Speaker 1: Thinking sideways. I don't under stories of things we simply
Speaker 1: don't know the answer too. Well, Hi there everybody, and
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. This is Thinking Sideways once again,
Speaker 1: and I'm Steve, as always, joined by Devin and Joe.
Speaker 1: And as Joe likes to say, we have another hard
Speaker 1: hitting Mysteries assault. Absolutely no, no, no, no, the mystery
Speaker 1: isn't hard hitting. Our our attack on our episode is
Speaker 1: hard hitting. Is well, I've never quite understood how you
Speaker 1: went about that, the whole hard hitting thing. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just it's just a cliche. You don't really want to
Speaker 1: like delve into the brain of Joe, do you know?
Speaker 1: Not really? No? No, Well, let's let's talk about today's Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll take the hard hitting part off of there. We're
Speaker 1: going to talk about a place called Coral Castle, which
Speaker 1: some people may have heard of. It's an awesome alliteration.
Speaker 1: What's that, the Coral Castle? The coral Castle, even though
Speaker 1: it's actually made of limestone, no spoilers. Uh. Well, the
Speaker 1: thing about Coral Castle is we know who made it,
Speaker 1: and we know when it was made, but we don't
Speaker 1: quite know how it was made, which is kind of
Speaker 1: where all of the questions come from, But we should
Speaker 1: probably start with who made it, because we do know
Speaker 1: that with an unpronounceable name, I actually I can pronounce
Speaker 1: it because the video on YouTube his name is Edward
Speaker 1: leads Scalon, scaldon Ye Gallion. It sounds like a pirate
Speaker 1: name kind of when you say it that way. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna call him ed or Edward from now on
Speaker 1: because it's much easier. Ed was born in years before me. Yes,
Speaker 1: in Latvia is not exactly, it's just one of the
Speaker 1: Baltic states. It's it's so it's really close to the
Speaker 1: Baltic anomaly. That's right. Oh No, Edward Edward left his
Speaker 1: native country of Latvia. He had a pretty bad reason
Speaker 1: for leaving. He was engaged, and he was engaged to
Speaker 1: a girl who, according to legends, they always say her
Speaker 1: name is Agnes Scoffs or Agnes vast Yeah, Scoffs is
Speaker 1: There's a lot of contention around that, right, because it's
Speaker 1: not even a Latvian It's not even a properly format
Speaker 1: and Latvian word. It's phonetically written, is what I can
Speaker 1: I gather from reading her actual name. That was my
Speaker 1: take on it too, But you'll see that around the Internet,
Speaker 1: people saying, no, it's not even legit. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: Scoffs is not. It was maybe better. But but here's
Speaker 1: here's the even better part about her name is, according
Speaker 1: to some of the research that I found, that's not
Speaker 1: her name. Joe, you're gonna have to help me with
Speaker 1: how to pronounce this. Is this her money, Louis, do
Speaker 1: you know how to say that? With the no? I
Speaker 1: don't know what that little means in Latin. It's not
Speaker 1: even it's a it's a double dot. I don't know
Speaker 1: what it is, but it's the thing is Agnes. He
Speaker 1: was He was engaged to Agnes, regardless of how you
Speaker 1: say your name, and he called her his sweet sixteen
Speaker 1: because she was sixteen and he was ten years older
Speaker 1: than her, because in that day and age, an older
Speaker 1: man always married the younger girl. So he he was
Speaker 1: six and he reportedly what had happened is the day
Speaker 1: before their wedding she called it off. He was heartbroke,
Speaker 1: and he left and he moved to the continental United States.
Speaker 1: So he worked. I've seen record that he worked in
Speaker 1: Canada and that he worked in Texas and a couple
Speaker 1: of different places. Emmanual labor Yeah, he was. He was
Speaker 1: actually a logger in Canada, which may explained how he
Speaker 1: got some extratise in moving a heavy objects. Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: He was did a lot of stuff back in those days.
Speaker 1: There was still a lot of old growth around, so
Speaker 1: those trees were before out of it. Actually exactly when
Speaker 1: we were logging it all out. Yeah, pretty much was.
Speaker 1: She called the wedding off. It was, and he moved
Speaker 1: to the US and was working for about six years
Speaker 1: until nineteen nineteen when he got a little bit of tuberculosis,
Speaker 1: just a small case, just a smidge of tuberculosis. Yeah,
Speaker 1: even a smidge is not such a good thing. It's
Speaker 1: grandfather got that they were actually going to um they
Speaker 1: were going to quarantine him. They were gonna like lock
Speaker 1: him up in a in a tuberculosis hospital. So he
Speaker 1: lived in Los Angeles at the time, and my grandmother
Speaker 1: did so basically, uh, they bought a small house out
Speaker 1: east in the desert of Los Angeles and this little
Speaker 1: town called Hesperia, and they and he had to promise
Speaker 1: to just stay in the house and not go out.
Speaker 1: I remember you talking about basically and her self house arrest.
Speaker 1: But he figured it was better than being stuck in
Speaker 1: an asylum. Yeah, that's true. It's still quarantine. Don't they
Speaker 1: still quarantine people with Yeah, because it's very it's easy
Speaker 1: to contract Ed moved to Florida because the doctors told
Speaker 1: him that the weather there would be better for his condition.
Speaker 1: So short of they didn't even threaten to quarantine, and
Speaker 1: they were just like, hey, moved to this place. Yeah. Interesting,
Speaker 1: you could go to somewhere where we're not don't talk
Speaker 1: to anybody, and smoke a lot of cigarette. You know
Speaker 1: that actually used to treat tuberculosis. What Yeah, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what we've talked about. That one and the most the
Speaker 1: most the most favored one was the cool refreshing taste
Speaker 1: of Lucky strikes on filters y. Yeah. Well Ed says
Speaker 1: that he cured his tuberculosis through the aid of magnets.
Speaker 1: So he didn't evidently have that bat of a case
Speaker 1: of tuberculosis, but he did have it. But we're going
Speaker 1: to start hearing about magnets more and more as we
Speaker 1: talked about him. But he said he cured himself using magnetism.
Speaker 1: I had to say if he really did that and
Speaker 1: he didn't share share that technique with the rest of
Speaker 1: the world, and it's rather selfish of him, you know.
Speaker 1: I feel like he tried to share it. As we
Speaker 1: get further, we'll learn more about him. He tried to
Speaker 1: share some of his information and people were like, wow,
Speaker 1: you're crazy people. He did some pamphlets and he did well.
Speaker 1: When when Edward got to Florida, he bought a piece
Speaker 1: of property in Florida City, which is on a very
Speaker 1: very southern tip of Florida. It's really far south. It's
Speaker 1: like south of Miami, and Miami's pretty dang south is
Speaker 1: to the south. I believe, if I remember right at
Speaker 1: the time that he bought it, it was the southernmost
Speaker 1: city in the continental US that he moved. It was
Speaker 1: one of the last cities before you got to the Keys.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's still the case, but
Speaker 1: that was the case at the time that I read. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but he he went down there, he
Speaker 1: bought he bought a piece of ground, and then what
Speaker 1: he started to do was he started to build a
Speaker 1: monument to his ex fiance as a way to impress her.
Speaker 1: According to what he said is that he loved her
Speaker 1: still and that he was pining for her. Look at
Speaker 1: all these things I've done for you. I wonder if
Speaker 1: he was busy constructing a castle back in Latvia, and
Speaker 1: she just sort of took a look at that and said,
Speaker 1: you know what, I think I'm breaking off. Maybe that
Speaker 1: was the reason it might be. But the thing is
Speaker 1: she she never saw as we're as we're gonna talk about.
Speaker 1: He worked on this for thirty years and she never
Speaker 1: came and saw what he built in her honor. So
Speaker 1: what what what ed did is he began to build
Speaker 1: monolithic structures. He would carve out stones, these giant ton
Speaker 1: or multiple ton weighed stones, and he would erect him
Speaker 1: on his property. Well, at one point he decided that
Speaker 1: he didn't like Florida City, and according to the legends,
Speaker 1: it's because they were planning a subdivision near him and
Speaker 1: he was weirded out by having other people near him.
Speaker 1: So instead he decided he moved to Homestead, Florida, which
Speaker 1: he's a very private and homesteads about ten miles away.
