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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports.

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Speaker 2: Radio running down some of the headlines. Here, the thunder

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Speaker 2: go up on the Timberwolves. SGA gets forty and his

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Speaker 2: MVP tonight. The Knicks are getting two and a half.

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Speaker 2: Well from the bookies from Vegas. They don't start out

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Speaker 2: up two and a half, nohing, No, they don't. That

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Speaker 2: would be great though if they did. You know, are

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Speaker 2: we ever going to get to that point with gambling

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Speaker 2: that you start out with? That's the point spread and

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Speaker 2: you know, make it easier on us, so we can

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Speaker 2: understand when there's, you know, a bad beat. You never

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Speaker 2: hear good beats, do you? You always hear a bad beat.

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Speaker 2: Scott Van Pelt always talks about a bad beat. Although

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Speaker 2: if you're a gambler, and I'm an ex gambler, you

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Speaker 2: do love telling people about the bets that you won.

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Speaker 2: You normally don't talk about the bets you lost. Like

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine Drake or Floyd Mayweather saying, hey, let

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Speaker 2: me tell you about the time I lost a half

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Speaker 2: a million on.

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Speaker 3: The Raptors or something.

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Speaker 2: But Nicks are getting two and a half at the

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Speaker 2: pace game four and Tyree's Halliburton's dad gets.

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Speaker 3: To come back. How about that?

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Speaker 2: But he doesn't. He can't go on the floor. He

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Speaker 2: has to be up in a suite. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if they make him sit like in row eight of

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Speaker 2: the suite, Like he can't even sit in the front

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Speaker 2: row of the suite, but his dad will be in

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Speaker 2: the building. The Knicks at the Pacers Game four, Thunder dominated.

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Speaker 2: At least it looked like they dominated until you look

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Speaker 2: at what happened and you get forty from SGA, you

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Speaker 2: got balanced attack from the Thunder, and you hold on

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Speaker 2: to win this one by two. NBA teams that take

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Speaker 2: a three to one series lead back home for Game

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Speaker 2: five win seventy five percent of the time. It felt

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Speaker 2: like every time I covered the Bulls with Michael Jordan?

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Speaker 2: Did I ever tell you that I covered the bulls

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Speaker 2: with Michael Jordan? Did I, Pallie, Do you remember.

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Speaker 4: That I'd heard about it sometimes talked about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yes, I covered the Bulls.

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Speaker 2: It felt like every time that they could close out

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Speaker 2: a series on the road, they never did for some reason,

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Speaker 2: even though Jordan never went to a Game seven. But

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Speaker 2: seventy five percent of the time, the team that takes

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Speaker 2: a three to one series lead back home for Game five,

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Speaker 2: they win seventy five percent of the time. So Shay

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Speaker 2: Gilgis scores forty and the first Thunder player to score

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Speaker 2: at least forty in a playoff game since Russell Westbrook

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Speaker 2: Junior the third did that against Utah back in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 2: should be all right? Seaton poll question, if you would

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Speaker 2: do us the honors for the first hour?

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Speaker 3: Sure we can start in the NBA.

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Speaker 5: Which is more true the Thunder shut Anthony Edwards down

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Speaker 5: or Anthony Edwards needs to step up?

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Speaker 2: You know it's rare when we will compliment or credit

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Speaker 2: the defense. We tend to look at the star player

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Speaker 2: and say, what's up?

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Speaker 3: What happened? Now?

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Speaker 2: His shots per game have been going down each series.

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Speaker 2: That to me is a little worrisome. If he plays

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Speaker 2: at his normal level, then they pull out that win.

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Speaker 2: But keep in mind his teammates had a great performance,

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Speaker 2: so they were making shots and I'm going to give

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Speaker 2: credit to the defense with OKC lou Dort. All he's

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Speaker 2: doing is trying to stay with ant Man. That's it,

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Speaker 2: and I think that's the key is he's not worried

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Speaker 2: about anything other than Anthony Edwards. And Anthony Edwards even

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Speaker 2: said after the game that he didn't particularly have a

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Speaker 2: bad game, but here is the Timberwolf's star.

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Speaker 6: I don't look at it like that Strogut or his struggled.

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Speaker 2: It just.

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Speaker 6: They had a good game plan making us get off

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Speaker 6: the ball. Well, especially for me. Man, it was superan gaps.

