1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is the Fantasy 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: Football Podcast. It is be Joey p Joe Pizapia, and 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: today we're continuing our early ranks debate series, this time 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: talking quarterbacks, talking tight ends, and we're talking with Andrew 5 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: Erickson and then Jake Sealey from the Athletic The Boys. 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: Are gonna talk about the expert consensus rankings on Fantasy Pros. 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: You get check out right now at fantasypros dot com. 8 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: Slash rankings. Isn't that easy to remember? And we're gonna 9 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: have some debates who's too high, who's too low, and 10 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: talk about where we're gonna move these pieces around as 11 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: we start contemplating twenty twenty six. And don't forget make 12 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: sure you subscribe to the channel here on Fantasy Pros 13 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 1: for the NFL stuff, and of course our new Dynasty 14 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: channel's out as well, so subscribe to that feed. 15 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 2: Also. 16 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: When you get a chance, gentlemen, let's jump into the 17 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: ranks here and at number one, no surprise, at quarterback 18 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,959 Speaker 1: it is Josh Allen, number two, Drake May number three, 19 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. Personally, I think I'd still flip those. I'll 20 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: still put a healthy Lamar Jackson at number two, but 21 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: that's just me. Joe Burrow comes in at four. In 22 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: Tier two, Jaden Daniel, Jalen Hurts at six and number 23 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: seven is Jackson Dart interesting because you have Dart, Daniels, 24 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: Burrow all kinds of injury risks there in that same tier. 25 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: And then tier three you have Justin Herbert at eight, 26 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence at nine, Kleb Williams at ten, brock Perty 27 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: at eleven, and Dak Prescott at twelve. So Andrew Ericson, 28 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: let's start with you. Let's talk a little bit about 29 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts because he is ranked at six and that 30 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 1: tier I mentioned all the guys that have injury issues, Well, 31 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts, it's pretty much out there every single game. 32 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 2: You know, it's say two years ago. 33 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: He did miss a little bit of time there for 34 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett, but you've got him at QB nine. So 35 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: why the difference of opinion. 36 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 3: I am concerned about the upside case with Jalen Hurts 37 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 3: as he's now going in closer to this middle tier 38 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 3: because we haven't really seen him be the elite guy 39 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 3: that he was in the earlier parts of his fantasy career, 40 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 3: he's been QB eight and back to back season, so 41 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 3: that's not a bad ranking. But when you're looking for 42 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 3: how do I get the maximum return on my fantasy quarterback, 43 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 3: it's you have to draft the Josh Allen type of season. 44 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 3: So you take him as one of the first corpus 45 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 3: off the board and he scores the most points, or 46 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 3: you take a player like a Drake May who has 47 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 3: a monster leap and finishes the top five quarterback as 48 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 3: a late round option. So last year he was QB 49 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 3: seven in points per game nineteen point one, but he 50 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 3: was under twenty fantasy points per game. When I'm looking 51 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 3: for drafting an elite quarterback, I need to be hitting 52 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 3: at least twenty fantasy points per game to feel like 53 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,559 Speaker 3: I'm actually getting some type of advantage. With the Eagles, 54 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 3: this infrastructure concerns me greatly. We have another new offensive 55 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 3: coordinator coming in Sean Manyon after a long search because 56 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 3: nobody wanted to be the offensive coordinator for the Philadelphia Eagles, 57 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 3: and I think that the way that Jalen Hurts plays 58 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 3: quarterback plays a big role in that. What is the 59 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 3: status of this offensive line lane? Johnson's is he going 60 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 3: to come back. Landon Dickerson is Muller retirement. Jeff Stotlin 61 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 3: the offensive line coach, he's gone. Cam Jurgens is getting 62 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 3: stem cell treatment. I'm very concerned about what the blocking 63 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 3: is going to look like for Jalen Hurts. AJ Brown 64 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 3: is he coming back. I don't think losing him necessarily 65 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 3: helps Jalen Hurts fantasy production because of how efficient AJ 66 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 3: Brown is else guards a free agent, So just a 67 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 3: lot of question marks for a player that if he 68 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 3: does the exact same thing, Yeah, maybe he can finish 69 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 3: in this type of range, but where you have to 70 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 3: take him relative to the other positions. I think it's 71 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 3: much better to go with a late run quarterback approach. 72 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 3: That's why I have a guy like Cale Williams ranked 73 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 3: ahead of Jaalen Hurts because I think hell Williams has 74 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 3: really strong upside case at a fraction of the cost 75 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 3: taking another step in Ben Johnson's offense. So that's why 76 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 3: I have Jalen Hurts ranked as QB nine. 77 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: Now, Jake, you've got difference of opinion too. You've got 78 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, who's ranked at four ranked at six. Again, 79 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: it's not a huge jump here, but in terms of 80 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: the big quarterbacks, everything does matter and everything does count here. 81 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: So why a little bit more concern with Joe Burrow. 82 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: Is it just the amount of mistime the last few years. 83 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 4: No, it's just I'm going for runners. I mean, I 84 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 4: have Alan Lamar May Daniels as my top four healthy 85 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 4: Daniels with a new offensive system where we don't run 86 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 4: the same thing back, and once the NFL figures you're out, 87 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 4: you're like, well, that was my game plan. 88 00:03:59,000 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: I have nothing else now. 89 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 4: So hopefully we see more from Cliff Kingsbury being able 90 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 4: to sit under a system and learn that you need 91 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 4: more than just quick tempo every single play. So those 92 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 4: are all runners, and then we might as well loop 93 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 4: it into the conversation. I'm completely on the other side 94 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 4: as ericson, because twenty one fantasy points per game just 95 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 4: the previous season, which was top five twenty one the 96 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 4: previous season top five was actually top three that year. 97 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 4: It's every single year except for last year. So if 98 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 