WEBVTT - Ep. 156: Battle Scars 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:13.280 This is an eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:16.520 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening. Don't make 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:25.200 me eat the podcast. You can't predict anything. Oh listen, 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:37.559 there you go, boys, how y'all he's fired up to night. 0:00:37.600 --> 0:01:02.320 I feel the energy sacramental. What's up, guys is? Uh? 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:03.880 I got a couple people I want to ask about. 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:08.880 Larry Costigo here, Yeah, what's your wife's name? We'll get 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:17.000 to that. Uh. Um and uh, Greg Fonts, you guys 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:23.600 know you guys know the Free Dive Shop West Sacramento. Right, Okay, 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:25.000 we're gonna do a bunch of things to night. We're 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:29.039 gonna do our normal show. Um. Then we're gonna do 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:32.880 a thing that we're doing at our live shows, which 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:39.280 is called two Lies in the Truth a k a. 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:44.720 Seeing through the bullshit, Seeing through the bullshit. And uh, 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:47.520 we already picked a seat number before any of you 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:49.480 have to trust us that we just randomly selected a 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:54.040 seat number. Do you remember what it is, Steve? Do 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:56.800 you remember what it is? And that person will get 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:00.360 to play the game. Uh, so we're gonna do that. 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:06.520 Get a lot of interesting emails from California all the time. 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:13.519 When I think about is It's like what wasn't I'm 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:17.280 not sure whether there was a laugh there. It's like, uh, 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:21.920 it's like a lovable kind of nuthouse around here. Uh. 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:25.240 The uber driver. I was with the uber driver this 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:27.520 morning and he got kind of circumspect for a minute. 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:28.959 I wrote it down what he said to me. He says, 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:31.000 you know, the problem with California's We've got too many 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:38.440 fucking crazy people. He were not long ago. We get 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:40.280 an email from a guy not long ago who was 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.079 complaining about they had to go get a mountain lion 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:46.440 depredation permit because the mountain lion is wiping out his ostriches, 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:56.560 and uh, it's an our seat in the news too, 0:02:57.280 --> 0:02:59.640 Like you guys just have your own special set of things. 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:04.760 There was I was reading an article do you guys 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:07.600 now have There's an article in National Geographic talking about 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:10.360 how you guys now have like the world's only population 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:15.680 of blue eyed coyotes, which feels so intensely California, like 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:20.959 there's no there's like no way that Nebraska right is 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:27.760 gonna have blue eyed and Chuck Taylors and and of 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:33.040 course National Geographic manages to spin the fact that California 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:36.120 has blue eyed coyotes into an anti hunting article. It's 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:39.360 like if they did an article about my mom's cookies 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:41.680 and the end they'd be like, you know, people shouldn't 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:46.480 really be able to hunt. I was reading not long 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:48.240 with a lot of people wrote in this guy, I 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:52.240 want to get this place? Why Rio del Mar? Yeah, yeah, 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:56.080 what's the beach you're laughing about? New can Beach. That's 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:59.200 that's California. You're crazy, right, Therapy Can Beach, Beer Camp 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:03.440 Beach and a d dude recently shot. That's the time 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:05.880 I've ever heard of this. A man. Uh, he was 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:09.360 fined for this shot and killed a great white shark 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:13.520 with a twenty two rifle off Beer Camp Beach, over 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:16.720 five hundred pounds, over nine ft tall, nine ft long. 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:20.240 The guy only get so this is the international like 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:24.240 it's international conservation status of the great whitest vulnerable. The 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:27.440 guy gets only a five thousand dollar fine. Hold on, 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:32.280 are we playing that game right now? And it was 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:35.320 it washes up on the beach. People are like laying 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:37.120 down with it and taking pictures of it, and it 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:39.279 looks totally fine. But they did a knee cropsy on 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.120 it and had a and a guy that had had 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:43.480 shot at three times with a twenty two. He was fishing. 