1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: day M paranormal podcast network. Now get ready for another 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: episode of Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. The 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: thoughts and opinions expressed by the host our thoughts and 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: opinions only, and do not necessarily reflect those of I 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: Heart Media, I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast a out, 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: employees of premier networks or their sponsors and associates. You 8 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: are encouraged to do the proper amount of research yourself, 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: depending on the subject matter and your needs. Hi. I'm 10 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: Sandra Champlain. For almost twenty five years, I've been on 11 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 1: a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 12 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,279 Speaker 1: On each episode will discuss the reasons we now know 13 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: that our loved ones have survived physical death, and so 14 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Today, I 15 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: want to talk more about near death experiences. I've always 16 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: been a skeptic, but for as many people who have 17 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: died and come back, they have very very unique stories, 18 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: but there are some common similarities. Today, I want to 19 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 1: introduce you to the number one New York Times best 20 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: selling author of To Heaven and Back, which is Dr 21 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: Mary Neil, and she's got an incredible story. She's a 22 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: spine surgeon and she couldn't breathe for about fifteen minutes 23 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: while upside down in a kayak on a trip to 24 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: South America. Surprisingly, she survived with no brain injury, yet 25 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: plenty of injuries to her physical body. However, her near 26 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: death experience, her life review, and all the things she 27 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: saw in the hereafter are incredibly mind blowing. Dr Mary Neil, 28 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: A warm, warm, welcome to Shades of the Afterlife, and 29 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you for being our guest today. 30 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. You're most welcome. If you 31 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: don't mind if you could tell us a little bit 32 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: about yourself and your story, and of course the big 33 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: question why you believe in the afterlife? Sure well, I 34 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: think it's funny that you started out the introduction to 35 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: your show talking about skeptics, because I would certainly have 36 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: put myself in that category prior to my own experiences. 37 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: I am an orthopedic spine surgeon, and as such have 38 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: spent many many years really being trained to be a skeptic. 39 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: I am a scientist, and although prior to my experience, 40 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: I would have said that I believed in God, and 41 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: I certainly hoped that it was all true, that there 42 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: really was life after death, that there was something more. 43 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: And I am, like many physicians, really went through my 44 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: own radical training and found that my belief that there 45 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: must be something more strengthened. Many people go through medical 46 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: school and their training and really subscribe to what I 47 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: think is really its own religion, which is really this 48 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: religion of the intellect that science supersedes everything else and 49 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: every other experience. But for me, I experienced it a 50 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 1: little bit differently, because I found that as I went 51 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: through my training, I became more and more convinced that 52 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: the intricacies of not only the human body, but the 53 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: interactions of humans nature, all of the ecosystems was so 54 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: incredibly finally tuned and intricate that I didn't believe that 55 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: it could have come about just as result of mere chance. 56 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: So before my accident, I would have said that I 57 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: didn't think there was something more. I certainly hoped there 58 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: was something more, And I had been around death plenty 59 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: of times during my training and my practice. But I 60 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: also have to say that I never really thought about 61 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: death personally in terms of how what the experience would 62 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: be like or how it would really happen. And perhaps 63 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 1: no one really thinks about it in terms of their 64 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: own mortality, but I certainly didn't, and I hadn't given 65 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: it that much thought until in nine and in my 66 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: husband and I went to Chile in South America for 67 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: a kayaking trip. And before you think that I was 68 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: crazy to begin with, I will tell you that we 69 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: were very experienced kayakers, avid kayakers. We've kayak white water 70 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: across the country and that was really one of our passions. 71 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: And friends of ours run a raft and kayak company, 72 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: and our professionals this is what they do, and during 73 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: the winters they live in Chile and they guide American 74 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: clients down the rivers, and they've done that for many, 75 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: many years, and we decided to spend a week there 76 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: kayaking with them, which we did, and we had a 77 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: terrific time doing it. And at the time we had 78 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: four young children. Uh my youngest son was barely a 79 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: year old, but we felt that they were old enough 80 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: for us to leave the country, and so we did. 81 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: We went down, we had a great time, and on 82 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: our final day of kayaking, we had decided to paddle 83 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: a section of river that's well known for its waterfalls, 84 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: and these are drops of maybe fift something like that, 85 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: which again may sound crazy, uh to someone who doesn't kayak, 86 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: but those drops are not unreasonable for experienced kayakers. It's 87 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: not something like Niagara Falls. It's it's something that you know, 88 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: we're not going over in a barrel. I mean, this 89 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: is something that you you know, you trained to do. 90 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: You go over the in the kayak, right, and it's 91 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: something exhilarating and challenging, but it's not totally unreasonable. It's 92 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: been done before. And on that final day, my husband 93 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: actually woke up with back pain, which is something he'd 94 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: never had before since but on that day he had 95 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: back pain, and so he actually did not go on 96 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: the river with me. I went on the river with 97 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: again