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Speaker 6: I made the right play all night, So I don't

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Speaker 6: really look at it like I struggled. I didn't get

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Speaker 6: enough shots to say our struggled, So that's my thing

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Speaker 6: might be hid you guys look at it, but yeah,

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Speaker 6: I'm a struggle.

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Speaker 7: Oh it's just gonna make the right lay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he had six assists, but I do need him

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Speaker 2: to score more, be more aggressive, and he said he

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Speaker 2: was trying to take it to the hoop but they

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Speaker 2: played great defense. Help defense. The gaps they're really tight

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Speaker 2: with that. Chet Holmgren has done a great job. But

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Speaker 2: give credit, Okay, See is the best defensive team in

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Speaker 2: the NBA.

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Speaker 3: They're proving that.

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Speaker 2: Now that's not you know, a hot take when you go,

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Speaker 2: how about we credit the defense. It's what's wrong with

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Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards. I'm giving a whole lot of credit to

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Speaker 2: Oka See. I've often said many, many, many many times,

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Speaker 2: so I very often said this, don't let the best

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Speaker 2: player beat you. Okay See did that last night. Now,

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Speaker 2: the other players played pretty well, and that's the danger

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Speaker 2: in that. But that's because Minnesota has a balanced attack there.

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Speaker 2: They have depth there and they almost pulled out a

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Speaker 2: big win there. But give credit to the defense for

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Speaker 2: a change. Yeah, Pauline, Yeah, I saw a stat on

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Speaker 2: Anthy Edwards. He drove to the lane like sixteen times,

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Speaker 2: which means he is being aggressive. But on all sixteen

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Speaker 2: of those times they rotated over a double team sixteen

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Speaker 2: for sixteen. They're trying to get out of his hands.

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Speaker 2: And that's the way to go. Don't let the best

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Speaker 2: player beat you, And that'll be the philosophy. It should

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Speaker 2: be the philosophy. Now, I don't know why Minnesota doesn't

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Speaker 2: do that to Shay Gilgus Alexander. How about we don't

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Speaker 2: let their best player beat us and score forty points.

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Speaker 2: And you've got the rim protector, Rudy Gobert, you should

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Speaker 2: be able to shut him down.

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Speaker 4: There, Rudolph had thirteen and nine for you.

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Speaker 2: It's okay, it's all right. See, if you want the

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Speaker 2: most overrated player in the NBA, it's not my guy,

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Speaker 2: Tyrese Halliburton, it's Rudy and the go bets.

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 2: What other poll question we looking at today? First, donur

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Speaker 2: seat and by the way, let me do the starting

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Speaker 2: lineup and guard out of NYU Tied Fritz Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 3: Do I do height? And wait?

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Speaker 7: Oh boy, now we don't do that.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we don't do anything at guard six foot six,

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Speaker 2: So I just do your height. I don't, I don't.

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Speaker 2: They don't do weight. So your height is what time?

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Speaker 7: Five ten and a half five ten? All right?

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Speaker 2: Ended guard five foot ten out of NYU Todd frittanz

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Speaker 3: In a guard him more like he's a tweener small forward.

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Speaker 2: Seaton O'Connor is here, Marvin is here, Pauli's here, Marvin

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Speaker 2: has his All Star.

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Speaker 3: T shirt on I do.

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Speaker 8: I live in the crates, much like Ill, much like

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Speaker 8: Paulie and uh Fritzy.

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Speaker 2: What year is that? This is nineteen ninety two, of

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Speaker 2: course in Orland, of course it is. I've been looking

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Speaker 2: for that. Now I know where it is. You have

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Speaker 2: my nineteen ninety two Orlando All Star T shirt?

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Speaker 4: Gun, Yes, Paul, But it is a genius business model

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Speaker 4: because that's not an original All Star T shirt like

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Speaker 4: Marvin wasn't at that weekend, No offense. But you can

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Speaker 4: buy that old stuff now. There's websites that have reprinted

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Speaker 4: memorabilia from years in past.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's called Todd Fritz's Favorite place to go buy

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Speaker 2: Maya's More drog Yeah. Well it's like distressed. You know

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Speaker 2: where we buy distressed furniture, distressed jeans. That's kind of

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Speaker 2: the sports version of distressed. Yes, yes, Marvin.

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Speaker 8: And it's very nostalgic, so you want to try to

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Speaker 8: go back to your youth or something like that. That's

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Speaker 8: why retro sneakers are such a big thing. You know what, man,

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Speaker 8: I couldn't afford those Jordans when I was ten.