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:47.800 He's a commercial fisherman. Disney doesn't even lose his license. Uh, 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:49.600 shoots it three times with twenty two. One of the 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:53.760 shots separates the backbone. Hit hit it through the spine, 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:55.760 kills it. Washes up on a beach. They do knee 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:58.960 crops and find three twenty two rounds in it. Someone's like, oh, yeah, 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:00.920 there was a guy or like some squad fishermen are out, 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:04.080 they go and find him. They find the exact rifle 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:07.279 behind his seat, destroy the rifle and only a five 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:10.400 thousand dollar fine, two years probation, two years of probation. 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:12.920 He did get probation, he did two years from fishing. 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:15.640 Oh I didn't see that because we were being an 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:18.680 article recently in Ohio. They're they're they're harder in Ohio 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:24.480 for catching yellow perch than they are here for great 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:27.640 white sharks. There's been no yellow perch movies I've ever seen. 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:37.839 It's great. Instead of jaws, it's called little lips. I 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:39.920 want to talk about this case from it, this Ohio case, 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:43.880 because it was it's like, uh, this big poaching case 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:48.080 that came out. It's called why is it called the 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:51.039 north Shore north coast, North Coast, but it's the south 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:55.919 coast of Lake Erie where this occurred. Cover. Yeah. And 0:05:55.960 --> 0:06:00.400 it's like a case where poaching gets so bad that 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:04.120 they that it actually earns the term racketeering. The largest 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:09.000 poaching case ever for Ohio Department and Natural Resources. They 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:12.520 wind up it's racketeering. So they wind up confiscating ninety 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:16.360 six deer in Turkey mounts, thirty five sets of antlers, 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:19.919 two dred pounds of flayed sport fish, four hundred pounds 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:22.520 of dbone venison, and process dear meat. And here's what 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:26.320 it gets interesting is that the racketeering ring is a 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:28.479 whole bunch. There's like forty some people involved in this. 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:33.480 They shoot hundreds of deer, bone the meat out and 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:39.240 take it to what's the guy smoking team and have 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.839 over the course of investigation, they take two thousand pounds 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:45.560 of deer meat down and turn it all into what 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:50.920 they call smokey's, so like smoke sticks. The processor then 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:54.800 sells the smokey sticks and they use the money to 0:06:54.920 --> 0:07:01.160 buy to get their own ship stuffed. Is like this ring, 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:05.160 and so they're there, which earned them a money laundering 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:10.000 citation in there as well. Yeah, and communications fraud because 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:12.400 they would just shooting dear but then have like their 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:14.400 old lady called the deer in and act like she 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:19.520 got it, which makes it communications fraud and racketeering money. Yeah. 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:23.000 The smoking tease, he gets it for money laundering because 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:27.000 he's converting poached deer into smokey's, which I didn't even 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:29.680 know that term. They use smokey's in the article in 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:36.280 quotes one of these guys, he gets, uh, twenty two 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:39.280 months in prison. He can't hunt, fish or trap until. 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:45.760 I can't even do that much math um. Another guy 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:49.200 who in the same like racketeering ring, he goes out 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:53.920 and catches a bunch of walleye in lake Erie, takes 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:57.040 him in alive well, enters a walleye fishing context on 0:07:57.120 --> 0:08:03.120 the river when and then he gets fraud. He gets 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:06.360 fraud by their theft by deception and has to pay 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:10.280 the bait and tackle shot back their money. Another dude 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:13.520 get he sells to undercover agents a hundred pounds of 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:18.440 perch and Wally and bass Filat's two investigators. In all, 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:23.120 it's forty six defendants charged with ninety one felonies seventy 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:27.960 three misdemeanors, forty six individuals assessed to combine one hundred 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:31.000 and thirty one thousand, seven hundred sixty three and fines 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:36.800 and restitution eight point six years jail time, seventy nine 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:41.280 years of hunting revocation, and eighteen thousand in court costs. 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:43.439 These sounds like the dudes I grew up with, though, 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:49.959 but nothing ever having on It was like kind of 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:52.680 like the dudes my my dad fished with dudes that 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:57.920 would But John Garry I could say his names. He's dead. Uh. 