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Speaker 2: Look at us now, tip to tip. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion. That's the spirit we bring to

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Speaker 2: this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 2: Oh friggin yeah. How about that hump day, but a

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Speaker 2: special one Thanksgiving Eve, Wednesday, November twenty second, twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 2: the award winning Morning Combat. Oh it's back, baby, trust us,

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Speaker 2: It's back and it is back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Brian Campbell right here, you know the offha fella

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Speaker 2: the BBC with that Bde my award winning co host,

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Speaker 2: It's Luke Thomas and Luke where I come from. The

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Speaker 2: Wednesday night before Thanksgiving it means one thing Valley New Year,

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Speaker 1: Wednesday night is the first night that everyone who went

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Speaker 1: been a rematriculation back home. That's the key.

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Speaker 2: Look are you speaking in robot voice or are you

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Speaker 2: broadcasting live from the Lincoln Tunnel. I can't necessarily pick

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Speaker 2: up your audio. Maybe the people at home are picking

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Speaker 2: it up great, but we have a technical difficulty your audio.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like it's being chewed up and then spit

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Speaker 2: It's like, okay, let's put the camera back on BC. Hey,

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Speaker 2: it's BC right here, and let me tell you a

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Speaker 2: few things about this fantastic show. Right You can like

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Speaker 2: of course, Showtime pay per View. God, it's David Benavitez,

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Speaker 2: among a few other things. And why don't I talk

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Speaker 2: And we had breaking news officially the PFL has purchased Belatur.

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Speaker 1: That they haven't made NBC, I'm going to take this

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Speaker 2: available from the UFC because of the amendments made to

433
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Speaker 2: the contracts post in Ganu's exit. Yes, there's a potentially

434
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Speaker 2: dark and sobering reality there. But I've got to applaud

435
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Speaker 2: the PFL. I've been critical, right. I thought two or

436
00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,080
Speaker 2: three years ago they had a really big that woke

437
00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,160
Speaker 2: me up to their future and what they could do.

438
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Speaker 2: This year has not been great. Kayla didn't fight. She'll

439
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,400
Speaker 2: fight this Friday. They didn't attract the big name free

440
00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:14,080
Speaker 2: agents they wanted to that could immediately fight. There's been

441
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Speaker 2: some hiccups with drug testing. There's been There was the

442
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Speaker 2: matchmaking decision of that fight that they pulled the two

443
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Speaker 2: guys with Natan Schultz from the tournament. There's been some hiccups.

444
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Speaker 2: But I've got to say this, Luke, whether or not

445
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Speaker 2: it works, I'm not here to say did they make

446
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Speaker 2: the right moves to go big and announce themselves next

447
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Speaker 2: year and give themselves a fighting chance. I might want

448
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Speaker 2: to say yes, Luke. I might want to hold some

449
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,920
Speaker 2: optimism because overall, I feel like this presentation it kind

450
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Speaker 2: of hit the right notes that they would need to

451
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Speaker 2: to try to make. As crazy as it sounds, this big,

452
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Speaker 2: ambitious run to try to compete here.

453
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta tell you I don't buy any of that.

454
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Speaker 1: Wow Wow, Yeah, I don't. The PFL is trying to

455
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Speaker 1: do what you say they are doing. And I tell you,

456
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,400
Speaker 1: I don't buy it. I'm not saying I think it's

457
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Speaker 1: some kind of scam or something that's not in any

458
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Speaker 1: way what I'm talking about. I think that these guys

459
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,679
Speaker 1: are trying and you know, for example, like offering you

460
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Speaker 1: can do boxing like Francis did, We're gonna put that

461
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Speaker 1: in your contract, Like that is a big deal, that's

462
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,920
Speaker 1: a meaningful help. That is they That is them bending

463
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Speaker 1: over backwards honestly in order to recruit tun now they

464
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Speaker 1: have to just sort of given where the marketplace is.

465
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Speaker 1: But you know, they are doing it, and I do

466
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Speaker 1: recognize that. I recognize the effort bec and I hope

467
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Speaker 1: you understand what I mean when I say that, I

468
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:30,760
Speaker 1: don't think that they're just coming up with a bunch

469
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Speaker 1: of bs. Like they're trying what they know how to

470
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Speaker 1: do in terms of just really making inroads. And perhaps

471
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Speaker 1: some of these guys will do it. But I just

472
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Speaker 1: need folks to understand Listen to me very clearly, there

473
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Speaker 1: is it is not possible short of some kind of

474
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Speaker 1: scandal rocking the UFC in some kind of way, or

475
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Speaker 1: some other sort of government intervention. Short of that, they

476
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Speaker 1: cannot you cannot compete with them. It is not possible.

477
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Speaker 1: You can, it cannot be done. Uh. And I again,

478
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Speaker 1: when I go back to this conversation, we had a

479
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Speaker 1: little bit on Monday and previous other times where you

480
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 1: look at you you were tweeting us in the group

481
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Speaker 1: text we have BC about the financial runway for one

482
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,119
Speaker 1: might run out next year unless they can get some

483
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Speaker 1: kind of Katari investment or you know, we know what

484
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Speaker 1: Bellatore turns out didn't make money one time and its

485
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Speaker 1: entire existence in PFL and.

486
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Speaker 2: Bloody Elbow Anton Ta Boyna had that story yesterday.

487
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And so you know, people keep looking at

488
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Speaker 1: this and being like, oh, it's cause you know, no

489
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Speaker 1: one else can make money. And we'll talk about this

490
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Speaker 1: a little bit on Friday Show. But it's like if

491
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Speaker 1: you took the entire executive leadership team from UFC and

492
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Speaker 1: then put them in these PFL or these belat war situations,

493
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Speaker 1: they couldn't save those companies either. They cannot they cannot

494
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Speaker 1: be saved. So I don't want folks to not think

495
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Speaker 1: this is a big deal. It's a big deal for

496
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Speaker 1: a number two to really fortify itself the way that

497
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Speaker 1: it has That is important. That's big, and it will

498
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Speaker 1: change a lot about MMA outside of the UFC. But BC,

499
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Speaker 1: here's how you know, nothing will really change. Nothing did

500
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Speaker 1: chare with the UFC. It wasn't like they lost five

501
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: bantam weights all at once. It wasn't like there was

502
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,640
Speaker 1: an exodus of twenty percent of the roster or Connor

503
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: left or anything. All that we saw was that two

504
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 1: forces outside the UFC came together. It still remains the

505
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 1: truth about the fight world that at every point in time,

506
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Speaker 1: the public perceives a certain amount of guys in certain

507
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Speaker 1: situations as the legit ones. And it's always not necessarily

508
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Speaker 1: the most rational observation, but it is the one that

509
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Speaker 1: they have, and in this case it's mostly rational, certainly,

510
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: and most folks view the UFC guys as the ones

511
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Speaker 1: who are the most legit. That sort of the gold standard.

512
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Speaker 1: That's what the UFC is protecting through their contracts, through

513
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Speaker 1: their tolling provisions. I cannot overstate this enough, folks. Unless

514
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Speaker 1: that is changed, it is not possible to compete with them.

515
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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter how many Harvard MBAs you have on

516
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Speaker 1: your team, and it doesn't matter how much sovereign wealth

517
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Speaker 1: money you have to back up your enterprise. It cannot

518
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Speaker 1: be done.

519
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Speaker 2: Accept it. Are you saying when we say compete now

520
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 2: we have to say compete head to head because that's

521
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Speaker 2: kind of what Don Davis is saying. I mean, if

522
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Speaker 2: you follow Don Davis's public comments in the past year,

523
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Speaker 2: he is not suggesting that they plan on being happy

524
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Speaker 2: as the new number two. And I think we can

525
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Speaker 2: argue if they combine the rosters here, which they did,

526
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Speaker 2: they are the clear number two. He's trying to compete

527
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Speaker 2: head to head. But do you think there is a

528
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Speaker 2: world in twenty twenty four? Since I do think it

529
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Speaker 2: will take a little bit of time to get the

530
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Speaker 2: type of free agents, meaning the in their prime who

531
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Speaker 2: still have value to UFC level of free agents to

532
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Speaker 2: come over that's gonna ultimately dictate the success. We keep

533
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Speaker 2: talking about that because it's true, but there are different

534
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Speaker 2: levels of competing. There's competing head to head financially against

535
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Speaker 2: the UFC, which is gonna be hard to impossible for

536
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Speaker 2: anyone ever, although again, when you have saudy money it

537
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Speaker 2: does change the equation. Is there a more short term

538
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Speaker 2: win twenty twenty four that maybe if they aren't signing two, three, four,

539
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Speaker 2: five huge free agents. Maybe they're just having success. Think

540
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 2: of how the success Belatore had in the last Spike

541
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Speaker 2: TV iteration where they were getting really stupid live TV ratings,

542
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Speaker 2: doing a lot of carnival things to get there, but

543
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Speaker 2: that's what they were doing. Could you see a short

544
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Speaker 2: term scenario where I know you're identifying, okay, long term

545
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Speaker 2: you want to go head to head on every level

546
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Speaker 2: with the UFC. Luke Thomas does not believe they have

547
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Speaker 2: set themselves up for that. But is there a more short,

548
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 2: short term middle ground where they could advance the brand

549
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 2: name next year which is always contingent on wherever they

550
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 2: go with their TV deal of course, and they can

551
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Speaker 2: start gaining big wins through let's say, surprising pay per

552
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,239
Speaker 2: view hits that do well business wise through you know,

553
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Speaker 2: when you mix these rosters together, Luke, automatically, it's gonna

554
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 2: make the PFL regular season more must watch. It just will.

555
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Speaker 2: So do you think that they can still win on

556
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Speaker 2: levels that maybe don't don't equal We're gonna go head

557
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Speaker 2: to head with the UFC within two years? Nobody can

558
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 2: the built up I mean even AEW trying to go

559
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Speaker 2: head to head with WWE. They've had wins, but they're

560
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 2: not set up long term to be equal or takeover.

561
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 2: Right there, they've created their niche in the market. Has

562
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Speaker 2: PFL at least succeeded in your eyes, of taking what

563
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Speaker 2: they already had and really ramping it up to the

564
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,239
Speaker 2: next level where maybe not head to head competition, but

565
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Speaker 2: making noise in this space, the noise that leads to

566
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Speaker 2: more money down.

567
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Speaker 1: The road potentially potentially. So you're asking, like, for example,

568
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Speaker 1: what would be again, You can't Rome wasn't built in

569
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: a day, It's not going to come undone in a day.

570
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Speaker 1: But what would be an example of the PFL. I

571
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: think moving the chains forward. Now, your mileage or the

572
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Speaker 1: audience's mileage on what I'm about to say might vary.

573
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Speaker 2: It might vary.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it mighty ye. Neither here north there. That being said,

575
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Speaker 1: if they did a big Francis Anghanu versus Deontay Wilder fight,

576
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Speaker 1: I have to tell you I think that that would

577
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Speaker 1: be I would consider that a big success in my mind.

578
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Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't have to be Deontay, by the way,

579
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Speaker 1: it could be some other kind of big mma fight.

580
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Speaker 1: They were able to attract some kind of agent that

581
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: we all cared about. I mean, for example, BC, the

582
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: PFL is charging for this pay per view on Friday,

583
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: They're charging forty nine ninety five. Now, I don't know

584
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: what the right number is. I don't think this event

585
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: is going to do very well on pay per view.

586
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 1: You could quibble with what the price point should be,

587
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: but really nobody on there has you know, a pay

588
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: per view pedigree that that is proven. But in the end, BC,

589
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: what PFL has to do is put on the fights

590
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Speaker 1: that people want to pay money to see. If I

591
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Speaker 1: had to ask you, what the biggest not the best

592
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Speaker 1: PFL fight, because I can think of some really good

593
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: PFL fights like Don't Get Me Again. Quality not necessarily

594
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: the issue all the time or even frequently at all,

595
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 1: But what's the biggest one? Again? You can go back

596
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: to the Beltore one. It's very easy. By the way,

597
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: Blatore has done several million dollar gates. PFL has never

598
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 1: done one of those. And Belatore had Kimbo Slice, who

599
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: was a ratings juggernaut. PFL has never had any of this.

600
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 1: So to me, if they had a million dollar gate

601
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: next year, right, I would consider that progress. If they

602
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 1: get a big fight for Francis, it's a PFL fight,

603
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Speaker 1: even if it's mixed rules like they're the they're the

604
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: promoter essentially. I think that's a big step getting a

605
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 1: If they got Jake Paul versus Nate Diaz that I

606
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: would consider that a big win for them. I would.

607
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: I've used to find that very unlikely. So there's that

608
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Speaker 1: I do want to say, though, BC, I have to

609
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: tell you, like I don't. I really don't understand this

610
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: division of the product that they've got going on. I

611
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 1: don't think it makes hardly any sense whatsoever. And the

612
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: biggest part is this PC I'll say this, people are like, oh,

613
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: would be attractive to have these different franchises. Again, your

614
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: product is so diluted and confused at that point you

615
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: can't even really say what it is. But more to

616
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: that point, now, let's give them credit. They bought a

617
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: great roster when they acquired Bellator. I'm acknowledging that in

618
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: every way, and we'll see how much crossover there is

619
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Speaker 1: between these franchises that they have set up. But I

620
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, like, you're splitting, like you should just

621
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Speaker 1: be making the PFL look much bigger and better. They've

622
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: had so many cards that barely limped to the finish

623
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: line with people you've absolutely never heard of, and now

624
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna split it even further, at least for a

625
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: little while.

626
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Speaker 3: Now.

627
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: Again, I know there could be crossover, but this is

628
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: what I'm worried about. On the one hand, you're just

629
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: you know, thinning out your roster to serve all these masters.

630
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: We'll see how they navigate that. But to answer your question, dude,

631
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: there are some real things they could do to take

632
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: a big step forward, but it involves big fights and

633
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: big success at the box office.

634
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 2: Whether it was the wrong move or whether it's a

635
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 2: confusing move to keep operating the Bellatour brand while being

636
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 2: PFL Inc. Overall, you have to believe they're doing it

637
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 2: because they believe Bellator has made successful inroads. I think

638
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 2: in Europe. If they're looking to do seven of eight

639
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 2: of these Bellotour Championship International cards or whatever, and they're

640
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 2: doing seven of eight outside the States and Europe is

641
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: a big focus, well, look, you got to give Scot

642
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: Coker credit in recent years for what he's done in France, Ireland,

643
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: the UK in terms of attracting crowds. And you know

644
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: in PFLs Don Davis did say, when they had Cedric

645
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: Dumbay under the PFL banner. Just recently they sold out

646
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: the arena, So look the obvious sort of So I'm

647
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 2: saying that they're probably keeping that Bellator product alive and

648
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: their hopes of benefiting on the potential of Gates and

649
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 2: all that. You can argue whether that's necessary or not,

650
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 2: or whether it should all just be PFL. No confusion.

651
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: But Davis did bring up Anthony Pettis as a great

652
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: example a name fighter who makes fun fights against anybody.

653
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 2: But at this point it's not cut out, as many

654
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 2: of the UFC exitters have found in transitioning to the PFL.

655
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: Might not be cut out for a regular season that's

656
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 2: a meat grinder that wears you out. Might be more

657
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 2: cut out and fighting in one off, fun action fights,

658
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 2: maybe title fights under the Bellotour banner. So there's something there.

659
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 2: I get the confusion, But Luke, the larger argument is

660
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 2: always going to be this is great, but is it sustainable?

661
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 2: Can you make money? Can you get to that point?

662
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 2: What did you make of Don Davis's comments about that?

