WEBVTT - 9 Mouthwatering Facts about Sandwiches

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<v Speaker 1>He their podcast listeners. So the other day, Mango and

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<v Speaker 1>I were remembering that bizarre crime story from a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years ago where a guy in Chicago decided to

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<v Speaker 1>stick it to subway twice. Now, first, he walked into

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<v Speaker 1>subway and holds the place up at knife point, and

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<v Speaker 1>after he's done getting the money, he decides he's, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>too hungry to run for it just yet and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>needs a sandwich first. But instead of just getting them

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<v Speaker 1>to fix him one it's subway, he just walks across

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<v Speaker 1>the street to a pot belly. How convenient, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>where he still was eating his sandwich when the police

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<v Speaker 1>arrested him. So you might think we're gonna do today's

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<v Speaker 1>episode on nine things about ridiculous crimes or something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>but no, we're hungry too, So today's episode is our

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<v Speaker 1>nine favorite facts about sandwiches. Let's get started. Ye, you're

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<v Speaker 1>listening to part time genius. I'm Will Pearson and as

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<v Speaker 1>always I'm joined by my good friend Manes Ticketer and

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<v Speaker 1>the man on the other side of the soundproof glass

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<v Speaker 1>making us all jealous with a couple of giant sandwiches,

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<v Speaker 1>which he insists we call hoagies. For some reason is

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<v Speaker 1>our friend and producer Tristan McNeil. That's impressive, Tristan. Now

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<v Speaker 1>today is a little bit different because in our previous

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<v Speaker 1>Nine Things episodes we've been joined by our lead researcher,

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<v Speaker 1>Gabe Bluesier. But Gabs on vacation this week, and actually

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<v Speaker 1>so is Mango. But Mango is nice enough to hop

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<v Speaker 1>on the phone with us from Portland. Hey there, Mango,

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<v Speaker 1>how's the weather out in Portland? R? That sounds about right?

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<v Speaker 1>All right? Well, as you know, in Gabe's place and

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<v Speaker 1>and actually in studio here with me, is is one

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<v Speaker 1>of our house stuff Works all stars and a host

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<v Speaker 1>of food stuff, Lauren Vogelbaum. Welcome, Lauren, Hi, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>This is your second time on the show with us,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it. Yeah? This I came back. You came back.

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<v Speaker 1>We're glad you came. I'm glad to be back. Thanks,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks so much for inviting you. Ready to talk about sandwiches.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so ready to talk about sandwiches. It seemed appropriate

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<v Speaker 1>to have you on to do this, So so let's

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<v Speaker 1>get started now now, Mango, because I've got a bet

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<v Speaker 1>here with Lauren over which sandwich you're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about first. I thought i'd let you kick it off,

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<v Speaker 1>so so why don't you get us started? Sure, and

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<v Speaker 1>of course you know, I'm going to talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>PD and J, my favorite sandwich. Ever, actually I'm wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought you were going to talk about the grilled cheese. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well it's all you lays, go for it. So one

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<v Speaker 1>thing I love about peanut butter is that it used

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<v Speaker 1>to be this delicacy served an upscale tea room. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you know this, Lauren, but it was never

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<v Speaker 1>really served with kelly, so like they had peanut butter

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<v Speaker 1>and pimento sandwiches, or peanut butter and lettuce, or peanut

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<v Speaker 1>butter and water cress. I did not know that, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm disturbed. Please go ahead. No. According to the National

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<v Speaker 1>Peanut Pares, the first actual reference to PD and J

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<v Speaker 1>was from Julia Davis Chandler and something called the Boston

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<v Speaker 1>Cooking School magazine. And this was way back in and

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<v Speaker 1>she recommended using crab apple jelly, which are currently the

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<v Speaker 1>kids didn't love. But the sandwich didn't actually catch on

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<v Speaker 1>until World War Two, when it was used in military

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<v Speaker 1>rational menu. But then it took off with digger and

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<v Speaker 1>with a combination of sliced bread. It made making sandwich

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<v Speaker 1>is easy, and you know, kids could assemble them themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>which made them ubiquitous. But I think the best thing

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<v Speaker 1>I learned about TB and J is that grape jelly

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<v Speaker 1>also used to be called grape blade, just like marmalade.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh nice, I did not know that. So so the

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<v Speaker 1>P B and J caught on here much like spam

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<v Speaker 1>caught on everywhere else in the world because of the war.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that right? Or perhaps a vegemitor marmite? Yes? Yeah, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well that's a good first fact, Lauren. You

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<v Speaker 1>want to tackle the next one? Uh? Yeah, okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to tackle the question of whether or not

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<v Speaker 1>a burrito is a sandwich. It's a big question and

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<v Speaker 1>something we should tackle. Yeah. I mean, this is extremely cut,

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<v Speaker 1>cutting edge sandwich science that we're talking about here. It's

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<v Speaker 1>actually a legal distinction in most places. There was this

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<v Speaker 1>court case from two thousand six in which a Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 1>judge declared that legally, burritos and tacos neither are sandwiches. Yeah. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's Panara versus Cadoba. Am I saying that right?