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:00.720 One day he was like flame perch and he was 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:02.520 telling me how he the U was telling me about 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:05.880 where he sells his perch flats, and he said he 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:08.199 was telling me that whenever you sell him flays, he's 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:11.400 always got his thumb on the scale, and he says 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:13.880 the when you're buying something from him, he's got this 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:18.040 finger under the scale. But yeah, these guys like it's 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:21.080 like I remember this John Gary. He was right down. 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:23.800 He had a notepad and he'd write down every book 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:25.760 he read, and he'd write down what happened every day 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:28.520 he fished. And this guy would fit. Everyone likes to 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:29.959 say they fished two hund days a year. But this 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.599 guy would legitimately fish two hundred days a year, but 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:34.720 he lived by himself. There's no way to account for 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:36.360 all the pan fish he caught. And he was just 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:42.880 like a UM racketeer. We had to look up what 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:47.040 racketeer meant. We want to make sure that that applied 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:51.720 in this case. Yeah, it's like, uh, basically an unlicensed 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:58.520 business with the intent too kind of deceived. I guess 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:02.400 like you have a of crime business. Seems like we 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:05.800 got it really figured out. We looked it up, and 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:08.440 then uh, it's still gonna be one of those words 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:14.440 where you're like, yeah, racketeering. I don't I don't wanna, Yeah, 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:19.400 I know, I just like I'm like, who man, that racketeering? Um? 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.360 So we also got an email from a guy. It's 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:24.320 like like poaching takes different form and these guys are 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:27.480 obviously professional like a holes, right, But we got an 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:30.120 email from a guy recently. The guy like he got 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:32.000 in trouble or he thought he was gonna be in trouble. 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:33.719 So he's in an area we can only shoot a buck, 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:37.560 and he accidentally shoots an analyst. Deer self calls up 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:40.960 and self reports. So the game warrings like I'll come over. 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:43.319 So he's he thinks real fast and he's like, how 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:45.640 can I make this look as good as possible? So 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:50.200 he said he like dresses the deer skins. It scrubs 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:52.079 it down real good. So when the game warding walks 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:55.160 and it's like ready to present and the game warding 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:56.920 comes in, he's so pleased with the thing. The guys 0:10:56.920 --> 0:11:00.720 don't even get a fine nice Yeah, you like played 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:03.920 it right. Reporting. We're always they advocating on self reporting. 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:06.880 We get cool stories about people that do self report. 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:08.640 And when I'm not getting in any kind of trouble, 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:12.720 Um cayl, can you break down? Can you talk about 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:17.959 the Lazarus species that you just fished for? Yeah? Uh, 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:23.079 hunting cutthroat trout around Pyramid Laic. Anybody ever been over 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:27.160 there earlier? Four four people brought this up to me earlier, 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:29.880 like asking if I knew about it. There's a couple 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:32.679 of dudes in this room and are doing way better 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.800 than then we were doing. How many people have fished this? 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:41.400 What's the lake? Pyramid? Pyramid? Like everybody everybody fish very 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:47.280 well known, but this, uh I did see like as 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:50.760 far as like the lazarous effects. So Lazarus rose from 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:55.800 the dead. Jesus resurrected Lazarus after four dass. This is 0:11:55.800 --> 0:12:00.000 in the good book, the Book of John. I believe um. 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:06.120 And and now it gets like lumped into the scientific term. 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:12.199 It's called um Lazarus tax on. When something disappears from 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:18.360 the archaeological record, no not archaeological, uh goes extinct? Do 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:20.000 you think it went extinct? But it wasn't. And then 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:21.920 all of a sudden it pops back back up, like 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:25.440 the seal camp right, like armored fish. Um. That one 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:28.679 was rediscovered in the fish market in Africa, right, that's 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:33.240 where everything gets rediscovered, like that fit. That's interesting fish 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:36.760 because what they realized they everyone thought it was extinct, 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:39.680 or the scientific community thought that fish was extinct. How 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:41.959 do you say it? And I know Cela Camp, Cela Camp, 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:45.920 and the winds up that it was that they a 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.559 guy discovers it in the fish market and they were 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.800 using the scales you don't need, like get those shitty 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:55.040 little tubes to patch tires and grocery stores. And it's 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:58.000 got the tin that comes off, the lid that comes off, 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:02.080 and it's got a scratchy on it your bike tube. 