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Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, we're back. We're black, We're Brown Ambition.

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Speaker 1: Welcome black Man Drone. Hello.

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Speaker 2: You know what I was just thinking about when you

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Speaker 2: were singing us in is whatever happened to that old

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Speaker 2: Brown Ambition intro from our original first ever Brown Ambition episode,

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Speaker 2: which I actually I dove into the vault of BA episodes.

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Speaker 2: It was kind of like finding an old yearbook photo

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Speaker 2: or like awkward, just like reading your old your old

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Speaker 2: diary from high school is kind of what it felt like.

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Speaker 2: And on that first Brown Ambition episode, maybe I was

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Speaker 2: just feeling nostalgic because we're coming up on our six

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Speaker 2: year but we had the cutest little intro and I

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Speaker 2: kind of want to bring it back.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I heard it and I was like,

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Speaker 1: what was Mandy talking about?

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Speaker 2: You mean the song we did like a I'm Tiffany,

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Speaker 2: I'm Mandy and this is Brian Ambition. We were all

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Speaker 2: in sync.

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Speaker 1: We wrote a little script, Oh did we well? O?

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Speaker 1: Way we could try it. We could let people. We

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Speaker 1: can ask the people if they.

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Speaker 2: Like it, we can ask anyway. It just brought me

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Speaker 2: back where we were so young that I.

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Speaker 1: Do remember, like I did listen because you told me

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Speaker 1: to listen to it. So I listened. I was like,

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Speaker 1: all we were all talking about I was I think

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Speaker 1: I said like my boyfriend, which I was like, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: you said the same, and you were like, I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure if I would have kids right now. I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: look at baby Manager and Tiffany.

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Speaker 2: Our first episode was called something about baby Limbo.

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Speaker 1: We were both we were yeah so much. Remember. I

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Speaker 1: was like, Mandy, where did you get good underwear from?

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Speaker 1: I remember that Pannies. Yes, your panny confession. You're like, girl,

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Speaker 1: you can go to Marshalls and get good under I

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Speaker 1: was like, this is true.

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Speaker 2: No, no, I don't actually recommend Marshals. No, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: I don't like underwear that lots of peoples both yeah, no, no, no, Fanny,

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Speaker 2: you know. Ah man, So what's I'm actually in Saint

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Speaker 2: Louis right now. I survived a fifteen hour which Google

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Speaker 2: Map said fifteen hour. But what I came to find

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Speaker 2: out is that to get to travel that fifteen hour distance,

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Speaker 2: it takes like twenty five hours in toddler when you

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Speaker 2: have a toddler in the car. When you have a

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Speaker 2: toddler in a tesla, the double teas Toddler in Tesla.

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Speaker 2: Tesla means you have to stop to charge every two hours,

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Speaker 2: and I'm not even gonna play. It's a little inconvenient.

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Speaker 2: I feel like if we had a gas car, we

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Speaker 2: wouldn't have had to stop every every two hours. But

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Speaker 2: of course, like Husby has this fancy app that tells

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Speaker 2: him exactly how much to charge. So it wasn't like

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Speaker 2: we're gonna go fill up the tank at the Tesla charge.

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Speaker 2: You need to like these charging stations along the way.

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Speaker 2: You have to like plan your trip that way. But

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Speaker 2: it was like he was very specific, as we're going

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Speaker 2: to stop for fifteen minutes here to get a twenty

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Speaker 2: percent you know boost, and then we're going to really

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Speaker 2: fill up, you know, ninety minutes down the road. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna stay here for twenty five minutes to get the

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Speaker 2: full one hundred percent. And it was just so I swear,

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Speaker 2: I mean, but look, we survived. He's like, we're here,

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Speaker 2: marriage is intact, the baby's alive, Rio is alive. Have

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Speaker 2: you ever done a road trip that long before?

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Speaker 1: I had, well, not not fifteen hours, but me and

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Speaker 1: my husband and Supergirl we drove to Roanoke, Virginia for

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Speaker 1: his best friend's wedding. Let's just say we got there

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Speaker 1: and I immediately almost got back in the Carter's robe

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Speaker 1: home because the nerve he was working. Literally, I was like,

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Speaker 1: he said something. I drove and he said something. I

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Speaker 1: tell you, Mandy. If it had not been a nine

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Speaker 1: But I was like, were you gonna call Tiffany? And

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Speaker 1: I was like, because I said what, Okay, you know what?

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Speaker 1: And I was really thinking about it. I was like,

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Speaker 2: I was gonna do anything. I was so pissed, but

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Speaker 2: I was so I had. I had such a hard

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Speaker 2: I don't know if we're going to survive this road trip.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know why I said yes to this,

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Speaker 2: And I even post on ig asking people for their tips,

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Speaker 2: and I got a lot of like, girl, you in trouble.