4: you do which maybe Andrew's right, maybe they just repeat 99 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 4: last year. Because one of the big things that will 100 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 4: agree on the concern is the offensive line, because that's 101 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 4: also partly why the toush push wasn't as successful. It 102 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 4: wasn't just the fact that they were giving Goddard snaps 103 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 4: and tricking people, which kudos to them. It was the 104 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 4: fact that the offensive line had legit questions. You know, 105 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 4: no Kelsey after a second year of him being gone, 106 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 4: and now the Lane Johnson injuries and the concerns like that. 107 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 4: So I agree that the offensive line is warranted, but I 108 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 4: would still go Jalen Hurts, who has been a much 109 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 4: better passer over the past two of his full healthy seasons, 110 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 4: and his two full healthy seasons again twenty one Fantasy 111 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 4: points per game. So if he just runs a little 112 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 4: bit more, get some of those touchdowns, he doesn't need 113 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 4: fourteen and sixteen. He just needs to get back to 114 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 4: eleven or twelve. But if you don't want to play 115 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 4: that risk, I understand it. 116 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 2: But that's why. 117 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 4: Because Joe Burrow needs to do ninety nine percent of 118 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 4: it passing for him to get twenty one fantacy points 119 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 4: per game. Jalen Hurst just needs this much of a 120 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 4: bounce back to get twenty one fancy points per game. 121 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 4: So that's why Burrow. 122 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 2: I love Burrow. 123 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 4: I actually took him in one of the stack league, 124 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 4: which all those big names for charity and killed me. 125 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 4: And I was so ticked off because I was like, 126 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 4: you know what, Joe Burrow, it's an industry league. 127 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 2: Screw you guys. 128 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 4: I'm taking Joe Burrow because he's still there in the 129 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 4: sixth round and that went to crap. So he's at six. 130 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 4: It just has to do with the names in front 131 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 4: of him. Nothing against Joe Burrow, No, that's fair. 132 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about Justin Herbert because there's a 133 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: difference of opinion here because the CCR has to eight 134 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 1: and Andrew you've got him at six. Obviously, new offensive 135 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: coordinator Mike McDaniel comes to the town here. Maran Hampton, 136 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: A healthy season would go a long way too, and 137 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: some healthy tackles would be nice. So if you get 138 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: all those pieces right, I mean, Justin Herbert at six, 139 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: I don't think is a tough argument. 140 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 3: Andrew twenty four fantasy points for a game in five 141 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 3: games played with Joe alt in twenty twenty five. I 142 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 3: think that getting a infrastructure around Justin Herbert where he 143 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 3: has an offensive line that's actually going to keep him 144 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 3: up right, I think that makes all the difference. And 145 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 3: I don't necessarily expect him to repeat career highs in 146 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 3: terms of rushing yards and carries, but it's still part 147 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 3: of his skill set, right. He has mobility, He can 148 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 3: use his legs as a weapon. Mike McDaniel has not 149 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 3: seen that from a quarterback in Miami. So I just 150 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 3: like the pairing with McDaniel going to Los Angeles with 151 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 3: Justin Herbert with these weapons, with the healthy offensive line. 152 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 3: I think that he has a really high ceiling. So 153 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 3: that's why I have him QB six. 154 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 2: All right. 155 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: Now, you don't have MCQB six, Jake, and you don't 156 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: have him where the ECR has him at eight either, 157 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: you've got him at ten. 158 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,679 Speaker 2: So here we go again. Why do you hate Justin. 159 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 4: Herbert Because people already put him in the Hall of 160 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 4: Fame after two years in the NFL. 161 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: That's all. After those two ridiculus. 162 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 4: This year is where he's throwing six hundred and almost 163 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 4: seven hundred times. And that's where my argument pushback is. 164 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 4: It has nothing to do with what Andrews said, because 165 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 4: it's right, But he just came off the best year 166 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 4: since those two years at seventeen point eight Fantasy points 167 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 4: per game, QB ten and fantasy points per game, which 168 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 4: is right where I have him. I think he's gonna 169 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 4: be fine, But I think for every potential increase in efficiency, 170 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 4: even with a healthy offensive line with Mike McDaniel, you 171 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 4: go back to the show that you and I just 172 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 4: did with Lakwan Joe, and my concern with Mike McDaniel 173 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 4: is you're not getting plays. The problem is, like it's 174 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 4: all the running, it's the grinding out the clocks, some 175 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 4: of the slowest pace added to what already went from 176 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 4: the Chargers before Harrball were top twelve pace offense and 177 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 4: they dropped to twenty fifth twenty sixth, and that's a 178 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 4: huge drop. And now you're adding Mike McDaniel, who bleeds 179 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 4: the clock, bleeds the clock, runs the ball. 180 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 2: Doesn't have a lot of quick plays. 181 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 4: And now would you be surprised if this is like 182 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 4: the thirty first play per team league, Like that's are 183 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 4: plays per game. So that's just my biggest concern is 184 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 4: that I don't think he's going to improve on the 185 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 4: five hundred, five hundred and ten pass attempts that we 186 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 4: saw from the past two years. Maybe the efficiency gets up, 187 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 4: but for somebody that needs to get thirty thirty five 188 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 4: touchdowns to get to where Andrew has him. I just 189 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 4: I also want the four thousand plus yards, and I 190 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 4: just don't think this is what they need him to do. 191 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: All right, let's go ahead and talk about guys outside 192 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: of the top twelve. Patrick Mahomes at thirteen, By the way, 193 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: it's amazing, But obviously, even with that injury that he's 194 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: at thirteen, I wouldn't have him there because I don't 195 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: think he's going to be ready for quite some time. 196 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 2: We'll see everyone's always so often missing. 