1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Hey, lady, is doctor dom here. If you like this 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: show and you want to make your own, let me 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: tell you about the free platform Anchor. It's a creation 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: tool that allows you to record and edit your podcast 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: right from your phone or computer. You can add songs 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: from Spotify and create any type of content that you 7 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: are looking for. 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And again, if 26 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 2: you are catching the replay, you can join us live 27 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:34,199 Speaker 2: every Friday at one thirty pm Pacific time four thirty 28 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 2: pm Eastern time on Green Room. Which is the conversation 29 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: that we're having today, So I'm going to pass it 30 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 2: on over to my co host and then we're going 31 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: to jump into this juicy conversation about mommy issues. 32 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: All right, let's do this. So I thank everybody for 33 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: your patients on my technical difficulties. I am doctor dom 34 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: and I am a license pych and college professor. All right, 35 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: so let's do this with our quote of the day. 36 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 1: As your clarity grows, you recognize sometimes it's not about 37 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: releasing but instead acknowledging what's already gone or what was 38 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: never there. And that quote comes to us from doctor 39 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: Tama and Lady, if you've listened to multiple episodes, you 40 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: know that doctor Tama has been on our show a 41 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: couple of times to talk about intergenerational trauma, but to 42 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: also talk about mothering. So Tea, are we ready to 43 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: dive in as we. 44 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am, let's do it. Let's do it. I'm actually 45 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 2: curious to know Dom what this quote means to you, 46 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: because there's part of the quote that I'm like, Okay, 47 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 2: I get this, but I think hearing someone else explain 48 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 2: it may kind of get me to where I want 49 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 2: to be with understanding the releasing part. So, when you 50 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 2: hear this quote, what does it mean to you? And 51 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 2: if you're listening live, let us know in the chat 52 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 2: as well, what does this quote mean to you? 53 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: So, as I think about this quote, it feels a 54 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: little it feels complex, like it feels like it captures 55 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: the complexity and the nuance as it relates to this 56 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: topic of mother daughter relationships. Right, that as you are 57 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: processing your relationship with your mom, that as things get clearer, 58 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: it may not be necessarily about letting go, but more 59 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: so about kind of acknowledging that something might not have 60 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: ever been there. Right, And I know I feel like 61 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: that kind of just repeated what the quote is. So 62 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: let me let me clarify even more. Right, So, this 63 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: one is more so about digging down into your mother 64 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: daughter relationship. And maybe what you're realizing is that it's 65 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: not about releasing a negative mother daughter relationship, but perhaps 66 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: part of what's needed for your healing is acknowledging that 67 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: your mother, the relationship with your mom never existed in 68 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: the way that you wanted it to in the first place, 69 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: and so that's the piece that you have to acknowledge 70 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: in order to move forward. Does that make sense? 71 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: That makes sense? That makes sense, And I feel like y'all, 72 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 2: don't judge Mefie. Sometimes it takes my mind or little while, 73 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: like I try to think about it very deeply and intently, like, Okay, 74 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 2: what does this mean? What does this word mean? I 75 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 2: totally get that. That makes perfect since Tom and I 76 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 2: appreciate you sharing, and I would agree with that. I 77 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 2: think that I will personally probably need to meditate on 78 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 2: this quirl a little bit longer to really figure out, 79 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 2: like what does this mean to me right now? But 80 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 2: I totally get what you're saying. And for those of 81 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 2: you listening, we have both talked about our relationships with 82 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 2: family and our mothers on the podcast. Right, we have 83 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 2: an episode about mommy issues, we have an episode about 84 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 2: daddy issues. So we'll be covering all the ground, right 85 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 2: and so today, of course, we're talking about mommy issues 86 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 2: in particular and addressing the wounds from the mother daughter relationship. 87 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 2: And so just for a bit of clarity's sake, me personally, 88 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 2: I do not have a relationship with my mom today, 89 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 2: and growing up I was raised in an abusive household 90 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: and a lot of that and behavior that occurred over 91 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 2: the past few years has impacted where I am with 92 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 2: that relationship. And so one of the things we want 93 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 2: to talk about is how our relationship evolves over time, 94 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 2: like how our relationship evolves over time with our mothers, right, 95 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 2: And maybe you didn't want rased with your mom. It 96 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 2: might be a mother figure, right, or whatever woman you 97 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 2: had in your life, who was that person? That figure, right, 98 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 2: that prominent female figure. And so I think that for me, dom, 99 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 2: I feel like there were definitely moments in time where 100 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 2: I had a beautiful moment or beautiful periods with my mom. 101 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 2: And I think over the years, particularly when I became 102 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 2: of age and I turned eighteen and sort of you know, 103 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 