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Speaker 1: I would have to say, honestly, the actual driving was

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Speaker 1: where the Ladies of the Night bring their gentlemen callers literally, Mandy,

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Speaker 1: we drove up and there was someone crawling out of

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Speaker 1: just like you know, like Superman had like an anurism

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Speaker 1: So I pull up. We see someone crawling out of

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Speaker 2: Were they injured?

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Speaker 1: No, it was clearly like, hey, I finished doing whatever

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, wait a minute. The room. I didn't

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Speaker 1: is this. I don't know. When I tell you, Mandy,

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Speaker 1: it was you like we were sleeping in the hallway,

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Speaker 1: because you can you can hear someone coughing in the hallway.

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Speaker 1: It was just I just remember thinking, like and I said,

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Speaker 1: did you check the reviews?

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Speaker 2: So he was like, I.

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Speaker 1: Guess he was embarrassed, so he got mad. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I know you. I know you're not mad at me

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Speaker 1: because you got us in the Roach motel. So I

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Speaker 1: was so pissed because one out of draw nine hours

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Speaker 1: two you got into the Roach motel. Thankfully, his best

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Speaker 1: friend on Walie, his wife, like she was super like,

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Speaker 1: I said, girl, I don't even She was like, you

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Speaker 1: Within two minutes she had us in a really nice hotel,

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Speaker 1: like two beds and like yeah. So it was just

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Speaker 1: but when I tell you, I was this close to

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Speaker 1: like being like you know what, I'm driving back, but

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Speaker 1: how I don't have nine more hours in me? But yeah,

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Speaker 1: So later he apologized, was like I was embarrassed. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: I'm like whatever.

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Speaker 2: I'm all first sorting things priced lowest to highest, but

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Speaker 2: when it comes to hotels, it's gotta be sort by reviews.

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Speaker 2: You can't.

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Speaker 1: We Lowes Howard Johnson, Sir, we could do it, Howard Johnson.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't have to be fancy, but red

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Speaker 1: ru Literally the ladies at the night were looking at

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Speaker 1: us like a family.

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Speaker 2: But they're looking at Supergirl like. I mean, I was like, wait,

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Speaker 2: what's going on here? But oh my god, steps work

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Speaker 2: is work wherever you want, you know.

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Speaker 1: You see what we did for only fans obviously.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they clearly listened to Brown ambition and they

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Speaker 2: want to be feeling our outrage. They were like, we

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Speaker 2: don't want to be Popeyes without the business, you see,

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Speaker 2: without the chickens.

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Speaker 1: No, totally, yeah, I mean that is I mean, I

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Speaker 1: guess they're going to figure that out letting, you know,

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Speaker 1: allowing for that to continue. And here's the thing. Everyone's

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Speaker 1: allowed to set a boundary. If you said on this platform,

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Speaker 1: I don't want certain types of you know, like only

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Speaker 1: fans accounts. That's great, but it just feels very predatory

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Speaker 1: to like build your business off the back of a

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Speaker 1: specific type of account and then once you've grown your

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Speaker 1: name to kick them off, you know, for whatever reason

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Speaker 2: It's just like banning black choreographers.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so it's just.

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Speaker 2: Like hmm, yes, and he's going to create the vice content.

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Speaker 1: Exactly who were you steal from?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Wait did I say that so randomly? So this weekend?

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Speaker 1: Have you heard of invest Fest?

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Speaker 2: I have because I follow the those those gentlemen of

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Speaker 2: Earn Your Leisure.

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Speaker 1: Leisure No so had invited me, but you know, like

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, no, I cannot. I cannot

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Speaker 1: abandon my family in such a short time. But no,

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Speaker 1: it looks so invests Best. If you guys are not

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Speaker 1: familiar it is. It was a I want to say,

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Speaker 1: three day weekend conference that was launched their very first

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Speaker 1: We've been on their show, and Earn Your Leisure is

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Speaker 1: Rashad and Troy and they have a series of podcasts,

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Speaker 1: but their main podcast is like Earn Your Leisure. And

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Speaker 1: was like, oh, now you're fake diversity ploy conference. We

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Speaker 1: don't talk about what you're gonna do because they were

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Speaker 1: actually brown and black people here like at invest Best

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Speaker 1: But it looked honestly amazing. One of my mentees went, so,

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Speaker 1: like day one they had like a lot of like

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Speaker 1: everything sold out. The vendor space sold down, the spaces

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Speaker 1: looked amazing. What really impressed me about INVESTMST one It

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Speaker 1: how when you first do a conference, you know it's

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Speaker 1: It looked amay zing and from what I understand, actually,

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Speaker 1: their podcasts they they do together called market Mondays. I

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Speaker 1: saw people saying, I can't believe you guys planned this

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Speaker 1: be like, y'all didn't play this in two months, did you?

