1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: This is what happens with the fourth turning meets fifth 2 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: generation warfare. 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 2: A commentator, international social media sensation and former Navy intelligence veteran. 4 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 3: This is Human Events with your host Jack Pasovic. 5 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 4: Christ is king out of these troubled times. Our fifth objective, 6 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 4: a new world order can emerge, a new era. 7 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 5: We have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves 8 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 5: and for future generations, a new world order. 9 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 6: So what's for joining us? 10 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 7: Now? 11 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 8: You are the President of the Council on Foreign Relations? 12 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 8: All right, you guys, toy with the with countries of 13 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 8: the world like like, well, like toys, don't you. You're 14 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 8: like the Illuminati, You're the Masons. You control everything, don't you. 15 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 8: That's the wrap on you guys. 16 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 4: What's so interesting now, though, is well, who's on the 17 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 4: chessboard the toys? 18 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 3: If you will? 19 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 4: A lot more than states. 20 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 9: I am a firm believer, and it's not a popular 21 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 9: position to take. Everybody thinks we've been there seventeen years 22 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 9: and we need to get out kind of thing. That's 23 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 9: not the way I look at it. I think we 24 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 9: have to be president of that part of the world. 25 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 4: We all talk about a new world order. 26 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 5: I believe the process of globalization is here to stay. 27 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 7: A new world order, A new set of challenges is 28 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 7: confronting us, both domestically and abroad. The historic role in 29 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 7: trying to make sure that there is, after all. 30 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 10: A new world order, and the phenomenal opportunities before us 31 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 10: to create a real new world order. 32 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 11: This criminal government cartel doesn't recognize borders but believes in 33 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 11: global governance and rule by corporations. We will never surrender 34 00:01:52,760 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 11: America's sovereignty to an unelected, unaccountable global bureaucracy. America is 35 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 11: governed by Americans. 36 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 5: We reject the ideology of globalism, and we embrace the 37 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 5: doctrine of patriotism. Around the world, responsible nations must defend 38 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 5: against threats to sovereignty, not just from global governments, but 39 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 5: also from other new forms of coercion and domination. Sovereign 40 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 5: and independent nations are the only vehicle where freedom has 41 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 5: ever survived. 42 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: Jack Pacific back here, Human Events, Daily Strategy Session, Global 43 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: Empire or American Republic. You hear President Trump in that 44 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: missive which he delivered all the way back in twenty 45 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: sixteen in April, that idea about a fight between nation 46 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: states or globalism, and in many ways in gnomic sense, 47 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: in a security sense, in a demographic sense, and a 48 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: social sense. That is what the America First Movement is 49 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: all about. We are joined today for this strategy session 50 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: in a full hour by Darren B of Revolver News, 51 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: the Professor. 52 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 4: Darren, how are you doing? 53 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 3: Great? Great to be with you, and a belated happy birthday. 54 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 3: My understanding is you had a birthday recently, so very 55 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 3: happy birthday. 56 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 4: Thanks man. 57 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: I appreciate that and love the love the guitar there 58 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: in the background. So the next got my frontless bass 59 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: acoustic which is off the side here and let the 60 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: GM out. 61 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 3: At some point I have to do an X I've 62 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 3: encouraged Elon to do through X a tiny desk. 63 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 6: I think that could be a that could be a 64 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 6: huge hit. 65 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 3: Like that's actually that could be something I want to 66 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 3: do with NPR. 67 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 6: It's like the one thing that as well, but X 68 00:03:59,120 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 6: could do. 69 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: Everything has to be defunded at MPR except for tiny desk, 70 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: and the tiny desk contract is the only thing allows. 71 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 5: Right. 72 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: We will allow this, but we'll have a strict, strict 73 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: controls over who's allowed to perform. Darren two minutes before 74 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: the break or really just just one and a half. 75 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: This is the essential question, isn't it. And we're going 76 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: to delve into this empire versus republic mm. 77 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 4: Hm, and so yes, how should we think of this? 78 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,679 Speaker 3: Well again this I'm glad we have a full hour 79 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 3: because there's so many different aspects to it. You know, 80 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 3: we have to clarify what these terms mean. I think, 81 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 3: you know, I think we can all agree that in practice, 82 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 3: in reality, ever since maybe the Spanish American War, certainly 83 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 3: after World War two, America has been what I think 84 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 3: most people would call an empire. Empire has gotten bad connotations. 85 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 3: I don't think that's necessarily the case. I coined this 86 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 3: phrase globalist American Empire, which absolutely was meant to have 87 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:17,679 Speaker 3: poor connotations. But I think maybe the question, at least 88 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 3: on my mind, is not whether we can sort of 89 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 3: retreat from the world to extent that we are some 90 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 3: kind of you know republic in the sense of, you know, 91 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 3: would people think of republican traditions they think of like 92 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 3: Geneva or you know, Sparta or these kinds of you know, 93 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 3: city models. 94 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 4: Let's hold off there. We'll go to our net, we'll 95 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 4: go to our break. 96 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: But let's get into all of these things. Define the terms. 97 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: What is America? When did the shift happen? 98 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 4: And what can we do about it? Stay tuned right back. 99 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 11: Today. You know that you talk about influences, these are influences. 100 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 3: And they're friends of mine. 101 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 10: Jack's break down, All right, Jack Prezobick back Live Human 102 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 10: Events Daily, the Global Strategy Session, Empire or Republic. 103 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 4: We're on with the. 104 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: Professor Darren Beattie himself. So Darren, let's let's do that. 105 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: Let's define some of these terms that we're talking about. 