these friends of ours who were professionals, and then 98 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: there were a couple of other people and we went 99 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:38,799 Speaker 1: over the first couple of drops and that was fine. 100 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: We came to the first major drop and had decided 101 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: to run a smaller shoot, smaller part of the river, 102 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: a little bit left slow because it was still early 103 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: in the day and we're kind of getting going, and 104 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: this river was such that there was tremendous slow and 105 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: Once you were in the current, you were committed. It's 106 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: not like you could turn around paddle up stream. This 107 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: is a big river. And I went u into the 108 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: current started for the smaller shoot, and a different kayaker 109 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: head preceded me and had bobbled the entrance a bit, 110 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: and her boat became lodged sideways across the two rocks 111 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: at the beginning of this drop, and so her boat 112 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: was pinned, and she had been able to pull her 113 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: spray skirt off that neoprene fabric stretches from a kayaker's 114 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: waist to the boat to keep the water out. She 115 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: had pulled her sprace skirt off and pushed herself out. 116 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: She had swam downstream, but her boat was still there 117 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: blocking the entrance to this drop, And so I was 118 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: forced to veer over and go over the main waterfall. 119 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: And as I went over that, I could see the bottom, 120 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: and I could see tremendous flow and tremendous turbulence, and 121 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: really couldn't see a clean outflow. And and I have 122 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: to say I wasn't psyched. I looked at the bottom, 123 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: and what I assumed would happen was that I would 124 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: hit the bottom, be flipped upside down, not be able 125 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: to right myself, and I assumed that I would again 126 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: pull my spray skirt off, pushed myself out of the boat, 127 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: be tumbled around a bit before I was spit out downstream. 128 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: And that is an experience that is never pleasant, but 129 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 1: it is something that is part of kayaking. It would 130 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: not have been the first time that had ever happened 131 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 1: to me, and although one always helps, it's last time, 132 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, that's just part of kayaking. And 133 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: so that's what I assumed. But instead I rocketed down 134 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: the waterfall and the front end of my boat became 135 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: pinned or stuck in the rocks and underwater features, and 136 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: so I was still upright in my boat, but pinned, 137 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: and the volume of the water immediately and completely submerged 138 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: me and the boat, and the force of the water 139 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: and the weight of the water then pressed my you know, 140 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: my chest, the upper part of my body to the 141 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: front deck of the boat was such a great force 142 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: that I couldn't move at all. And on a spine surgeon, 143 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: I am a very calm, even tempered sort of a person. 144 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: I am involved in high stress, emergency type situations, and 145 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 1: so I've often been asked, what, gee, didn't you panic, 146 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: and the answers no. I mean, I've been underwater before 147 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: in a kayak, and I'm very calm person, and so 148 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: I immediately set about doing those things that would either 149 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: free me from the boat or free the boat. And 150 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: I did everything I could think of, and it became 151 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: clear very quickly that nothing I was doing was making 152 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 1: any difference at all. I couldn't move my arms half 153 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: of an inch alone pull them back enough to pull 154 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: the space girt off of my boat. I'm also a 155 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: very pragmatic person, very concrete thinking kind of a person, 156 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: and I knew how far from shure I was. I 157 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: knew that I was in dire straits. I've seen people 158 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: guy in the river before, and I knew that the 159 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: likelihood of anyone coming and saving me was slimit best. 160 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: And so I made a decision at that point in 161 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: time that I believe was the first thing that changed 162 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: the course of my life. And I asked at that 163 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: point in time that God's will be done. And I 164 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: grew up going to church. I mean, I took my 165 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: own kids to church. I've said the Lord's prayer, so 166 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: I don't know hundreds of consoless of times. And of 167 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: course in that prayer one asks for God's will to 168 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: be done. But I think I'm a very typical sort 169 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: of a person, and I said that prayer, and I, I, 170 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: like most people, want God's will to be done as 171 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: long as it's you know, sort of in line with 172 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: what you and and on my timetable, because I was 173 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: a very self confident, self reliant person, and I had 174 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: a pretty good handle on my life. But at that 175 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: moment in time, I truly asked only that God's will 176 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: be done, whatever that meant. And the moment I asked that, 177 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: I was immediately overcome with a very physical sensation of 178 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: being held and comforted and reassured that everything was fine, 179 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: regardless of whether I lived or died. My husband would 180 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: be fine, my kids would be fine. Everything was fine. 181 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: And it was that word fine, not happy, wonderful, great, 182 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: but fine. It was the first of many profound aspects 183 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: of this experience because I knew that it was Christ 184 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 1: who was holding me, and I knew that not only 185 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 1: was it Christ holding me, but that Christ would be 186 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: holding anyone who asked it wasn't me. It wasn't that 187 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: I was some special person, and as I was still underwater. 188 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: We went through a bit of a life review, and 189 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: it wasn't a life review like anything I would have imagined. 190 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: If I had thought about it, I probably would have 191 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: imagined the Hollywood version. 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You're listening to the new I 230 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 231 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: Now let's get back to Shades of the Afterlife with 232 00:14:48,760 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: Sandra Champagne. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm 233 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: Sander Champlain, and we are with Dr Mary Neil, who's 234 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: explaining to us her near death experience. Mary, you were 235 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: just saying that the life review was not like in 236 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: Hollywood pictures. What was it like? It was profound in 237 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: that we did look at events in my life that 238 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: would have otherwise been considered bad or sad, or terrible 239 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: or in all sorts of things like that, and then 240 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: I was given this incredible privilege of seeing the ripple 241 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: effects of those events and seeing those the impact that 242 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: those events had not just three or four or five 243 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: times removed, but five times removed. And it was profound 244 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: because it forever change my understanding of events, how it 245 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: affects us, how it affects our world, or our impression 246 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: of things. But we never really have the opportunity to 247 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: see the real outcome of an event. And the fact 248 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: is there really is beauty that comes out of every 249 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: single event, whether we as little people can appreciate it. 250 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: It or not. And so that was pretty remarkable. And 251 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: and I was still my you know, my cynical self, 252 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: and my little thought balloon off to the side. Was 253 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: was sort of watching all this, thinking, wow, this is 254 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: really strange. I know that I've been underwater too long 255 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: to be alive, but I felt more alive than I've 256 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: ever felt. And here I was having this incredible experience 257 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: with Christ and I was going, oh, this is this 258 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: is a little strange. And I kept doing self assessment 259 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: exams trying to figure out if I was I don't 260 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: know what, hallucinating or something, but I said, no, no, 261 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: I'm I'm still with it. I could feel the water, 262 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: I could feel the current working on my body. I 263 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: could feel my body being sucked out of the boat. 264 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: I could feel all my knees bending back on themselves, 265 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: and you know, I'm, as I said, I'm an orthoptic surgeon. 266 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 1: I could feel the bones breaking, and I remember thinking 267 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: that sounds you know, that feels like a legment, that 268 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: that's not good. But at the same time, and now, 269 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: did you see Mary, did you see Jesus? Or do 270 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: you just like have this feeling and just you just 271 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: at that point in time, it was a physical sensation. 272 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: I wasn't looking at him, and at that point in time, 273 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 1: it was as though you're holding a small baby and 274 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: you're pouring all of your love into that baby. But 275 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: in that situation, I was the baby. I was just 276 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: this receptacle of this incredible love, absolute pure love. And 277 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: then as my body came out of the boat, my 278 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: spirit separated from my body and I rose up and 279 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 1: out of the river, and I was immediately greeted by 280 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: a group of some things, people, beings, angels. I'm never 281 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: really quite sure what to call them, because those names 282 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: mean different things to different people, like something, yeah, something. 283 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: But they were so overjoyed to welcome me and greet 284 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: me and guide me, and I knew that they were 285 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: of God. I knew that they were from God. I 286 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 1: knew that I had known them as long as I 287 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: had existed. And there was a shift in I'm not 288 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: sure what the right word is, but time dimension something 289 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: so that I could be with them and being led 290 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: by them, and at the same time could look back 291 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 1: at the river and watch one of the guys pull 292 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: my body to the shore. And it was really interesting 293 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: to quite the right word. But at the time I 294 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: was really struck by a couple of things, one of 295 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: which was surprised that, Wow, I guess I really am dead, 296 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: and that was that was surprising to me. But then 297 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: I was also struck by this absolute sense of being home, 298 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: of being where I really belonged, as though I've been 299 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: on this long journey to Earth and now I was 300 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: home and I was gonna be able to sleep in 301 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: my own bed. Ah, And we all know what that 302 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: feeling exactly. It was absolutely wonderful. And I was a 303 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: little bit saddened by the realization that when I looked 304 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: back at my body, I recognized that that was my body, 305 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: that it represented me, my life on Earth, my family, 306 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: and I recognized, keeping in mind that I've been reassured 307 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: that they would be fine, I recognized that I had 308 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: absolutely no intention of returning. And you know, I felt 309 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: a little guilty, not at the time, but a little 310 00:19:55,440 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: guilty after that. But nonetheless, um, I hadn't planned on returning, 311 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: And and these spirits then took me down this incredibly 312 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 1: beautiful pathway, and and beauty, of course is different for 313 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: each person, but it was a pathway that spoke to me. 314 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: And I absolutely believe that God that only sends his 315 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,719 Speaker 1: most gentle messengers to collect this, but really speaks to 316 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: us in the way that we will each understand. And 317 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 1: for me that involves color and flowers and aromas like 318 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: the aromas of flowers and and other people don't respond 319 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: to that, but that's what really moves my soul. And 320 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 1: and this path was exploding with color of an intensity 321 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: that doesn't exist here on Earth, of colors that don't 322 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: even exist, and it was as though it was the 323 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: essence of the color, and so I could experience each 324 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: color all at the same time, without you know, without 325 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: mixing and making brown. It was the essence of it all. 326 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: And the flowers and the aromas were incredibly intense, and 327 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: everything was absolutely imbued with this pure, absolute love of God, 328 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: I mean