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Speaker 1: Because it looked so tight, professional like, even like the

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Speaker 1: tags that people had, like their your VIP tax, everything

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Speaker 1: was branded beautifully, and I'm like, I know, y'all didn't

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Speaker 1: just want to give, you know, kudos to the guys

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Speaker 1: for creating a very inclusive financial I don't even know

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Speaker 1: if you can call financial. It just it looks like

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Speaker 1: do chores because she only lives here part time, and

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00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 1: I said, well, the part that you live here, you're

431
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 1: doing chores, oh, child Like, so I don't even know. Sometimes,

432
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,440
Speaker 1: I mean, if those of y'all raising teenagers, the financial

433
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 1: component sometimes it's so tricky because obviously Superman and I

434
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 1: in a really good position to be able to provide

435
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,680
Speaker 1: for her, which we do, but it's always like how

436
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 1: much provision do you provide? You know what I mean?

437
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 1: Because I feel like there's a lack of gratefulness there,

438
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 1: only because not because she's some nasty kid, but only

439
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 1: because she doesn't know what it's like not to have,

440
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,639
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So for her, she's like, well,

441
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 1: of course I get these things, of course. So like

442
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,639
Speaker 1: that's really the struggle when it comes to.

443
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 2: Like, I'm obsessed with that entire conversation. I'm obsessed with

444
00:21:55,480 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 2: that problem for parents who had who were from the

445
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 2: class of like for example. Well, first of all, I mean,

446
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 2: I don't think either of us, especially myself. I'll speak

447
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,440
Speaker 2: for myself. I did not grow up poor. We had

448
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 2: times in our life when we had a lot less,

449
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 2: especially post divorce and my mom getting back on her feet.

450
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 2: But I but to that I had less than I

451
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,479
Speaker 2: have now, and I certainly grew up with a lot

452
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 2: more financial insecurity than I hope Rio will have to endure.

453
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 2: But I also credit a lot of my upbringing with

454
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 2: my success. You know the fact that I knew no

455
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 2: one was gonna support and like no one could financially

456
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 2: rescue me when I lost my job, I had to

457
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 2: just like cobble together an income and you know, get

458
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:47,159
Speaker 2: onto the next step. And I'm obsessed with children of

459
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 2: first time financially stable parents. I haven't thought of like

460
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 2: a buzzword for us yet. Yeah no, But how do

461
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 2: you manufacture struggle for them in a way that doesn't

462
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,360
Speaker 2: it doesn't make you, like feel terrible. But she needs

463
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 2: a struggle. I think it just has to be like

464
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 2: an intentional manufacturing of struggle, and in a way that

465
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 2: goes against everything that we want.

466
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: I also don't know and I say this like like

467
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 1: I'm not like we're not the parents that gets like

468
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: like the Jordans and this and that that's not what's happening. Obviously,

469
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 1: she has her own room, you know her, and she's

470
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 1: got the only cause of her. The bathroom is not

471
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 1: huge in her in her in her room, but whoever

472
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: lived there before created like this cute, small little en suite.

473
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: And so this is the first time, like since we

474
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 1: moved here because where we lived before she didn't have

475
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: her own room. So she got her own room. Well,

476
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: she had her own room, but not her own bathroom

477
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: inside her own room. And I wouldn't say, like, you know,

478
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: she doesn't. It's not that she's like you know, I mean,

479
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: certainly she's got more than I'm gotten, but like I

480
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 1: don't buy the Jordans and like the Puma or something.

481
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: I mean, her parents sometimes do, but I don't even

482
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: know if it's an excess. I just don't think that.

483
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 1: I mean, I just always knew as a kid we

484
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 1: didn't have it, you know what I mean. Like I

485
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: can't remember, honestly senior year wanting like a senior jacket.

486
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: And I didn't even ask my mom because I knew

487
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: we didn't have it. I remember having decided having did

488
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: this because senior year in high school, you know, you

489
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 1: have all these activities and they were like six of them,

490
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 1: and I literally knowing that I could choose one, you know,

491
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: and so thinking like, she doesn't have to think of

492
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: those things, and so I don't. I honestly don't know

493
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: how to like manufacture struggle honestly because obviously it's not working.

494
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 2: But mean, I struggle every day. I struggle with her upstairs.

495
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 1: But she I will say this that that day, which

496
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 1: is very mature of her. This is without prodding from

497
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: her father. She wrote me like a really beautiful letter apologizing.