197 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 4: Why would you stash a quarterback like that unless you 198 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 4: have an IRS spot. 199 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: Well, look, I mean this is super Flex rankings too, 200 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: and then super Flex rankings. I would not take him 201 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: as a thirteenth overall quarterback coming off an injury. 202 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 2: I'm not waiting. 203 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 4: I'd actually rather take him as single and stash him 204 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 4: than super flex. 205 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: Yes, I agree with that one percent, one hundred percent, 206 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: because you're not talking about need. You're talking about just 207 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: bonus time if it comes back, and then eventually, maybe 208 00:08:58,080 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: by the end of November it looks good again. 209 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 2: He got him for the playoff runt. That's a totally 210 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: differ on super Flex. 211 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 4: The thirteenth quarterback you're taking in the third round anyway, 212 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 4: So then top of. 213 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: That, yeah, well, forget that, all right, let's talk about 214 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford at number fourteen at Tier four, bow Nicks 215 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: at fifteen. Again, no matter how many points Bonneck scores, 216 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: because he doesn't do it for four quarters. Everybody just 217 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: hates bon Necks. That's fine, it's fair. Jordan Love at sixteen, 218 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: Jared Goff at seventeen, then Baker Mayfield at eighteen, Tyler 219 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: Shuck at nineteen, c J. Stroud at twenty, Milik Wills 220 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: at twenty one, and then you've got Sam Darnold, Kyler Murray, 221 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: and Cam Ward. We'll see where Kyler Murray ends up 222 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: playing his football in twenty twenty six. So let's start 223 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: here with Baker Mayfield. Andrew he is ECR of eighteen, 224 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: but you've got him at fourteen. Obviously, injuries had a 225 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: big part to do with some of the second half 226 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: decline of Baker Mayfield. But for the first six weeks, 227 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: this guy was looking like an MVP, and maybe some 228 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: people forgot that. 229 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of what I'm looking at with Mayfield 230 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 3: weeks one through eleven. So we eve Ben expanding it 231 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 3: a little bit more. He was QB ten eighteen point 232 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 3: five points game. Now, I didn't draft Baker Mayfield at 233 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 3: all last year, and that's because I was his outlier 234 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 3: passing touchdown rate, and I felt like an idiot to 235 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 3: the first month of the season because he was on 236 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 3: fire and I'm like, Okay, he's gonna do it all 237 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 3: over again. And that was with you know, Mike Evans 238 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 3: was playing through injuries. But again after Week twelve, that's 239 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:16,079 Speaker 3: when he got hurt and he I think that was 240 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 3: with the shoulder injury where it basically it looked like 241 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 3: he wasn't even to play the next week, ends up 242 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 3: shooting up anyway, fourteen point two points per game in 243 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 3: the last seven weeks. The Buccaneers, as we all saw, 244 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 3: just completely fell apart. They were favored every single game. 245 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 3: Every single week they lost, they blew the chance at 246 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 3: winning the division. So I just think that with better 247 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 3: injury luck, I think that he's a logical bounce back candidate. Obviously, 248 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 3: like Mike Evans to return, I think that would dig 249 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 3: him a little bit. If Mike Evans does not come 250 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 3: back to the Tampa Buccaneers, he's going to explore free agency, 251 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 3: but I don't know. I still think Mike Evans is 252 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 3: a lifer and true through to Tampa Bay. And I mean, 253 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 3: who wants to pay that income tax elsewhere? 254 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 2: Florida? 255 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 3: Baby, it's nice and sun. Do you really want to 256 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 3: go for you really want to go to Buffalo and 257 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 3: freeze outside? Like trust me lives in New England where 258 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 3: it's cold in winter. I would rather be in Florida. 259 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 3: So I think Baker Mayfield again adds a little bit 260 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 3: as a rusher that he's seen the last couple of years. 261 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 3: I don't like that the new offensive coordinator again. But 262 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,719 Speaker 3: Zach Robinson I think did some nice things in his 263 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 3: time with Atlanta. So Mayfield, for me, I think, is 264 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 3: that's why I'm able to hire all. 265 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 2: Right, So Jake c J. 266 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: Stroud is at ECR of twenty but you've got him 267 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: at twenty five, so not even in that second tier. 268 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 2: So you're really crushing c J. Stroud. 269 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: Now, he did have some bad offensive line play around 270 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: him obviously again this year if he's ever had good 271 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: offensive lines since he's been in the league. So if 272 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: they addressed that a little bit, will that help your 273 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,599 Speaker 1: your fears of c J. Stroud or usually something that 274 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: you're really just off of him altogether because you've got 275 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: him as a third quarterback basically in super flexeh, because. 276 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 2: He's been nothing. 277 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 4: But his rookie season was fine and eighteen point two, 278 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 4: but that was a QB two and the past two 279 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 4: seasons thirteen and fourteen point nine fantasy points per game. 280 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 4: His bounce back season was fourteen point nine fantasy points 281 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 4: per game. And anybody out there listening can do the 282 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 4: same thing I've done and make apologies for and I'm 283 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 4: coming for you. So but the offensive line is wide, 284 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 4: receivers not staying healthy, the offensive game plan hacked. No, no, no, 285 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 4: it's just like I've done the same thing. There's been 286 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 4: various reasons where you could say, you know what, have 287 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 4: we seen the best of CJ. 288 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 2: Stroud? 289 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 4: And I think that's a fair question. So I'll give 290 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 4: the different answer in this way and say he reminds 291 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 4: me of slightly more athletic Matt Ryan. So Matt Ryan 292 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:28,719 Speaker 4: needed a freaking offense firing on all cylinders to be 293 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 4: a top ten quarterback, and it happened a few times. 294 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 4: But that's what you need with this type of quarterback. 