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Speaker 7: You know, I'm forty.

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Speaker 8: Well I can afford though, so a lot of people

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Speaker 8: do that.

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Speaker 2: Well, guys do that with cars. You know, if there

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Speaker 2: was a car in high school that you couldn't afford,

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Speaker 2: then once you get money, then we tend to revert back.

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Speaker 3: Can go?

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Speaker 2: You know I always wanted that trans am or Corvette IRAQ.

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Speaker 2: Yeah alrighty uh So we'll settle on a poll question

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Speaker 2: or two.

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Speaker 3: Here. Your phone calls are always welcome. Operator Todd.

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Speaker 2: Marvin is going to be running things today, So I

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Speaker 2: just want you to take your cues from Marvin today.

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Speaker 7: All right, Why would you guys do that?

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be the bad guy. I had

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Speaker 2: a great weekend. You know, the sun is out. I

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Speaker 2: just want to make sure that Pritsy is having fun.

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Speaker 7: I am.

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Speaker 2: I went fishing yesterday. Yeah, I went fishing. Caught some

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Speaker 2: small mouth bass and catching release.

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Speaker 3: By the way. But yeah, went out and.

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Speaker 2: I roughed it a little bit. I was out there,

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Speaker 2: but kind of like a hab, you know, I'm looking

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Speaker 2: for the.

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Speaker 3: Big way, big waves out there. Yeah, looking for the

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Speaker 3: big one.

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Speaker 7: What makes it a small mouth pass? How big is

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Speaker 7: the big mouth pass?

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Speaker 2: Then it's larger than the Yeah, it's mount like you

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Speaker 2: would be a large mouth, it would be a.

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Speaker 3: Big mouth pass, it would be that would pain in

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Speaker 3: the back. Yeah, yeah, yes, marmon.

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Speaker 8: Whenever you're Maine, do you just feel more like a man?

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Speaker 3: Oh you can't spell Maine without m an well said

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Speaker 3: down their license plate, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's something like that. Yeah, you know

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Speaker 2: you're Paul Bunyon here. It's just you're out there in

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Speaker 2: the wilderness. But you know when you're just you and

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Speaker 2: the dog and then you hear sounds at night and

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Speaker 2: you're like scared, you know, those glowing eyes and the thing.

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Speaker 2: What kind of cats think about it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Well I have a dog when he's a rescue but

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Speaker 2: part coonhound, and she is a hunter. She'll hear everything

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Speaker 2: and sometimes she didn't hear anything, but it certainly sounds

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Speaker 2: like she did, yes, Paul.

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Speaker 4: Now Maine has bears, and you know about bear like

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Speaker 4: the strategy if a bear walks up on yours near you,

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Speaker 4: You're you're supposed to stand motionless and just walk backwards slowly.

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Speaker 4: Is at the routine, I believe. So how does a

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Speaker 4: person do that?

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Speaker 2: Well, I encountered a bear. This is nineteen ninety nine

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Speaker 2: and I'm in British Columbia. Here's Dan's story time. So

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Speaker 2: I'm up there fly fishing and we stay for an

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Speaker 2: extra day because we're on a photo safari. This group

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Speaker 2: wanted to do a photo safari. They gave me a

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Speaker 2: camera and they said, we're going to look for the

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Speaker 2: Kommodi bear. Komodi bear is one of the rarest animals

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Speaker 2: in the world. It looks, you know, it's an albino bear,

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Speaker 2: kind of looks like a polar bear. But it's a

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Speaker 2: spirit bear is what it's called. So people Native Americans

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Speaker 2: viewed it as a religious figure. Well, we're there and

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking, I'm not going to see this bear. I mean,

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Speaker 2: We've talked a lot about college football, the ever changing

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Speaker 5: Well, the SEC and Big ten right in this in

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Speaker 5: Well, and that's what you know. A lot of these

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Speaker 5: specifically college football is vastly undervalued. They need to consolidate

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Speaker 5: I think it's coming.

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Speaker 2: We have INIL, but we also have collectibles and we

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Speaker 5: Right, there's a lot going on with yeah, collectives, right

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Speaker 7: Will begin paying.

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Speaker 5: But in order to do all that, the House Settlement

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Speaker 2: How's it going over with USC? Looks like they're going

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Speaker 5: the destruction of these these rivalry games. Oklahoma State Oklahoma

438
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Speaker 5: right is another one that you could see go away.