498
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: She like is like, I know, I can't imagine how

499
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,239
Speaker 1: hard it is to raise someone else's child. I was like, oh,

500
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: look at her, you know. And she was like, you know,

501
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: you didn't deserve that because you've always been kind, because

502
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: I'm always like her advocate and you've always been kind. No,

503
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 1: it's been and good thing is about our relationship, is

504
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: she and like I spoke to her after that happened.

505
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: I called her mother, and she and her mother we

506
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 1: have always had a really great relationship. So she was like, oh,

507
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: hello girl, She's like, I always tell her, that's not

508
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: the one you want a problem with TIV. It's always

509
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:13,479
Speaker 1: in your corner.

510
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 2: I am.

511
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: I'm usually like no, so, man, I think you wrong

512
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,959
Speaker 1: on this one. And so she's like, so we had

513
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: like so that was the good thing about it is that,

514
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: like I wasn't worried about what is her mother gonna say,

515
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: cause we had a really great talk and she gave

516
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: me some great feedback of some things I can do,

517
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: and like, you know, she's apologized right away. But that

518
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 1: is the struggle. I'm not gonna lie because she doesn't struggle,

519
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 1: and it's very difficult to manufacture that. I mean, I

520
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: don't feel like we overindulge, but we don't underindulge in

521
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: some places. And I'm like, we ought to. I'm gonna

522
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: see if he's gonna stick to not paying for the

523
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's the thing too. You can't just say

524
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna pay for the party and then pay

525
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 1: for the party. Yeah, you know, so if I would,

526
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: this is what I would think. This is what I

527
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: think is probably gonna be better, is that I will

528
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 1: match what you put up because she works like she does,

529
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: like side jobs and stuff, so that might be better.

530
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: Like the other day she broke her she got a

531
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 1: computer for her birthday because she needed quarantine. And she

532
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: asked me, like a few days ago, she got a

533
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: computer for her birthday, like two years ago. She asked me, like, Tiffany,

534
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: do we still have insurance on the computer? I'm like, why,

535
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: She said, well, according to Apple, it looks like there

536
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: was some pressure put on it. I'm like, it looks like, oh,

537
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 1: you sad on it. Like what are we saying here?

538
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 1: She was like, so, I'm guessing we don't have insurance.

539
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 1: I'm like, I was like, did you break your computer? Mean,

540
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: it's either yes or no. Sis, you're the only one

541
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,479
Speaker 1: that uses your computer. So that's that cost a few

542
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: hundred bucks to fix. And we told her, like, you

543
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: have to pay for that, you know that, you know, certainly,

544
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: like you know, at least half of it, because she

545
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: has to learn. So you're raising kids, especially has it

546
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: relates to money, especially if you're not struggling financially, certainly

547
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: is like this thing because I don't want to, you know,

548
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: there's a reason why, Like super and I are not, like,

549
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, we're not all wild with our money because

550
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: we know like what it's like not to have, and

551
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: so I just worry that she's going to live like

552
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: foolishly because she doesn't know what it's not. She doesn't

553
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: know what it's like not to have.

554
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 2: So yeah, well I got no answers for you, but

555
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 2: I don't. I'm upset. Well, you should have answers for me,

556
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: because you're ahead of the game.

557
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: And that's how tweet us. Tweet us at the BA

558
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: podcast if you've got some suggestions, please, Lord, Like, we

559
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: can't take the door again. He could almost put it

560
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: back on again. He was like, I don't know how

561
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: to put this back up.

562
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 2: How do you manufacture struggle so that they cause the

563
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 2: thing is you either. It kind of goes back to

564
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: the whole idea of like we did not get spankings

565
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: that often. I would say I didn't really get spanked

566
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: after I was like five, but in Black Household it

567
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: was very common to grow up that way, and you

568
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 2: know a lot and especially like black boys. And I

569
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 2: think I was reading in Tanahasse Coates's book Between the

570
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 2: World and Me where he's talking about his dad explaining

571
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: why he's doing it, and it's kind of like to

572
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 2: prepare you either I beat you or the world will

573
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 2: because it's really you know, it's very it can be

574
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 2: really dangerous out there, and it's it's not that I mean,

575
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 2: I don't believe in in like physical punishment. I think

576
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 2: that there's plenty of studies at show that does not

577
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 2: actually do what you think is doing. I agree, but

578
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 2: it's almost like I do think that there is something

579
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: to be said for if you do not prepare them

580
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: financially to take to like no one will. We all

581
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 2: know you're not going to get the education in school

582
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 2: unless you live somewhere where the budget neeste laws and

583
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 2: effect you, or you know they're not going to get

584
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 2: it in college. And do you really want to wait

585
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 2: for the next like economic downturn for them to fall

586
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: on their butts? You know? I do think that there

587
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: are things that we can do to to not to

588
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 2: manufacture struggle in like a negative sense, but to give

589
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: them opportunities to rise, like to give them opportunities to

590
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: prove that you can trust them or that they can

591
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 2: be trusted, and to win as much as they may

592
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 2: struggle financially, Like I'll never forget buying my prom dress

593
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 2: for senior year and just paying for that dress. It

594
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 2: was like two hundred and something dollars. I think I

595
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: got it out of a catalog. I felt so rewarding

596
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 2: to me, and I think that it wasn't like my

597
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: mom punished me but asked me to pay for it.

