1 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: Personally with. 2 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 2: Ygan Fuelsman. I know some of you may be bummed 3 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 2: that the Boyfriend Birthday series is over, and I'm not 4 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 2: saying the Boyfriend won't be back another time or two, 5 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 2: but we got to get back to some regularly scheduled programming. 6 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: The series kind of came out of nowhere. I wasn't 7 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: exactly sure how I was going to place these, but 8 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: it ended up being so perfect. So for this episode 9 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: and for next, I have two groups of sisters. One 10 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 2: group of sisters created an app that's changing the way 11 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: people date, especially in the chronic illness and disability community, 12 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: and the other group of sisters is changing the world 13 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 2: with human trafficking survivors and helping them get back on 14 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: their feet. So both of these two sets of sisters 15 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 2: have done incredible things. This week, you're gonna hear from 16 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 2: Jacqueline and Alexa Child. They founded the app Datability, and 17 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: it's something that I think everybody can get on board with, 18 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 2: not even if you're in the dating space anymore, but 19 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 2: maybe you know somebody who is. I think this app 20 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: will be a great foundation for a whole lot of people. So, 21 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 2: without further ado, let's get into this interview. Sisters, Jacqueline 22 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,479 Speaker 2: and Alexa Child are joining me this week, and I'm 23 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 2: really excited because they've created something so awesome. So first 24 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 2: of all, Jacqueline Alexa, thank you guys for joining me. 25 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having us. You're really excited. 26 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear this whole story. So you 27 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 2: guys created an app called Datability, and I don't even 28 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 2: want to say anything without you guys just sharing your 29 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 2: story and this app and what it is. So let's 30 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 2: start there. Tell everyone how this even got created. Who 31 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: you guys are, all that good stuff. 32 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 3: So Datability is the only dating app for disabled and 33 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 3: chronically ill people, And it came about because of my 34 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 3: personal experiences dating as a disabled woman. And so I 35 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 3: became disabled due to chronic illnesses when I was fourteen, 36 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 3: and once I entered adulthood and started using the dating apps, 37 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 3: I found that dating with a disability is really hard 38 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 3: and intimidating and negative, just overall toxic. And I couldn't 39 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 3: believe that there wasn't a place to meet people like me, 40 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 3: Like the only places that felt like you could meet 41 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 3: other chronically ill or disabled people was like support groups 42 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 3: or like clinical settings, and that just wasn't my vibe, 43 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 3: and so we really wanted to create a place where 44 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 3: people could meet others and connect and just really make 45 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 3: dating an equitable experience for our community. 46 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: Wow yeah, and talk about something that's going from your 47 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 2: own personal experience and then trying to create a better 48 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 2: situation not just for you but for others. So you 49 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: have this experience, what was that like for you when 50 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 2: you were dating and you were going out and you 51 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 2: did have a disabilit What was that experience like for you? 52 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: It was it was. 53 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 3: Tricky because I have invisible disabilities. I mean I appear 54 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 3: totally non disabled on the outside. If I'm fully clothed 55 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 3: and just walking down the street, someone would never know 56 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 3: I was disabled. So I had sort of the blessing 57 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 3: and the curse where I could hide it. But then 58 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 3: what does that mean for when it is time to disclose? 59 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 3: And how would I do that? How much would I tell? 60 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 3: And so sometimes I would just really like nonchalantly mention it, 61 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 3: and it almost always backfired and the person would end 62 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 3: up rejecting me. Sometimes I would be totally honest and 63 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 3: really tell them I have undergone over forty surgeries and 64 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:52,119 Speaker 3: this is my reality, and that would also result in rejection. 65 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 3: And you know, there were I did start dating one 66 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 3: guy and he seemed to be pretty accepting, and then 67 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 3: when he told his a mom that I was disabled, 68 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 3: she was not accepting and she convinced him to break 69 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 3: up with me and end it because she said she 70 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 3: didn't want her son to have to live a miserable 71 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 3: life dating someone with medical conditions. 72 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 2: And I imagine the turmoil that you went through emotionally 73 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 2: because of that. 74 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: Just you have been the one who's had this lived experience. 75 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 2: You're the person who's been in the entire situation the 76 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: whole time. You know what it entails, and you know 77 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 2: you didn't need people to tell you, but I can 78 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 2: imagine that that emotional toll that that took on you, 79 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,119 Speaker 2: that every time you had to keep your living. 80 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 3: It was also hard, absolutely and it really affected my 81 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 3: self esteem. 82 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: I it just became this like shell of a person. 83 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 3: I didn't want to be curious or explore my surroundings. 84 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 3: I was like, I like people put me in the 85 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 3: box of being a disabled person and that's where I'm 86 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 3: going to stay, and. 87 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: That's really like all I should be known for. 88 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 3: And it was really hard, and it took a couple 89 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 3: of years years, and it actually really kind of took 90 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 3: the pandemic to get me out out of that rut 91 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 3: and just sort of explore and be be more curious 92 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 3: about what life looks like living with a disability. 93 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: Yeah. 94 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 2: Absolutely. Now, Alexa, where do you come into the picture 95 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 2: into this. From what I've read, you do not have 96 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: a disability. But what's your role in all of this? 97 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I do not. 98 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 3: I don't have a disability or chronic illness. But I'm 99 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 3: Jacqueline's older sister. I'm older by four years in twelve days, 100 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 3: and so I'm very protective and always have been. And 101 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 3: I think that that protectiveness, you know, increased when she 102 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 3: got sick and had I saw her going through struggles 103 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 3: that I had never witnessed before, you know, with friends 104 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 3: or other family members. We've lived together. When after she 105 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 3: graduated college, she moved in with me in Denver, and 106 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 3: that's when she started dating and getting told these things 107 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 3: and going through these experiences, and they were completely opposite 108 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 3: from my dating experiences. 