2: trying to find my own independence, we definitely had some 104 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 2: I want to say conflict because I was in a 105 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 2: place where I was finding myself, finding my way, and 106 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 2: I wasn't just a little girl who just did anything 107 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 2: my mom said. I had to find my own voice, 108 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 2: and there were things that she may have wanted me 109 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 2: to do that I necessarily agree with. And in order 110 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 2: for me to really transition from being that child that 111 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 2: does everything that you know, mommy and Daddy says to 112 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 2: becoming a young woman where I set boundaries and where 113 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 2: I prioritize my mental health, there was a disconnect because 114 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: I don't think really my family in general was accustomed 115 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 2: to me standing up for myself the way that I 116 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 2: was doing. So that's one period in time where I 117 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 2: remember there being a very clear conflict because of who 118 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 2: I was showing up as as eighteen were at eighteen. 119 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: And that makes sense, right, because there are, like there 120 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: are going to definitely be periods in our lives. Like 121 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: we know that there are some some of us out 122 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: there that are best friends with our mom. But even 123 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: the relationships where you are best friends with your mom, 124 00:07:54,760 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: there were times where there was conflict, right, And a 125 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: lot of that conflict stems from each individual's evolution, right. 126 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: So Tias, you were talking, you were speaking to you 127 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: were eighteen, right, you were just stepping into young adulthood, 128 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: and we Developmentally, you're at us at that time, You're 129 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: at a space where you're not totally under the influence 130 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: of your parents or authority figures anymore, and you're able 131 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: to see things for yourself and maybe start to question 132 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: things for yourself. Right, And so you speaking up and 133 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: speaking out at that time, no matter what the level 134 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: of relationship was with your mom at that moment, developmentally, 135 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: it made sense. 136 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 2: Right. 137 00:08:54,480 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: I don't know of any seventeen, eighteen, nineteen year old 138 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: that didn't have some level of conflict with their parents, 139 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: no matter what the well, no matter what the type 140 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: of relationship was that they had at that age, there's 141 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:19,839 Speaker 1: going to be conflict. And I think, you know, I 142 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: think the important thing for us to think about in 143 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 1: our relationships with our mom is where do things go 144 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: from there? Right? How do things evolve from that space? 145 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: And a lot of that evolution honestly stems from how 146 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: our mothers respond to us speaking up and speaking out. 147 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Absolutely I would agree with that, hands down, 148 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 2: dom And I think that that's just one example of 149 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: a life event. I think that you know, sometimes depending 150 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 2: on your relationship, sometimes if you move away or you 151 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 2: go to college, that could be another thing if you 152 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 2: have children, or if maybe you start going to therapy 153 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 2: and you're working through some things and certain memories start 154 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 2: to come back and you're like, wait, I have questions 155 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 2: about this, right, or you know, yeah, I'm gonna leave 156 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 2: it at that, so use another example. We're gonna leave 157 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 2: it there. But as you begin to find out things 158 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,839 Speaker 2: about your youth and then you ask questions that may 159 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 2: definitely cause that may cause a shift in the relationship, right. 160 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 2: I think also as we become parents, right, if you 161 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 2: choose to become a parent, that may be another situation 162 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 2: where you find that these things come up. Now I 163 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 2: see Diana who's listening live shout out to Diana says, 164 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 2: this quote helps me realize I need to give my 165 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 2: mother grace for the areas where she may have lacked 166 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 2: the knowledge to give me what I needed. A men 167 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: to that, and that takes us to one of our 168 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 2: next talking points, which is around compassion and realizing that 169 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 2: our moms did the best they could with the tools 170 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 2: that they had. And I know it's sometimes hard to 171 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 2: grapple with that when you know, especially if you've been abused, 172 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: or if you've had some situations that really impacted you adversely, 173 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 2: it can be hard to understand that. But I find 174 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 2: that the older I get dumb. Like I remember when 175 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 2: I was in my early twenties, my sister and I 176 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 2: were talking. We were like, Yo, that's crazy that mommy 177 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 2: and Daddy were like the age that we are now 178 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 2: with these kids. I couldn't imagine having the kids at 179 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 2: this particular age, and the girl at that point, I 180 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 2: had a lot of compassion because I was like, I've 181 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 2: been I've been unet these kids, Okay, Like I wasn't mentally, 182 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 2: I was not mentally prepared to have kids at that age. 183 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 2: So I could only imagine what my parents were going 184 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 2: through with the bills and managing kids and frustrations and 185 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 2: having their own shit going on, because we all have 186 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 2: our own stuff. So I think compassion is definitely key. 187 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 2: So thank you for bringing that one up. Diana. 