Speaker 1: He bought a chunk of ground there and over the
Speaker 1: course of three years, every huge piece of stone that
Speaker 1: he'd put in place, he moved to this new location,
Speaker 1: which is a lot of work. Like nobody, nobody saw
Speaker 1: him working on his stuff. Nobody saw him loading the
Speaker 1: trail either, because what he was doing was putting it
Speaker 1: onto a trailer and then having a friend hauled by
Speaker 1: tractor the ten miles down the road to his new place. Obviously,
Speaker 1: moving all that stuff a lot of work. Did I
Speaker 1: mention his bill little? No, I haven't. Ed was five
Speaker 1: foot tall and wait about a hundred pounds. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was smaller than I am. He was smaller than you are.
Speaker 1: He was an itty bitty guy, and he was building
Speaker 1: these giant stone structures. And then at one point he
Speaker 1: moves him all to this new place, and very fortunately
Speaker 1: for him, he didn't like lose control of any of
Speaker 1: these monoliths and had them squash him. No, he never
Speaker 1: did get squashed that we know of. That's not how
Speaker 1: he died. Even No, it's not how he died. He
Speaker 1: would have died if one of these things had fallen
Speaker 1: on Yeah. Oh yeah. He love some big rocks, he
Speaker 1: really did. And I think we we mentioned this just
Speaker 1: just briefly, is that no one ever saw Edward working
Speaker 1: on any of these monoliths. Okay, that's not legend. No
Speaker 1: one saw him working on it. He was he would
Speaker 1: work on things at night, and according to the legends,
Speaker 1: if someone was watching him, even if he didn't see them,
Speaker 1: he would just stop working until they left, and then
Speaker 1: he would start working again, which is part of the
Speaker 1: air of mystery about how how did he know well,
Speaker 1: you know ed worked. He owned his property, and he
Speaker 1: worked on it, and he worked on it until nine So,
Speaker 1: like I said, it's about thirty years he's been doing
Speaker 1: all this work, and he's been erecting all of these
Speaker 1: monoliths and doing all this carving, and by the way,
Speaker 1: conducting guided tours of the place for anybody that wanted
Speaker 1: to come by and ring the doorbell. That was pretty
Speaker 1: And this guy would come down from his little towers
Speaker 1: did ring the bell twice. Yeah, he had had a
Speaker 1: residence in his castle tower. He built a castle tower
Speaker 1: for himself. Pay him a dime and he'd come down
Speaker 1: and give you a tour. And and he wrote he
Speaker 1: didn't have a formal education, but he believed that he
Speaker 1: had figured out a lot of science, and he didn't
Speaker 1: believe that modern science was right about a lot of things,
Speaker 1: including magnetism. He really was believed he'd figured out electricity
Speaker 1: and magnetism. And he wrote all these pamphlets and handouts,
Speaker 1: and so he was selling those two people who would
Speaker 1: come and visit the site as well, Oh you want
Speaker 1: to die, Hi, come on in, you want one of these.
Speaker 1: It's I don't know, a penny or or whatever he
Speaker 1: was charging for him. People would buy him. So he
Speaker 1: was making a decent living on it. I would say
Speaker 1: he was making more than a Yeah, he he obviously
Speaker 1: didn't was not hurting for money. Good for him to.
Speaker 1: Is there to be rewarded for all that hard labor. Indeed,
Speaker 1: and he was a tough old bird. He was sixty
Speaker 1: four when he died. Being a tough old guy. What
Speaker 1: did he do? He didn't feel good. One day, he
Speaker 1: got up, He put a sign on the door that
Speaker 1: said going to hospital. He walked to the bustop, he
Speaker 1: got on the bus, and he went to the doctor
Speaker 1: in Miami. In Miami, which is which was like a
Speaker 1: three two or three hour bus ride, several hours on
Speaker 1: a bus. We don't know when, but at some point,
Speaker 1: either before he left home, or while he was on
Speaker 1: the bus, or while he was at the hospital, he
Speaker 1: had a stroke. Yeah. I thought it was on the bus.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and again, this is one of those things
Speaker 1: you can't I keep seeing different places? And somehow during
Speaker 1: all of this, when he was sick, he got a
Speaker 1: kidney infection, and the kidney infection is what killed him.
Speaker 1: But according to accounts, some say three days, some say
Speaker 1: it took up to twenty eight days for him to die.
Speaker 1: But the guy, Yeah, but didn't they have antibiotics in
Speaker 1: those days. I don't know if they didn't diagnose it
Speaker 1: ride or what the deal was, but that's what killed him,
Speaker 1: was the infection of the kidney. Maybe it did irreversible
Speaker 1: damage before they caught it. And it's again one of
Speaker 1: those things that records are not really easy to get to,
Speaker 1: so I don't know exactly what it was. But we've
Speaker 1: talked about Yeah, yeah, so Ed died. We should probably
Speaker 1: no talk about Coral Castle, the actual site. Yeah you
Speaker 1: guys want to go there? Yeah? Okay, well why don't
Speaker 1: we whyn't We have the time machine and we'll go
Speaker 1: back to and check this place out, all right, the
Speaker 1: way back machine. Okay, Actually, let's go back a little further.
Speaker 1: Let's go back to like right when he started it.
Speaker 1: You don't want to wait, you want to go back,
Speaker 1: but I do want to. Can we stop for snacks. Uh, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we can stop for snacks, but only if you promised
Speaker 1: not to drop any food this time. Yeah. I found
Speaker 1: a mommified French fry the other day that I know.
Speaker 1: It was from our trip to ancient England. You remember
Speaker 1: that the two princes in the tower. So you found
Speaker 1: a chip? Hey, who got the cheese? Sorry? Why did
Speaker 1: we not building windows? And this thing? I need to
Speaker 1: crack one. Okay, here we are, we're at We're in
Speaker 1: or yea castle in the forties. Yeah, okay, so first
Speaker 1: black and white. The first thing to look around. I
Speaker 1: mean you're gonna see this place is not that big.
Speaker 1: It's about two hundred yards by two hundred yards, so
Speaker 1: it's it's not a big estate or a big chunk
Speaker 1: of ground that we've that we're standing on two yards
Speaker 1: compared to something yeahs is twice at length the football field.
Speaker 1: We know that doesn't work for it, actually time does it? Okay,
Speaker 1: So it's not a big place, but you're canna see
Speaker 1: there's there's all these giant stones that are erected. I
Speaker 1: mean we're seeing here that we've got. It's all limestone,
Speaker 1: by the way, which is kind of crazy, and it's
Speaker 1: made of the limestone. It's it's what they call light.
Speaker 1: I believe it's how you pronounce it is like a
Speaker 1: creamy buttery spread that you put on your rolls. No,
Speaker 1: not this time, is that as I think it's it's two. Oh,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna say, oh light, light is made out
Speaker 1: of fossilized shell and coral, right right, So I think
Speaker 1: that's why it's called coral. Right now, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: like it's limestone that has some fossilized shells and corals mostly,
Speaker 1: but it's mostly actually okay, so it's basically limestone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks for crushing my dreams. But no, I mean as
Speaker 1: as we're looking around, like I said, these things are
Speaker 1: really big, and you know, we're looking at these stones.
Speaker 1: The walls, they're about three foot thick, they're eight foot
Speaker 1: high and each sections about seven foot across. So these
Speaker 1: are big slabs of stones. Ed was quarrying right here
Speaker 1: on the site. And there's no seams. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: you can't see the right seems. Yeah, everything bordering or
Speaker 1: anything like that. It's it's very tight. We've got over here,
Speaker 1: we've got some rocking chairs, giant stone rocking chairs, which
Speaker 1: actually rock. I want to sit in one of those,
Speaker 1: can't I let it? Awesome, don't break it. What's crazy
Speaker 1: about these rocking chairs is they are so well done
Speaker 1: that they actually rock, so their center of gravity works.