663
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 2: Because Dana Whites' knee jerk reaction at two ninety five

664
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 2: in New York when asked about the potential of you know,

665
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 2: co promoting and all that with PFL, which he shot down,

666
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 2: but it was look, we have the top three gates

667
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 2: in MSG history. As he said, PFL can't get a

668
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: fucking live gate. They literally can't get fans in the

669
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: building when they do these US shows where they're not

670
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: necessarily looking to have more than an APEX level crowd,

671
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: but they're also not getting that, Luke. What Davis said

672
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 2: was they are making far more money on international TV

673
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 2: rights than they would on filling an arena in the US,

674
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: and that it's not necessarily about that because, as Davis said,

675
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: you make your money and TV in twenty twenty three

676
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: in this space, not in live tickets. And I think

677
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: even though UFC has done everything in their power this

678
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: year to maximize the live gate experience to just bring

679
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: more revenue in, they're still fully dependent upon that ESP

680
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 2: and output deal that brings them upwards of like nine

681
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 2: hundred million a year. That's the reason why Dana pushed

682
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 2: through COVID so forcefully to make sure they meet their

683
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: minimum level of dates. So do you think because of

684
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: the constant changing nature of the sports broadcasting and business landscape,

685
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: which includes streaming. It concludes our parent company paramount saying

686
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: goodbye to Showtime and Bellatour despite having a big year

687
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 2: in those categories. Are do We also need to readjust

688
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: the way we look at financial success before being potentially

689
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 2: too harsh on what PFL is trying to do.

690
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: No, not at all, none, whatsoever. He is right by

691
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: a million miles that they're gonna make their money in television.

692
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: They're gonna make money the overseas. BC. Be serious. You've

693
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: been covering boxing a long time. Can you imagine a

694
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,719
Speaker 1: successful or even unsuccessful boxing promoter convincing you that the

695
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: gate in their live UF shows US shows doesn't really matter? Yeah? Seriously, dude,

696
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: you would. You would look at them with a thirty like,

697
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: what the fuck are you talking about? Yeah, of course

698
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: your gates don't matter. You don't have one, Like go tell, go,

699
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: tell any any of these promoters who have where gates

700
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: are important, which is any of the major ones in boxing,

701
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: Golden Boy, match Room, you name it. I guess the

702
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: Saudi ones don't really matter. I guess they'd be the exception.

703
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: But you know, certainly any domestic or international one with

704
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: the UK or Europe gates gates obviously matter. Yes, do

705
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: the gates matter as much as the TV or even

706
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: close to as much. No, that part is right. But

707
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: all of these things matter because not only does the

708
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: money really matter in the end, it's also just a

709
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: showcase of what you can do. It's a showcase of

710
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: what your fan base looks like. It's a showcase of

711
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: how popular you are. It's a showcase of how visible

712
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: and important. Dude, I mean everywhere Tank Davis goes, Look

713
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: where he sells out, Look where he sells out, Look

714
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: where he sells out. Well, is that important or is

715
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: that not important? It's not important if you don't have

716
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: anybody who can do it. But all of a sudden,

717
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: I guarantee you if they had Francis on a big

718
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: show and Francis sold out, let's pick a venue I

719
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: don't know, somewhere in New York. Again, they sold out MSG.

720
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: But like the actual MSG thing, they had a fight

721
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: with Deontay Wilder. You mean to tell me they're not

722
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: gonna tell you about a twenty million dollar GIT that

723
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: they pulled off. Word, this is just nonsense. It's just

724
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: these are not bad guys. I'm not telling you they're

725
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: bad guys, and they're definitely not stupid, but they're just

726
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: saying things that don't pass basic scrutiny.

727
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: They just say the right thing. So they did say

728
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 2: the right things about being a fighter friendly, fan friendly organization. First,

729
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: whether that look, whether that wins out or works, we're

730
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 2: gonna find out. But let's hear from Don Davis in

731
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: terms of his overarching reaction to what's happening, what the

732
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: future will look like. This is courtesy of the MMA

733
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 2: Hour with Ariel Hawane.

734
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Speaker 4: These are one off event products, so think of it

735
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 4: as the one off event product from the PFL platform. So,

736
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 4: whether you're a bellator fighter, PFL fighter, you're all now

737
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 4: PFL fighters. Interesting, you're all in the pool. Okay, certain

738
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 4: fighters like to take one of our own fighters showtime.

739
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 5: Pettis.

740
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 4: You know what, that season product wasn't great for him.

741
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 4: He's probably better fighting twice a year on a one

742
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 4: off event just to take one of our own fans

743
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 4: love him. He can get ready for that. The season's

744
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 4: too hard at this stage of his career, at seasons,

745
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 4: the toughest test at MMA, he'd probably be great on

746
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 4: that product. So, whether you're a bellator fighter, PFL fighter,

747
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 4: will talk to managers and fighters and say what's the

748
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 4: best product for you and what's the best product for

749
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 4: this fans. You'll either fight twice a year on the

750
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 4: Bellotour International Champions Series or fight in the PFL League season,

751
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 4: your choice, you know, one or the other. The Bellotour

752
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 4: belts will still be it, champions remain and they're at

753
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 4: risk on the Bellator International Champions Series. PFL League seasons

754
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 4: still exactly what it was. Those products will both run

755
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 4: during the year, so we have two big signature products.

756
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 4: We also have the PFL Challenger Series you know, PFL

757
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 4: International Leagues, but two big signature products now PFL the

758
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 4: company will run Bellotour, our media operations, our ad sales force,

759
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 4: are business capabilities.

760
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 2: Will rebuild a lot.

761
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 4: Of that, but the product and the brand we will revitalize,

762
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 4: more technology, a little bit better production, and mostly international cities.

763
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 4: Big demand internationally. You have been mentioned earlier on your show.

764
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 4: UFC hasn't tapped into all that international demand. So we'll

765
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 4: do probably six or maybe seven of those eight shows

766
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 4: outside the US. We're almost all the PFL League season

767
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 4: is in the US.

768
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 2: Okay, Luke, it's all used car salesman stuff if it

769
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: doesn't lead to money. But I do want to put

770
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 2: make one thing very clear. If there was no Saudi connection,

771
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: if the PFL did not just recently get a one

772
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 2: hundred dollars million dollar investment, if they didn't also have

773
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 2: a fair amount of like celebrity investors and seem to

774
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 2: have constant access to cash, if this was boxing, how

775
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 2: would I react. I'd probably shoot down their chances if

776
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 2: they didn't have access to a pipeline, a war chest. Luke,

777
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: it seems at some level they do. So when you

778
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: hear Don Davis say things right there that again sound

779
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: great on paper until you're actually competing with the UFC

780
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 2: and the reality of getting their fighters out of contracts

781
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 2: and the reality of the the head start financially they have.

782
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 2: Could you at least agree with me that Saudi does

783
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: add an asterisk to this conversation that before you can

784
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 2: declare them dead or misguid or over the top optimistic.

785
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 2: We have never seen this level of cashola injected into

786
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 2: this space, Luke. We haven't. We have not.

787
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: One hundred million dollars.

788
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: That with the promise of more, with the potential and

789
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: promise of.

790
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: More, Yeah, I mean flash Entertainment bought you know, a

791
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: big chunk of UFC. I think it was like for

792
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: either five or ten percent a long time ago. UFC

793
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: bought it back, but that was much bigger than I

794
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,959
Speaker 1: think one hundred million dollars. So you know, we've seen

795
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: big infusions. That's not necessarily that large in that sense,

796
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 1: but you know, the promise of more fair enough could

797
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: get kind of interesting. Listen. It matters in the sense that,

798
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: like I think what people think is going to happen

799
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,439
Speaker 1: is one other person or some of the big star

800
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: is going to cross over and make a big fight,

801
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: and then this will have a snowball effect. But I'm

802
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: going to go back to it. With the way the

803
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: contracts are structured, there cannot be a snowball effect. These

804
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: contracts are designed to prevent snowball effects, so that that's

805
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: not really realistic. I do think that it matters in

806
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: this sense of you have to have those conditions in place,

807
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: like hey, here's who's writing our checks for the big stars,

808
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: to say that you have access to these markets or

809
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: this kind of wealth, I do think is a critical

810
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: ingredient ultimately in getting the bigger stars over that you

811
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: eventually will need or recruiting them. However it may be right.

812
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: We can actually afford you, We can really truly afford you.

813
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: Here's how you know. But again I know I'm not

814
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: like a broken record BC that by itself can't get

815
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: the job done. It's not enough. You have to have

816
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: the ability to have people in rotation on these contracts.

817
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: Otherwise with the onus, this will take a while. No

818
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 2: matter what whether they make it or not, it's going

819
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 2: to take a while. Would the onus be now to

820
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 2: identify if you're the PFL which truly valuable still in

821
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: their prime fighters are approaching the end of their contract.

822
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 2: Because it's going to be a process you're going to

823
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: need UFC fighters to have. Whether it's I don't know

824
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: if it's legal or not in tampering in terms of

825
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 2: like these off board negotiations. But what I'm saying is

826
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 2: PFL needs to call up, for example, as Shan O'Malley

827
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 2: or somebody on that level and basically say like, when

828
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 2: you're done, we're gonna be there and there's gonna be

829
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 2: this much amount of money and you're gonna have this

830
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: ability to do this and that. But they're gonna have

831
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 2: to commit to that not taking the offers pass their way.

832
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, They're gonna have to commit

833
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 2: to that.

834
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: So yes, there's a bit of that. And also, you know,

835
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: again this is the other part to think about, Oh,

836
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a big fight in PFL, Right, but

837
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: if you're gonna sign for three fights, who are the

838
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: other two? You know? This is what I mean, there

839
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: has to be a flow of talent. Before we wrap

840
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: up on this topic, BC, I had to read this

841
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: tweet to you. This is from John Nash, Right, So

842
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: he's going through the Fight Matrix rankings of the men's

843
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: band someway through heavyweight divisions, so the seven divisions you

844
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: ultimately can't compete in. PFL has twenty five percent of

845
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: the top twenty five, right, that's forty four of one

846
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 1: to seventy five. They have sixteen percent of the top

847
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: ten and zero number one fighters. UFC has. Okay, so

848
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: PFL had top had twenty five percent of top twenty five.

849
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: UFC has sixty two percent of them. PFL had sixteen

850
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 1: percent of the top ten, and this is the big difference.

851
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: UFC has eighty three percent of them, and of the

852
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: number ones, UFC has all of them, that premium market

853
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 1: eighty three percent of the top ten and the number ones.

854
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: That's where your folks, that's where your money is made.

855
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: Look at how many of them they have. They have

856
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: nearly all of them. That is why they are so successful.

857
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 2: Interesting, So Davis did say he hopes to do in

858
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: February a PFL versus Belatoor champions card where all the

859
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: champions would scare off. That wouldn't include the divisions where

860
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 2: PFL doesn't operate, So Johnny Eblin at Middlewait, for example,

861
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 2: would not be going up against the PFL champion. But Mikey,

862
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 2: if we could close with that one more video with

863
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 2: Don Davis talking about where his company will stand against

864
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 2: PF or against the UFC after moves like this, that

865
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 2: will close out this conversation. How close do you feel

866
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: like you are now to the UFC.

867
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 4: Everybody knows Dana well enough that he only dismisses things

868
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 4: to worry him or else he just doesn't comment. He

869
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 4: didn't comment on the PFL for four years because he

870
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 4: wasn't worried. He's comment on the PFL a lot the

871
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 4: last six months. You're worried, what's specifically worried about Bellatour

872
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 4: is the metrics we put on the press release. Thirty

873
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 4: percent of that roster ranked in the twenty five top

874
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 4: twenty five per Fight Matrix rankings. So this is not

875
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 4: dating against the rank his own guys. Don's ranking his

876
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 4: own guys. As you know, there's only one group that

877
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 4: ranks all fighters Fight Matrix independently thirty percent of the

878
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 4: UFC rosters top twenty five ranked, and now our combined

879
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 4: company of pfl and Bellatour thirty the same. Now, to

880
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 4: UFC's credit, if you look at top five in the world,

881
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 4: they still own the top five one through five so

882
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 4: called pay per view cards. We couldn't compete with them

883
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 4: right now, which is why we're only gonna have.

884
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: Two and they have twelve.

885
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 4: But if you say I'm turning on TV on ESPN

886
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 4: Saturday night, or I'm going to tune in Friday to

887
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 4: watch his Bellatort International Shares or pfl our cards are

888
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 4: gonna be better better because what they put on this

889
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 4: year was rank seventy and what we're gonna on next

890
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 4: year is rank forty. That's why he said, I don't

891
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 4: know why in God's greener with anybody's buying this, because

892
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 4: he's smart and he knows that UFC ain't the NFL,

893
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 4: we're not the XFL. But he wants you to think that,

894
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 4: and it's just a matter of time before that starts

895
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 4: to get more well known. And we're not number two,

896
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 4: we're a co leader. He doesn't want that. That's what's

897
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 4: going on.

898
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 2: Interesting. Look, there are a lot of boldness in that

899
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: that you're gonna have to prove before you say. But interesting,

900
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: that's all I have to say. Interesting. I'm intrigued. I'm

901
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: optimistic about some level of success in competition because they're

902
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 2: going so bold, they're going all in. I'm excited. It's

903
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 2: more exciting than not Luke, than not having it. Okay,

904
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 2: it's more exciting.

905
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: So it's a huge change. It's a huge change, you know.

906
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 1: I will say this, There hasn't been a robust number

907
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: two in MMA like this since Strikeforce. Yes, that is true.

908
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: That is true. I cannot think of what would be

909
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: the second biggest one since the death of Strikeforce. I

910
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: mean someone might be able to say some other ones

911
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: from No, I don't think the Japanese one would.

912
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 2: Oh, Golden Boy mma for that Golden Boy mma, So.

913
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: That is a big deal. It is a big deal.

914
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: I just hope folks understand the reason why the UFC

915
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: has such a lock on the market. You cannot undo

916
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: that without somebody else intervening. It's just the reality.

917
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 2: That's PFL for the future. Though twenty twenty four, they

918
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: still have business This Friday, Washington.

919
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: DC, or as the old folks SABC War.

920
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: It's a pay per view. By the way, the twenty

921
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 2: twenty three PFL World Championship six divisions will crown new

922
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three regular season champions and play with the

923
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 2: playoffs here. This is the championship round. I believe a

924
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 2: million dollars is at stake over the totality of the

925
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: tournament for the winning fighters. As well, we're also getting

926
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: the return of Kayla Harrison, new opponent and as been

927
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: lad but interesting considering she's had most of this year off.

928
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 2: But Luke I also by the way, Ray Cooper the

929
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 2: Third and Derek Brunson, who's making his PFL debut also

930
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 2: a interesting undercard fight, Luke. Across these title fights, though,

931
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 2: which one When you are in attendance Friday night in

932
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: your citay are you most fired up for?

933
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 6: Uh?

934
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: Oh? Among the title fights? Okay? I mean, each one's

935
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 1: got a little bit to it. I'd say the two

936
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: that are the most interesting would probably okay. So the

937
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: one I think that is like a bit of the

938
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: People's champion type is probably going to be Impa kasogaa

939
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: I taken on Josh Silvera, the Josh Silvera, the son

940
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: of Conan taking on Impakasogona I, who got iced by

941
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: Wan Joaquin Buckley in that amazing you know, jumping spinning

942
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: back whatever the hell it was. At this point, I

943
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: can't quite remember that he got you know, posterized on it.

944
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: He's had an incredible comeback, so that one of two

945
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,240
Speaker 1: of five is kind of interesting. The one between Mega

946
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: Mad Mega mad Karamov and sod Bussi is a rematch

947
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: from twenty twenty one, which was not like the greatest

948
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: fight and Mega men Karamov basically one because he got

949
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: dominant wrestling in two of the three rounds, but Tadabusi

950
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: is much better. He's won the tournament since then. That'll

951
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: be an interesting one. People might like the Hen and

952
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 1: faheada Dennis Goltsov. I don't think that's gonna last very

953
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 1: long either way. Either. Fayea's gonna land a big bomber

954
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: Goltzoz is probably gonna ride him out and then finish

955
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: him off TKO. So for me, the main event. Honestly,

956
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: I get why it is the main event. You have

957
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: Clay Collard, who's just one of these insanely unlikely sports

958
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: combat sports success stories taken on Olivier Albin Marcier, who

959
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: hasn't lost since fighting Armin Saryuki in twenty nineteen. He's

960
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: nine to zero in the PFL. As I mentioned, I

961
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: got tipped off by a French Canadian viewer or listener

962
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: that he told local media there in Quebec that this

963
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: could be his last fight. He doesn't really know yet.