598
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: But I don't know, giving them opportunities to like to

599
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: rise to the occasion, Yeah, that can really and I don't.

600
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: I don't want Rio to go out into the world

601
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: and not know how to bounce back.

602
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he gets that's his blood, you know. So

603
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, girl, we about to have a birthday

604
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: party with no place, no neck is.

605
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 2: No food, no maybe she'll have an amazing birthday. And

606
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: she'd be like, you know what, I realized, you don't

607
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: need very You don't.

608
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: Need that much outside. That's all we provide is outside.

609
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

610
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: Thankfully she doesn't listen to the podcast.

611
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 2: She'd be like, look how different the conversation is six

612
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 2: years later. Look at with our real live humans, our

613
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: guinea pigs.

614
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: Well, do you want to boost? Do you want to break?

615
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: Because now it's time to boost or break or boost

616
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: or brown boost a brown breaking. You know what was

617
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: so crazy in the beginning. I think we only used

618
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: to do brown break. In the beginning, remember, yeah.

619
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 2: We called it something different. It was like brown brilliance.

620
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 2: Was it a positive one?

621
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and then brown break.

622
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 2: And then I think we just became we were like

623
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: we never do brilliance. We just always want to break.

624
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: I don't know because yes, no, because I remember, because

625
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: we was that that that that, you know, the administration

626
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: that shall not be named. I think we were having

627
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: such a hard time we were like, we need some positivity.

628
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: So we added like, let's we need to be boosting

629
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: as well.

630
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: So yeah, we went negative, then back to positive. But

631
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: I think we all ended up where we need to.

632
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: It was just very bizarre to read the old We

633
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: were so organized in the beginning. Someone was just our

634
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 2: producer Sarah was like, yeah, it'd be nice to know

635
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: like show topics and advance.

636
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: I was like, but we'll let you know what we know.

637
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,959
Speaker 2: Whatever whatever strikes us. But yeah, So I have actually

638
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: a few options because I've been taking I've been like

639
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: writing down things, trying to get back in the habit.

640
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: I found my special Brown Ambition notebook.

641
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: Nice it's got at that. Look at that.

642
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little chocolate. I wish I could never please

643
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 2: I'm a blonde roast. We all know that. Anyway, Tiffany's

644
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: an espresso AnyWho. What was I saying? I have like

645
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: crazy road trip brain, So a couple of things. I

646
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: want to take a break. Here's what I'm gonna do.

647
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna choose this one. I want to

648
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 2: take a break from college degrees. We kind of towed

649
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: around this a little bit when we had my financial

650
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: planner Helen on the show a few months back. We

651
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 2: were talking about the importance of saving for your children

652
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 2: and one of the tried and ways of saving for

653
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 2: your child is a five to nine college savings plan.

654
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 2: And at the time Helen was helping me kind of

655
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 2: see beyond, like you know, college is not the only

656
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: measure of success. And I think the next generation, like

657
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: Rio's generation, will grow up in a different world where

658
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 2: you know, we don't equate college degrees and college education

659
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: as a pathway to success as much as is a

660
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 2: pathway to the depths of debt, because it can be

661
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: I mean not always, but it can often lead to

662
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: so much debt for nothing because you may realize you

663
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: don't want to study what you studied. You may have

664
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: gone into school too quickly, maybe you should have taken

665
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 2: a gap year to like find yourself or whatnot. Anyway,

666
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: so we brought that up then, and I think the

667
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: pandemic has even further for me driven home the fact

668
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 2: that the societal pressure on having a college degree is

669
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: actually can sometimes hurt more than it helps. And the

670
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: specific thing that I want to talk about for my

671
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: break was how it hurts job applicants, because still to

672
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Speaker 2: this day, most it feels like job applications they have

673
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 2: like it's like there's you have dozens and dozens of

674
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Speaker 2: hundreds of resumes coming in, and I've seen it because

675
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 2: I've been on the hiring side, and you have this software.