106 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: Of course, President Trump refers to it as a nation state. 107 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: And I think this is useful for us in a 108 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: sense as well, because when when typically a lot of 109 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: people will talk about and you hear this on you know, 110 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: kind of the right, the conservative side, a lot they say, well, 111 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: you know, we're a republic. We're not a democracy. We're 112 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: a republic. We're a republic. But you know, it also 113 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: kind of rings hollow a little bit in the sense 114 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: that when you turn on the TV and you listen 115 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: to the folks in government, some of whom many of 116 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: whom are on the report inside, even it seems like 117 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: the interests and the things animating them bear little relation 118 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: to the people of this country. And so when I 119 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: say republic, one of the things that I really mean 120 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: is a republic in the sense that we should be 121 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: a nation state beholden to the people of that nation state. 122 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: And that's all versus the global empire, which or the 123 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: global American empire, globalist American empire, which is probably a 124 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: more apt term for the government under which we currently live. 125 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,239 Speaker 1: So let's give that definition of each upfront. 126 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 3: Yes, I mean Etymologically speaking, my understanding is that republic 127 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 3: and democracy basically mean the same thing. They just have 128 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 3: very different connotations because democracy is obviously Greek, republic is 129 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 3: republic is Latin, and through a variety of factors through history, 130 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 3: they've acquired different connotations. I think in the context of 131 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 3: American kind of politically charged discourse, I know a lot 132 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 3: of people will say, like, oh, we're not a democracy, 133 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 3: we're a republic, meaning to invoke more of the imagery 134 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 3: of the founding fathers notion of a constitutional republic, maybe 135 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 3: some checks on the tyranny of the majority or mob rule, 136 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:37,839 Speaker 3: or some of the negative connotations associated with the term democracy. 137 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 3: And similarly with empire empire I think for the most 138 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 3: part has a negative connotation. 139 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 6: It also has historical. 140 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 3: Antasity to most people will think of the Roman Empire 141 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 3: as the model for the imperial typology, or maybe the 142 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 3: British Empire, and so obviously there are some critical differences. 143 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 3: But in the sense of is America always going to 144 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 3: be a country with kind of global commitments, a global reach, 145 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 3: global power, global entanglements to some degree even, I think 146 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 3: that is simply baked into the cake of what we are. 147 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 3: And I think some would argue, with some justifications, say 148 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 3: that this is always part of the destiny of America 149 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 3: as a kind of commercial republic, kind of a combination 150 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 3: of a commercial republic with this pioneer spirit or manifest 151 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 3: destiny spirit, those two things together seem to lead to 152 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 3: a more kind of global presence. I guess my one 153 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 3: sort of contrarian position on that is I think that 154 00:09:53,520 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 3: exists in contradistinction to other political entities that are often, 155 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 3: again as a pejorative, said, oh, they want to take 156 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 3: over the world, they want to reach over the world. 157 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 3: I don't, for instance, think that's particularly the case with China. 158 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 3: I think there veries their severe competitive domain with China 159 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 3: and the area of the economy and so forth, but 160 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 3: there isn't that kind of natural expansionist tendency that you've 161 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 3: seen in the Anglo American tradition, And there's not this 162 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 3: kind of ideology universal, an ideology of universal appeal that 163 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 3: it attaches to it. Chinese and you know this very 164 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 3: well because you've been there, you speak the language, you 165 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 3: understand the culture, are in many ways an ethnocentric people. 166 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 3: But by extension almost there's an almost insolarity that goes 167 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 3: with that, and this sense said, Okay, we're the Chinese, 168 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 3: this is the kingdom that matters, this is the place 169 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 3: that matters. But there's nothing about their ideas. 170 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: By the way, in the Mandarin, just to throw in, 171 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: is the Junguo, which they refer to China as literally 172 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: means the central kingdom. They don't have a separate word, 173 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: you know, getting into etymologies, you know respublica or the 174 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: res public. It just means the public thing, the thing 175 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: of the triple, which is. 176 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 4: The Latin very similar to. 177 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: The the Greek for demos kratos. So you're right, you know, 178 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: we make these distinctions, but really etymologically speaking, it's pretty same. 179 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: Whereas in China the etymology is we are the central kingdom, 180 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: and when you look in of course, in Asian history, 181 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: they certainly were the central kingdom of Asia. 182 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 4: They were the top dog. 183 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: And it also speaks to their mentality that they want 184 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: China to be number one. 185 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 3: They wanted to be number one. But I don't think 186 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 3: there's an inherently expansionist sense to the Chinese presence in 187 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 3: the world in the way that there is to Anglo 188 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 3: American style. Think simply the fact of the English language. 189 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 3: You know, I've put out a major piece a while 190 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 3: ago at revolver dot News that was also kind of 191 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 3: contrarian with respect to a lot of things people might 192 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 3: see on for instance zero hedge or something like that, 193 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 3: basically saying that the US dollar is king and the 194 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 3: US dollars status as reserve currency global reserve currency is 195 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 3: much more secure than I think a lot of people 196 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 3: might think, and there are a variety of reasons for that. 197 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 3: But what's still more secure than the reserve currency status 198 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 3: is the lingua franca status of the English language. So 199 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 3: there are so many things that are kind of global 200 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 3: that are in many ways attached, some uniquely in some 201 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 3: not to America, and just the nature of the American 202 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 3: presence in the world that I think there is something 203 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 3: that is genuinely imperial about it. 204 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 6: So I think it's important, I guess. 