964
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: By the way, if he wins this one, this will

965
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: be his second million dollar tournament that he's won. He

966
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 1: never came close to making money like that in the UFC,

967
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: so this has been a particularly good slot for him.

968
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 1: And BC. What I did to tell you about Clay

969
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: collared this guy during the pandemic, he thrived, man was

970
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 1: beating boxing prospects for top rank on ESPN, washed out

971
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: of UFC before that, and here he is in this

972
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: insanely unlikely run, having foughted tough guys by the way

973
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: at least tough competition, yes, to get here. Listen, I

974
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 1: don't favor his chances because Aubin Marcier is so good

975
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: and so improved. Hey, it's a tough fight. But I'm

976
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: done counting Clay Collard.

977
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 2: Now I can say I know and you know he

978
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: often will square up, take big punishment, but his punches

979
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: are shorter, harder, more technical from that boxing experience, and

980
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 2: he's been gutting it out. I mean a lot of

981
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 2: these guys have. Look, these tournaments are are an absolute

982
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: meak grinder, There's no question about it. No different than

983
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: the Revnee Arabella Tour tournaments in that regard. You're gonna

984
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 2: get banged up, you gotta survive in advance, You're gonna

985
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 2: inevitably gonna have to go through wars. Collared is a

986
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 2: plus one ninety eight underdog according to FanDuel against the

987
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 2: minus two Oban Mercier. But I love that story. I

988
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 2: love that they made this the main event too. But

989
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: look look at some of these odds right now. Kasang

990
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 2: and I minus one seven to seven on fan duel

991
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 2: against the plus one thirty four silvera. So he's favored

992
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 2: to come back here and win a PFL championship after

993
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 2: exiting the UFC. You talked about that Maga met Karamov fight.

994
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 2: He will be a minus one seven to two favorite

995
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 2: against the plus one three four Sada Busi, who's the

996
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 2: defending champion in this division. And don't forget Larissa Pacheco,

997
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 2: who defeated and upset Kayla Harrison in their trilogy about

998
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 2: to close last season's one fifty five tournament, is back

999
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 2: here at one forty five in the championship and she's

1000
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 2: a minus six to fifty favorite against Marina Moca. Wow, Luke, Yeah,

1001
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 2: you know, I fell apart. I had a seizure during that.

1002
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 4: Hu.

1003
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry, dude.

1004
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: Since beating Kyla Harrison, she's beaten Julia bud She iced

1005
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 1: Amber Librock and Oleina Kolesnik together combined in sixty seconds.

1006
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: I mean, she gives a deal. She's been an incredible

1007
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 2: turnaround because she's already washed out of the UFC and

1008
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: lost to big names like Jermaine Durandomy. Yet look at

1009
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 2: the way she's worked herself back in huge puncher out

1010
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 2: of Brazil, tough as nails, so improved, and even though

1011
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 2: Don Davis himself was telling Ariel. We can't wait to

1012
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 2: make Cyborg versus Kayla next year. Dude, I Perchako comes

1013
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 2: back here and continually just proves herself by winning this

1014
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 2: championship after winning the fifty five tournament the year before,

1015
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 2: when she inevitably is set to face the winner of that, Dude,

1016
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 2: that's arguably one of the best fights you can make

1017
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 2: in women's MMA, and a fight you know, talent and

1018
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 2: weight class wise, because it would have to be at

1019
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 2: least at one forty five you couldn't do in the

1020
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 2: UFC right now. So that's a that's a you know,

1021
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: a decent feather in the cap. There are some areas

1022
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 2: now where you can bind these rosters, Luke. Where this

1023
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 2: new PFL, whether we're talking about women's feather, bantam way,

1024
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 2: whether me on the men's side, light heavyweight, as you mentioned,

1025
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 2: I mean, they can really cant and a few of

1026
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 2: these divisions with the depth in the critical you know

1027
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 2: when you add these bellatory names, for sure, But I

1028
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 2: do like this card. I mentioned that Brunson Cooper banger

1029
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 2: on the undercard. Davis was saying that Ray Cooper, the

1030
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: former champion, basically has been so successful in the PFL

1031
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 2: that he's become so rich that he can't stop surfing

1032
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 2: and getting fat in Hawaii, Luke, and it's been hard

1033
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 2: getting him motivated to get back up back up to

1034
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 2: that level. So we've seen a few guys being able

1035
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 2: to financiallyly, like really work this system. And I mean,

1036
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: who were you always talking about. Was it Lance Palmer

1037
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 2: that's won this a couple of times?

1038
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like one of two or three times.

1039
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 2: I mean quietly a successful millionaire over there.

1040
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like he's one of the guys in the last

1041
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: ten years who's made a ton of money. You know,

1042
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: I would even argue for the amount of money he's made,

1043
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: he's the least well known of any millionaire MMA fighter

1044
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: I think I've ever seen. I can't. I mean, there

1045
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: might be someone in Japan or some other kind of

1046
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: like you know, East Asian market where they have like

1047
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: their own particular heroes, not necessarily from North America, that

1048
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: could be true. I mean, for anybody from the North

1049
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 1: America or you know, continental Europe or whatever. I can't

1050
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: think of someone who got that much money who the

1051
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: fans have no clue who he is. Now the fighters

1052
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: know and obvious he was with Team Alphamel for a

1053
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: long time. I think it's the elevation now. It's a

1054
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: good fighter. He's a good fighter. He just never went

1055
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: to the UFC and made a shit ton of money.

1056
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And how about this trilogy? On the undercard, Bubba

1057
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 2: Jenkins and Chris Wade for the third time. They both

1058
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 2: have decision wins over one another in recent years. So look,

1059
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 2: there's some good fair hair like you're gonna enjoy that?

1060
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: Do you think though? The forty nine ninety nine pay

1061
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: per view price which is set by the UFC, not

1062
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 2: set by the PFL, but obviously it's their decision to

1063
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 2: make this a pay per view? Do you expect this

1064
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 2: to be a success based on recent PFC HEADLINESC?

1065
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: No, why are you asking me this question? I just

1066
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: give you exact last like you know full well I

1067
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: don't expect this, and neither do you. You don't have

1068
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,919
Speaker 1: to ask the silly ask questions. No, it's gonna tank.

1069
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 1: It's gonna tank like a motherfucker.

1070
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 2: But it'll be fun to watch, right yeaheah.

1071
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: Again to comment on its quality, like, dude, there's good fights.

1072
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: There's some maybe potentially great fights up and down this one.

1073
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: And do Clay Colled winning man. I gotta tell you

1074
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: he'd be in contention for Fighter of the Year if

1075
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: you ask me if he wins that one. I'm not

1076
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: even doing a joke there. I thought that would be

1077
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: tremendous if he won that. So there's plenty to go

1078
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: and enjoy. But like, what is it gonna do at

1079
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: the box office? It's gonna fucking bomb, is what it's

1080
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: gonna do.

1081
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 2: Okay, Luke, if you get a chance to interview Don Davis,

1082
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 2: I hope you do on Friday, But will you at

1083
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 2: least set up the stage for him to come on

1084
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 2: this show with both of us and us ask him

1085
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 2: very critical questions.

1086
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to. I mean, you know, you

1087
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: want to ask critical questions. I don't get interviews after that,

1088
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: So we'll see how that goes. But you know what,

1089
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,720
Speaker 1: hope springs Eternal it does.

1090
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 2: It does. You know what I'm hopeful for, Luke, A

1091
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 2: fantastic fight this Saturday night, the final showtime pay per view.

1092
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 2: As we transition to topic number three, it's gonna go down

1093
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 2: for michelob Ultra Arena, once known as the Mandelay Bay

1094
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 2: Events Center in Las Vegas, one of the best by

1095
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 2: the way intimate main event venues that you just don't

1096
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 2: see used enough these days with both T mobiles launch,

1097
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 2: and of course MGM. Grant still holds a high regard.

1098
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 2: But we're back at Mandalay two super middleweights who are

1099
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 2: among the best in this division. Obviously Canela Oliver is

1100
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 2: the underspeted champion, but David Benavite's former two time title holder,

1101
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 2: really now at age twenty six, seems to really have

1102
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 2: it together in terms of his confidence, his work ethic,

1103
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 2: his stamina, his preparation, all the things that maybe he

1104
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 2: didn't have in the past that got him in trouble.

1105
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 2: That victory over Caleb Plant in March was such a

1106
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 2: big step for his brand, for everything about him. Now

1107
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 2: he welcomes thirty five year old Demetrius Andrade, unbeaten champion

1108
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 2: and two way classes and really, we're going on ten

1109
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 2: years of wondering how good is this guy actually? If

1110
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 2: he could finally lure an A list name across from him,

1111
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 2: He's been chasing Canelo Jermal triple G. He's been bounced

1112
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 2: around from promoters. Now he's finally got the fight that matters.

1113
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 2: Consider both considering both of these guys want nothing but

1114
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,879
Speaker 2: to go directly into a Canelo fight with a win. Here,

1115
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 2: the stakes are huge, the style contrast is huge, Luke,

1116
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 2: you and I will be calling the prelimb Saturday from

1117
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 2: our Jersey City studio, so six pm in the East

1118
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 2: on the Showtime Sports YouTube channel. And we've got two

1119
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 2: very good fights that you don't want to miss. But

1120
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: this main pay per view card, and specifically this main event,

1121
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 2: I know, there's been a lot to talk about. You know,

1122
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 2: this is show Tom Boxing's farewell on this level, and

1123
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 2: we all, you know, have equal levels of happiness and

1124
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 2: you know, sadness on that level for that. But dude,

1125
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,760
Speaker 2: this fight bangs, and I don't think enough people really

1126
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 2: realize that that both of these guys are super avoided.

1127
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 2: So they basically were like, let's just go through each

1128
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 2: other to get some of that critical respect that we

1129
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 2: both still need.

1130
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: I couldn't have one bad thing to say about this

1131
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: boxing main event, I mean, other than to say, would

1132
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: it be nice if we had David Benavidez versus Canelo

1133
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: Shore and I would be certainly much better, especially after Jamel,

1134
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: you know, I think showed that he was unprepared for

1135
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: that level of a task. But David Benavidez is prepared

1136
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: for that level of a task. This fight is interesting.

1137
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 1: Becc I saw a stat ready for this. Of the

1138
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 1: forty eight professional rounds that David Benavidez has fought, he's

1139
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: only been numerically out punched in two of them. So

1140
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: forty sixty eight he was at and for Demetrius Andre

1141
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: and I think he had something like one hundred and

1142
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: five rounds, he's only been out punched in three of them.

1143
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking about guys who are not just good,

1144
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 1: not just undefeated, not just very well experienced. And in

1145
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: the case of David benavide is young dude. David Benavidez

1146
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 1: is twenty six years old. This dude isn't even even

1147
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: in his fucking prime.

1148
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 2: Do he won a world title at twenty? People forget that,

1149
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 2: like he's big mistakes, Yes.

1150
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: Yea, he fucked up. He fucked up between twenty and

1151
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: twenty four ish. You know, twenty three ish he wasn't

1152
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: doing that great. But now I feel like he's in

1153
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: a much different place. And he is a dynamo, fast

1154
00:54:56,040 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: punching hand combinations, big power walks you down, a big,

1155
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: towering guy, even for this weight class, just hard to

1156
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 1: deal with, good defense when he needs it as well,

1157
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: in addition to having a warrior spirit and a good chin.

1158
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: Demetrius andre of the two much more of a slickster,

1159
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: a guy who can fight behind the jab, very good

1160
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: ring i Q, very good ring craft, tough to handle

1161
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: and no one has ever wanted to fight this guy.

1162
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: You might look at Andreid's a resume ABC, what would

1163
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: you say was his best win over the biggest name

1164
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 1: that he has.

1165
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 2: That's the problem. He's got like four or five even

1166
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 2: B level wins against Vona Smarter Rosi and Brian Rose

1167
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 2: when he won a title at fifty four. Machi Seleski

1168
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 2: like names where you're like, okay, I know that guy,

1169
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 2: But then there's a lot of Walter kannakwandana is on

1170
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 2: there where you're just like.

1171
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,959
Speaker 1: It's been a wayte Jamon Nicholson from this area who's

1172
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: like a fine fighter, but you know not.

1173
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 2: All that was his one sixty eight debut with the

1174
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 2: PABC earlier this year. But Luke like, he's so good Andreid,

1175
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 2: but you would admit, dude, like his run with Eddie

1176
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,959
Speaker 2: Hernon matrim was a failure. They were on the side

1177
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,280
Speaker 2: of the road with the Zone with Canelo and Triple

1178
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 2: G and Danny Jacobs and Eddie Hern couldn't get Andreid

1179
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 2: into the ring with any of them. And now it

1180
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 2: took joining forces with Al Hayman and knowing that you know,

1181
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 2: in the PBC, the one sixty eight division is so

1182
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,760
Speaker 2: fruitful with big names. You got to give Andreid credit

1183
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 2: for finally getting to this point because I have to

1184
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,919
Speaker 2: wonder if he was going to retire or walk away,

1185
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 2: because look, it was as he was becoming a joke

1186
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 2: in some ways because he was trying so hard to

1187
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,439
Speaker 2: get people's attention and nobody wanted to fight him.

1188
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: I mean, he literally thought a guy named Willie Nelson.

1189
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 2: Willie Nelson could punch from Cleveland. Look, look, we always

1190
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 2: talk about boxing odds being way way wider than MMA

1191
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 2: and not always like fully indicative of how close the

1192
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 2: fight can be. I mean, I talk up fights where

1193
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 2: the guys of minus seven eight hundred favorite, but it's like, hey,

1194
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 2: this could be given trouble. Look at what FanDuel's got

1195
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 2: for this one plus two nine de Andreid minus four

1196
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 2: point thirty Benavidez. I think we all would agree that

1197
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 2: Benavitez is operating out a point right now where he

1198
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 2: has to be the betting favorite. Look at what he

1199
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 2: did against Caleb Plant. The stamina was incredible. You mentioned

1200
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 2: the handspeed and what he does offensively. A lot of

1201
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 2: people talking online that really understand this game technically that

1202
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 2: his defense, especially in close range as he's crowding people,

1203
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 2: is tremendous head movement, little subtle defense where he doesn't

1204
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 2: take an outrageous amount of punishment while still being the

1205
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 2: Mexican monster and walking you down in that pocket. He's

1206
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 2: super skilled. But you see the respect the odds makers

1207
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 2: are giving Andreid. He's tall, he's South Paul, he's lengthy,

1208
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 2: and while he does not have one punch power as

1209
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 2: he's in his third division here, in terms of moving up,

1210
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 2: you would say, at the very least he is skilled

1211
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 2: enough to pull this upset off on Saturday.