Speaker 1: It's not like a big, heavy thing that just sits,
Speaker 1: which is pretty amazing when you think one guy carved
Speaker 1: this all by hand. It was actually it appears that
Speaker 1: he was a pretty competent designer. He didn't I mean
Speaker 1: the door or the door for example. We'll get to
Speaker 1: that now. With the door, it was an amazing piece
Speaker 1: of work. Well, let's talk about the door. The door
Speaker 1: is about six and a half seven foot tall and
Speaker 1: it's just a rotating door. It rotates on its center axis. Now,
Speaker 1: the really interesting thing is that. Okay, so he had
Speaker 1: to put this thing in place. The awesome thing is that,
Speaker 1: according to the legends, it was so well balanced that
Speaker 1: a child could open it with a push of a finger. Okay,
Speaker 1: well it was really well balanced. But nobody knew how
Speaker 1: he did it. It wasn't until about I think about
Speaker 1: twenty years or so ago. It was the eight right,
Speaker 1: the doors stopped working. Yeah, so they had to like
Speaker 1: fix it. They had to fix that. When they figured
Speaker 1: out how he did it. They had to bring in
Speaker 1: a crane like several ton crane that you could pick
Speaker 1: up several tons at a time. And what they figured
Speaker 1: out is he had an axle with a giant truck
Speaker 1: bearing in the center of it, and that's how the
Speaker 1: whole thing rotated. Yeah, and then the bearing had rusted
Speaker 1: out over the years. When they fixed it, it didn't
Speaker 1: work as well. And then it broke again years later,
Speaker 1: and they fixed it again and it works even worse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it broke again not that long after. Considering that that
Speaker 1: it lasted so long after he put it in place,
Speaker 1: by the serious millions, Well it's you know, more proof
Speaker 1: that they just don't make them like they used to
Speaker 1: know they Yeah, so anyway, but yeah, and my hat's
Speaker 1: off to the guy. Yeah, he was kind of whacko,
Speaker 1: but well he did crazy things. I mean, he did
Speaker 1: these these giants, stone circles and globes that are supposed
Speaker 1: to be the planets. He's got phases of the moon
Speaker 1: with a moon pool with a star coat carved in
Speaker 1: the middle all of the pool. Uh, there's tables and
Speaker 1: chairs that have shrubs growing in the middle of the table.
Speaker 1: It's it's all it's it's on a giant scale, but
Speaker 1: it's a little weird. There's some pretty freaking cool you know,
Speaker 1: it's actually aligned with the stars, right Abel, that's aligned
Speaker 1: with the north star over there. Yeah, that one. And
Speaker 1: you'll see there's a little wires going through the center.
Speaker 1: There used to be wires going through the center of
Speaker 1: the whole, and that's how you could well, there are
Speaker 1: right now because we're in nineteen right, I forgot, Well,
Speaker 1: there's wires in the middle of it, and that's how
Speaker 1: you could tell you could catch the north Star to
Speaker 1: know that you were aligned correctly. Just really really crazy,
Speaker 1: because it is amazing. That's the door is still working.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go see if I can actually push it
Speaker 1: up with one finger. It takes a little more than
Speaker 1: one thing. There's a pretty heavy check rock. You're not
Speaker 1: a child. Maybe a child could do it. Yeah. Center,
Speaker 1: it's the center of gravity. You know, you're center at
Speaker 1: he's too high. That's why all right, Well, now, the
Speaker 1: great thing about the construction, by the way, I know
Speaker 1: we haven't said it yet, or we alluded to it
Speaker 1: a little bit, actually, is that Ed had built a tower,
Speaker 1: a tower for himself. It's only two stories high. But
Speaker 1: he built that on the property and he lived in
Speaker 1: the second floor. Because we talked about ringing the bell
Speaker 1: twice to get him to come down. That's where he lived.
Speaker 1: And as Devon was saying earlier, everything is so well
Speaker 1: made that the seams don't allow light through. So he
Speaker 1: carved everything so smooth and aligned it so well that
Speaker 1: you just you don't get a breeze through it. Basically,
Speaker 1: I heard, by the way, a little digression here that
Speaker 1: I heard that his family back in Latvia were actually stonemasons.
Speaker 1: I did hear that he actually worked as a mason himself.
Speaker 1: I I did see the accounting of that, so I
Speaker 1: think that's probably where he learned the trade. But he
Speaker 1: obviously he perfected it when he was in Florida, and
Speaker 1: it seems like he's it was just a bit of
Speaker 1: an obsessive, compulsive kind of guy. He might have been
Speaker 1: actually building my own castle. I don't think I would
Speaker 1: have to like you, I have every scene be perfect.
Speaker 1: You know, I can't even build a snow castle and quit,
Speaker 1: so I I you've got to be just really focused.
Speaker 1: I think if you're building a place that you're living,
Speaker 1: you're going to be a little more. You know, I
Speaker 1: think you if you're if you're building a place that
Speaker 1: you're going to live in, especially like in the winter,
Speaker 1: even though it is Florida. I have been in Florida
Speaker 1: in the winter. It's not cold like we would say cold,
Speaker 1: but you don't want to be sleeping outside. Um, so
Speaker 1: I think you would do all you could to try
Speaker 1: and make the seals. But for it to for that
Speaker 1: to continue out throughout the entire campus of the Coral
Speaker 1: Castle is interesting to me. You know. It's one thing
Speaker 1: to say his room was really well sealed. Well, of
Speaker 1: course his room is really well sealed, because like, who
Speaker 1: wants scorpions and cons that you didn't, you know, whatever,
Speaker 1: But to say also the walls were perfectly sealed those
Speaker 1: that was a big wall, you know, So I think
Speaker 1: for me that's where that comes in A yeah, And
Speaker 1: also should be should be noted that this the construction
Speaker 1: is rock solid because even Hurricane Andrew, it was like
Speaker 1: it was like an almost direct hit of the hurricane
Speaker 1: and nothing moving. Nothing. And again these are several tons
Speaker 1: of stones but obviously well laid, and he built it all.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a style of masonry r stone masonry
Speaker 1: it's called Cyclopean masonry, and that's where you don't actually
Speaker 1: use any mortars. So most of us know, you know,
Speaker 1: you have a brick house and it's got mortar between
Speaker 1: all the stones. This has no mortar, there's no nothing.
Speaker 1: It's literally just the weight of the stones so well
Speaker 1: fitted together that it holds it all together. This is
Speaker 1: what some of the ancient walls that you see that
Speaker 1: are historical, we're built using that style. Starting to get
Speaker 1: into my ancient Aliens. And in Peru, the Incas had
Speaker 1: that same sort of thing. You don't see any of
Speaker 1: it and mortar at all, but they were perfectly square. Yep.
Speaker 1: It's well, there were some that were that weren't exactly square,
Speaker 1: but they still they fit together. So yeah. Well, here's
Speaker 1: one other odd thing um that about it is ed
Speaker 1: didn't actually call this place Coral Castle. He called it Blackgate.
Speaker 1: It wasn't until after he died the property sold. Somebody
Speaker 1: in the family inherited it, and I think that I
Speaker 1: lived in Michigan, and he didn't want it, and so
Speaker 1: we sold it somebody else, who it sounds like, didn't
Speaker 1: even realize that this stuff was on the property when
Speaker 1: they bought it. And then they realized it could be
Speaker 1: a tourist attraction, and then they changed the name to
Speaker 1: Coral Castle. It's actually on the Registry of Historic Places,
Speaker 1: but it's under the original name of Blackgate Park. I
Speaker 1: thought it was changed in two thousand eleven. The registry portion, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it might have been. I had a heart.
Speaker 1: I was really trying to track where and why the
Speaker 1: name got changed. And again it was like really dicey
Speaker 1: to figure out why they did it and how they
Speaker 1: did it. But I know on their on the official
Speaker 1: website they say it's still listed as block now. They
Speaker 1: might they might not have updated their stuff. They also
Speaker 1: say that he was engaged to Agnes Scott's, so maybe
Speaker 1: they're too worried about it. I haven't been is meticulous
Speaker 1: about like finding out about the history of this place
Speaker 1: as we've been. Yeah, exactly. I gotta say for somebody
Speaker 1: that that that was a nice little windfall for somebody
Speaker 1: to be able to like just sort of luck into
Speaker 1: that place, because I imagine you can make some money
Speaker 1: opportunity attractions like this. Absolutely absolutely well. I think that's
Speaker 1: enough about ed and it's probably enough to start off
Speaker 1: with kind of getting an idea what Coral Castle looks like,
Speaker 1: giants several tons stone. Of course, pictures on the website
Speaker 1: we have at least and Google it. There's tons of
Speaker 1: images on Google. But if we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: there is, do we need to like squeeze back into
Speaker 1: the way back machine and go back to two thousand
Speaker 1: and fourteen. Oh yeah, we're there. Okay, we're there. We're okay. Okay,
Speaker 1: that was easy. Oh so we weren't really in Florida
Speaker 1: in the n We were, but while you two were
Speaker 1: talking and you're eating your snacks, all right, we time
Speaker 1: machined there but transported back. Yeah, we're mixing, mixing, all right.