188 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you hit it right there when you said, like, 189 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: think about put yourself in their shoes, right like when 190 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: I I had that exact point that you had, right 191 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: of putting myself in my mom's shoes at that age, 192 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: and thinking about the decisions that I was making at 193 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: that moment and recognizing that weight hold on the decisions 194 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: that I'm making only affect me, right, And you know, 195 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: if we're gonna be all the way real, I made 196 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: some piss poor, shitty ass decisions in my in my 197 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: early twenties, right, And so I can't even begin to 198 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: imagine what that's truly like to make those decisions when 199 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: you have young children that you were responsible for, right, 200 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: And so there is that level of compassion there, and I, 201 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: you know, and as we're continuing to keep it real, like, 202 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: I will note that there were points in my life 203 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: where I judge my mom right for decisions that she 204 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: made when we were growing up, and I had to 205 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 1: get to a space where I learned to let that go, right, 206 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: And like we talked about like developing that compassion and 207 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: extending her grace, you know, recognizing that she made the 208 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: best decision that she could with what she had, you know, 209 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: what she had going on in her life. And and 210 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: also part of how I was able to extend grace 211 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 1: and compassion was acknowledging that I am in a different, 212 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 1: more privileged space than she was at that time, at 213 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: that same age, and that the times are different, right, 214 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: that thing decisions that she made at that time were 215 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: based on the time period based on what was it 216 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 1: acceptable and appropriate for that time period and how I 217 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: and recognizing for me that I'm looking at her situation. 218 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 3: From a after perspective with a for instance, let's say 219 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 3: a twenty twenty because that's a year we're in now, 220 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 3: I'm looking at something from nineteen ninety one with a 221 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 3: twenty twenty one lens. 222 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: That's third that a lot happens and changes within the 223 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: times in thirty years. Go ahead, see, I see you. 224 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: I see you're wanting to You're wanting to say something 225 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: that part. 226 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 2: I just want to be very transparent. I have real 227 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 2: life going on right now, don by someone just trying 228 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 2: to FaceTime me and my baby's dancers crying. So y'all 229 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 2: don't mind me. That is the face you saw as 230 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 2: me looking like God, damn all this stuff going on. 231 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 2: But no, you had to nail on the head with 232 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 2: what you said about looking back in a twenty twenty 233 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 2: one lens when times are so different. I also think 234 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 2: about our accessibility to different tools and language and how 235 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 2: mental health now is being celebrated right like many of 236 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 2: us in our community, therapy wasn't something that we did 237 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 2: back in the day. Let's just be real, not saying 238 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 2: this is the right way to think, but many of 239 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: us in our households have heard, oh, therapy, that's for 240 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 2: white people, right, and we grew up with that stigma. 241 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: Now you know, doctor Donald's a therapist. You know I 242 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 2: have had many therapists, and I love to go to therapy. 243 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 2: And doctor dom goes to therapy too, which I think 244 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 2: is amazing because my therapists got go to therapy too, 245 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 2: and I think it's incredible for us to tap into 246 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 2: those tools. But like you said, we have our world 247 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 2: has changed drastically. I do want to state though, that 248 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 2: don't get it twisted. Having compassion is not absolving someone 249 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 2: of responsibility and accountability, right, so they can coexist. You 250 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 2: can have compassion for your parents for where they were 251 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 2: in their journey, and you can still have strong emotions 252 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 2: about what you experienced at their hands, and that's okay, right. 253 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:05,239 Speaker 2: I do believe that it's important to work through forgiveness, 254 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 2: though I think many of us have heard the saying 255 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 2: that you know, unforgiveness and walking around with bitterness is 256 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 2: like taking poison and expecting someone else to be impacted 257 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 2: by that. And so I found in my journey that 258 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 2: forgiveness is a constant process. It is a continuous process, 259 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 2: a lifelong process. Okay, down, there have been times where 260 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I forgave, I'm good, come on, let's 261 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 2: move on to the next thing, and then some other 262 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 2: stuff happens and I'm like, God, damn, way to forgive 263 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 2: the game? Right, Yes, it is a constant because people 264 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 2: are human and they make mistakes, and that's part of 265 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 2: the journey. 