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:07.440 They would use that fish as scale at tire shops 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:13.480 two rough up the rubber for patching, and so they're 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:15.559 using it for that and the rest of the world 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:21.599 thinks that they don't exist anymore. Oh the tire fish. Yeah. 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:27.479 And then uh, the black footed ferret was a Lazarus species. Yeah. 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:31.400 Everybody thought they were extrapated from the landscape. And then 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:33.400 all of a sudden, it's like, oh, yeah, look what 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:36.959 I ran over. So what happened in here mid lake? Okay, 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:44.360 So two strains of color um. One was kind of 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:47.880 the river cutthroat. One was the lake cutthroat, very much 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:54.000 paraphrasing here um. But there's this pilot point strain of cutthroat, 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:58.960 which is like the big big dogs pilot peak and 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:06.760 thank you. And that is so they found like bone 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:09.960 fragments where they estimated that these fish got up to 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:13.839 like eighty pounds cutthroat. Um, Well, I just cut throat 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:18.920 in the world, and uh, they market fish those things, 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:21.560 ship them all over the country at one point, but 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:26.160 fed you know, the big California gold rush, uh, giant 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:31.800 cutthroat going from Pyramid Lake down to San Francisco, and 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:37.560 then in nine biologists is out on a ranch, so 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:41.080 they wipe them out or presumably wipe them out, presumably 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:46.560 wiped out biologists out on this uh private cattle ranch, 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:51.720 private ground. And um, it's like, boy, this fish looks odd. 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:54.000 This is a different looking cutthroat. Were you just doing 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:57.440 a little nod you're doing a little nod towards private 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:09.600 lands conservation? Yes, I caught that. Yeah, thank you, I thought. Yeah. Um, 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:13.560 and uh, it takes five of these fish, takes them 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:17.800 in the lab. Holy cow, this is our extinct cut 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:23.960 throat trout. Um. And they were able to resurrect raise 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:29.280 from the dead, this uh hunting cut throat trout. Now 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:32.600 they're there are today. Yeah, I caught one. How big? 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:35.600 Like she'llmove your hands? How big? Uh? The one I 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:40.480 caught was probably about somewhere in here. Seriously. Yeah, but 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:43.120 you were with the dude that caught a toad. Oh yeah, 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:50.880 and that thing was like hitting probably probably Yeah. When 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:55.640 we we did away, it was eighteen pounds and guys 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:59.880 fish them off step ladders. Yes, that just doesn't like 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:04.640 it is. I don't just like it. I don't dislike it. 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:06.840 I like it, but I just it's a hard dude. 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:09.440 This is like a full Michigan thing. You would love 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:12.080 it is. These are like the race cars, like the 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:16.080 souped up race cars of step ladders. Are dudes drinking beer? 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:21.640 Are dudes drinking beer caddies? There's neck caddies. There's bass 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:25.800 seats on top of step ladders. So you go down 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:29.760 to the to the ramp, launch whatever, what have you? 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:32.920 The access point and dudes walking down the beach with 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:37.400 a ladder and a fish rode. Yea, did you do 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:41.320 this on a ladder? Yes? Did you wear a life vest? 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:45.400 I did not? I did get bucked off though, yeah? 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:47.400 Doesname it for a little diving board on the end. 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:52.360 There's a little wave action, a little floaty floaty arms. Yeah, bomit. 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:56.560 You're sinking the legs into the mud, yes, yea. And 0:16:57.480 --> 0:16:59.680 you're trying to get up fish? Are you just trying 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:01.440 to get up? Clear the water? Well a couple of 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:04.320 things like getting clear the water saves you from like 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:08.760 totally freezing your ass off and then um, yeah, you 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:12.000 know if the water clarities. I did see a couple 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:14.840 of fish like cruise and eat some midges off the surface, 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:18.919 which was awesome. It's like a seven pound cutthroat eating 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:21.399 the dry fly off the surface was But you're just 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:25.240 bobber fishing. Oh, full bobber fishing. Yeah, I couldn't be 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:27.520 called anything else. What do you mean a bober could 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:29.280 we could be called a strike indicator. I've heard it 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:31.800 call him. Well, it's only a strike indicator when there's 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:38.000 a strike Okay, the rest of the time, bob. Yeah, 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:41.160 it's like, you know, I always struggle with that because 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:42.639 we used to fish them all the time, and we 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:47.280 call them like bobber felt reductive. Yeah, it does. Strike 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:51.480 indicator felt pretentious, so we took to call them floats, 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:55.640 which felt like there's gonna be some combination like bob 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:57.879 indicator or something like that. Yeah, he's like, you're fishing 0:17:57.880 --> 0:17:59.720 to float, you know. It's like you're not dressing it up. 