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Speaker 1: Soft Prep Radio on Time onto Target. First of all, Jim,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe that this is episode four hundred. It's

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Speaker 1: the first time, uh, and and dell what we're gonna

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Speaker 1: extremely private, and you've talked about it like you kind

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Speaker 1: So for me, for many years, like like we were

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Speaker 1: started working on my autobiography. Of course, Dale, you got

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Speaker 1: not a chance of whatever. But deep inside we have

425
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 1: all kinds of skills that goes unnoted. And I think

426
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 1: I think the world that I'm in at least is

427
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 1: starting to catch up and realize these that we have

428
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 1: leadership abilities. They do want to hold you down to them,

429
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,399
Speaker 1: not back, but because one of our things, if we

430
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 1: get a hold of something, we'd like to think our

431
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,879
Speaker 1: teeth in it and run with it. And we have

432
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 1: to get that team concept with people that are used

433
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 1: to Hey, I showed up for it today. So yeah,

434
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,439
Speaker 1: it's totally different. But I think we're getting better. So Jim,

435
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 1: as as I mentioned earlier, because I do want to

436
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 1: get into this for those who don't know, the two

437
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 1: of you have a ton of history together Dale and yourself.

438
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 1: I'd love to notice the origin of that, how did

439
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,439
Speaker 1: you guys meet, How did you guys are training together?

440
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 1: Let me let me start. Let me start with that, right,

441
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 1: So here's I'll give you how I actually began. So

442
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 1: back in uh Um, I had come back from s

443
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 1: Maya and my son at the time was four years old.

444
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,880
Speaker 1: He was just freaking in love with the ninja turtles, man,

445
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: I mean, he wanted to be grew up to be

446
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 1: a ninja total, right. He loved the karate stuff. And

447
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 1: so it sounds like, so I relate to that fully. Yeah,

448
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,640
Speaker 1: So he wanted to so he wanted to do martial arts,

449
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 1: you know. And I had a growing up in the

450
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 1: martial arts um, you know, and so I had a

451
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 1: background in it. But uh so I decided, well, let

452
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 1: me find him a school to go to. So first

453
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 1: I took him to the y m c A. Right,

454
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,679
Speaker 1: they had just you know, taekwondo class in there, and

455
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 1: basically it was a daycare, right, all the little Johnny

456
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 1: was running around, nobody was paying attention to the teachers.

457
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 1: Ended up there doing his ballerina moves but nobody was.

458
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 1: Nobody cared and the parents would drop the kids off

459
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 1: and leave and go We'll do whatever they're gonna do

460
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: for an hour, right, and I just was chaos and

461
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 1: uh and it usually is when you have a bunch

462
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 1: of three or four year old running around classroom with

463
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 1: Nolk super doll supervision, you know. And so anyways, I got,

464
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 1: I mean right there from that yf c A, I

465
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,919
Speaker 1: walked over to got on the pay phone, on a

466
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: pay phone because out of looking we had cell phones

467
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 1: at that time, I remember having win. So I called.

468
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 1: I called another guy as a mutual friend of Jim's

469
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: and me and Jim and uh, I said, dude, I said, Uh,

470
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: I said, where can I go to, you know, from

471
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: martial arts training from his son, you know. And right

472
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: away he just told me about Jim West's. Man, you

473
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: gotta go to Jim West school. Flah blah blah blah

474
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, you know, and and uh he's sang

475
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: the praises. So then I turned around. I called Jim

476
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: at his school and he's like, yeah, open, come on

477
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: down right now, you know. So I grabbed my son

478
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: with the car. We go to the school right and

479
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 1: I walking in and there's like maybe ten or fifteen

480
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 1: kids out there on the on the floor and I

481
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 1: got these padded like whiffleball bass, right, and they're beating

482
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 1: their ship out of each other. Right. They're just going

483
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: to town and they're laughing and having fun, but they're fighting, right,

484
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: and they're using weapons and uh and so you know,

485
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 1: like wow, you know, Jim's like, yeah, come on in,

486
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: you know, and basically threw my kid out there in

487
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:29,959
Speaker 1: the fray, you know. And he was got there swinging

488
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 1: to you know, and I could tell he was that

489
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,360
Speaker 1: joined himself. And I said, Okay, now this is more

490
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 1: like what I'm talking about. You know, we got we

491
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: got real contact down here. You know. This is these

492
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 1: kids are fighting, you know, this is what I want

493
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 1: for my kid, you know. And so Jim and I

494
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: had talked about it, and I said, okay, man, you

495
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 1: know what if I'm gonna bring my son here, hell,

496
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it too, you know, why don't I.

497
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: So we both started coming to gym and started our

498
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,199
Speaker 1: training with Jim West and uh, man, we're training with

499
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: Jim for a long time. My time my son was seven,

500
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: he got his first to be black belt from Jim. Um.

501
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: I probably got miner at the same time, I think,

502
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, we man, we stayed with Jim

503
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: for as long as I can remember, man, until you know,

504
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: we moved our different you know, I had to move

505
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 1: on and move out of Fable and Jim moved on. Um.

506
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,479
Speaker 1: I actually went up in Virginia. So um, that's how

507
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: it all kind of got started. And uh, you know

508
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 1: the interesting thing about Jim West the first so after

509
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: I met you in west Right, it was it was

510
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: I went home and literally had nightmares about this guy's

511
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, it was I had a nightmare about

512
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,959
Speaker 1: Jim west Right because I heard all the stories, right,

513
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I heard all the bar fight stories that

514
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: Benny Gains, you know, like my life, and he really

515
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: was and you know, it was legendary, and I thought

516
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: Polish ship. And I went home that night and I

517
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 1: remember this wasn't gonna be sound really bizarre, but I

518
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,199
Speaker 1: dream just he grabbed my wife and kissed her, and

519
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, whatever you want to do, man, just

520
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 1: just don't bunch things. It was it was dark because

521
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: I've never been a guy like Jim. We that when

522
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: people ask me about Jim West, I said, Jim West

523
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: is like a modern day wide Er. Man. You do

524
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 1: not want to get the gunfight with him because you

525
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 1: don't freaking lose. I don't care how many guys is

526
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 1: you know. So you know, that's how we kind of

527
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 1: got started. And uh, you know, Jim West is one

528
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: of those guys. Man at least that back in the day.

529
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 1: You know, either you didn't you either you liked him

530
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: or didn't. People didn't like him, didn't like his bluntness. No,

531
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: he was straight up and told you what he thought.

532
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: You know, he wasn't. He didn't care about your village,

533
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 1: you know, and if you could, he had them skinned.

534
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: You know. He didn't give a ship. You know, it's

535
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: like whatever, I don't eat you around me. So, um,

536
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: that's kind of how we got started. And uh, and

537
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: I'll never forget my my christening, I guess if you will.

538
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: So I told you. I told him one day, man,

539
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 1: I really want to get into kickboxing, you know. I

540
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 1: want to go out and put people in the face

541
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: and kick him and stuff, you know, And I want

542
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: to really do that. And so he uh, you know,

543
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 1: and Jim will just let anybody chiach is not to

544
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 1: train anybody to fight. Um, you really gotta have the

545
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 1: heart to do it. Wise he's not gonna waste his time.

546
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: And so at the time he didn't have any fighters

547
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: except for me, and uh, I would't even fighter he

548
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: in fact, I just wanted to. I just wanted to fight.

549
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: So we got there spar on one day in the

550
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: in the classroom and he commences to tell me. He goes, okay,

551
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: just don't punch me the face. And it explains to

552
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: me why right, because he had a car accident. He

553
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 1: had wires in his face when you know, and uh,

554
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: you know, want to hit in his face and damage

555
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: his face. Said okay, so we're rather getting on and

556
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: basically something happened and I lost focus and I hit

557
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: him right in the face right, and I'll never forget.

558
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: Time slowed down down, man, it was like and I

559
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: could see everything happened in the slow motion. Throws the

560
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: left chat but he doesn't throw it right at me.

561
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: He throws it right across my face right, so it

562
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: kind of temporarily blocks my view of the overhand right

563
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,479
Speaker 1: that's gonna come in right behind it, right, So as

564
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: it comes down like a curtain, it comes overhand right

565
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: and it hits to right and cheek and I swear

566
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: to got it was like somebody just stuck my finger

567
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: into wall socket. Man, it felt like I bolt. The

568
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: lightning went through my whole body, my knees crumbling. I

569
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,959
Speaker 1: fell to the floor, and I wasn't unconscious. It just

570
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: felt like, man, I just got you know, I just

571
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: got for a moment paralyzed, you know, and uh joep

572
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: Beckham feet put my hand back up. Got it starts sweeen,

573
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: he goes, Nope, nope, nope, he goes. You had enough,

574
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: he goes. You just don't know it yet. You know,

575
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: he was probably right because I was probably still on

576
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: a queer street walking around trying to figure out which

577
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: has happened to me? But it was that moment, I

578
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: guess the that that moment he realized that, uh, I

579
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: was gonna get up and keep fighting anyways. I wasn't

580
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: gonna quit. And and from there on we went. You know,

581
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: that's when he got me going, and he started getting

582
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: on the road and started all these you know, starting

583
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: to all these fighting, all these matches and stuff across

584
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: uh cost America. So that's kind of that's how we started. Yeah,

585
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: it was a lot of fun, you know. Uh And

586
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: by the way, Dale is my most senior currently my

587
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: most senior Black belt in the American Extension Fighting as well.

588
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, came up and uh, we

589
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: promoted him based on his experience and tenure on what

590
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: he brings back continually brings back to the martial arts

591
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: world based on his personal experiences too. Because there's no

592
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: rules to the martial arts game, we don't put restrictions

593
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: on the American Extension Fighting. So a few years ago

594
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: he was promoted to sixth gree black belt, and since

595
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: that time, the American Extension Fighting was actually sanctioned, uh, Dale,

596
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, but through Jerry

597
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: Pennington and back to Japan. So now it's a actually

598
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: something akin to Bruce Lee's Wing Chung. It's the same

599
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,959
Speaker 1: group of cast of characters from back in those days

600
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: that have sanctioned our system now. So it's legit. Yeah,

601
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: you know, Jim, the system is in an eclectic system. Um.

602
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: You know, unfortunately a lot of systems out there there too. Uh.

603
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: They're very purist in their form and they're limited, you know,

604
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: And we saw that in the early days of the

605
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: UFC fighting, where you know, um, you know, the Gracie

606
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: Brothers just dominated everything because nobody really had a good

607
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: sense of ground fighting. You know, wrestling has has certain

608
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: kind of rules, um, where the grapperator, the jujuicy grappler

609
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: was dominating the wrestlers, you know, and then the striking game, etcetera, etcetera.

610
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: So it wasn't long you guys started figuring out that

611
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: they need to have a broad range of skill sets

612
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: UM to be an effective fighter. Not only do you

613
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: need to know how to grapple, but you need to

614
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: know how to do long range techniques punching and kicking. Uh.

615
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: You know Jim would call vertical wrestling where you're in

616
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: tight um you know, and then taking people down center, etcetera. UM,

617
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: So you know, to be a well round the fighter,

618
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: you've gotta have skills both standing in on the on

619
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,239
Speaker 1: the ground. So UM, the extension fighting is basically that

620
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: kind of a system UM in his form. But what

621
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: it does is, UM, it takes tools from the best

622
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: tools from the different systems that puts them in the

623
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: toolbox so to speak. Right. So, UM, what you know,

624
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: Jim always says what works, work right, so you know

625
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,959
Speaker 1: if it works and use it right. And so basically

626
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: in my and what I have done over the years

627
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: that I've actually taken a lot of stuff that we

628
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: do in the martial arts, and now I've related to also,

629
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: for example, tactical farms training. Um, if you ever come

630
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: to with my tactile firearms courses, UM, you know there's

631
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: a there's a reason, biomechanical reason, everything that I do

632
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: on the physiology behind I talked about the psychology behind

633
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: combat shooting, um fighting, and uh, basically I put it

634
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: all together. You know, there's some guys out there and

635
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: I've heard of saying, uh, you don't need to know

636
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: how to throw a punch, you just need to know

637
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: how to punch a guy in the face and get

638
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: it over with. Now, there's actually there's actually mechanics behind

639
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: punching that if you understand those mechanics, you're much And

640
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: Jim can explain that because he taught me how it works.

641
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: And uh, you know there's there's a roll in the fish,

642
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: locking the elbows, roll in the shoulders, tighten and fist

643
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: stuff at the last two two inches of the punch.

644
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's certain mechanics and if you follow those, uh,

645
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: you know, you can make a weak person very strong person.

646
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: In fact, we had a girl Judy and Judy was

647
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,479
Speaker 1: an Air Force captain and uh, I'm telling you right now,

648
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: that girl could freaking get it on. Man. She wasn't

649
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: very big, but I mean I would have chuckled because

650
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: she would literally beat guys into tears. But I mean,

651
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember they we had those

652
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: two weirdos that came in and they were meditating in

653
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: the back, and this other kid comes in and he said,

654
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: I just want to spar and probably five eleven hundred

655
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: sixty pounds, and I said, Judy was already geared up

656
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: and said, well spar with her, and uh, Judy to

657
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: kill her Mayren. You know, she kicked box. She fought

658
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: on USA Tuesday Night Fights. She was the very first

659
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: UH Air Force navigator female and she's driven and uh

660
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: in fact her her cousin wasn't her cousin that was

661
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: on America's Most Wanted. She took us home one time

662
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: because he had killed somebody and cut him up with

663
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: a chain insaw. Claim the chainsaw. I went on about

664
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: his business. But but anyway, she she gotta starts to

665
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: move around with Judy and she just pops him and

666
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: knocks him straight to the floor. You know, he was like, oh,

667
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: you got me sparl with a girl just you knocked

668
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: him down. You know, it's like that's uh you know,

669
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: one of the things I learned from you, Jim, and

670
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: from sparring with you is you know what what Dale

671
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: was saying is that it's not about just like throwing fisticuffs.

672
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of tactics and even strategy behind

673
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: hand to hand combat and what you teach. I mean,

674
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: it's a thinking man's game. So interestingly enough, Jack helped

675
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: to co write my autobiography, which is been stalled for

676
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: a while, and uh I came up with this base,

677
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: you know, this template for a business plan which will

678
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: include by the end of next year, YouTube channels and

679
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: things of that nature, all geared towards largely self defense

680
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: and how to train even in your home, regardless of

681
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: your size, male, female, age, injuries, working through all that stuff. So,

682
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: uh I started writing a fight book. So I wanted

683
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: to get a couple of books out faster and you know,

684
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: build an audience. So I it's based on real fight stories,

685
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that you heard before you ever

686
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 1: met me. They back in the old bar room, brawls

687
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: and begin agains and all that other good stuff down

688
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: in Panama, down in Panama. Yeah. So so I'll take

689
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: ten or twelve fight stories and then our original system

690
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: is designed around twenty three technical fight principles. And uh,

691
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: actually I'm rearranging the fight principles and some may be blended.

692
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: But what I did right, what I did wrong while

693
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: I'm wearing so many scars, uh, you know, from from

694
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: from the Cradle to the Grave on how you can

695
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: train in an eight foot space in your home and

696
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: be effective walking down the street, you know. And basically

697
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: the overall theme is to be here to turn a

698
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: defense into an offense. It's not just in the street,

699
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: but it's also in corporate America, you know, in a boardroom.

700
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: So I went out and hired uh Charlene. She's a ghostwriter,

701
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: creative writer, master degree in literary something. But uh uh

702
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: and so just you know, so one thing for sure

703
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: is Jack was always gonna be my first coast ghostwriter,

704
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: and and acknowledging probably everything I do. I got the

705
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: I got like the first draft of the book done,

706
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: and she can take it from there. I'm sure she'll

707
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: polish it and make it much better. Yeah. So so

708
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: I'm just re energized and uh but but all the fight,

709
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: you know, the mechanical development, psychological development, and technical expertise

710
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 1: even to identify what type of fighter each and every

711
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 1: person is, you know, because you know, dale you're getting rings,

712
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: some people run, some people charge right at you, you know,

713
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: and you have to develop a strategy for each and

714
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: every one of those types. And it's not difficult if

715
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: you have the tools, and we're gonna give everybody the tools,

716
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 1: you know. I I learned a lot about Jim West

717
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: after I met him. So I'm actually good friends with

718
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: General Remomo Butler. We tired Remote Remo Butler and uh

719
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: so Remo and Jim were running buddies in Panama, So

720
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: I learned, I heard a lot of the stories about

721
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: those two wild guys. Um. But and then I met

722
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: actually I met Remo at the four Brack Boxing Jim

723
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: started boxing there with him, and then we did some

724
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: videos together with Jim and and so forth. But anyways,

725
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: you know, we've always you know, we've all still been

726
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: kind of been touched over the years. And uh, well,

727
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: I want to say one thing real quick. Uh on

728
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: another note, you know people, you know, I tell people

729
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: all the time, I'm the amalgamation of many people, but

730
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: particularly five people with the good and the bad, you know.

731
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: And there's five people, five men in my lives that

732
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: really have influenced a lot of who I am and

733
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: what I do. And that's obviously one of his my father, UM,

734
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: my uncle, my German uncle, my grandfather, and uh believe

735
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: it or not, uh Jim West and Gary O'Neil are

736
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: my mentors as well. So everybody had a role in

737
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: my life. You know. Gary O'Neill was what I called

738
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 1: my military mentor. I met him early in UH eighty

739
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,959
Speaker 1: three out to camp and call. He was the hand

740
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 1: to hand combat and trucks instructor in seriar school. Um.

741
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: You know, I heard heard a lot about him and

742
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: Jim West and uh Jonas and others, and these guys

743
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: were like legendary green rage, you know. And now of

744
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 1: a sudden I get to meet Gary O'Neil and hand

745
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: to hand pit one morning. We didn't know who he

746
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: was was in any second works at the time. And

747
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: he comes out and um, it's freezing cold, and he

748
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: takes a bicycle spoken jamsled through his neck and he

749
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: sticks another one through his arm. You know, he starts

750
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: hanging full water buckets off of him and start spinning around.

751
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: He lays out of the ground and dw roods over

752
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 1: with a quarter ton of gee, I'm like Jesus Christ,

753
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: you know, and he buysically got up there to that

754
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: and started explaining to his hou it's all in your

755
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: mind and stop being assistant, you know, and Jesus all right.

756
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: And so from that point on, I realized, Man, this guy,

757
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: you know, and I had heard all his Vietnam stories

758
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: and and uh heard a lot about him, you know,

759
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 1: And so he became kind of the over the years,

760
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: the guy that kind of model myself as or thought

761
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: of myself as as a soldier. You know. I'm not

762
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: saying I might anything like him, um, but he was

763
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: someone that I looked up to. I aspired to be,

764
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: you know, a guy like him because as a soldier,

765
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: because he was legendary and uh, he had that mindset.

766
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 1: You know, That's exactly what I wanted as a young soldier.

767
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: Man is I wanted. I wanted man to show me that,

768
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: you know, stop crying because you got bicycles, spoke Jim

769
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: through your neck. You know. Those are the kind of

770
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: guys I want to teach me to lead me. You

771
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: know those guys I want to follow, you know, um

772
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: and so, and then I met Jim West and Jim

773
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: west is you know basically he's been my my martial

774
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: arts instructor, you know. And I always tell people that,

775
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: you know what, irrespective what you think of Jim West, Um,

776
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: you know, you know, and not not to mean anything

777
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: mean negative by that, but you know, you don't go

778
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 1: to Jim west Ford learning how to be a man,

779
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: or morals or anything else. You go to Jim West

780
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: because you want to learn how to fight. If you

781
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: wanna know how to fight for the bad guy on

782
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: the planet, you want to go to Jim west If

783
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: you want to learn how to take people outside to the

784
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: the silence that you take out with a knife. Go,

785
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: you gotta go see Gary O'Neill. You know, these are

786
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: guys that are good at their arts, you know, in

787
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: their skill sets, um and so. And you know a

788
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: lot of times people will um, guys will go, you know,

789
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 1: they'll have personal issues with training with somebody right because

790
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: well you know whatever, you know that the morals are

791
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: in line with their or whatever it is. You know,

792
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: he doesn't Comba's hair the same way you would like it.

793
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, but uh, you know, you gotta you

794
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: gotta understand. You you go to people for what they

795
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: can do for you, you you know, what can they give you?

796
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: Like Jim West. You know, look, I become this guy

797
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: and I like to think I'm a pretty good fighter,

798
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: especially these days. I'll crush some hands lately. Um, I'm

799
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: not afraid of nobody, you know, And I'm pretty damn

800
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: good at what I do. And and I can only

801
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: thank Jim West for that because what he taught me,

802
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: what I learned over the years, UM has given me

803
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: that confidence to go. Literally, I can walk into any

804
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: bar anywhere, anytime, and I could be sick as a dog,

805
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 1: and I'm fearless. Man, I'm not. I'm just not afraid man,

806
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: end up because I know I can. I can handle

807
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: myself and I'm not gonna lose. But you know that

808
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: comes from you know, when I go to train with people.