just of love that again we for whatever reason, 329 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,959 Speaker 1: are just not able to experience here. And they were 330 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: taking me towards this great sort of domed hall of 331 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: sorts that I knew was basically the point off no return, 332 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: and I could highly wait to get there, and I 333 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: wanted to run as fast as I could, and one 334 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: of the guys who was doing CPR kept calling me back, 335 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: and then I would have to go back and I'd 336 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: lie down and take a breath, and then I'd rejoin, uh, 337 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: these spirits that we're taking me, And that cycle went 338 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 1: on a number of times, and it was interesting later 339 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: on to talk to this guy and compare stories. Realized 340 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: that we were each equally frustrated with the other for 341 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: very different reasons. But nonetheless, I kept going down this 342 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: pathway and eventually got to this threshold and I could 343 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: see inside and see a lot of other beings angels 344 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: running around, very busy. But when I was on this threshold, 345 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: it was a really another very profound time for me 346 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: because all I had to do was think about something 347 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: and I had to understanding. It was as though I 348 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: understood everything. I understood how everything worked, I understood everything 349 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: about the universe. And one of the things that was 350 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: really profound for me personally was coming to an understanding 351 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: of how it can be true that God knows each 352 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: and every one of us and loves each and every 353 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: one of us as though we're the only ones, and 354 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: has a plan for each and every one of our lives. 355 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: That's one of hope, because that is something that was 356 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: always troubling to me, because, as I said, I'm a 357 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: pragmatic person. There are billions of us on the planet. 358 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: You know, we have so much trouble knowing or loving 359 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 1: the person down the street that, you know, it doesn't 360 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: look like us, doesn't do what we like to do, 361 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 1: doesn't agree with us. I mean, we have so much 362 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: trouble with that. How could God really know and love 363 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 1: each and every one of us and we don't love ourselves? Right? Well, exactly, 364 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: you know what, that's exactly right. I've said many times 365 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: that you know, the Bible tells us that nothing can 366 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: come between us and God's love, but I would disagree 367 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: we come between it. We're exactly right worthy of that love. Yeah, 368 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: but I and I can't explain how it works, but 369 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: I can assure you that not only are those promises true, 370 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: but all of the promises are true. So that was great, 371 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: and I thought, okay, well, you know, let's keep this 372 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: show on the right, let's go. And then at a 373 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: certain point I was told that it wasn't my time, 374 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: that I had more work to do on Earth than 375 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: I had to go back to my body, and so 376 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: I did what I think any reasonable person would do 377 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 1: and said, no, I'm I'm good, Everything's okay. I'm staying 378 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: and I'm going back, and uh, obviously I'm not a 379 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: very good debater because I did not win that argument. 380 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: And I am back. So then they took me back 381 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: down this pathway and then I was reunited with my body. 382 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: And at that point it, first of all, I was 383 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: in an absolute state of shock that I had been 384 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 1: what my kids would say was kicked out. I mean, 385 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: I just couldn't believe that I was back on earth. 386 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: And it was a number of months before I came 387 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: to grips with that. But I was reunited with my 388 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 1: body with a number of very serious injuries. I mean, 389 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 1: I my legs had multiple broken bones, ripped ligaments. I 390 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 1: developed a severe case of this a r d S 391 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 1: or this pulmary problem. And keep in mind I was 392 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere, so it required a whole 393 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: series of miracles to get me back to Wyoming, which 394 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: is where I had decided I was going to go 395 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: for my medical care. Even though it's I mean when 396 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: I even when I looked back on it, none of 397 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: this part of the story makes sense. But there was 398 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: really no one to tell me that I couldn't do that, 399 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: no one along the way, because I was perceived as 400 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,719 Speaker 1: the kind of the medical expert, so that part is crazy. 401 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: But I then I ended up being back, and then 402 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: I see you for a while. And while I was 403 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: in the intensive care unity, I had a couple more 404 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: out of body experiences, but another experience, when I believe 405 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: I was in heaven, I was in this just beautiful field. 406 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: And again it was the same experience in terms of 407 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:20,719 Speaker 1: the most intense beauty and color and emotion and pure 408 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: love and and I at that point, it took me 409 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,479 Speaker 1: a long time to say this out loud to anyone, 410 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: But I had another conversation with Christ, and it took 411 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: me a long time to talk about it because it 412 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: was so incredibly personal and it seemed so outrageous at 413 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: the same time, even though the reality of Christ we 414 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 1: all talk about, oh yeah, you know, we have a 415 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: personal relationship, but I don't think many of us really 416 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: believe it, And so when it's true, then you think, oh, wow, 417 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 1: this is I can't tell anyone about this, No, I 418 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: can certainly understand that we have to take a little 419 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: break here, But when we come act Mary, I'd love 420 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: to hear more about this conversation with Jesus. 