109 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: Dating does stuck across the board and it's hard. 110 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 3: But I never had to worry about the things that 111 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 3: she was worrying about, you know, whether I'd be discriminated 112 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 3: against because of a diagnosis, or if I would even 113 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 3: make it to the first date based on talking to 114 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 3: me on the apps. And so it really it was 115 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 3: sad to watch her go through this and to change 116 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 3: and to you know, feel less than and then to 117 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 3: see her date guys who liked her that were so 118 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 3: out of her. 119 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: She was way out of their league. 120 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 3: They were out of ear league too, but they did 121 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 3: not deserve her at all, not worthy. 122 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: It bugged me. 123 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 3: And then the pandemic hit and I ended up losing 124 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 3: my job due to COVID related budget cuts, and Jacqueline 125 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 3: was getting a feeding tube, and it made me panic 126 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 3: a little bit about what her social life and especially 127 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 3: dating would look like after that. And that's when I said, like, 128 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 3: let's make this space that you've been looking for ourselves. 129 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: No one else is going to do it, clearly, and 130 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: so let's just do it. 131 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 3: I'm a lawyer, so I maybe we can either create 132 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 3: or solve problems, and I'm the ladder and most of 133 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 3: the time, and so we that's what we did, and 134 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 3: we planned it when she was in the hospital recovering 135 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 3: our feeding too surgery. 136 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: Wow, okay, so you are in the hospital, you just 137 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: had your feeding tube surgery. You're thinking about, okay, what 138 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 2: this lifestyle change is doing. But also at the same time, 139 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 2: you guys were like, how do we create an app 140 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: to help other people? 141 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's pretty much it. 142 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 3: We googled how to create I literally googled how do 143 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 3: you build an app? Because I'm technologically challenged less so 144 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 3: now but never I mean none of us have a 145 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 3: technical background, so that was out of our wheelhouse. 146 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a really. 147 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 3: Good distraction for recovery, and it gave me something to 148 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 3: look forward to. 149 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: It gave me this sense of purpose. And you know, we. 150 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 3: We really didn't know what we were getting into, but 151 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 3: that was the start. That's the best low expectations. You know, 152 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 3: you set the bar low, you're most likely going to 153 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 3: be pleasantly surprised or at least you won't be disappointed. 154 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's where we you know, that's where we 155 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: found ourselves. This has taking off way more than we expected. 156 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 2: So then were you the first user on the app? 157 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 3: Also, it's really funny technically, yes, but it's throughout all 158 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 3: of this I've learned that, you know, like creating a 159 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 3: business is very time consuming and it doesn't leave that 160 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 3: much time for dating, and so I haven't been able 161 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 3: to use it as much as I wanted. But it 162 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 3: does feel different like dating because now I'm single by 163 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 3: choice and I'm dating on my terms. 164 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: And before, like Alexa said, like I would, I would 165 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: date anyone who wanted to date me. 166 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 3: My standards were very low, and now I feel like 167 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 3: I can be picky and that's really important to me. 168 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 3: And it's important for the community to have standards and 169 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 3: to really just realize that they deserve the love that 170 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 3: everyone else is looking. 171 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 2: For too well, and across the board in dating in general, 172 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 2: it's easy for us to be convinced that our standards 173 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 2: need to be lowered due to the environment that's out 174 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 2: there and what we see on social media. People are like, 175 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 2: lower your standards, you have too high of expectations, or well, 176 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 2: that's normal. I remember when I was sitting in my 177 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 2: therapist's office one time, and I had been cheated on 178 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: and pretty much every relationship I was in. I was like, so, 179 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 2: what I'm feeling is that I'm just gonna have to 180 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 2: be cheated on, right, Like, that's I just have to 181 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 2: accept that as part of my life. And she kept 182 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 2: repeating to me no, but that was my mentality, right. 183 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 2: And I think it's really sad in general in the 184 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 2: dating space that we've created this environment where you should 185 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 2: expect to have lower standards and it's okay to have 186 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 2: lower standards when the reality is exactly what you're saying, 187 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:31,359 Speaker 2: Jacqueline is, especially with someone who's dealing with a disability 188 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: or a chronic illness, that the exception is what we 189 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 2: should strive for, not the latter. 190 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, And people would always tell me like it would 191 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 3: take someone really special to like to date me. Basically 192 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 3: that was like very weird thing to wrap my head around. 193 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 3: I was like, I, I guess shouldn't take anyone like 194 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 3: that really special to date me. But I also get 195 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 3: it because like it, we are weeding out people who 196 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 3: will discriminate against you. But I mean, everyone deserves someone 197 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 3: really special. 