205 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 3: To dive divorce the negative kind of political connotations of 206 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 3: words to what might actually be a more objectively accurate 207 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 3: reference to these words, because in it politically charged conversation, 208 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 3: empire just means a bad thing, Republic typically means a 209 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 3: good thing, and democracy can vary depending on you know, 210 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 3: who is saying it. It's almost become a word ravaged 211 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 3: by the regime commissars who have used democracy in the 212 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 3: most cynical context in order to say it's democracy when 213 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 3: we screw over the American people, and anything that's an 214 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 3: attack on their illegitimate authority is in their presentation, attack 215 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 3: on democracy. But what I'm getting at here is to 216 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 3: what I think the central question, by. 217 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,599 Speaker 1: The way, by the way, and I add to that 218 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: real quick that the word empire. You can find instances 219 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 1: I believe where Teddy Roosevelt would use the words well, 220 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: he would do the American empire, yes, and and he 221 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: certainly was a huge part of this where he didn't 222 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: necessarily view that term. I certainly didn't view the term 223 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: negatively and also viewed it as something that was absolutely 224 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: within the remit of America's manifest destiny, and certainly didn't 225 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: believe that. Obviously, his adventures in Cuba are quite well known, 226 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: but he was in the Spanish American War that you 227 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: just mentioned. But he was someone who believed that manifest 228 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: destiny didn't necessarily end at the at the borders, at 229 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: the contiguous borders. And to wit in at that time 230 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: of the year of the turn of the century, the 231 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: turn of the previous century, we lived in a world 232 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: of empires. America was born in a world of empires 233 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: at one point. 234 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 4: I always tell us to people that it and they 235 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 4: they can never believe me that. 236 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: When on the North American continent when the Declaration of 237 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: Independent was written, think of it. You had the British Empire, 238 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: the Spanish Empire, the French Empire, and yes, even the 239 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: Russian Empire. We're all on the North American continent at 240 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: that point. We lived in a world of empire. So no, 241 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: the founding fathers and even all the way through Teddy 242 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: Roosevelt didn't necessarily think that an empire was a bad thing. 243 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 4: That was just the thing, right. 244 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 3: And so I think again, in the politically charged contexts 245 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 3: empire just means something bad. Democracy can vary, republic is 246 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 3: something good. But I think really driving at the substance 247 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 3: of what's relevant when we say, well, will America be 248 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 3: an empire or you know, a nation state or this 249 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 3: or that, it's really will where it could. 250 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 6: Be the kind of empire? 251 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 3: That will the victories of the empire be the victories 252 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 3: of the American people? I think that was a critical 253 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 3: line in Trump's first inaugural, which I still think is 254 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 3: by far the best speech that. 255 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 6: He ever delivered. 256 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 3: His first inaugural address, and there was a line there 257 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 3: something to the effect of their victories. And by saying there, 258 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 3: he's speaking to the entire audience, which consisted of all 259 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 3: the people run the United States into the ground, and said. 260 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 6: Their victories are not our victories. 261 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 3: So I think the critical question is, can the victories 262 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 3: of the American Empire once again also become the victories 263 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 3: of the American people. Can the hegemony of the empire 264 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 3: become more in alignment with the thriving and flourishing of 265 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 3: the American people, with a good standard of living and 266 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 3: all the things that you would expect to come with that. 267 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 6: That alignment, I think. 268 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 3: Is the critical question and what we should mean when 269 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 3: we say America first, and I. 270 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 4: Think that's amazing. 271 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,479 Speaker 1: It's it's the and and by the way, a true 272 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 1: empire would obviously exist for the benefit of the citizens 273 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: of that empire, and unfortunately, in the globalist American Empire, 274 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: it does not. And so I'm glad that we talked 275 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: about the definitions because moving forward, we're going to talk 276 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: about what. 277 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 4: Is going on with the g a E. Stay tuned. 278 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 4: We're right back Human Events Daily, the Global Strategy Session. 279 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 3: And when I'm working long hours, I'm always listening to 280 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 3: Human Events with Jack Pasobic. 281 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 1: All right, Jack Pasobic, We're back Human Events Daily, the 282 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: Global Strategy Session, Globalist American Empire or American Republic. So 283 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: when we look at the world and we look at 284 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: America's role in the world, and we ask ourselves sometimes, 285 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: you know, why do we have troops in Syria? Why 286 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: are we sending hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine? 287 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: Why is it that the United States Navy is so 288 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: aggressively patrolling in waters that are tens of thousands of 289 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: miles away from our coastline, in places like the South 290 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: China Sea and the Japanese and Kakus and the Dayu 291 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: Islands and all the different island chains around the Pacific, 292 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: and we ask ourselves of what direct. 293 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 4: Benefit is this to the people of the nation. 294 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: And certainly trade is something that is of benefit to 295 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: the nation, but some of these other issues seem to 296 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: be quite a bit far. And so Darren, I suppose 297 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: the question that I have here is in the globalist 298 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: American empire, these these it's simply because the interests of 299 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: the empire are disconnected from the interests of the people. 300 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: And as President Trump said right there, and we need 301 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 1: to understand, and I think that I've learned, and we've 302 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: all learned that the government under which we live for 303 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: the most part, you know, I'm saying talking about the 304 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: government prior to President Trump's return to office is triumph 305 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 1: return that the interest represented. 