809
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 1: It's not only the training. Okay, you can learn skill

810
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: sets all day long, but what you what you have

811
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: to have as a mentor that can teach you the

812
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: mental skill sets to cope right this, coping skills And

813
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: that's what it comes down to, you know, so you know,

814
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: my father gave me the coping skills for life, you know,

815
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: from dealing with just you know, life in general, you know,

816
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 1: and how to how to deal with that kind of stuff.

817
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: My uncle taught me stuff, you know, my German uncle.

818
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: He taught me how to swim, He taught me how

819
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: to dive, you know, all kinds of stuff, you know,

820
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: at a very young age, you know. And then my

821
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: grandfather and then of course Garry and jam So you know,

822
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: these are my five guys in my universe that I

823
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: would say the reason a lot of who I am,

824
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: you know, And I said in the beginning, I'm an

825
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: amalgamation of many men to get in the bad right.

826
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: So I've learned a lot of unless from bad guys too, right, Um,

827
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: you know, like how to do bad things and and

828
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: how not to do bad things. So, um, you know,

829
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: and it's that it's that collective that has created this

830
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: person that I am today. Um, you have to be

831
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 1: a perpetual student in life. Um, you have to keep learning.

832
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 1: And one of the things I always tell my students

833
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: my best teachers, my best teachers are my students. Um,

834
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: when I'm teaching, I learned I learned from them, And

835
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 1: that's how I grow. Um. You know, there's no you're

836
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: never an expert until you're dead. Um. And so that's

837
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: how I see life. So that's when I look at

838
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: guys like Jim West. You know. That's why I had

839
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 1: no problem bringing Jim my my son and my daughter. Actually,

840
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: my oldest daughter came a few years later, and uh,

841
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: and I told both of them, I said, look, I said,

842
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: if we start, you go to the end. There's no

843
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna cop out halfway through. I'm tired. I want

844
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: to do something. I'll know. It's like going to school.

845
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: You're gonna started, you're gonna finish it. And so my

846
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 1: son ended up getting a second agree black belt through Jim.

847
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: My daughter got a second gree brown belt, and then

848
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: she wanted to be a high school cheerleader. And so, man,

849
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: was that ever disappointed. But you know, she tried to.

850
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: She convinced me, how you know, it's a it's a

851
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's athleticism, dad. You know, you had

852
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: to be an athlete, you know, to jump up and

853
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: flip around the air and stuff like that, you know.

854
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, yeah, I get it, you know.

855
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: And so her boyfriend. Actually her boyfriend was one of

856
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: Jim students also, right, And I did never knew this

857
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: was Adrian Peterson's nephew. They played for the gents. Yeah.

858
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: So this little kid, right, it was in school with

859
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: us the whole time. I never paid attention to him.

860
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: I had no idea who he was until he was

861
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: like sixteen, and he comes roaring up and buying a

862
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: new black Camaro, you know, pretty boy, and uh and

863
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: it's been it's her high school boyfriend, right and so

864
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,439
Speaker 1: um so this kid, you know, I mean they were

865
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,439
Speaker 1: both like the you know, captain the varsity football team,

866
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 1: captain of varsity cheering team, homecoming king and quit the

867
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: whole nine yards, right, I didn't they lift it up,

868
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: you know? And uh so I mean this so this

869
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: kid was actually part of Jim West School as well,

870
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: and I never knew that until later on in life.

871
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: But it's probably a good thing now because he actually

872
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: respects me. Um. He finally might have married my daughter

873
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: and I basically told him and he played. But by

874
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: the way, he also played for the New England Patriots

875
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: yet and the Eagles. Right. He followed his brother's footsteps,

876
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: and he's a pretty big boy, he's a linebacker and uh,

877
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: I pretty much cremated Claraton when he married My daughter said,

878
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: don't care how big you are, I will beat your ass.

879
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: And you know that right because you ever heard her, right, sir.

880
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: He's very humble at very just very yes, sir, He's

881
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: actually been very good to my daughter. He's actually a

882
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: really good kid. Um. But anyways, uh, you know, you

883
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: know it's just it's about man. You just gotta sometimes

884
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: you just gotta find people that you know, that you

885
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: that you know you can trust and that can mentor you.

886
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: And like I said, my kids trying to train with

887
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: Jim and and uh if you know Jim and in

888
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: a lot of ways had a lot to do with

889
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: Bill and not on their their fighting skills. Good my

890
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: daughter and all those das second brown belt, but she's

891
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: pretty bad ass, yeah right, Jim. She would beat them

892
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: kids up all the time because she would laugh about it.

893
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,919
Speaker 1: She'd be giggling, man should go around kick the kid's

894
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: head off. Man, she'd be like like he But she

895
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 1: built their character too, you know, in a lot of ways.

896
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: So you know, martial arts training for kids, I think

897
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: it is a great thing, um, But if I had

898
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: to throw a cautionary note out there, and anybody's listening

899
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: to thing about involving the kids and martial arts, be

900
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: careful where you take your kids because there's a lot

901
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 1: of schools out there that will get your kid hurt

902
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: because they're gonna teach your kids stuff that does not

903
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 1: work okay, and the kids will go after He's gonna

904
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: be super confident. He's gonna get his ass handed to him,

905
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: and he's gonna get hurt. Um, go to someone that

906
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 1: really knows what they're doing, really understands the fight game.

907
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: That's why I went to gym because I knew Jim Man.

908
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: I know Jim has been there in the trenches. Um, Jim,

909
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: I don't know what you got, like six D street fights. Yeah,

910
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: we've been quite a few through the years. I got

911
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: the scars to prove it. Yeah. So yeah, you know,

912
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: I heard about Jim one night. I'm not gonna name

913
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: the bar, but he goes in there and this is

914
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: the funny story about Jim. Right, So if you go

915
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: to Jim school, it's it's man, it's this is you

916
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: know kids are everybody's just throwing down and there's no

917
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: there's no tappy lovey dovey stuff. Man, you go in

918
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: there slearn how to fight, and uh I got, I

919
00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: got some great story. I have to give you one

920
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: more after this one. But uh so, Jim, you know,

921
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: he had a bad reputation, started getting reputation. It's being

922
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: just too tough on everybody, right, And Jim realized he's

923
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: running a business, and he's got to probably be a

924
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 1: little bit more business like, you know, you just can't

925
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: go into this, you know, gang fights in your gym

926
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: every day and call that, you know, business. So he

927
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: got so he gets all dressed up and he goes

928
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: to he still goes to the bar, right, so he's said,

929
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: going to go out to the bar, but they quite

930
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: clean up completely. He goes into some A couple of

931
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 1: guys recognize, asked Jim, that's Jim West. And the first

932
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: guy who takes a beer ball smashes over his face,

933
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: cutch his nose off, another guy sucker punches. Before you

934
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: know it, Jim and five other guys are laying in

935
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: the and I let Jim tell that story. But they're

936
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: laying in the emergency room together, you know, on the

937
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: gurneys next to each other, you know, licking their wounds.

938
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: But uh um, but he was a funny story. And

939
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: now let Jim take over. Man. So my my ex

940
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: x x x x x. That's what one of the

941
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: early ones, one of those. I can't which one ither

942
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,959
Speaker 1: which one? How many times have you been married married Dale? Hey? Four?

943
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: Less than five? Damnit not. Nobody's judging. We're in the

944
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: trust tree and we're in the nest. Man, you gotta

945
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: have at least two divorces. And you know. Uh but anyway,

946
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: if my my ex wife is going to school and

947
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: one night she went on training with Jim, it was

948
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 1: kind of like a ladies class, I guess, and uh,

949
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: she tells me that. What happens. So this guy comes

950
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,919
Speaker 1: in know Jim, and they're they're old friends and and Jim,

951
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: being the kind of guy us I've seen him do

952
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: it right there, come in and he'll welcome you to

953
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: this class. Hey, man, he'll introduced you to everybody. This

954
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: is my friend so and so you know it. And

955
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: he'll bring in man you like your family. So he

956
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: invites the guy to come up to the front and

957
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: he going, hey, come on up here and trained with us,

958
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: you know, and you know you could be my demonstrator

959
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: in my AI, you know, be part of the family.

960
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: So the guy does, and then Jim's practice some some

961
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: wookie is some kind of a move, and this guy

962
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: all of a sudden like loses his mind and starts

963
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: resistant to the point where it turned into combat. Right,

964
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: And the guy didn't get it that it was just

965
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: like a demo. We're gonna do a demos demonstrate to

966
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: move for the class, and this guy just kind of

967
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: like lost his mind and it turned into a fight. Right,

968
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 1: So all the all the ladies moved out and before

969
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 1: the big circle right at another edge of the classroom,

970
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: like oh my god, you know, and and they're out

971
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: there fighting and Jim's beating ship out of this guy, right,

972
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: And so Jim jumps back and he goes, okay, boy,

973
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,479
Speaker 1: this is fapers line boys and girls like, okay, boys

974
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: and girls, And this is what knock gonna looks like.

975
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: Roundhouse kick to the guy's nose, BLUs his nose up

976
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: and lays him out on the carpet. Right, he's unconscious,

977
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: he's laying there. Jim walks back to the front of class. Okay, boys, girls,

978
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,720
Speaker 1: line it up. Everybody gets back out of the carpet

979
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: lines it up. They started practicing the game. The guy's

980
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: playing in there, right, and he even move it's by

981
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: started crawling off the carpet, called into the back, calling

982
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: the bathroom right. He stayed at bathroom till the class

983
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 1: was over. Everybody left and Jim was sitting behind the

984
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: desk and he the guy comes out. He goes, hey, Jim, sorry, man,

985
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: I don't know what got into me, and Jim man.

986
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: Jim like, hey, you learn a lessons but yeah, okay,

987
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: cool man. You can't take it personal, right, Yeah, but

988
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: I think it's cool. I didn't even think about it

989
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: at the time, but I did have a room full

990
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: of people, a classroom. I was a teaching event. So

991
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 1: when I got him where I wanted in position wise,

992
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: I just looked at all the ladies. I said, and

993
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: this is what a knockout looks like. And I do

994
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: that little fake flipka pop put. That was end of it.

995
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: You know, well, I feel like, you know, when you're

996
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 1: a gym west or at Dale Comstock, there's it's gotta

997
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: be like you ever see that movie It Man with

998
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: Donnie Yen, where it's like there's people coming to you

999
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 1: all the time. Like master Rip, I got this new

1000
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: move I want to show you, or they just want

1001
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: to challenge you to a fight all the time. Yeah,

1002
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 1: I mean Dale, I'll tell you ain't coming to uh

1003
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 1: club all the time. I put out like if somebody

1004
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: you know, because it was so much controversy in those

1005
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: days day ll if you remember, uh, you know, with

1006
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: all the rest of the guys in the public, I

1007
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: just kind of told people. I said, look, if somebody

1008
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: comes in my club and what's my ass? We're playing

1009
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: five thousand bucks and people came in, Well, you put

1010
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: a back and when you put a bounty on your

1011
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,919
Speaker 1: own head, at that point you're you're asking for it. Yeah,

1012
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: but they came in Dale. Dale waxed a few. Judy

1013
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: took a few. Remember when Rod remember Rod Miller came

1014
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 1: in at the end of his first class. He didn't

1015
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: know a ship from China. And he goes, all right,

1016
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: we're getting ready to walk out. And good friend of

1017
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 1: Dale was, I guess you're still good friends. He's a

1018
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: great guy. And uh he he says, I want to

1019
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: spar with you, and I go, what classes over? Come

1020
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: back tomorrow? No, but I want to spar. Now I'm

1021
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: like Okay, Bomp knocked him down halfway out, he gets up.

1022
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: I thought that would be good. I want to go again.

1023
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is wrong with this guy? But but

1024
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: he turned out to be quite the athlete, right, yeah,

1025
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: actually did. I'm still friends with him. I actually lived

1026
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: out in pama Um. But yeah, guys would come into

1027
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: the gym and it was like it was like gunfight

1028
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: the Okay corral, right, guy wire walking with all his

1029
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 1: buddy you know, or like in a food movie. You know, um,

1030
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: you know I couldn't food is better? You come foo?

1031
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 1: You know I want to fight. You know. Jim will

1032
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 1: give an optic how do you want to do it? Gloves?

1033
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 1: What do you know? What? He rules? What do you want?

1034
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: You know? And then they go out there to Jim

1035
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: would just freaking way later the guy you know, like bull,

1036
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: get it over with, you know. It's like, jeez, right

1037
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: another get him out of the cut. The guy people

1038
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: were walking and want to fight me. A lot of

1039
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: times Jim would would say, look, you're not fighting me.

1040
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: He goes, I'll tell you what you can start with

1041
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: that guy, right, you know, so he's sick them on me, right,

1042
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: and then he take Jim we'll taking the corner. Go

1043
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,959
Speaker 1: listen to this guy and in in our club, he goes,

1044
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: I want you to go out and just beat his ask,

1045
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: but don't do it. Do it right away. You know,

1046
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: Let's go like two or three people work out, let's

1047
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: text some moves, you know, and they go ahead and

1048
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: get it, get it over with. So you know, and dude,

1049
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 1: not one guy ever stayed around UM. In fact, the

1050
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,439
Speaker 1: whole time that trained over the years, UM, the only

1051
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: guys that you know, stay there were committed to fighting.

1052
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: You know, in earnest was me and Judy may Man UM.

1053
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: But you know that was it, man. Nobody else just

1054
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: didn't have the will man just to stay and it's

1055
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: it's he took a top of good game, but to

1056
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,720
Speaker 1: have the heart to stay there and really keep training

1057
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: and learning and take the pumps and bruise to go

1058
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: with it. A lot of guys that don't have the results.

1059
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: I was talking to a friend of mine recently and

1060
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: he was telling me about the UM in Japan, the

1061
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 1: sword masters, and I'm sorry I don't have the terminology right,

1062
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: but the different schools of sword fighting UM where you

1063
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: have grand master sword fighters that they're all the youngest

1064
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: guy in these schools now is like fifty because the

1065
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: young people they're just not, like Dale was saying, they're

1066
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: not willing to go through the torture. I mean, you

1067
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: have to to become a grand master in some of

1068
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 1: these forms, you have to have a hundred wins under

1069
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: your belt, um, and practice fights. Not to the death,

1070
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: of course, but um, no one's willing to do it.

1071
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: And I mean that's is that a real problem in

1072
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: martial arts that curtails um these schools. And I guess

1073
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: knowledge and teaching and passing some of these things on.

1074
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: You know, that's a good question for a number of reasons.

1075
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: At the root of everything, the reason I created the

1076
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: American extension fighting is precisely because of what you know,

1077
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 1: the americanized version of traditional you know, taekwondo, show to

1078
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: con whatever kind of karate, it's all you know. Bruce

1079
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: Lee used to say it was crammed and distorted, right,

1080
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: So they were the the techniques are limited and restricted

1081
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: to that style of that system. And then I've got

1082
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: good friends like you know, Roger dad Mee, you guys

1083
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: met he runs ce K, one of the finest fighters

1084
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: and instructors on on Earth. And uh, he can't ever

1085
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: get a student body up over about a hundred and

1086
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: fifty people because kids grow up, they get old, they

1087
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: lack loyalty. They they what they just said, you know,

1088
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 1: crowd McGraw is better than this, and they're always trying

1089
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: to scalp each other's students. Uh some people run out

1090
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: of money. You know, Dyale knows that even if you

1091
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: couldn't afford it, I'd still train people, you know, just

1092
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: I wasn't a good business man, but it's pretty good trainer.

1093
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: Well that's kind of what I was alluding to, is

1094
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: that there's a difference between the business and teaching at

1095
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: a high level, right, it's huge. Uh So, So basically,

1096
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: the this particular style or system that I've created is

1097
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: designed that no matter where you are, what you learned,

1098
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 1: I utilize it to fill a gap, you know, like

1099
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: in any so if you're out there trying to struggling

1100
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: on your own and you're trying to you know, make money,

1101
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: make a living doing what your passion. Because most of

1102
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: the teachers, most of them, it is their true passion,

1103
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: they just can't, you know, because of a number of reasons.

1104
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: They're just a high high turnover rate in the karate clubs.

1105
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: Very few are like Dale or Judy. They just I mean,

1106
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 1: they just come in from day one and they five

1107
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 1: years later, twenty eight years later, we're still you know,

1108
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: having this conversation about training and where we've been, what

1109
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: we're doing. We're still have that loyalty. So that's a

1110
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: lifetime experience. Like the Japanese guy right, Uh even who's

1111
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: one of those guys, he's probably eighty five years old.

1112
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: He's down in d C. Now, I met him in

1113
00:53:56,120 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: seventy five and uh the Berlin, uh eas European Championships

1114
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: and all these great fighters and still doing it today.

1115
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,919
Speaker 1: But but all these commercial martial arts club they've got

1116
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: to have something to keep people, and you can't do

1117
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: it by beating them up every day. So we're giving

1118
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: them an alternative curriculum and it can be modified or

1119
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: adjusted to any week spot or gap in your training.

1120
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: Like we don't grab it, we don't wrestle, we don't

1121
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: kickbox whatever it is, we don't use traditional boxing footwork.

1122
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: You can add that to include improvised weapons and on

1123
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: out to traditional weaponry and shooting guns, because that's martial

1124
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 1: arts to beyond in my opinion. But one of the

1125
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: things I'd love to see YouTube guys work on together

1126
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 1: is reinventing, and I know there are some people who

1127
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: do this. They do there's a course down at four

1128
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: BRAG that I think it's pretty good training, but teaching

1129
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: soldiers like practical hand to hand combat where you're in

1130
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: full kit. You know, a lot of these guys are

1131
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 1: wearing the plate carriers are wearing like ninety pounds of gear,

1132
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: fighting with all that crap on a helmet, rucksack, even

1133
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: through weapon that very like combative um. That's for the

1134
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: modern infantrymen, the modern operator. I'd love to see you

1135
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,760
Speaker 1: guys work on something like that. Yeah, I mean, we both,

1136
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: I think do that. The first time you have mentioned

1137
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 1: that to me right after I met you, in fact,

1138
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: when I was in the car and we had an

1139
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: interview and I thought about it. So I've already visualized

1140
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: and conceptualized and put a lot of it on paper. Uh.

1141
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: You know, I based a lot of things on a

1142
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: few instants that I've happened I was aware of in

1143
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: the past, and a few some statistics like you know,

1144
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: most cops get killed with their own gun. They look

1145
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of a lot of door kickers

1146
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: in the urban environment and there you can attest to this.

1147
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 1: When they turn a corner and bump into something, they'll

1148
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: lose their gun and it becomes a hand to hand.

1149
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: And most firefights are very close range nowadays more than ever. Yes, actually, uh,

1150
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: you know, so I had the opportunity when I was overseas. UM.

1151
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: I had a group of guys that, uh there were

1152
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: Afghans and you brought we would consider them basically the

1153
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: best of the best of the best, the best of Afkhans, uh,

1154
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: their tier one kind of guys. But I had a

1155
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: opportune of these guys and I ended up starting a

1156
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: martial arts program hand a hand program for them, UM,

1157
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: and I had had the budget for it. I bought

1158
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 1: him everything. I built him a gym, I bought all

1159
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: the best equipment. I mean, I bought everything from no

1160
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: spence expense spared. And I remember I told these guys

1161
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: and said, look, um, some of you guys have an

1162
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: interest in this stuff. I said, I'll make you know.

1163
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: I'll be available for training every morning. You can come

1164
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 1: if you want. If you don't want to do this, um,

1165
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: you know, you go do some other pt or whatever

1166
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,919
Speaker 1: you want to do. Well, for eighteen months. Every man,

1167
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: every man came to every training session every day. And

1168
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: it wasn't like, you know, I trained him just the

1169
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: way I was trying to trained. You know with Jim,

1170
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: it's like there's no we're not gonna be nice to

1171
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: each other, not gonna be taking it lightly moving up

1172
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 1: in our how to fight right. And so these guys

1173
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: would go in there and first of all, you know,

1174
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: just think of this, these are Afghans. These are you know,

1175
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: village people, man farmers. You know, they've never done martial

1176
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: arts before. Um, it was funny as ship watched them

1177
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: in the beginning and just do it trying to do calistetics.

1178
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: You know, they can't do jump and chats. You know,

1179
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: they're just goofy and uh and now I'm gonna trying

1180
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: to train with martial arts. But to their credit, um,

1181
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: within eighteen months, these guys went from you know, one

1182
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: of Jerry's kids to man, these guys were you know,

1183
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: they were pretty badass. We'd go out on operations and

1184
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: their conference was so different. Um, they will go out

1185
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: and just man handle freaking Uh. You know, bad guys.

1186
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: You know, if if they didn't kill them, um, they will,

1187
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: they will they would get very aggressive with these guys.