198 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: Think that. 199 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 3: I mean, seeing all my friends get married, like some people, 200 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 3: they settle and it's really sad to see. And I 201 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 3: decided that, like, I am not going to settle for 202 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 3: anything that I deem less than. I mean, aside, I'm 203 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 3: thirty five, and so most of my friends are married 204 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 3: or getting married or in long term partnerships, and there's 205 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 3: this societal pressure for me to settle down. And I'm 206 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 3: single and you know, working multiple jobs, and I just 207 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 3: don't really have an interest right now. And I know 208 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 3: that person will be very special when they come along, 209 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 3: because it'll finally be like good enough for me and 210 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 3: like it'll fall right into place and it won't be hard. 211 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 3: But I think that there is this societal pressure for 212 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 3: women even now, even in twenty twenty five, to get married, 213 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 3: and then if you're still single, there's something like inherently 214 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 3: wrong with you, and that's not true. 215 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: So I could relate to that, but at the same 216 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: time being like, no. 217 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 3: Stop dating these duds, and you need to date somebody 218 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 3: in your league who is worthy of you, who is special, 219 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 3: but not special because like you're so difficult to deal with. 220 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 3: They're just special because they're good enough for you, exactly, 221 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 3: and you do deserve that. 222 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 2: And anybody who's dealing with someone like they're they're perfect 223 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 2: match is out there. And to convince these this especially 224 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 2: this group of people, that they aren't and that you 225 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 2: should settle is mind boggling to me. I will never 226 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 2: understand that. I think everyone is deserving of love, and 227 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 2: a special love at that. So I love that you 228 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 2: guys have created this space. Now what makes the space 229 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 2: on datability? Like, is there certain qualifications? There is there 230 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: questions that ask what makes it different from a bumble 231 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 2: or a hinge? What are the differences in those apps? 232 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 3: We had that question when we first started building, right, 233 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 3: like do we limited to just disabled and chronically old people? 234 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 3: And then if so, how do we verify that? That's 235 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 3: one taking a really personal information health data and from 236 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 3: like a legal perspective. 237 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 1: That made me nervous. 238 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 3: And then also I think that there's so much gray 239 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 3: area and disability and chronic illness that you know, there's 240 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 3: some people who are like, I don't know, you know, 241 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,599 Speaker 3: if I'm considered disabled, can I join? So we just 242 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 3: allow everyone to and whether they're disabled or not, you know, 243 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 3: do a minor vetting process of every user to make 244 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 3: sure that they're not predatory or they're not scammers, and 245 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 3: everyone is who they say they are. The non disabled 246 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 3: users we have are about seven to ten percent of 247 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 3: our user base, and their allies people with siblings who 248 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 3: are disabled, or their work you know, they work with 249 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 3: the disabled community. But yeah, I mean, I think it's 250 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 3: we really we started that question, like that's the first 251 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 3: question we answered. We just wanted it to be open 252 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 3: to everyone. The other apps can be so toxic and superficial. 253 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 3: So if you're not feeling the other apps, you can 254 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 3: join Datability And. 255 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 1: That's exactly what we wanted. 256 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we wanted to solve that problem that I 257 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 3: had with disclosure and how to tell and when to 258 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 3: tell someone about your chronic illnesses. And so obviously, like 259 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 3: if someone is joining Datability, they expect that our community 260 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 3: is going to have or be accepting of disability. But 261 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 3: we wanted to make it so that our users can 262 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 3: present their chronic illness or disability in a really natural 263 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 3: and neutral way. And so we created the Datability Deep 264 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 3: section and it's just like a vague list that the 265 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 3: people can add to their profile, like their political affiliation 266 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 3: or their education level. And we want it to be 267 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 3: just a part of who you are and not necessarily 268 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 3: like a medical chart, but just yeah, just an extension. 269 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: Of who you are and what your life looks like. 270 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, So like when I used tolect, I have a 271 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 2: dog and also I'm a female. This is what I'm 272 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 2: looking for. I also have this chronic illness. So it's 273 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 2: like a statement rather than I feel like I have 274 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 2: to disclose this information. 275 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 276 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 3: People have really said that that it's like takes all 277 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 3: of anxiety out of disclosing because it's just there and 278 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 3: you can put it on your profile and sort of 279 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 3: forget about it, and you know if more details come 280 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 3: up down the road when you're match. When you match 281 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 3: with someone, you can disclose more, but it's just like 282 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 3: out there and. 283 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: You know that it's up to the other users. 284 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 2: I love that so much, And that's so cool to 285 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 2: know that there's an app out there in general too, 286 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: because the apps can be very difficult in dating. I've 287 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 2: seen very many stages of it all and I've been 288 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 2: on pretty much every app that existed before I got 289 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 2: into my relationship, and it's cool to know that there's 290 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 2: more of a i would say, empathetic app in a 291 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 2: way that you're just it's more sensitive, more understanding, more 292 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 2: open minded, and it's cool to know that that exists. 293 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 2: And I think that's a space that a lot of 294 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 2: people outside of even the disability chronic illness community will 295 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 2: love to know about, because it is dating's hard, and 296 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 2: when you have at least a multitude of options, at 297 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 2: least you can try different things, and maybe you're looking 298 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 2: for the wrong type of people on one app, and 299 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 2: maybe with datability you can find a different type of 300 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 2: people exactly. 