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<v Speaker 1>I've never known. I always said Cutba, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>actually know. I probably should have looked it up. That's

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<v Speaker 1>okay though, So okay. So, so Panara was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>stop Codoba from renting in this one shopping center in

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<v Speaker 1>Massachusetts because the Panara in question was operating under a

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<v Speaker 1>sandwich exclusivity contract that means that no one else could

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<v Speaker 1>make sandwiches too near to their sandwiches. But the judge

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<v Speaker 1>ruled against Panera. They were like, no, I just used

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<v Speaker 1>this dictionary and this common sense that I have and

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<v Speaker 1>it's not a sand and that's ridiculous. It's not a sandwich. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Well I've I've actually got another big one that's perfect

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<v Speaker 1>because I didn't know we were going to be we

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<v Speaker 1>should do a separate episode on things that are not sandwiches, apparently,

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<v Speaker 1>because is not a sandwich but a hot dog. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's my first fact. Now I know that a hot

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<v Speaker 1>dog is meat stuck in between bread. Makes it sound

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<v Speaker 1>so appetizing, doesn't it. But here, look, I've got an

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<v Speaker 1>official press release from the National hot Dog and Sausage Council.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know this existed? Yes? And here's what This

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<v Speaker 1>press release from a couple of years ago says, It says.

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<v Speaker 1>Our verdict is a hot dog is an exclamation of

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<v Speaker 1>joy of a food, a verb describing one showing off,

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<v Speaker 1>and even an emoji. It is truly a category unto

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<v Speaker 1>its own, and it is not It is not a sandwich,

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<v Speaker 1>but not a exclamation of joy, not a sandwich, right right, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, that's a little bit existential. But I but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm into it. So there you go. Alright, mango, what's

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<v Speaker 1>your next fact? So I actually am playing the type

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<v Speaker 1>here and it's on drilled cheeses. I actually decided to

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<v Speaker 1>look up the most expensive sandwich and this restaurant, Saren

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<v Speaker 1>Deputy Tree came up, Like, I'm not sure if you're

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<v Speaker 1>Dirty Rocks fans, but do you remember when Jack Doggy

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<v Speaker 1>went up the super luxurious Sunday that had to be

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<v Speaker 1>ordered in advance for Valentine's dad. They were walking serendipities,

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<v Speaker 1>a thousand dollar opulent Sunday. But if you're not looking

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<v Speaker 1>to spend quite that much. The restaurant also makes this

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred fifteen dollar quintessential grilled cheese, which is, according

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<v Speaker 1>to the Guinness Book of World Records, the world's most

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<v Speaker 1>expensive sentwich. It's actually it's actually built on a Chancaine

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<v Speaker 1>bread midwip dom Perigna. It has twenty four carrot gold flakes.

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<v Speaker 1>It uses trumple butter and a rare cheese, and it

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<v Speaker 1>comes with a South African lobster tomato bist just as

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<v Speaker 1>a dipping suf. And also you have to order at

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<v Speaker 1>forty eight hours and events. And that's because they want

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<v Speaker 1>all the ingredients to be assembled fresh. And as any

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<v Speaker 1>billionaire will tell you, you don't want any old gold

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<v Speaker 1>on your grilled cheeses. I wonder if it's one of

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<v Speaker 1>those you just can't go back once you try. You're like,

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<v Speaker 1>I can settle for nothing less than a grilled cheese

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<v Speaker 1>from now on. I think that's right. That is an

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly expensive sandwich, La, what you got? I hate one up,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, but I have a more expensive sandwich. More

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<v Speaker 1>expensive sandwich than a grilled cheese. Okay, there was this

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<v Speaker 1>one time that NASA spent almost three million dollars on

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<v Speaker 1>a sandwich. That's more than it's a couple. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's a little bit of spare change more. Yeah. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so um so so Back in ten, this British TV

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<v Speaker 1>personality type chef by the name of Heston Bluementhal developed

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<v Speaker 1>a bacon sandwich, simple British bacon sandwich, but for space

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<v Speaker 1>and uh and so in doing this, um he he

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<v Speaker 1>he had to uh get away for it to go

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<v Speaker 1>in a can for like food safety purposes so they

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<v Speaker 1>can irradiate it properly. And um specifically designed it to

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<v Speaker 1>hold up in low gravity so that you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>crumbs of the sandwich won't float all around and get