1188
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: And I mean I didn't teach them just to punch

1189
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: people and kick people. They learned at all grappling, They

1190
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: learned weapon retention, weapon disarming, they learned to control tactics,

1191
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: search techniques, you know. I mean, we come the whole

1192
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: gamut and uh, man, the difference in their their combat

1193
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: effectiveness was like night and day. Um. Suddenly they were

1194
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: emboldened without a weapon to go use their hands and

1195
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: they were like a group behindenus. Man, it was just

1196
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: one guy would take him down the whole mob. Which

1197
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: you handle these dudes, you know, and uh, one of

1198
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: the best stoids I've got. Um, you know to what

1199
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: Jim was saying about the weapons we tentioned part. So

1200
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: I trained these guys back in two thousand three. So

1201
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: after I had one guy walked up to me. I'll

1202
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: never forget his name, Mohammed Khan Um. The guy was

1203
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: just kind of really a shady looking character. And uh

1204
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: he apparently who was a shady character before he joined

1205
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: a group. Um, you know, he's a thief among other things,

1206
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: but just everything about very quiet. One day he walks

1207
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: up to me and he asked me some questions and

1208
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: uh and then uh. The question that was presented was

1209
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: what do you do if you come around the corner

1210
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: and a guy grabbed j AK forty seven? You know?

1211
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: And I do you? What do you do? You know?

1212
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 1: And so I showed him the techniques that basically the

1213
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: technique very simple. All you're gonna do is pull your

1214
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: weapons straight back to you. Just use all your weight

1215
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: pulled back towards you pulled him like you pull a rope.

1216
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: What happened is that weapon in that barrel will line

1217
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: up center mask with the guy that's holding the barrel,

1218
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: and he pulled the trigger and to shoot him right.

1219
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: It's just that simple. There was no magic to it,

1220
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: you know. And so um a few years later I

1221
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: came back to that camp and this guy, Mohammad Khan,

1222
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: he's always like a shark man. He's always walking around

1223
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: the circles smoking a cigarette, looking at the corner. But

1224
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: I never said nothing. Man, very quiet. If I he

1225
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: walks up too and he's holds a cigarette, he goes,

1226
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: you are a good instructor, and I go, okay, cool,

1227
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 1: thanks man, appreciate it, and he god, no, no, you are,

1228
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: And then he proceeded to tell me what happened. So

1229
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: he was coming back from Jelalabad and he was going

1230
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: up to a back along the Kunar River and he

1231
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: was walking to his A K forty seven. Because we

1232
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: let them keep their weapons when they went home on vacation, right,

1233
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: there were a lot of cure your guns. Well, he

1234
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: got jumped by three guys and the first guy grabbed

1235
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: his rifle and tried to basically pull it off him.

1236
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: And what did he do what I talked to do.

1237
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: He shot the guy's center mass three times, killed the

1238
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: bloom and drop. The other two guys turned around ran

1239
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: he shot both those guys too. So he whacked all

1240
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: three dudes, right, and it up in jail, and jail

1241
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: all about it and we had to similar are guys

1242
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: that I don't know, one of our guys trading to

1243
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: do this you know, self defense and they let him go,

1244
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: you know, so it was kind of cool. I thought

1245
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: it was a great story because he actually remember what

1246
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: I taught him and he applied it and he's you know,

1247
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: saved his life. So, um, there's a there's a call

1248
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: for that, you know. One thing about training guys with

1249
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: with with equipment, Um, you know, it's it's crawl, walk, run.

1250
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: You know, you can't just go out and start training

1251
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,439
Speaker 1: with gear on. You know, we're about talking about trending

1252
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: way you fight. Um, if you put a guy in

1253
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: all his kids, his helmet, his body armor and his

1254
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: LB and his weapon and you're starting the fundamentals and

1255
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 1: all that gear, you know what it's gonna happen. His

1256
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: more motivation to go down sucks, you know, So you've

1257
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: got to teach him the basic skills first. And really,

1258
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: really Gymer will tell you you know, in fact, he

1259
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Speaker 1: uses the term all the time. You know, advanced techniques

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01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: are the basics masters, So you gotta learn how to

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01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: do the basics. You know, the basic punching, the you know,

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01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: how do you rotate your ad You know your punch

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01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: comes from your ankles and not you know, from your shoulders. Um,

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01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: understand certain principles and then you can done your gear

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01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: and as long as you apply those principles. It may

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01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: feel a little cumbersome, but as long as you can

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01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 1: apply those principles, even the gear on, then you should

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01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 1: be able to execute. So's there's a process to it,

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01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 1: but there's no there is no overnight solution for the

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Speaker 1: combatis um everybody wants it hot now, they want it

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Speaker 1: easy and they don't want to get hurt. Um Man,

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Speaker 1: if you want to, if you want to learn how

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01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 1: to fight defend yourself, it's not gonna be it's not

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01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: gonna be overnight. It's not gonna be hot, you know,

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01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 1: and stocking the overnight you're gonna have to pay your dues. Yeah,

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01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: it's just like anything else in life. So one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite videos on YouTube, and I'm gonna link it

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Speaker 1: in the article for this for the corresponding episode on

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Speaker 1: software radio dot com. A lot of you have seen it.

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Speaker 1: If not check it out, it will be on the article.

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01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: Is Jim, you and del at that bar training together

1282
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: a much smaller delle com stock at the time that

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01:01:58,280 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: when people see it, they're like, holy sh it, I

1284
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: can't believe that's the video where Jim is showing how

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01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: to punch a dude with a fucking wine bottle open

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01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: or a little corkscrew. So take take us back to

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01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: that day and recording that video, because you kind of

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01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 1: replicated that with Jack a little bit more recently at Mt.

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01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: Oloni's with a training video. But this is what I

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01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: get thrown across the room. A few times. Yeah, this

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01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: is super old school. We're talking like what mid nineties here. Yeah,

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01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: well the let me get into that. But real quick

1293
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: to follow up on the question are the comments about training,

1294
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 1: you know, you know, combat arms soldiers and close quarters combat.

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01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 1: Similar story. But Honduras and I keep looking every day

1296
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: at this caravan and of people. They're all great people.

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01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: And if you remember I wrote that article, never underestimated

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01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: the bad guys. We're doing a CIA mission down and

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01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: Uhuras and you know, training their commandos and and we

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01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: had to give them everything like like Dane, you just said,

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01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: the best of the best, you know, sniper training, door kicking,

1302
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: and when we got more advanced into our advanced basics

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01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: as that described as, we would go out with all

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01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: their weapons, boots like the old army, uh LB E water,

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01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: you know, dressed for combat and we'd run like a

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01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: shuffle twelve miles and then we will come in and

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01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: do door kicking and we would do hand to hand,

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01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: you know, like ten second drills and everything's full tilt.

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01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: So it's it's not just a building up process, but

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01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: it's also a vetting process because you don't want to

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01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 1: give that skill to God is ever gonna quit. I'm

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01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 1: sure you can agree to that. Damn Well, yeah, that's why.

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01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: You know, Special Operations guys go through selection and I

1314
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 1: remember I had one guy telling me he actually ran

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01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 1: the selection course for the unit, and he was saying,

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01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:57,919
Speaker 1: you know, part of our process is what we're doing

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01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 1: is we're trying to make sure that you know, say,

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01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:03,959
Speaker 1: Jim's is the same as Jacks, because if you don't

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01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: do that, then I'm quitting while you're still going strong,

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01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 1: and then you end up with this lopsided effect inside

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01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: a Special Operations unit, which obviously you can't have and

1322
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: I gotta have balances the board, right. So but anyway,

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01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 1: back to that videotape is our first uh we're training

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01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: together and Bob Pierce from uh TRS Tactical Response Solution

1325
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 1: reached out to me, got my name through I don't

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01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: know who, and I wanted to wanted us to come

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01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: out and put together right right the own curriculum for

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01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: the DVD and what we're gonna do. So we kind

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01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 1: of took parts of the training that we do on

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01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 1: a day to day basis, and I tried to apply

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01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: some real world fights, like guys hitting me and they

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01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 1: have a beer bottles. Obviously a lot of a lot

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01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: of the scenes occurred in a bar, and uh, some

1334
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 1: of the very simple basic tactics. They look simple and

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01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 1: they are simple, but straight up and down the center line.

1336
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 1: You know. I used to call it the ear, eyes

1337
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: and nose doctor, you know, so if you and of

1338
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 1: course that carries right down to the diaphragm, that growing

1339
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,479
Speaker 1: nuts slaps and stuff. So this is a video where,

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01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, you were shown how to put

1341
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 1: razor blades on the top of a ball cap so

1342
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: you just like take it off and slap the guy

1343
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: in the head with it, like you just like pull

1344
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 1: it off your head and just I don't I don't

1345
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 1: think this is on the YouTube video though, I think

1346
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: because it's on the DVD. Yeah, the YouTube video is

1347
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: a much shorter version of a large Well, we were

1348
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 1: just working and it's kind of funny because they all

1349
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, but my my thoughts are you gotta

1350
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 1: have a little contact to give it a real effect.

1351
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: So you know, we're actually doing nuts slaps and yeah,

1352
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 1: which people love. If you look at the comments section

1353
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 1: on there, they're like, he really hits his nuts. At

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01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: three fifty two in the video. We did a scene

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01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 1: in a local um, a local restaurant like a state restaurant,

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01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 1: bar typnic and uh there and this was for this

1357
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 1: was for the second one. We did remember that Underground

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01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: Street Fighters Association. We had remote butler, their general butler,

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01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 1: and we had Judy there and it was me and

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01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 1: Gym right, the four of us, and uh there was

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01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 1: a bar scene. So the bar scene basically me and

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01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 1: Judy We're gonna play this, you know, couple that were

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01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: arguing at the bar. And then Remo would come up

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01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 1: to good sub marriedan and like, hey, you know guys,

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01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: you know, no arguing, no fighting, be nice, you know,

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01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, he was kind of like interfere in the

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01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 1: do best see you know, dispute right and then and

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01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 1: then basically the swift was she and I were basically

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01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 1: kids asking business, right, and so so we we had

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01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 1: these beer bottles and we made out of candy glass

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01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 1: right now, Hollywood, you know, break the bow bottles, bud watcher,

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01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: which was kind of cool. So we had these cool

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01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 1: props and so what was gonna happen was, um, Judy

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01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 1: was basically if I remember right, I think she kicked

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01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: him in the balls and then he would bend over

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01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: and then I would take the beer ball smashing over

1377
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 1: his head right remote or general Butler. If you guys know,

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01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 1: he's a big dude. He's a bench pressed like five

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01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 1: pounds or something, like a strong guy. Yeah, yeah, and

1380
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: he got a big hand, been big neck man. And

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01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 1: so my job was once he brands over, is to

1382
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 1: break this beer bottle over the back of his head,

1383
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 1: so she kicks him in the balls he flips over.

1384
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 1: I grabbed the beer bottle, and I guess my aim

1385
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 1: was off a little bit and show rather than hit

1386
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 1: him in the hand of the beer bottle, which was

1387
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 1: gonna break, I basically he had a hammer fist across

1388
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:29,959
Speaker 1: the back of the neck. The bottle broke in my hand,

1389
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: and my fist basically broke over the back of his

1390
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 1: head and knocked him over the floor. I mean, I'll

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01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 1: way later like oh ship, you know. So we played

1392
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 1: it off for hire, but we had a few of

1393
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 1: those kind of stutts, you know, the cole times. You know,

1394
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 1: the contact got a little heavy, like with gen over

1395
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 1: to the growing in other places. But it was a

1396
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 1: lot of fun, you know, and we still look back

1397
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:50,439
Speaker 1: at those days. I still look at those big baby ds.

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01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 1: You know, Um, that was good training, a good times. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I've never met General Butler myself, but whenever it comes up,

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01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,919
Speaker 1: people will always say General Butler, man, I could bench

1401
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 1: has like fifty pounds. His men really respected him. And

1402
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 1: then when it's just funny, how it comes up in

1403
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 1: like random conversations I have with people, and the name

1404
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 1: Smokey comes around and people are just like fucking Valentine

1405
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 1: and it's cobra skin, cowboy boots that was a Moore constrictor. Yeah,

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01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 1: General Butler, we have a pretty extensive history. And I

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01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 1: mean I knew him since he was a captain, a

1408
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 1: team leader, and before that he was he and uh

1409
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 1: while Bill Billy Crane were best of friends and they

1410
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 1: were learning how to box and fight together with the

1411
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 1: predecessor to a chainas was guy Savelli. You know. So

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01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 1: it's just and then there was a chainas so we

1413
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 1: all have common roots and it's just reality based. Like

1414
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 1: Michael A. Chenis was a guy I had heard about,

1415
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, I think I'd read about him and soldier

1416
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 1: of Fortune magazine back in the nine eas when I

1417
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: was a kid. Wow, I mean, he's a he's an

1418
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 1: interesting character do you want to talk about him a

1419
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:11,759
Speaker 1: little bit. Uh, So, Mikey Chonis and uh Dale's mentor

1420
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 1: Garry O'Neill and Chuck Saunders and Chinas died under mysterious circumstances.

1421
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 1: They they were teaching over in the Old Engineer, you know,

1422
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 1: a cross bragg That's what I ain know, which is

1423
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 1: uh ancient Korean art of soft tissue ripping and tearr

1424
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:34,799
Speaker 1: And they felt that between that stalking techniques and century

1425
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 1: take out, there's you know, because a lot of the

1426
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 1: stuff is done with your hands, not necessarily striking with

1427
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,600
Speaker 1: with a fist, so you know, because part of the

1428
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 1: philosophy if you hit with your fist and you break

1429
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 1: a finger, you can't pull a trigger. So it's very

1430
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 1: geared to ancient Asian martial arts with definitely killing and maiming.

1431
01:09:56,720 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 1: So you know, the theme is to fight an ape.

1432
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:05,560
Speaker 1: So Gary and uh Chuck Sanders and uh uh I

1433
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:08,680
Speaker 1: Chona's I think we're kind of tied tied to the

1434
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 1: hip for a while, and uh there are other people

1435
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 1: as well. But they got out of the military at

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01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 1: one point in time and went to uh Uh Nicaragua

1437
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 1: to be Samosa's bodyguards and to work for him. And

1438
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:26,719
Speaker 1: you know this is all alleged because I wasn't there,

1439
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 1: but no people that were, Gary and uh, you know,

1440
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 1: they were doing a lot of operations, killing a lot

1441
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 1: of people. And I guess Dale that they were warned

1442
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 1: that they should get out of the country. And Chuck

1443
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 1: Sanders and Mikey Chona's got on a plane a day

1444
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 1: before Uh O'Neil and them, and that plane got up

1445
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,720
Speaker 1: in the air just over the Nicoagua, you know, the

1446
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 1: boy of the Nicaragua, and it exploded, So they were killed.

1447
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:01,679
Speaker 1: That was into that and uh, I guess Chonasan left,

1448
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,599
Speaker 1: not a chon. Neither of them left within the next

1449
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 1: day or two. So there's there's nobody knows. I don't

1450
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 1: think that this day why that plane ever exploded or

1451
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 1: how they knew that they should get out of the country.

1452
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 1: But to a point, it sounds like a setup. I

1453
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 1: don't know, Dale, if he's told you anymore. Uh, that's

1454
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 1: about all I've heard. Um, I don't know any more

1455
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 1: of that. But his wife was cut up and killed

1456
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 1: and her head was put on a mailbox while he

1457
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,879
Speaker 1: was in country. Garry, Yeah, yeah, Gary, So Gary O'Neill

1458
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 1: are like, people are listening to this, You don't know.

1459
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:40,679
Speaker 1: He has an autobiography out also. I believe it's called

1460
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 1: American Warrior. I read it when it first came out.

1461
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:46,719
Speaker 1: I mean suffice to say Gary's led an interest in life.

1462
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: I mean he was alerp in Vietnam. Um that all

1463
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 1: kinds of interesting ship. Yeah, allegedly dropped out of school,

1464
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 1: stole someone's idea, and uh entered the army to Vietnam

1465
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 1: at fifteen years he was under age and it wins

1466
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 1: the Silver Start. Yeah. Yeah, he got kicked out his

1467
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 1: first his first stint in the military because they discovered

1468
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 1: he was underage. And he came back in I guess

1469
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 1: when he was eighteen. Yeah. Mom, his mom worked for

1470
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 1: the draft board apparently, so he went to the first

1471
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 1: time he went in, and he went under his cousin's

1472
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 1: birth certificate, who was older. Got got discovered, got the

1473
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 1: bootle and he was already combat wounded and all kinds

1474
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 1: you can put in a bunch of fire fight and

1475
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 1: Got threw him out again and then said you never

1476
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 1: will join the military again. And he's like, yeah, watched

1477
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 1: me and his mom worked on the she worked on

1478
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 1: the draft board. I guess he imagined talking in, uh,

1479
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 1: working some paperwork and gettinghim back in so he you know, man,

1480
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:43,640
Speaker 1: he's you know, this this guy who's dedicated to his

1481
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 1: whole life, to the military, you know, to our country,

1482
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:50,760
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, very cool dude. Uh you know,

1483
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 1: I run into him every now and then. But uh,

1484
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 1: you know, he's getting older, but he's still a badass. Man.

1485
01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: Jim can tell you that last time I heard her,

1486
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 1: big Guy, he was in a corporate he was working

1487
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 1: at one he was working at one of the strip bars.

1488
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:08,680
Speaker 1: He's a bouncer and and I think you're the way

1489
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 1: we told me Jemmy pulled. He pulled some guy out,

1490
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 1: pop popped his eyeb out, eyeball out of his head. Uh,

1491
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 1: they passed him up. Yeah, that was his first that

1492
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 1: was his first night. So needless just say they they

1493
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 1: had to let him go. But a couple of guys

1494
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 1: started some crap and slaps the guy in the face,

1495
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 1: pulls his eyeball out. Garry O'Neil is one of those guys.

1496
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 1: He knows like all these like esoteric forms of martial arts,

1497
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 1: like we like you were saying, like ripping and tearing

1498
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 1: and like weird stuff that most people. I don't. I

1499
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 1: don't think I've ever heard of. And by the way,

1500
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 1: I looked up the book that Jack was referring to,

1501
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 1: which you're correct, it's American Warrior, The true story of

1502
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 1: a legendary Ranger came out and I don't know if

1503
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:50,640
Speaker 1: it originally came out. That sounds about right, okay, so

1504
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 1: much later, you know, on in life, and it's written

1505
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 1: with David Fisher, so you can check it. He's also

1506
01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 1: a inductee into the Ranger Hall of Fame. On with

1507
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 1: another past guest. Uh um uh, what's it, imagine, mad

1508
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 1: Mike Mullen. I must have been before my time. It

1509
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 1: was it was a while ago. We should have him

1510
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 1: back on. Sometimes I swear I there's things I remember

1511
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 1: and things I don't remember. I can remember because it's

1512
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 1: funny that word. You know, it's episode four hundreds. It's

1513
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 1: appropriate to say I remember every single person interview on here.

1514
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 1: I really do so, like it just doesn't ring a

1515
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:25,680
Speaker 1: bell that so it has to be before my time.

1516
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 1: It has to be really early on. There's no one

1517
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 1: though that I interview, even if they're not the most

1518
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 1: memorable guests that someone's like, did you ever interview. So

1519
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 1: and so it always I don't know. Mullins memorable. He

1520
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 1: served in all three Ranger Battalions, Regimental Headquarters and was

1521
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:47,600
Speaker 1: an r I at Ranger School. Yes, Max Mullen, thank you. Yeah,

1522
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 1: a good friend of mine. Yeah, he's a good dude.

1523
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 1: Yeah he's a good guy. Yeah, another big boy. Yeah

1524
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 1: he's Actually he's actually turned out to be quite the actor. Man. Um.

1525
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 1: I remember actually I met him at the at the

1526
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame induction. I think he was was he

1527
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 1: getting I came he got inducted by it. That's why

1528
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 1: I met him. Yeah, And uh, and I told him

1529
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 1: that I was doing in Hollywood and uh and I

1530
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 1: asked him, I said, hey, would you thought, you know,

1531
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 1: would you like to be a part of this one

1532
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 1: movie making a zombie movie? You know? And uh he

1533
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 1: rodgered up to it and we brought him out there,

1534
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 1: and uh, I'm actually it was quite surprised how well

1535
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 1: he did. Man. There was there was a scene that

1536
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 1: we do it when the movies where he basically it's

1537
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 1: killed by the zombies, right, and then they pulled his

1538
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 1: guts out and stuff, you know, and which required him

1539
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:35,640
Speaker 1: to do a lot like screaming and you know, and

1540
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, which you know, unbecoming of a Ranger.

1541
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 1: But man, he pulled it off pretty good. You would

1542
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 1: think they were really pulling his guts out, you know.

1543
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 1: And then and then it was all over. We looked

1544
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 1: at each other, go, damn, now we killed off the

1545
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:49,600
Speaker 1: black guy. Now what do we do we needed for

1546
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 1: the other series. And then the directors like, yeah, she

1547
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 1: didn't think about that. He goes, well, you go, well,

1548
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 1: we'll figure out how to bring him back to life.