301 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 3: And you know, right now, obviously we're a smaller community 302 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 3: that compared to the other apps, and will always technically 303 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 3: be a smaller community, even though one in four people 304 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 3: have some sort of disability in the United States and 305 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 3: it's the world's largest minority, like it will be, it's 306 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 3: still a minority, right. But I think from my experiences 307 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 3: on like the Hinges and the Bumbles, when I would 308 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 3: log on, there were so many options and I'm not 309 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 3: really like a grass is Greener type of person, and 310 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 3: but I know people are, and so I know that, 311 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 3: like you know, makes the apps toxic and difficult to navigate, 312 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 3: But it still seems so daunting and overwhelming, Like it 313 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 3: just felt like I was there were just so many options, 314 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 3: like too many ice cream flavors. Yeah, yeah, I compare 315 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 3: it like walking into a forever twenty one. That's exactly 316 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 3: what I was gonna say, Like it's overwhelming, like you 317 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 3: could look, you could go around the most of it's cheap. 318 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: I know exactly that there's too much. Yeah, I agree, 319 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: it is like that, like walking through like. 320 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 3: I don't know, goodwill stresses me out for the same 321 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 3: reasons because it's like there's just too many things, and 322 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 3: I think that making you know, I look at my 323 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 3: parents and my grandparents and the way they met and 324 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 3: they married for decades and our parents are still married. 325 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 3: A smaller community was how people met back in the 326 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 3: day before the internet, and so we're trying to recreate 327 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 3: that but make it accessible by you know, providing this app. 328 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: Isn't that so funny when we look at that. 329 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously apps in general didn't exist, and a 330 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 2: lot more people met in person, But isn't it wild 331 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: to think about that back in the day? 332 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm so like that person. 333 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 2: But back in the day, people were meeting just by 334 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 2: way of knowing somebody and they got connected in a 335 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 2: certain way. And now we have this existence where we're like, dang, 336 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 2: we have to keep creating apps because nobody wants to 337 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 2: talk to each other. 338 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 339 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 3: I mean I think about like, our grandparents met at 340 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 3: a dance, and if they weren't and not like a 341 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 3: school dance, Yeah, they were in their early twenties. Yeah, 342 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 3: like whatever the dances they had in the fifties and 343 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 3: and like if they hadn't been at that place, like 344 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 3: they would have never met, they would have never cross 345 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 3: paths again, and it is that's just so wild. And yeah, now, 346 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 3: like I mean, I'm terrified of speaking to people, like 347 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 3: going up to people and just who I don't know 348 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 3: and strangers and that's just how it all used to be. 349 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 3: And I wish I could be a little more confident 350 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 3: in that and meet people online or offline. But mine 351 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 3: is accessible and it's convenient and I can do it 352 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 3: for my pajamas on my couch. 353 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 2: Well, and that's what I was gonna ask too, because 354 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 2: I'm you know, it's hard in general for people to 355 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 2: want to talk in person. Irl is like this you 356 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 2: know fantasy we think that we'll talk and connect with people, 357 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 2: and it's just really difficult, especially today for some reasons. 358 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 2: But is there an added layer of that for you 359 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 2: with having the disability where you just start even a 360 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 2: little bit more shy and don't want to put yourself 361 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 2: in those positions as much. 362 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it comes down to like both from 363 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 3: like a physical standpoint, like if I am in a 364 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 3: flare and I'm really tired and I'm you know, my 365 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 3: body is really hurting and I'm at home like that 366 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 3: obviously still gives me the opportunity to connect with people, 367 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 3: and that's something I'm really grateful for and definitely like 368 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 3: when I go out, like yeah, I mean, having a 369 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 3: disability can really affect your confidence and your body image 370 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 3: and just like your self esteem. And so it does 371 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 3: put that added pressure on to to try to meet someone, 372 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 3: and it's and it's just like having to waiting for 373 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 3: the other shoot a drop sort of is like when 374 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 3: you're when you meet someone. 375 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels a little bit better when it's just 376 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 2: all out there and you don't have to quite as 377 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 2: have that conversation. 378 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 1: Definitely. 379 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe one day we'll walk around with like hologram 380 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 3: dating profiles like on our chest. 381 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: They won't have ability. Yeah. 382 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 3: I mean I always say, like I really would like 383 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 3: to order my partner on Amazon, and I guess a 384 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 3: dating app is the closest thing that forget. 385 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 2: It very much? Is It's that joke that you often 386 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 2: see in comment sections where somebody's like, did you order 387 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 2: that off Amazon? Where do I find one? 388 00:18:58,040 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: Yes? Very much? 389 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 2: So. Now Alexa, for you, I'm so curious this side 390 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 2: of it where you did have the mama bear instinct 391 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 2: where you were protective over her and you were wanting 392 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 2: to make things better for her and didn't know how 393 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 2: this is a new avenue for you guys to do that. 394 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: But what is that like. 395 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 2: Supporting someone going through that? Because I know there's a 396 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 2: lot of people out there who are also in your 397 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 2: shoes and trying to support, whether it's a loved one 398 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 2: a friend. However, maybe you have some insight to share 399 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 2: that's from that perspective that people might want to hear 400 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 2: or need to hear. 401 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 3: Definitely, and I you know, I will say Jacqueline didn't 402 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 3: become disabled until she was fourteen, and so growing up, 403 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 3: it wasn't like there's this thing called the glass child 404 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 3: syndrum and it's the child that's not disabled often gets ignored. 405 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: And there were phases, you know, in life like that. 406 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 3: But I was an adult and I was in college 407 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 3: and I flew the coop and went across the country 408 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 3: for school, and so it. 409 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: Didn't really it definitely changed. 