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I'm Sandra Champlain and we are 457 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: with Dr Mary Neil. Mary, you were just about to 458 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: tell us about a conversation you had with Jesus and 459 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: where were you? I was in this incredibly beautiful sun 460 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: drenched field and again it's a beauty that speaks to 461 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: me and other people who have had near debt experiences 462 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: describe incredible beauty. I'll be a different duty because they 463 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: appreciate things differently. And at that time we talked more 464 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: about some of the work I had to do on Earth, 465 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: some of which had to do with the future death 466 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: of my oldest son, and in talking about that, you know, 467 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: we sort of went back and again talked about what 468 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: I had been shown when I was still underwater with 469 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: regard to the beauty that comes out of every event, 470 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: regardless of how we as individuals see it, perceive it, 471 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: or experience it. So you heard of your son's future death. 472 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying? Yes? And did your say 473 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: I was told that before I was sent back to 474 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: my body, and then during the subsequent out of my 475 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: experience visit to Heaven. Yes, we talked more about it, 476 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: so I knew that that I didn't know the time 477 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: and date, but I didn't know that that was likely 478 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: in the future of The first thing I did was 479 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: asked the nurses what medications I was receiving, because of 480 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: course I wanted more whatever it was, and as it 481 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: turns out, though other than antibiotics, I was not receiving 482 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: any narcotics or hallucinogenics. The fact is I didn't have 483 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: pain for almost two weeks, despite having multiple multiple injuries, 484 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: and I had the sense of being neither here nor there. 485 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: I sort of felt otherworldly. And then after this second 486 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: out of body experience, I was back in I See You, 487 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: and there were some remarkable things that happened within the 488 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: I See You. But then at that point, this veil 489 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: began reforming and I felt more and more like it 490 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: was physically here in this earth. And then I did 491 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: have pain, and then I had, you know, multiple surgeries 492 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: and many months of rehab. And during those many months afterwards, 493 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: I obviously spent all day every day thinking about my 494 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: experiences and thinking about one of the things I had 495 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: been told, which was really this mandate to share my 496 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: experiences with other people and in doing so help other 497 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: people enter into a deeper relationship with God and helped 498 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: them make this transformation from faith or hope that the 499 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: promises of God are true to an absolute trust, and 500 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: in doing so entirely changed their lives. That's beautiful, and 501 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: not having a near death experience to believe that, that's 502 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: exactly huge. So I spent many months trying to figure 503 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: out what I thought about it, because before I could 504 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: share it with anyone, I had to decide whether I 505 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: thought it was just a you know, a dream or 506 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: hallucination or a chemical reaction of a dying brain. And 507 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: so I spent many, many months trying to corroborate the 508 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: details that could be corroborated, listening to the stories of 509 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: people had been involved researching what happens to a dying 510 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: brain and the whole thing, And after many months, my 511 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: conclusion absolutely was that it was real. I mean, the 512 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: people who resuscitated me are involved in this sort of 513 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: thing not infrequently, this is part of what they do, 514 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: and they are very clear in the timeframe, and they 515 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: believe that I was without oxygen for thirty minutes, and 516 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: within that thirty minutes there were probably they think a 517 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: total of fifteen minutes, where first of all, they there 518 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: were five to seven minutes when they didn't know I 519 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: was missing. Because usually when there's a problem on the river, 520 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: you're either missing the kayaker or missing the boat, but 521 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: not both. So it took them a while to figure 522 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: out that I was missing. And then it took them 523 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: a while because of the particulars of this river and 524 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: this waterfall. It took a while to figure out where 525 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: I must be, and when they finally figured out where 526 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,240 Speaker 1: the boat and I must be, they started to watch 527 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: because time is obviously very important when it becomes when 528 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 1: it comes to deciding whether you're trying to rescue someone 529 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: or just recover the body. And from that time to 530 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 1: the time they began CPR not completed, it was fifteen 531 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: minutes on the watch, and so I tend to focus 532 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: on fifteen minutes because that's the shortest objective period of 533 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: time without oxygen. But even at fifteen minutes, it's too long. 534 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: It's too long to hope to survive without mitigating factors 535 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: like water temperature or things like that. And more importantly, 536 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: it's definitely too long to survive without severe brain damage. 537 00:34:55,000 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 1: And although my kids would tend to disagree, um, the 538 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: fact is, you know, I didn't suffer brain damage, and 539 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: so in the end I had to conclude that it 540 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: was and inclusion that not only I can come to, 541 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: but I think that any person who puts out the 542 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: time and effort, because it really does take time and 543 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: effort to collect the data, to look with an open 544 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: mind I believe anyone who actually looks will find evidence 545 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 1: of God's presence in their own lives, let alone in 546 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 1: other people's lives, and and in the end will come 547 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 1: to the same conclusion that there are many experiences, not 548 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: just experiences like mine, but many experiences in their own 549 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: lives that can only be explained by God's presence. And 550 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: once you get to a point where you accept that 551 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 1: sort of making a conscious of decision that yes, I 552 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: have seen God's presence in my own life and I 553 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,399 Speaker 1: believe that to be true, I think that's a game 554 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 1: changer for people because it's at that point that you 555 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,840 Speaker 1: accept all of the promises, and