1212
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: Yes, oh for sure. For sure. I think it'll be

1213
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: tough because David Benavitez, as the rounds go on, he's

1214
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: just going to continue to march you down and walk

1215
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: into you, and I think, excuse me, as good as

1216
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: Andred is. I think that will wear down and eventually

1217
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: he'll be forced to duel it. Out with Benavidez and

1218
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: that will be his undoing. But does he have the skills,

1219
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: does he have the ring craft, and does he have

1220
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: I think the overall want certainly to to take advantage

1221
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: of this opportunity, no question in my mind. I think

1222
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: in some ways the Caleb Plant fight was really good

1223
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: for Benavitez OUGHBC because Caleb Plant has very different kind

1224
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: of He's much more of a sort of Philly shellish

1225
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: kind of slickster Trump movement kind of guy, whereas a

1226
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: guy like Andre a little bit more behind the jab

1227
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: but certainly using the full space of the ring to

1228
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: do what he wants to do. That both of those

1229
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: kinds of guys have a similar tendency in the sense

1230
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: that what is Benavidez walking into a similar kind of

1231
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: thing that he got with KYLEB Plant vis a vi

1232
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: K excuse me, ring, ring cutting and ring IQ. So

1233
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: I think that was gonna be I think that was

1234
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: a really good preparatory thing for him. So I still

1235
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: think David Benavidez deserves to be favored here, do He's

1236
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: He's got to be one of the most exciting talents

1237
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 1: in all of boxing. David Benavidez, I mean, just what

1238
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: he is, he's at, how good he's at, and what

1239
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: fights lie ahead. You're like, shit, dude, I wouldn't want

1240
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: to fight that guy either. I get why he's avoided. Man,

1241
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: He's a terminator. He's a terminator. That Cala Plant fight

1242
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: due Kale Plant gave him everything he could handle, and

1243
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: then eventually the tide turn, and when it did, it

1244
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: was down hill Benavetez. I'm expecting to look something like

1245
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: that on Saturday night.

1246
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's can Andreid have the tricks, the tools to

1247
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 2: keep Benavidez at the end of that jab and maybe

1248
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 2: put together the kind of offense that will slow him down.

1249
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 2: Make Benavidez think twice. You want to make someone that destructive,

1250
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 2: who's a constant, inevitable presence that only gets more powerful.

1251
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 2: I mean, Benavidez gets better in the second half of

1252
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 2: fights because he's already picked out the adjustment that he

1253
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 2: needs to make. And then now that he has the stamina,

1254
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 2: now that he's really putting in the work, when he

1255
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 2: starts coming forward, you cannot stop this man. You cannot

1256
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 2: keep him off of you. I caught up with both

1257
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 2: fighters on Morning Combat. In the weeks and months ahead

1258
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 2: of this, so we're gonna throw to that. But I

1259
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,919
Speaker 2: cannot recommend enough to everybody to check out the All Acts.

1260
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 2: Just one episode of Benavidez versus andreide on the Showtime

1261
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 2: Sports YouTube channel right now. You love it, Luke, whether

1262
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 2: it's twenty four to seven on HBO now show Time

1263
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 2: All Access. These great pre fight vehicles. When you get

1264
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 2: fighters who are under exposed on a personal level and

1265
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 2: you find out their family dynamics, how their mind thinks,

1266
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 2: how they work, it is a refreshing way to kind

1267
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 2: of like get fired up all over again in the matchup.

1268
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 2: So I really enjoy that they're Also they really presented

1269
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 2: Benavidez as like this babyface. Luke is like this redeemed

1270
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 2: family man who's now ready to be the face it is. Yeah,

1271
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 2: I do. I do agree with that. So it was

1272
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 2: interesting to see. Let's hear from Benavidez in my chat

1273
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 2: with him on just his general thoughts of this fight,

1274
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 2: the timing of it and all that. Here's the Mexican monster.

1275
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 7: I'm trying to prove to the world I'm the best

1276
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 7: super midway on this planet, and I'm gonna definitely show

1277
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 7: that because I've had a tremendous training camp, been working

1278
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 7: for three months already.

1279
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 3: We've been getting some great rounds this morning, and then

1280
01:00:58,560 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 3: you know.

1281
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 7: This is going to be the last time event, so

1282
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 7: we gotta we gotta let it go with the bang.

1283
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 7: And you know these are the type of fights to

1284
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 7: interest me too, because Demetris Andre, he's just a great fighter,

1285
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 7: no doubt about that. He's a lot of experience. But

1286
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 7: I get to test myself. I get to test my spirit.

1287
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 7: I get to test my heart in front of everybody.

1288
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 7: And I know when people make me reach deep down

1289
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 7: that the great, the best of myself comes out. So

1290
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 7: we're looking forward to this. If he's gonna give me

1291
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 7: a war, then I'm then I'm looking for it. I'm

1292
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 7: looking forward to it. I'm a warrior and I can't

1293
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 7: wait to go in there.

1294
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 2: Look, the confidence really seems real. I love what he's

1295
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 2: saying about the motivation he knows he has because he

1296
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 2: knows this is the best of the phone that he's ever faced.

1297
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 2: So he knows he's got to bring his game to

1298
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 2: that higher level that's gonna keephim on track. That's what

1299
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 2: we want out of him, and you and I have

1300
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 2: talked a lot about the idea of the Mexican American

1301
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 2: fan base, the backbone of this sport. We saw in

1302
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 2: March in Vegas when they seem to claim him not

1303
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 2: on the level of Canelo who. It took them a

1304
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 2: little bit to come around to you because Canelo was the

1305
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 2: you know, pretty boy earlier on. But boy, did he

1306
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 2: prove that he's of that ilk of the great Mexican lineage. Dude,

1307
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 2: I'm surprised, maybe, I mean I he's not Mexican born,

1308
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 2: raised in Arizona. He does represent the Ecuadorian side from

1309
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 2: his mother's side of his background as well with pride,

1310
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 2: But Luke, Mexican American boxing fans have been like, I

1311
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 2: don't care. This is my fucking guy. So has Mike Tyson,

1312
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 2: which gave him that nickname. And I don't know if

1313
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 2: you watched that All Excess episode, but they got Marco,

1314
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 2: Antonio Pereira, Eric Morales, and Juan Manuel Marquez all acting

1315
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 2: like school children, facetiming Benevedez to like fire him up

1316
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 2: and basically be like, you're the next one with the balls, Luke,

1317
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 2: I think it's the fighting spirit that they've been like, yeah,

1318
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 2: we all like Canelo, but this guy is about what

1319
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 2: Mexico is about? Is that incorrect in terms of Benavias

1320
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 2: to say that it seems like that?

1321
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: Well against So I talked to like a couple of

1322
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: Mexican journalists when we were there, what was the last one?

1323
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 1: We were there for Canelo charge, and they were telling

1324
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: me that there's like weird beefs inside the giant world

1325
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: of Mexican boxing, as you would imagine in any kind

1326
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 1: of large community like that, there's going to be clicks

1327
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 1: or whatever, and that there's a lot of dudes who

1328
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: are like former fighters, like okay, So for example, do

1329
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: you remember during Charlot Canelo fight week, they'd be like,

1330
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: who are the top Who's look in the mount rushmore

1331
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: of a Mexican boxers and you would see like Marquez

1332
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't put Canelo on there, and there was other ones

1333
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 1: too that they would. They'd be like, I'd be like, word,

1334
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: like you don't put caneloy?

1335
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 2: Why do you think that is? He's Mexican born. I

1336
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 2: know he doesn't fight the Chavez Senior style of take

1337
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 2: one to give one, but he can fight that way.

1338
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 2: Look at the Glove Cain rematch, like he has fault

1339
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 2: like that, you know.

1340
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: I don't know enough about boxing or the Mexican boxing

1341
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 1: community to speak on that intelligently. I don't know, but

1342
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 1: I have seen evidence of it enough to be like, wow,

1343
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: it is kind of real. But to your point, man, again,

1344
01:03:57,880 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: we were just observers. This was not a thing we

1345
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: had to say in We were just waiting to see, Hey,

1346
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: what kind of fan response was David benavide Is gonna

1347
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: get from the Mexican Mexican slash Mexican American fan base.

1348
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: And it was overwhelming. It was well beyond what even

1349
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 1: I thought a high watermark would be. It blew well

1350
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 1: past that. And here and here's the thing He's I'm

1351
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 1: not saying that people are mad at Canelo about this,

1352
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: but here's what I am saying. That famous scene where

1353
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: you've seen Canelo say something like get the fuck out

1354
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: of here, man, get the fuck out of here, and

1355
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: talking to Andreid in that scenario because Andreid was desperate

1356
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 1: for a fight with him. And I get it, he's

1357
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: not popular, Canelo didn't want to fight him. He's tough.

1358
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: We all know the story. But this is where the

1359
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 1: difference is with Benavetez. Benavidez is like, bet, I'll take

1360
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: that fucking guy. I'll fight that fucking guy. I'll fight him.

1361
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: No one else wants to fight him, happy to fight him.

1362
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 1: And I think these kinds of things matched with his age,

1363
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: matched with his terrifying terminator style. Man, I gotta tell you,

1364
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: I don't know entirely why the reasons why they don't

1365
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 1: like Canelo, I don't get it, but I fully understand

1366
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 1: why they like David Benavitez. He's what you want from

1367
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: your national Pride boxing champion.

1368
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 2: To see again, to see Berrera, to see Marquez, just

1369
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 2: be like, you're the fucking man right now, Like all right,

1370
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 2: I again. I asked Benavetez about that. Here's his reaction

1371
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:20,919
Speaker 2: to that incredible crowd reaction in March in Vegas where

1372
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 2: they did but potentially claim him as their own.

1373
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 4: No.

1374
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think I had been building along, but the

1375
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 7: fans just needed a big fight like that to come

1376
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 7: out and support.

1377
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 3: It was such a big fight, you know.

1378
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 7: I definitely felt the the ambiance and or the feeling

1379
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 7: in the crowd, you know.

1380
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 3: So it was a great fight, man, and it was

1381
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 3: just made me so happy.

1382
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 2: Man.

1383
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 7: Just when when I was a kid, I would dream

1384
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 7: about moments like that and then I finally had my

1385
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 7: moment and it was a great fight. The fight lived

1386
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 7: up to the hype, and now I get to do

1387
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 7: it again November twenty fifth. So man, we're looking forward

1388
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 7: to this and like I said, we're working extremely hard.

1389
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 2: All right. Look, it's hard to talk about this fight

1390
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 2: without talking about that elephant in the room, Canelo Alvarez.

1391
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 2: He holds all four titles in this division. Him versus Benavidez,

1392
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 2: for example, is among the two three best fights you

1393
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 2: can make, and that you can make the argument it's

1394
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 2: the biggest and best fight, even bigger than is that

1395
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 2: bigger than fury Usic? Not historically bigger, it would be more.

1396
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 2: It would certainly be bigger in terms of attention. And

1397
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 2: obviously Andreid has been chasing Canelo on fruitfully for years.

1398
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 2: Canelo had fight one of his latest deal with PBC.

1399
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 2: We're understanding that it's a three fight deal. We obviously

1400
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 2: don't know where the PBC network future is going to

1401
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 2: turn for twenty twenty four, as we're waiting, like anyone else,

1402
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 2: breathlessly for that. But if Canelo's got two fights left,

1403
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 2: it does appear like there's been some rumors that it

1404
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 2: could be Mongia in may for Sinko to Mayo, and

1405
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 2: it could be or the plan already is that it

1406
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 2: would be Benavide's next September. So you have to ask yourself, okay,

1407
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 2: like why are we pushing so far? Is it to

1408
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 2: make Benavidez his brand big? Because you're also potentially risking

1409
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 2: that he gets a lot better during that time. I

1410
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 2: obviously asked Benavitez about that, like what, like in your opinion,

1411
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 2: why haven't you fought Canelo yet? Let's hear him. Is

1412
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 2: Canelo waiting you out, avoiding you? How would you describe

1413
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 2: the fact that you haven't fought him yet?

1414
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 3: To be honest with you, I don't know what that

1415
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 3: man is doing.

1416
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 7: You know, I feel like everything every time I say something,

1417
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 7: people try to say that I'm looking for a pay day,

1418
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 7: I'm looking.

1419
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 3: At doing for this and that.

1420
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 7: But I've been the mandatory fighter for the past two years.

1421
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 7: You know, I won a title eliminator first, and I

1422
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 7: won WBC introm and that guarantees you a spot.

1423
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 3: So the fact that this fight hasn't happened and it's

1424
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 3: really crazy to me.

1425
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 7: But like I said, you know, this man, this man

1426
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 7: is just making it worse for himself because I'm gaining

1427
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 7: so much more experience.

1428
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 3: You know, this is my second pay per view fight.

1429
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 7: You know, the crowds are really big for this fight,

1430
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 7: so I'm getting very comfortable, and like I said, I'm

1431
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 7: not going nowhere and I'm not going to win best

1432
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 7: in this division. I'm definitely gonna show the world why,

1433
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 7: and especially once again the ring with Canelo, those all

1434
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 7: those belts are going home with me.

1435
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 2: So Luke, with no disrespect to Andreid's chances in his

1436
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 2: own want to fight Canelo. If Benavetez breaks through on Saturday, Like,

1437
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 2: I don't know if he needs a stoppage because he

1438
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 2: didn't even start. You know, he didn't stop kalb Plant,

1439
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 2: but he beat him so thoroughly and looked so great

1440
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 2: that it was a huge step forward. But let's say

1441
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 2: in any form, Benavidez dominates on Saturday, then gets on

1442
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 2: the microphone and maybe it's less complimentary or less polite,

1443
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 2: and it's just like, listen, motherfucker, Okay, let's find out

1444
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 2: who the toughest Mexican is. Then forget the timeline I

1445
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 2: just threw out there that we had heard about through

1446
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 2: a report from ESPN. Mexico. You gotta do that fight

1447
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 2: in May, right, that's the biggest way you can make.

1448
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 2: You gotta do that is Canelo at steak for the

1449
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 2: winner here next in your.

1450
01:08:55,080 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 8: Opinion, Ah, I don't know, I don't know. I don't know,

1451
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:08,799
Speaker 8: And that might sound.

1452
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 1: Crazy because you're like, well, who the fuck else would

1453
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 1: it be? Yeah, dude, they're talking about some bullshit like Mungia.

1454
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, I didn't even know that, like when

1455
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: you said that.

1456
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 2: Like my heart, that's the Yeah, that's the ESPN Deportees report.

1457
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 2: And you know, dalea Hoy has been pushing it for

1458
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:26,560
Speaker 2: too because of course that's the big cash out for Honey.

1459
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 2: But he's I mean, dude, say what you will about Mongia,

1460
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 2: and he's been fighting.

1461
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 1: He can punch, he can can't drive.

1462
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 2: Schedule, he is still like forty four and oh, like

1463
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:37,640
Speaker 2: he's forty one and oh or something ridiculous like you

1464
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 2: gotta go for it now.

1465
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 1: So BC wasn't what wasn't what was his name? And

1466
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 1: the wrestler who like wrestle all the women, Andy Kaufman.

1467
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,679
Speaker 2: Wasan yeah, yeah.

1468
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:47,759
Speaker 1: You know he was like I'm I'm like one hundred

1469
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 1: and one and oh or something, and it's like, you know,

1470
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 1: he's doing this misogynist joke, but like that's what it's like.

1471
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,440
Speaker 1: Did you see this? Did you see Iachi row yesterday

1472
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:56,639
Speaker 1: he played an entire high school team. Did you see

1473
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 1: he pitched?

1474
01:09:57,880 --> 01:09:58,440
Speaker 2: Oh?

1475
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 1: He fucking said. All of these kids crying back to

1476
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 1: the dugout like everyone's like, what the yeah, dude. Each

1477
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: year rowd just destroyed this high school team in Japan.

1478
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 1: It was crazy. So, yeah, dude, he looked like a

1479
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: fucking he looked like prime Randy Johnson up there, but

1480
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 1: he ain't prime Randy Johnson. So I'm not saying Mangia is,

1481
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 1: you know, uh without talent. He's got a big punch

1482
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:19,640
Speaker 1: and he's been in some wars, like he'll give you

1483
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 1: good entertainment. It'll be the fight with Canelo would be fine,

1484
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 1: but it's the David ben I mean, this is all right, dude,

1485
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 1: Like what whether Canelo hands the title off to him

1486
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 1: or not, and whether they fight or not, I don't know.

1487
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 1: All I can tell you is David Benavidez is the

1488
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 1: next big Mexican star in boxing, which is basically either

1489
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 1: the biggest star in boxing or something right underneath that.

1490
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 1: And he is going to fucking bulldoze I think I think.

1491
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 1: I think he's going to bulldoze everything and every one

1492
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 1: in his way. And Canello is trying to figure out

1493
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 1: to what extent he wants to play a role in that,

1494
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 1: or you know, do you really believe he can stop it?