1549
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 1: You know. Of course they did so. But he's playing

1550
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 1: in almost all the movies that we've made so far. UM.

1551
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:05,599
Speaker 1: That one of them actually coming out on Amazonson UM.

1552
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:08,680
Speaker 1: I think it's being published right now on Amazon. Um.

1553
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 1: It's the first one. It's kind of going out as

1554
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 1: an introductory type film. Um. And then there's about five

1555
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:18,520
Speaker 1: more on its heels, um, Texaszombie Wars and Zulu six um.

1556
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 1: And so you know you'll see you'll see more Max

1557
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:23,639
Speaker 1: out there on these shows. But he did pretty good

1558
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 1: man for Old Ranger. Many. Uh. He's a good dude. Man.

1559
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 1: He learns in the adapts, you know, and he plays

1560
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 1: a good part. So a good guy. Well get good guy. Yeah,

1561
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 1: he's a good guy. Had on this show for sure

1562
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:39,640
Speaker 1: if he was on on the Alan West show as

1563
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 1: well up there. One time I met Alan West out

1564
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 1: in California after the failed helicopter crash and uh for

1565
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 1: Discovery Channel and talking and then Alan asked me, you know,

1566
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 1: we after got talking to a while, He's like, man,

1567
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 1: I'd like to have you on my show. So I

1568
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 1: went up to the show a couple of days later

1569
01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 1: and he had me on there, and then he moved

1570
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 1: that show to Watchington, d C. And I was telling

1571
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 1: about Max and uh, I told me it would be

1572
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 1: a good fit, you know, to bring maxim here because

1573
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 1: you know, look, let's face it, managers, you know, I'm

1574
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:12,640
Speaker 1: not don't call me racist or anything, but you know

1575
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 1: Max is you know, he's a he's a black ranger. Um,

1576
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 1: he did very well for himself, got inducted the Hall

1577
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:19,719
Speaker 1: of Fame, you know, and uh, he's a good example

1578
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 1: for a lot of minority kids, you know, and uh,

1579
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 1: good role model. And I thought it meant he'd be

1580
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 1: great to have honor with the kind named Alan West,

1581
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 1: who's also a great role model, you know. And uh,

1582
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:31,600
Speaker 1: I thought it would be a good show. So he

1583
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: ended up on there and uh, he did wells as

1584
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 1: of course, but he's a good guy man. I like Max.

1585
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:40,679
Speaker 1: He's solid. Colonel West was it was a really nice

1586
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 1: guy at the times that I've met him, um over

1587
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:45,679
Speaker 1: at Serious X. My story with him that I thought

1588
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 1: was kind of cool was prior to ever doing Soft Wrap,

1589
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 1: I was following the case of Michael Behenna, um you know,

1590
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:57,799
Speaker 1: who was stationed in Fort Leavenworth for interrogating a terrorist

1591
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 1: which led to a death. And uh, you know, We've

1592
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 1: had Michael Behanna since then on the podcast, but I've

1593
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 1: you know, booked his mom on shows to just get

1594
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 1: the story out there prior to that, and it was

1595
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:10,640
Speaker 1: just it was one of those things that to me,

1596
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 1: it was a story I was that was constantly on

1597
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 1: my mind, to be honest, prior to even meeting you

1598
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 1: or Brandon, because so I would always donate money to

1599
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:20,559
Speaker 1: him and they would for to his defense fund and

1600
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 1: they sent over a wrist band that said, you know, uh,

1601
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 1: Michael Behenna and his rank and everything, and it was,

1602
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:27,960
Speaker 1: honestly just something I always looked down at that was

1603
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 1: just like, if I'm having a shitty day, I could

1604
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 1: be in a military prison. Right now for what I

1605
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:35,640
Speaker 1: thought was doing the right thing, which was, you know,

1606
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 1: how he felt, and so I was I would wear

1607
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:41,759
Speaker 1: that every day. And when I met out Colonel Allen

1608
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 1: West as he was leaving Serious Sex, and he was like, hey, man,

1609
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 1: nice wrist band and he was wearing the exact same thing,

1610
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 1: and I was like, I think that's pretty cool man

1611
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 1: that he kept this guy in his thoughts. And uh, yeah,

1612
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 1: if you really dig back in the archives, Jack and

1613
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:57,200
Speaker 1: I interviewed him a while back and and admittedly a

1614
01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 1: little bit of a bizarre interview because you could hear

1615
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 1: that his mom was there, Yeah, almost like coaching him

1616
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:04,680
Speaker 1: on on what to say, and he was out of

1617
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 1: prison at this point, yeah, and it was it was

1618
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 1: served his term. I mean, I feel like we probably

1619
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 1: got one of the first interviews out of him after

1620
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 1: that because his mom was familiar with me booking him

1621
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 1: on certain shows, so I didn't think it was inappropriate

1622
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:20,680
Speaker 1: to be like, hey, could we get um Michael on

1623
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 1: our show? And she sure enough did. But it's got

1624
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 1: to be kind of weird doing all these media interviews

1625
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 1: right out of prison, and unlike a lot of you

1626
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 1: guys you know, and guys who have been on the

1627
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 1: show who have been through some negative experiences in the military,

1628
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 1: and most guys we have on will be like, you know,

1629
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 1: I don't regret it. I'm glad that I served. He

1630
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 1: was pretty open that he was like, no, it's a

1631
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 1: huge regret of mine, and I wish I didn't serve

1632
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:48,480
Speaker 1: because and I understand yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that's understandable.

1633
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 1: Of course. I mean, he probably from his point of view,

1634
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 1: feels like the military put him through the ringer and

1635
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 1: persecuted him. But if I if I recall the story right,

1636
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:57,760
Speaker 1: like you said that interview was a while back, but

1637
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 1: he didn't say this Iraqi guy came at him with

1638
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 1: a rock in his hand. Yeah, and he shot and

1639
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: killed the guy, and then he got charged with war crimes,

1640
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:07,560
Speaker 1: which is, of course, to be fair his side of

1641
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 1: the happy. I wasn't there. But if you feel that way,

1642
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 1: you know, if that's your perspective, then it's understandable. You

1643
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, the Department of Defense pretty you know,

1644
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 1: fucked you over, you know. Oddly enough, one of my

1645
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 1: key features with training is you know that he who

1646
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 1: hesitates lose, right, So the firstest with the mostest, well,

1647
01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:28,720
Speaker 1: the first is with the mostest. You know, the idea is,

1648
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 1: you know, we we train ourselves to hesitate and to

1649
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:38,280
Speaker 1: second guess, and how many people in the streets or

1650
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 1: anywhere else are afraid to make that decision? And that actually,

1651
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:45,639
Speaker 1: I mean a fight doesn't take ten or twenty seconds

1652
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 1: to evolve. It happens in less than a second. And

1653
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:52,679
Speaker 1: so your mind has to be programmed to react when

1654
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 1: it when it's time to react. You know, you got

1655
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:57,519
Speaker 1: to know the difference when you feel that fear and

1656
01:20:57,560 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 1: what to do with it. And that's a big part

1657
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 1: of of all this training. Yeah, you see that, and

1658
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 1: law enforced me, you know, especially Um, I've had the

1659
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 1: opportunity to do a lot of training with the police

1660
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:13,600
Speaker 1: and uh, you know this whole thing, you know, this

1661
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:16,640
Speaker 1: graduated response thing that they have to go, you know,

1662
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 1: the escalation of force when you when you follow that,

1663
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 1: you know that philosophy. You're all you as a good guy,

1664
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 1: are always one step behind the bad guy because you're reactive.

1665
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 1: He's proactive, right, so if you gotta go to your taser,

1666
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 1: I means he's already at another level. Um, and you're

1667
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:37,799
Speaker 1: you're away, You're you're trying to catch the new lots

1668
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 1: of guy and uh, it's always for you, it's a

1669
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 1: it's a process of trying to neutralize, whereas for him

1670
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 1: it's a process to dominate you the entire time. So

1671
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 1: there's a there's a big disparity and uh, you know,

1672
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 1: and and uh that the approach and so and then

1673
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 1: when you finally go lethal, Um, I mean that guy's

1674
01:21:57,200 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 1: already gone lethal. Okay, And so you know, you hear

1675
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:04,720
Speaker 1: like this guy here with the rock, right, so, well

1676
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 1: you just you know, and if you and if you

1677
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 1: listen to people on social media, like well, you know,

1678
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:10,599
Speaker 1: you're you're you'll call him a pussy because the guy

1679
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 1: had a rock and he had to shoot him. Jim

1680
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 1: and I both watched men and get killed with one punch. Okay.

1681
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 1: I saw I saw half of the first tough man

1682
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 1: conscience as I fought it and dude got one punch

1683
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 1: put in my queer shot and he was out, dead, gone,

1684
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 1: you know. And that was not the first time I've

1685
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 1: seen I said, I've seen this half to a second guy. Um,

1686
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 1: so you know, do you wait till you get hit

1687
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 1: with the rock in the head to get killed, or

1688
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 1: do you wait till you get punched to get killed

1689
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 1: or do you do you look at a guy and go,

1690
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 1: that guy is posing me a threat, is posing a

1691
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 1: thread irrespective of size. Look, we watched Judy, a hundred

1692
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 1: ten pound little chick, taking dudes down two hundred pounds,

1693
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 1: and I mean putting them, I mean putting tears in

1694
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 1: her eyes. Man. Um, you know, a little man and

1695
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 1: a little woman can hurt you just the same, you know,

1696
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 1: whether the armed or not. So you know, you know

1697
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 1: a lot of that discretion has been taken away. And

1698
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:00,800
Speaker 1: what we tried to do, or society to doing, and

1699
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 1: the military tries to do it, lawenforce or tries to

1700
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 1: do it. They try to give you a uh, basically

1701
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 1: a metrics to work off of. Okay, here's your here,

1702
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:13,559
Speaker 1: here's a graduated response. It looks like this. If this

1703
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 1: guy calls you bad names, Um, you know I'm saying nothing.

1704
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 1: If this guy takes a swing at you, Um, you

1705
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 1: try to defend yourself by somelf doing them. You know,

1706
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:22,800
Speaker 1: if this guy pulls an eye a few politaizer, he

1707
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 1: pulls a gun, you politaizer, right, you know, he's just like,

1708
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:28,240
Speaker 1: come on, you know, it's they're always putting the good

1709
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 1: guys at a disadvantage, and when the guys like this

1710
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 1: guy makes a call, it decides that now it's time

1711
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 1: to go a lethal right off the bat. Um, he's

1712
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 1: condemned for it. You know, we're never gonna win, nobody.

1713
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 1: This is never gonna change for as long as man

1714
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:44,480
Speaker 1: as a lie, We're always gonna have these issues, you know. Um,

1715
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 1: And it comes right down to the guy on the battlefield. Man.

1716
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 1: You know, when you make that decision, you know you

1717
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 1: gotta live with the consequences. And it may not work

1718
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:53,840
Speaker 1: out the way you think it's gonna work out or

1719
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:56,639
Speaker 1: supposed to work out. Um. You know, hell, I don't

1720
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:58,519
Speaker 1: even know how my situation is gonna work out, right,

1721
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 1: I'm wanting to go back, get rolled up to the airport,

1722
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 1: you know. And you know I'll probably be telling my

1723
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 1: next podcast. You're on Skype from my jail cell. So

1724
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:12,360
Speaker 1: the federal finishing. But you know, it never works out

1725
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 1: the way you think it's gonna work out. And people,

1726
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:17,479
Speaker 1: you know, nobody's got your best interests in mind. At

1727
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:18,760
Speaker 1: the end of the day. The only person that cares

1728
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 1: about you is really you at the end of the day.

1729
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 1: That's when it comes down to. You know, look, there's

1730
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 1: no judges out there or nobody else is. I'm convinced

1731
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 1: gives two ships about you know, one person in the

1732
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 1: big universe. Man, You're you know, you're dispensable, um, no

1733
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 1: matter what anybody says, so day today as a human being, man,

1734
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:38,439
Speaker 1: you gotta take care of yourself, look out for yourself.

1735
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:40,720
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what I'm like with Jim. You know,

1736
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 1: like Jim said, you know, you know, fight first with

1737
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 1: you know, with the boss, and I will swing on

1738
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 1: you first. And if I think this is gonna go

1739
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 1: to you know, turn into a fight conflict, I'm gonna

1740
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:55,000
Speaker 1: be the first one throw it. But I'm not stopping

1741
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 1: until you down. You know. That's just how it works, man.

1742
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna walk away and go home and at

1743
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 1: least enough one night probably be okay, you know, before

1744
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:04,720
Speaker 1: something else happen, before I go to jail. But um,

1745
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:06,599
Speaker 1: you gotta fight to win. You know, this is not

1746
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:11,440
Speaker 1: the days of chivalry and and uh you know this

1747
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:14,800
Speaker 1: this is the day. This is the time in all

1748
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 1: of our lives where it's it's a very perilous world

1749
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 1: that we live, is Ferald, man. I mean people are

1750
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 1: crazy these days. They'll do anything to you know, Um,

1751
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 1: I have no problem stabbing you, killing you, you know,

1752
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 1: killing your friends, your girlfriends, your kids. Um. You know,

1753
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 1: you can be the sheeple that walks around, or you

1754
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 1: could be the lion. I choose to be the lion.

1755
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:37,880
Speaker 1: So um Dale, I'm glad you brought up the last

1756
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 1: interview because it got a tremendous response from the audience.

1757
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 1: I think people loved hearing your side of the story.

1758
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 1: After that article blew up, I'm wondering what response did

1759
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 1: you get from some of your fans, your followers, or

1760
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 1: guys you served with. Well, the one, the one that

1761
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 1: was notable was my lawyer, my whole sir, But I

1762
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:02,680
Speaker 1: just had to tell a story. Shut your pile, got it,

1763
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 1: Roger that it's out, it's done, you know. So so

1764
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:08,599
Speaker 1: he's being a lawyer man, And uh, I've actually got

1765
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 1: a pretty cool attorney. Um so, actually I've had a

1766
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 1: couple of good attorneys. So guys like, we need lots

1767
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 1: of attorneys sometimes um for all her own damn reasons too.

1768
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:22,559
Speaker 1: But no, actually, the response I got was really, for

1769
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:25,720
Speaker 1: the most part, was pretty positive. Um. You know, I

1770
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:28,600
Speaker 1: got to there's there's more to this story, and it

1771
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 1: will eventually come out. Um, and it's gonna really uh,

1772
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna look very bad for a lot of other

1773
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 1: people because there are a lot of collusion going on.

1774
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:40,799
Speaker 1: There's some stuff going on, and it's all centered on money,

1775
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:44,599
Speaker 1: and uh, it's all bullshit. And uh, I actually erected her.

1776
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 1: I wrecked somebody's somebody's game, is what I did. And

1777
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 1: I pisted him off. But uh, it's okay. You know,

1778
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:52,720
Speaker 1: the biggest problem I said I had, like the last time,

1779
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 1: was nobody ever, nobody ever contacted me and told me

1780
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:57,719
Speaker 1: what they were gonna do. Nobody said, hey, I'm gonna

1781
01:26:57,720 --> 01:26:59,599
Speaker 1: do this, and you know, they just put my name

1782
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:02,599
Speaker 1: out and able to you know, not only my name,

1783
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 1: and I won't even mention other guy's name. He doesn't

1784
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:06,880
Speaker 1: care if I mentioned And some of you probably already

1785
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 1: know who he is. But he's still active duty. He

1786
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 1: wasn't a reserve times active duty. And the reporters actually

1787
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 1: called d O D and they started an investigation and

1788
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:18,800
Speaker 1: literally escort porting him down to c I D. And

1789
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 1: started it, started grilling him. You know, I just blindsided,

1790
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 1: and they calling families, you know, and it's like, okay,

1791
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 1: you know, this is bullshit. If you're gonna do something,

1792
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 1: at least give us talk to us first. Either we're

1793
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 1: all in one acquarter and we say, hey, don't we

1794
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 1: use our names. I have an understanding about this. But

1795
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:36,040
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of guys got got blind side.

1796
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 1: I got blindsided. But I just kept my mouth shut.

1797
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 1: I wanted to wait to see what comes out and

1798
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:42,160
Speaker 1: then go from there. So and I said my piece

1799
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 1: and I'm done with it. Um. But for the most part,

1800
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 1: you know, it was pretty positively. You know, you got

1801
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 1: all the weirdos that come out, like one guy, you know,

1802
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:54,280
Speaker 1: so he's he's beating me up for being amercenary, right,

1803
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 1: if you know on Facebook, And if you thought that

1804
01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 1: was a cool story, unfred me. Now you know, blah

1805
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. You know, but talking about mercenaries

1806
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 1: and I looking through his profile, Pagre's got a picture

1807
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 1: of himself, right, It's funny how to post it, man,

1808
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:07,759
Speaker 1: But it says veteran on the bottom and then a

1809
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:10,439
Speaker 1: big old letters across as murk on it. Right, So

1810
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 1: he's claimed to be a mercenary. Veteran, right, and he's

1811
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:17,479
Speaker 1: he's got his suit on and he's throwing us, and

1812
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:19,680
Speaker 1: you're freaking e weird. I don't care about guys like that.

1813
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 1: I know who they are and whither or not, you know,

1814
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:25,720
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. But no, they to answer your question again. Um, yeah,

1815
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:28,439
Speaker 1: it was pretty positive. So I haven't got any weird

1816
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:31,879
Speaker 1: phone calls from the FBI anybody else yet. So um

1817
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:35,080
Speaker 1: doesn't mean I'm clear yet, but not that I did

1818
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 1: anything wrong either, So um, and I didn't more I

1819
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 1: look into It's like, no, I didn't do anything wrong.

1820
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 1: It clearly states on the State Department website that you

1821
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:46,800
Speaker 1: can go and work for foreign military as long as

1822
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:50,280
Speaker 1: that that military is not uh in any kind of

1823
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 1: way opposed to our government, you know. And it's it's

1824
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:56,839
Speaker 1: not that these were allies. So um, it's totally legitimate,

1825
01:28:56,880 --> 01:29:01,599
Speaker 1: you know. So I'm not worried about that at all. Yeah. Uh.

1826
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 1: In terms of the positive response, though, I read this

1827
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 1: last week and I thought it'd be pretty cool to

1828
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 1: read again since you you may not have heard it. Um,

1829
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 1: but this is from an anonymous guy who wrote us

1830
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:14,800
Speaker 1: to softwarep dot Radio at softwrep dot com and wrote,

1831
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:17,640
Speaker 1: I'm listening to the Dale Comstock interview. I had I

1832
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 1: had read his book this guy is my age, about

1833
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:23,120
Speaker 1: mid fifties and he's still out there working as an operative.

1834
01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:26,200
Speaker 1: That is incredible. Keep these broadcasts coming. So I thought

1835
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 1: that was a cool response. Well, you know, and and

1836
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 1: the thing is, yeah, I'm fifty five and I actually

1837
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 1: I provided uh, optimal coaching or performance coaching classes, right

1838
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 1: life coaching for a lot of guys. And uh, because

1839
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 1: a lot of guys getting his mindset that once you

1840
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 1: hit a certain age, you know, like you know, forty,

1841
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 1: you know, you got one leg in the grave, it's

1842
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 1: all down. He was supposed to get fat, you know,

1843
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 1: and all these other things are supposed to happen to you, right,

1844
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:54,080
Speaker 1: so they oh, there's already crazy mindset, you know. And

1845
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:57,400
Speaker 1: most of my clients are about forty five. They all

1846
01:29:57,439 --> 01:29:58,800
Speaker 1: have the same problem. They wake up in the morning,

1847
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:00,800
Speaker 1: look at the mirror and realized are pregnant. Their kids

1848
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:02,799
Speaker 1: don't want to play with them because they're too fat,

1849
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:04,640
Speaker 1: you know, wife don't want to have sex with them

1850
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:06,439
Speaker 1: because the neighbor and better looking, you know. So they

1851
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:08,200
Speaker 1: have all these issues going on, you know, and they're

1852
01:30:08,240 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 1: like trying to deal with it and uh, and it's

1853
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:15,919
Speaker 1: because actually it's because they have been um they've been honorable,

1854
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:18,080
Speaker 1: and they've been loyal to their families. They've given all

1855
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:20,640
Speaker 1: of themselves to their family to make a paycheck the

1856
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:22,799
Speaker 1: raise of family that they didn't do anything for themselves.