676
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 2: You have software that you can use or tools that

677
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: you can use to weed out applicants based on keywords,

678
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 2: and you may, for example, weed out anyone that doesn't

679
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: include the word degree, or anyone that doesn't include bachelor

680
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 2: or whatever in there, or doesn't check a box saying

681
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 2: that they've completed higher education, college or higher And the

682
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: problem is that so many jobs, like for example, my cousin,

683
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: who I don't think would even be upset by me

684
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 2: mentioning this, she has been living with me since February

685
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: she's been my personal assistant slash nanny south slash O

686
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 2: pair up until July and when Rio started daycare. And

687
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 2: Anna is halfway through well she's like three quarters of

688
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 2: her way through a healthcare administration degree. Okay, she is

689
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 2: so freaking smart, can do anything. Is so like emotionally

690
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: intelligent and mature for her age.

691
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: And this woman has applied dozens of.

692
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Speaker 2: Jobs and with all of my career advice and all

693
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 2: of my resume, she hasn't gotten any jobs. And she's

694
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Speaker 2: been looking for like administrative assistant positions. You know, she's

695
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: studying healthcare administration. So we've been you know, I even

696
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 2: like was like go to this this place where I

697
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: get my group on laser laser hair removal and see

698
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Speaker 2: if they want see if they need an admin.

699
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Speaker 1: You've been looking for admin.

700
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 2: So but listen, Okay, not the kind of admin where

701
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 2: like she's schedules sing. She's not so good at that.

702
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 2: But like, you know, FA, I believe me, I would

703
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 2: have referred her to you.

704
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 1: Tis that girl looking for admin. But I'm like, okay,

705
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: she would.

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Speaker 2: Be my brown ambition admin. Okay, anyway, but she's got

707
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 2: these qualifications. But we just know it's because she hasn't

708
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 2: finished her degree. And literally in the job market today,

709
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 2: where there's such a shortage of labor, you know, a

710
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 2: shortage of labor and huge demand for at the same time,

711
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 2: it just seems like antiquated that people are potentially passing

712
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 2: up candidates based on something that is a little bit arbitrary. So, like,

713
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 2: I see the importance of education obviously, you know, college degree,

714
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 2: especially if it's in a field that's tied to the

715
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: job that you're applying for, it can't indicate that you

716
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: have some preparation for the role. But for jobs that

717
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 2: you can really learn on the job, you know, assistant roles,

718
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 2: like there are plenty of jobs where you don't really

719
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 2: need someone who has job experience. You need someone who

720
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 2: is who has all the qualities that Anna has that

721
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: are not easily put on a resume, like knows how

722
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 2: to handle conflict, knows how to juggle multiple tasks at once.

723
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 2: You know, it is intuitive about people's needs without needing

724
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 2: to be told, like these are things that you just

725
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: can't teach, you know. And so I brought that up

726
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 2: because I was listening to another podcast, Planet Money The Indicator,

727
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 2: which is good, and they featured college degrees, and they

728
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: actually interviewed someone who used to work for the Obama

729
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: administration and he now works for this organization that I

730
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: hadn't heard of called Opportunity Work, which is actually a

731
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 2: nonprofit that helps people who don't have college degrees find better,

732
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 2: more meaningful employment. Anyway, So that's that's my break, and

733
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 2: it's very frustrating to me. And I would say, if

734
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 2: you're in a position of hiring, you know, really look

735
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 2: at your job. Even ask your HR reps when they're

736
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 2: recruiting for roles, you know, what are your how are

737
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: you filtering out candidates? What are you really looking for?

738
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: And actually ask yourself if you need to put Bachelor

739
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 2: of Arts required for certain roles, because you could be

740
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: you could really be excluding a lot of people. You know,

741
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 2: a lot of people. I think something like more than

742
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 2: half the country doesn't even have a college degree. So

743
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: it's not even a black, brown, white issue, it's just

744
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 2: an everybody issue. But yeah, stay in school and all

745
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: that college is great, but it can't be the only

746
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 2: requirement for a job.

747
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: I agree, so a few things. One but that's why

748
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: I did. I don't have five twenty nine plans for

749
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: the kids in my life. I have what does that

750
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: thing called custodio plans, So it's just me. You know,

751
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: I'm missing out, yes on the tax benefit, but it's

752
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: basically I get to set aside money. I get to

753
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: let the money grow, but at the end you get

754
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: to decide how you want to use it. Because my

755
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: nieces and my nephew most of them are under the

756
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: age of six, well all of them are under the

757
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: age of six, and although Supergirl is fourteen, still you

758
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: just don't know, like where you know, life is going ahead.

759
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: So that's one.

760
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 2: Two.

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00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: Shout out to John Lye. She listens to Brown ambitions.

762
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 1: She's been on my team for the last like four years.

763
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: She was like, I applied to be Mandy, to be

764
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: coached by Mandy. She's even try to use your name

765
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: to be like, you know, I work with the budget list.