Speaker 1: So I mean we talked about the fact that Ed
Speaker 1: was a little guy. Yeah, and the stone that Coral
Speaker 1: Castle is built out of. They say that it is
Speaker 1: eleven hundred tons of stone that he erected, that he carved. Well,
Speaker 1: that's that's a lot of rock for one little guy.
Speaker 1: Some of it, they said, was corried like right out
Speaker 1: the back of his property, right. I don't remember which
Speaker 1: property it was, it was the new second property. I
Speaker 1: wonder if that's why that must have played a factor
Speaker 1: and his reasoning to buy the new place a place
Speaker 1: where you Yeah, that must have been a big factor.
Speaker 1: So I guess you know, that's a little bit of
Speaker 1: a side note to add to the understanding of this
Speaker 1: whole thing. And I think we talked a little bit
Speaker 1: about Ed was very secretive and he didn't tell people
Speaker 1: how he had how he built all this stuff. People
Speaker 1: don't always ask him. And this will this will go
Speaker 1: right into our first theory, which is that Ed discovered
Speaker 1: the secret of the Egyptians, the ancient Egyptian spy. That's
Speaker 1: what he said. Do you think maybe had a way
Speaker 1: back machine too? Man? Did everybody have one of these?
Speaker 1: Not everybody? I swear that the guy that I bought
Speaker 1: this from said it was one of a kind. I
Speaker 1: also played. Yeah, yeah, he was kind of weird guy.
Speaker 1: Well Ed said that he had discovered the secrets of
Speaker 1: the Pyramids and that's all he would ever tell people
Speaker 1: when they would ask him how he was was doing
Speaker 1: it again, he wouldn't give out a lot of information.
Speaker 1: But the only thing he would say besides the secrets
Speaker 1: of the pards was that he understood the laws of
Speaker 1: weight and leverage. Well, yeah, like write a pamphlet to
Speaker 1: that effect here, Yeah he did. But still didn't explain
Speaker 1: exactly how he used weight and leverage. Yeah, he kind
Speaker 1: of he kind of kept it under his hat, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you know, if I discover a secret, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to tell anybody, but there's it for myself. But
Speaker 1: there does happen to be a guy who's alive right
Speaker 1: now today who has figured a bunch of this stuff out,
Speaker 1: Mr Wally Wallington. Really Wallington duously lives in Michigan. Which
Speaker 1: it turns out that both Devan and I have relatives living. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I guess did it weren't we earlier saying that
Speaker 1: we thought that this guy's family was maybe in Michigan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I believe it was Michigan. Was where the distant relative
Speaker 1: who inherent property. Yeah, there's always there's always a Michigan connection. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But anyway, um, yeah, so Wally and and just if
Speaker 1: any of you want to do a quick google on
Speaker 1: Wally Wallington YouTube and you can you can watch the
Speaker 1: videos of this guy moving around massive massive chunks of
Speaker 1: concrete ads stones. Really interesting. He moves a barn at
Speaker 1: one point, like an actual barn, huge little without without machinery.
Speaker 1: Now he's using two by fours and counterweights and some
Speaker 1: rocks and some literally little little, small little rocks and
Speaker 1: just leveraging things around, and it's it's amazing to watch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the guys, the guy's pretty ingenious. And you know, usually
Speaker 1: we make fun of people like this, you know, it's
Speaker 1: tongue in cheek loving, we make fun of these people.
Speaker 1: But this guy, we all kind of sat around watching
Speaker 1: the video really ready, I think for all of us
Speaker 1: to be like, oh, this is dumb, and we like
Speaker 1: got further into the video and we're like, wait, that
Speaker 1: totally makes sense. Thinks that he's handed out how the
Speaker 1: ancient Brits managed to put up stonehead, which is and
Speaker 1: he actually gives a visual demonstration of himself. He has
Speaker 1: by himself putting pounds obelisk and standing it up into
Speaker 1: a hole in the ground. He was moving a several
Speaker 1: ton block. He said he could move at three feet
Speaker 1: in a day, at an hour. At in an hour,
Speaker 1: he says, it's a massive block, and he's using two
Speaker 1: small round stones. He can basically screwch it back and
Speaker 1: forth over these stones and just pivoted on these on
Speaker 1: these two different stones. Now we should go ahead and
Speaker 1: like make sure that everybody knows that, at least in
Speaker 1: these videos. Everything he showed when he was scooching these stones,
Speaker 1: he was doing it on flat concrete. Told that it
Speaker 1: would be way harder to do on like a gravel path,
Speaker 1: grass or something. He has, but he has that other
Speaker 1: ingenious method is at the beginning of the video, he
Speaker 1: built the thing out of wood. That is basically, so
Speaker 1: if you like take and he had like this massive
Speaker 1: chunk of concrete that was like like like a wrecked
Speaker 1: angular concrete, but it was square if you look at
Speaker 1: it on end, and so if you take uh, so
Speaker 1: let's let's say that that is so let's say three
Speaker 1: ft on one side. Then he basically built a structure
Speaker 1: and it's like got these semi circles, and the distance
Speaker 1: around the radius of that thing for each one of
Speaker 1: these semicircles is also three ft same as the rock, right,
Speaker 1: a stone he's making. And then basically this thing is
Speaker 1: a whole series of these semi circles pointing upwards. And
Speaker 1: he was just rolling that thing across that a massive,
Speaker 1: massive chuckle, square concrete and he was just rolling it
Speaker 1: right across there well by hand. It was yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was amazing, And really it's disturbing, and I believe
Speaker 1: his he says. I believe he said at one point,
Speaker 1: I'm going to do this without any mechanical machinery used.
Speaker 1: And it is. It's two by fours and a couple
Speaker 1: of rocks fours and some and some concrete weights, just
Speaker 1: using weights and stuff. And yeah, it's really cool. And
Speaker 1: if if Ed used that same technique, that would explain
Speaker 1: how he moved all these huge stones and how he
Speaker 1: levered him into place. Yea, if this is this, if
Speaker 1: this technique is also what the ancient Egyptians used, which
Speaker 1: currently modern science thinks that they just did it all
Speaker 1: the hard way with you know, thousands of thousands of slaves,
Speaker 1: divers dragging these things along logs and logs and logs. Actually,
Speaker 1: although actually there's a there's a more recent theory that
Speaker 1: they actually um poured the blocks of the pyramids in place.
Speaker 1: Actually that instead of Corey and them and dragging them
Speaker 1: for a long distance, they actually poured him in place. Yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of crew concrete in place. That is one theory.
Speaker 1: And they made him on the spot so I didn't
Speaker 1: have to drag him, so I still had to drag
Speaker 1: weapons into place. Well, but here's here's the crazy thing.
Speaker 1: The pyramids. They figure right now it took twenty years
Speaker 1: to make each pyramid, and they say that it required
Speaker 1: a labor force of one D two hundred thousand people.
Speaker 1: If they're using the same techniques that Wally Wallington and
Speaker 1: ed theoretically might have been using, it would have actually
Speaker 1: only taken about five thousand men, which is a huge
Speaker 1: reduction in labor force themselves. Says, you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: quite possible that the ancient Breads who put up Stonehenge,
Speaker 1: and it was actually it's quite possible, was a much
Speaker 1: much smaller crew than anybody up to now is ever believed.
Speaker 1: I believe we said when we were watching that video
Speaker 1: that maybe it just was one weird Yeah, exactly, what
Speaker 1: does Fred do it? He playing with rocks? So what
Speaker 1: are the theories do we have here? Well, we've got
Speaker 1: magnetic A lines. You all know what magnetic A lines are, right, yeah? Yeah, thertex. Yes,
Speaker 1: they're the supposed magnetic lines that run through the earth
Speaker 1: and where they cross they have strange properties. Vortex exactly.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep saying the Oregan vortex, right. Yes,
Speaker 1: Actually I've heard about it, but I've never been should
Speaker 1: I should go? It's not that far away. Not so.
Speaker 1: According to Ed, he said that he could see the
Speaker 1: magnetic properties of things because he understood the natural magnetism
Speaker 1: of everything, and that he saw all these magnetic properties
Speaker 1: as beads of light, so that he could actually visualize them,
Speaker 1: and so he would see it and he would know
Speaker 1: where the magnetic lines were to then use those. There's
Speaker 1: there's talk that the reason that he moved Coral Castle
Speaker 1: wasn't because of a subdivision, but because he realized that
Speaker 1: there was better lay lines somewhere else, which happened to
Speaker 1: be his new property, and that's why he moved everything.