410 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 3: I think the way I view Jacqueline's disability and are 411 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 3: my relationship with her communicating is you know, I don't 412 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 3: know what Jacquelin's feeling all the time, even though I 413 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 3: spend every day with her, we live together. But if 414 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 3: we're on a walk with our dog, I will tell 415 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 3: her listen, you tell me when you want to turn back. 416 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: Because I'm not. 417 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 3: Disabled, I can off for miles. But you know, as 418 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 3: I let her, you know, I don't want her to 419 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 3: feel uncomfortable. And I don't think you ever feel uncomfortable 420 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 3: telling me okay, it's time now, or making sure that 421 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 3: she knows she's up for it. If you're not up 422 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 3: for it, like I can, you know, take another friend. 423 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 3: It's totally fine. And I think that that's really important 424 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 3: is asking questions. I think nowadays people are afraid to 425 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 3: ask questions because they're afraid of offending somebody. I think 426 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 3: things are really touchy, things are really tense, and I 427 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 3: get it because you know, I don't ever want to 428 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 3: offend anybody. But you're never going to know if you 429 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 3: don't ask the question, and you're assuming is like the worst. 430 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: Thing you can do. 431 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 3: And so there's a way to ask politely, and if 432 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 3: the person gets offended, you can explain that you didn't 433 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 3: mean it like that, that you you know, you just 434 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 3: want to know and understand. And so communication whether it's 435 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 3: your friend or your sibling. Is I think definitely the 436 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 3: best and the key part to you know, a relationship 437 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 3: that's healthy and it's fun, and then remembering that people 438 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 3: can have fun. 439 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: You know. 440 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 3: I think that we're in Colorado, so people want to 441 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 3: ski all the time, right, and so they don't like 442 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 3: Jacqueline because she can't ski every weekend. But I'm not disabled. 443 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 3: Then I love skiing, but I don't ski every weekend. 444 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 3: And like, also, why do we have to do all 445 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 3: the same things all the time? 446 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: Right? You know? 447 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 3: Maybe I love to hike, Jacqueline can't hike, so I hike. 448 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: That's when I see my friends, when I go and 449 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 1: get some alone time. 450 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 3: And so, you know, I think that there's other ways, 451 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 3: and there's other ways we do have fun, and I 452 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 3: think people forget that. And so just realize that you 453 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 3: can work around people's limitations, and communication helps. 454 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: Finding that work around. 455 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 3: And I think that you brought up a really good 456 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 3: point is that like chronically ill people have a lot 457 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 3: of fun, and there is that paradox of like, well, 458 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 3: if you're so sick, and you shouldn't be doing that 459 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 3: and you should be at home all the time, and 460 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 3: there's a lot of judgment around that, and especially if 461 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 3: you post it on social media, it's like, how can 462 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 3: you possibly be disabled and like have a smile on 463 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,239 Speaker 3: your face at the same time. That's what people hear 464 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 3: all the time, and it's it couldn't be further from 465 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 3: the truth. Disabled people are really adaptive. We are really 466 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 3: just flexible in and find things that work for us 467 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 3: so that our lives are still fulfilling. 468 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 2: I love that, and I love that you mentioned that, 469 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 2: because it is we like to put people in boxes. 470 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: We hear somebody. 471 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 2: Has a disability or chronic illness and we're like, well, 472 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 2: you're over here. I can't let you be over here. 473 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 2: And that's just not how anything works. You know, you 474 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 2: wouldn't want to be put in a box. It's like, oh, 475 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 2: you're blonde, Well you're going to be put in this box. Cool, 476 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 2: thanks for that. I'm I'm fine. I can do things 477 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 2: brunettes like to do. 478 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: What do you mean? 479 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 2: So it's an interesting dynamic that people do want to 480 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 2: put you in a box and you're not supposed to 481 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 2: be or just as dynamic as anybody else. It just 482 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 2: looks a little bit different. And understanding that those differences 483 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 2: are actually really cool. 484 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 3: We have hosted bar crawls in Denver and a lot 485 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 3: of the people who showed up we're wheelchair users, and 486 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 3: like watching other people's faces at the bar, look at 487 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 3: you know, this group of like twenty wheelchair users, or 488 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 3: like we're crossing downtown Denver and there's like twenty wheelchair 489 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 3: users crossing the street. It is like pretty incredible hilarious too. 490 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 3: And we've had people ask like what is this. Yeah, 491 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 3: they're like, gosh, what is going on? And we're like so, 492 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,479 Speaker 3: we're just like it's just a gathering. And like seeing 493 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 3: that disabled people party can make people uncomfortable and I'm like, 494 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 3: I truly do not understand that if someone uses a 495 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 3: wheelchair that like takes all of their desires away and 496 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 3: it's just so so shortsighted. 497 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 1: But it is really cool to. 498 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 3: See like the communities come out and just really trying 499 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 3: to like bridge the gap between the non disabled community 500 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 3: and the disabled community. 501 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 2: Because it should be as one. 502 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: That's the whole point. 503 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 2: And that's what you guys, as sisters are really beyond 504 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 2: the app That's what you're also trying to do is say, hey, 505 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 2: we can coexist. 506 00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: We should be able to co exist. 507 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 2: Why aren't we And it's bridging that gap that's kind 508 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 2: of been missing, so beyond the app, I think that's incredible. Jacqueline, 509 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 2: on the flip side of what I asked Alexa and 510 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 2: how she supports you, how do you feel the most supported. 