306 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 4: In Washington, d C. 307 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: Are the interests of that empire by and large, rather 308 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: than quote unquote any any individual representation of their own 309 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 1: you know, constituency and district. 310 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 6: Right right. 311 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,719 Speaker 3: I'd like to further elaborate on what I meant before 312 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 3: the break when I emphasize this critical point of their 313 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 3: victories are not our victories, because this really is I 314 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 3: think the central metric by which we can judge the 315 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 3: normative success of the empire from sort of America first standpoint. Now, again, 316 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 3: this is something that's connected to my piece on the 317 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 3: US dollar as reserve currency, and I thought, you know, 318 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 3: it's far more stable than people imagine. And I think 319 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 3: there's this intuitive tendency where people would go online, they 320 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 3: would scroll X, they would go to YouTube or wherever 321 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 3: TikTok now, and they would see these infamous clips of 322 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 3: people just drugged out on the street in Philadelphia, or 323 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 3: people crapping on the street in San Francisco, and all 324 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 3: of these things. Just see the state of degradation of 325 00:20:55,119 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 3: our once great cities in the United States, and they'd say, 326 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 3: my god, you know, the America is really going down 327 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 3: the tube any day now. 328 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 6: You know, Chinese are going. 329 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 3: To take over everything, or you know, you name it, 330 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 3: maybe Russians but not so much anymore. People don't use that, 331 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 3: but they're saying America's just going down the toilet completely. 332 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 6: We're not going to be a superpower anymore. 333 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 3: And I sympathize with that sentiment and intuition, but I 334 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 3: think it's important to point out that the criteria and 335 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 3: the factors relevant to securing basically American hegemony globally, geopolitically, 336 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 3: and economically. They're far more divorced from the most observable 337 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 3: and relevant metrics of standard of living that we see 338 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 3: right in front of us in our cities. People think 339 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 3: that those are more directly connected that they are, such 340 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 3: that when they see the filth and degradation in San 341 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 3: Francisco or Philadelphia or name your city, they conclude things, 342 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 3: you know, America can't hold on as the number one 343 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 3: superpower anymore, when in fact, the things that are responsible 344 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 3: for America being the superpower in terms of you know, 345 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 3: energy dominance, you know Wall Street dominance, military industrial complex, 346 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 3: you know, US dollar supremacy, these factors are much farther 347 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 3: removed from those standard of living factors that people imagine. 348 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 6: And so I think. 349 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 3: What's critical again is bringing those two things into better alignment. 350 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 3: And by extension, a lot of our conversations about geopolitics now, 351 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 3: I think are informed by this sense of, you know, 352 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 3: exposing the cynicism behind various geopolitical maneuvers. For instance, saying, oh, 353 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 3: look the issue in Syria. Obama wanted regime change in Syria. 354 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 3: It was about a pipeline or Russia's doing this. It 355 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 3: was about a pipeline. It was about gas prom and 356 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 3: that accounts for you know, the energy politics was behind 357 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 3: a big part of the Color Revolution, a big part 358 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 3: of that Atlanticist faction of the national security state that. 359 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 6: We reported and talked about. 360 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 3: And yes, of course there's truth to that, but I 361 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 3: would reframe it and to say, if only you could 362 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 3: break down all of our foreign policy decisions in such 363 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 3: cynical terms. So it's like two layers here. For one, 364 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 3: people saying, oh, this foreign policy decision is just to 365 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 3: benefit some sector of the American economy. Again, if only 366 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 3: you know, kind of related to what Trump was saying 367 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 3: about Iraq. It's like, we did the whole thing in 368 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,719 Speaker 3: Iraq and we didn't even get the oil. It's like 369 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 3: the cynical interpretation that the cynical interpretation would actually be 370 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 3: superior to what actually is driving and motivating force to 371 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 3: a lot of our geopolitical decisions. 372 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 6: It would be. 373 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 3: Better to go into Iraq with the purpose of at 374 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 3: least getting the oil and enhancing our energy dominance, then 375 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 3: going into a rack based on some idealistic fantasy of 376 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 3: spreading democracy, for instance. So the cynical kind of material 377 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 3: explanation would be preferable to the more sort of ideologically motivated. 378 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 3: But then the second step is we need to make 379 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 3: sure that if something's benefiting the energy sector, for instance, 380 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 3: that translates into an actual benefit for the American people. 381 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 3: So it's a double layer there. And where we are 382 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 3: now is in a stage where yes, there's the cynical, oh, 383 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 3: we're doing it for our own material benefit for these 384 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 3: companies and whatnot, But there's a lot of the delusion 385 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 3: mixed in with this that we need to totally eradicate, 386 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 3: a lot of the delusion, for instance, in our dealings 387 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 3: with Africa of having you know, these human rights kind 388 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 3: of you know, but by that we mean sort of 389 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 3: left wing ideological agenda attached to our dealings in a 390 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 3: way that's not the case for China. So it's like 391 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 3: this double layered thing. We need to get rid of 392 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 3: the ideology that has been responsible for our worst geopolitical blunders, 393 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 3: including Iraq. But then once we get which we make 394 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 3: sure that our foreign policy decisions are actually made to 395 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 3: the benefit of the American economy, American dominance, American power. 396 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 3: We need to make sure that those things are actually 397 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 3: correlated with the well being and economic wellbeing of the 398 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 3: American people, and that it's not just the stock of 399 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 3: the energy companies going up and they get to buy 400 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 3: another mansion somewhere, but actually does redound to the benefit 401 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 3: of what we more observably see as standard of living 402 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 3: conditions for Americans. So, I no, that was a big mouthful, 403 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 3: but I think that's really kind of the bird's eye 404 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 3: from conceptual framework with which we need to evaluate foreign 405 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 3: policy and geopolitics. 