1495
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:54,680
Speaker 1: So you're asking me to figure out, like, well, you know,

1496
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 1: should he be next if he becomes this sort of solidified,

1497
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 1: Well not, but this is worth It's.

1498
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 2: Again you have to be You can't because like I

1499
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:05,599
Speaker 2: don't want to accuse Canelo should be is the answer? Yeah,

1500
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:08,679
Speaker 2: I don't want to confuse or accuse Canelo of ducking.

1501
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 2: But like Canelo is just coming off a performance against

1502
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 2: Jamel Charlo, whether Charlo fumbled the bag and didn't you know,

1503
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 2: try his hardest, or what where Canelo looked completely re reborn.

1504
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:22,640
Speaker 2: He did from the three fight stretch where where injuries

1505
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:24,759
Speaker 2: had slowed him down and maybe had him looking old.

1506
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 2: So I don't know outside of the idea that you

1507
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 2: could build it up for a year, you know, a

1508
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 2: hostile build for one year to make this a super fight.

1509
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 2: Why would you want to wait if you're Canelo for

1510
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 2: next year when you're a year older for next fall, right,

1511
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:42,639
Speaker 2: like potentially fight him now, but uh man, you gotta

1512
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:44,720
Speaker 2: see where the PBC's going TV wise. A lot of

1513
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 2: things at stake here, but the fact that we're closing

1514
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 2: in on this possibility is great quickly on the on

1515
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:53,640
Speaker 2: the android side, because he's got you know, benevetez is

1516
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 2: to win first on Saturday, Luke. I mean he was

1517
01:11:57,640 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 2: he sat out a couple of years when he got

1518
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 2: into it. They need to get out of his Banner

1519
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:03,679
Speaker 2: promotions deal. And then I mentioned at the Eddie Hern

1520
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 2: run didn't really go anywhere. Andreid's bounced around, He's finally

1521
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 2: got his moment, but his name again kind of became

1522
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 2: a derisive force during that stretch, where like fighters didn't

1523
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 2: want to risk it and fans were almost like, just

1524
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 2: fight somebody already. Dude, here's Andrei talking to me on

1525
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 2: how difficult this run has been. How difficult has it

1526
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 2: really been? Have you thought about walking away? Have you

1527
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:29,639
Speaker 2: like thrown your hands up and said, man, this business

1528
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 2: is broken, It's not for me. How did you get

1529
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 2: through it to be in the position that you are

1530
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 2: now to go try to fulfill your dreams?

1531
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 6: November twenty five, Mindset Longevity money, like you know, I

1532
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 6: did throw my hands up at one point.

1533
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 9: Now I thought I was like boxing, but like the

1534
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 9: situation that I was.

1535
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 10: In, and just like, hey, listen, clearly this is not

1536
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 10: working up and then needs to a separation here, we

1537
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 10: need to divorce.

1538
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 9: It needs to need to get the close up shop.

1539
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:12,400
Speaker 11: And so that's pretty much you know what I had

1540
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 11: to do to be in this position, to be where

1541
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 11: I'm at today. So this is more in my hands now,

1542
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 11: you know, no no no promoter, no like, no manager,

1543
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 11: no advisor, no like nothing. I'm paid, no obligations. I

1544
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 11: do have, you know, a solid team that I trust

1545
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 11: and I work with and put together for the best advice.

1546
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:39,640
Speaker 9: But nothing is on paper and there's no obligations.

1547
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 11: So free at last, Free at last, Thank god, my god,

1548
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 11: I'm free at last. And so we know these are

1549
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 11: the these and now I'm able to like, yo, what

1550
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 11: is it really?

1551
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:52,640
Speaker 1: What is it? What is it?

1552
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 9: And so at this point it's fighters don't want to fight,

1553
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 9: But I'm glad David has no way to go, just

1554
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 9: like I have no way to go, and it.

1555
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 11: Only makes sense to fight me versus fighting other people

1556
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 11: with whiskey and no reward in the sense of, you know,

1557
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 11: maybe not as well of a meed you know, at

1558
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 11: this time of his career, in for my career too,

1559
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 11: you know.

1560
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 2: Look saying no paper. Maybe he's referencing a handshake deal

1561
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:27,680
Speaker 2: with Al, him and PBC. It seems he's happy, but

1562
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 2: like he finally is controlling his own destiny, destiny through

1563
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 2: Al and getting the opportunities he deserves. He's a cornball, Luke,

1564
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 2: you can't deny that all access. He's a corn He's

1565
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 2: got some corny bits on there. But I do cheer

1566
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 2: for the guy in terms of like happy that he

1567
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 2: has his moment. He's very skilled, very skilled.

1568
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:46,719
Speaker 1: He's a skilled guy who's been avoided in the worst

1569
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 1: of ways. It's a to me it's a little bit

1570
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,600
Speaker 1: too late that he's getting this fight, but David Benavidez

1571
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: stepped up. This is exactly the kind of guy that

1572
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 1: Andreid has been wanting for a long time. That's exactly

1573
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 1: the kind of high profile fight headlining PBC pay per view,

1574
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 1: not PBC PA. But like, you know, he is obviously

1575
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 1: there now, but he wanted a big, big show, big fight,

1576
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 1: big weekend. He got it finally.

1577
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and finally we talked to Andrede about what type

1578
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:12,639
Speaker 2: of fight he expects, and one thing he did tell

1579
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 2: me Luke is if it calls for it, although it

1580
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 2: wouldn't be ideal, He's willing to stand in there and

1581
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,920
Speaker 2: fight and brawl and do trade or whatever he has

1582
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 2: to do to win this fight. This is his moment,

1583
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:25,559
Speaker 2: nothing left to to keep. He's got to risk at all.

1584
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 2: Here's what he expects from Benefitez.

1585
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:32,640
Speaker 9: Listen, people definitely get up for Michael Jordan, you know.

1586
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 11: So I want to be assumed he gets up to

1587
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 11: fight myself because it's yeah, you know, I'm not Cato

1588
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 11: Plant in no way shaping for him. That's a lot

1589
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 11: of the singings out there. We fight like you know, yeah,

1590
01:15:55,280 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 11: there's probably a little boxing, but this not fighting each other.

1591
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 9: It's just out the question. But yeah, and I'm also

1592
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 9: getting up too. I'm excited. You know. This is something

1593
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:08,400
Speaker 9: that you.

1594
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 11: Know, as I get to like, you know, put all

1595
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:15,679
Speaker 11: my own questions and then you know, put it out

1596
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 11: there and give them, give it my answers as well.

1597
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 9: So this is going to be a great time for me.

1598
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 11: To get up and let that Demetrius a game in

1599
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:28,680
Speaker 11: drade out. Like you know, I haven't been able to

1600
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 11: do that because it becomes less black for me as

1601
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 11: well when it's like somebody's trying to take my head off.

1602
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:39,720
Speaker 11: Of course, so I'm going to be in shape. I'm

1603
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 11: going to like stay on my job. But it's different

1604
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 11: when it's like two cats fighting each other now, you know,

1605
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 11: not cat and mouse.

1606
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 9: So this is definitely I'm definitely excited. Camp's going great.

1607
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 11: Were on time, we on time, We have time like

1608
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 11: the time we had time.

1609
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:04,679
Speaker 2: Baby. Look, I think he just compared himself to Michael Jordan,

1610
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 2: but but he does make interesting points about the idea

1611
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 2: that he doesn't know the full extent of his a game.

1612
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 2: Don't forget though he was a two thousand and eight

1613
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 2: US Olympian, he was like a legit globally ranked top

1614
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 2: amateur in a metal favorite, although he didn't bring home

1615
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 2: the medal in Beijing that year. So he can fight.

1616
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 2: It's his time now, Luke. So let's get to the

1617
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 2: prediction time. He said he likes this because it's two

1618
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 2: cats fighting and not a cat chasing a mouse, which

1619
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 2: is what he's felt like in a lot of these

1620
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:36,639
Speaker 2: fights against B and C level guys. Just to stay

1621
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 2: busy and defend his titles, But you need a dog

1622
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 2: in you to beat David Benavetez. So as much as

1623
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 2: we like the skills of Andred, as much as we're

1624
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 2: saying yes, could he do it, Yes, he could do it,

1625
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 2: we're not picking him to do it. Though. Let's be clear,

1626
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 2: it's gonna be really hard to beat the Mexican monster

1627
01:17:55,800 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 2: when he's this dialed in, focused, disciplined, has the gas tank.

1628
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, if this fight is close,

1629
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 2: unless he can, meaning Andreid, disarm and bring down the

1630
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 2: output of Benavidez, how would he do that? You got

1631
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 2: to hurt him. Unless he can completely confuse or hurt Benavidez.

1632
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:17,840
Speaker 2: Even if this fight is close, the judges are going

1633
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 2: to prefer the bigger guy walking you down. That's what

1634
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:21,679
Speaker 2: Benavidez does.

1635
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:24,720
Speaker 1: The winner here, whoever it may be, and I do

1636
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:27,560
Speaker 1: think it'll be Benavidez, but I bet you'll see in

1637
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:31,680
Speaker 1: the stats, whatever their baseline is for output, it'll be suppressed,

1638
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 1: right the loser, I should say, the winner will do

1639
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 1: the suppressing of the other one, because they're gonna be

1640
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 1: all over them. And I suspect what you'll see is

1641
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 1: Benavidez try it and gets stopped. Try it and get stopped,

1642
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 1: Try and get stopped early. Then it's going to start

1643
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 1: to go away in the middle rounds a little bit,

1644
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 1: and then by the last few rounds, assuming the fight

1645
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:50,640
Speaker 1: goes that long, you're gonna see a case where I

1646
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 1: think Benavidez is gonna overwhelm him, but he's gonna have

1647
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 1: to earn it, which is why I sort of loved

1648
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 1: this fight for him too, putting andred on his resume.

1649
01:18:57,800 --> 01:18:59,599
Speaker 1: If he's able to do it successfully on Saturday night,

1650
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:02,800
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a big quality boost to what he's done,

1651
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:04,560
Speaker 1: not just the significance of taking on a fight that

1652
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:06,680
Speaker 1: no one wanted to fight, but actually, like how you

1653
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 1: performed in that contest. There's there's two kinds of There's

1654
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 1: one nobility and then there's certain one kind of just

1655
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:14,719
Speaker 1: really performance measurement there and both of them work together,

1656
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 1: and I think to burnish in his resume and his

1657
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 1: star profile. So we shall see if he can get

1658
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 1: it done. But I think it's gonna look like that.

1659
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he gets a unanimous decision, and I

1660
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 2: think it's dominant in the second half, and as skilled

1661
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 2: and long and crafty as Andreid is Benavidez is gonna

1662
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:31,679
Speaker 2: make Andreid have to decide whether he really is gonna

1663
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 2: want to stand in there and trade to try to

1664
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 2: get ahead and win these rounds. And we haven't seen

1665
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 2: anybody do that to Benavidez and take that part of

1666
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 2: his game from him yet, So until we do really

1667
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 2: hard to make that bet. But Luke, this comin event

1668
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 2: is getting some attention.

1669
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 3: So.

1670
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 2: Jamal Charlow, the WBC middleweight champion, has not fought in

1671
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:54,760
Speaker 2: almost three years with mental health challenges. He went through

1672
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 2: a very bitter divorce that has led to some public moments.

1673
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,800
Speaker 2: He got slapped by Caleb Plant that same day and

1674
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 2: there's that thing going on. Yet He's done some time

1675
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 2: in Florida with Roy Jones to try to revamp his

1676
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:10,680
Speaker 2: mindset in games. Still training with Ronnie Shields in the

1677
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 2: Houston area. But this comeback fight against Jose Benavitez Junior,

1678
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 2: the older brother of David Benavitez, is one of those

1679
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 2: where on paper you understand why Charlo is like in

1680
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:24,759
Speaker 2: eight to one favorite here. Benavetez his best weight class,

1681
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 2: despite being a great amateur, was one forty seven. He

1682
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:29,760
Speaker 2: lost to Terrence Crawford, got stopped in the twelfth round

1683
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:31,679
Speaker 2: of a title fight. He got shot in the leg

1684
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:34,840
Speaker 2: and doesn't move the same. He's been fighting over his

1685
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 2: head the last few fights with the PBC in terms

1686
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:40,640
Speaker 2: of weight, but Luke, he's always down for it. Is

1687
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 2: there enough concern that Jermal Charlow might come back rusty

1688
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,599
Speaker 2: in this one hundred and sixty three pound catchweight bout

1689
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 2: after so much turmoil that we may see a close

1690
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:53,720
Speaker 2: fight or is this just a lot of trash talk

1691
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:56,679
Speaker 2: wrapped up in a potential get well fight that we're

1692
01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:58,040
Speaker 2: looking at here in this Coleman.

1693
01:20:58,000 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. You might be able

1694
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 1: to say Ericsson Lubin and in terms I'm about to

1695
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 1: ask you, but if you had to pick, look at

1696
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 1: all the KOs that Jermel and Jermal have, what's the

1697
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 1: best KO between them? Now, maybe you could say Lubin.

1698
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 1: I don't know what really depend on how you feel,

1699
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 1: But the j Rock one for me stands out. Dude,

1700
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,640
Speaker 1: the Jay Rock one, if you've never seen that, he

1701
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:22,120
Speaker 1: actually pulls his hand to block, pulls it back and

1702
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:25,400
Speaker 1: then and then finishes the guy basically with the same hand.

1703
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:27,599
Speaker 1: He goes back by and then comes back and gets him.

1704
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 1: It's like ridiculous how he does it. And Jay Rock

1705
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:34,640
Speaker 1: is a quality fighter, you know, Jamal has had We

1706
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:36,840
Speaker 1: saw him, We interviewed him both for that when they

1707
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 1: did the co headlining won during the pandemic at Mohegan's son.

1708
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:42,599
Speaker 1: You know, both those guys performed ably on that night,

1709
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 1: and Dremel has kind of gotten the line's share of

1710
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 1: attention in part because he's he had all four belts

1711
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 1: or I guess he got stripped of one or whatever

1712
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:52,680
Speaker 1: it is. But you know, he's the guy in that

1713
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 1: weight class, whereas Jamal has been you know, interesting and

1714
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 1: a champion, but has had a ton of issues outside

1715
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:00,920
Speaker 1: of the ring. I mean, BC, I gotta tell you,

1716
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:03,679
Speaker 1: this fight to me is fascinating because they put together

1717
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 1: two guys about which there's like a ton of questions about, yes,

1718
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 1: and they're pitting this fight as like the winner's chance

1719
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 1: to actually get right, stepping stone, this moment to get

1720
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:17,520
Speaker 1: to better places. I mean, I was there when Benavitez

1721
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 1: Junior fought Danny Garcia. I think you were gone that weekend.

1722
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:21,680
Speaker 1: It's the same night as a Mandan noon As and

1723
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:28,639
Speaker 1: Penya rematch, and dude, he looked terrible Dana Garcia couldn't

1724
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:30,719
Speaker 1: really stop him, but he was able to move around

1725
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 1: him with great ease. And he's not known as a

1726
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:35,599
Speaker 1: fast footed guy, you know, and you understand that right

1727
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 1: benavide has been shot in the lake on the case

1728
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 1: of Jamal dude like he got slapped by Caleb Plant.

1729
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:44,599
Speaker 1: Their families are fighting. God only knows. There's been issues

1730
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 1: outside of the ring that he's had. He's you know,

1731
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:51,680
Speaker 1: I don't even want to suggest that that. I'll just

1732
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 1: say this, that appears to be the tip of the

1733
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 1: iceberg of greater life problems. And so you're just wondering, like,

1734
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:58,240
Speaker 1: what the hell is going on here? Now there's more

1735
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 1: recent stuff to the story about Jamal Tree outside of

1736
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 1: the native area where he's from elver In, Florida. Blah

1737
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 1: blah blah. But this is these guys' chances to do something.