511 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 2: Maybe it's from your sister, but also just in general, 512 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 2: maybe it's from strangers or life or social media. It 513 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 2: kind of can be all over the board, But I'm 514 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 2: curious for you what that support looks like to you 515 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 2: and what really impacts the most for you. 516 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 3: I think it's having people not necessarily believe me, but 517 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 3: have confidence that I know what's best for myself, and 518 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 3: that is something that a lot of people deal with 519 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 3: disability or not. But making sure that people understand like 520 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 3: I have autonomy, I can make my own choices. I 521 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 3: have chronic illnesses, and I might not always make the 522 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 3: choices that are healthiest for my chronic illness. But there's 523 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 3: like pros and cons to everything, and if I might 524 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 3: want to do something that's really good for my mental 525 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 3: health but it's terrible for my disability, and just yeah, 526 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 3: having that having people trust me that I know what 527 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 3: I'm doing and I can take care of myself the best. 528 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 2: Have there been moments because I have sisters as well, 529 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 2: and I know our spats are so much fun, especially 530 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 2: when they're over, But I'm curious, between you two, have 531 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 2: there been moments where there's just you have these spats 532 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 2: because you have to, because it's understanding somebody a little 533 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 2: bit differently. So what does that look like in a 534 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 2: relational standpoint too, because I think that's also very encouraging 535 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 2: to people to hear that maybe they're not alone and 536 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 2: having those intense moments where it's like you're not hearing 537 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 2: me and you're not seeing me or understanding this. 538 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 3: Yes, we have had lots of moments like that, not 539 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 3: necessarily like related to business, but personal. 540 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: I mean growing up, we were at each other's throats 541 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: all the time. 542 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 3: She's four years older, so that makes me the annoying 543 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,199 Speaker 3: little sister, And like when she was sixteen, I was 544 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 3: twelve and all I wanted to do was be with Alexa, 545 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 3: and she couldn't get farther away from me, and so 546 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 3: I would tattle on her and get her grounded so 547 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 3: she would be for staying out with me. But we 548 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 3: definitely still have our moments and they are very tense 549 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 3: where Alex is like a professional fighter and she's just 550 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 3: great at it and I am not. And I love 551 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 3: to give the silent treatment and that is like Alex's. 552 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: Biggest pet fee. 553 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 3: But it's like those things like just have to happen, 554 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 3: like if you spend enough time with someone, that's gonna happen. 555 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 3: And we we always get through it pretty quickly, A 556 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 3: simple sorry, fix this thing. Yeah, it's less and less 557 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 3: is the go on. Now you'd bicker more like an 558 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 3: old married couple. Well, were just home last week when 559 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 3: we heard our parents bickering, and like the next day 560 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 3: we started pickering about something with the app and I 561 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 3: felt like. 562 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: She wasn't hearing me. 563 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 3: And then I was like, oh my god, we becaund 564 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 3: just like mom and dad insane And we're FaceTime moving 565 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 3: with our grandma yesterday and I think, not bickering, but 566 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 3: like move or like don't touch me, like get out 567 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 3: of the way, and she's like, oh my god, you 568 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 3: guys are just like you were when you were little. 569 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 1: Nothing. So we definitely do bicker like that. 570 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 3: The first year that we lived together, we definitely had 571 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 3: bigger fights that were bigger, But I think the ones 572 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 3: the pan the pandemic that broke people up or brought 573 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 3: them together, and for us, that brought us closer together. 574 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 3: We were literally stuck with each other all the time, 575 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 3: and so we had to figure out how to coexist. 576 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 3: And so now we fight a lot less, but we 577 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 3: have had our moments for sure. 578 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, and that that's all so normal. I 579 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 2: trust me again, as having three older sisters, I know 580 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 2: exactly that dynamic, but even more so that you guys 581 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 2: are business partners and you lived together and then there 582 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 2: was like you just had so many dynamics. 583 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: So there's so much realness to that. So thanks for sharing. 584 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: I know that's probably an odd question. You're like, Oh. 585 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 3: There's like it sort of feels good because there's no 586 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 3: one else I would be like we would be able 587 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 3: to speak to someone else like that, and so we 588 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 3: can be so open and honest with each other and 589 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 3: we know we'll make up and that's it's great for 590 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 3: the business, it's great for our relationship, our friendship, and 591 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 3: it just start fresh every time and it's it's totally normal. Yeah, 592 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 3: I've never told a coworker that they're really annoying and 593 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 3: it's and it's over. 594 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: I love that. 595 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 2: What have you guys learned maybe it's about yourselves or 596 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 2: maybe it's about each other in starting this business, as 597 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 2: you know, and it can be completely unrelated to business, 598 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 2: or it can be about business. But there's kind of 599 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 2: different factors here. So you guys can take that route whichever. 600 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: I'll let you go first. Okay. 601 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 3: I think that I would say that we've learned that 602 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:50,479 Speaker 3: like executing and doing, like just going for it and 603 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 3: winging it is so invaluable. 604 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: And that. 605 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 3: If you have an idea, you should just go for it. 606 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 3: And that's something it's really it's really scary, and it's intimidating, 607 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 3: and we just you just have to do it and 608 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 3: see and try and see what happens. Yeah, I'm trying 609 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 3: to still think about what I've learned because it's been 610 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 3: there's been so much and I never thought that datability 611 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:17,479 Speaker 3: would take off the way it did. 612 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: I always hoped, but I never thought that it actually would. 