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:02.040 But they do not act. It's not like your kids 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:04.920 zep Co Rod. Yeah, not the dog on zep Co 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:11.320 gets people fishing. Uh. And then talk about the dude 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:15.680 you met. Oh yeah, man said my new best friend 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:22.399 wear this no no, uh, super cool old cager but 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:24.280 he kind of he's got one of he's souped up, 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:28.320 you know, sports car type step ladders. It's got easy 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:33.119 even got wheels. Sorry, this is a six ft step ladder. 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:37.600 What what are the wheels doing? Well, he's an older dude, 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:40.280 so the wheels make it easier for him to like 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:46.159 drag his ladder down the beach. And I had I 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:48.160 was freezing, so I had gone back to the beach 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:53.200 to do some some walking and uh and he kind 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:56.720 of parked his ladder, you know, twenty to the left 0:18:56.720 --> 0:19:00.639 of my ladder. What's like when you put a ladder 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:02.920 up how much? How much? The way it was explaining 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:07.720 me is like, you want, you know, thirty ft would 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:10.639 be great, but a lot of guys just fish fish 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:14.879 closer together for the bullshit and you know, sladder the 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:19.439 ladder conversation that's going up there. Yeah, And uh so 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:21.520 I went out there to grab my ladder and drag 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:23.840 it back in. And I was actually gonna go like 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:28.800 prospect some some new beach and Joe is like, what 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:30.880 are you doing? He's like, am I too close to you? 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:33.879 You want me to move? He's like, no, I'm just 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:37.560 gonna take He's like I'll move, Like, no, man, I'm 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:40.119 gonna just drag I've been standing out here for like 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:43.719 three hours. Well you should get back on there and 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.720 stand on there a little bit longer. He's like, and 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:50.320 I'll tell you another thing. I have no idea why 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:52.360 those people are cast in as far as they are. 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:54.800 The fish aren't out that far. The fish are right here. 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:56.960 He's like, I've already missed two in the time it 0:19:57.000 --> 0:20:02.000 took you to walk out here. I'm like, I can't 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:05.119 argue with that. He's like, seriously, stand up there, just 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:07.280 wait it out a little bit. He's like, the big 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:12.360 ones are gonna start coming out. And about six minutes later, 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:17.199 he's got an eighteen pound cutthroat. Yeah. And this guy was, 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:18.960 I mean, it was just amazing, right, this is like 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:20.960 his spot. I'm like, oh, you come out here often 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:29.160 every week day for twenty years. Oh huh, Like I'm 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:36.040 from Montana. Uh, I really dedicated myself to this for 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:41.600 six hours. Um, and uh yeah, I mean he was 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:44.800 just phenomenal. He's like, yeah, he's like, here's my flies. 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:48.440 Check him out. He's like, guarantee it's the same fly 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:51.600 as you're using. And he just had like this, I'll 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:55.240 help you out as much as as I can, and 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:56.760 there's still no way you're gonna be as good as 0:20:56.800 --> 0:20:59.879 I am at this. So it was just it was 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:05.800 awesome like this, it's phenomenal. Yeah. Yeah, that that go 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:09.679 against uh the John gear Rock maxim that I like 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:11.800 to quote is that when it comes to fishing, there's 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:16.000 the people you're with and then the assholes. Oh now, 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:19.080 and I'd be just layed at myself and everybody in 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:22.160 this room if I wasn't like when I heard this 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:27.119 like step ladder with wheels on it coming down the 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:32.840 Rocky Beach, I wasn't kind of like, is this jackass? Yeah? 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:39.240 But it turns out, Uh, super nice guy? Um did it? 