439
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Speaker 5: It is too bad. I haven't heard it really we

440
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Speaker 5: talked much about here, but I'll say this. If the

441
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Speaker 5: playoff format gets playoff format gets finalized as a four

442
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Speaker 5: four two two where you have four out of wind

443
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Speaker 5: qualifiers for a big ten in the SEC, I think

444
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Speaker 5: you'll see USC still play that game. I think the

445
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Speaker 5: CFP format is going to be a big piece in

446
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Speaker 5: a lot of regular season, non conference scheduling decisions.

447
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Speaker 2: Great to talk to you, and it feels like if

448
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Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley doesn't win this Notre Dame game coming up

449
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Speaker 2: this October, it feels like that that's u This is

450
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Speaker 2: a make or break year for him at USC.

451
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Speaker 5: It feels like that, Dan, But you got to remember

452
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 5: that buyout of his I think it's over eighty million

453
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 5: dollars At a time when everybody's so stressed financially stressed

454
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Speaker 5: with paying athletes, it is tough to see USC paying

455
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Speaker 5: eighty million plus dollars to fire them. But you never know, right.

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Speaker 2: What are your thoughts Hope's perspective for North Carolina with

457
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick this upcoming season?

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Speaker 7: Wow?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, certainly without all the off the field stuff going

460
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Speaker 5: on in college athletics, that would be the big storyline.

461
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Speaker 5: And it has still been a big storyline this year.

462
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Speaker 5: You know, you look at their schedule, Dan, and it's

463
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Speaker 5: it's pretty good. It's pretty smooth. You could see them

464
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Speaker 5: going eight and four or something like that. I think

465
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Speaker 5: that would be I think that would be a success

466
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Speaker 5: year one there. But it's going to be certainly interesting

467
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Speaker 5: to watch. It's been quite an interesting offseason there in

468
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Speaker 5: Keppel Hill had.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you got Carolina blue polo shirt on there?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Ross We appreciate your time. Ross Dellinger, Yeahho sports senior

473
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Speaker 2: college football reporter.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan

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Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific

476
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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 2: He's Jim Jackson, Fox Turner, NBA, also college basketball analyst,

478
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Speaker 2: joining us on the program. I've just spent a little

479
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 2: time reminiscing about guys who missed their window. You know,

480
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Speaker 2: when Bird and Magic came in, and then Mike came

481
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 2: in and the bad Boy, you know, anybody before that,

482
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Speaker 2: Kareem I think got short sighted a little bit. Doctor

483
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 2: Jay did, and I got a chance see Doc played

484
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 2: twice in the ABA, and.

485
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Speaker 3: So it was just different.

486
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Speaker 2: That was he was playing against the Kentucky Colonels who

487
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 2: had Dan Issel and had a really really good artist

488
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 2: Gilmore was on the team, and Doc was just dunking

489
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,239
Speaker 2: on people in traffic like it was like wild and

490
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 2: I had not seen somebody play like that.

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Speaker 3: Have you met Doctor j.

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Speaker 7: Yes, that was my Ironically, I grew up a Sixers

493
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Speaker 7: fan because of Doc. Now from Ohio, but it was

494
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 7: close to Philly, so I grew up idolizing the fro

495
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 7: and it was moving. I wanted to try to have

496
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Speaker 7: an afro like Doctor J. And you know at that

497
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 7: time too, you know that NBA Finals, I think when

498
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 7: they played the Magic his rookie year and that thing

499
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 7: was on tape de lay back in the day, remember that.

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Speaker 7: But I met Doc at the ninety five All Star

501
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Speaker 7: Game in Phoenix. I still have that picture and that

502
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 7: was like a oh you know that moment when you

503
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 7: see Doctor J walking in the room, He's like glide

504
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 7: and you know, in slow motion, it was like, that's Doc.

505
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Speaker 7: But then Dan I got to really get a chance

506
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 7: to know him via the Big Three with Ice CBS

507
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 7: League because he's one of the coaches. But more importantly,

508
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 7: we were in China with the NBA NBA China Games

509
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 7: in twenty eighteen. That was Lucas rookie year and Doc

510
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 7: was there and we really had a chance to just

511
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 7: hang out and spend time because he's an abbot like me,

512
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 7: cigar smoker, so I would make sure that I have

513
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 7: a play set up that we go to that we

514
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 7: can sit and smoke and talk. And he was telling stories.