295 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 4: And that's why he's down here is because even the 296 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 4: best case scenario so far for his career, and that 297 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 4: was three rushing touchdowns. His rookie season, it was eighteen 298 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 4: fancy points per game. That's still not even cracking QB one. 299 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 4: So is he going to throw for four thousand plus 300 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 4: shards and thirty plus touchdowns? The touchdowns haven't been there yet. 301 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 4: The rookie season again still was the career high at 302 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 4: twenty three. Maybe you know, two or three hundreds on 303 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 4: the ground. That's why I say slightly more athletic Matt Ryan, 304 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 4: but he's basically mostly a pure pocket passer him. And 305 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 4: I think that's my biggest thing is I don't want 306 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 4: these quarterbacks down here in fantasy. 307 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,839 Speaker 2: All right, fair enough, fair enough, some good points there 308 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 2: from Jake. 309 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: Let's go to Jordan Love QB sixteen in the ECR Andrew, 310 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: you're a little bit higher. You've got him at QB thirteen. 311 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: So what has to happen for Jordan Love this offseason 312 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 1: in terms of weapons, in terms of offseason for the 313 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: Packers to make you feel better about this ranking just 314 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: outside the top twelve. 315 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 3: They just need to let him throw the ball more. Really, 316 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 3: I think it's really that simple. And that's the thing 317 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 3: that's hard with ranking Jordan Love because when I watch 318 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 3: him play football and I look at some of the 319 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 3: advanced metrics, he's really good. He's a really efficient quarterback 320 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 3: second in the NFL and EPA per dropback. I think 321 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 3: that he plays a quarterback position at one of the 322 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 3: highest levels. But they don't necessarily, the coaching staff has 323 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 3: not really unleashed him in the way that I think 324 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 3: that they potentially could and should. Now we can talk 325 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 3: about should have, would it, could have till the hows 326 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 3: come home. But I like just trying to be open 327 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 3: to buying into quarterbacks I think are really really good. 328 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 3: So last year the Packers were fourth highest in rush rate, 329 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 3: so that's what obviously hurt his fantas appeal. He obviously 330 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 3: lost his number one playmaker in Tucker Craft, which hurt 331 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 3: his overall fantasy numbers seventeen point eight points per game 332 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 3: is QB fourteen. So I just think that there is 333 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 3: a chance that, Okay, we have Jordan Love. He's a 334 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 3: superstar quarterback if he doesn't have to deal with like 335 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 3: another weird injury that seems always happened to mid season 336 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 3: whenever he starts to build momentum and it kind of 337 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 3: derails and then like, all right, let's feed Josh Jacobs 338 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 3: twenty five carries. I mean, did that really work this 339 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 3: past season? I mean, Jacob's kind of hit a wall 340 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 3: a little bit, wasn't as efficient as he's been in 341 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 3: past seasons. 342 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 2: I don't know. 343 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 3: That's kind of how I feel with Jordan Love. It's 344 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 3: not a super bullish take where oh, He's going to 345 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 3: take over Fantasy, but I just want to invest, especially 346 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 3: now in two quarterbacks I think are really good, and 347 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 3: you have a player like Tucker Craft coming back. You 348 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 3: have Matthew Gold entering year two. You have Jade Reed 349 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 3: who will be fully held again. He hasn't had his 350 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 3: full array of weapons. He's like someone's always hurt at 351 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 3: some different points. So that's why I'm just a little 352 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 3: bit higher. QB thirteen. 353 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about uh, let's see, let's go 354 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: to Jordan Love's take here for you, Jay, because you 355 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: have some feelings about Jordan Love also. 356 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 4: All right, so after that entire Diar tribe by Andrew Rickson, 357 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 4: I'll tell you this, Jordan Love is just two face CJ. 358 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 4: Stroud Because if everybody remembers Seinfeld and the two faces 359 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 4: from Seinfeld and the right light, Jordan Love is sexiest 360 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 4: to be reference to, and I am I am in 361 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 4: the right light. He's as sexy as can be in 362 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 4: the wrong light. What the heck just happened? I can't 363 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 4: believe I'm tying myself to that person. So if anybody's 364 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 4: never seen the Seinfeld episode. 365 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 2: A very good one. 366 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 4: But the truth is is Jordan Love one week is 367 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 4: four touchdowns and three hundred yards and then the next 368 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 4: week one hundred and eighty in an interception and no touchdowns. 369 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 4: Because so I'll like, it's not that I disagree that 370 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 4: much with Ericson, It's just that he's very much like CJ. 371 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 4: Stroud as a passer better, I'll give you that. But 372 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 4: the part that I'd rather actually tie myself to CJ. 373 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 4: Stroud is because if he improves, I'll get some consistency 374 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 4: every stinking week in Jordan Love. Like, I do not 375 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 4: want to tie to him myself to him in fantasy 376 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 4: because I know one week he's going to win it 377 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 4: for me and the next week is going to lose 378 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 4: it for me, and I'm not playing. 379 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 2: That game quarterback, all right? Fair enough, fair enough. 