Speaker 1: There is TV hallucinations. Yeah, and that that theory that
Speaker 1: that Ed moved everything that's put out by an author
Speaker 1: who's got the awesome name of Race Stoner. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, according to Stoner, he says that that's why
Speaker 1: it was. It was that. There's another author named B. J.
Speaker 1: Cathy who is purported to be an authority on grid dynamics.
Speaker 1: Well that's the I'm I'm an authority on hat wearing
Speaker 1: property dynamics. You know how I am an authority on that?
Speaker 1: I just made it up. Okay, Well, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to read directly from this just so I can explain
Speaker 1: this properly, at least say it properly. There exists in
Speaker 1: all encompassy global grid with direct harmonic relationship to the
Speaker 1: speed of light, gravity, magnetics, and earth mass. All major
Speaker 1: changes of the physical state are about my harmonic interactions
Speaker 1: of these manifestations. The controlled manipulation of these forces would
Speaker 1: make it possible to instantaneously move mass from one point
Speaker 1: to another in space time. The measurements from Coral Castle
Speaker 1: yield harmonics related to light and gravity. The distance between
Speaker 1: Coral Castle and grid Pole A in the north to
Speaker 1: spell any doubt that the site being an ideal position
Speaker 1: to allow ed leads Scalnan to erect the huge blocks
Speaker 1: of Coral with relative ease. Measurements indicate the harmonics necessary
Speaker 1: for the manipulation of anti gravity listeners, Can I hear
Speaker 1: real for you? With you? You can't get behind this one.
Speaker 1: Turn my hat backwards on, sitting my chair backwards. Okay,
Speaker 1: get it real with you? How to get a starburst
Speaker 1: right now? While Steve was reading that to not burst
Speaker 1: out into rain and by the way, this is not
Speaker 1: product place are delicious? No, I had to put a
Speaker 1: candy in my mouth, because I would not out burst
Speaker 1: out into rage, just like what what what? It's just crap,
Speaker 1: you know what, Like like just to take one one phrase,
Speaker 1: make it possible to instantaneously move mass from one point
Speaker 1: to another spacetime. I just feel like you're talking about wormholes. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean instantaneously moving from one to another. Yeah, maybe wormholes.
Speaker 1: I don't know what basically was using wormhole technology. The
Speaker 1: call it wormhole technology, not magnetic ley lines. And that's
Speaker 1: the shortest wormhole I've ever seen. Christ Also, the distance
Speaker 1: between Coral Castle and Gridpole a in the north you
Speaker 1: mean between the north pole and that and where he
Speaker 1: put his thing, Because if it's a distant thing, then
Speaker 1: why aren't people all over the place? Sorry almost swore,
Speaker 1: why are people all over the place on that same
Speaker 1: line suddenly like moving their stuff like magic? Because really,
Speaker 1: what she's saying, right is that like, oh, it could
Speaker 1: have magically happened, Like what did he just like think it?
Speaker 1: So what happened? Did he have to use some technology
Speaker 1: to have it happy? Must have had some special talent,
Speaker 1: because otherwise wouldn't anybody who pays the business to the
Speaker 1: Coral Castle will be able to grab one of those
Speaker 1: massive chunks of rock and just move around. And actually,
Speaker 1: let's be fair, I did read a description of Ed
Speaker 1: that said that all all signs pointed to him being
Speaker 1: a modern geomanswer. Yes, Okay, we're just gonna keep going
Speaker 1: on that. There's other claims that the same people who
Speaker 1: talk about this global harmonics say that some people when
Speaker 1: they walk through the gate of Coral Castle experience a
Speaker 1: headache because they're just not used to being in that
Speaker 1: strong of a field. Okay, but that's the same thing.
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about the Oregon wortex for a minute.
Speaker 1: I got a headache when I'm there too. You know why,
Speaker 1: because everything is built on a weird keel. Like there's
Speaker 1: a thing that's built totally opposite. There's a cabin that's
Speaker 1: built totally opposite the way that you would assume that
Speaker 1: things are. You walk into it and things roll up
Speaker 1: hill and like, of course your brain is gonna hurt.
Speaker 1: Like I was there once and a woman fainted and
Speaker 1: the woman was like, get her off the magnet line.
Speaker 1: She's having a negative reaction to the magnet line. No,
Speaker 1: she was pregnant and drunk and she yeah, it is
Speaker 1: southern Oregon whatever. But I mean it was just kind
Speaker 1: of one of those things where it's like I can
Speaker 1: get on board with so many theories, but this one.
Speaker 1: That's why I put this quote in there, because if
Speaker 1: you knew, because it's it does, it is a bit
Speaker 1: outland is and it's very hard to get behind, and
Speaker 1: there are people who are staunch believers in it. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to talk against him, but I don't buy it.
Speaker 1: It's it's a little bit of this gives me actually
Speaker 1: hope for the future though, because I have been one
Speaker 1: lately about how to make more money, and you know,
Speaker 1: there's a there really is a bottomless market for this
Speaker 1: kind of crap. It really is, and so I'm thinking
Speaker 1: it's time to start writing books about supernatural phenomenon. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's one thing. You know, one of the theories with
Speaker 1: the with the Pyramids is this whole like ancient alien
Speaker 1: technology of you know, they had to use this thing
Speaker 1: and it was an anti gravity force or whatever. I
Speaker 1: can I can get on board without way more than
Speaker 1: this magnetic a line. Oh, in the way that it
Speaker 1: was was in proximity to the you know, the North Pole,
Speaker 1: Like that's it's I think that this might be the
Speaker 1: angriest time we've ever managed to get you on this show.
Speaker 1: You have to start fighting stories that involved magnetically. Apparently
Speaker 1: I got to write the Encyclopedia of Magnetically I didn't
Speaker 1: get you. Actually, I really, I really want I'm going
Speaker 1: to really work on this hard and try to come
Speaker 1: up with some incredible piece of just crap to arrive
Speaker 1: on the Magnetic a Lines. Okay, I wanted my my
Speaker 1: very own piece of bs out there, Cyclopedia of Magnetic
Speaker 1: air Lines, so that I can write a very honest introduction,
Speaker 1: swear word laden introduction, and we'll just see where it goes.
Speaker 1: Why don't we before somebody's head explodes, Why don't we
Speaker 1: move forward? Let's go to the next theory, which is
Speaker 1: actually pretty simple one. It's basic walking tackle. You're like
Speaker 1: alternating yes, and there are there are, by the way,
Speaker 1: there are photographs out there of this guy using a great,
Speaker 1: big huge tripod and block and tackle and everything to
Speaker 1: move rocks around. Yeah. Well, and and that's that's the
Speaker 1: thing is You're absolutely right, Joe, and I'll describe this
Speaker 1: for everybody. Is there's there's photos of Ed on the
Speaker 1: property and he's got three telephone polls and there I
Speaker 1: kind of tried to guess the scale, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say they'ret and he's got a cable and chain and
Speaker 1: a lever and pulleys, and he's got a stone lifted up.
Speaker 1: So it seems like maybe he was using very basic
Speaker 1: technology to move them. But Steve, there's a black box
Speaker 1: on the top of those polls. Just a second, just
Speaker 1: a second there, all right. So my thing is is that, yes,
Speaker 1: this would allow him to raise them up. What I
Speaker 1: don't see is how that would allow him to move
Speaker 1: them horizontally very easily. I'm not saying he didn't use
Speaker 1: basic block and tackle, but that doesn't explain how he
Speaker 1: did everything, because you looked it up and down. But
Speaker 1: then how do you move it left to right, especially
Speaker 1: the ten miles right? Well, but the you know, but
Speaker 1: you can raise it up and then set it on
Speaker 1: like like set it on a bunch of logs, like
Speaker 1: the ancient Egyptians just rolled on logs, and you could
Speaker 1: you could maybe the guy had a cart, you know,
Speaker 1: with big old wheels on it. You could set the
Speaker 1: stuff on a cart and then just moved it to
Speaker 1: where he needed to. I gotta be honest with you,
Speaker 1: I am bigger than he is or was, and I
Speaker 1: could not push a stone on a car, even like
Speaker 1: a well, but you know the thing is, now that
Speaker 1: I think about it, he could have also. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: let's let's run it this way. Let's say he's got
Speaker 1: more than one tripod set up, he's got a cart,
Speaker 1: and he sets the other tripod up and then using
Speaker 1: a wench system and your cart that you came up
Speaker 1: with just pulls it on the cart with a wench
Speaker 1: system across the property. That make a lot of sense, Yeah, because, yeah,
Speaker 1: pushing something that size would be part of the pushing
Speaker 1: your car. Yeah, you'd have to. You'd have to you'd
Speaker 1: have to tie a rope to it and have a
Speaker 1: winch and something like that. And it's entirely feasible. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: and it makes sense. And I was I was looking
Speaker 1: at it because there's these couple of photos of him
Speaker 1: with this this block and tackle system. But there's not
Speaker 1: a lot of reports of people who lived in the
Speaker 1: area seeing this tripod set up all the time. The stories.