515
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Speaker 7: You know, he was with the Atlanta Hawks in camp.

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Speaker 7: Did you know that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they think about.

518
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 7: It, they wouldn't him play. Think about that, Dan, if

519
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 7: he would have stayed with the Hawks, how history could

520
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 7: have been different because he's with the Virginia Squires at

521
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Speaker 7: the time. Yeah, and then went to Atlanta. He was

522
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Speaker 7: in camp. The NBA said, he said, if Doc plays,

523
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Speaker 7: you have to forfeit the games that he plays in,

524
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Speaker 7: And that's how he ended up getting to the New

525
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Speaker 7: Jersey Nation and eventually of course at the Philadelphia seventy

526
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Speaker 7: six ers. But spending time with him and it's a different.

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Speaker 7: He's just it's something about people have aura, and Doc

528
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 7: definitely is that person that has.

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Speaker 2: I was covering the NBA Finals with the Bulls and

530
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 2: the Jazz. We were in Utah. Jim Gray says, when

531
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Speaker 2: you get done with Sports Center stuff, you want to

532
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 2: join me and Doc we're going to be playing golf.

533
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Speaker 3: And I'm like, I'm there, And so we get there.

534
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Speaker 2: We're playing golf and then there's a backup on like

535
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 2: the fifteenth hole, and there was a basketball hoop. There

536
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 2: was a like a house right you know, behind the

537
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: tea box, and there was a basketball out there, and

538
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 2: I said, I said, Doc, you want to go shoot?

539
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 2: So we went over in golf shoes and we're so

540
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Speaker 2: I'm shooting hoops and I said, Doc, would you stand

541
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Speaker 2: under I lowered the basket to I think eight feet

542
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Speaker 2: and I said, would you stand under the hoop? I

543
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: want to dunk on you. Doc went and stood under

544
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Speaker 2: the hoop and put his hands up, and then I

545
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: dunked on him.

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Speaker 5: What.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm just more surprised you still got up on

548
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Speaker 7: the foot rim.

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Speaker 3: I was putting on an aerial display man.

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Speaker 7: Hey, listen, I played Doc, we played, We're at Big three.

551
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Speaker 7: We played golf in Tulsa. And I love Doctor Depth

552
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 7: and I'll tell you how smooth he is and everything

553
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 7: is melodic and everything, but sometimes he can be slow

554
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Speaker 7: in the golf course too.

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Speaker 2: Though he wasn't a great golfer. As a golfer, he

556
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: was a great dunker. So I love what Giannis has

557
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: brought up. Well, we brought it up a while ago,

558
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Speaker 2: and that's everybody outside the United States versus the United

559
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Speaker 2: States and the All Star Game. And I said, well,

560
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Speaker 2: what do you have to lose, Like we've already lost

561
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Speaker 2: the All Star Game, maybe you can get it back.

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Speaker 2: And I certainly like my starting five with you know,

563
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Speaker 2: the players from outside the United States, what's the negative

564
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Speaker 2: to this?

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Speaker 7: That the negative to me is that you have to

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Speaker 7: search for a way for guys to play hard and

567
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 7: search for incentive to make the game interesting because we're

568
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 7: going through all this Dan the Elon system captains picking

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Speaker 7: their teams different iterations of the All Star Game because

570
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Speaker 7: it falls back on the players and not really wanting

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Speaker 7: to play and play hard. At the end of the day,

572
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Speaker 7: when the top players really want to play and you

573
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Speaker 7: play hard, I'm not saying you're going to go out,

574
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Speaker 7: you know, one hundred miles per hour and try to

575
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 7: hurt yourself, but you know on that second quarter, that

576
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 7: third quarter, that fourth quarter, when it's time to compete,

577
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 7: when you're playing defense. And again I go back to

578
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 7: you know, the eighties and nineties, two thousands, early when

579
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 7: the games were played hard, okay, and it wasn't just

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Speaker 7: a dunk contest. That's what bothers me that we have

581
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Speaker 7: to search that the NBA has to search for reasons

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Speaker 7: to incentivize the players to really go out and play hard.

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Speaker 7: So why are we looking at europe European players versus

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Speaker 7: United States? Why?

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Speaker 2: Because because we can't get them to play hard. Now

586
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: you say, for your country. And if if if the players,

587
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: what are the team world beat the Americans? Now you

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00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: have something, Now you have oh my goodness. Then the

589
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 2: next year like now we have something. I I don't

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Speaker 2: watch the All.