380 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: We're going to continue to debate some of these guys here. 381 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: Let's take a little debate about Sam Donald, because I 382 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: know you guys have different feelings. He is ECR twenty one, Andrew, 383 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: you have him at twenty three, JKM at twenty six, 384 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: So both of you are a little bit lower on 385 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: the guy who just took his team to the Super Bowl, 386 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: and I think that might surprise some people, right, So 387 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: let's talk about the reasons why both of you were 388 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: fading him a little bit more than the experts are 389 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: currently on fantasypros dot com. So let's talk about Andrew 390 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: your feeling first about Sam Donald why he shouldn't be 391 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: ranked quite so high. 392 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 3: Well, was Q twenty three points per game last year, 393 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 3: and I don't think anything is going to work in 394 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 3: a saver where he should be looked at to improve 395 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 3: in a second season with Seattle. He just lost Clint Kubiak, 396 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 3: who has shown that. But he makes a significant impact 397 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 3: where he goes. If you look at the two teams 398 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 3: he's been the offensive play caller for the last two seasons, 399 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 3: the Saints and the Seahawks. Both those teams entered those 400 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 3: years with really bad offensive line projections and the way 401 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 3: that Kubiak has schemed up offensive lines the last two 402 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 3: seasons has helped his quarterback. I mean, Derek Carr looked 403 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 3: like he was hosting MVP level numbers before his injury 404 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four because Kubak was calling the shots, 405 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 3: So I think that's a big loss. Donald also doesn't 406 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 3: offer that much as a rushing threat. Again, congrats to 407 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 3: Sam Donald the Seahawks beating my Patriots. It's a terrible 408 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 3: bet betting on the Patriots money line, of course, but 409 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 3: Sam Donald's a better real life quarterback than fantasy quarterback. 410 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 3: So in the fact that Seattle, the way they play 411 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 3: elite defense, doesn't necessarily create game environments where oh, we're 412 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 3: gonna get Sam Donald in a shootout. And this is 413 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 3: one of the most run heavy offenses in the NFL 414 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 3: last season, So yeah, don't. I can't get ahead of 415 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 3: Sam Donald as a top twenty fantasy. 416 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: Quarterback understandably, So look, I think the best art argument 417 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: Andrew laid out there Jake is that he had a 418 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: great year this year and he was still all the 419 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: way down there. So if anything, you know, typically to 420 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 1: repeater get better, it would take a lot and you're 421 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: losing your offensive coordinator Klink Kubiak to the Raiders as 422 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: head coach. Now, so I'm assuming all of those things 423 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: kind of into your psyche as well for your lower 424 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: ranking than these he are. 425 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, honestly, it comes down to me. Just 426 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 4: talked about CJ. Stroud, who averaged over a point and 427 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 4: a half points per game more than Sam Darnald. Think 428 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 4: about that for a second. If you included all the 429 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 4: non qualifiers, the people that played like five games, including 430 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 4: Carson Wentz, Sam Donald's actually QBS twenty seven in points 431 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 4: per game, by the way, who averaged more Fantasy points 432 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 4: per game than Sam Donald, not just justin fields. How 433 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 4: about somebody that used to play for that team. Aaron 434 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 4: Rodgers averaged more Fantasy points per game than Sam Donald. 435 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 4: And that's really the end of the argument, because yeah, 436 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 4: the year before with the Vikings, again, different team, different offense, 437 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 4: different style, different attempts, and that's what you know, pocket passers, 438 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 4: I will say in super Flex Joe, completely different conversation, 439 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 4: because these are the guys like the Sam Darnold's of 440 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 4: the world, and even like a healthy Kirk Cousins with 441 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 4: the right team, Kirk Cousins getting back into the top 442 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 4: fifteen he went to the Vikings. Would that really shock anybody? 443 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 4: But the problem is these quarterbacks have to do it 444 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 4: all with their arm and all with high touchdown rates, 445 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 4: and we just saw how bad it can be when 446 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 4: they just aren't needed to be that kind of guy. 447 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about two more guys here. Let's 448 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 2: talk about Kyler Murray ECRs twenty two. Andrew. 449 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 1: You've got him at nineteen. So what are you seeing 450 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: that I'm not when it comes to Kyler Murray. 451 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 3: In his future, he's gonna be starting quarterback where I 452 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 3: don't know, but it's gonna be somewhere Jets. I just 453 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 3: think that he as QB twenty two. I think that's 454 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 3: too louch. 455 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: I broke you for I'm just trying to think of 456 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: that first press conference after a loss for Kyler Murray 457 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: in New York. 458 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 3: Can't they can't make that happen. 459 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 2: No, It's such a bad look for both sides. It 460 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 2: would be a disaster. 461 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 3: So that's probably where I would definitely move him down significantly. 462 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 3: He's starting for the New York Jets. But I would 463 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 3: say when you just look at Kyler Murray's body of work. 464 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 3: He's been a top twenty quarterback every year of his 465 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 3: career except for last year, which obviously things Scott Dereald 466 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 3: nearly played a handful of games, but he has four 467 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 3: top ten finishes, five in terms of points per game finishes, 468 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 3: and he came back from an injury in twenty twenty three. 469 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 3: So you're gonna give me a guy that has basically 470 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 3: a top ten, top twenty resume outside the top twenty quarterbacks. 471 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 3: I think that's good value. And I think the only 472 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 3: reason he's ranked this lowly is because we're not sure 473 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 3: where he's going to start. But I'm confident he's going 474 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 3: to start somewhere. I mean, there's a lot of teams 475 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 3: that need quarterbacks, and Kyler Murray looks pretty good compared 476 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 3: to the alternative options, just based on his age that 477 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 3: he again, he's not necessarily a bridge guy where if 478 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 3: he has a good season, like he could be a 479 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 3: quarterback for the next three or four years for a 480 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 3: team versus all you want Rogers. Okay, well he might 481 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 3: retire next year. So that's why I think that he's 482 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 3: a good alternative, especially if beans up like somewhere like Minnesota. 483 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 3: The Vikings like, that's a good system where you have. 484 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: That Yeah, yeah, that one, that one. All of a sudden, 485 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: you you got me. Everyone's so nice in Minnesota. If 486 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: he lost and be like, Oh, don't worry, everything's gonna 487 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: be fine. I'm sure everything is gonna be okay, don't worry. 