766
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 1: She said that I was just talking about John Elyse

767
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: on like last Friday or whatever. She was like, she

768
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: didn't choose, not done choosing. That's not true. I have

769
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: my own system.

770
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: I haven't weeded anyone out, but I sorted them in

771
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: a certain way. The earlier you applied and the sooner

772
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: you said you wanted to switch jobs. That is that's

773
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: how I prioritize. I'm only.

774
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: As you still got you love I finally all the

775
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: things that Mandy's doing online. She was like, first of all,

776
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: she has been listening to Brown Ambition from the very

777
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: literally episode one, and so she is like a huge fan.

778
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: She's like, oh my god, I love Mandy. I can't

779
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: believe she finally left. I felt like she was like,

780
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: it was so crazy the way she was starting about you, like,

781
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: can you believe she finally left corporate? That is real

782
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: crazy because I know.

783
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: I'm like you are fans fourteen she said she wouldn't.

784
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: And then third, a woman emailed me today. I was

785
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: on this podcast with I forget Tory's last name, of

786
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: her her first her first one hundred K. It's called

787
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 1: Financial Faneminist, and we talked about like the wealth gap,

788
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: and a woman emailed me after hearing me on that

789
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: podcast and said, I am a white woman. I am

790
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: in Portland, Maine, and I have a bakery and it's

791
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: getting larger. And I heard what you said about people

792
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: making an effort to really like be make their hiring

793
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: practices more accessible to other people. And she was like,

794
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: I want to do that. I don't know how, and

795
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: so I gave her some suggestions, and one of them

796
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: was that almost every profession has a black or brown

797
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: association attached to it, Like there's the Black Association of Accountants,

798
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: a Black Association of you know, I don't know, like

799
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: you know Manicuria. Yes, And I told her you can

800
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: find the Black Association of Bakers. I promise you that

801
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: there is, and then you can reach out to them

802
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: and say, hey, are you know I'm I'm interviewing and

803
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: I would like to be inclusive in my interviewing and

804
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: you know where could I find folks where I am?

805
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: So I just thought that that was, like, you know,

806
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: like that that is a way that you can be inclusive,

807
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: because I think a lot of people think too when

808
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: they're hiring black or brown, that you're doing somebody a favor. No, sis,

809
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: you're not. You are you are doing yourself a favor

810
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: because you're looking for qualified applicants in a wider pool.

811
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: You're not doing like I guess you can come on

812
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: with your you know, non professional self now. And so

813
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: like that was like, you know, that's something I wrote

814
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: to her to make sure that she understands that you're

815
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: bringing folks on because they are highly qualified. But the

816
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: blessing is you get a wider pool of people that

817
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: you get to lean into. So that's it. But and

818
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: my boost is actually really fast. My boost is just

819
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: like your girl's gonna be a Target.

820
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: I was just in there and I was book the

821
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Speaker 2: other day. I thought, you Target, this is amazing.

822
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 1: So Target, if any, I mean, first of all, I

823
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: love Target. I'm wearing like Target tights right now. I

824
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,919
Speaker 1: think the shortage from Target Target right, I love Target.

825
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: You go in there and literally just smile. You're like,

826
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: it's my happy place. And I wanted to be in

827
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: Target from the very beginning with Gega with Money my

828
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: my new New York Times bestseller. But the thing about

829
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: Target is, you know, Target is not a bookstore. So

830
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: if you ever go to the Target book section, I

831
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: mean it's like two half shelves, you.

832
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: Know, so there are only bestsellers basically, and some romance

833
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: novels exactly.

834
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: And then so what you'll see more heavily. Sometimes you'll

835
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: see kids books there because it like it lends himself

836
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: to that. But the truth is Target doesn't have a

837
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 1: huge book section because it's not a bookstore. So it's

838
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: not easy getting into Target, not by a long shot,

839
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 1: even if you have a bestseller, cause they're like, sis,

840
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: there are maybe there might be two hundred best sellers.

841
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: We can't put two hundred books out here. But they

842
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: reached out to my publisher was like, we're doing this

843
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: like wellness like component for September and we want to

844
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: showcase get it with money because we think it's part

845
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 1: of like well I was like, not targ show. So

846
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: if you want to see me acting a full I suggest.

847
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: So my content team was like, Tiffany, we need you

848
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 1: to go to Target and take some videos and pictures.

849
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: And I'm like, it's not in there yet. They're like, yeah,

850
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: we need ahead of time. So I packed five of

851
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: my books into my bag. I dragged one of my besties,

852
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: Cabral I said We're going to Target and act a fool.