406 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 4: Yeah. 407 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: Look, I mean people will sit there and say say 408 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: to me all the time, and you know, certainly as 409 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: I came up sort of through the China circles. You know, 410 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: you get the China hawks who say, oh, well, we 411 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 1: have to go to war with them to teach those 412 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: Chicoms a lesson, and it's like, well, guess what, you'd 413 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: blow up the entire planet and you just slaughter millions 414 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: of Americans in the process of that. And then you 415 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: get kind of the doves and you know, and oh, 416 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: China is this, China is that? But you know, and 417 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,719 Speaker 1: we should work with them on climate change or some 418 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 1: such thing. But you know what it really when it 419 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 1: really does come down to it and I'm just going 420 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: to say it. 421 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 4: One thing I learned. 422 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: While living in China for two years was that Chi 423 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: jin Ping and the government of the Chinese people really 424 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: does work in a sense, in a sense I'm not 425 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: talking about the Wigers and not talking about a variety 426 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:08,199 Speaker 1: of issues within China, but they they have actually built 427 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: up the basic the basic standard of living for their people, 428 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: and there's no crime, actually crime crime that goes on 429 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: you when you look at a city. And by the way, 430 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 1: they did so with far indirect investment from the West. 431 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: And I've you know, obviously spent years talking about this 432 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: and that's the reason Shanghai looks the way that it 433 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: does since the nineteen nineties when it was you know, 434 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: rice patties on the other side of the Pudong. 435 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 4: River and is now you know, one of the financial 436 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 4: capitals of the world in. 437 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 1: Luchat and the you know, you know the idea that 438 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: you know, they're doing that and they're advancing as fast 439 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: as possible, and yeah, it's you know, in many ways, 440 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: they step over human rights and they'll you know. 441 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 4: Tear up ancient villages and ancient towns. And if you're 442 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 4: in the way of the progress, you know, they just 443 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 4: move you out. 444 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: There's no there's no eminent domain in it in their system, 445 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: they just they just remove you and remove entire towns 446 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: and entire cities. 447 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 4: By the way, were completely flooded. 448 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: When they built the three gorgeous dam and made this 449 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: giant the largest reservoir on earth behind it. And it's like, so, 450 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: what you know, We're we're progressing the country. Of course, 451 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,479 Speaker 1: if anyone knows. One of the things probably I think 452 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 1: that most people know about China is they're pensioned for 453 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 1: these mega projects going all the way back to the 454 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 1: Great Wall. And so the idea being though, is that 455 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 1: most Chinese people, the average Chinese person, I'm not talking 456 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 1: about the you know, the dissidents, but the average Chinese 457 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: person that you meet, when they say, yeah, I support 458 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: the CCP and I support the government, it's because that 459 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: person has seen their standard of living go up in 460 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: their lifetime and because they've given them and they're not 461 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: communists in the economic sense anymore. It's because they want 462 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: to show their people and have given their people, say 463 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: this pathway to say, if you get to one of 464 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: these cities, and it's hyper competitive and hyper capitalistic, if 465 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: you get to one of these cities, and if you 466 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: can make it up through the system, you can make untold. 467 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 4: Amounts of money. 468 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: And obviously it flies in the face of everything Chairman Maltaught. 469 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: And they sort of use the communist pageantry and symbology 470 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: as a sort of skin suit, and in a way 471 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: that we see many things being used in the United 472 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: States in similar fashion, but for different purposes. But the 473 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: point being is the life of the average person has 474 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: gotten better. And so I noticed that a lot of 475 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: people in the China watcher world will refuse to just 476 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: admit that basic fact, and will refuse to admit that 477 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: this is the number one reason why you don't see 478 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: any massive rebellion against the central government, even with the 479 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: restrictions of COVID, even with going through that situation. 480 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 4: And this is why. And you know, their. 481 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: Culture tends towards collectivization and is certainly different from Western 482 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: culture in a variety of reasons. But this is why 483 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: that you never see these wide spread rebellions or oh 484 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: they're about to fall and come apart, like some people 485 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: have been saying for twenty years, We'll be right back. 486 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: Human Events Daily, the Global Strategy. 487 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 7: Sessions, and Jack, Where's Jack Where's Jack? 488 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 3: Where is he? 489 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 7: Jack? 490 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 3: I want to see you. 491 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 7: Great job, Jack, Thank you, what a job you do. 492 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 7: You know, we have an incredible thing. 493 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 11: We're always talking about the fake news. 494 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 3: And the bad, but we have guys and these are 495 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 3: the guys you're forgetting policies. 496 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: Okay, Jack Cubick, back live the Global Strategy Session Globalist 497 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: American Empire or American Republic, and we're on with the 498 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: professor himself, Darren Beatty of Revolver News there and I 499 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: just want to close off what I was saying there. 500 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: And so one of the things that I really learned 501 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: in the you know, spending time in China is to 502 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: say that you know the Chinese government. They sure you 503 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: can point to them, and we do quite frequently talk 504 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: about how they mistreatment of various parts of their society, 505 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: but they really do do things that are in the 506 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: interest of China. They actually do think quite seriously and 507 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: take very seriously how they want to progress their country. 