488 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 2: He'll get him next time. 489 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy, J McCarthy. 490 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 2: They're taking J. J. McCarthy to a wood chipper from Fargo. 491 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: Because it's more Fargo than Minnesota. All right, Daniel Jones, Uh, 492 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: maybe he'll end up in Minnesota. 493 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 2: I don't know, Jake. 494 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: You have n't at seventeen, but ECR has at twenty eight. 495 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 1: I feels like an ECR placeholder right now. Daniel Jones 496 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: did play well, and he also has rushing equity, which 497 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: I feel like always gets overlooked when it comes to 498 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones every single time. 499 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 2: So let's talk about him. 500 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: Obviously, Murray and Daniel Jones are two guys where landing 501 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: spot is gonna matter a whole lot in terms of 502 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: their ranking, and both of these ranks right now, and 503 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: the expert consensus does feel a little placeholder. 504 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 4: Like I don't honestly understand even placeholder. How you can 505 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 4: have him this slow because unless Daniel Jones ends up 506 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 4: a backup somewhere, what are we doing well? 507 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: The injury too, I mean he's coming off attorneys, Yeah, 508 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: I mean that's he's bad. 509 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 3: The Achilles torn a hilles pardon me, because he broke 510 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 3: because he was playing with a broken leg. 511 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 4: Okay, fair, But I guess maybe people are tentatively like 512 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 4: saying maybe not week one, like all the reports have 513 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 4: been positive about that so far, so. 514 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 2: They're you know, obviously take that out. 515 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 4: You know, if he's not going to be available till 516 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 4: the end of September, you're throwing this ranking out the wind. 517 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 4: No matter what, You're probably not even drafting him, because 518 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 4: if you're not drafting Patrick Mahomes, there's no way on 519 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 4: Earth you're waiting on Daniel Jones. But Daniel Jones just 520 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 4: putting in a top twelve per game performance with the Colts. 521 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 4: He was unlocked essentially with the Colts, similar to basically 522 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 4: his best season with the Giants, but still wasn't even 523 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 4: that good. But he was a top ten quarterback that 524 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 4: year because why because he ran for seven hundred and 525 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 4: seven And I don't think he's necessarily going to do 526 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 4: that with the Colts or wherever he ends up. But 527 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 4: the thing here is that if Daniel Jones is one 528 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 4: hundred percent, and whoever signs, I'm sure are going to 529 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 4: make sure of that that they think that he'll be 530 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 4: ready for week one. If it's back with the Colts, 531 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 4: if it's the Vikings. Can you imagine half excited people 532 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 4: would be putting Daniel Jones on the Vikings. And by 533 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,239 Speaker 4: the way, who possibly was the one that taught him 534 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 4: how to play better ball? Kevin O'Connell brings him back 535 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 4: and has put him with Justin Jefferson, Addison Hockinson and 536 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 4: all the rest. I just think that Daniel Jones, as 537 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 4: much as we love to joke on him as this is, 538 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:14,719 Speaker 4: it's the inversus Sam Darnold. 539 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 2: He is a terrible football player. But for fantasy were ya? Yeah? Okay, 540 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 2: fair enough. 541 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 1: Let's transition now to the tight ends here and let's 542 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: talk about number one Trey McBride and Tier one, then 543 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: brock Bowers in Tier two, close and level at three 544 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: and Tier one then tier two. You got Tucker Craft 545 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: at four, Heldon Fannon at five, Tyler Warren at six, 546 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 1: Sam Laporta at seven, Kyle Pitts at eight, Dalton kin 547 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: Kid at nine, Ronde Gatson at ten, Jake Ferguson and 548 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 1: Juwan Johnson. So Tier two is craft through Pits at eight, 549 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: and then Tier three you've got Kincaid at nine, Gatson, 550 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: Ferguson and Juwan Johnson. 551 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 2: Let's start with. 552 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: Andrew Rickson, RONDI Gatson his tight end ten in the ECR, 553 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: but you've got him all the way at thirteen. So 554 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: you're not loving Mike McDaniel the tight end. Is that 555 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: what you're telling me? 556 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 3: No, I mean he's still in the same I mean 557 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 3: he's in that same tier with those other guys. I 558 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 3: guess I just feel more confident about those roles being 559 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 3: a little bit more stable. Where you have Juwan Johnson. 560 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 3: I feel comfortable with what he is in the Kellen 561 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 3: Moore offense in New Orleans. Now Jake Ferguson also in 562 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 3: this tier. If Picketts comes back, he's definitely moving behind 563 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 3: Gatson because Jake Ferguson splits with Pickens and Ceedee Lamb 564 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 3: playing healthy last year are absolutely terrible. So that's something 565 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 3: that I would adjust. But when it comes to Gadsden, 566 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 3: I guess maybe I was lower on him because I 567 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 3: was crediting his second half falloff. I was kind of 568 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 3: punishing him pretty dramatically for that, But I think that's 569 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 3: probably being unfair to him, just based on he was 570 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 3: a rookie fifth round tight end that showed an immense 571 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 3: ceiling in a couple of games to start the year, 572 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 3: and I think maybe I was being too harsh when 573 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 3: you look at he had the same yards per route 574 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 3: run as both Tyler Warren and Harold Fannon, two guys 575 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 3: that are going way ahead of him, even though they 576 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 3: all had I mean pretty strong again, Gadson didn't have 577 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 3: as good a rookie year as Haller, Warren Harld Fannon did. 578 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 3: But when it comes to rookie tight end performances, I mean, 579 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 3: Gatston stacks up, just not this particular classes because it 580 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 3: was such a strong rookie tight end class. So I 581 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 3: think that he's a player that could probably move up 582 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 3: a little bit more. I guess I was just concerned 583 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 3: about how things really kind of derailed in the second 584 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 3: half of the season, but that's probably more because of 585 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 3: the offensive line and just the offense in general, not 586 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 3: necessarily on Gatson, because during the year he showed a 587 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 3: ceiling of four top twelve finishes, and when it comes 588 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 3: to tight end, if you can just pop in a 589 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 3: big way and make a difference, I think that's worth drafting. 