266 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: And part of that too is looking at what is happening, 267 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: because it may be that you're forgiving, you're constantly forgetting 268 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: a pattern of forgiving based on repeated behaviors, right, and 269 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: so then you know, so then our responsibility is to 270 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 1: think about our own boundaries and our own needs. And 271 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 1: that may mean that mom is not able to fulfill 272 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: the needs that we have, right, and so then that 273 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 1: would take us to our next point in our question 274 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: of the day, what do you do? How do you 275 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: fill the void when either like either you don't have 276 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: your mom, you know, because she wasn't ever there, or 277 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: maybe your mom recently died, or maybe your relationship you 278 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: decided that it's in your best interest to sever that 279 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: relationship with your mom, and or mom is present, but 280 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: she's not able to fill the need. Right, So there's 281 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: a mom also to the reasons why mom is why 282 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: your mother and needs might not be getting met. And 283 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: so you know, our question of the day really is 284 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: how do you get that need met when your mom 285 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: is not able to fulfill it? 286 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 2: That is a fantastic question, dom And I've been working 287 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 2: through that this past year, as you know, being pregnant 288 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 2: and not being in communication with my mom and trying 289 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 2: to protect my energy and figure out how I want 290 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 2: to move. And I've worked through this in therapy and 291 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 2: I think it's a constant process of trying to figure 292 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 2: out what ways can you feel that void? I think 293 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 2: for me, one was finding other mother energy and figuring 294 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 2: out we talked, we talked about this one of our 295 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 2: episodes too, what type of energy do I want? What 296 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,120 Speaker 2: does that mother energy look like in my life? And 297 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 2: trying to cultivate that so whether it's meditating, whether it's manifesting, 298 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 2: and really just bring that energy into our lives, you 299 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 2: know what I mean. And so for me that was 300 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 2: you know, so my therapists have been they fulfilled that 301 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 2: role in some ways as far as like providing that 302 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,479 Speaker 2: motherly energy. My doulah has been another person that's filled 303 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 2: some of that. It's like a community. It's like literally 304 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 2: a village that's catered to my inner child and who 305 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:33,360 Speaker 2: I am as a woman today. So it's friends, therapy, Doulah, 306 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 2: you dom You've definitely feel that in some ways where 307 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 2: we have our kind of our real real talk after 308 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 2: the show, and so I think it's just tapping into 309 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 2: those places. I know at one point I was I 310 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 2: felt kind of bad for myself, and I remember saying 311 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 2: to my therapist, I was like, you know what, I 312 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 2: mean this with all due respect and appreciation, but there's 313 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 2: part of me that's like really frustrated that I have 314 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 2: to pay for I'm paying, you know, to meet with 315 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 2: the coach, to meet with the shaman, and to meet 316 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 2: with my therapists and these amazing women. But I want 317 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 2: to just be able to talk to, you know, a 318 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 2: positive and helpful like mom figure without having to pay 319 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 2: for something. And she was like, you know what, that 320 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 2: is one perspective for sure, and there may need to 321 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 2: be some grieving that takes place there. But also the 322 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 2: other perspective is you have the means to be able 323 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 2: to bring in that energy because Oftentimes we may have 324 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 2: people in our lives, but they don't have the capacity. 325 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 2: They literally don't even have on their shelf what we 326 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 2: even desire. So you may be like, oh, I want 327 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 2: my mom to be here, Well, Mama don't she Mama 328 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 2: ain't done her work. Mama is still going through herself. 329 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 2: She doesn't have what you actually desire. And it may 330 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 2: actually be saving you from being re traumatized, because if 331 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 2: you did have a relationship and she was you know, 332 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 2: they're in that close to you, it may not be 333 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 2: good for you. Right. And so I was just like, Okay, 334 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 2: that's a that's a good way to think about it. 335 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: And here's another thing that I want to add into that, right. 336 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 1: So I think that's an excellent point of how do 337 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: you of being able. 338 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 3: To mother yourself? 339 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: Right? Because when we think about our evolution and development, right, 340 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: our eventually, if we think about evolution and life in general, right, 341 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: if we're blessed enough, we would get to a space 342 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: where we are now the maternal mother figure, the matriarch 343 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: of our family. 344 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 3: Right. 345 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: And so at that point, like I think about my grandmother, right, 346 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: my grandmother is eighty nine and she is the matriarch 347 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 1: of our family, and so I think about, like, what 348 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: is that like for her to mother everyone else? And 349 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: she's not necessarily there's no one else older than her 350 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: to provide mothering for her, right, So as time goes on, 351 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 1: we do get to a space where we have to 352 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: wan mother ourselves, but then a lot of our energy 353 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 1: would go into mothering others. 354 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 2: Yes, that is so beautiful, Dom and I love that 355 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 2: you brought that point up. I see Princess has requested 356 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 2: to speak. So, Princess, we'd love to invite you in. 357 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 2: Feel free to share any feedback, your question or what's 358 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 2: coming up for you as we have this conversation, lady. 359 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 2: So we'll let you chat for a couple of minutes 360 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 2: and then we'll go ahead and resume our conversation. 