Speaker 1: Nobody says, oh yeah, we always saw that, you know,
Speaker 1: ed with this silly tripod of of wood erected. Well,
Speaker 1: I I looked into the census, I was like, well,
Speaker 1: there's got to be a bunch of people around. It
Speaker 1: was pretty empty area back. It was because when he
Speaker 1: moved there, let's see, in the nineteen twenty census in
Speaker 1: that city there were hundred people, and by the time
Speaker 1: he died around nineteen fifty, there was forty five hundred people.
Speaker 1: And he was and he wasn't He wasn't on the
Speaker 1: main draft and he was out I don't know if
Speaker 1: you want to call it the suburbs. He was. He
Speaker 1: was out. And the area that he lived in this
Speaker 1: town was fifteen miles across, so it wasn't a big town.
Speaker 1: So we're talking at its peak in nineteen fifty, that's
Speaker 1: four hundred people per square mile, and you know they're
Speaker 1: going to be concentrated in mostly one area he owned.
Speaker 1: How much of that land did he own? It was
Speaker 1: a good chunk, wasn't it. You know? That was one
Speaker 1: of the hard parts is that it never says how
Speaker 1: much area he actually owned. I couldn't get a handle
Speaker 1: on that. Nobody ever says ed bought X number of
Speaker 1: acres or something, right. I guess my understanding is like
Speaker 1: he owned the part that the Coral Castle proper is on, right,
Speaker 1: but he also owned a part where he was coreing
Speaker 1: rock behind it and some property property large enough that
Speaker 1: somebody could say like, oh, I didn't even know that
Speaker 1: there was a thing on there. I mean, obviously not huge,
Speaker 1: but I think the sense that I got was that
Speaker 1: it was, you know, it's got to be bigger than
Speaker 1: the castle property. Yeah. Absolutely. And we'll step back now
Speaker 1: to what you brought up, which is the black box. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in the photo where and that you see of ed
Speaker 1: with this stone literally just a little bit off the ground,
Speaker 1: there's this funny square, black looking box at the top
Speaker 1: of his tripod, balanced on the top. It looks kind
Speaker 1: of balanced, and there's he's nailed two buys or some
Speaker 1: kind of sporards on it to make a ladder to
Speaker 1: go up to the top. And some of our more
Speaker 1: far flung friends have said that he had some kind
Speaker 1: of device in there that he was to so that
Speaker 1: that and that allowed him to easily lift and move
Speaker 1: the block. So he was keeping that hidden from people.
Speaker 1: For a guy you so private, I don't understand when
Speaker 1: he let somebody on the property to take a picture
Speaker 1: of him while he was working. Yeah, that's a big
Speaker 1: question to me, right, that he seems to have been
Speaker 1: so private he would like stop working. If him they
Speaker 1: wouldn't tell him, or he wouldn't tell them how he
Speaker 1: was doing things. But there's these pictures of him actively
Speaker 1: working on a tripod. There's only two or three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I have heard stories too that, you know, it
Speaker 1: might be that this whole idea that he was super
Speaker 1: secretive and everything was just a little bit part of
Speaker 1: the mythology of the whole thing, and that he actually,
Speaker 1: you know, didn't actually wasn't that upset as people wanted
Speaker 1: to show up and hang out and watch him do
Speaker 1: a thing. Yeah, and and and that that could very
Speaker 1: well be. I mean, it's it's hard to say. I
Speaker 1: don't know for sure. So that's block and tackle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's let's let's go into where next one. Our next
Speaker 1: one is, well, Devin, are you gonna be okay with this?
Speaker 1: It's anti gravity? Are you anti gravity? Praty realized. I mean,
Speaker 1: if we didn't have gravity, we'd be like in space
Speaker 1: right now, we'd be like floating around now. No, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I mean, just explain it a little more.
Speaker 1: But I think I'm gonna be less angry about this
Speaker 1: the other So when we talked about ed wrote pamphlets
Speaker 1: and he believed he had a better understanding of science
Speaker 1: than modern science did, and he he was really into
Speaker 1: how electricity and electro magnetism worked. That was kind of
Speaker 1: his thing. When was Tesla around, Tesla was like, let's
Speaker 1: the late nineteenth century, Yeah, the same time as Edison
Speaker 1: he could have been reading about. Yeah, I feel like
Speaker 1: there was a period of time where people were really
Speaker 1: into this stuff. And that's to correlate a little bit
Speaker 1: with that, and I think ed might have been on
Speaker 1: the tail into that and he really latched onto it.
Speaker 1: And one of the things that was interesting about that
Speaker 1: period too is that actually a lot of the advances
Speaker 1: and discoveries were just by tinkerers and people like that
Speaker 1: and just loan event was it wasn't this thing where
Speaker 1: we had this massive general electrics and laboratories coming up
Speaker 1: with stuff. It's just guys working in their in their
Speaker 1: barns with amazing stuff. Yeah. Yeah, and this is this
Speaker 1: is this is gonna be a little bit hard to
Speaker 1: explain something. Going to try and break this into just
Speaker 1: real simple basics for how this anti gravity magnetism stuff
Speaker 1: that people think ED had figured out on how to
Speaker 1: move things, because I think I read was this in
Speaker 1: one of the links. This is Yeah, this is I
Speaker 1: tried to read. It's very hard and just couldn't the
Speaker 1: one with all of the videos. It's very hard to
Speaker 1: understand nothing. Yeah, no, it's it's really difficult. So this
Speaker 1: is this is the easy way to think about it.
Speaker 1: You can change. According to ED, you could change the
Speaker 1: internal magnetism of an object. We're gonna we're gonna step back.
Speaker 1: We're going to say that the planet, the core of
Speaker 1: our planet has a positive charge and everything on the
Speaker 1: outside of the planet has a negative charge. So with magnets,
Speaker 1: positive and negative opts to tract, so they pull together
Speaker 1: and that's what creates our gravity, very simplified. So then
Speaker 1: according to this theory, what you could do is if
Speaker 1: you could flip the magnetic polarity of an object from
Speaker 1: negative to positive, it would repel from the center of
Speaker 1: the Earth and it would lift. And the more that
Speaker 1: you were that you flip, so it gets more and
Speaker 1: more on the positive, the higher and higher it would float,
Speaker 1: and it would flip around. There's there's a bit of
Speaker 1: a problem with that theory though, um, and that is
Speaker 1: that magnetism and gravity are entirely separate forces. Okay, but
Speaker 1: this this is end, this is this is en. I
Speaker 1: understand the magnetism gravity or two different things. But I'm
Speaker 1: making this very simple just to try and explain how
Speaker 1: his magnetism theory work. But that's the basics of it.
Speaker 1: Is everything has a polarity, and if you can flip
Speaker 1: its polarity, it's going to start repelling against everything, and
Speaker 1: that would allow it to essentially float and you could
Speaker 1: push it around like a hover path. There's two problems
Speaker 1: with that theory. And number one is that is that
Speaker 1: magnetism effects ferrest minerals not and and limestone is non
Speaker 1: ferrest number one. Number two you know, yeah, we all
Speaker 1: have have played around with magnet you know, and so
Speaker 1: you know what happens, Like, say, if you've got a
Speaker 1: magnet and you put the two north ends of the
Speaker 1: magnets together, they tend to repel each other, right, and
Speaker 1: then they'll flip on you. Well because actually, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you let one of them go and it just snaps
Speaker 1: around and then smacks into the other magnet real hard, right,
Speaker 1: So I think that's what would have happened to good old,
Speaker 1: good old edge like that, I guess I can kind
Speaker 1: of see the whole magnetism thing if we're thinking of magnetism,
Speaker 1: like what holds atoms together? Almost magnetism is well, but
Speaker 1: if that's not the correct term for it, right, But
Speaker 1: that there's there's a force and if you and it's
Speaker 1: a got a opposite polar force, right, may maybe I'm
Speaker 1: making that up, but that if you were going to
Speaker 1: reverse the like integral polar of a thing, I think
Speaker 1: that not only would it not levitate. And this is
Speaker 1: my total basic understanding of standing, but like if you
Speaker 1: if you're going to reverse the polarity of that thing,
Speaker 1: isn't that thing going to cease to exist? Like you're
Speaker 1: reversing the polarity of all of the atoms that are
Speaker 1: that thing? So what's holding it together? And there's nothing
Speaker 1: really holding it together anymore? Is that a thing? Am
Speaker 1: I making that up? I would? I wouldn't stress about
Speaker 1: that because there's no way you can do that. But
Speaker 1: but but but like like particle, right, that's exactly it? Right?