590 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 3: Also too, if Keenan Allen is gone, he now led 591 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 3: this team in targets. So if they don't replace Keenan 592 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 3: Allen with somebody else and it's just well gads, then 593 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 3: Trey Harris will take a bigger step in year two. Well, 594 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 3: you could see Gatson if he has a full time 595 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 3: role in this Mike McDaniel offense. I mean, Darren Waller 596 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 3: to your point, looked pretty good. Yeah last year, especially 597 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 3: in the red zone. So if Gatson kind of takes 598 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 3: over that red zone role, then I would definitely need 599 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 3: to move him up. 600 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: See That's that's where I'm excited about Gason because to me, 601 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: he he does give me a little bit of vibes 602 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: of a young version of Darren Waller, and I think 603 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: that that kind of athlete fits really well into the 604 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: kind of schemes that mikey Daniel comes up with all 605 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: the time. 606 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 2: Go ahead, Jake, it seems like you want to say 607 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 2: something that. 608 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, I was going to chime in that with the 609 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 4: splits with and without Keenan Allen were tremendous because they 610 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 4: actually Gadson plays a similar role to what Keenan Allen 611 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 4: brought to the team. And he also hurt Quint Johnson 612 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 4: at the same time when he was out there because 613 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,479 Speaker 4: of the touchdown equity that he took away from him. 614 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 4: So he actually kind of takes away from two potential 615 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 4: wide receivers. Where what we talked about in the other show, Joe, 616 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 4: if all of a sudden, this is and Mike McDaniel 617 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 4: likes to funnel down his offense. If this is lad McConkie, 618 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 4: Trey Harris and Gadson. Next year we're. 619 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 1: Trey Harris another guy we talked about that last show 620 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: with the Lakwan about the sophomores. Check that out on 621 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: the YouTube channels. Really great show, all right. Dalton Kinkaid 622 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: is number nine on this list, but jake them outside 623 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: of the top twelve at sixteen. Why is Dalton Kinkaid 624 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: not a tight End one this year? 625 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 4: So if you want to go watch the RB show 626 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 4: and see, like, what is everybody's favorite thing and fantasy 627 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 4: is to hate on Kien Williams. Why is everybody's favorite 628 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 4: thing at tight End? To make Dalton Kinkaid something he's 629 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 4: not like. He just had his best season, very touchdown reliant, 630 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 4: by the way, because he even played the full season, 631 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 4: but in points per game, and what did that get him? 632 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 2: Tight end twelve. 633 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 4: Because the freaking Bills are twelve twelve twelve twelve, twelve 634 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 4: twelve twelve, And maybe that changes a little bit this year, 635 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,439 Speaker 4: but Dawson Knox is still owed seventeen. If they cut him, 636 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 4: they can save ten, but he's still owned seven dead cap. 637 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 4: But even if not, they'll probably bring in another tight 638 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 4: end and bring that up to Also say, Dalton Kinka 639 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 4: did all of that where the Bills were looking for 640 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 4: wide receivers, anybody, somebody catched the damn ball because it's 641 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 4: not Keon Coleman. It's Khalil shitk here as fine as 642 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 4: a two, but not the clear number one. And they 643 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 4: were trying and trying and trying, and that's still the 644 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 4: best we can get at Dalton Kinkaid, Dalton ka just 645 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,239 Speaker 4: understand this. The Bills tight end, it's just not a thing. Uh, 646 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 4: He's gonna need touchdowns and maybe he can get five 647 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,479 Speaker 4: hundred yards in eight touchdowns and be a tight end 648 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 4: one fringe again but that's fringe tight end one. I 649 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 4: would just rather chase potential top five options, and so 650 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 4: I would include Mark Andrews. I no likely, I would 651 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 4: include Brenton Strange got her potentially back with the Eagles, 652 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 4: and no Aj Brown. I just I don't see the 653 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 4: upside Actingcaid. 654 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 2: Now. 655 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 1: Last year, nobody loved Tucker Craft more than Andrew Erickson 656 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: expert concetsus asm at five. 657 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 2: But Andrew, you got him only at eight. Is it 658 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 2: just coming off the injury? Is that why? 659 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 3: I mean, that's the only thing I can pinpoint about 660 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 3: Tucker Craft that I don't like, because he was a 661 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 3: freaking monster tight end one through eight, eight games, tight 662 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 3: end two and points per game. Let all tight ends 663 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 3: in yard death to the catch per reception. I just 664 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 3: was really surprised at how aggressive ECR was. I remember 665 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 3: when I did the first tight end ranking show earlier 666 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 3: in the year, I had him even lower. 667 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 2: I had him at like twelve. 668 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, well, this is a great by low 669 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 3: opportunity on Tucker Craft. People are gonna be writing him 670 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 3: off and that's not the case. I mean, where would 671 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 3: he be if he didn't tears this? He'll just like 672 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 3: tight end three or tight tight end two. So I guess, 673 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 3: I mean, you're not really getting much of an injury discount. 674 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 3: I feel like, so that's I guess where I'm just 675 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 3: pressing pause. And it's not even that he can't overcome this. 676 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 3: I mean, he's a twenty five year old freak athlete 677 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 3: coming out with torn eco which back. 678 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 2: Up, So you loved him? 679 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, let me let me ask you this, Andrew. And 680 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 4: I know this is kind of some much to the 681 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 4: brace Hale question, but. 682 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 2: Like you loved him? 683 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 4: No, No, seriously, if you knew he was one hundred percent, 684 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 4: because I want to make the case to put him 685 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 4: at three if you knew he was one hundred percent. 