414
01:57:36,200 --> 01:57:37,600
Speaker 2: Can I just call you like you can just call

2415
01:57:37,680 --> 01:57:38,680
Speaker 2: me pink or sweats.

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01:57:39,040 --> 01:57:40,000
Speaker 3: I don't want to call you pink.

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01:57:40,360 --> 01:57:42,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah it's a pink. You called me sweats, sweat.

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01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:44,480
Speaker 3: People call me sweats, call you sweat from that one?

2419
01:57:44,720 --> 01:57:45,680
Speaker 3: What sweat?

2420
01:57:45,880 --> 01:57:48,080
Speaker 1: Don't no.

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01:57:50,800 --> 01:57:53,800
Speaker 2: Dollar? Listen, Keith, Sweat is the o G.

2422
01:57:55,200 --> 01:57:58,000
Speaker 3: I appreciate you coming through, man, appreciate y'all man

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01:58:00,240 --> 01:58:01,320
Speaker 2: Woian Nound