1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: Let's get to our guest. Ken Wong is with US. 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: He is portfolio special as specialist for Asian equities at 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: east Spring Investments. He's on the line from Singapore. Can 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: we can talk about the macro in a moment as 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: it relates to the FED and the path of interest 6 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: rates and the dollars story. Give me your take on 7 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: where things stand with a semiconductor issue. After the Biden 8 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: administration moved to further restrict China's access to uh the 9 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: cutting edge chip technology that the US has right now, 10 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: we're seeing a lot of damage across the not only 11 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 1: US chip space, but chips in Japan and in South 12 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: Korea as well. Yeah, I mean, unfortunately, that's going to 13 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: be a you know, sort of a knee jerk reaction 14 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: because the fact this is that a lot of the 15 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: very chains companies today, um, you know, still do rely 16 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: on a lot of semi conductor chips from you know, 17 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: global companies and particular you know, sort of what China's 18 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: pushed towards electric vehicles. There's been really a growing demand 19 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: for semi conductor chips. And also this is one of 20 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: the reasons why, you know, over the past couple of 21 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: years China has really been increasing their capex UH for 22 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: their own domestically product production of semi conductor chips. So 23 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: you know, we're getting to a point now where you know, 24 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: potentially that could escalate things further. Potentially that could also 25 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: be opportunities for semi conductor related companies within China to 26 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: really step up the process of developing semi conductor chips. 27 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: What about when we're looking at some of the big 28 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: earnings we're talking about the big slide in t SMC 29 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: and it's going to report later in the week, are 30 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: you expecting some more downward revisions? Definitely, you know within 31 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: Asia Chapin I would say, aside from China, where we 32 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: expect for earnings UH to potentially have tropped ready when 33 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: it comes to consensus earnings estimates for three for most 34 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: of Asia UM, they're still heading towards a lower trajector 35 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: when it comes to consensus earnings growth UM. And so 36 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: it's one of those situations where you know, right now, 37 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: overall market expectations are not looking so well right now 38 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: for any meaningful earnings upgrade for time being. You know, 39 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: when we look at chip exports for the first ten 40 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: days of the month, coming out of South Korea down 41 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: more than I'm I'm wondering whether or not you want 42 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: to try and catch the falling knife here. Are there 43 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: opportunities to put money to work in the chips mace 44 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: or are you going to just avoid things for the 45 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: time being right now? Yeah, we wanted to step back 46 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: and basically look to see where the opportunities are now. Obviously, 47 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: if there's certain companies which are going to be trading 48 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: substantial well below their intrinsic value. Being a value style investor, 49 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: especially you know, across the Asia region, especially within Theia 50 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: the Emerging Asia space as well, you know, we do 51 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: look for opportunities when it comes to you know, sort 52 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: of where stops to trading well blow the intrinsic value, 53 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: especially given some of the large corrections that we can see. 54 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: I wanted to get some of your thoughts on where 55 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: opportunity is when we are looking at these are fears 56 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: of a global recession and central bank tightening. You're looking 57 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: at India and China as potential I guess gainers in 58 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: terms of some and I'm at growth. Yeah, that's where 59 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: exactly we're looking for opportunities. The fact is is that 60 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: when you look at economic growth for this coming year, 61 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: we still see you know, fairly strong robust growth coming 62 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: from both India as well as China. UM. And also 63 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: at the same point, you know, when you look at China, 64 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: the fact is is that inflation is not an issue. 65 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: The fact is that when you look at overall interest 66 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: rate policies, there's definitely going to be you know, further 67 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: loosening when needed. Fiscal policies will also provide more support 68 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: to the country as well. UM, So there are potential 69 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: you know, uh, specific evaluation opportunities when it comes to 70 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: investing in places like China India. UM, it's really focusing on, 71 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: you know, sort of the growth opportunities, focusing on specifically 72 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: where you know, we're expecting the country to be heading 73 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: over the next couple of years when it comes to 74 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: earnings growth potential. So here in the States, uh, we're 75 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: looking forward to I guess you could say the holiday 76 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: shopping season as being a key driver of some of 77 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: the retail price section. Today, Adobe issued a new fork 78 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: cast for online holiday spending, and they're predicting massive discounts, 79 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: price cuts for computers, electronics, toys, that type of stuff. 80 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: And I'm wondering how you think margins are going to 81 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: hold up in the current environment. Is there still I 82 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: know you're talking about relatively low level of inflation in 83 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: Asia visa via the US, but are you seeing any 84 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: evidence of price pressure? Not at the moment. But what 85 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: we do expect to see potentially is, you know, especially 86 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: for a lot of Asian exporters. You know how with 87 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: the slowdown in the US effect overall bottom line for 88 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: a lot of the exporters. And we know for a 89 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: fact that overall, when you look at consumer sentiment in 90 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: places like the US, it continues to trend downwards. And 91 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: it's going to be important to see, you know, how 92 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: this holiday season is going to shape up when it 93 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: comes to overall sales figures, and if sales figures do 94 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: come in weaker than expect it, and that definitely will 95 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 1: have a fairly big impact on a lot of the 96 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: Asian exporters um. And it's also one of the situations 97 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: now when we look at you know, places like China, 98 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: they're actually exporting less to the US and more to Asia, 99 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: and so you know, with potential only slow downs in 100 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: the US, it might not necessarily have as deep of 101 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: an impact to Chinese exporters because their focus and their 102 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: attention now is actually more on Asian countries. You know, 103 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: a big part of the growth story is China reopening. 104 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: When we look at Japan reopening as of today, how 105 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: much is that kind of stummied by the fact that 106 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: Chinese tours still can't get in. That could be a 107 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: fairly robust issue because you know, pre COVID we have 108 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: seen a big majority of Chinese tourists being a fairly 109 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: big spender when it comes to sales and when it 110 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: comes to you know, purchasing goods and services within Japan. 111 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: The fact is that you know, with Japan opening and 112 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: with the weekend, it will help to some extent because 113 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 1: there is still going to be quite a bit of 114 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: pinned up demand from a lot of tourists from other 115 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: parts of the world, and so this definitely will benefit Japan. 116 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: But the other important aspect for Japan is, you know, 117 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: when you do start to have an influx of individuals 118 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 1: going in, is that going to also help foreign dark 119 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: investments because in fact that with the weekend, that does 120 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: have the opportunities potentially for investors to go back into 121 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:15,239 Speaker 1: Japan to see specifically opportunities when it comes to investing 122 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: in the country again. You know, we saw a little 123 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: bit of weakness in the price of crude oil in 124 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: the New York session, but that's the first sign of 125 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: weakness we have seen in about five days. And in 126 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: that five day period, New York crude was up seventeen 127 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: as the market focused on the reduced production coming out 128 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: of OPEC. Plus where does oil and the potential for 129 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: oil to remain elevated, where where does that enter your thinking? 130 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: Very quickly, well, when it comes to oil prices, you know, 131 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: with any weakening of oil prices, it definitely does help 132 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: some of the Asian countries like India as well as 133 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: Indonesia when it comes to them being major importers. And 134 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: so it's gonna be one of those situations where when 135 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: we look at the opportunities, if oil can continue to 136 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: stay at relatively low levels, it does definitely benefit some 137 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: of the Asian countries here who tend to be bigger importers. Yep, 138 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: all right, Kenn, thank you, We'll see you on TV 139 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: shortly to Ken Wong is Asian equity portfolio specialist at 140 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: the Spring Investments on the line for us from Singapore 141 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: here on daybreak. Asia