1857
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 1: And in the process, you know, they basically degraded themselves

1858
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:28,599
Speaker 1: to the point where they're along, are happy, and now

1859
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:31,000
Speaker 1: they're trying to you know, regroup. And so what I

1860
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:34,160
Speaker 1: try to do is inspire people because I was one

1861
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:37,639
Speaker 1: of those guys to that believed that that bullshit paradigm

1862
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 1: that you know, by time over thirty five midlife crisis

1863
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:41,960
Speaker 1: sets in all that kind of crap. I never had

1864
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 1: a middle crisis. Uh Why because I kept moving forward

1865
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 1: and kept indulging in more things, and uh, you know,

1866
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:51,680
Speaker 1: even with Jim West. You know, my first pro professional

1867
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:54,719
Speaker 1: boxing match, I was thirty two years old. At thirty two,

1868
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:57,840
Speaker 1: I was pros a fighter, you know, so that's way

1869
01:30:57,920 --> 01:30:59,920
Speaker 1: late in my prime. But I wasn't trying to be

1870
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:02,240
Speaker 1: world champion. I just wanted to be able to fight

1871
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:04,120
Speaker 1: at that level to say that I was good enough

1872
01:31:04,160 --> 01:31:06,479
Speaker 1: to do that. I trained hard enough that I could

1873
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:09,719
Speaker 1: fight at that level, and that was my only goal,

1874
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:12,040
Speaker 1: you know, Um, because I knew you can't be a

1875
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 1: Green Beret and a Delta Force operator and a working

1876
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:19,000
Speaker 1: world champion boxer plus three kids and a wife in college.

1877
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:20,880
Speaker 1: You know you can't do all those things, you know.

1878
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 1: I mean maybe somebody out there can. But I tried,

1879
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:26,960
Speaker 1: damn it. It It was really hard. But is another guy.

1880
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:28,640
Speaker 1: He's a few years older than you, and I've been

1881
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 1: in the gym working out with him before, and like

1882
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:33,639
Speaker 1: the next day, I'm like, holy shit, like my whole

1883
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:36,400
Speaker 1: upper bodies locked up, and like I I moved like

1884
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:39,400
Speaker 1: a tank turret to like look at you, because my

1885
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 1: my shoulders and my back are all completely locked up.

1886
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:45,840
Speaker 1: I can't move. Yeah, my biggest my biggest consideration now

1887
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:53,679
Speaker 1: is uh calling to get enrolled in Medicare you still

1888
01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:56,760
Speaker 1: work out every day pretty much? I mean yeah, I

1889
01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:59,720
Speaker 1: work on for a quote unquote old man. I mean,

1890
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:01,920
Speaker 1: you're pretty active, dude, but not on that. And he'll

1891
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:05,800
Speaker 1: appreciate this, uh Dale. About three or four weeks ago,

1892
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:09,720
Speaker 1: I've been going down once a month or so and

1893
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 1: hooking up with Roger. He's brought some guys in, all

1894
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 1: senior Black Belts and a few Grand Masters, and we've

1895
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:19,320
Speaker 1: been exchanging ideas and I've been I end up being

1896
01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:23,599
Speaker 1: their trainer. Were last time I went down recently, Rogers like,

1897
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:28,479
Speaker 1: uh sending everybody home that what's going on? And Rogers

1898
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:30,240
Speaker 1: and you are close to the same age. And of

1899
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:35,400
Speaker 1: course Roger he's very strong and he's fought for world titles. Yeah,

1900
01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:38,240
Speaker 1: and uh, I said, it's just you and me today.

1901
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, he says, gear up. I just want

1902
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:44,679
Speaker 1: to spark. We do everything else, we train everybody else,

1903
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:48,479
Speaker 1: we do the two steps, three steps, sparring. But he said,

1904
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:50,760
Speaker 1: I just want to see where I am because he

1905
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:53,880
Speaker 1: knows that I've been working out more lately. I started

1906
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:58,599
Speaker 1: reinstituting my kicks, my flexibility training. I probably lost ten pounds,

1907
01:32:58,720 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 1: feel pretty good, and I'm training almost every night, you know,

1908
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:04,880
Speaker 1: doing uh ten or more rounds on the heavy bag

1909
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:09,080
Speaker 1: and whatever else. Uh sits my fancy. But uh yeah.

1910
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:11,360
Speaker 1: So we're smart for on and off for three and

1911
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:17,320
Speaker 1: a half hours. And it was awesome. Yeah, I got

1912
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:20,040
Speaker 1: bruised up a few good things. But man, I was

1913
01:33:20,439 --> 01:33:23,000
Speaker 1: I haven't done that so long. It was just loved it.

1914
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:25,960
Speaker 1: So it's all mindset, you know. And that's the problem

1915
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:28,760
Speaker 1: is guys have to change their minds. In fact, That's

1916
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:31,040
Speaker 1: the first thing I tell my clients. You gotta change

1917
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:33,120
Speaker 1: the mind. You're not gonna change nothing until you change

1918
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:35,599
Speaker 1: the way you think. UM, and challenge all these paradigm

1919
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:38,479
Speaker 1: times that you've been buying into. UM. I look at

1920
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:41,680
Speaker 1: Jim West. Jim West when I met him, Um, I

1921
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 1: was thirty. I mean, how was that Jim. I was

1922
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:48,280
Speaker 1: still a young per snapper. But Jim was already in

1923
01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:51,200
Speaker 1: the sporties, you know, and he's out there still punching it,

1924
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:54,719
Speaker 1: kicking and very flexible, you know, and very formidable. UM.

1925
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 1: And then when I started learning the life was UM,

1926
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:01,240
Speaker 1: look most the bought like body build. I started getting

1927
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:04,200
Speaker 1: the bodybuilding competitions. I did my first bodybuilding match when

1928
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:07,200
Speaker 1: I was forty eight years old, first competition, and uh,

1929
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:10,720
Speaker 1: what I realized was when you're in your forties as

1930
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:13,400
Speaker 1: a bodybuilder, you're now in your prime. Especially you know

1931
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:16,639
Speaker 1: for six points, those are your most competitive guys because

1932
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:19,519
Speaker 1: they're prime. And uh so you're not over the hill

1933
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:21,719
Speaker 1: yet at all. You're at your You're really in your peak.

1934
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:24,680
Speaker 1: And so in fact, so much so. My son was

1935
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:27,200
Speaker 1: twenty two. He was also a bodybuild at the time.

1936
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:30,599
Speaker 1: We competed together in a heavyweight division. I was forty eight,

1937
01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:33,120
Speaker 1: he was twenty two, and we both waited in a

1938
01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:35,200
Speaker 1: one eight six and four percent body fat and I

1939
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:37,840
Speaker 1: beat him, um, you know, And so it was an

1940
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:39,800
Speaker 1: awesome today because it's like, man, I feel pretty good,

1941
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:41,840
Speaker 1: you know, the old man got out there still. You know,

1942
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:44,600
Speaker 1: my kids pretty good shape. It looks pretty good, you know.

1943
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:46,920
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, I just nudged them out just

1944
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:49,240
Speaker 1: by them just that much, you know. And so but

1945
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:51,000
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, man, you know, what's

1946
01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:53,720
Speaker 1: never too old. Look, I'm fifty five. I could go

1947
01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:56,720
Speaker 1: do everything I did a couple of years ago, no problem.

1948
01:34:56,720 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 1: I'm still in shape. And it's just mindset, man, it's

1949
01:34:59,479 --> 01:35:01,559
Speaker 1: just getting on. If you ask go to the gym, workout,

1950
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:05,520
Speaker 1: you know, dedicate remember working out, whether it's boxing, kickboxing,

1951
01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:08,320
Speaker 1: martial arts, going to the gym, lifting weight, it's running.

1952
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:10,800
Speaker 1: It's a lifestyle and you have to you have to

1953
01:35:11,479 --> 01:35:14,120
Speaker 1: adopt that as your daily activity. Just like you gotta

1954
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 1: get up in the more to take a ship, you

1955
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:17,920
Speaker 1: gotta get up, you gotta go work out, man. It

1956
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:21,320
Speaker 1: all it's all part of the day. Man, it's not optional. Well,

1957
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:23,439
Speaker 1: if I have time, No, you have to make time.

1958
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:25,040
Speaker 1: It means if you gotta get up at midnight, do

1959
01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:28,360
Speaker 1: you gotta go do it? Otherwise if you don't guess what,

1960
01:35:28,439 --> 01:35:30,679
Speaker 1: you start falling apart. You start complaining because you can't

1961
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:34,719
Speaker 1: do anything. You know. Um, and you and really, especially

1962
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:36,880
Speaker 1: if you've got kids, I think you have kind of

1963
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:42,320
Speaker 1: a almost a moral obligation, uh and ethical obligation to

1964
01:35:42,439 --> 01:35:44,439
Speaker 1: them to set the best example that you can, right,

1965
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:49,799
Speaker 1: so um, because they'll they'll learn to be like you. Okay, Now, no,

1966
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:52,920
Speaker 1: no disrespect to my father, but my father was using

1967
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:55,280
Speaker 1: the army for twenty years in the couch potato. He

1968
01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 1: didn't go to the gym after work. He came home

1969
01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 1: and basically he raised his legs and drank his beer

1970
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:02,640
Speaker 1: and you know, and that was it. And uh, you know,

1971
01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:04,720
Speaker 1: he really wasn't involved in sports or anything with me.

1972
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 1: Never remember why should be playing the sports in fact,

1973
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:09,360
Speaker 1: which I always kind of you know, I look back, man,

1974
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:11,439
Speaker 1: my dad never watched them play one time and anything,

1975
01:36:11,439 --> 01:36:14,160
Speaker 1: you know, And so I decided not to be that guy,

1976
01:36:14,439 --> 01:36:18,240
Speaker 1: and I broke that paradigm and so um. And like

1977
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:20,000
Speaker 1: I said, my kid was twenty two. I was forty

1978
01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:21,840
Speaker 1: eight when we did our first body building show together.

1979
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:23,840
Speaker 1: We did martial arts together with Jim West. You know,

1980
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:27,040
Speaker 1: we trained together. So there was always being an example

1981
01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:29,799
Speaker 1: for my kids. But more importantly, besides setting the example

1982
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:32,719
Speaker 1: for them and showing them that, hey, man, so don't

1983
01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:35,200
Speaker 1: ever think that because you're fifty five, you know, it's

1984
01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:37,400
Speaker 1: you're you should be right the couch. No, you can

1985
01:36:37,400 --> 01:36:39,479
Speaker 1: still go out there and freaking blow people up and

1986
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:42,120
Speaker 1: you know, do the ship that I've been doing. Um.

1987
01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:44,519
Speaker 1: But the other thing is it's longevity. Right at the age,

1988
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:46,760
Speaker 1: at my age and even at Jim's age, man, we

1989
01:36:46,760 --> 01:36:48,760
Speaker 1: we got years still left in the gas tank and

1990
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:50,920
Speaker 1: we can do probably anything that we want to do.

1991
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:53,280
Speaker 1: Is if we were twenty two years old. I can't

1992
01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:55,720
Speaker 1: run as fast, but I can shoot a lot better now,

1993
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:57,639
Speaker 1: you know, So it doesn't matter. I don't have to run,

1994
01:36:57,720 --> 01:37:00,360
Speaker 1: but I can live sorts of everything's a balance in life.

1995
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:03,439
Speaker 1: I remember Pat McNamara saying that when we had him on,

1996
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:05,800
Speaker 1: he was like, look, I got a young wife, like,

1997
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:07,760
Speaker 1: I owe it to her. I need I want to

1998
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:10,960
Speaker 1: be around for a few more years. Here. I got

1999
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:12,960
Speaker 1: like three young wives. You know, I got a lot

2000
01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:18,200
Speaker 1: had a lot of work to do, man, because but

2001
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:19,880
Speaker 1: now there's a lot to be said for that, you know,

2002
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:23,680
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, just from the longevity point of view,

2003
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:27,840
Speaker 1: from you know, being the marketable still in the workforce. UM,

2004
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:30,200
Speaker 1: you know, like for me, for example, you know, I

2005
01:37:30,200 --> 01:37:32,840
Speaker 1: don't have any options as far as employment is concerned.

2006
01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:36,559
Speaker 1: I'm self employed. Um, truth be told, nobody will really

2007
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:38,840
Speaker 1: hire me. You know, they're not gonna put me an

2008
01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:42,040
Speaker 1: executive seeing somebody else's sitting in um as a newcomer.

2009
01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:44,080
Speaker 1: They're not gonna let me turn wrenches because I've already

2010
01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:45,679
Speaker 1: had people tell me that it's like you know, would

2011
01:37:46,040 --> 01:37:48,880
Speaker 1: it would be just too you know, just too you know,

2012
01:37:49,320 --> 01:37:52,599
Speaker 1: humiliating that allow that you know, Um, I've had people

2013
01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:55,919
Speaker 1: not hire me for certain projects because I'm too high profile.

2014
01:37:56,040 --> 01:37:58,240
Speaker 1: So what I've learned from all that is I'm pretty

2015
01:37:58,320 --> 01:38:01,120
Speaker 1: much on my own and so you know, I gotta

2016
01:38:01,120 --> 01:38:03,360
Speaker 1: I gotta make my way through this world on my own.

2017
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:06,000
Speaker 1: And so part of that's gonna be making sure that

2018
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:08,320
Speaker 1: I'm healthy enough to do that. Worse thing that can

2019
01:38:08,360 --> 01:38:10,800
Speaker 1: happen to me right now is you know, I end

2020
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:13,520
Speaker 1: up with some kind of a physical you know, disability

2021
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:15,479
Speaker 1: or something else, some kind of disease. It kind of

2022
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:18,759
Speaker 1: kind of grounds me. Um, then I'm in big trouble,

2023
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:22,720
Speaker 1: you know, and so I've got it. I'm forced to

2024
01:38:22,760 --> 01:38:24,880
Speaker 1: be the best I can be as long as I

2025
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:27,880
Speaker 1: can be that. And uh so you know again my

2026
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:30,080
Speaker 1: my message out there too. You know, all the guys

2027
01:38:30,160 --> 01:38:33,519
Speaker 1: listen to this. You know what, it is never too late.

2028
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:35,360
Speaker 1: You could be fit to You'd be sixty years old,

2029
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:38,000
Speaker 1: I don't care. I've seen guys in their mid seventies

2030
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:42,160
Speaker 1: start bodybuilding, enjoin going to bodybuilding competitions in their seventies

2031
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:44,960
Speaker 1: and do very well. You know, it's never too late.

2032
01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:47,600
Speaker 1: You know, you're the only limit that you know to

2033
01:38:47,640 --> 01:38:50,080
Speaker 1: your own life is the way you think. So change mind,

2034
01:38:50,240 --> 01:38:53,920
Speaker 1: change the way you think. That's an awesome inspirational note

2035
01:38:53,960 --> 01:38:56,719
Speaker 1: I think to ended on. Um, I mean, we've covered

2036
01:38:56,760 --> 01:38:58,879
Speaker 1: a lot of grounds here, a lot of great stories.

2037
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:03,720
Speaker 1: I'm really um honored that you'd come on for this foode.

2038
01:39:04,040 --> 01:39:07,439
Speaker 1: It's a milestone for the podcast. And uh you could

2039
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:11,960
Speaker 1: visit Dale online at Official American Badass on Instagram, at

2040
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:15,280
Speaker 1: del com Stock on Twitter. Thanks for going along with

2041
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:18,599
Speaker 1: us here, Dale really appreciate it man, actually having again

2042
01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:20,840
Speaker 1: enjoy it. Yeah, that's really cool to just kind of

2043
01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:24,439
Speaker 1: have a conversation between all you guys. Yeah, it's good.

2044
01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:27,760
Speaker 1: It's uh. I've enjoyed it quite a bit. It's good

2045
01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:30,960
Speaker 1: seeing you again. You you look good. Yeah, I can't

2046
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:33,120
Speaker 1: see you because you're off the canvas. Some help. But yeah,

2047
01:39:33,720 --> 01:39:36,800
Speaker 1: as I said to the audience, it's weird so that

2048
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:39,559
Speaker 1: the audience watching on YouTube, they can see me pointing

2049
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:41,559
Speaker 1: to the camera that sees all of us. But then

2050
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:44,000
Speaker 1: you see in the top of Dale's screen it's the computer.

2051
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:45,679
Speaker 1: I don't know why you can't have them both at once,

2052
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:49,479
Speaker 1: but I mean, if I turn this you can see

2053
01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:57,439
Speaker 1: it really is taking the voice. Yeah, but we're still

2054
01:39:57,439 --> 01:39:59,840
Speaker 1: in good shape. Not a Jim Weston person. I mean

2055
01:39:59,840 --> 01:40:03,280
Speaker 1: they only one Jim wise. But no, thanks, Dale, really

2056
01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:06,400
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Man, Oh thanks for having on the show. Guys.

2057
01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:11,360
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Yeah, thank you. That's good, sayd all right, cool,

2058
01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:14,160
Speaker 1: So let's wrap this up with the three of us.

2059
01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:17,559
Speaker 1: I definitely want to cover some other stuff, um, you know,

2060
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:21,400
Speaker 1: before we do, and maybe talk episode and what this

2061
01:40:21,439 --> 01:40:24,519
Speaker 1: means to you. Jack is um I mentioned a little bit,

2062
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:26,080
Speaker 1: but I actually would like to go even a little

2063
01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:29,280
Speaker 1: bit more in depth than that. But UM. I wanted

2064
01:40:29,320 --> 01:40:31,840
Speaker 1: to mention, of course, to be sure to check out

2065
01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:35,439
Speaker 1: Create Club. UM. That collaboration watch that we did with

2066
01:40:35,439 --> 01:40:38,679
Speaker 1: the NFW watches is in the premium crate that people

2067
01:40:38,680 --> 01:40:40,599
Speaker 1: are getting right. I got mine in the mail yesterday.

2068
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:43,639
Speaker 1: It's a nice watch. That's awesome. It's really nice. Actually, yeah,

2069
01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:46,840
Speaker 1: I've seen the photos on Instagram. Looks badass man. So

2070
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:49,960
Speaker 1: if you're a premium tier member, UM, you either got

2071
01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:53,240
Speaker 1: that or you're getting that in the next couple of days. UM.

2072
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:55,960
Speaker 1: As I mentioned different tiers of membership depending on how

2073
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:58,840
Speaker 1: prepared you want to be. Uh. Scott Whittner has been

2074
01:40:58,840 --> 01:41:03,240
Speaker 1: talking about in twenty nineteen, we're looking at custom products

2075
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Speaker 1: everything from sunglass cases to E d C bags and

2076
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Speaker 1: other manly products. It's a club four men by men.

2077
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Speaker 1: You can check that all out of Create Club dot Us.

2078
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Speaker 1: Once again, that's Create Club dot Us. If you're a

2079
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:20,160
Speaker 1: dog owner, you've got to become a member of Kuna UM.

2080
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:24,000
Speaker 1: Kuna has a team of trained canine canine handlers picking

2081
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:26,759
Speaker 1: out a box for your dog each month of healthy

2082
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2083
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Speaker 1: size and age as well, and you can see all

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Speaker 1: more plays than we ever have in the history of

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Speaker 1: the show, which is just fucking awesome. I love that

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Speaker 1: there's always new people coming on board. I have a

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01:42:34,240 --> 01:42:37,920
Speaker 1: feeling this show will do very well. UM. I have

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01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:40,639
Speaker 1: some emails I want to get into, but you know what,

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01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:43,280
Speaker 1: before I do, I just wanted to say, like episode

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01:42:43,280 --> 01:42:47,240
Speaker 1: four hundred, this means a ton to me. Um, I'd

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01:42:47,320 --> 01:42:49,040
Speaker 1: like to get into what it means to you, Jack,

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01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:50,880
Speaker 1: But I was kind of thinking about this on my

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01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:53,840
Speaker 1: way in today waking up at like four thirty am,

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01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:58,559
Speaker 1: as I was telling Jim, And it's actually pretty crazy.

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01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:01,280
Speaker 1: Whether you guys realize it or not, you the listeners

2111
01:43:01,320 --> 01:43:06,120
Speaker 1: like have honestly transformed my life in a lot of ways. Um.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever told the story on the show,

2113
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:13,200
Speaker 1: but basically I was part time at Serious x M

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01:43:13,240 --> 01:43:15,679
Speaker 1: for like many years, for a ridiculous amount of time.

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01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:18,320
Speaker 1: And I know people think of like being in media

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01:43:18,360 --> 01:43:22,200
Speaker 1: as this glamorous thing. Uh, it's definitely not when you're

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01:43:22,240 --> 01:43:24,240
Speaker 1: working part time and think that if you write one

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01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:26,720
Speaker 1: book that you're Tom Clancy or something like that, you're

2119
01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:30,120
Speaker 1: living in a mansion. I can tell you flat out. Um.