one of those promises 556 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: is that there is life after death. And if you truly, 557 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: truly accept that there is life after death, it changes 558 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 1: the way you experience every moment of every day. It 559 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: changes your fear because so many people are so afraid 560 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,399 Speaker 1: of dying that they never live. And if you can 561 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: take that fear away, if you can take that off 562 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 1: the table, and if you can say, yes, I know 563 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:48,400 Speaker 1: there is life after death, then it changes everything you 564 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 1: experience because you don't need to have fear. You don't 565 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,359 Speaker 1: need to have fear of life because life is a journey, 566 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: and truly beauty comes out of every event. It changes 567 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: the way a Certainly I experienced every event that changes 568 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: the way I experienced not only my son's death, which 569 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: did That's what I was afraid to ask, And did 570 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 1: he in fact pass away? He did. He died ten 571 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: years later, and there were reasons for me to think 572 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: that the plan for his life had changed, but it didn't. 573 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 1: And I will tell you that after his death, I 574 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 1: love this boy. I loved him intensely. I liked him. 575 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: I would never say that I was happy. Happiness and 576 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 1: joy are very, very different. I was as devastated as 577 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 1: a parent can be, but even on my most sad day, 578 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: I would still say with absolute honesty that I was 579 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: filled with joy because I had an absolute trust that 580 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,760 Speaker 1: my son's death was part of God's plan for his life, 581 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 1: that credibly beautiful things would come out of his life 582 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 1: and his death, regardless of whether I, as an in 583 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: visual is going to have the privilege of seeing those effects. 584 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I actually have had the privilege of seeing 585 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: many of them, but I have an absolute trust that 586 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: there would be beautiful things that came of it. And 587 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 1: I also know that it's just part of the deal. 588 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I'll see him again, He'll you know he's around. 589 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,879 Speaker 1: If you truly accept that there's life after death, then 590 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 1: you realize that our life here is just this little 591 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 1: blink of time. It's really very short. We don't have 592 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,839 Speaker 1: much time to get our work done, a good book 593 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,400 Speaker 1: title for your next book. Death is part of the deal. 594 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,799 Speaker 1: Can you just said those words, and it's like, it is, 595 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 1: it is and um, and we shouldn't be afraid of it. 596 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: I really um. I I find it very interesting because 597 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: people many times have asked me what my colleagues think, 598 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 1: what other physicians think, and and I say all the 599 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 1: time that if you lined up a hundred doctors and 600 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 1: asked them if they believe in life after death, probably 601 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 1: ninety seven of them would say I don't think so. 602 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: But if you lined up a hundred nurses, of them 603 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 1: would say absolutely. Because the nurses are the ones who 604 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: are at the bedside during stressful situations. They're the ones 605 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,360 Speaker 1: who are at the bedside during that end of life period. 606 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,839 Speaker 1: So they are the ones that hear the stories at 607 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 1: some point. If you hear the same story a hundred 608 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:49,360 Speaker 1: times or a thousand times, you have to accept that 609 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 1: there's some truth. You know, if someone told you that 610 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 1: Johnny's Burgers down the street has the best hamburger on 611 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,760 Speaker 1: the planet, you'd sort of go okay. If a hundred 612 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 1: people told you that, you would say, you know what, 613 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 1: I'm going to go get one of those. Those must 614 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: be incredible. A million people have told you that you 615 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,239 Speaker 1: wouldn't bother even getting a hamburger there because you would 616 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 1: know it to be true. That I mean, they're not 617 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:20,359 Speaker 1: experiences are very common. Most people don't talk about them. 618 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 1: But I personally am just one individual, and I have 619 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 1: probably listened to at least four people tell me their stories. 620 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: And probably they're not all extensive, they're not all dramatic. 621 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 1: They're not going to tell people because they think people 622 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,800 Speaker 1: aren't going to believe them, or they told one person 623 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 1: and they were shot down. 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I 676 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 1: was living and working in Hong Kong, and one day 677 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,439 Speaker 1: I found a lump on this side of my neck. 678 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 1: And when I went to the doctor and they did 679 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:25,279 Speaker 1: a biopsy, they discovered that it was lymphoma, which is 680 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,600 Speaker 1: a form of lymphatic cancer. I was very, very shocked 681 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 1: and surprised. So over a period of four years, I 682 00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:39,640 Speaker 1: developed so much fear of this cancer, and I was 683 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,600 Speaker 1: following everything I was researching about it, and I lived 684 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,880 Speaker 1: my life. I would started to live my life just 685 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 1: trying to get rid of this cancer that was in 686 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,600 Speaker 1: my body. But I kept getting worse and weaker and weaker. 687 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,399 Speaker 1: And at that point, the doctors said that it's too 688 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,319 Speaker 1: late even for anything. Your body is already too far gone. 689 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,839 Speaker 1: You're already dying. You only have about three months to live. 690 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,960 Speaker 1: I kept wishing that this was a bad dream. My 691 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:14,840 Speaker 1: body was not absorbing any nutrition. I weighed eighty five pounds. 692 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:19,080 Speaker 1: I looked like a skeleton. My lungs were filled with fluid. 693 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,759 Speaker 1: The tumors now in my body were all over my 694 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:28,360 Speaker 1: lymphatic system. They were the size of golf balls. And 695 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,120 Speaker 1: by February the first, two thousand and six, I went 696 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:36,520 Speaker 1: into a coma. The nurse gave me a big dose 697 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,320 Speaker 1: of morphine because I hadn't been able to sleep or 698 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,000 Speaker 1: anything for many days because of the fluid in my lungs, 699 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 1: and I was in so much pain and so much discomfort. 