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Speaker 1: nine favorite facts about sandwiches. Let's get started. Ye, you're

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Speaker 1: listening to part time genius. I'm Will Pearson and as

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Speaker 1: always I'm joined by my good friend Manes Ticketer and

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Speaker 1: today is a little bit different because in our previous

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Speaker 1: on the phone with us from Portland. Hey there, Mango,

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Speaker 1: isn't it. Yeah? This I came back. You came back.

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for inviting you. Ready to talk about sandwiches.

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Speaker 1: I'm so ready to talk about sandwiches. It seemed appropriate

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Speaker 1: so so why don't you get us started? Sure, and

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Speaker 1: PD and J, my favorite sandwich. Ever, actually I'm wrong.

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Speaker 1: I feel like some of my facts were pretty good. However,

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Speaker 1: So Mango. I know you're on vacation having a good time,

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Speaker 1: I think? Alright, congratulations Lauren. Thank you guys so much

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