508 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: They have these plans, they lay them out and then 509 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: they do them. And when they look at global trade, 510 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: that's exactly what they look at. And you could say, well, 511 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: they're exploiting American workers. Of course they are, and they're 512 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: exploiting their own workers to achieve a comparative advantage. 513 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 4: Of course they are, because that. 514 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: Is the most effective thing for them to do. And oh, 515 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: by the way, when you look at the way world 516 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: fail have gone since twenty twenty two, clearly China in 517 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: many ways is simply benefiting by not getting involved in 518 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: any of this nonsense that you see going on, but 519 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: also not cutting themselves off with Russia. So Russia has 520 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: to come to them as sort of a lender of 521 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: last resort type of situation. 522 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:21,719 Speaker 4: And boom, there you go. 523 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: You have this bricks block which isn't necessarily, as Darren 524 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: you said, isn't about to overtake the United States and 525 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: the Anglo American sphere, but it's certainly emergent a as. 526 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 4: A real entity. 527 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: And so the biggest thing that I learned coming out 528 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: of China is why is it that when I look 529 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: at Washington, d C. And I go throughout Washington, d C. 530 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: We spend so much time and everyone spends time obsessed 531 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: with the well being of people who don't live in 532 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: our country and nothing about the people who do live here. 533 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: And none of these actually are done for the benefit 534 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: of America. They're done based on these various delusions that 535 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: you outlined, And so the biggest thing I guess I 536 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: learned was why can't we have a brand of healthy 537 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: regard for our own country and our own actual interests. 538 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great that's a great question, and it's 539 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 3: just an interesting mix of greed, corruption, and delusional, fanatical ideology. 540 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 6: In many cases, that. 541 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 3: Applies to the Middle East to some degree, it applies 542 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 3: to Russia and increasingly applies to China. You know, the 543 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 3: thing about China that's you know you put so well 544 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 3: is the Chinese government delivered a massive increase in standard 545 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 3: of living. In fact, they created thriving cities where twenty 546 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 3: thirty years ago there was literally nothing. And so it's 547 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 3: an authoritarian system. It's the worst surveillance state in the 548 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 3: world outside perhaps of the UK, which might be on 549 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 3: an even footing at this point. But the thing is 550 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 3: that people get something out of that. They have their 551 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,280 Speaker 3: liberties restricted, and they never really had liberties to begin 552 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,240 Speaker 3: with that they in their historical memory, so it's less 553 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 3: of an injury even there. 554 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 6: But they get a lot of value for it. 555 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 3: They get material well being, they get increased standard of living, 556 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 3: whereas the circumstance in the United States, as I've described 557 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 3: as really. 558 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 6: The worst of both worlds. 559 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 3: We have unprecedented encroachments on our liberty, but we still 560 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:46,720 Speaker 3: have filthy and dangerous streets. 561 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 7: We are. 562 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 3: Living is plummeting. So it's this perverse combination of at 563 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 3: least if you're going to restrict our liberties, have been 564 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 3: common at increase in standard of living. But no, you 565 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 3: have the worst of both worlds. That's really kind of 566 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,839 Speaker 3: the problem. But then on the flip side of that, 567 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,919 Speaker 3: I would say the Chinese pragmatism which has served them 568 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 3: so well, So you put it using the communist ideology 569 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 3: as a skin suit, I say, there, China is no 570 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 3: more communist than America is a liberal democracy at this point. 571 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 4: Do you know that's correct? Do you know? 572 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: Sheijenping or excuse me Dungshaoping's famous phrase on this when 573 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: they asked him if China is still a socialist, he responded, 574 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,760 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if a cat is white or black. 575 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: It only matters if it catches mice. 576 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 3: Correct, And that pragmatism has served China very well. But 577 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 3: it's also the ceiling. And this gets back to what 578 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 3: I was saying earlier. China is utterly lacking in any 579 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 3: kind of global appeal or global charisma. And part of 580 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 3: that is that there's you know, nobody is really entranced 581 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:08,720 Speaker 3: or enchanted by simple pragmatism. And so in a way, 582 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 3: the fact that America and the Anglo American world is 583 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 3: very much almost by necessity, by nature, driven by ideologies 584 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 3: of universal appeal, driven by sort of cultural expression of 585 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 3: universal appeal, all of these things which happened to be 586 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 3: poisoned very deeply. But it is also the reason that 587 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 3: America can exert influence on the world in the way 588 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 3: that China never comes. 589 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 1: I mean, and so Derek can't when I when I go, 590 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: and I'm one of the last people, I guess who 591 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 1: actually looks at newsstands, and I look at the New 592 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 1: York Times cover every morning. I look at the Washington Post, 593 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,840 Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal, and then I'll look at those 594 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 1: like novels and that they're put there, those those like 595 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: dime store paperback novels, and it all seems to be 596 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,399 Speaker 1: it's all about it's either Russia or the Middle East, 597 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: Russia or the Middle East all day long. 598 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 4: If you're just. 599 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: Some guy who's working a job out in Ohio or 600 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,320 Speaker 1: in southern Maine or any part of the United States. 601 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 1: Of what interest is that to you? Of what direct 602 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: interest is it to that story? And you'll see these 603 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:26,280 Speaker 1: stories as well in local newspapers, and it's something where 604 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,799 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, maybe I have to take 605 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: it up with the estate of Tom Clancy, or I 606 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 1: guess maybe like Jack Carr these days, it's some of 607 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: these other novelists where it's like, you're right though. It 608 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,359 Speaker 1: is these fanciful notions of universal appeal that really lead 609 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: a lot of people down these paths. We are the heroes. 