700 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,040 Speaker 1: And then on February the second, in the morning, I 701 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:55,120 Speaker 1: didn't wake up. So it was at that point that 702 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,000 Speaker 1: the doctors told my family that these were my final hours, 703 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,040 Speaker 1: and that my organs were now shutting down and I 704 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:06,680 Speaker 1: was going through the dying process. But what everybody around 705 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,960 Speaker 1: me didn't know was that I had left my body 706 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:17,000 Speaker 1: and I felt amazing. I could see and feel and 707 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,880 Speaker 1: hear everything that was happening all around me. But I 708 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:25,560 Speaker 1: felt light and free, and all the pain was gone, 709 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,960 Speaker 1: and all the fear was gone. Something that I call 710 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,120 Speaker 1: unconditional love, you know, just I never felt anything like 711 00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,520 Speaker 1: that in my physical life. Before, and I was aware 712 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,920 Speaker 1: of my body lying there in that hospital bed, but 713 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:45,000 Speaker 1: my body looked so small and helpless and lifeless compared 714 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,719 Speaker 1: to how I was feeling now, And I wanted my 715 00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,719 Speaker 1: family to know that I'm fine. In fact, I'm better 716 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,200 Speaker 1: than fine. I feel fantastic, but there was no way 717 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,120 Speaker 1: for me to communicate with them. I was able to 718 00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,520 Speaker 1: see and hear everything the doctors would doing, like they 719 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,239 Speaker 1: were taking fluid out of my lungs, and it was 720 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,520 Speaker 1: very different from having physical eyes. It was more like 721 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:13,040 Speaker 1: I had three hundred and sixty degree peripheral vision. I 722 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,560 Speaker 1: could be aware of things that were happening behind, on 723 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:21,080 Speaker 1: the sides, above, below, everywhere, and beyond the walls. I 724 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:25,960 Speaker 1: was seeing and hearing conversations take place beyond the hospital 725 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:30,160 Speaker 1: room in My husband was talking to the doctor outside 726 00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,480 Speaker 1: about forty feet away, outside the room that I was in, 727 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,040 Speaker 1: and I was able to see and hear everything. I 728 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,600 Speaker 1: could even see and be aware that my brother, who 729 00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,719 Speaker 1: was living in a different country, he was living in 730 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,480 Speaker 1: India at the time. I was able to see that 731 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,680 Speaker 1: he was rushing to get on a plane to come 732 00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,600 Speaker 1: and reach me because he wanted to get to me 733 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,319 Speaker 1: before I died. I remember even feeling gosh, I better 734 00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,040 Speaker 1: not die until he gets here. To me, it felt 735 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,399 Speaker 1: very very real. In fact, it felt more real than 736 00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:07,200 Speaker 1: this physical reality. It was as if my awareness was 737 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,240 Speaker 1: expanding more and more, like going through different levels. Because 738 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,200 Speaker 1: after a while, I started to leave this physical level. 739 00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:20,120 Speaker 1: And when we leave our physical body, we leave behind 740 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,480 Speaker 1: everything that's associated with our body, our biology, our voice, 741 00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,640 Speaker 1: our race, our religion. All of that gets left behind, 742 00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:34,600 Speaker 1: and what crosses over is just pure essence, pure spirit, 743 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,839 Speaker 1: or pure love. We can call it whatever we want. 744 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,600 Speaker 1: And so I started to encounter the essence of the 745 00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,120 Speaker 1: spirit of other people who were familiar to me, like 746 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,560 Speaker 1: my dad, who had died ten years ago. I felt 747 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,520 Speaker 1: his presence around me, and even though he wasn't in 748 00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:58,240 Speaker 1: his physical body, I recognized him immediately. It was literally 749 00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,880 Speaker 1: like his energy and my energy just merged and I 750 00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,120 Speaker 1: was like, oh, Dad, it's you. I just knew. And 751 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,440 Speaker 1: we're not even talking to each other. We don't need 752 00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,600 Speaker 1: to explain who we are. We know what each other 753 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:16,520 Speaker 1: is feeling right away without words. My dad and I, 754 00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,800 Speaker 1: when I was growing up, we had a very turbulent 755 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:24,480 Speaker 1: relationship because I rebelled against my culture I come from 756 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:29,120 Speaker 1: a culture where women are considered second class citizens, and 757 00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,439 Speaker 1: so my dad and I clashed a lot, like a lot, 758 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,600 Speaker 1: and I even ran away from an arranged marriage. So 759 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,640 Speaker 1: when he passed away, I had always thought that I 760 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,960 Speaker 1: had let him down, that I had disappointed him as 761 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,279 Speaker 1: a daughter. But now here he was on the other 762 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:49,040 Speaker 1: side with me, and all I felt from him was pure, 763 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,920 Speaker 1: unconditional love, and I felt he understood why I was 764 00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,680 Speaker 1: the way I was, so it was just the most 765 00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:02,480 Speaker 1: incredible feeling. I then felt that I was surrounded by 766 00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,680 Speaker 1: other beings, and I didn't recognize them all from this life, 767 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,840 Speaker 1: but I did feel that I was just unconditionally loved 768 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,400 Speaker 1: by them, and that they were there to protect me 769 00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:18,239 Speaker 1: and help me. And I started to understand that I've 770 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,640 Speaker 1: always been protected, but not just me. We all are, 771 00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:26,279 Speaker 1: but we don't realize it. We don't know this. And 772 00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,600 Speaker 1: then a lot happened on that side. But I reached 773 00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,720 Speaker 1: a point where I felt that I had a choice 774 00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:37,279 Speaker 1: as to whether to come back into my body or 775 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,239 Speaker 1: to stay on the other side. No part of me 776 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,400 Speaker 1: wanted to come back because my body was sick and dying. 