613 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 3: And so that, you know, that's something that I learned 614 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 3: that together we can make a great team. We I 615 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 3: realize that we are different in a lot of ways 616 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 3: too that I didn't realize, and that we compliment. 617 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: Each other really well. 618 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 3: I dream big and I've got a lot of ideas, 619 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 3: but executing them is always not always my thing, you know. 620 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: But Jacqueline's really good at that. 621 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 3: She's the person that when we move, she wants to 622 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 3: unpack all the boxes, like the day we move. And 623 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 3: so if I tell her, like I have this idea, 624 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 3: like how do we go about this, she can get 625 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 3: it done. 626 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: I think. You know, watching Jacqueline. 627 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 3: Who before this has never had a real job before, 628 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 3: you know, really come into her own. That's been awesome 629 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 3: to see and watch her develop. You know, for the 630 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 3: first two and a half years of abilities existence, she 631 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 3: did all of our pr you know, we traveled a 632 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 3: ton together. Yes, I've never traveled like that, just you 633 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 3: and me. We have a nice little routine now. Soever 634 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 3: we go with our parents anywhere, they like cause chaos 635 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 3: because we have our routine down. But yeah, I've wonned 636 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 3: a lot about our relationship, all good things. 637 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 2: You just mentioned something that I guess I didn't realize. So, Jacqueline, 638 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 2: this is your first time working, Yeah, okay, tell me 639 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 2: a little bit more about that. 640 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: I graduated college in twenty sixteen. 641 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 3: And then I got my master's online and I had 642 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 3: this whole plan of working in a children's hospital and 643 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 3: being a childlife specialist, and. 644 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: I was on my way to doing that, and then. 645 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 3: My health took an even more downward tumble and it 646 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 3: put all of my plans on what I thought was a. 647 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: Pause, but it really just came to an end. 648 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,719 Speaker 3: I mean, I spent four years just really being a 649 00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 3: professional patient. I was at the doctor's almost every day, 650 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 3: recovering from surgery after surgery, get doing procedures, and there 651 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 3: was just no way that anyone would even ever hire 652 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 3: me because I was to most people, I looked unreliable, 653 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 3: and so I was just really trying to get my 654 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 3: health in a more stable place. And so this has 655 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 3: really let me feel like I'm a contributing member of society, 656 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 3: which is something I struggled with, and it's something that 657 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 3: I know a lot of disabled people. 658 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: Who aren't working struggle with. 659 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 3: And it sucks because it's all just like part of 660 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 3: the capitalistic mindset that you have to work to be 661 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 3: contributing to society. And I wish I could change that 662 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 3: that that's like a whole systemic belief, but it's but 663 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 3: this has really just gave me that purpose and it 664 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 3: feels really good to be my own boss and to 665 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 3: make my own schedule and to know my own limits 666 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 3: and boundaries. And you're very dependable, I hope, but you 667 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 3: realize that you know that she is. She follows through 668 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,040 Speaker 3: with everything. I'm not her keeper but at all. And 669 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 3: you know, I think that's a misconception, is that I 670 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 3: take care of Jacqueline. 671 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: We take care of each other. We're sisters, we're family. 672 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: But you know, you are dependable, and so any employer 673 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: would be lucky to have you. But datability is the luckiest. 674 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's so cool. And I'm just really glad 675 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 2: that it all came together how it was supposed to, 676 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 2: for this job and for the app and everything for you. 677 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 2: I know, probably in those moments, it didn't feel like 678 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 2: that would ever happen, and to be here now, you're 679 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 2: probably sitting looking back at the entire course of how 680 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 2: things worked out, and you're like, wow, I wish I 681 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 2: just would have known, you know, so I could have 682 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 2: not had to go through all of that. 683 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean I just the stuff I wish I 684 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 3: could have could tell my younger self and just like 685 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 3: it's okay, you'll you'll get there. Everyone has their own timeline, 686 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 3: and you know, you you gained some pretty important perspectives 687 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 3: early on in life and it all let. 688 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: Me hear, Yeah, I love that. 689 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 2: Now is their potential plans, say, datability keeps blowing up, 690 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 2: which that's the whole point. Are you guys hoping to 691 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 2: also hire in that same realm of disability chronic illness 692 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 2: and just hopefully employ more people. 693 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And we really want to contribute to the disabled workforce. 694 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 3: And we know that people with disabilities are less likely 695 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 3: to be hired, and there are still some really nasty 696 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 3: policies out there that allow disabled people to earn less 697 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 3: than minimum wage, and we just want to change that 698 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 3: and really contribute to the quality of life and well 699 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 3: being of the disability community as a whole. 700 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, the thought of hiring people like freaks me out. Yeah, 701 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: but not there. 702 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have to be a boss of someone. But 703 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 3: and I'm always bad cop jack one makes me always 704 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 3: be bad cops. So if we have to fire somebody, 705 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 3: I know it's going to be me who's going to 706 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 3: do the firing. But yeah, that's our plan. I mean, 707 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 3: we want datability to become a household name, you know, 708 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 3: like tinder Bumble. We want it to be referenced in 709 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 3: TV shows and in movies and just help people know 710 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 3: what it is and really destigmatized disability and intimacy and 711 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 3: desigmatize like the misconception that disabled people aren't contributing members 712 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 3: of society. And I think hiring them, you know, whoever's qualified, 713 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 3: is a great way to do so. 714 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: That makes me so happy. 