1738
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 1: I'll just say this, Even if Jose, even if Benavidez

1739
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:14,960
Speaker 1: Junior is in the best state he's been in a

1740
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:18,679
Speaker 1: long time, it's gonna take a lot to get past Jamal.

1741
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 1: If Jamal is at all what he once was. Jamal's upside,

1742
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:24,519
Speaker 1: I can't say it's higher than what it was. For

1743
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 1: like seventeen year old Benavitez Junior. But in the last

1744
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 1: five years, who's had a higher threshold Jamal by a

1745
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 1: million miles.

1746
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Jamal does have a lot, so many questions

1747
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 2: to answer in one fight. Because last time we did

1748
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:40,679
Speaker 2: see him against Juan messeas Montiel, he he didn't look great.

1749
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 2: He got you know, Montielle got lit up early. But

1750
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 2: we know him, dude, he just keeps comming until you

1751
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 2: knock him out. And he didn't get knocked out that fight.

1752
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:49,920
Speaker 2: He kept coming and really made Jamal kind of look bad.

1753
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 2: Then he goes through all that turmoil. So it's weird

1754
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 2: because this fight has so much contention. Look, they nearly

1755
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 2: came to blows at the press conference yesterday. Jose Junior

1756
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:00,800
Speaker 2: got up, got in Jamal's faith face. I mean it

1757
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 2: got hairy there. But yet it's like if Jamal is

1758
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 2: not shot or not, you know, not not prepared, there's

1759
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 2: a lot of knots in there. As long as Jamal's okay,

1760
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 2: he should win this. But Jose Benavidez does have a

1761
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:19,800
Speaker 2: will a chin. He's stubborn, he's gritty and luke he's

1762
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 2: been saying some crazy shit on the build here basically

1763
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:24,599
Speaker 2: being like, hey, Jamal, shut up about your mental health.

1764
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 2: I got shot in the leg and I'm still fighting, Like,

1765
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 2: but you know, bite down and get after it, like

1766
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:32,639
Speaker 2: stop being a beach. Uh, that's pretty wild. I caught

1767
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 2: up with Benavidez though, asking him about the idea of

1768
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 2: being in the main Comaine combo with his brother and

1769
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 2: what his thoughts are on this fight where both guys

1770
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 2: have so many questions coming in. How do you see this?

1771
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 2: You see this from the standpoint of being your brother,

1772
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 2: so I get that, but this is a tough matchup

1773
01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 2: for your brother, but we also have so many questions

1774
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 2: about Charlo. What are you expecting to learn from this fight?

1775
01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:59,720
Speaker 7: I feel like this is the best, a big opportunity

1776
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 7: for my brother. I think he has to take advantage

1777
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 7: of this. You know, he's been working extremely hard. I've

1778
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 7: even been sparring on myself, so I'm very confident that

1779
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 7: he's gonna go in there and knock Charlo out.

1780
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 3: You know a lot of people have been calling me.

1781
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:10,640
Speaker 7: Crazy, but I think it's gonna be one of the

1782
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:13,599
Speaker 7: biggest upsets in the past couple of years. I think

1783
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 7: it's gonna go in there and lay Charlo out, but

1784
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 7: it's gonna be a tough fight. You know, Charlo, I

1785
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 7: think he's just you know, he probably should have took

1786
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 7: another tune of fight, you know, because he's been out

1787
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 7: for so long, and but you know whatever, you know,

1788
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 7: my brother, he's gonna catch in on this opportunity, and

1789
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 7: you know it's gonna be a great fight.

1790
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 3: I haven't I joke with my brother. I'm like, damn, well,

1791
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:33,799
Speaker 3: we should just trade fighters.

1792
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 7: Let me fight Charlo and you fight Demitri because I

1793
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:37,559
Speaker 7: wanted to get that fight too.

1794
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:39,559
Speaker 3: But it's gonna be a great car man. I'm very

1795
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 3: excited for November twenty fifth.

1796
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:48,599
Speaker 2: Okay, So, Luke, let's imagine something. Let's imagine that PBC

1797
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 2: and Canelo would prefer fighting Benavide's next September as opposed

1798
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:57,799
Speaker 2: to next May for whatever reasons. Is Jamal Charlo should

1799
01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:00,640
Speaker 2: he get past Jose Benavitez June in a way that

1800
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:03,800
Speaker 2: US and the odds makers expect, is he the next

1801
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 2: opponent potentially for Benavidez in the spring, because Benavitez told

1802
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 2: me if he can't get Canelo, he has no problem

1803
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:14,679
Speaker 2: fighting David Morrell Junior. But would you like Jamal Charlo

1804
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 2: versus Benavidez A sixty eight.

1805
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 1: I'd rather get because it appears that the last Showtime

1806
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 1: card will be the December sixteenth one with David Morrell Junior,

1807
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 1: as I understand that I'd rather Benavidez fight Morel Junior. Yeah,

1808
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 1: so you're asking me, like, do I want Charlo. I

1809
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 1: think that they're on this car together for a reason,

1810
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 1: if I could be honest, So probably for the reason

1811
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 1: you're stating. But my preference, My preference is that if

1812
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 1: Benavidez isn't gonna fight Canelo next, let's have that. Let's

1813
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 1: have those two guys Morell and Benavidez duke it out,

1814
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:48,559
Speaker 1: because that would be that would be I don't even

1815
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:50,560
Speaker 1: want to say. That would be amazing. That would be

1816
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:53,120
Speaker 1: amazing if they could line that up. I'll tell you what,

1817
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:54,720
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you what too. Can you imagine a

1818
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 1: world where David Benavidez beats Andre Morel and Canelo all

1819
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 1: in the same year, that'd be right, That'd be like

1820
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 1: that world shattering.

1821
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:04,680
Speaker 2: Well, Okay, so this plays into the final point I

1822
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 2: wanted to bring up about David Benavidez, about how big

1823
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:11,760
Speaker 2: his potential star turn really could be, especially if he's

1824
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 2: getting pound for pound accreditation with that. And by the way,

1825
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:17,680
Speaker 2: if he beats Andreid here, he might show up in

1826
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 2: your top ten pound for pound list when you look

1827
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 2: at the totality of his last few wins against Plant Durrell, Like,

1828
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 2: you know, decent guys, like guys that can fight for sure.

1829
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 2: I've got one more interview to plug Luke not to

1830
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 2: play right now, but I caught up this morning with

1831
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:34,640
Speaker 2: the great Jim Lampley, of course, the iconic voice of

1832
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 2: HBO boxing for so many years, but he's working for

1833
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 2: PPV dot com doing work promoting this Benavidez Andraid fight.

1834
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 2: And one thing he told me at the end when

1835
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:47,559
Speaker 2: I did ask him about Benavitez is true long term

1836
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:50,519
Speaker 2: star power and whether that Mexican fan base is ready

1837
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 2: to like really inject themselves in full. He said, this

1838
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:57,280
Speaker 2: is Jim Lampley talking. You can check this video out,

1839
01:27:57,320 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 2: I believe later today or tomorrow at YouTube dot com.

1840
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 2: Last morning combat that he's talked to Benavidez about the

1841
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 2: idea of one day moving up to heavyweight and that

1842
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:09,840
Speaker 2: that Benavidez thinks he could do it. Go from one

1843
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:12,800
Speaker 2: sixty eight and with that frame, carry it up there,

1844
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 2: still have the speed all that that. Jim Lampley says,

1845
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 2: we have never seen a Mexican heavyweight champion with like

1846
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:23,200
Speaker 2: you know that We've seen Andy Ruiz to become the first,

1847
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:26,600
Speaker 2: you know of Mexican descent to hold a piece of

1848
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:30,520
Speaker 2: the heavyweight championship, but we've never seen like somebody potentially

1849
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 2: in the a seat the driver a star a Mexican

1850
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 2: heavyweight champion. Look that sounds like a pipe dream in

1851
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:40,040
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, because he's fighting one sixty eight

1852
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:42,920
Speaker 2: right now. But I haven't even thought of that. What

1853
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:47,360
Speaker 2: Lampley's saying is not wrong. Do you think this is

1854
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:50,920
Speaker 2: a sustainable game that he can carry up that dramatically?

1855
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 2: I mean, he did fight in the amateurs as like

1856
01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 2: a two hundred and seventy five pound fat kid. Basically

1857
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 2: that's the thing.

1858
01:28:57,439 --> 01:28:59,360
Speaker 1: Though he's been trying to get down as like a

1859
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:03,120
Speaker 1: sign of hell and progress ever since, right because everyone

1860
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 1: I got teased for being a fat kid, blah blah blah,

1861
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 1: and now he's you know, I got abs for the

1862
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 1: first time. It would take color me skeptical, Color me

1863
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:15,720
Speaker 1: skeptical that that's the way that he even gets to

1864
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:17,679
Speaker 1: heavyweight by a time where he still has his best

1865
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:20,200
Speaker 1: skills beneath him, you know what I mean. Like it

1866
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 1: would require a real change in his physical stature, which

1867
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:28,280
Speaker 1: would require a change in his game. We're not can't

1868
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:30,680
Speaker 1: say no, but we are a long way away from that.

1869
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, but let's just say it becomes harder to make

1870
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 2: sixty eight and he's getting bigger. Okay. I could see

1871
01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:38,360
Speaker 2: him as a light heavyweight. I definitely could. I know

1872
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:41,320
Speaker 2: his power won't continue to carry up, but he's a

1873
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:44,280
Speaker 2: volume guy anyway, who just outworks you and hurts you

1874
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:47,799
Speaker 2: and overwhelms you. Cruiser weight's always sort of an unknown.

1875
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 2: If you could take the punishment you can and you're

1876
01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:52,720
Speaker 2: a good boxer, you can do things there. Heavyweight oft

1877
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:57,800
Speaker 2: about bridger weight, yeah, bridger waight, Yeah, I've never even

1878
01:29:57,800 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 2: thought of that, Luke, but he would be the biggest

1879
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:02,799
Speaker 2: in the sport if he accomplished this type of transition.

1880
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 2: Let's quickly talk about what's also going on in the

1881
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:07,920
Speaker 2: Zone this weekend from Dublin, Ireland. I can't believe it's

1882
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 2: already here. Katie Taylor. She's the undisputed champion in her

1883
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:15,360
Speaker 2: own division. Of course, at lightweight, but she moved up

1884
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:19,719
Speaker 2: to one to face the unbeaten, undisputed champion in that division.

1885
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 2: Chantel cameraon earlier this year and Taylor lost a competitive, spirited,

1886
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:29,599
Speaker 2: but I thought clear decision. She was stubborn and saying

1887
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:31,800
Speaker 2: I've got the rematch clause, and she said it, Luke,

1888
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:33,920
Speaker 2: right after that the decision was announced, I'll see you

1889
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:37,439
Speaker 2: in the rematch. Katie Taylor has only identified this as

1890
01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:40,720
Speaker 2: what she wants. Put the Serrano rematch on hold, put

1891
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:43,360
Speaker 2: any other fight, as she's in her late thirties away.

1892
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:46,360
Speaker 2: This is the one that matters to her, Luke. All

1893
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:49,720
Speaker 2: the preview stories I've read has been about her resolve

1894
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:53,160
Speaker 2: and focus and dedication for this training camp as she

1895
01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:56,360
Speaker 2: works out quietly in Connecticut. Talk about King or Queen

1896
01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 2: of Connecticut Royalty here, Luke, She's been a resident for

1897
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:02,439
Speaker 2: like a decade now. They're claiming that they've never seen

1898
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:06,400
Speaker 2: her this focus. You remember that first fight. Can Katie

1899
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:09,400
Speaker 2: Taylor come back, come over the top and become an

1900
01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:11,759
Speaker 2: undispeeded champion in a second weight division on Saturday?

1901
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:14,200
Speaker 1: I didn't think the first fight was necessarily close. I

1902
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:18,439
Speaker 1: thought I thought Cameron was just way better and bigger,

1903
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:21,120
Speaker 1: wasn't Is it my imagination or was Cameron much bigger

1904
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:21,439
Speaker 1: than her?

1905
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:23,960
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, look, Taylor's moving up in wait, but Cameron,

1906
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:27,160
Speaker 2: she fought as the bigger fighter too. She fought Stern,

1907
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:28,000
Speaker 2: yeah thirty, you know.

1908
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:31,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, I mean, here's the thing. Taylor has these bursts,

1909
01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:34,639
Speaker 1: these sprints, and then you know it hits the gas,

1910
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 1: hits the brakes, hits the gas hits the brakes. You

1911
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:39,840
Speaker 1: have to get around that. You'd have to have more

1912
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:42,120
Speaker 1: sustained bursts. If that's the way she's going to fight.

1913
01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 1: Skeptical she can get it done.

1914
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:48,960
Speaker 2: Skeptical, what would you say about her? Come Come Monday

1915
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:52,719
Speaker 2: for MK if she does this, because you know, Clorisia

1916
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:55,320
Speaker 2: Shields has done this undisputed in multiple divisions now on

1917
01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 2: the women's side, but you know, late thirties, directly rematching

1918
01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:03,360
Speaker 2: a pownderful ranked, unbeaten fighter who just cleanly and clearly

1919
01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:06,680
Speaker 2: beat you, dude. That's that's something in this in this

1920
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:09,160
Speaker 2: story book career that Katie Taylor's been and what she

1921
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:11,840
Speaker 2: means to Ireland. Like I know, Ariel lays it on

1922
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:14,400
Speaker 2: Thick Luke. He's number one in the Katie Taylor fan club.

1923
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:17,160
Speaker 2: But when you do look at her story and the

1924
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:23,160
Speaker 2: social cultural impact she has, she's impressive. This would be something, dude,

1925
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:25,280
Speaker 2: this is this would be this is what the greats do.

1926
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:27,320
Speaker 2: This is what the all time greats do. If she

1927
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:28,240
Speaker 2: comes back and does.

1928
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:30,200
Speaker 1: No doubt about it, she and listen. Katie Taylor is

1929
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:32,840
Speaker 1: easy to like. She's easy to like, whether you like

1930
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:35,800
Speaker 1: her for Irish nationality, for who she is as a person,

1931
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:38,240
Speaker 1: or what she's accomplished as an athlete. She's very easy

1932
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:40,200
Speaker 1: to like. I just think it's a tough assignment, that's all,

1933
01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:42,000
Speaker 1: you know. I don't know. I don't, I don't I

1934
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:44,960
Speaker 1: don't wish poorly for her or something. I justin's a dude.

1935
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:47,559
Speaker 1: Chantell Cameron is a very good fighter and big.

1936
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:50,760
Speaker 2: Do you see Mikayla Mayers moving up like two or

1937
01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:54,120
Speaker 2: three weight divisions to fight Natasha Jonas for a welterweight title.

1938
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:56,439
Speaker 1: You that lost to Bumgardner really kind of set her

1939
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 1: on a different path, didn't it.

1940
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:00,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you see Bumgarner has claiming that she has

1941
01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:02,400
Speaker 2: cleared her name from that pey.

1942
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:04,400
Speaker 1: Sort of what they said was there's no way it's intentional,

1943
01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:06,080
Speaker 1: not that it wasn't in her system. But you guys

1944
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:07,320
Speaker 1: know how I feel. I don't want to give a fuck.

1945
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, topic number four, Lucas, whether you give

1946
01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:13,720
Speaker 2: a fuck about these future fight announcements. Here, let's go

1947
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:17,240
Speaker 2: too little. Let's go to UFC two nine to eight,

1948
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:19,960
Speaker 2: which I believe is the February bout. We don't know

1949
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:22,639
Speaker 2: the city yet, but we're gonna get a heavyweight banger

1950
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:26,600
Speaker 2: Justin Tafa fresh off of the park. Reporter did the

1951
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:29,479
Speaker 2: tour of Tafa. Luke, He's gonna now take on Marcos

1952
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 2: Ruggerio Duleima and someone's getting knocked out? Are you?

1953
01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:35,760
Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you, taking the TAFA tour not

1954
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:37,960
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. If you're not one of the Tafas.