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Speaker 3: Star Game because I've said it's a glorified layup line.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't. I don't care. Even the dunk contest. I

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Speaker 3: don't care.

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Speaker 2: Three point you can still dress that up. And NBA

595
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,479
Speaker 2: you could have prior like Del Curry and Steph Curry

596
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Speaker 2: could be a team, you know, you could. You could

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Speaker 2: do something like that, and I'd be fine with that.

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Speaker 2: But this to me, if if the World beat Team USA,

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Speaker 2: I think at least it has a pulse.

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Speaker 7: Well, how does it? But here's the thing too, how

601
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Speaker 7: do you Well, guys get left out because of this?

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Speaker 7: And with regards to the number of players, with a

603
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Speaker 7: number of players too, because if you think about it,

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Speaker 7: if you get a twenty five players or twenty four

605
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 7: players or whatever it may be, and now you're looking

606
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Speaker 7: at placing a European team together American team, that means

607
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Speaker 7: you can need twelve European players, right, they say you

608
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 7: got twelve on the bench, I mean twelve on the team.

609
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 7: But ironically, maybe five to eight are your real All Stars.

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Speaker 7: So that means now you're putting another four to five

611
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 7: players that are there that are taking spots from other

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00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 7: players who should be All Stars. Okay, so you run

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00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 7: into that dynamic too. It sounds great, but when you're

614
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 7: voting for the All Star team, you pick the twenty

615
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 7: four to twenty five best players the All Star Ironically,

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Speaker 7: they're not going to be the majority of going to

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Speaker 7: be American players, but you have to fill out that

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00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 7: roster is the European team, and that means on the

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Speaker 7: American side, it's going to be guys that deserve to

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Speaker 7: be an All Star that don't end up making it

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Speaker 7: if you go that way. Not again, I don't know

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Speaker 7: how they'll the process a beat, but I think you

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Speaker 7: have that as something that you really have to look

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00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 7: at on how that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's fair. I do.

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Speaker 2: But I'm just trying to have the All Star Game

627
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: mean something and this might be your last ditch deffort.

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Speaker 2: Talking to Jim Jackson Fox Turner, NBA college basketball analyst,

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Speaker 2: the Knicks or two and a half point underdogs against

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00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 2: the Pacers. What happened in that fourth quarter that Indiana

631
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 2: forgot to do or Indiana or the Knicks, you know,

632
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 2: remembered to do well.

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Speaker 7: I think you got to give a lot of credits

634
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 7: to the Knicks. It was of course Carl Anthony Town's

635
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 7: got reactivated. I mean really played extremely well, and you know,

636
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 7: he played assertive. I thought it was some shots that

637
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 7: he took early they kind of build the defense out.

638
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 7: But you got to give og Ananobe credit played extremely well.

639
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 7: Miles McBride Duce McBride came in and played extremely well.

640
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 7: I mean he had a critical role, you know in

641
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 7: that game, in particularly in the fourth quarter, not just offensively,

642
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 7: but defensively too, kind of making some things happen. And

643
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 7: when you're you know, in this situation, you play a

644
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 7: little desperate. You're now two I mean down two oh

645
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 7: on the road, and really the pressure is kind of

646
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 7: more on even though it's pressure on New York to

647
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 7: win it. Don't get me wrong, because you go down

648
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 7: three to oh, it's you know, it's basically over, but

649
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 7: you're not expected to kind of win that game, just

650
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 7: based on how the series was going. Even though this

651
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 7: was you think about this, then it came every game

652
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 7: came down to a one or two possession game, okay,

653
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 7: and that New York probably sat back and said, you know,

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Speaker 7: if we cleaned up what happened in the third quarter,

655
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Speaker 7: some turnover, some tough shots, not giving up an offensive rebound,

656
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 7: we win those two games at home. And that's the

657
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 7: mentality you have to have. And other guys really stepped up.

658
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 7: My I mean, Michel Bridges stepped up big time, mate,

659
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 7: great defensive plays, offensive plays, and a lot of that

660
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 7: was done, you know, Dan with Jalen Brunson sitting on

661
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 7: the bench, you know, and that says a lot about

662
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 7: the character of that New York team. Now, can it

663
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 7: be duplicated, We don't know. But you play hard, you

664
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,959
Speaker 7: give yourself a chance to win, you don't turn it over.