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01:43:30,160 --> 01:43:34,160
Speaker 1: You know, in states where these you know, low skilled jobs,

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01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:36,639
Speaker 1: you get paid more like in South Dakota. I've seen

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01:43:36,720 --> 01:43:40,080
Speaker 1: what you get paid at McDonald's. So like, basically, if

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01:43:40,120 --> 01:43:42,960
Speaker 1: I was working at McDonald's in North Dakota or South Dakota,

2124
01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:45,160
Speaker 1: I would have been making the same as what I

2125
01:43:45,200 --> 01:43:47,760
Speaker 1: was making part time as a board up. So it's

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01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:52,680
Speaker 1: like up until relatively recently. Around the time that I

2127
01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:55,000
Speaker 1: started doing this with you guys, I was living at

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01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:57,719
Speaker 1: my parents house and like not not out of choice,

2129
01:43:57,800 --> 01:43:59,599
Speaker 1: like I had to live at my parents as does

2130
01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:03,400
Speaker 1: not make a lot um And I remember I started

2131
01:44:03,439 --> 01:44:06,600
Speaker 1: doing my own podcast out of Sirious x M just

2132
01:44:06,640 --> 01:44:08,680
Speaker 1: to kind of make something happen, even though I was

2133
01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:11,479
Speaker 1: told not to, you know, use those studios. What do

2134
01:44:11,479 --> 01:44:14,280
Speaker 1: you can do now? Fire me? Like I'm gone. So

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01:44:14,360 --> 01:44:16,000
Speaker 1: that's what That's what I was doing. In the first

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01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:19,360
Speaker 1: guest I ever had on was Brandon and I remember

2137
01:44:19,439 --> 01:44:22,759
Speaker 1: like during the intro saying how I hadn't done anything

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01:44:22,760 --> 01:44:24,640
Speaker 1: on air in many years. I mean prior to that,

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01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:27,200
Speaker 1: I was doing w r h u UM, which is

2140
01:44:27,240 --> 01:44:30,160
Speaker 1: the flagship station the Islanders where I went to college

2141
01:44:30,160 --> 01:44:33,120
Speaker 1: at Hofstra, And I said something in the effect of,

2142
01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:35,440
Speaker 1: like just in life, you've got to make your own opportunities.

2143
01:44:35,479 --> 01:44:37,360
Speaker 1: I was kind of waiting around to get this gig

2144
01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:39,800
Speaker 1: hosting in radio. What Dale was saying, no one's gonna

2145
01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:43,040
Speaker 1: take care of you but you yeah, and it wasn't happening.

2146
01:44:43,080 --> 01:44:44,880
Speaker 1: So I was just like, I'm I'm gonna do this

2147
01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:48,680
Speaker 1: thing on my own. I remember I did a few episodes,

2148
01:44:49,320 --> 01:44:53,160
Speaker 1: and I will always remember this. I went to Atlantic

2149
01:44:53,200 --> 01:44:55,799
Speaker 1: City with my friend Steve to go see Motley Crewe.

2150
01:44:56,080 --> 01:44:58,240
Speaker 1: I think it was the tour prior to the last tour.

2151
01:44:58,400 --> 01:45:01,240
Speaker 1: Was the last show date of that to or Um.

2152
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:05,240
Speaker 1: I probably gambled around like two hundred dollars and you know,

2153
01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:07,280
Speaker 1: the hotel and all that, and I remember getting back

2154
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:10,320
Speaker 1: home and it was like I checked my bank account. Uh,

2155
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:13,320
Speaker 1: this is prior to online banking, or at least I

2156
01:45:13,320 --> 01:45:14,800
Speaker 1: didn't know how to do it, so you just call

2157
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:16,559
Speaker 1: the numbers year and it was like, you know, your

2158
01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:19,919
Speaker 1: balance is cents something like that, and like that was everything.

2159
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:23,559
Speaker 1: So I remember just like I hated to do this

2160
01:45:23,560 --> 01:45:25,040
Speaker 1: because it was like I was living at home at

2161
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:27,360
Speaker 1: the time and I had to borrow money from my mom,

2162
01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:29,640
Speaker 1: and something in my head was just like, this is

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01:45:29,680 --> 01:45:32,080
Speaker 1: the last time I ever want to do this. If

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01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:34,479
Speaker 1: this radio thing, and this was during the summer, I

2165
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:37,160
Speaker 1: was like, if this radio thing doesn't work out by

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01:45:37,200 --> 01:45:39,280
Speaker 1: the start of next year, like I'm gonna go back

2167
01:45:39,320 --> 01:45:41,280
Speaker 1: to school or something, I'm gonna figure out some other

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01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:43,639
Speaker 1: skill to do. I'm gonna give it my all until

2169
01:45:43,720 --> 01:45:48,440
Speaker 1: the end of this year, but I may stop doing this. Um.

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01:45:48,640 --> 01:45:51,599
Speaker 1: That was early on in the summer. Shortly after that,

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01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:53,800
Speaker 1: I got a text from Brandon one day as I'm

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01:45:53,880 --> 01:45:57,200
Speaker 1: driving to my friend's show, who was playing a concert,

2173
01:45:57,560 --> 01:46:00,000
Speaker 1: and he this is I remember. He was like, hey,

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01:46:00,040 --> 01:46:02,759
Speaker 1: and do you think you know anybody who could produce

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01:46:02,840 --> 01:46:05,120
Speaker 1: this podcast for us? Like things aren't working out with

2176
01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:08,680
Speaker 1: the current guy. And I'm like, yeah, I'll do it.

2177
01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:10,160
Speaker 1: He was like, all right, I was hoping you would

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01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:12,840
Speaker 1: say that. Uh. And this just kind of shows who

2179
01:46:12,840 --> 01:46:14,960
Speaker 1: how Brandon is because he just wanted to make it work.

2180
01:46:14,960 --> 01:46:16,280
Speaker 1: He was like, hey, how much do we have to

2181
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:18,160
Speaker 1: pay you man? Like what works out for you to

2182
01:46:18,200 --> 01:46:20,800
Speaker 1: make this thing work? And I remember being like, dude,

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01:46:20,840 --> 01:46:23,080
Speaker 1: I'm just glad to get this opportunity. I don't really

2184
01:46:23,080 --> 01:46:24,880
Speaker 1: care what you paid me, Like we can figure that

2185
01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:28,360
Speaker 1: out later, but I just want to do this. Um.

2186
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:30,240
Speaker 1: So you know, we made it work. I was very

2187
01:46:30,280 --> 01:46:32,640
Speaker 1: happy with what Brandon was giving me to make the

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Speaker 1: whole thing work. But it wasn't like I could, um,

2189
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:38,519
Speaker 1: you know, just do that. I had to. Yeah, it

2190
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:40,599
Speaker 1: was a while before we brought you on full time. Yeah,

2191
01:46:41,080 --> 01:46:44,479
Speaker 1: very long while. So this is kind of crazy just

2192
01:46:44,520 --> 01:46:47,000
Speaker 1: how things work. You could call it kind of God,

2193
01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:50,120
Speaker 1: call it just like setting a date for yourself to

2194
01:46:50,160 --> 01:46:54,439
Speaker 1: make something happen. Probably two months after that, I was

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01:46:54,640 --> 01:46:57,280
Speaker 1: board opping will Cow and then a position to opened

2196
01:46:57,439 --> 01:47:00,960
Speaker 1: part time for the producer for Senator associate producer for

2197
01:47:01,040 --> 01:47:04,479
Speaker 1: Senator Bill Bradley Show. And the thing was I was

2198
01:47:04,560 --> 01:47:06,400
Speaker 1: one of the few people who worked on that show.

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01:47:06,520 --> 01:47:09,920
Speaker 1: I got along with the executive producer Devora clar Um,

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01:47:10,040 --> 01:47:13,800
Speaker 1: who I loved or she was great, but very demanding job,

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01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:17,000
Speaker 1: very demanding um person to work for because it was

2202
01:47:17,040 --> 01:47:20,840
Speaker 1: a it was a like meticulously produced show, but we

2203
01:47:20,960 --> 01:47:24,400
Speaker 1: had something going as opposed to like bringing on someone new.

2204
01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:28,439
Speaker 1: And uh, I started to think about it, and I

2205
01:47:28,479 --> 01:47:30,840
Speaker 1: was like, hey, you guys are familiar with me. You

2206
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:33,080
Speaker 1: know that I could do this show. I've been a

2207
01:47:33,200 --> 01:47:35,000
Speaker 1: serious at this point for I don't know, four or

2208
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:37,880
Speaker 1: five years part time. Do you think you could make

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01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:40,120
Speaker 1: this a full time position if I do will Cow

2210
01:47:40,240 --> 01:47:42,680
Speaker 1: and I do this And it all happened so like

2211
01:47:42,720 --> 01:47:45,439
Speaker 1: in in probably a period of three months, I was

2212
01:47:45,479 --> 01:47:48,280
Speaker 1: now working full time in radio and doing this podcast.

2213
01:47:48,880 --> 01:47:51,400
Speaker 1: And so Jack knows this, Brandon knows this for several

2214
01:47:51,560 --> 01:47:54,599
Speaker 1: and you too, really Jim, for quite a few years

2215
01:47:54,640 --> 01:47:57,240
Speaker 1: until you heard me here full time. And this is

2216
01:47:57,280 --> 01:47:59,479
Speaker 1: like the chilliest job in the world, I'll honestly say,

2217
01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:02,000
Speaker 1: like a love working for this company. But for all

2218
01:48:02,040 --> 01:48:04,960
Speaker 1: those years, it was Monday through Friday working on two

2219
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:08,040
Speaker 1: shows at Sirius x M. Saturday didn't work, and then

2220
01:48:08,120 --> 01:48:11,519
Speaker 1: Sunday did this podcast. Monday after work I would edit

2221
01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:14,759
Speaker 1: this podcast. So it was a pretty crazy schedule for

2222
01:48:14,920 --> 01:48:19,080
Speaker 1: um a good five years. But like, I wouldn't trade

2223
01:48:19,080 --> 01:48:21,759
Speaker 1: it for anything. And if it wasn't for you guys

2224
01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:24,720
Speaker 1: caring about this show and listening, I really don't know

2225
01:48:24,800 --> 01:48:26,960
Speaker 1: what I would be doing if you're doing something else.

2226
01:48:27,320 --> 01:48:30,120
Speaker 1: But like I it's I owe it to Brandon, you know,

2227
01:48:30,120 --> 01:48:31,840
Speaker 1: because he's really the one who brought me on and

2228
01:48:32,120 --> 01:48:34,519
Speaker 1: made this happen. I would say Jack, but like, you know,

2229
01:48:34,600 --> 01:48:36,800
Speaker 1: Brandon is the one who who brought me in full time,

2230
01:48:37,479 --> 01:48:40,439
Speaker 1: and um, you know you guys, the listeners, and it's

2231
01:48:40,439 --> 01:48:44,599
Speaker 1: just it's crazy to think. And I remember meeting all

2232
01:48:44,600 --> 01:48:47,200
Speaker 1: the people at the first shot show and it was

2233
01:48:47,240 --> 01:48:49,240
Speaker 1: so cool to be a part of this community, and

2234
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:51,400
Speaker 1: it you know, it actually took a while to fit

2235
01:48:51,439 --> 01:48:53,160
Speaker 1: in with this audience. If you look back at the

2236
01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:56,400
Speaker 1: old iTunes reviews, which I kind of people complaining about you.

2237
01:48:56,800 --> 01:48:58,799
Speaker 1: I hate the fact that if you go on iTunes

2238
01:48:58,880 --> 01:49:01,000
Speaker 1: all those reviews from four years ago at the top.

2239
01:49:01,080 --> 01:49:03,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, could we have the updated reviews and maybe

2240
01:49:03,120 --> 01:49:05,720
Speaker 1: at the top because all of those are I got

2241
01:49:05,800 --> 01:49:09,559
Speaker 1: flamed pretty hard, but being someone who worked in radio

2242
01:49:09,640 --> 01:49:11,760
Speaker 1: since two thousand six, I was able to kind of

2243
01:49:11,800 --> 01:49:15,439
Speaker 1: put the pieces together and say, like, nobody likes change.

2244
01:49:15,560 --> 01:49:19,080
Speaker 1: Everybody always likes what they're used to. People will get

2245
01:49:19,200 --> 01:49:21,960
Speaker 1: used to you, you'll get better at this. I took

2246
01:49:22,120 --> 01:49:25,519
Speaker 1: pointers from the audience that were, you know, constructive, not

2247
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:27,760
Speaker 1: the people who are like, this guy's an asshole, get

2248
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:30,920
Speaker 1: rid of them. But but but you know, constructive criticisms,

2249
01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:34,280
Speaker 1: and people really came on board, and like, I'm honored

2250
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:36,559
Speaker 1: that that you guys have accepted me as a part

2251
01:49:36,560 --> 01:49:38,880
Speaker 1: of this show in this community because I'm like the

2252
01:49:38,960 --> 01:49:43,040
Speaker 1: loan um civilian here and I've learned a lot from everybody.

2253
01:49:43,080 --> 01:49:44,760
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I just wanted to mention that

2254
01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:46,719
Speaker 1: it's not so I'm I try not to be self

2255
01:49:46,760 --> 01:49:49,200
Speaker 1: indulgent on the show or anything, but being that it's

2256
01:49:49,240 --> 01:49:52,040
Speaker 1: episode four hundred, I think it's appropriate to kind of

2257
01:49:52,040 --> 01:49:54,719
Speaker 1: mention that and and like thanks to you guys, meeting

2258
01:49:54,760 --> 01:49:58,360
Speaker 1: you guys, and and also the audience. Yeah, I mean

2259
01:49:58,400 --> 01:50:01,679
Speaker 1: it's been a long road and it's uh, it's still

2260
01:50:01,720 --> 01:50:04,439
Speaker 1: difficult for me to like contextualize all of it, Like

2261
01:50:04,720 --> 01:50:07,439
Speaker 1: episode four hundred, what does it mean? And I mean,

2262
01:50:07,479 --> 01:50:09,280
Speaker 1: I guess there's a cynical part of me is like

2263
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:12,160
Speaker 1: none of it means anything. We all turned to dust

2264
01:50:12,160 --> 01:50:15,280
Speaker 1: in the end. But no, realistically, I mean, like you said,

2265
01:50:15,280 --> 01:50:18,280
Speaker 1: this podcast means something to the listeners. That means something

2266
01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:21,080
Speaker 1: to me. Uh, it means something to a lot of

2267
01:50:21,080 --> 01:50:25,200
Speaker 1: the guests we have on the show that um that

2268
01:50:25,320 --> 01:50:27,800
Speaker 1: it's a platform for them to tell their story. And

2269
01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:29,600
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of veterans who come on

2270
01:50:29,680 --> 01:50:33,839
Speaker 1: the show and there, um, they're they're grateful or tickled

2271
01:50:33,880 --> 01:50:36,360
Speaker 1: even that there are people who take an interest and

2272
01:50:36,400 --> 01:50:39,120
Speaker 1: that want to know their story and respect the hard

2273
01:50:39,120 --> 01:50:43,960
Speaker 1: work they put into the military service. Um. But it's

2274
01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:46,240
Speaker 1: still difficult for me to wrap my mind around because,

2275
01:50:46,240 --> 01:50:48,080
Speaker 1: like you were saying, like for the month of October

2276
01:50:48,120 --> 01:50:51,480
Speaker 1: we had like two hundred thousand, two hundred thousand listens

2277
01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:54,679
Speaker 1: on the podcast. For the year, we're well over a million.

2278
01:50:54,880 --> 01:50:57,840
Speaker 1: It's crazy to think because it's just us here and

2279
01:50:57,960 --> 01:51:00,800
Speaker 1: in a studio. We don't go we don't go somewhere

2280
01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:03,240
Speaker 1: in like Philip and Arena and see all these The

2281
01:51:03,320 --> 01:51:05,320
Speaker 1: closest thing to that is when we go to Shot

2282
01:51:05,400 --> 01:51:08,080
Speaker 1: Show in Vegas and we meet these people and you

2283
01:51:08,120 --> 01:51:11,360
Speaker 1: see them face to face and in Vegas, like during

2284
01:51:11,439 --> 01:51:14,559
Speaker 1: shot Show week, that's like our niche market. Is there

2285
01:51:14,560 --> 01:51:17,360
Speaker 1: a lot of those people. And what was crazy to me.

2286
01:51:17,439 --> 01:51:19,720
Speaker 1: I remember when I realized, Wow, this thing is catching on.

2287
01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:23,160
Speaker 1: Brandon in Vegas a few years back lost his cell

2288
01:51:23,200 --> 01:51:26,240
Speaker 1: phone during Shot Show and of course he was like, Ian,

2289
01:51:26,280 --> 01:51:28,240
Speaker 1: could you go and go to the Apple Store and

2290
01:51:28,360 --> 01:51:30,160
Speaker 1: you know, get me an iPhone? And you know, I

2291
01:51:30,160 --> 01:51:31,880
Speaker 1: have no problem doing that stuff. He did have like

2292
01:51:31,920 --> 01:51:34,599
Speaker 1: business meetings to go to and I remember being there

2293
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:37,600
Speaker 1: and someone being like, you're Ian from Software Brady. And

2294
01:51:37,640 --> 01:51:40,120
Speaker 1: that was the first time that happened when it wasn't

2295
01:51:40,160 --> 01:51:42,479
Speaker 1: at our event. It was just someone who heard my voice.

2296
01:51:42,520 --> 01:51:44,680
Speaker 1: Now every now and again, I'm on the streets in

2297
01:51:44,680 --> 01:51:47,000
Speaker 1: New York City, I'm on my cell phone and they're like, hey,

2298
01:51:47,080 --> 01:51:49,320
Speaker 1: I recognize your voice. You're Ian from Software Brady, And

2299
01:51:49,320 --> 01:51:51,599
Speaker 1: and that blows my mind because none of us are

2300
01:51:51,680 --> 01:51:54,400
Speaker 1: are fucking famous. We're just regular guys. Well, I mean

2301
01:51:54,479 --> 01:51:56,240
Speaker 1: me and you were just a couple of bros doing

2302
01:51:56,240 --> 01:51:58,800
Speaker 1: this podcast. And I mean the guests we have, I

2303
01:51:58,800 --> 01:52:00,240
Speaker 1: mean a lot of them are like Perst and all

2304
01:52:00,280 --> 01:52:03,599
Speaker 1: friends of mine like Jim. Um, A lot of them

2305
01:52:03,600 --> 01:52:07,559
Speaker 1: are other acquaintances, friends, um, people that I know through

2306
01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:10,439
Speaker 1: my network. Um. And then once in a while we

2307
01:52:10,560 --> 01:52:14,160
Speaker 1: have people you know, like Brad Thoron, who Um, you know,

2308
01:52:14,200 --> 01:52:16,120
Speaker 1: they're coming through and doing their book tour and it's

2309
01:52:16,120 --> 01:52:18,519
Speaker 1: super cool to have those guests on. But I mean

2310
01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:21,080
Speaker 1: it feels very much still like a mom and pop

2311
01:52:21,120 --> 01:52:23,920
Speaker 1: shop kind of operation to me. Um. But if you

2312
01:52:23,960 --> 01:52:27,320
Speaker 1: look at those numbers of people listening to this podcast,

2313
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:31,240
Speaker 1: it's way bigger than that. And UM, it's just hard

2314
01:52:31,240 --> 01:52:33,479
Speaker 1: for me to wrap my mind around that that over

2315
01:52:33,600 --> 01:52:37,479
Speaker 1: a million people or maybe not a million individual people,

2316
01:52:37,479 --> 01:52:40,240
Speaker 1: but there's been well over a million listens to this podcast,

2317
01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:45,080
Speaker 1: over six million, yeah over time. But this year, oh

2318
01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:48,240
Speaker 1: this year, yeah, so it's about over a million and

2319
01:52:48,240 --> 01:52:51,120
Speaker 1: a half, So like one point five million listens. I mean,

2320
01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:54,200
Speaker 1: what does that mean? I mean, how do you even

2321
01:52:54,320 --> 01:52:56,880
Speaker 1: articulate that? I mean, that's just insane to me. And

2322
01:52:56,920 --> 01:52:58,800
Speaker 1: I showed you the country is because they listed all

2323
01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:01,400
Speaker 1: that on sound Quad, yes, and you're like, wow, you know,

2324
01:53:01,479 --> 01:53:05,280
Speaker 1: you see Canada, a lot of listeners in Australia, but

2325
01:53:05,320 --> 01:53:08,760
Speaker 1: then even you know countries like Greece and um, you know,

2326
01:53:09,160 --> 01:53:12,720
Speaker 1: Israel and Yeingapore. And for I mean for me, I

2327
01:53:12,760 --> 01:53:17,120
Speaker 1: think what this podcast has done is, um, I know, Ian,

2328
01:53:17,160 --> 01:53:20,040
Speaker 1: you get me like talking about politics and social issues

2329
01:53:20,080 --> 01:53:21,840
Speaker 1: on here, which is like not what I want to do.

2330
01:53:21,960 --> 01:53:24,040
Speaker 1: And I know some people, maybe some people like to

2331
01:53:24,040 --> 01:53:26,240
Speaker 1: hear that, but really I don't think anyone comes to

2332
01:53:26,280 --> 01:53:29,320
Speaker 1: the podcast to hear Jack Murphy opine on. It's hard

2333
01:53:29,439 --> 01:53:31,280
Speaker 1: not to though, just because of the world we live in.