686 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 4: Obviously we don't, but if you knew he was, doesn't 687 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 4: he have fewer questions than Loveland, Fannin, Warren Laporta, Pitts, 688 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 4: Gadson Like, yeah, okay, so okay, And I think that's 689 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 4: the case that you can make. 690 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 3: But I like your question here because I think that 691 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 3: it's framing it where if he does come back healthy, 692 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 3: then maybe that's all I should be really concerned about 693 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 3: when I'm ranking him. I'm just gonna rank him like 694 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 3: he's healthy. To your point, and that's where he would 695 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 3: be my tight end three. And it's like, Okay, if 696 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 3: he's not healthy, well then this is a busted pick. 697 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 3: Titans nest all the time, but if it hits oh boom, 698 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 3: I guess for me it's I'm not seeing as much 699 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 3: value on him hitting now because do I go after 700 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 3: Tucker Craft is a leade tight end with an injury risk, 701 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 3: or do I just try to find this year's Tucker 702 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 3: Craft in rounds row nine to round ten. So I 703 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 3: think the ranking is probably more reflective on like my 704 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 3: tight end strategy than actually how I view the specific players. 705 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: Well, and there's guys outside of the top twelve. Of 706 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: those guys like Brenton Strange. We'll see what Hunter Henry 707 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: does if he is back of the Patriots. That bringing 708 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: another tight end or draft another tight end with David 709 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: Kenyan Sidik is a really interesting prospect. But I know 710 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: one guy you both want to talk about is Isaiah 711 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: Likely because he is ranked currently as the twentieth tight end. 712 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: So Andrew, you've got him a tight end twelve. Jake, 713 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: you've got him at tight end thirteen. Jake talked to 714 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: about me about why you have you guys both like 715 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: Isaiah Likely, Jake, why don't you take it off first? 716 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 4: Because Isaiah Likely is going to a team where he's 717 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 4: going to be the lead option, and we've seen him 718 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 4: be the lead option with the Ravens and what that's done, 719 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 4: and it's top ten performances, and that's really all it's 720 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 4: sometimes we don't need to say more. It's that simple. 721 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 4: Isaiah Likely is a severe matchup problem for defense. He's 722 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 4: a very dynamic tight end. He's been buried behind Mark Andrews. 723 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 4: He's also been in an offense that doesn't utilize in 724 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 4: the passing game consistently a number two or three option. 725 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 4: They kind of do it by committee. And he's going 726 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 4: to go to a team because he's a free agent. 727 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 4: Somebody's going to pay through the nose for him because 728 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 4: he's the best tight end out there and potentially a 729 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 4: top ten talent out there in their free agency. 730 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 2: And that's all you really need to say. 731 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 4: Honestly, we could both sit here and argue that twelve 732 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 4: thirteen is too low because if he ends up on 733 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 4: the right right team, he'd have fewer question You could 734 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 4: put him as high as three on the right team, 735 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 4: and I'd be like you know what, I get it. 736 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 2: All right, Andrew it's your case for mister Likely. 737 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 3: I think that Jake makes the great points about where 738 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 3: he goes is so dependent on what his ranking could be. 739 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 3: He get Tighten five or Tighten thirty five, because he 740 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 3: can go through the team where he's totally nuked in 741 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 3: a three man tight end committee and it's absolutely terrible, 742 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 3: or he ends up going on a place where he 743 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 3: can be the tight end one and it's. 744 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 2: Gonna be funny. 745 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 4: He goes back with Harball and he time shares with 746 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 4: Theo Johnson because that's what Harbor does. 747 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 3: Because that would be so fun. But you have to 748 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 3: remember that before he got injured this past year, because 749 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 3: this year was terrible for Isaiah Likely, and I think 750 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 3: actually played a reason and why Mark Andrews got the 751 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 3: extension where Isaiah like he got hurt, they were gonna 752 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 3: extend him, but then he got hurt at the end 753 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 3: of the offseason, missed a couple of games and then 754 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 3: he had just like these really weird touchdowns where he 755 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 3: caught a touchdown but didn't count as a touchdown, he. 756 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 2: Dropped the ball. 757 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 3: Just a bad year overall for Isaiah Likely. But you 758 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 3: can't forget that when Mark Andrews has missed time and 759 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 3: out his career, Isaiah likely has been a locked and 760 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 3: loaded top five tight end in terms of points per game. 761 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,239 Speaker 3: So we always talk about chasing upside, and as I'm 762 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 3: thinking about this more, I really feel like I do 763 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 3: have to move Tucker Craft up my tightand rankings because 764 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 3: I just want to chase upside. Right if I can 765 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 3: get a guy that got the tight end one, I 766 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 3: almost want to throw the injury thing out out the 767 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 3: window and be like, I don't care. Again, It's football. 768 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 3: Everybody has injury risks. But if Tuckercraft can be tight 769 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 3: end one, then maybe that is worth keigging into consideration 770 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 3: where I need to move him up my rankings. But 771 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 3: with Oaiah likely right, he could be a top five 772 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,959 Speaker 3: tight end just based on him playing without Mark Andrews 773 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 3: if he can get into the right spot. So that's 774 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,479 Speaker 3: why I'm also high on him. 775 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 2: With Jacob Yeah, and. 776 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: A healthy Tuckercraft goes a long way for liking Jordan 777 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: Lovemore too, just saying for cor I've good looking or 778 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: bad looking depending on which version you get, But great 779 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: debates here all the way around. 780 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 2: But we love to hear from you. 781 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: Who are your favorite tight end quarterbacks, Who's too high, 782 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: who's too low in the ECR. 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