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:44.000 I mean, explain everything? He's like, Nope, those bugs don't 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:46.040 exist here. Those bugs don't exist here. This is what 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:50.560 happens in this lake. This is how cold the water is. Um, 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:53.479 this is exactly why I wasn't standing down here freezing 0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:55.280 my ass off all day and why I came down 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:58.960 right now and just like went through the whole thing. 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:05.680 Was like trailhead diplomacy is ladder diplomacy, step ladders, step ladlomacy. Yeah, 0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:10.440 be like Joe, good dude. Uh, what'd you guys take? 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:12.600 Someone wrote in about this, what's you guys take on 0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:19.479 the habit of the practice of naming your rifle? This 0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:24.359 guy is observing that he thinks it's extremely childish. Really, 0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:28.280 I think Daniel Boon. I think Daniel Boone. I'm not 0:22:28.359 --> 0:22:34.200 mistaken his what's called tick liquor? Tick liquor. That's yeah, 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:40.880 that's one letter away from offensive. Maybe it's just got 0:22:40.920 --> 0:22:48.960 spelled wrong. Childish. Yeah, Since then, historians have been baffled 0:22:48.960 --> 0:23:01.040 by what. You can't lick a tick too small? These 0:23:01.080 --> 0:23:04.560 things get out of hand quick. Who do want someone 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:10.159 licking your tick? I've never named one, but you know what, 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:13.960 my my my halibate rod has a name, but it 0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:16.520 came with the name. The guy that made my halibate 0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:20.119 rod named it the Widowmaker, which is like weird because 0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:23.119 you don't think of like when you catch a halibit 0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:29.000 that you've now like there's another one down there, like 0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:32.240 all bumed that you caught that one. I was gonna 0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:35.280 go up, How do you ever talk to it? I 0:23:35.320 --> 0:23:37.080 feel like that's where it gets weird. You're like talking 0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:39.280 to it using its name. No, and I do it 0:23:39.320 --> 0:23:41.320 like kind of ironically when I say I'm gonna grab 0:23:41.359 --> 0:23:43.600 the Widowmaker. Yeah, but I think if you start talking 0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:45.199 to it, that's where it gets kind of kind of 0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:48.040 caught bullshit on that because I've been fishing with you 0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:54.400 and you're like, no, no, no, widowmaker's mind. They're they're 0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:59.800 widowmaker will get him. You fish confidently, and that is 0:23:59.840 --> 0:24:07.320 the widowmaker. Uh you honest? You have named a rifall Yeah, several? Yeah, 0:24:07.760 --> 0:24:09.240 like what kind of like you know what call it is? 0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:12.800 What it is? I do that as well, like you know, 0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:18.840 like my one gun or whatever. The most recent one 0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:20.239 that had a name that sucked for a while, I 0:24:20.280 --> 0:24:22.920 sold it, but it was a three hundred short mag. 0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:25.720 The first one that I owned is soon after they 0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:27.840 came out. I got caught up in the hype of 0:24:28.119 --> 0:24:31.480 three D short mag, did I? Yeah, it's a great 0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:35.400 round And it was all black synthetic gun and had 0:24:35.720 --> 0:24:38.880 the steel on it was black. Um, you're not gonna 0:24:38.920 --> 0:24:42.720 say something real offensive, are you. But it was the 0:24:42.800 --> 0:24:48.240 same time, come on, it was the same time that 0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:53.119 killed Bill. Those movies were coming out, very good movies. 0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:57.440 You remember the scene where I can't remember the name 0:24:57.760 --> 0:25:03.920 the snake and handel hand on, Yeah and yes, and 0:25:05.960 --> 0:25:09.679 the actor that opens up the briefcase full of money 0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:17.800 is Michael something. Yeah, thank you Mattson And some cinophiles 0:25:17.840 --> 0:25:21.480 out there tonight. He gets bit right, and he gets 0:25:21.480 --> 0:25:24.840 bit again. And and as he's getting bit and struggling 0:25:24.880 --> 0:25:27.680 on the floor, and as the Black mom is poison 0:25:27.920 --> 0:25:30.440 is getting to him, they don't. They don't. Hannah proceeds 0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:34.280 to read like a little know that she has about 0:25:34.359 --> 0:25:37.480 like how venomous the black Mama is and how a 0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:42.320 strike anywhere to the upper torso will cause imminent death. 0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:45.720 I believe it's how she says it. Well, man, that's 0:25:45.800 --> 0:25:55.199 kind of like my so. I called it the ye 0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:58.159 you're gonna say. My guy's name is Darryll Hanny. You 0:25:58.160 --> 0:26:05.000 ever take so I named it Daryl d h d 0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:09.480 h Um. Yeah, So black Mama was a name, Yeah, 0:26:09.520 --> 0:26:14.560 black Mama. Yeah. He stacked him up. Man worked for 0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:19.359 this outfitter. Uh. And he had one named rifle. It 0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:24.280 was a three mag whin Chester mag the better of 0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:30.280 the two if you're comparing him. Uh and uh. That 0:26:30.480 --> 0:26:38.120 rifle's name was Birdie, and it was its own entity. 0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:40.679 And he'd always be like, yeah, old Birdie and I 0:26:40.720 --> 0:26:45.439 were out, and it's like and I turned to Birdie. 0:26:45.920 --> 0:26:51.440 Was was Birdie? Was Bertie ever out? But he wasn't out? 0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:58.000 I was back home with Birdie. But I've never found 0:26:58.119 --> 0:27:02.040 like an approach, you know, impressionable kid working for your 0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:06.639