2334
01:53:31,320 --> 01:53:34,000
Speaker 1: And yeah it does intersect with the military, because I

2335
01:53:34,120 --> 01:53:36,800
Speaker 1: get shipped for that too sometimes. But it's like, you know,

2336
01:53:37,240 --> 01:53:39,880
Speaker 1: if we're talking about what's going on with the war

2337
01:53:39,960 --> 01:53:43,200
Speaker 1: and Iran and a statement General Maddis makes or something,

2338
01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:45,960
Speaker 1: it's gonna lead to politics. But I think the real

2339
01:53:46,160 --> 01:53:49,679
Speaker 1: value of this podcast is that what we've been able

2340
01:53:49,720 --> 01:53:52,640
Speaker 1: to do is to bring people like Jim west On,

2341
01:53:53,200 --> 01:53:58,360
Speaker 1: who had these incredible careers, as Dale said, within the

2342
01:53:58,400 --> 01:54:02,839
Speaker 1: special forces community. That's like a legend. But the wider public,

2343
01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:06,160
Speaker 1: John Q public doesn't get it. They don't know who

2344
01:54:06,160 --> 01:54:09,240
Speaker 1: this guy is. Uh, they don't know what he's done.

2345
01:54:09,880 --> 01:54:13,200
Speaker 1: They don't know that. They don't understand what that means,

2346
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:16,400
Speaker 1: what these people were doing. And we've done that with

2347
01:54:16,520 --> 01:54:18,559
Speaker 1: a lot of different people, a lot of guys who

2348
01:54:18,600 --> 01:54:23,240
Speaker 1: served in Special Forces and Rangers, PJ Seals, Delta Force,

2349
01:54:23,760 --> 01:54:26,880
Speaker 1: uh C, i A, all these different organizations, and we've

2350
01:54:26,880 --> 01:54:28,680
Speaker 1: been able to bring these people who are as far

2351
01:54:28,720 --> 01:54:31,759
Speaker 1: as the public is concerned, or obscure personalities and bring

2352
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:34,720
Speaker 1: them to the forefront to tell their story. And that

2353
01:54:34,840 --> 01:54:38,080
Speaker 1: that's really what the podcast means to me and what

2354
01:54:38,200 --> 01:54:41,840
Speaker 1: I feel the real value of this outfit and this

2355
01:54:42,040 --> 01:54:45,320
Speaker 1: endeavor has been, and it's something we're going to continue

2356
01:54:45,360 --> 01:54:49,600
Speaker 1: to do. I'm working on some other people. To me,

2357
01:54:49,720 --> 01:54:53,600
Speaker 1: who are like high profile rockstar guests, but to the person,

2358
01:54:53,640 --> 01:54:58,560
Speaker 1: the average American has no idea, who don't know why,

2359
01:54:58,760 --> 01:55:00,480
Speaker 1: they have no idea who these people a larder. But

2360
01:55:00,520 --> 01:55:02,480
Speaker 1: to me, I I see like a little like like

2361
01:55:02,600 --> 01:55:05,040
Speaker 1: sun rays of sunlight coming from behind their head and

2362
01:55:05,040 --> 01:55:08,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god. So I mean, it's just

2363
01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:11,200
Speaker 1: very exciting for me to be able to um reach

2364
01:55:11,240 --> 01:55:13,520
Speaker 1: out to those people and have them on, and to

2365
01:55:13,680 --> 01:55:16,280
Speaker 1: have Jim West come on and tell his story and

2366
01:55:16,320 --> 01:55:20,360
Speaker 1: tell these stories about running around Honduras. And that is

2367
01:55:20,400 --> 01:55:22,960
Speaker 1: the first time Jim was ever on. You're like, holy

2368
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:24,720
Speaker 1: sh it, you're not gonna believe this guy that we're

2369
01:55:24,720 --> 01:55:27,440
Speaker 1: getting on. You know, before you guys were like good

2370
01:55:27,480 --> 01:55:32,160
Speaker 1: friends and before Jim was even comfortable coming in studio. Yeah, well,

2371
01:55:32,200 --> 01:55:34,400
Speaker 1: it's been good to me. I enjoy it. Yeah, I

2372
01:55:34,400 --> 01:55:36,680
Speaker 1: answered the call. When have you guys? You really do,

2373
01:55:36,760 --> 01:55:40,400
Speaker 1: which I genuinely appreciate Jim gives. It gives us a

2374
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:45,040
Speaker 1: chance to share bits and pieces of our story without

2375
01:55:45,120 --> 01:55:48,080
Speaker 1: being judged. I mean, I don't read the emails, so

2376
01:55:48,360 --> 01:55:52,160
Speaker 1: I've never judged. Everybody walks, you know, the audience responds

2377
01:55:52,280 --> 01:55:54,600
Speaker 1: very well every time you come on, and it's just

2378
01:55:54,680 --> 01:55:56,960
Speaker 1: awesome that your local and when have you come in studio?

2379
01:55:57,040 --> 01:56:02,000
Speaker 1: Also good good friendship beyond everything. Yeah, the thing that

2380
01:56:02,120 --> 01:56:05,200
Speaker 1: separates what we do. I think. You know, it's been

2381
01:56:05,240 --> 01:56:07,600
Speaker 1: a while with guys putting out books and that type

2382
01:56:07,600 --> 01:56:10,040
Speaker 1: of thing. I've mentioned this before on the show, but

2383
01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:15,320
Speaker 1: it's just one of these like um indicative um symbolic

2384
01:56:15,440 --> 01:56:18,200
Speaker 1: things that I think of of the difference between our

2385
01:56:18,280 --> 01:56:21,919
Speaker 1: podcast in the mainstream media. I remember one night watching

2386
01:56:22,040 --> 01:56:24,720
Speaker 1: one of these Hannity panels where they have like all

2387
01:56:24,840 --> 01:56:28,120
Speaker 1: these people in bleachers responding to things going on, and

2388
01:56:28,240 --> 01:56:31,080
Speaker 1: Nick Irving was in there and they're talking about Isis.

2389
01:56:31,120 --> 01:56:33,800
Speaker 1: They're talking about things that Nick was the most qualified

2390
01:56:33,800 --> 01:56:35,880
Speaker 1: guy to go to on that panel, and I'm like,

2391
01:56:36,080 --> 01:56:38,960
Speaker 1: I'm watching Joe Taka Pena, a Rod's lawyer, like give

2392
01:56:39,000 --> 01:56:41,800
Speaker 1: his take on ICEIS. I'm like, go to Nick, And

2393
01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:43,800
Speaker 1: I remember and Nick is not the type of guy

2394
01:56:43,920 --> 01:56:47,280
Speaker 1: who's like very boastful about everything, or you know, we'll

2395
01:56:47,440 --> 01:56:50,240
Speaker 1: have to have the spotlight at him. And I remember

2396
01:56:50,240 --> 01:56:53,160
Speaker 1: watching this whole panel and I rarely watch mainstream media

2397
01:56:53,600 --> 01:56:58,320
Speaker 1: and Hannity being like Nick Irving, you know, rim Ranger, sniper,

2398
01:56:58,320 --> 01:57:00,160
Speaker 1: I'd love to go shooting with you sometimes, Hi, and

2399
01:57:00,240 --> 01:57:02,360
Speaker 1: Nick was like any time. And I think that was

2400
01:57:02,400 --> 01:57:05,440
Speaker 1: his whole contribution to the panel, Like as opposed to

2401
01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:08,120
Speaker 1: you come on this show and we do a spotlight

2402
01:57:08,120 --> 01:57:10,280
Speaker 1: are you like we just did with Dale, and we

2403
01:57:10,360 --> 01:57:12,120
Speaker 1: go an hour and a half and we get into

2404
01:57:12,160 --> 01:57:16,360
Speaker 1: your story, and one of the things was that, um,

2405
01:57:16,440 --> 01:57:19,120
Speaker 1: you gotta Okay, should I wrap this up for we're

2406
01:57:19,160 --> 01:57:22,200
Speaker 1: we're getting we're Jim probably has to go back to work.

2407
01:57:22,680 --> 01:57:25,040
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, let me so let me wrap this up.

2408
01:57:25,120 --> 01:57:26,880
Speaker 1: That's fine. But the thing I was going to mention,

2409
01:57:26,920 --> 01:57:31,520
Speaker 1: if that's cool, is um just that one of the

2410
01:57:31,560 --> 01:57:33,960
Speaker 1: things that I think is the genius of this podcast,

2411
01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:35,760
Speaker 1: I guess you could say, or just coincidence, was the

2412
01:57:35,840 --> 01:57:37,920
Speaker 1: timing of you and Brandon of when to put it out.

2413
01:57:38,160 --> 01:57:40,200
Speaker 1: We were I mean, we were like the first on

2414
01:57:40,240 --> 01:57:43,040
Speaker 1: the scene. I mean, now everyone is a podcast. Everyone

2415
01:57:43,080 --> 01:57:47,000
Speaker 1: has a podcast. There's like dozens of military podcasts. There's

2416
01:57:47,200 --> 01:57:51,360
Speaker 1: there's s GW veteran podcasts, there's like conservative veteran podcast

2417
01:57:51,680 --> 01:57:55,760
Speaker 1: and I think operating operationally in operational environment, you know,

2418
01:57:56,240 --> 01:57:58,000
Speaker 1: there are a dime a dozen now and I feel

2419
01:57:58,000 --> 01:58:00,520
Speaker 1: like you guys did this at the right time and

2420
01:58:01,240 --> 01:58:05,520
Speaker 1: timing is everything. So I know, you gotta go, Jim, Jim,

2421
01:58:05,960 --> 01:58:08,120
Speaker 1: we can, we can finish up. You've got emails and stuff,

2422
01:58:08,160 --> 01:58:13,320
Speaker 1: but well, Jim, thanks as always man, American Extension Fighting

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01:58:13,440 --> 01:58:16,440
Speaker 1: dot com. People want to check out the website anything

2424
01:58:16,440 --> 01:58:18,400
Speaker 1: else before you gotta And you know what I was

2425
01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:20,800
Speaker 1: going to mention as well, during the interview. I didn't

2426
01:58:20,800 --> 01:58:23,120
Speaker 1: want to interrupt during this whole thing, but just to

2427
01:58:23,240 --> 01:58:25,960
Speaker 1: qualify with the audience you were talking about that this

2428
01:58:26,040 --> 01:58:27,920
Speaker 1: is a different book that you want to put out,

2429
01:58:27,960 --> 01:58:32,000
Speaker 1: not the book that Jack helped with. Correct. This book

2430
01:58:32,040 --> 01:58:36,000
Speaker 1: is about survival in the streets and how to turn

2431
01:58:36,120 --> 01:58:42,040
Speaker 1: your defensive mindset into an offensive mindset in less than

2432
01:58:42,080 --> 01:58:47,560
Speaker 1: a second. So it's taken the harsh realities that and

2433
01:58:47,640 --> 01:58:51,360
Speaker 1: teach you how to train for any situation, how to

2434
01:58:51,440 --> 01:58:55,240
Speaker 1: answer the mail in a street fight, but yet transition

2435
01:58:55,280 --> 01:58:57,800
Speaker 1: that into any other part of your life just by

2436
01:58:57,840 --> 01:59:02,240
Speaker 1: developing confidence. And that confidence comes through real world training,

2437
01:59:02,320 --> 01:59:04,840
Speaker 1: you know, like the stuff that we're gonna offer, breaking

2438
01:59:04,880 --> 01:59:08,200
Speaker 1: down the technical principles, uh, teaching people how to make

2439
01:59:08,280 --> 01:59:13,280
Speaker 1: it count. You know, like I can take uh, no disrespect,

2440
01:59:13,400 --> 01:59:17,120
Speaker 1: but ten pound female now with some of the training

2441
01:59:17,200 --> 01:59:22,360
Speaker 1: techniques and that I've recently put together, and within thirty

2442
01:59:22,400 --> 01:59:27,360
Speaker 1: minutes half her at a touch, firing full tilt punches

2443
01:59:27,520 --> 01:59:32,360
Speaker 1: without panic, and uh, it's awesome. I challenge others to

2444
01:59:32,400 --> 01:59:36,040
Speaker 1: do that, you know. So the book itself is about fighting,

2445
01:59:36,120 --> 01:59:40,320
Speaker 1: is built around real world fights. It's an instruction manual

2446
01:59:40,400 --> 01:59:44,200
Speaker 1: really right, It's it's Uh, it's an instructional manual, but

2447
01:59:44,280 --> 01:59:47,720
Speaker 1: it's to a point. It teaches you how to train

2448
01:59:48,720 --> 01:59:52,280
Speaker 1: in any environment. Whether it's a closet or out in

2449
01:59:52,280 --> 01:59:55,560
Speaker 1: the field or in a karate club, boxing r it

2450
01:59:55,600 --> 01:59:59,440
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. It allows you to based off a real

2451
02:00:00,080 --> 02:00:03,480
Speaker 1: fights that I've been in. I take the fight principles

2452
02:00:03,560 --> 02:00:07,440
Speaker 1: and technical principles like I was good here where my

2453
02:00:07,560 --> 02:00:11,320
Speaker 1: failures were? Uh, And then it kind of hyper explained

2454
02:00:11,320 --> 02:00:14,600
Speaker 1: that throughout the book. Like I said, each chapter evolves

2455
02:00:14,600 --> 02:00:17,800
Speaker 1: around the real fights that I've been in. So who

2456
02:00:17,880 --> 02:00:19,920
Speaker 1: better to tell the story about it? You fight? It

2457
02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:22,240
Speaker 1: would be awesome. I'm looking forward to it. I have

2458
02:00:22,440 --> 02:00:24,720
Speaker 1: said it to you off air, but like, I just

2459
02:00:24,720 --> 02:00:27,120
Speaker 1: want to see the first book out already and working

2460
02:00:27,120 --> 02:00:29,680
Speaker 1: on the second book. But well, I have a witness.

2461
02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:33,840
Speaker 1: I've actually contracted another, yet another ghostwriter, just to kick

2462
02:00:33,920 --> 02:00:40,000
Speaker 1: this first book over the finish line. Something tells me once, no, no, no,

2463
02:00:40,240 --> 02:00:43,160
Speaker 1: that's gonna come out afterwards. I want to get more

2464
02:00:43,240 --> 02:00:49,760
Speaker 1: interest before the autobiography that Check was involved with immensely,

2465
02:00:49,960 --> 02:00:52,280
Speaker 1: you know, So I want to build more of a

2466
02:00:52,320 --> 02:00:55,440
Speaker 1: client base readers, and then I want to push the

2467
02:00:55,640 --> 02:00:59,040
Speaker 1: autobiography out. So this thing better come out though I'm

2468
02:00:59,120 --> 02:01:01,600
Speaker 1: dying to see it out, and it's always the audience man,

2469
02:01:02,560 --> 02:01:05,120
Speaker 1: so will No. I think this is gonna be good

2470
02:01:05,120 --> 02:01:07,440
Speaker 1: because it's not like an autobiography. You know how difficult

2471
02:01:07,440 --> 02:01:13,320
Speaker 1: they are. This is I walked in Rick's lounge, got

2472
02:01:13,360 --> 02:01:16,000
Speaker 1: hit in the head with a bare bottle, and and

2473
02:01:16,000 --> 02:01:18,720
Speaker 1: and one of the stories that Dale he said the

2474
02:01:18,760 --> 02:01:22,040
Speaker 1: five or six guys were all in the h E

2475
02:01:22,320 --> 02:01:25,200
Speaker 1: R together. What happened was I put five guys in

2476
02:01:25,200 --> 02:01:28,520
Speaker 1: the hospital that that night he's talking about, and it

2477
02:01:28,640 --> 02:01:31,600
Speaker 1: cut my nose off, cheeks forty some stitches in my head.

2478
02:01:32,440 --> 02:01:34,240
Speaker 1: I beat every one of them, put one of them

2479
02:01:34,240 --> 02:01:37,800
Speaker 1: in a wheelchair, but I had to get some stitches.

2480
02:01:38,400 --> 02:01:42,160
Speaker 1: So I drive myself to e Er, which Dale didn't

2481
02:01:42,560 --> 02:01:46,640
Speaker 1: bring out with Jerry Gooney, who was a number one

2482
02:01:46,680 --> 02:01:50,840
Speaker 1: training partner of of Gary O'Neill back in the day.

2483
02:01:50,920 --> 02:01:52,640
Speaker 1: Didn't you see him when you were at Serious x

2484
02:01:52,800 --> 02:01:55,280
Speaker 1: M because he worked there. Did you run into him? No,

2485
02:01:55,520 --> 02:01:59,640
Speaker 1: he's he's uh decease. Now who am I thinking you're

2486
02:01:59,640 --> 02:02:02,200
Speaker 1: telling us someone else? But yes, yes, yes, and yes,

2487
02:02:02,280 --> 02:02:05,040
Speaker 1: but but but I drove myself there and they go,

2488
02:02:05,080 --> 02:02:08,720
Speaker 1: oh my god, he needs to go in here and

2489
02:02:08,720 --> 02:02:11,160
Speaker 1: get stitched up. So they take me in there, and

2490
02:02:11,160 --> 02:02:13,480
Speaker 1: there's all these police in there, and all these guys

2491
02:02:13,480 --> 02:02:17,040
Speaker 1: on gurneys and they're taking their statements and one of

2492
02:02:17,120 --> 02:02:20,880
Speaker 1: them goes, there's that asshole, And so three or four

2493
02:02:20,920 --> 02:02:25,440
Speaker 1: cops get around my gurney and they put this plastic

2494
02:02:25,520 --> 02:02:29,040
Speaker 1: thing over my face just so I couldn't see. And

2495
02:02:29,040 --> 02:02:30,880
Speaker 1: I told me, don't worry about it, don't sit up,

2496
02:02:30,920 --> 02:02:33,080
Speaker 1: don't look at anybody. I for fear that I might

2497
02:02:33,200 --> 02:02:36,480
Speaker 1: continue at the battle and the R well, so they

2498
02:02:36,520 --> 02:02:39,560
Speaker 1: just uncovered a little pats so that up like you know,

2499
02:02:39,840 --> 02:02:41,960
Speaker 1: while they put all the stitches, and then they escorted

2500
02:02:41,960 --> 02:02:44,320
Speaker 1: me out of the e R because they were still

2501
02:02:44,360 --> 02:02:46,680
Speaker 1: treating the other guys. This is who I'm thinking of,

2502
02:02:46,720 --> 02:02:49,600
Speaker 1: by the way, Jerry Cooney, because he works it seriously. No, no, no,

2503
02:02:49,720 --> 02:02:53,480
Speaker 1: that's Jerry Gooney and Jerry Cooney are two different guys.

2504
02:02:53,000 --> 02:02:56,320
Speaker 1: He was a world champion boxer back in the day. Yeah,

2505
02:02:56,360 --> 02:02:59,120
Speaker 1: I'm but I'm just thinking fighting in the name Jerry

2506
02:02:59,160 --> 02:03:02,920
Speaker 1: Cooney or it's a coincidence, Jerry. Jerry Gooney was a

2507
02:03:02,960 --> 02:03:06,200
Speaker 1: guy that ran away from the United States, um not

2508
02:03:06,320 --> 02:03:08,960
Speaker 1: knowing which direction and little trouble with the law, and

2509
02:03:09,480 --> 02:03:12,600
Speaker 1: she spent sixteen years in the French Foreign Legion. He

2510
02:03:12,720 --> 02:03:15,480
Speaker 1: just showed up knocking on the door, didn't speak any French.

2511
02:03:16,120 --> 02:03:18,400
Speaker 1: Came back and he worked as a bouncer and a

2512
02:03:18,440 --> 02:03:20,960
Speaker 1: strip club. He did what I ain't doing, train with

2513
02:03:21,000 --> 02:03:24,880
Speaker 1: Garry O'Neil, and allegedly he uh would slip out of

2514
02:03:24,880 --> 02:03:27,320
Speaker 1: the darkness every now and then and do some work

2515
02:03:27,400 --> 02:03:29,400
Speaker 1: for some mob or the other. I don't know, but

2516
02:03:29,760 --> 02:03:32,440
Speaker 1: they found him about now five or six years ago.

2517
02:03:32,480 --> 02:03:36,000
Speaker 1: He's dead in his bedrooms. Is this fight story the

2518
02:03:36,040 --> 02:03:38,040
Speaker 1: same one where you were bleeding all over and you

2519
02:03:38,080 --> 02:03:41,520
Speaker 1: start spraying bloods? I have aids. I have aids to

2520
02:03:41,520 --> 02:03:43,480
Speaker 1: get people to get away from you. Yeah, the cops

2521
02:03:43,480 --> 02:03:45,120
Speaker 1: like you gotta you know, we gotta get go. And

2522
02:03:45,120 --> 02:03:48,280
Speaker 1: I'll turn around like three people I wanted to spectating

2523
02:03:48,280 --> 02:03:51,160
Speaker 1: in the way, cop holding his badge up and I go,

2524
02:03:51,800 --> 02:03:54,680
Speaker 1: I got this, and he goes. I started shaking my head,

2525
02:03:54,720 --> 02:03:57,120
Speaker 1: blood flying everywhere. I go, get out of my way.