610 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 1: It's our job to save the world from itself. It's 611 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,800 Speaker 1: our job to defend the world against these nefarious, I 612 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 1: don't know, cartoonish notions of the czar or the chairman 613 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 1: is about to suddenly take over whatever. 614 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 4: And it's while we wallow. 615 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,720 Speaker 1: In these fanciful notions, our own cities and our own 616 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: infrastructure is crumbling. Literally, the bridge just collapsed in Baltimore Harbor, 617 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: one of the biggest ports of the United States. The 618 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 1: federal government is bailing it out, and they might not 619 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 1: even call it the Franciscott Key Bridge anymore. On the 620 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 1: site where the Star spangled banner itself was written, and 621 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 1: yet nobody seems to put all of this together. 622 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, me, infrastructure is obviously a big one, and that 623 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:34,360 Speaker 3: should frankly also be just a basic metric of success 624 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 3: in governance, is do we have It's another thing that 625 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 3: China's done pretty well. 626 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 6: We have crumbling infrastructure. 627 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 11: You know. 628 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 6: Obviously there are reasons for that. 629 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,360 Speaker 3: Our infrastructure is built before China, so it's easier to 630 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:49,439 Speaker 3: build everything and new. 631 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,799 Speaker 6: But still the amount of money. 632 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 3: That we've dedicated to it and what we've gotten out 633 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 3: of it is simply scandalous. And so these are just 634 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 3: the basic, the basic things. But sometimes the basic things 635 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 3: matter the most. So we've had all of these enturtailments 636 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,879 Speaker 3: of our liberties, and we don't even have you know, 637 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,800 Speaker 3: working bridges, We don't have working infrastructure. 638 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 6: In the way that we should. 639 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:19,360 Speaker 3: And so, but just going back to this point about 640 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 3: you know, people cannot ultimately. 641 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 6: Change their natures. We are what we are. 642 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 3: We are a certain way, the Chinese are a certain way. 643 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:33,360 Speaker 3: I think the Anglo American spirit will always be animated 644 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 3: by some degree of universal universalism and universal appeal, which 645 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,320 Speaker 3: is why it's been so dominant and successful in many ways. 646 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 3: The problem is that universal ideology and message is so 647 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 3: corrupted in poisonous and so the best case would be 648 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 3: is if we can go and kind of extract the 649 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 3: poison from it and maintain the global charisma and appeal, 650 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 3: that puts us in a better position than even China, 651 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,360 Speaker 3: who's practic smatism again has served them well up to 652 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,839 Speaker 3: a point, but it prevents them from achieving that kind 653 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,879 Speaker 3: of level of global influence that the West has been 654 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:10,800 Speaker 3: able to attain. 655 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,839 Speaker 1: And I think that's right, and I think there is 656 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,280 Speaker 1: a and that would probably have to be the subject 657 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 1: for another episode about the differences in the cultures, the 658 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 1: differences in the civilizations that produces that. But as we 659 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 1: go out, and I want to get to our final 660 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,360 Speaker 1: segment here, let's close all this out and talk about 661 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 1: how America can build itself and rebuild itself and rediscover 662 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 1: itself next year. 663 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:05,719 Speaker 6: Jack is a great guy. 664 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,359 Speaker 9: He's written that fantastic book. 665 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 3: Everybody's talking about it. 666 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 6: Go get it that. 667 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 7: He's been my bread right from the beginning of. 668 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,240 Speaker 6: This whole view and event. And we're gonna turned around 669 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 6: this micro country, try to get new payment. 670 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 1: All right, Jack Pasobic, we are back final segment, Darren 671 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,719 Speaker 1: Beat the Global Strategy Session. So, Darren, we've we've gone 672 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,719 Speaker 1: kind of all the way around the world. We've gone 673 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:35,279 Speaker 1: from Philadelphia in seventeen seventy six to the Beijing Olympics 674 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 1: as it were of two thousand and eight, which is 675 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: really China's sort of coming out party on the international stage. 676 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 4: And I would agree with you that while China has 677 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,479 Speaker 4: and man, we're gonna have to do in a whole 678 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 4: episode on why. 679 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: China has has hit a ceiling and why other countries 680 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,239 Speaker 1: aren't don't have that ceiling, and other civilizations, but our 681 00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 1: civilization states as it were, we are, we are America. 682 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,280 Speaker 1: Our culture is different, our demographics are different, our people 683 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,440 Speaker 1: are different, our history is different. I don't believe that 684 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 1: we have that same kind of ceiling. And if we 685 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,560 Speaker 1: can get pragmatically the way to go forward, I'm just 686 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,239 Speaker 1: going to say it. The easiest way to put it is, 687 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 1: take a look at what Elon Musk is doing, look 688 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:22,000 Speaker 1: at what. 689 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,280 Speaker 4: He is promoting. 690 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,560 Speaker 1: You don't have to agree with every single thing he says, 691 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 1: but the way he thinks of advancement and true progress, 692 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,879 Speaker 1: I feel offers a true way ahead for so many 693 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:36,239 Speaker 1: of us. 694 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:37,360 Speaker 4: On these issues. 695 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,040 Speaker 6: Absolutely, you know it's Elon. 696 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 3: Both Elon and Donald Trump are sort of quintessential American 697 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:51,400 Speaker 3: success stories. I think Trump is the most American expression 698 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,400 Speaker 3: of being you can ever think of that was instantiated 699 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:59,960 Speaker 3: in one person. Musk obviously in some respects as a foreigner, 700 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:04,480 Speaker 3: people you know kind of jokingly but accurately say African American. 701 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,879 Speaker 3: And I think in some ways these you know, Africans 702 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,680 Speaker 3: like uh, like Elon, and you know, a lot of 703 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:17,400 Speaker 3: the PayPal crowd has some sort of provenance in Africa. 