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<v Speaker 1>into the equipment and ruin everything. Um. He designed this

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<v Speaker 1>for for Major Tim peaka another British fellow who was

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<v Speaker 1>going up to the I says it took him two

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<v Speaker 1>years to create the sandwich. Two years and over two

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<v Speaker 1>million pounds about three million bucks between the cost of

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<v Speaker 1>development and then actually transporting the thing. Wow, that is unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>So almost three million dollars for this sandwich. Yeah. But

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<v Speaker 1>but but Peak liked it. He reordered like next supplied,

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<v Speaker 1>was like, yeah, it was worth it. Yeah. Is it

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<v Speaker 1>cheaper in bulk? Like discounting there's another three million dollar sandwich.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the price drops the more that you send

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<v Speaker 1>up there. I mean, although you know it costs anywhere

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<v Speaker 1>from from like seven grand to maybe like twelve grand

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<v Speaker 1>to send a pound of stuff to the I S. S.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's impressive. Well, this is weird because we started

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<v Speaker 1>out your your first fact, I followed with a similar

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<v Speaker 1>fact about what's not a sandwich? Well, I also have

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<v Speaker 1>a NASA sandwich fact. Okay, And this one comes from

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of the Gemini three mission in nineteen sixty five,

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<v Speaker 1>astronaut John Young sandwich smuggler. Yes, he pulled out a

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<v Speaker 1>corned beef sandwich. Now not only that, but this came

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<v Speaker 1>from a place called Wolfe's Restaurant in Sandwich Shop and

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<v Speaker 1>Cocoa Beach. But this was attached to a ramata in.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're gonna smuggle a sandwich into space from

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<v Speaker 1>the sandwich shop attached to the ramata inn, it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like the obvious choice something exactly well, but as you

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<v Speaker 1>pointed out, they it didn't hold together. Well, these sandwiches

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<v Speaker 1>in space, they start breaking up, and so the other

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<v Speaker 1>astronaut next to him, Gus Grissom, starts worrying that it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to start floating away the crumbs and get into

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<v Speaker 1>all the ventilation system and things like that, and so

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<v Speaker 1>he grabs this and puts it in his pocket. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this whole thing went down in a total of like

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<v Speaker 1>ten seconds. And so you think, okay, that happened, no

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<v Speaker 1>big deal, but it actually sent several of the congressmen

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<v Speaker 1>into a tizzy. They were really ticked off that they'd

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<v Speaker 1>spent these millions of dollars and now we know it

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<v Speaker 1>was almost three million dollars to develop these sandwiches going

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<v Speaker 1>into space, and instead this guy was smuggling in his

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<v Speaker 1>own corn beef sandwich into space. However, one of my

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<v Speaker 1>other favorite things about this is you fast forwards sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>years and the first time corn beef was officially added

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<v Speaker 1>to the flight menu. It's when Commander John Young Sam

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<v Speaker 1>John Young was leading this mission into space and they

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<v Speaker 1>added the sandwich to it. So, yeah, beef in space.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah. You know, you can actually see this sandwich

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<v Speaker 1>if you go to the Grissome Memorial Museum in Mitchell, Indiana.

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<v Speaker 1>It's actually encased in acrylic, so you can go check

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<v Speaker 1>this sandwich out. Pretty cool, huh? And is that exhibit

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<v Speaker 1>sponsored by Ramana in Probably as it should be. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>so we got one last fact each Mango your turn,

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<v Speaker 1>Now what you got? So this is about wonderbread and

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<v Speaker 1>in the late nineties, Wonderbread did a couple of things

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<v Speaker 1>to shake up their business. They started putting their bread

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<v Speaker 1>in pelophane and invited users to throw away their bread boxers,

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<v Speaker 1>which actually kind of worked. But one innovation that didn't

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<v Speaker 1>take off was their idea for round bread, like a

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<v Speaker 1>bending their usual low. Wonderbread started making this circle shaped

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<v Speaker 1>bread that perfectly fit your fried eggs or hamburgers or

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<v Speaker 1>even your ballogney, and they marketed it as quote the

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<v Speaker 1>best thing that ever happened to sandwiches, a buch of

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<v Speaker 1>true statements that they had to quickly discontinue the bread.