2526
02:03:57,160 --> 02:04:00,160
Speaker 1: I got aids. I'm bleeding, motherfucker's you know, like look

2527
02:04:00,240 --> 02:04:03,520
Speaker 1: like Moses party in the Red City. I turned around

2528
02:04:04,240 --> 02:04:06,560
Speaker 1: the wave of the cop off He's like, he's twenty

2529
02:04:06,560 --> 02:04:09,840
Speaker 1: ft aways. I'm just bullshit. I'll just try trying to

2530
02:04:09,840 --> 02:04:14,120
Speaker 1: get outside. He comes back up, you know, and all right,

2531
02:04:14,160 --> 02:04:16,440
Speaker 1: let's let you get going. Yeah, I know you gotta go.

2532
02:04:16,960 --> 02:04:19,360
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming by today. It's good to see you.

2533
02:04:20,880 --> 02:04:25,520
Speaker 1: Thanks's one point five million people for not tolerating us.

2534
02:04:25,800 --> 02:04:28,120
Speaker 1: It was good putting me in Dale and you guys

2535
02:04:28,200 --> 02:04:30,960
Speaker 1: together today because I haven't seen Dale a little while. Well,

2536
02:04:31,000 --> 02:04:34,480
Speaker 1: I was just contemplating what to do for episode four hundred,

2537
02:04:34,480 --> 02:04:36,960
Speaker 1: and we were throwing around ideas and it worked. Yeah,

2538
02:04:37,120 --> 02:04:39,000
Speaker 1: this is great. Now we just have to figure out

2539
02:04:39,000 --> 02:04:42,360
Speaker 1: what we do for episode five hundred. So you know,

2540
02:04:42,400 --> 02:04:44,200
Speaker 1: you come in and we'll smoke marriage and want a

2541
02:04:44,280 --> 02:04:47,200
Speaker 1: cigarettes together and talk about UFOs or something. I'll be

2542
02:04:47,240 --> 02:04:49,680
Speaker 1: the first to admit. Originally Jack's idea, it was like,

2543
02:04:49,680 --> 02:04:52,720
Speaker 1: I said, we should get drunk. Yeah, but it is uh,

2544
02:04:52,960 --> 02:04:55,800
Speaker 1: it's ten am now, so it's a little Also, I'll

2545
02:04:55,800 --> 02:04:57,840
Speaker 1: be the first to admit I just don't drink. So

2546
02:04:58,320 --> 02:05:02,200
Speaker 1: Jack was like, come on, motherfucker, I drink on the

2547
02:05:02,280 --> 02:05:04,160
Speaker 1: upper end of social But I mean this is a

2548
02:05:04,160 --> 02:05:08,080
Speaker 1: little bit all right, we'll get to some emails. I'll

2549
02:05:08,160 --> 02:05:14,040
Speaker 1: let you get out of here. Thanks. Show. I'm gonna

2550
02:05:14,720 --> 02:05:19,840
Speaker 1: turn Jim's mic off. We'll wrap up with these emails, um,

2551
02:05:19,880 --> 02:05:22,120
Speaker 1: because we got just a couple, and then we'll call

2552
02:05:22,160 --> 02:05:25,200
Speaker 1: it a show along show. No worries, No, not a problem.

2553
02:05:25,200 --> 02:05:27,920
Speaker 1: And as I said, Jim, I'll see you. I'll see

2554
02:05:27,920 --> 02:05:34,640
Speaker 1: you next week. Okay, we'll have lunch. Okay. Cool. But

2555
02:05:34,680 --> 02:05:36,960
Speaker 1: by the way we record, we we are recording this,

2556
02:05:37,080 --> 02:05:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, the whole thing, So don't say anything, okay, Okay.

2557
02:05:40,480 --> 02:05:42,520
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure that Jim does because

2558
02:05:42,520 --> 02:05:44,680
Speaker 1: we've been recording these like in real times. I just

2559
02:05:44,920 --> 02:05:50,800
Speaker 1: want to make sure, all right. So wrapping things up

2560
02:05:50,920 --> 02:05:53,640
Speaker 1: here with these two emails, let's get to this first

2561
02:05:53,640 --> 02:05:56,680
Speaker 1: one from Stephanie. Hey, y'all, I just wanted to pass

2562
02:05:56,720 --> 02:05:59,600
Speaker 1: along a bit of news that is happening in Oregon City, Oregon.

2563
02:06:00,040 --> 02:06:02,640
Speaker 1: The city is looking to name a nine acre piece

2564
02:06:02,680 --> 02:06:05,640
Speaker 1: of land next to the Oregon City High School and

2565
02:06:05,720 --> 02:06:08,880
Speaker 1: name it Tyrone S Woods Memorial Park in honor of

2566
02:06:08,920 --> 02:06:11,920
Speaker 1: Tyrone and his service to this nation. The final vote

2567
02:06:12,000 --> 02:06:15,440
Speaker 1: is on December five, and the park should officially open

2568
02:06:15,520 --> 02:06:18,080
Speaker 1: around that time next year. I think that it would

2569
02:06:18,120 --> 02:06:19,920
Speaker 1: make a hell of a party if vets from the

2570
02:06:19,960 --> 02:06:23,000
Speaker 1: area and elsewhere can make it for the official opening.

2571
02:06:23,280 --> 02:06:25,400
Speaker 1: It's good to have places for folks to go and

2572
02:06:25,480 --> 02:06:28,880
Speaker 1: remember those who have gone before before, even when it

2573
02:06:28,920 --> 02:06:31,560
Speaker 1: sucks that they are no longer in our lives. Thank

2574
02:06:31,560 --> 02:06:33,560
Speaker 1: you for all the guests that you have on and

2575
02:06:33,600 --> 02:06:36,000
Speaker 1: for all that you do. Blessings. So I figured to

2576
02:06:36,120 --> 02:06:38,000
Speaker 1: bring that up because Ty Woods is a guy we've

2577
02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:41,280
Speaker 1: mentioned before on the podcast. Unfortunately, one of those guys

2578
02:06:41,320 --> 02:06:45,840
Speaker 1: who passed away in Benghazi. UM and yeah, so that's

2579
02:06:45,840 --> 02:06:48,200
Speaker 1: really yeah, Now that's cool that they're that they're doing

2580
02:06:48,240 --> 02:06:51,560
Speaker 1: that to remember him. UM. I didn't know Ty I

2581
02:06:52,520 --> 02:06:55,240
Speaker 1: my understanding, was a really good guy and the stuff

2582
02:06:55,280 --> 02:06:58,560
Speaker 1: he did in Benghazi. You know, he was somebody who

2583
02:06:58,560 --> 02:07:02,000
Speaker 1: really kind of manned up to the situation, um and

2584
02:07:02,280 --> 02:07:05,400
Speaker 1: decided to take action. So, I mean, he's definitely an

2585
02:07:05,440 --> 02:07:08,960
Speaker 1: admirable person for that. UM I did. I had met

2586
02:07:09,000 --> 02:07:14,280
Speaker 1: glend Doherty once before. UM And you know, it's, uh,

2587
02:07:14,560 --> 02:07:17,280
Speaker 1: it's sad, you know whenever I think back on that,

2588
02:07:17,880 --> 02:07:20,360
Speaker 1: because he was a young guy. He's like super stud

2589
02:07:20,600 --> 02:07:23,680
Speaker 1: He's almost like the Navy seal everyone imagines when they

2590
02:07:23,680 --> 02:07:25,600
Speaker 1: think of a Navy seal because he was also into

2591
02:07:25,640 --> 02:07:27,480
Speaker 1: like all these sports and stuff like that, and you

2592
02:07:27,640 --> 02:07:30,200
Speaker 1: like he was in super good shape. Just really he

2593
02:07:30,280 --> 02:07:32,520
Speaker 1: just came across like a really nice, down to earth guy.

2594
02:07:32,800 --> 02:07:37,280
Speaker 1: And um, it's kind of surreal how these guys became

2595
02:07:38,680 --> 02:07:46,120
Speaker 1: like like national news discussions, um after they died in Benghazi. Um,

2596
02:07:46,440 --> 02:07:49,480
Speaker 1: there's just something surreal about that to me. But and

2597
02:07:49,520 --> 02:07:52,000
Speaker 1: it's also just very sad whenever I think about that.

2598
02:07:52,320 --> 02:07:55,880
Speaker 1: But you know, uh, that they're gonna you know, memorialized

2599
02:07:56,080 --> 02:07:58,560
Speaker 1: Tie in this manner. I mean that's that's great. And

2600
02:07:58,800 --> 02:08:01,680
Speaker 1: you know, he just or it really. Yeah, I figured

2601
02:08:01,680 --> 02:08:04,280
Speaker 1: I get the news out there when we got that email.

2602
02:08:04,840 --> 02:08:07,200
Speaker 1: On a light note, by the way, whenever I heard

2603
02:08:07,240 --> 02:08:09,160
Speaker 1: the two names of you know, the Seals that died

2604
02:08:09,240 --> 02:08:13,120
Speaker 1: and Benghazi, I just I mentioned this for the hell

2605
02:08:13,160 --> 02:08:14,840
Speaker 1: of it. But it's just I have never met a

2606
02:08:14,840 --> 02:08:19,000
Speaker 1: white guy named Tyrone. When I heard Tyrone Woods, I

2607
02:08:19,040 --> 02:08:23,920
Speaker 1: figured black dude. I'm trying to think now, it's just

2608
02:08:24,000 --> 02:08:27,480
Speaker 1: that is not a typical Caucasian name. Well, like a

2609
02:08:27,520 --> 02:08:29,680
Speaker 1: white guy named ty like you could think maybe he's

2610
02:08:29,720 --> 02:08:34,120
Speaker 1: like a millennial like t A. I Yeah, but that

2611
02:08:34,240 --> 02:08:37,240
Speaker 1: was just always interesting when I heard the name on

2612
02:08:37,320 --> 02:08:39,360
Speaker 1: a white note there but no be a part of

2613
02:08:39,400 --> 02:08:43,080
Speaker 1: that that it's a great thing to memorialize him. This

2614
02:08:43,120 --> 02:08:45,880
Speaker 1: is an email from Seawan Hastings for you. Hey, guys,

2615
02:08:45,960 --> 02:08:48,440
Speaker 1: I was wondering if Jack could explain some of the

2616
02:08:48,520 --> 02:08:53,560
Speaker 1: similarities and differences between quote bad guys American troops engaged

2617
02:08:53,640 --> 02:08:56,480
Speaker 1: during the Vietnam War versus the insurgent groups found in

2618
02:08:56,520 --> 02:08:59,760
Speaker 1: Afghanistan and Iraq during the g WAT era. I'm a

2619
02:08:59,840 --> 02:09:05,040
Speaker 1: hit stream major. I'm interested in niche details like this. Thanks. Well,

2620
02:09:05,080 --> 02:09:06,920
Speaker 1: I mean that's a really good question, and I mean

2621
02:09:07,080 --> 02:09:11,160
Speaker 1: it's a good subject for study for academics also to

2622
02:09:11,800 --> 02:09:14,680
Speaker 1: look at the similarities and the differences and you know,

2623
02:09:14,800 --> 02:09:20,400
Speaker 1: help us um understand insurgents and guerilla warfare. And but

2624
02:09:20,520 --> 02:09:23,480
Speaker 1: I think what's interesting about this question is like, just

2625
02:09:23,680 --> 02:09:26,520
Speaker 1: in the last couple of years, you've seen the media

2626
02:09:27,360 --> 02:09:31,520
Speaker 1: and even some corners of academia using this buzzword hybrid warfare,

2627
02:09:32,120 --> 02:09:34,040
Speaker 1: and it's like, what the hell are you guys talking about.

2628
02:09:34,080 --> 02:09:37,560
Speaker 1: They're saying, like Vladimir Putin invented a totally new type

2629
02:09:37,600 --> 02:09:41,040
Speaker 1: of war, and this is this is why we should

2630
02:09:41,040 --> 02:09:46,000
Speaker 1: be teaching military history and universities and schools because only

2631
02:09:46,040 --> 02:09:48,280
Speaker 1: if you live in some sort of historical void would

2632
02:09:48,280 --> 02:09:50,920
Speaker 1: you believe that hybrid warfare is some new kind of thing.

2633
02:09:51,400 --> 02:09:55,440
Speaker 1: The viet Cong practiced hybrid warfare. You know, they're they're

2634
02:09:55,480 --> 02:10:00,560
Speaker 1: all sorts of different UM, guerilla paramilitary organization that used

2635
02:10:00,600 --> 02:10:04,240
Speaker 1: what what people want to call hybrid warfare. UM. Honestly,

2636
02:10:04,280 --> 02:10:08,160
Speaker 1: there's a lot of similarities between UM, you know, say,

2637
02:10:08,160 --> 02:10:12,720
Speaker 1: the viet Cong and the Taliban or um what we

2638
02:10:12,840 --> 02:10:16,600
Speaker 1: called a q u i al Qaida in Iraq. Um

2639
02:10:16,960 --> 02:10:19,720
Speaker 1: isis is a little bit different because they used conventional

2640
02:10:19,760 --> 02:10:21,880
Speaker 1: tactics and then they would switch back and forth to

2641
02:10:22,000 --> 02:10:25,760
Speaker 1: unconventional when those conventional tactics failed to That's sort of

2642
02:10:25,920 --> 02:10:31,040
Speaker 1: another situation. UM. But I mean, they were both they're

2643
02:10:31,040 --> 02:10:35,640
Speaker 1: both asymmetrical environments. There's no front line, it's UM. It's

2644
02:10:35,640 --> 02:10:41,400
Speaker 1: not warfare, bi attrition, it's not maneuver warfare, it's guerilla warfare. UM.

2645
02:10:41,960 --> 02:10:45,680
Speaker 1: They're the enemy is blending in with the local population.

2646
02:10:45,800 --> 02:10:49,440
Speaker 1: They're living off the local economy. They are leveraging their

2647
02:10:49,480 --> 02:10:53,200
Speaker 1: intimate familiarity with the terrain that they have that the

2648
02:10:53,240 --> 02:10:58,240
Speaker 1: American soldiers don't have. UM. I mean, and and they're

2649
02:10:58,240 --> 02:11:02,400
Speaker 1: not to be underestimated. So they're using those guerilla warfare

2650
02:11:02,440 --> 02:11:07,200
Speaker 1: tactics uh. And it's something that the US military still

2651
02:11:07,240 --> 02:11:10,320
Speaker 1: struggles with. I mean, we've gotten better at it, um,

2652
02:11:10,400 --> 02:11:13,560
Speaker 1: at dealing with them. I think we've gotten better at

2653
02:11:13,720 --> 02:11:17,440
Speaker 1: killing insurgents are killing guerilla warfare fighters, but we're we

2654
02:11:17,480 --> 02:11:21,840
Speaker 1: haven't done really any better at UM since the Vietnam War.

2655
02:11:22,400 --> 02:11:27,480
Speaker 1: Is that overall counterinsurgency strategy, we have not been able

2656
02:11:27,520 --> 02:11:32,360
Speaker 1: to resolve the underlying social and political uh roots that

2657
02:11:32,440 --> 02:11:35,680
Speaker 1: cause insurgencies. Were not any better at that today than

2658
02:11:35,720 --> 02:11:39,360
Speaker 1: we were in the nineteen sixties. UM. So that's the

2659
02:11:39,440 --> 02:11:43,640
Speaker 1: underlying problem. And it seems like we're unlikely to get

2660
02:11:43,680 --> 02:11:47,160
Speaker 1: better at going into foreign countries and engaging in large

2661
02:11:47,200 --> 02:11:50,480
Speaker 1: scale social engineering. UM. But as far as you know,

2662
02:11:50,520 --> 02:11:55,560
Speaker 1: the fine fixed finish uh, time sensitive high value targets

2663
02:11:55,560 --> 02:11:58,200
Speaker 1: were pretty we're pretty damn good at killing them. UH.

2664
02:11:58,320 --> 02:12:00,760
Speaker 1: So our tactical ground game is pretty strong in that

2665
02:12:00,840 --> 02:12:06,760
Speaker 1: regards UM. But strategically we suck. And maybe maybe the

2666
02:12:06,800 --> 02:12:10,800
Speaker 1: academics out there can help us and help the military

2667
02:12:10,840 --> 02:12:14,200
Speaker 1: by studying these scenarios UM. And I think from a

2668
02:12:14,280 --> 02:12:19,320
Speaker 1: policy standpoint, we need to understand what we're good at

2669
02:12:19,400 --> 02:12:22,080
Speaker 1: and what we're not good at. And when we decide

2670
02:12:22,080 --> 02:12:25,160
Speaker 1: to commit troops and we decided to fight a conflict, um,

2671
02:12:25,280 --> 02:12:27,360
Speaker 1: we need to fight those conflicts where we're strong, not

2672
02:12:27,400 --> 02:12:30,080
Speaker 1: where we're weak. And if we're going to have a

2673
02:12:30,080 --> 02:12:33,880
Speaker 1: contest of wills, we need to pick and choose our

2674
02:12:33,880 --> 02:12:37,000
Speaker 1: battles um and pick the ones that we can actually win,

2675
02:12:37,600 --> 02:12:42,920
Speaker 1: rather than devoting decades of men, blood and treasure to

2676
02:12:43,320 --> 02:12:46,440
Speaker 1: fruitless endeavors that we we can't win or we're unwilling

2677
02:12:46,480 --> 02:12:49,040
Speaker 1: to win for whatever reason. So, I mean, I guess

2678
02:12:49,080 --> 02:12:54,160
Speaker 1: that's a meandering answer, um, But I mean, yeah, so

2679
02:12:54,240 --> 02:12:57,600
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot in common um between guerilla fighters,

2680
02:12:57,640 --> 02:13:03,520
Speaker 1: and there's some things that transcend uh countries, regions, cultures, languages,

2681
02:13:04,440 --> 02:13:09,400
Speaker 1: terrain and eras um that are worth looking at. Well,

2682
02:13:09,400 --> 02:13:12,560
Speaker 1: it's been an action packed well over two hour show

2683
02:13:12,600 --> 02:13:16,400
Speaker 1: at this point. Great having Dale com Stock on UM,

2684
02:13:16,440 --> 02:13:18,240
Speaker 1: and as I mentioned, it was good to have him

2685
02:13:18,280 --> 02:13:22,160
Speaker 1: on you know about something other than you know, and

2686
02:13:22,320 --> 02:13:24,680
Speaker 1: I'm glad he brought it up. But like I just

2687
02:13:24,720 --> 02:13:26,800
Speaker 1: wanted to kind of get into his history and all that.

2688
02:13:26,880 --> 02:13:29,320
Speaker 1: As we did and his history him and I learned

2689
02:13:29,320 --> 02:13:31,720
Speaker 1: a lot, I'll tell I mean Dale, I mean, I

2690
02:13:31,760 --> 02:13:35,000
Speaker 1: know he has this sort of like bombastic um social

2691
02:13:35,040 --> 02:13:38,280
Speaker 1: media presence, but Dale is actually kind of an understated

2692
02:13:38,360 --> 02:13:40,960
Speaker 1: person when it comes to some of his own accomplishments.

2693
02:13:41,000 --> 02:13:44,360
Speaker 1: Like when when uh he described on the on a

2694
02:13:44,440 --> 02:13:48,480
Speaker 1: past podcast his involvement in Operation Acid Gambit, and I

2695
02:13:48,560 --> 02:13:51,200
Speaker 1: had another former operator telling me he's like, you know,

2696
02:13:51,280 --> 02:13:53,800
Speaker 1: I know for a fact that Dale exposed himself to

2697
02:13:53,840 --> 02:13:56,200
Speaker 1: a lot of enemy gunfire while he was placed in

2698
02:13:56,240 --> 02:13:59,120
Speaker 1: the breach. This was a hostage rescue mission in Panama

2699
02:13:59,120 --> 02:14:02,560
Speaker 1: and eight nine and uh, but I mean he's just

2700
02:14:02,600 --> 02:14:05,080
Speaker 1: a hard charge and dude ran out there through fire

2701
02:14:05,480 --> 02:14:08,960
Speaker 1: and did his job. And uh, I don't know, there's something,

2702
02:14:09,480 --> 02:14:12,800
Speaker 1: um it's a word I'm looking for. There's something just

2703
02:14:12,920 --> 02:14:16,600
Speaker 1: reassuring about the Dale com stocks over the world that

2704
02:14:16,600 --> 02:14:18,840
Speaker 1: that a tiger doesn't change his stripes. You know, he's

2705
02:14:18,840 --> 02:14:22,040
Speaker 1: a badass and eighty nine he's badass today. So well

2706
02:14:22,120 --> 02:14:24,959
Speaker 1: said man. Well, next episode, we're gonna have a Canadian

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Speaker 1: Spec Ops vet in studio, Jeff Deputy or jap Chip DAPETI.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure to pronounce his last name, but he'll

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Speaker 1: be here. Thanks for joining US for episode four hundred.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate it. Guys, you've been listening to Self Rep Radio.

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