665
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 7: And the ball moved a lot more late in that

666
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 7: fourth quarter, the last five minutes. That gave New York

667
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 7: opportunities to be able to score the ball and eventually

668
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:26,479
Speaker 7: win the game.

669
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, it's not fair to say it, but it

670
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 2: is real. They'll move the ball more with Brunson not

671
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 2: ball dominant, Well, they will. I'm not saying that you

672
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: win without him, but it's a different it's a different

673
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 2: Knicks team or style that they seem to capitalize on

674
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 2: whether that. You know, I still think that Timms needs

675
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 2: to play more guys. You know, he's stuck on like

676
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 2: six guys. But you have some guys who have experience

677
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 2: and put him in there, and they had to out

678
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: of necessity with Brunston, but it just felt like the

679
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: ball moved a little bit more and they benefited from.

680
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 7: Them in the last couple of games too well, he

681
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 7: went with the change in the starting lineup. Okay, moved

682
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 7: Josh Hart back to the bench. He played Landry Shammitt,

683
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 7: you know, in the game. But here's the thing, because

684
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 7: we got a snippet of about five and a half

685
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 7: minutes of no Brunson right when he left the game

686
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 7: in the fourth quarter, came back in with about a

687
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 7: minute something less, and everybody said, well, it looks better

688
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 7: without Brunson. Yeah, but you know what, Brunton was there

689
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 7: to both the game to get you to that point.

690
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 7: So you can have a snippet of it, But imagine

691
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 7: if Brunton is not there for the totality of the game.

692
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 7: This is a different New York team. Now you're asking

693
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 7: guys to do this for fifteen twenty twenty five thirty

694
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 7: minutes to be able to do what we saw in

695
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 7: five minutes. That's a different ask, you know, And.

696
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 3: I agree lazy analysis on people.

697
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 7: They say that, but it makes sense, you know, in

698
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 7: that mad moments.

699
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 2: Yes, it's like when people said the Celtics are better

700
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: without Tatum.

701
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 7: Stop it.

702
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: Exactly by the way, Tyree's Haliburton's dad's allowed back in

703
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 2: the building.

704
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 7: But only in this week now near the court.

705
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 3: Did you ever have a family member create an incident?

706
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 7: No game, No ever, and I had, you know, I

707
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 7: was fortunate my my father, my mother, they weren't. They

708
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 7: were always in the background. Never. No, that's my son

709
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 7: out there. I mean high school, college and the pro Uh.

710
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 7: My relatives who came to the game that were really

711
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 7: close to me. They were just so happy and later

712
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 7: to be just in the building a lot of times

713
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 7: to be and see other players played, but proud of

714
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 7: what I've done. But never never close friends teammates. No,

715
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 7: I've never played with a teammate that now I had

716
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 7: some Did I ever have over the top let's say

717
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 7: parents or crow Yeah, maybe a little bit, but not

718
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 7: to where it never interfered with the game. No, maybe

719
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 7: I practices or doing stuff or trying to travel and

720
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 7: be at stuff. Yeah, that part, but not what we

721
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 7: saw on the court after a game in another player's face.

722
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 7: I didn't have I didn't experience that part.

723
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 2: I like what Okay she did, and that is I

724
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: don't want your best player to beat me. Now you

725
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 2: do run the risk of the other players. And the

726
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 2: other players played really well for the Thunder, But Anthony

727
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 2: Edwards saying basically I didn't have a bad game, like

728
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 2: you know, I made the right choices here where do

729
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: you stand on the field? Goal attempts were limited for

730
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: the best player on your team.

731
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 7: Well, that's very mature of Anthony Edwards and it's a

732
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 7: correct analysis being this. Okayse made it a point in

733
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 7: particular lou Dort that Anthony wasn't gonna get a lot

734
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 7: of airspace. You know, in the previous game he had

735
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 7: a lot of good isolations on the wing. He was

736
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 7: able to get one on one. But when you're facing

737
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 7: this OKC team, think about this. What you want to do.

738
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 7: You want to get a mismatch. Everybody wants to figure

739
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 7: out a mismatch. So when Anthony Edwards, who initiates the offense,

740
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 7: comes down and sets once that pick and roll up

741
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 7: top with holme grin or hard and stun. It's incumbent

742
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 7: upon the guy that's guarding and to get over that screen.

743
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 7: So now you don't have a switch and you're basically

744
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 7: back to one on one defense. And that's what lou

745
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 7: Dort did most of the night. He stayed, he got

746
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 7: over those screens, so now you don't have a mismatch.