Speaker 1: Is that like you get the gun, the anti hero
Speaker 1: in all of the like comics gets the gun. It's
Speaker 1: like the anti gravity gun, and he can't use it
Speaker 1: because really what it is is it disintegrates the person
Speaker 1: because it reverses the polarity of every atom. And I
Speaker 1: would really like to have one of those two but
Speaker 1: in traffic a yeah, but but yeah, magnetic polarity. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, in atoms, there's particles that have
Speaker 1: positive and negative and neutral charges, but that has that's
Speaker 1: nothing to do with magnetic polarity, all right, And this
Speaker 1: is this is all based on his writings and I guess, well,
Speaker 1: but I a little bit want to think about it
Speaker 1: in terms of like the nineteen thirties and forties right
Speaker 1: when he was writing it, because we've made some pretty
Speaker 1: significant advances in our understanding of things like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but well, let's let's let's get off of the the
Speaker 1: let's let's back to debate the theories of magnets. I
Speaker 1: do not want to get into any more of that.
Speaker 1: But what I do want to point out this is
Speaker 1: this is something that people who believe that he was
Speaker 1: making this anti gravity beam is they say that Ed
Speaker 1: was using a perpetual motion device and that's how he
Speaker 1: was able to to change the polarity of things. And
Speaker 1: make them float. And they also said that he had
Speaker 1: a machine that would run a charge into the property
Speaker 1: to help him do this. And he does have a
Speaker 1: very crude electro magnetic crank in in the building of
Speaker 1: the castle that he built. It could generate electricity. It
Speaker 1: had a copper coil, and all that which is the
Speaker 1: coil is gone, all the all the guts that are
Speaker 1: basically gone anymore. But they there was evidently two lights
Speaker 1: on the property, and people say, well, if he was
Speaker 1: using that, it would only work as long as ed
Speaker 1: was there to turn the crank, which defeats the purpose
Speaker 1: of having lights. So maybe he had some way to
Speaker 1: keep it going, which would maybe be his perpetual motion device,
Speaker 1: or maybe he he was in capturing the energy. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of it there. He could have actually
Speaker 1: just kidnapped people and held them prisoner and made them
Speaker 1: turn the crank. It wasn't there isn't there a way
Speaker 1: to store that perpetual motion a battery kind of yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he would build u an electrical charging like
Speaker 1: a like a hand crank radio, you know how they
Speaker 1: used to do it. You wouldn't have to have like
Speaker 1: content they have Usually the devices like that have a
Speaker 1: capacity which is kind of like a battery if you
Speaker 1: hold to charge, you know, and it can discharge the
Speaker 1: charge much faster than a battery. So he would have
Speaker 1: maybe had something. He probably had a capacitor or maybe
Speaker 1: battery or something, and so maybe he was cranking it up,
Speaker 1: charging up this device and then going using it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't know exactly what the thing did, because, like
Speaker 1: I said, the you're gone, Yeah they were gone. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so but anyway, I moved them before I went to
Speaker 1: the hospital. But yeah, anyway, I mean and apparently somebody,
Speaker 1: somebody nipped in there and stole a perpetual emotion machine too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: nobody's ever seen I you know, I think that somebody's
Speaker 1: having a little fun with us at this point. They're larning.
Speaker 1: They're larning on the hoaxes one on the other so
Speaker 1: so thickly that you know, they're obviously just they're pulling
Speaker 1: a insulting our intelligence here. Perpetual emotional machine. Come on, dudes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, there actually no, I actually think there
Speaker 1: was a stronger there's stronger evidence for the existence of
Speaker 1: than there is perpetual perpetual motion machines. Okay, let's let's
Speaker 1: keep going, let's move ahead. Yeah, okay, Remember I said
Speaker 1: that Ed worked at night, Yeah, because that way nobody
Speaker 1: could see him. There's a story out there from a
Speaker 1: group of high school students at the time, and they
Speaker 1: they said that one time they went out there and
Speaker 1: they saw Ed singing to the stones and he was
Speaker 1: pushing them around and they were floating like they were
Speaker 1: hydrogen filled balloons. Sorry, yeah, I'm sorry. You know, the
Speaker 1: first half of that was really the part they got
Speaker 1: me singing to the stones. Yeah, yeah, evidently had a
Speaker 1: great singing voice. I don't know ro so he was
Speaker 1: he was charming the stones. Yeah. Well, people have pointed out,
Speaker 1: you know, it was probably a couple of kids who
Speaker 1: got busted for being out after curfew and made up
Speaker 1: this crazy story so the cops wouldn't get after him
Speaker 1: for that. Maybe go look, try to divert attention from themselves.
Speaker 1: But then I also heard a really good idea of
Speaker 1: why Ed worked at night because it's hot, because he
Speaker 1: lived in southern Florida and it's super hot in the day.
Speaker 1: And remember back back in those days, they didn't have
Speaker 1: that magical stuff called sunscreen or air conditioning. Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: he lived in a stone house. He didn't have air
Speaker 1: conditioning either way. But uh yeah, having lived in here
Speaker 1: in Florida in part of the summer hot, it's hot
Speaker 1: as hell. And it's not only hot, it's muggy. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of places you you can kind
Speaker 1: of understand what hot, but until it's you know, just
Speaker 1: sopping wet air. It should rain but it can't, and
Speaker 1: all of that water is to you don't really know
Speaker 1: what heat is. Yeah, I know, I've been. I've been,
Speaker 1: like I was in Kansas City in July one time,
Speaker 1: kind of like that. Yeah, it was super muggy and
Speaker 1: just hotter degrees out and you felt like you're gonna
Speaker 1: melt the salk. You kind of wanted to. It was,
Speaker 1: and every every place that I see cold air conditioning.
Speaker 1: So I would walk into a shop whatever, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so great. But then you walk back out and
Speaker 1: it's like he's slapped in the face with a wet,
Speaker 1: hot tower. It's it's like a real life sauna. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's not pleasant, not pleasant at all. The last
Speaker 1: thing that I've got here for is is what I
Speaker 1: refer to as the number set. Okay, when you look
Speaker 1: at the photos of the property, there's pictures of Ed's
Speaker 1: standing next to uh an area where he has engraved
Speaker 1: in the rocks, when he was born, when he moved
Speaker 1: the property, all this, you know, kind of biographical stuff.
Speaker 1: But when you go into the second floor of the
Speaker 1: castle to part where he lived in on the side
Speaker 1: of one of the stones, there is a set of
Speaker 1: numbers etched in and they are seven, one, two nine.
Speaker 1: There's a line break six zero five one phone number.
Speaker 1: It's not a phone number. People say that, oh, well
Speaker 1: Ed must have figured out something. And this is if
Speaker 1: we can just understand that this this is totally a
Speaker 1: reference to the prime ridiant number. Once we get it,
Speaker 1: we'll totally get it. Well, Dan, isn't it just the
Speaker 1: meridian line the longitude? Yeah, it's it's latitude and longitude essentially.