704 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,719 Speaker 3: I think that makes sense because again, these these African 705 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:29,960 Speaker 3: outposts embody some of that frontier spirit that has. 706 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,520 Speaker 6: Dulled a bit in the United States. 707 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,440 Speaker 3: So I don't think it's simply accidental that a lot 708 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 3: of these extremely successful entrepreneurs like Elon Musk have some 709 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:47,640 Speaker 3: kind of African connection as sort of the last frontier. 710 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 6: As it as it were. 711 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,920 Speaker 3: But in any case, these are two figures who would 712 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:57,799 Speaker 3: not have been able to achieve their natural expression in 713 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,799 Speaker 3: any other context, but that of the United States of America. 714 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 3: Certainly could not have happened in China, but it couldn't. 715 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,120 Speaker 6: Have happened in Europe either. 716 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:11,560 Speaker 3: Europe is almost equally antithetical to the full expression of 717 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,919 Speaker 3: this human type. And I think this is the most 718 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,880 Speaker 3: encouraging development we've seen in this country in a long time. 719 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 3: If any configuration, if any kind of constellation or alignment 720 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:29,880 Speaker 3: could produce the conditions for American not only just American supremacy, 721 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 3: but for American flourishing of the American people, it's this 722 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 3: combination of Donald Trump and Elon Musk. 723 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:39,880 Speaker 6: So we'll have to see what happens. 724 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,120 Speaker 3: There's a lot of work to be done, but I'm 725 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,400 Speaker 3: cautiously optimistic about the outcome. 726 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,839 Speaker 4: No, I would be cautiously optimistic as well. 727 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:55,480 Speaker 1: And I love the idea of thinking forward. Our destiny 728 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 1: should be the stars. Our destiny should be this idea 729 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,000 Speaker 1: that America and our civilization. 730 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,479 Speaker 4: Can we hit the moon once? 731 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:04,960 Speaker 9: All right? 732 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,320 Speaker 4: We just did, Sorry, alex Stein. We did. 733 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,000 Speaker 1: And then we then we kind of stopped, and we 734 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 1: decided that rather than continue past the Moon or to 735 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,160 Speaker 1: do anything else on the Moon, we would get involved 736 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:23,000 Speaker 1: in Eurasia, and then we would invade the Middle East, 737 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,760 Speaker 1: and we would forget about Mars, and we would forget 738 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,680 Speaker 1: about space exploration, and we would just sort of we 739 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,760 Speaker 1: would just sort of give up and I think that's wrong, 740 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,000 Speaker 1: and I think it's near sighted. And I think that 741 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,319 Speaker 1: the people who are against these things don't have that 742 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:42,839 Speaker 1: ultimate sense of vision and that ultimate sense of understanding 743 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:47,680 Speaker 1: the possibilities of what could be. And there are times 744 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,200 Speaker 1: when you don't know what could be, you don't realize 745 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:56,239 Speaker 1: what could happen, but you do things anyway because you 746 00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:01,680 Speaker 1: believe in a greater potentiality than simply. 747 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,400 Speaker 4: The run of the mill day today. 748 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,920 Speaker 1: And so I think that's always been the American spirit. 749 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,319 Speaker 1: I think that if you look at the history of 750 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,040 Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties, I think that that had a lot 751 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,640 Speaker 1: to do with taking that spirit away. 752 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:16,600 Speaker 4: I think that the. 753 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:22,040 Speaker 1: Cold War paid a huge legacy on America and both 754 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,279 Speaker 1: materially and psychologically that we're still dealing with. And there's 755 00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,640 Speaker 1: a lot of baggage of the Cold War that not 756 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,440 Speaker 1: necessarily trauma, but I'll call it baggage because that's what 757 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,560 Speaker 1: it is that we are still working through in our government. 758 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,479 Speaker 1: And you get these you know, these forty year old 759 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,120 Speaker 1: and thirty year old Cold warriors that didn't even go 760 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,799 Speaker 1: through the thing, and yet they're still fighting the Cold War. 761 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,480 Speaker 1: It's like, guys, that it is not the nineteen nineties anymore. 762 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 4: It is certainly not the n eighties. I want to 763 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:51,640 Speaker 4: bring the eighties back. 764 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,360 Speaker 1: But you know, not all of it. But you know, 765 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,640 Speaker 1: just our final couple minutes, Darren Beattie to you, how 766 00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:58,600 Speaker 1: would you sum it up? 767 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:00,480 Speaker 6: Well? 768 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,160 Speaker 3: I agree, And I think one of the laudable aspects 769 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,840 Speaker 3: of Elon's approach to things is that he's thinking in 770 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:12,120 Speaker 3: the long term, not even necessarily the substance of his goals, 771 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,839 Speaker 3: but the fact that he's thinking of goals in the 772 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:19,839 Speaker 3: broader stretch, in civilizational terms of saying, Okay, my goal 773 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,320 Speaker 3: is to be a spacefaring people, how do we set 774 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,960 Speaker 3: that up? Is this consistent with the delusion or what 775 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,960 Speaker 3: he calls the woke command virus and all of these things, 776 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:34,239 Speaker 3: and he works from there, He backwards engineers from from 777 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,440 Speaker 3: the goal, and he's thinking in long terms. 778 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,560 Speaker 6: And that's that alone. 779 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:43,840 Speaker 3: Is somewhat radical for you know, people in the American economy, 780 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,360 Speaker 3: business people most most of the American economy, and people 781 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,320 Speaker 3: that you know managerial positions at least they're just thinking 782 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:57,640 Speaker 3: until the next earnings report, or entrepreneurs are just thinking, oh, 783 00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,760 Speaker 3: how do I build this up? Just to the degree 784 00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:03,000 Speaker 3: that that you know, some bigger entity can acquire us. 785 00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,719 Speaker 3: You know, nobody is thinking really in those longer term, 786 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:11,560 Speaker 3: you know, ambitious contexts, and that's again, that's something that's critical. 787 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,719 Speaker 3: It's it's an advantage that the deep State has. That's 788 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,160 Speaker 3: one of its defining features is that it can make 789 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,080 Speaker 3: long term plans. And so I think it's very encouraging 790 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,440 Speaker 3: to see Elon having this kind of long term vision 791 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,680 Speaker 3: because I think that is critical for long term. 792 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:32,600 Speaker 4: Success, long term vision for America and for American success. 793 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,799 Speaker 1: There's a Global Strategy session with Jack Psobek and the 794 00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,160 Speaker 1: Professor Darren Beattie. 795 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,680 Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen. As always, you have my permission to 796 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:40,200 Speaker 4: lay shore