747
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 7: And when they did, they loaded up on an. So

748
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 7: the thirteen shots was a result of excellent one schematically

749
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 7: designing a defense that works, but two the commitment for

750
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 7: OKC players to really execute that scheme. Because you could

751
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 7: have a scheme all you want, and coaches will tell

752
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 7: you that, they say, listen, we lost this game because

753
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 7: we didn't execute our game plan. Well that wasn't the

754
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 7: case for Okay, see man, I mean, whoever was in

755
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 7: that pick and roll situation or needed to be around

756
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 7: Anthony Anderson, they did a heck of a job. And

757
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 7: then when he went into traffic, he was double triple

758
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 7: team and he had to get had to get rid

759
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:16,959
Speaker 7: of the ball.

760
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 3: Most annoying defender you ever faced.

761
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 7: Muggsy Bogues, not even not even close, not even because

762
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 7: my second year we traded. I was in Dallas and

763
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 7: we traded uh jed garper Right to New York. So

764
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 7: I'm playing point guard. Man. We played Charlotte and you

765
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 7: know muggsies five two with with with some insols in okay,

766
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 7: and he'll pick you up full court and he gets

767
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 7: up underneath you and annoying is all. I'm like, man,

768
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 7: just here's the ball. I'm we get it back over

769
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 7: half court. But because people don't understand how strong Munkey

770
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 7: Bogues was at the time, even though he was didn't

771
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 7: have the height, but his advantage was the further you

772
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 7: wore away from the basket. His speed is quickness and

773
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 7: its size wasn't a liability, and that annoyed the heck

774
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 7: out of me when I played against Charlotte and had

775
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 7: to bring it up against a smaller quicker and a

776
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 7: defensive minded point guard like uh like Muggsy Bowls. I

777
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 7: still hate to see him coming, like Muggy may get

778
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 7: out of here, man.

779
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 3: He was actually five to two five three.

780
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 7: I said what I said with insoles in.

781
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't it amazing though somebody that size could could

782
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 2: have a lengthy career in the NBA.

783
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 7: Well, look at Yeah, he look at Spudweb. Spud Web,

784
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 7: I mean the same thing.

785
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 3: Bud wasn't as good as Muggsy what.

786
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 7: But in a different way though, Spud was a lot

787
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 7: more affen.

788
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,479
Speaker 3: You won the contest, yeah, and he was more Yeah,

789
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 3: and he.

790
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 7: Muggsy was a terror on defense man.

791
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but terror he could he could play, he could

792
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 3: be his starter.

793
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 7: I mean, well, you know, you know it's interesting that

794
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 7: you brought that up to is that people talk about

795
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 7: guys that couldn't play back in the day because of size, Like, say, Steph,

796
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 7: are you so we just named two who were smaller

797
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 7: that played, you know, Michael Adams back in the day

798
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 7: when he played for Denver, Okay, he was he was small. Okay.

799
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 7: It's guys that played back in that time that were smaller,

800
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 7: leaner in a more physical league that still knew how

801
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 7: to play because they grew up playing in that era,

802
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 7: playing with that physicality, knowing how to use their size.

803
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 7: So that's why I laugh at when people say, you know,

804
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 7: Steph couldn't play back in the you know, late eighties

805
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 7: and nineties. I'm like, well why not. You know, here's

806
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 7: examples of guys that did.

807
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 3: Great To talk to you always. Thanks for lighting. Yes, yes,

808
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 3: who you got tonight?

809
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 7: I have the knicks like that. I'm greedy because I

810
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 7: won seven games. Man, I won six to seven games

811
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 7: in both series. I was just pointed in you Okac

812
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 7: and Minnesota game, and I think about the Minnesota game.

813
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 7: I say this before we go. People look at ant

814
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 7: And and Randa only scoring twenty one points compared to

815
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 7: there's seventy four between Shay and Williams. But it wasn't

816
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 7: that to me, this is a two point game. You

817
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 7: give up twenty three turnovers. Right, Dan Okac had ninety

818
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 7: four possessions, Minnesota only had eighty five. That's an eleven

819
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 7: possession different in the two point game. Despite all what

820
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 7: was going on. That to me, when Minnesota gets themselves

821
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 7: in trouble is when they turn the ball over and

822
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 7: they lose the possession game. Good to talk to you always,

823
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 7: brother and En George tonight that's Jim Jackson