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<v Speaker 1>That's sad. I feel like wonder bread is best shaped

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<v Speaker 1>and like a really tightly compressed ball. For some reason,

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<v Speaker 1>I always had that desire with like wonder bread, squitchy bread,

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<v Speaker 1>and like squeeze it together and then just make this

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<v Speaker 1>tiny little ball underneath. Yeah. Absolutely, it's more like I

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<v Speaker 1>like it. All right. That's a good a good last

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<v Speaker 1>fact there, Mango, All right, Lauren, you'r last fact what

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<v Speaker 1>you got? Alright. So so speaking of of a sliced

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<v Speaker 1>bread and wonder bread stuff like that, the history of

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<v Speaker 1>sandwich is does owe a lot to the invention of

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<v Speaker 1>bread slicing machines, but for a brief period of time,

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<v Speaker 1>sliced bread was banned in the United States. It was

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<v Speaker 1>the wall was on um. We all have this accent.

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<v Speaker 1>Very Suddenly, the head of the War Foods Administration, one

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<v Speaker 1>clawed are Wickered, in a probable attempt to conserve resources,

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<v Speaker 1>decided to ban sliced bread. This was for a few

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<v Speaker 1>possible reasons. The cost of wax paper to wrap it

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<v Speaker 1>because cellophane hadn't really caught on yet. Also, the cost

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<v Speaker 1>of flour and bread were on the rise, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>since sales of bread had increased when when pre sliced

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<v Speaker 1>bread became available. He figured that maybe you know, doing

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<v Speaker 1>away with sliced bread would make you know, the demand

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<v Speaker 1>drop and therefore even out the prices better for the consumer,

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<v Speaker 1>all of that kind of stuff. Uh. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>since bread slicing machine takes up a lot of steel,

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<v Speaker 1>conserve the supply of steel very important. None of these

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<v Speaker 1>were really good reasons, though, and there was such a

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<v Speaker 1>public outcry that he lifted the ban in less than

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<v Speaker 1>two months. Wow, didn't take long. People need sliced bread.

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<v Speaker 1>People neither sliced sliced it. Yeah, there was a terrific

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<v Speaker 1>article in the New York Times. The headline was sliced

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<v Speaker 1>bread put back on sale, housewives thumbs safe again. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a good one, all right. Well, speaking of controversy, I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to end with with the fact as well, something

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<v Speaker 1>else people cannot live without is their fluffer Nutter sandwiches.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was a weird court battle from a little

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<v Speaker 1>over a decade ago, Fluffer Nutter versus Massachusetts State Senator

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<v Speaker 1>Jared Barrios. Okay, so we're talking about one where this

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<v Speaker 1>senator realized that his kids were eating these fluffer nutters

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<v Speaker 1>sandwiches every single day at school. I can imagine being

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<v Speaker 1>a little frustrated with that as apparently realized that, but

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not taking it to the level that he did.

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<v Speaker 1>He decided he was going to try to pass a

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<v Speaker 1>law against serving these things in schools. Well, this didn't

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<v Speaker 1>sit well with certain other senators, and so there was

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<v Speaker 1>a state representative rather Kathy Anne Reinstein, and she was

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<v Speaker 1>so opposed to this legislation that she planned to quote

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<v Speaker 1>fight to the death for the fluff and so she

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<v Speaker 1>even supported legislation that would make the fluff nutter the

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<v Speaker 1>official state sandwich. So I don't think that has happened

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<v Speaker 1>just yet. But but fortunately for the fans of the

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<v Speaker 1>fluff or nutter, Senator Barrios attempt failed and that law

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<v Speaker 1>did not go through. So these children are still able

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<v Speaker 1>to eat their fluff or nutters. Oh that's good. That's

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<v Speaker 1>good to hear. I hate to hear anyone denied fluff. U. Yes, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel like we should probably make sure everyone

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<v Speaker 1>understands what a fluff or nutter is. But you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like maybe we shouldn't. We should just leave

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<v Speaker 1>it there. I don't know, go for it. L well,

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<v Speaker 1>I I do. I have a bonus fact about the

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<v Speaker 1>fluff nuts that it was originally called the liberty sandwich.

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<v Speaker 1>The why is that because it was saving on lunch meat,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like like if you if you're if you're

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<v Speaker 1>in wartime, if you're trying to save resources them more,

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<v Speaker 1>it's less expensive and still you know, it's got some

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<v Speaker 1>peanut butter in there. It's it's nutritionally stable ish peanut

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<v Speaker 1>butter and marshmallow ruff and freedom. Absolutely. All right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like some of my facts were pretty good. However,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the play of the day was definitely when

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<v Speaker 1>Lauren one up to Mango with the most expensive sandwich,

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<v Speaker 1>So Mango. I know you're on vacation having a good time,

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<v Speaker 1>but I really do feel like we have to give

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<v Speaker 1>the PTG Trophy to Lauren on her first visit as

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<v Speaker 1>as part of a fact off guest, what do you think?

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<v Speaker 1>I think? Alright, congratulations Lauren. Thank you guys so much

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<v Speaker 1>for listening today, and we'll be back with a regular

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<v Speaker 1>episode tomorrow