1955
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:41,679
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, it goes for you.

1956
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

1957
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:45,479
Speaker 1: That's true, boy, Those tough, those TAFA boys will knuckle

1958
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:49,519
Speaker 1: up early on you, good lord. So I'll tell you

1959
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:52,080
Speaker 1: what Marcos Ujerio Dilima, he was the one who knocked

1960
01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:53,720
Speaker 1: him out so bad that it fucked up all of

1961
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:56,439
Speaker 1: his teeth. Is that Derek Lewis, Yeah, I might have been.

1962
01:33:56,479 --> 01:33:58,680
Speaker 1: Derek Lewis, poor bastard man. I feel bad for him,

1963
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:00,640
Speaker 1: but like this is the work line of work. I

1964
01:34:01,080 --> 01:34:03,519
Speaker 1: got news for you. Put your dentist on hold. Justin

1965
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:05,360
Speaker 1: Toff has got something for you later, you know.

1966
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:09,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you on that one December ninth, UFC

1967
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 2: Fight Night. You're not into Stephanie Agger versus Luana Santos, right,

1968
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 2: because I'm surely not.

1969
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:17,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could. I'm sure it's a fine fight, you know.

1970
01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:20,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Roman Delidze, Luke, we rumored it, we teased it

1971
01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:24,719
Speaker 2: from those reports. He's really fighting naserdine Aimeovov February third,

1972
01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 2: Fight Night, Main event, five rounds. He's got a baby

1973
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 2: that's here, Luke. So I'm sure mad bills to pay.

1974
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 2: But this hammer do you think Roman Delitze has learned

1975
01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:39,080
Speaker 2: enough from stepping up and losing to Vittori, like, you know,

1976
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:41,040
Speaker 2: balancing his gas tank, some of the things that he

1977
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:45,800
Speaker 2: has to adjust with that destructive power and physicality. This

1978
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:47,640
Speaker 2: is the fight that'll tell us, man, it's time. It

1979
01:34:48,200 --> 01:34:50,120
Speaker 2: could be time for Delizia to make a run, Luke.

1980
01:34:50,120 --> 01:34:53,640
Speaker 2: He just had the humbling defeat. Now let's put it

1981
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:55,120
Speaker 2: in gear, you know, well, so you move off.

1982
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:56,559
Speaker 1: Has kind of made a little bit of noise, but

1983
01:34:56,600 --> 01:35:01,000
Speaker 1: then faded down the stretch against some of the bigger opportunities.

1984
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:02,960
Speaker 1: This would be a great win for him too, Let's

1985
01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:04,479
Speaker 1: not forget that. So there's a lot on the line

1986
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:06,040
Speaker 1: for both of these guys who are kind of in

1987
01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:09,719
Speaker 1: that very talented But where are they going pool We shall.

1988
01:35:09,479 --> 01:35:13,680
Speaker 2: See absolutely absolutely. Hey, Michael Johnson is talented and when

1989
01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:16,599
Speaker 2: he lets that left cross go really quickly, anybody can

1990
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:19,519
Speaker 2: get it. Darius Flowers is going to get it. February tenth.

1991
01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:22,120
Speaker 1: You in on this fight, Luke, Michael Johnson is the

1992
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:26,000
Speaker 1: can man. Anybody can get it Adrian Broner style. Yeah,

1993
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:27,320
Speaker 1: I don't really care. Yeah, I mean I like Hi

1994
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:28,479
Speaker 1: as a fighter, but I don't care about this.

1995
01:35:28,479 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 2: Bernard just pulled out for the second straight time with

1996
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:33,080
Speaker 2: a hand dry for that Don King fight he was

1997
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:36,559
Speaker 2: going to have in Florida, probably out of highlight fronton. Yeah,

1998
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:37,920
Speaker 2: we're at that point of the career, Luke.

1999
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:39,760
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? I just you know

2000
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:41,439
Speaker 1: what kills me is like when I go on Instagram

2001
01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:44,280
Speaker 1: and then I see Broner like promoting his cash app

2002
01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:47,960
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, what the fuck happened?

2003
01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:50,559
Speaker 2: You know, A lot has happened, Luke. We got two

2004
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:54,400
Speaker 2: fights for February twenty, fourth UFC fight night, Edgar Schirez

2005
01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:57,759
Speaker 2: versus Danielle Le Serda, Victor third.

2006
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:00,839
Speaker 1: Time they've booked this one, third time getting sucked.

2007
01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:04,800
Speaker 2: Up, Victor Altamurano versus Felipe Dos Santos, Luke, Why should

2008
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:07,240
Speaker 2: I care about either of those fights at this point?

2009
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:07,760
Speaker 4: Uh?

2010
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:11,280
Speaker 1: The Chyras Lacerta fight could be good. I don't know

2011
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:12,360
Speaker 1: about the other one.

2012
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:15,800
Speaker 2: All right, Luke? Super Bowl weekend, Floyd Mayweather will be

2013
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:19,160
Speaker 2: back in a boxing exhibition. It seems there had been

2014
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:21,599
Speaker 2: heavy rumors whether we would see that in December, even

2015
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:25,000
Speaker 2: on showtime. Now. I don't know the TV home as

2016
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:27,960
Speaker 2: the PBC's making their transition, or whether Floyd will be involved.

2017
01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:30,479
Speaker 2: But he's gonna take on John Gotti the third. When

2018
01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:34,479
Speaker 2: they had their exhibition this year, it turned into an

2019
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:36,960
Speaker 2: MMA fight kind of not really, and then the Gotti's

2020
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:39,560
Speaker 2: vowed like murder and then it got weird. But I

2021
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:41,360
Speaker 2: guess we're gonna do it again. Do you care, Luke?

2022
01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:41,840
Speaker 2: Are you in?

2023
01:36:42,240 --> 01:36:43,080
Speaker 1: No? No?

2024
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:44,160
Speaker 3: No?

2025
01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:49,800
Speaker 2: All right? Okay, yeah. John Lenneker is gonna go the

2026
01:36:50,120 --> 01:36:53,280
Speaker 2: muy Tai route and get his debut for one championship

2027
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:56,840
Speaker 2: in January, Luke. I know they were admit amid heavy

2028
01:36:57,240 --> 01:37:00,280
Speaker 2: scaring reports from Bloody Elbow about their financial fear cuture.

2029
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:03,720
Speaker 2: But I'm sure when John Linneker fights this time, uh,

2030
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:07,799
Speaker 2: Trachery will tell you that six billion people, Luke were watching.

2031
01:37:08,360 --> 01:37:11,400
Speaker 1: More people were watching than exist think.

2032
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:16,080
Speaker 2: Do you think that they play it at cemeteries, Luke,

2033
01:37:16,120 --> 01:37:18,160
Speaker 2: and just go, well, look they had the access to it,

2034
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:19,120
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, they were.

2035
01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:21,599
Speaker 1: There watching it. You know, they were in front of it.

2036
01:37:23,240 --> 01:37:24,160
Speaker 2: Uh.

2037
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:26,600
Speaker 1: By the way, John Lineker doing Mosie sounds great. I mean,

2038
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:27,960
Speaker 1: I don't know how good of a fighter he's going

2039
01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:30,439
Speaker 1: to be, but you know it's four ounce gloves like

2040
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:30,960
Speaker 1: count me.

2041
01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:33,840
Speaker 2: In banger style. Hey, Dan Hooker's out of that Bobby

2042
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:36,200
Speaker 2: Green fight, Luke. He's got a hand injury.

2043
01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:40,400
Speaker 1: No, Bobby, it's the same break that he got against

2044
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:41,960
Speaker 1: who was a Jalen Turner.

2045
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah that sucks, dude, that sucks. So Bobby Green makes

2046
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:48,639
Speaker 2: really fun fights against anyone, especially like older names. Who

2047
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:51,080
Speaker 2: who who need to come back against? Like who would

2048
01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:51,720
Speaker 2: you book him?

2049
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:51,880
Speaker 9: Now?

2050
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:54,839
Speaker 2: Luke? I saw some people saying, let's do Max Holloway

2051
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:56,639
Speaker 2: and Bobby Green, Like what do you want to do here.

2052
01:37:57,880 --> 01:37:59,280
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not going to give you a name

2053
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:03,880
Speaker 1: that will you know, Oh, this guy's had championship runs

2054
01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:05,479
Speaker 1: in the UFC, But I think the right fight to

2055
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:09,639
Speaker 1: make is Jared Gordon. Jared Gordon had that weird head

2056
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:12,840
Speaker 1: class situation where the fight basically got stopped for that.

2057
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:15,080
Speaker 1: You know, it didn't you didn't get a real answer

2058
01:38:15,120 --> 01:38:18,280
Speaker 1: to who was supposed to win that contest. And then

2059
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:20,880
Speaker 1: more to the point, Gordon's just coming off that sensational

2060
01:38:20,920 --> 01:38:23,799
Speaker 1: ko at what was it two ninety five most recently,

2061
01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:27,360
Speaker 1: got in, got out, looked great, no issues, healthy, ready

2062
01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:29,920
Speaker 1: to go, volunteered for it. I don't know. I mean

2063
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:32,439
Speaker 1: RDA asked for it two up all up at like

2064
01:38:32,479 --> 01:38:34,280
Speaker 1: one sixty five, one seventy, So I don't know how

2065
01:38:34,280 --> 01:38:36,439
Speaker 1: that would work. He's got a big name, obviously bigger

2066
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:38,200
Speaker 1: than Jared Gordon's, but I gotta tell you, I think

2067
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:39,719
Speaker 1: Jared Gordon's case is pretty strong.

2068
01:38:41,439 --> 01:38:44,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if that, like would that move people? Luke,

2069
01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:45,599
Speaker 2: though you know what I'm saying.

2070
01:38:46,280 --> 01:38:48,559
Speaker 1: Sometimes, b see, you just have to do what's right,

2071
01:38:49,240 --> 01:38:49,839
Speaker 1: all right.

2072
01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:52,599
Speaker 2: I mean I do like our das always like he's

2073
01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:55,000
Speaker 2: Chewbacca level about it. About it, Luke, But he's thirty

2074
01:38:55,120 --> 01:38:58,760
Speaker 2: nine now. Two of his last three have been defeats,

2075
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:02,000
Speaker 2: but you know he'd be Paul Felder and Moikano. Before that,

2076
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:05,160
Speaker 2: he's lost to really good guys and Luke and physive.

2077
01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:07,080
Speaker 2: Do you think he still got got it for a

2078
01:39:07,120 --> 01:39:08,479
Speaker 2: while or what? Do you think we're close?

2079
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:11,479
Speaker 1: I think he'd give Bobby Green a tough time. If

2080
01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:13,360
Speaker 1: you're asking for like a big name that would make

2081
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 1: it competitive. I think he'd give him a tough time.

2082
01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:18,040
Speaker 2: Sure, And obviously when he walks away, Luke, we're gonna

2083
01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:21,599
Speaker 2: work his his resume, his legacy is fine line.

2084
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:24,200
Speaker 1: We have to have the MK. We have to have

2085
01:39:24,240 --> 01:39:28,519
Speaker 1: the MK Chewbacca Award, give the fighters who given to

2086
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:31,000
Speaker 1: the fighters, you know, because listen, Chewbacca didn't win every battle.

2087
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:32,720
Speaker 1: He got captured like a bitch at times. You know,

2088
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:36,519
Speaker 1: it happens. But uh, when it came time to knuckle up, dude,

2089
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:38,519
Speaker 1: he never said no, He never said he.

2090
01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:41,679
Speaker 2: Was never ever afraid of the of the Empire ever. Dude,

2091
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:43,720
Speaker 2: he was like, fuck, you.

2092
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:45,360
Speaker 1: Know, chew we go repair that shit. He'd be like,

2093
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:47,679
Speaker 1: I don't want to fuck repair this bullshit, and he'd

2094
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:48,320
Speaker 1: do it. Anyway.

2095
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:51,160
Speaker 2: And do you think he liked women of all alien

2096
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:52,960
Speaker 2: breeds in the galaxy, Luke, or do you think he

2097
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:57,719
Speaker 2: was more into like, uh, wookies and like for types.

2098
01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:00,280
Speaker 1: I think wookies are into banging other wookies. That's what

2099
01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:00,639
Speaker 1: I think.

2100
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:04,519
Speaker 2: I think he chases the muff around and goes human, Luke.

2101
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:06,600
Speaker 2: I think he might get down, and I'm down with that.

2102
01:40:06,680 --> 01:40:09,519
Speaker 2: It's twenty twenty three. Y Chubaka can be about it

2103
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:12,000
Speaker 2: about it with whoever he wants. Luke, Hey, you know

2104
01:40:12,160 --> 01:40:14,120
Speaker 2: I got about it about it report. I've got something

2105
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:15,160
Speaker 2: exciting to say, Luke.

2106
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:15,680
Speaker 1: Uh.

2107
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:18,599
Speaker 2: We're always pumping out great bonus content for YouTube dot

2108
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:22,280
Speaker 2: com slash Morning Combat. We've had interviews of every variety

2109
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:24,880
Speaker 2: of late including Mike Perry. So that's that was fun

2110
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:29,200
Speaker 2: and games to Oh hell yeah, dude. I talked to

2111
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Speaker 2: Brandon Roival yesterday for an interview that's gonna run early

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Speaker 2: next week here on the Morning Combat channel. You know, Luke,

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01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:37,240
Speaker 2: the raw Dog is in a title fight, and I

2114
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:39,880
Speaker 2: just want to say something. There's fighters that have already

2115
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:43,320
Speaker 2: sort of revealed themselves over time. You know, they're MK approved.

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01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:45,479
Speaker 2: I look at Mike, you know, I look at Michael Kisa.

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01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:47,679
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's an MK guy, right, you know, Billy

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Speaker 2: Q the Steamroller. You know what I'm talking about, Luke,

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Speaker 2: These like, you know what I'm saying, These are MK

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Speaker 2: approved mother efforts.

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Speaker 1: Dude.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that Raw Dog gets down with us

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01:40:58,400 --> 01:41:01,400
Speaker 2: and that he was going to bringing the type of

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01:41:01,479 --> 01:41:05,720
Speaker 2: wit and humor and ridiculous presentation, Luke, that we live

2125
01:41:05,800 --> 01:41:09,920
Speaker 2: for around here. This interview is awesome and I love

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Speaker 2: this man. So that's that's my Raw Dog report here, right, Luke. Okay,

2127
01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:16,400
Speaker 2: and if he wins the championship, we gotta get RJ

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01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:18,560
Speaker 2: to make us some Raw Dog t shirts. Okay, you

2129
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:19,200
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.

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01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:22,719
Speaker 1: Mikey says Raw Dog has a better Type five than BC.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I was laughing incredibly, Luke.

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01:41:26,240 --> 01:41:28,040
Speaker 1: It was it was actually what Mikey wrote was he's

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01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:30,160
Speaker 1: got a better Type five and then he wrote, then

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01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:32,559
Speaker 1: DC sequential rather than.

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01:41:33,080 --> 01:41:37,880
Speaker 2: A pedantic Peter is back there. So look for that

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Speaker 2: on the horizon as MK continues to take over the world. Luke,

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01:41:43,240 --> 01:41:46,599
Speaker 2: I want something to take over your world, and that's

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Speaker 2: the type of fitness regimen that's easy to understand follow

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Speaker 2: that helps spur your motivation. That helps you organize your

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Speaker 2: thoughts and teach you and then adjust to you each

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Speaker 2: step of your journey. Because we all want to get fit,

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Speaker 2: but sometimes it's hard to do it alone. But look

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Speaker 2: this app called fitbod. It kind of brings all those

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Speaker 2: voices together to the palm of your hand.