715 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 2: I assumed, and I know that that's future plans and 716 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 2: all the things, but it's cool that you guys also 717 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 2: have a vision for moving forward because I have no 718 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 2: doubt the app is going to keep moving forward and 719 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 2: it's going to be awesome, So it's cool that you 720 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,360 Speaker 2: guys are already planning for that. I do love to 721 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 2: end the podcast on whether it's a quote, a piece 722 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 2: of advice, motivation, or maybe something we just didn't get 723 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 2: to that's really heavy on your heart. It's kind of 724 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 2: how I always end these, and I want you both 725 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 2: to share one so or if there's one together that 726 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 2: you're like, we both feel this way, we will both 727 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 2: want to talk about this. 728 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I've been listening to the Neary Taylor Swift 729 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,720 Speaker 3: album Naturally like all of us, and she keeps talking 730 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 3: about the song Opalite and choosing your own joy, and 731 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,399 Speaker 3: I think that that is a really important message for people. 732 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 3: And that's something that I've always lived by is just 733 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 3: finding the happiness and the joy and the humor in everything. 734 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 3: I look for something to be happy about every day, 735 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 3: even like passing a cute dog. I'm like that that 736 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 3: dog is really cute and that made me smile and 737 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 3: I'm grateful for that. And it's like not in a 738 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 3: toxic positivity way, but more of like this is like 739 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 3: life is hard and life is tough, and so if 740 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 3: there's a little crack in there that you can fill 741 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 3: with joy, I'll do it. 742 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: And so yeah, I say, like, choose your own joy. 743 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 3: There is joy in everything, and there it's out there. Yeah, 744 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 3: I think perspective is everything. But for me, I'm going 745 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 3: to talk more about the app actually that you know, 746 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,320 Speaker 3: for listeners, we've got tens of thousands of users, several 747 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 3: success stories. Our first Datability wedding is in February twenty 748 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 3: twenty six. 749 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: WHOA, this is exciting. Hold on, that's exciting. 750 00:35:58,960 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 2: I want you to keep going. 751 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 1: But that's so exciting. 752 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, And so that's what I want people to know, 753 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 3: because doc I agree on the choosing the happiness and 754 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 3: the importance of perspective. But I want to let everyone 755 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 3: know that, you know, we created datability and it's working 756 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 3: and it is you know, it is successful. We our 757 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 3: first success story dates back to the month we launched. 758 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 3: We probably had the one thousand people in the app. 759 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 3: Then now we're close to fifty thousand. And yeah, that 760 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 3: a different couple is getting married in February not our 761 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 3: first success story. And every time, you know, we do 762 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 3: some kind of outreach or press, we get more and 763 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 3: more stories about, you know, people finding relationships and they 764 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 3: don't always work out. Breakups, you know, happen, that's normal, 765 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 3: and they usually break up for a really really common reasoning, 766 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 3: Oh I wasn't over my ex. It has nothing to 767 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 3: do with the disability or chronic illness that somebody has. 768 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 3: But yeah, it is working and yeah, first did Ability 769 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 3: wedding February twenty twenty six, and. 770 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 2: Shout out to the wedding. First of all, incredible, that's 771 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 2: exciting and a huge milestone. But more than that, the relationships, 772 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 2: even if they don't work out, that you guys are 773 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 2: creating an environment for people to have safe and welcoming relationships, 774 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 2: and that itself is what you guys were trying to accomplish, 775 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 2: and it seems like you're doing just that, so that's 776 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 2: also something to celebrate and really awesome. 777 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: Nice. Yeah, we're excited. 778 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 3: We want you know, even if you don't meet your 779 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 3: person on datability, if Datability is at stepping stone, you know, 780 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 3: get your feet wet and go on some dates and 781 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 3: figure out what you want and you know who you are. 782 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 1: I think that's perfectly fine. That's exactly what we're here for. 783 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 2: I love that so much, and I'm just really appreciative 784 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 2: that you guys took some time and we're sharing your 785 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 2: whole story today. So thank you guys for being here. 786 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 2: We will make sure make sure you guys go download. 787 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,959 Speaker 2: I'm assuming it's on Android, Apple, all the things datability 788 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 2: is the app yep. All right, we'll go check it 789 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 2: out and hopefully you guys have some wild success stories 790 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,240 Speaker 2: that they can keep sharing moving forward in another Datability wedding, 791 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,399 Speaker 2: also in twenty twenty six, because you know, twenty five 792 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 2: five we're a little bit towards the end. 793 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's time. That is also a bad year. Let's 794 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 1: just wrap up. Why have I be done with it? 795 00:37:58,480 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 2: Right? 796 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 1: Deal? Twenty twenty six, we're gonna have one every month. 797 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 1: That's the goal one. 798 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 2: It's always fun for me as an interviewer to hear 799 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 2: stories like Jacqueline and Alexa's where they just changed their 800 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 2: entire lives because they saw a need and they went 801 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 2: after it. That's so awesome to me, and I'm honored 802 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 2: that they came on to talk all about that and 803 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 2: share their story. Next week, the Ring True Sisters joined me. 804 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 2: They're a company I've been working with for a while 805 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 2: because I love what they're doing and it's so so cool. 806 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 2: They're also going to make a great Christmas gift, so 807 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 2: get ready for that one. But more than anything, I'm 808 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,400 Speaker 2: so happy that you're here. So make sure you subscribe 809 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 2: to the podcast if you haven't already. 810 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:30,959 Speaker 1: Give it a rating. 811 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 2: Five stars would be awesome, because you know, people always 812 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,720 Speaker 2: have mean opinions, but we're trying to keep a space 813 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 2: of positivity over here on the podcast, and you can 814 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 2: go follow the podcast Instagram at take this personally, but 815 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 2: for now, we'll yap with you guys next week.