361 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 4: Hey, lady, it's Terry here. Okay, So I'm interrupting the 362 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 4: conversation quickly because we had some serious technical difficulties on 363 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 4: the day that we recorded this episode. Now, out of 364 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 4: all the days that this would happen, this was a 365 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 4: particular day where we had an amazing visitor in our 366 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 4: green room conversation. She named Princess, and Princess was brave 367 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 4: and bold enough to share her story about. 368 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 2: Her and her mom. 369 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 4: It was so inspiring, it was so real. 370 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 2: And a raw and we were like, oh my gosh, 371 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 2: we got to add this into the episode. Of course, 372 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 2: we went back and the recording did not play, So 373 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,719 Speaker 2: what you're listening to right now is our backup file. However, 374 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 2: it only captured me and Dom's voice. So basically, Princess 375 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 2: shared her story about her mom and her mom passed 376 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,479 Speaker 2: away and they had a rough relationship when she was alive. 377 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 2: Princess said that her mom, basically, I want to say, 378 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 2: chose men in relationships over her children, and so she 379 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 2: wasn't in a very good space with her mom, and 380 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 2: she talked about how she was really struggling with I 381 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 2: guess having compassion for her mom because she really wanted 382 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 2: to hold her mom accountable. She didn't understand how her 383 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 2: mom could have these children and have the resources to 384 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 2: take care of them but choose not to. So it's 385 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,239 Speaker 2: kind of the gist of what Princess Princess Girl, If 386 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 2: you're listening, technology is not our friend this day, but 387 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,479 Speaker 2: we again want to thank you so much for sharing 388 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 2: and AI Lady, hopefully that gives you enough context. So 389 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 2: we're going to hop back into the live conversation, but 390 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 2: we just wanted to let you know what went down 391 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 2: so that you wouldn't be confused. 392 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: So, Princess, So Princess, Yes, I you know, in the 393 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: interest of time, I want to be mindful of everything 394 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: that you're sharing and then also mindful of our time 395 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: limit for this show. And so I want to extend 396 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 1: a lot of grace and compassion to you for being 397 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: willing to speak up and share such a vulnerable story 398 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: with us. And I also want to encourage you to 399 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: make sure that you are getting me support that you 400 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 1: need and so and also thinking about just for all 401 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: of us in general, I want us to remember that 402 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 1: who we are ourselves, ourself is what's most important, right 403 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 1: and recognizing that as we navigate difficult situations, particularly with 404 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: our moms. You know, I will speak for Terry and 405 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: say that we want to be clear that while we 406 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 1: strive to be compassionate individuals, there are certain situations where 407 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: we know compassion is not going to be extended and 408 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: that is okay. And we also acknowledge that everyone has 409 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 1: their own process for healing, and we hope that any 410 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: of you who are listening that continue to have complex 411 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: relationships with your mom will reach out and get the 412 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: support that you need to analogy those situations. Is there 413 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: anything that you want to add before we wrap up? 414 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 2: I just wanted to thank Princess again for sharing because 415 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 2: that was definitely There are many layers to that story, 416 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 2: and I think there are so many women that resonate 417 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 2: with that, and I wish we had time to dive 418 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 2: in deeper. I'm like, when we have our virtual conference process, 419 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 2: you're going to have to come through because we need 420 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 2: to have a deep dive into these conversations because it 421 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 2: happens so much many of us. I know that as 422 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 2: you listen, you probably have friends who've experienced that, right, 423 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 2: And I'm with you in regards to what you said 424 00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 2: about having compassion, but also you know, not excusing the behavior. 425 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 2: You know, So I think there are so many layers. 426 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 2: I think that what's been most helpful for me is 427 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 2: realizing that, you know, giving myself grace and realizing that 428 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 2: this is in most cases a lifelong process. I think 429 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 2: sometimes you know people I've had friends that think that 430 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 2: you know, if something, you know, if their parents were 431 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 2: not to be here, it would make things easier, but 432 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 2: we're really those are our parents and we have those 433 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 2: experiences for life, and I think that we will potentially 434 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 2: be working through this stuff for life, right yes, And 435 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 2: so I just want to thank you again, Princess for sharing. 436 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 2: And I hope that you as you listen to this episode, Lady, 437 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,239 Speaker 2: you tap into our other episodes because we have more 438 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 2: episodes that we have a lot of episodes about mommy issues, 439 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 2: daddy issues, narcissistic parents where we've had experts come in 440 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 2: and they share their feedback and healing strategies on how 441 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 2: we can move past and move through these situations. 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