Speaker 1: So that would be wrong. Yeah, that's not It doesn't
Speaker 1: even make that's nonsensical because it would have to be
Speaker 1: between one and three d and sixty degrees. That would
Speaker 1: make it. Well, I mean it could be degrees. Man,
Speaker 1: it's the second So yeah, I guess it could, you know,
Speaker 1: But I think there's a simpler answer for what these are. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: that's that's actually, you know, I mean I think that
Speaker 1: he probably put serial numbers on all of this blocks
Speaker 1: of stone, had a barcode, you could just can it. No, Actually,
Speaker 1: the stuff that I've come across does have the simpler answer,
Speaker 1: which is that is his immigrant I D number immigrant
Speaker 1: and alien ID number. Yes, And I actually I did
Speaker 1: dig around for a while trying to find out you
Speaker 1: can find out it's a I think it's an eight
Speaker 1: digit number. Now, is what I D numbers are for
Speaker 1: the the immigrant alien I D number. And we used
Speaker 1: to well, actually we did. You know, the thing is
Speaker 1: back and that that was at the time when he
Speaker 1: came to the States, which is around nineteen eighteen where
Speaker 1: we were having the Great European influx, so there was
Speaker 1: tons of people pouring through Ellis Island and I was
Speaker 1: doing a bunch of looking trying to find out how
Speaker 1: many digits were in those I D numbers, and I
Speaker 1: couldn't find it. It's just it's one of those historical
Speaker 1: things where I think it's probably in a picture, not
Speaker 1: in text form, and so I kept pouring through all
Speaker 1: these tags and not finding it. But people say, you
Speaker 1: know what, that's his immigrant I D number because it
Speaker 1: was not an uncommon practice for people to say I'm
Speaker 1: gonna etch this into my doorway, so people know that's
Speaker 1: me and this is where I live, which really makes
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. Yeah, the thing that I saw
Speaker 1: was that it was the alien I D number and
Speaker 1: the immigrant ID number. So the alien idea was the
Speaker 1: first one. So it was his I D number that
Speaker 1: he was given when he first like came before he
Speaker 1: was in any kind of citizens and then his immigrant
Speaker 1: status was the second, and that would make sense, that
Speaker 1: would make seven digit. Yeah, okay, that makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense. And obviously I feel like I shouldn't have
Speaker 1: to say this, but I'm gonna from another country, not
Speaker 1: another world. You don't mean you know people who like
Speaker 1: you know how I love my Martian theories. I know.
Speaker 1: But this guy, he was little, maybe he was at
Speaker 1: he was a little dude. It was a little dude
Speaker 1: with a really big head. Now he looked pretty human
Speaker 1: and all the pictures he just looks like a small human.
Speaker 1: It looks Latvian, and they actually I had no idea
Speaker 1: what Latvian. He looks like a normal being. And of
Speaker 1: course people back in those days, you know, there's a
Speaker 1: lot more abound nutrition floating around in those days, and
Speaker 1: so tended to be a bit smaller. What the what's
Speaker 1: her name Winchester, the woman who built the Winchester home
Speaker 1: in California. Yeah, she was like four nine, if you go.
Speaker 1: I went to her house one time, and the Winchester house.
Speaker 1: I did know. I was at their house. It's so
Speaker 1: frustrated because I was actually that's like San Jose, right,
Speaker 1: I was actually there one time. This was a while back,
Speaker 1: and uh and I just didn't have time. I even
Speaker 1: saw science saying Winchester house this way. You know, it's
Speaker 1: really fun frustrated. She actually built staircases that really that
Speaker 1: was well, no, she built staircases. They're like normal people staircases,
Speaker 1: and then like her staircases because she was so little
Speaker 1: that she just wanted to have her own little like
Speaker 1: I went up one and I was like hunched over,
Speaker 1: like trying to go up these tiny little stairs because
Speaker 1: she just, like I wanted all these little stairs. But
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, she was kind of a contemporary
Speaker 1: at that age. That's a that's a thing people were smaller.
Speaker 1: I think that's that's where you were going at expanded.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you noticed this like you know, and travels
Speaker 1: to Europe. You know, I've seen very very old buildings
Speaker 1: and the doorways and I am normal. Yeah, I say,
Speaker 1: I've seen yeah, a lot of really ancient buildings where
Speaker 1: the churches and stuff. Yeah, yeah, you got a duck.
Speaker 1: It's like five and a half feet is how high
Speaker 1: to the door is. Building codes were a little different
Speaker 1: back in those days. They didn't have them. They didn't
Speaker 1: have them. For number one, there were two people were
Speaker 1: all five feet tall. This is very true. Well anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of the that's that's what we know
Speaker 1: about Corral Castle, and those are the main the main
Speaker 1: theories on how people think Ed made the place. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, and I think it's fair to say. I
Speaker 1: think for our listeners again, uh, do a do a
Speaker 1: google on Wally Wallington, look at some of his techniques,
Speaker 1: and you know, I think that there's a very easy
Speaker 1: explainable explanation for this. I don't think supernatural things, anti
Speaker 1: gravity or magnetic whatever really accounts for any of this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I think. What do you guys think? So
Speaker 1: you don't even have to ask the question, because Joe's
Speaker 1: just answering on already. Yeah, I think so. You think
Speaker 1: the magnetic lay lines, right, Yeah, she likes those magnetic lines.
Speaker 1: I think ancient alien technology should not be counted out. No,
Speaker 1: I think I think that probably this whole This is
Speaker 1: so frustrating to say, but I kind of agree with Joe.
Speaker 1: You know, we all watched that video together and it
Speaker 1: was just kind of like a crap, Like, Nan, you're
Speaker 1: taking away all my fun theories with reason and actual science. No,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Actually, this just occurs to me.
Speaker 1: I don't know if any of you guys have played
Speaker 1: Half Life too. No, yeah, but Half Life Too. There's
Speaker 1: just one special thing that you get, and it's not
Speaker 1: exactly a weapon. I forget what they call it, but
Speaker 1: you can use it to pick up just anything. You
Speaker 1: can pick up a car with it. Maybe it's that
Speaker 1: maybe this guy you know, actually like you know, got
Speaker 1: this this special tool that we should in Half Life Too.
Speaker 1: Why don't we just say that he was praying it
Speaker 1: and was having crazy mom strength trying to protect his children. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with that. I personally, I think that
Speaker 1: it is probably a combination. I think that it is
Speaker 1: a combination of the standard block and tackle and then
Speaker 1: some very rudimentary version of the Primerradian. The stuff that
Speaker 1: Wellington was doing, I don't know that he maybe took
Speaker 1: it as far, but I think that he was doing
Speaker 1: something basic. You got to remember, this is not a
Speaker 1: huge place. I'm guessing that there. I mean, the walls
Speaker 1: I know must have taken him a long time because
Speaker 1: there's a lot of walls. But the things that he built,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, he worked on it for thirty
Speaker 1: years and there's a couple dozen structures or objects that
Speaker 1: he's arranged and put together aside from the walls. So
Speaker 1: this this stuff that Wellington did, he could move it
Speaker 1: around really fast, but I don't think that he necessarily
Speaker 1: was moving in that fast. And I think that he's
Speaker 1: probably working in bits and pieces that much larger than
Speaker 1: he's a Yeah he is. He is a bigger guy
Speaker 1: than Ed. Be honest, I would have taken me much
Speaker 1: longer to do something like that. And that's why I
Speaker 1: think that he's probably doing things in some combination using
Speaker 1: leverage but then using a winch or something like that.
Speaker 1: I really that's that's the direction that I think that
Speaker 1: he must have done. I don't think that he used
Speaker 1: the magnetic a line. They don't have a good explanation
Speaker 1: for that box on the top of that whatever the
Speaker 1: tripod is. But you want to know what I think that.
Speaker 1: I think that he nailed the poles to the box
Speaker 1: and that's what kept him from flying apart. It's a
Speaker 1: t P and he just drops the box. Okay, he
Speaker 1: three sticks and you lean them up against each other
Speaker 1: and they make that kind of little inverted t P
Speaker 1: at the top, and then you drop the box over him,
Speaker 1: and the box keeps him from sheering sideways. Drop a
Speaker 1: couple of nails, and then the things don't pull apart.
Speaker 1: I think as simple as that, it could be as
Speaker 1: simple as the box was like something that was manufactured
Speaker 1: that actually held that held held the poles there. They
Speaker 1: were actually essentially hinged all together. So imagine if if
Speaker 1: he's got this thing and he wants to move it
Speaker 1: over five ft right, so he could pick up one
Speaker 1: of these things, move it over, and then pick up
Speaker 1: the other ones and move them over, and you can
Speaker 1: do it kind of like that, as long as he's
Speaker 1: got this thing where they're all held together in hand
Speaker 1: and so they have a certain bit of leverage, but
Speaker 1: not too much. Yeah, yeah, so they can't go too
Speaker 1: far one way or the other. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that might I think that they were just there to
Speaker 1: hold the top together. Yeah, it could have been it too.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I mean yeah, that makes sense. I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just being contradictory at this point. Yeah, just because
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