853
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: He's like what, I'm like, just come. So I put

854
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: my books on the shelf and at first we were

855
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: taking pictures, but that seems a little too boring. I

856
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: was like, I feel like it's not reading Target. What

857
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: is iconic Target the cart So at my big age,

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Speaker 1: I climbed into the Yes, I climbed into the cart

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Speaker 1: and I asked a poor stock boy who looked like,

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Speaker 1: please don't get me fired. I was like, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to need you to push me pack past this section

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Speaker 1: of books while he takes a boomerang, and so he's like,

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Speaker 1: as long as my manager doesn't see. So if you

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Speaker 1: want to see my target shenanigans, go to my Instagram

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Speaker 1: page to a budgetissa And you know I don't post

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Speaker 1: a whole lot, so it should be within the first

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Speaker 1: few posts that you can see me inside the target

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Speaker 1: cart just acting crazy. And so by September, by the

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Speaker 1: time this comes out on Wednesday, it should be in

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Speaker 1: your Target stores. I'm going to go see obviously, and

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Speaker 1: if it's in New Jersey, I'm going to go to

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Speaker 1: a few of the Target stores do like mini meetups

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Speaker 1: in the aisles. So I'll just let you guys know

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Speaker 1: when the time cometh. So yeah, I'm just excited.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that is so freaking amazing.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy?

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Speaker 2: It is the gift that keeps on giving. The long tail.

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Speaker 2: It was not just like a one hit wonder. It

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Speaker 2: feels like we're it got all the buzz and everyone

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Speaker 2: got it because you're on GMA, but it clearly is

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Speaker 2: still having an impact, which is just feel like, if

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Speaker 2: you're only gonna do the one which you say, you know.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we'll see. But if I'm gonna do the one

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Speaker 1: I wanted.

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Speaker 2: To be after I pushed that baby out of mine

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Speaker 2: own Vagina by two said that would be it. But

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Speaker 2: just recently, just recently, I have been feeling pangs that

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Speaker 2: I never thought my body would. I was like you

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Speaker 2: and me, we agree never again. But I'm just saying,

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Speaker 2: if it's anything like having a baby, you might you

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Speaker 2: might be.

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Speaker 1: Thinking I know it too.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you, little Sole often. See what happened?

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Speaker 1: All right, y'all? That is the shizzle. We hope that

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Speaker 1: you enjoyed as per huge. Don't forget that this show

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Speaker 1: is not just for you. Don't be selfish. You to

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Speaker 1: take this link and put in that group chat sis,

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Speaker 1: email it to your friend, send it to your sister,

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Speaker 1: your mother, your brother, your cousin. Literally the link of

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Speaker 1: the show. If you got your life, you know they

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Speaker 1: will too.

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Speaker 2: And these two friends about at least two can do that.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, if we have.

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Speaker 2: A lot of new listeners, it feels like go to

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Speaker 2: Apple or wherever you listen to podcasts, leave us a

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Speaker 2: five star review if you're feeling you know, feeling generous.

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Speaker 2: If it's anything less than five, you can just go

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Speaker 2: to the fridge and grab a snack because maybe you

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Speaker 2: just need to Maybe you just need a quick snack

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Speaker 2: and a stretch, and then go leave me five start

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Speaker 2: and don't forget. Friday is our b a QA.

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Speaker 1: Yes, if you have a question taking your questions, Yes,

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Speaker 1: you could d m us on Instagram. What is on

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Speaker 1: Ambition podcast on? It's no brand and vision.

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Speaker 2: You know, on the very first episode of the show,

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Speaker 2: you couldn't name the email address and I had to

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Speaker 2: fill it in and I was like, if there's one

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Speaker 2: thing we're consistent, it is at brand Ambission podcast on IG.

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Speaker 2: But earlier, do you just pull out our Twitter handle

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Speaker 2: like for the first time, you know, we knew that

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Speaker 2: little nugget was in there.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes things just come up. I mean my brain, my

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Speaker 1: brain will will tweet a little, just turn on and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my gosh, she's here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So we'll see you guys Friday, and stay tuned

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Speaker 2: to IG because we are going to be putting out

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Speaker 2: a special invitation to some very lucky Brand Ambision listeners

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Speaker 2: who may get to join us on an upcoming episode

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Speaker 2: live in our virtual studio audience, So stay tuned if

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Speaker 2: you want to enter. Maybe she'll Jotta Lee. Was that

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Speaker 2: her name? Jott lese Jattalyse Data stutt Lest, Maybe she'll

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Speaker 2: get into the she'll work that budget Easter name, and

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Speaker 2: maybe producer Sarah will get her to the VIP access.

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Speaker 1: All right, y'all, until next time. See you on Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: but then also on Friday for b a q A

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Speaker 1: see You