777 00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,160 Speaker 1: I was suffering here. My family were suffering taking care 778 00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:52,000 Speaker 1: of me. But it was like I entered the state 779 00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:56,919 Speaker 1: of clarity where I then understood why I had been sick. 780 00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:01,520 Speaker 1: I understood how it was that so many of the 781 00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,399 Speaker 1: thoughts and the decisions and the choices I had made 782 00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,000 Speaker 1: in my life had led me to that point where 783 00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,560 Speaker 1: I was lying there on that hospital bed, and I 784 00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:16,080 Speaker 1: realized that I had lived this life of fear instead 785 00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:20,520 Speaker 1: of a life of passion and joy and love. I 786 00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:25,320 Speaker 1: had never allowed my soul, my spirit, to express itself 787 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,360 Speaker 1: and be all that it had come here to be, 788 00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,799 Speaker 1: and that I was more powerful than I had ever 789 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:35,200 Speaker 1: known or believed. So in this state of clarity, I 790 00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,960 Speaker 1: received the message that now that you know the truth 791 00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,320 Speaker 1: of who you really are, go back. If you choose 792 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,080 Speaker 1: to go back into your body, your body will heal. 793 00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,000 Speaker 1: And it was at this point that I felt my 794 00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,480 Speaker 1: Dad was telling me, you need to go back. It's 795 00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,560 Speaker 1: not your time yet. And so it was at that 796 00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,480 Speaker 1: point that I made the choice to come back. I 797 00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:02,200 Speaker 1: started to understand that I had a bigger purpose to fulfill, 798 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,759 Speaker 1: something much bigger, and I didn't know what it was. 799 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,360 Speaker 1: I had no idea what it was, but it was 800 00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,000 Speaker 1: like I had the understanding that all I have to 801 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:15,640 Speaker 1: do is be myself and live my life fearlessly, and 802 00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,040 Speaker 1: my purpose would unfold before me. And it was at 803 00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,360 Speaker 1: that point that I started to come out of the coma. 804 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,600 Speaker 1: My family and everybody around me were really shocked, but 805 00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,359 Speaker 1: they were so happy that my eyes were opening up. 806 00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,560 Speaker 1: It was like I had one ft on each side. 807 00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,320 Speaker 1: I kept saying to them, Dad is here. Dad's telling 808 00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,280 Speaker 1: me that it's not my time. I'm going to be fine, 809 00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,840 Speaker 1: And I was just saying this over and over and 810 00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:45,040 Speaker 1: they were wondering what's going on. The doctor basically told 811 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,560 Speaker 1: my family don't raise your hopes because she's still critical. 812 00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,960 Speaker 1: Sometimes it happens. And then the doctor said, these are 813 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:56,279 Speaker 1: the drugs just messing with her mind. She's hallucinating. But 814 00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,120 Speaker 1: then I said to the doctor, aren't you The doctor 815 00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,839 Speaker 1: took the fluid out of my lungs at about four 816 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,120 Speaker 1: am this morning, and that's when he said, but you 817 00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,719 Speaker 1: were in a coma. You couldn't know that. So he 818 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,960 Speaker 1: got really shocked and started to wonder what's going on. 819 00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,440 Speaker 1: I said to my husband, isn't he the doctor that 820 00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,000 Speaker 1: said I'm not even going to make it through the night. 821 00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,920 Speaker 1: And my husband said, you couldn't possibly have heard that. 822 00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,439 Speaker 1: He said that to me outside of the room down 823 00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:31,000 Speaker 1: the hallway near the nurses station. And then what started 824 00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,040 Speaker 1: to happen is over the next few days, the tumors 825 00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,800 Speaker 1: just continued to shrink, and the doctors just could not 826 00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,160 Speaker 1: understand it. I had to start getting a little bit 827 00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,920 Speaker 1: stronger and start getting out of bed, and within um 828 00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,640 Speaker 1: three and a half weeks, they could find no trace 829 00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:53,640 Speaker 1: of the cancer anymore. And within five weeks they let 830 00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,920 Speaker 1: me go home to live my life cancer free. And 831 00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,840 Speaker 1: that was fourteen and a half years ago. So the 832 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,160 Speaker 1: medical people's opinions was very, very mixed. One thing that 833 00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,200 Speaker 1: they all agreed on is that I am lucky to 834 00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,919 Speaker 1: be alive. They all agreed that I should have died. 835 00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,760 Speaker 1: Another one of my doctors says that all the things 836 00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,840 Speaker 1: that I experienced, what I say happened on the other side, 837 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,520 Speaker 1: seeing my dad and everything. He says, that was my 838 00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:24,680 Speaker 1: brain hallucinating, And he says that was the drugs messing 839 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:28,279 Speaker 1: with my mind. But that's the other part that the 840 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,120 Speaker 1: doctors and the medical people could not explain is how 841 00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,880 Speaker 1: was I able to see my my brother. How did 842 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,120 Speaker 1: I know he was on a plane flying to see me, 843 00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:41,400 Speaker 1: and how did I hear the doctors? But my doctor 844 00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,719 Speaker 1: who was treating me actually said that you're not the 845 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,759 Speaker 1: first person to tell me such a story, and he 846 00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:52,840 Speaker 1: said he has heard other patients who have experienced crossing 847 00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,800 Speaker 1: over on the other side. And what happened, though, is 848 00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:01,160 Speaker 1: that I was interviewed once by a local newspaper and 849 00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,720 Speaker 1: then the newspaper journalists said to me, would your doctor 850 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,600 Speaker 1: be willing to verify everything that happened? And I said yes, 851 00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,879 Speaker 1: He completely believed me, But when the newspaper interviewed him, 852 00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,719 Speaker 1: he didn't say everything the way he said it to me, 853 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,960 Speaker 1: and he was too embarrassed to speak it publicly. And 854 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,879 Speaker 1: many years later is when another doctor said to me that, yeah, 855 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,480 Speaker 1: if we say these things publicly, we can be ridiculed 856 00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,400 Speaker 1: and we can even lose our license. I encourage you 857 00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,239 Speaker 1: to read or listen to the audio book Dying to 858 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,600 Speaker 1: Be Me by Anita Moore Johnny and discover the power 859 00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:43,800 Speaker 1: of the near death experience. You can visit shift Anita 860 00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,480 Speaker 1: dot com find out more about the afterlife. You can 861 00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,240 Speaker 1: join us for a free Sunday gathering with a medium 862 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,399 Speaker 1: demonstration every week. Get a free read of my book 863 00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:58,000 Speaker 1: or audiobook that We Don't Die dot com. I'm Sandra Champlain. 864 00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,239 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the 865 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:05,800 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 866 00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,680 Speaker 1: And if you like this episode of Shades of the Afterlife, 867 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,160 Speaker 1: wait until you hear the next one. Thank you for 868 00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,560 Speaker 1: listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 869 00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,680 Speaker 1: a m Paranormal podcast Network.