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Speaker 1: You know what you need out there, and I'm being

2146
01:42:12,920 --> 01:42:15,360
Speaker 1: dead serious. You need structure. You need structure. You need

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Speaker 1: to know what your goals are. You need to know

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Speaker 1: what your plan is. You need to know what's attainable,

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Speaker 1: what's not, what's healthy, what's not, what's right for you,

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Speaker 1: what's right for what you have, and then puts a

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Speaker 1: plan into action. It can refresh that plan over time

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01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:30,479
Speaker 1: as it gets new information. It can update it. It can

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Speaker 1: update the goals, it can update the exercise. You need

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01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:35,920
Speaker 1: a plan, You need structure, and that is how you

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01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:38,880
Speaker 1: get from place A to place B, C and D

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Speaker 1: and so forth and BC. I gotta say for all

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01:42:41,160 --> 01:42:44,920
Speaker 1: those things, goals, planning, exercises, refreshing, new ways to look

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Speaker 1: at it, blah blah blah, the whole thing. It can

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Speaker 1: all be done with fitbod.

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Speaker 2: It can and you don't need to be a professor

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Speaker 2: to figure out the math loop. Because fitbod will take

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Speaker 2: control of these areas. We see how much statistics and

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01:42:56,800 --> 01:42:59,200
Speaker 2: numbers are changing the way we look at and break

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Speaker 2: down sports and react to it. The same should be

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Speaker 2: done for the way you work out and the adjustments

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01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:07,320
Speaker 2: you make. Well. Fitbod can be that for you. This

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01:43:07,360 --> 01:43:10,240
Speaker 2: is an app that can personalize the workouts to you

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Speaker 2: specifically to your goals, to the equipment you have around you,

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01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:17,679
Speaker 2: and to like what you're trying to do here. Fitbod

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Speaker 2: will help you get through those plateaus, kick down the walls,

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Speaker 2: and keep going because look, it's not always about motivation.

2172
01:43:25,160 --> 01:43:27,640
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's about knowledge. And if fit bod can be

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01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:31,840
Speaker 2: that gap filler and educate you around the process, teach

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Speaker 2: you new workouts along the way, you're only going to

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Speaker 2: continue to grow as a person and then suddenly you

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Speaker 2: won't feel like a wash pos. Look you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean. I mean, it's that simple. There's an equation

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Speaker 2: out there. Get fitbod. That's how you do it.

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Speaker 1: And I'm telling you guys, not only will it has

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Speaker 1: BC indicated, it will sort of pick the plan that's

2181
01:43:48,280 --> 01:43:50,160
Speaker 1: right for you and the equipment that you have or

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Speaker 1: don't whatever. All that stuff very customized. But more than that,

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Speaker 1: I cannot overstress overemphasize this. What you do not want

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Speaker 1: to do is show up to the gym and say

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Speaker 1: what am I working out today? And you don't know

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Speaker 1: and again speaking to what I had before, you don't

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Speaker 1: have a plan that's not really gonna work. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: get suboptimal gains. You're gonna do bro splits during the week,

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Speaker 1: which is not the right way to do it. You're

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Speaker 1: not gonna be picking on the right things. You're not

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Speaker 1: gonna be progressing at the rate you want to. And

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Speaker 1: then you're gonna do the work that you've done and say, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm disappointed with the results, Yes, because you didn't do

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Speaker 1: them correctly. Fit bod can do all the things I mentioned.

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Speaker 1: And when you show up to the gym or whatever

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Speaker 1: you have in your house, you have a plan. You

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Speaker 1: don't have to worry about what that plan is gonna be.

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Speaker 1: I cannot tell you how much of a headstart that's

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Speaker 1: gonna be for the fitbot.

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Speaker 2: When you have an app in the palm of your

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Speaker 2: hand that can track your muscle fatigue and recovery and

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Speaker 2: help you vary your intensity and volume. It's like having

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Speaker 2: a personal trainer along the way. That's what keeps your

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Speaker 2: gym sessions fresh. That's what keeps you coming back and

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Speaker 2: mixing up your workouts, your rep schemes, and suddenly you're

2206
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Speaker 2: trying things that you never thought of. Luke, I look

2207
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Speaker 2: at a gym sometimes and look at the CrossFit area.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea what's going on over there. But

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Speaker 2: you get on Fitbud, you can say getting an understanding

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Speaker 1: as always BC Combat with AK.

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Speaker 2: Here we go, Luke, right into it. Fan submissions, g

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01:45:30,160 --> 01:45:33,520
Speaker 2: what is it morningcombat at gmail dot com? Every Wednesday.

2219
01:45:33,680 --> 01:45:35,920
Speaker 2: You can dead wrong us on Friday, but Wednesdays are

2220
01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:38,800
Speaker 2: all about your artwork and your tight T shirts. Let's

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01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:41,080
Speaker 2: do it now. We've got angry male viewers.

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01:45:41,400 --> 01:45:44,560
Speaker 1: Yes, you've got mail fusers.

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01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:52,400
Speaker 2: All right, Luke, this is Louis. Louis Garcia from Toledo, Ohio,

2224
01:45:52,520 --> 01:45:54,800
Speaker 2: second time contributor. I wanted to share some pics of

2225
01:45:54,840 --> 01:45:58,120
Speaker 2: my man cave named Ellen R. North. These were taken

2226
01:45:58,240 --> 01:46:00,320
Speaker 2: just before the wife and I had Friends of for

2227
01:46:00,360 --> 01:46:03,639
Speaker 2: You UFC ninety five. I was made sure to rep

2228
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:07,040
Speaker 2: MK at the party. Note my favorite poster The Pride

2229
01:46:07,080 --> 01:46:11,600
Speaker 2: Final Conflict and my mini poster one of my favorite movies, Predator.

2230
01:46:11,800 --> 01:46:15,320
Speaker 2: Hopefully Luke can't see my cord management or tattoos very well,

2231
01:46:15,400 --> 01:46:18,559
Speaker 2: as I'm sure i'd be harshly judged. Shout out from

2232
01:46:18,600 --> 01:46:23,120
Speaker 2: this day one fan. Keep up the great work. It's Louie. Damn.

2233
01:46:23,160 --> 01:46:24,880
Speaker 2: I love this man, Luke. Look at this guy.

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01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:28,160
Speaker 1: First of all, that's a great man cave. I gotta

2235
01:46:28,200 --> 01:46:30,840
Speaker 1: tell you, Yeah, coord management makes me want to punch

2236
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:32,720
Speaker 1: a hole in his wall. I'll be honest about it.

2237
01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:35,960
Speaker 1: Oh come on, come on, but but but that aside,

2238
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:39,519
Speaker 1: there's a lot right about this, a lot. I gotta

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01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:42,320
Speaker 1: tell you. The mood lighting underneath the bar, Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: ac duckt right over your head, That's what I'm talking about. BC.

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01:46:46,120 --> 01:46:47,520
Speaker 1: That's that man cave.

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01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:49,920
Speaker 2: The giant rip holes and the wife's jeans. This guy

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01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:52,080
Speaker 2: knows how to party, Luke, Okay, you know what I mean.

2244
01:46:52,160 --> 01:46:55,320
Speaker 2: He's got tattoos too. I mean, look at this is guy's.

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01:46:55,160 --> 01:46:58,439
Speaker 1: This is a comfortable spot to have friends over and

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01:46:58,520 --> 01:47:02,240
Speaker 1: watch fun fucking fights, which I've not done in fifteen years.

2247
01:47:02,280 --> 01:47:04,880
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm gray and sad. This man has

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01:47:04,920 --> 01:47:05,479
Speaker 1: it going on.

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01:47:05,720 --> 01:47:08,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, he nicknames his man cave the L N R North.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what that means, but I want to

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01:47:10,240 --> 01:47:15,320
Speaker 2: be North. Uh No, L and R is that an amper? Saying?

2252
01:47:15,439 --> 01:47:16,960
Speaker 2: What's an an? What if the hell is an end?

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01:47:17,080 --> 01:47:19,000
Speaker 1: What do you call an end? Yeah?

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01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:21,120
Speaker 2: All right, there you go. Let's hear from k Is

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Speaker 2: this khy No, it's uh Hi, This is Kagan. This

2256
01:47:24,640 --> 01:47:27,240
Speaker 2: is Kay checking in from Copenhagen. Figured I would rep

2257
01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:30,559
Speaker 2: MK after Dolby's incredible win. I missed the MSG pay

2258
01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:33,040
Speaker 2: per view, so I was catching the recaps. Also, I

2259
01:47:33,120 --> 01:47:36,519
Speaker 2: wore the Green Bomber while in Sweden meeting friends as well.

2260
01:47:36,760 --> 01:47:39,680
Speaker 2: I found a museum dedicated to BC's liver while I

2261
01:47:39,800 --> 01:47:43,479
Speaker 2: was there. Look that's Ky, who claims he's beating both

2262
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:46,200
Speaker 2: of us at okay bet and does submit his picks

2263
01:47:46,240 --> 01:47:48,559
Speaker 2: every single week at Morning Combat on X.

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01:47:49,720 --> 01:47:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. He I mean beating us doesn't say much though.

2265
01:47:52,120 --> 01:47:55,360
Speaker 1: I mean that's about the bare minimum you should be doing.

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01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:59,439
Speaker 2: Dude, K, would you say Ky is greasing his way

2267
01:47:59,479 --> 01:48:02,880
Speaker 2: up the last in terms of twenty twenty three Fan

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Speaker 2: of the Year consideration.

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01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:05,840
Speaker 1: I will say I will say he's you know, not

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01:48:05,920 --> 01:48:08,200
Speaker 1: in the lead per se, but definite dark horse.

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01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:12,080
Speaker 2: Okay, K, why yes, right, Sometimes you need to get

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01:48:12,080 --> 01:48:15,639
Speaker 2: through a tight space called k Y. Yeah, yeah right, Luke,

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01:48:15,720 --> 01:48:17,679
Speaker 2: Ray you know you know what I'm talking about.

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01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:20,280
Speaker 1: I've had some good times with K. I'm not about

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01:48:20,320 --> 01:48:24,599
Speaker 1: your head, Ky and astroglide. You can't go wrong.

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01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:28,840
Speaker 2: Wow, Thank you K for your contribution. We got a

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Speaker 2: couple more. This is from Niguell Nogel. What's up, good Donks.

2278
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:35,880
Speaker 2: I got by N in the chat, but my name

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01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:37,760
Speaker 2: is oh I go by N in the chat. My

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01:48:37,840 --> 01:48:42,400
Speaker 2: name is Niguel, Yes, like Nigel Thornberry, Nigel Barker and

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01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:45,320
Speaker 2: Nigel Bang Bang Parkers. Okay, so his name is Nigel Luke.

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Speaker 2: First of all, Happy Veterans Day to Luke. I'm prior

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01:48:48,120 --> 01:48:50,920
Speaker 2: military and my father was also his whole life. I'm

2284
01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:53,280
Speaker 2: also born on Veterans Day. So this weekend. I went

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01:48:53,320 --> 01:48:54,960
Speaker 2: to the city on my birthday. I stayed at a

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01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:57,840
Speaker 2: hotel on West forty eighth Street, And on my last

2287
01:48:57,880 --> 01:48:59,840
Speaker 2: day there, I'm saying, how crazy would it be to

2288
01:49:00,160 --> 01:49:02,719
Speaker 2: into a fighter? And as I'm smoking on a dutch

2289
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:07,799
Speaker 2: filled with grease, Monkey Mokey Runts and Mochi run Moji

2290
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:10,920
Speaker 2: runs and thc A Diamonds, I look up and they're

2291
01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:12,920
Speaker 2: walking past me. Is Iron Mike Chandler.

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01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:13,840
Speaker 9: Wow.

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01:49:14,160 --> 01:49:16,240
Speaker 2: I told him I'm a fan. I asked for a pick.

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01:49:16,280 --> 01:49:18,960
Speaker 2: He said yes, he told me, Happy birthday. We kept

2295
01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:21,160
Speaker 2: it moving. What a way to end my birthday weekend.

2296
01:49:21,680 --> 01:49:24,080
Speaker 2: It really ended by all the trains going back up

2297
01:49:24,120 --> 01:49:26,880
Speaker 2: state being canceled and having to figure another way back home.

2298
01:49:27,120 --> 01:49:29,439
Speaker 2: But that's a story for another time. I'm a big

2299
01:49:29,439 --> 01:49:34,719
Speaker 2: fan of Luke Don't Change, BC, you the Realist, Nila Alive?

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01:49:34,880 --> 01:49:36,960
Speaker 2: Is Thatlla Wafer?

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01:49:37,160 --> 01:49:37,320
Speaker 1: You know?

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01:49:37,680 --> 01:49:39,800
Speaker 2: Yeah that sounds a little weird and racy, but yeah,

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01:49:39,880 --> 01:49:40,639
Speaker 2: thank you very much.

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01:49:40,760 --> 01:49:43,679
Speaker 1: I just don't like saying N words anywhere in that context,

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01:49:43,680 --> 01:49:46,719
Speaker 1: even if it's like nuts or Norman. I just don't

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01:49:46,720 --> 01:49:47,599
Speaker 1: want to get near it.

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01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:50,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're good, good point. All right, Let's see if

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01:49:50,240 --> 01:49:51,519
Speaker 2: we can add one or two more on the way

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01:49:51,560 --> 01:49:54,519
Speaker 2: out from Peter. Hello, gentlemen, Peter here with two pictures

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01:49:54,520 --> 01:49:57,240
Speaker 2: of me wearing my super washed Dad's T shirt. These

2311
01:49:57,240 --> 01:49:59,760
Speaker 2: were taking on Friday, November tenth that my gym called

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Speaker 2: op Fitness. Happy Birthday, Marines. This is for you, Luke,

2313
01:50:03,120 --> 01:50:05,000
Speaker 2: and I hope you can win. Okay, Bet, I can't

2314
01:50:05,000 --> 01:50:09,120
Speaker 2: wait to see BC at some abortion rock concert. Great job, fellas, Luke.

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01:50:09,160 --> 01:50:11,760
Speaker 2: Look at this guy Peter getting it done with.

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01:50:11,800 --> 01:50:15,280
Speaker 1: The overhead ceiling space in this gym. Fucking amazing great

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01:50:15,439 --> 01:50:16,040
Speaker 1: look is.

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01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:18,960
Speaker 2: He a jerker? Is that just the movie's pulling off? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Little wait?

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Speaker 1: Could both could be both? We gotta fly through these, bro.

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Speaker 2: All right, Uh, maybe we'll just wrap it there, Luke. Okay,

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Speaker 2: we'll figure that. We'll finish the rest of them another time.

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean all right, very good, very good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there we go, mikey.

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Speaker 1: Keith, Thanksgiving everybody.

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Speaker 2: Huh oh he wants us to go to the last one.

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Speaker 2: This is from Two Changs. Here's our final fan sub

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Speaker 2: of this week.

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Speaker 1: All right, what way too soft song would you choose

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Speaker 1: for aspenall be so you can go first on this one?

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Speaker 3: So?

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01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:49,880
Speaker 2: Why does aspinall have to have a way too soft song.

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01:50:49,960 --> 01:50:52,400
Speaker 2: Can he have like a badass classic rock song from

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Speaker 2: the UK?

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Speaker 3: Can like.

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Speaker 2: Hush by Deep Purple or something, Luke coming, come on right.

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Speaker 5: Shine, hot assass?

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Speaker 2: You don't like that song, Luke?

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Speaker 1: That song movie, I didn't like it, but I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: describe it as badass.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, Luke, that is very well done. And of

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Speaker 2: course using the what was that I know what you

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Speaker 2: did last summer? Or uh that opening drive around the

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Speaker 2: curve there when they hit that kid spoiler alert and

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Speaker 2: that same song as rock on those white kids radio. Yeah, Luke,

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Speaker 2: I guess that was my whole youth summed up there

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Speaker 2: in one incredible two chains clip.

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Speaker 1: No, those people have friends in their car.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow. We'll finish off the fan subs next week.

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Speaker 2: show for you on Friday. Mail Bag predetermined You're gonna

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Speaker 2: love it for Luke Thomas Is, Brian Campbell. Turkey Day's

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Speaker 2: the best. Enjoy your family or football, your friends. Take

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