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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, Season eighteen, episode number seventy. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the latest edition of The Break. We are alive in
Speaker 1: this WBC Morgan Studios at the Star, representer by Miller Lite,
Speaker 1: the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. And man, I'm
Speaker 1: not used to this having a Monday where we come
Speaker 1: in here and talk about a loss. We've gotten kind
Speaker 1: of spoiled around here. But Cowboys do lose. Yesterday, they
Speaker 1: lose on the road at the Green Bay Packers. They
Speaker 1: lose thirty one twenty eight in overtime. And where I
Speaker 1: want to start today is there were so many things
Speaker 1: that happened in this game. But I'd like to go
Speaker 1: around the table and I'd like each of you to
Speaker 1: tell me what you think was the biggest reason why
Speaker 1: they lost yesterday's game. Let's start with you, Brian. We
Speaker 1: knew going into the game the run defense potentially could
Speaker 1: be a problem. I kind of felt like that that's
Speaker 1: what green Bay was committed to doing. I kind of
Speaker 1: feel like at the point in time when I went
Speaker 1: back and watched the All twenty two, felt like that
Speaker 1: they had a chance to end this game, win this
Speaker 1: game with everything that happened to it. On the fourth
Speaker 1: and seven play, you know that green Bay converted that
Speaker 1: they got Watson scored a touchdown on right there, you
Speaker 1: get a stop on fourth and seven. The game's over
Speaker 1: balls right there basically at midfield, and you get a
Speaker 1: shot to just run that thing out. You've got green
Speaker 1: Bay probably demoralized a little bit having to come back
Speaker 1: on the field. But yeah, the run defense was going
Speaker 1: to be a problem. And but that's the when you
Speaker 1: look at you look at like key plays in the game.
Speaker 1: You could talk about the fourth down play that Dallas had.
Speaker 1: But if somehow, some way you make a play, you know,
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons on the twist stunt gets a little wide
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, it gives Rogers the
Speaker 1: opportunity to step up and make that throw. You know,
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons makes that play a lot of times. You
Speaker 1: know it's a sack, it's a turnover, it's the game's
Speaker 1: over at that right there. For all the things that
Speaker 1: happened to you, good and bad in that football game,
Speaker 1: you make one play on fourth and seven, You're gonna
Speaker 1: win that football game. And I think that's a little
Speaker 1: bit disappointing for something. If you said, give me one
Speaker 1: thing other than Cowboy run defense that kind of affected
Speaker 1: this game. Amber, Yeah, the run defense was definitely an issue,
Speaker 1: and it was you can clearly see that from yesterday's game.
Speaker 1: But like Ryan said, it's hard to pinpoint something specific
Speaker 1: when you look at the game overall. And last week
Speaker 1: on Friday and even Thursday, I was talking about one
Speaker 1: of my biggest concerns going into this game, where penalties
Speaker 1: and how that could have my thought of it affecting
Speaker 1: the Cowboys in a bad way, and it absolutely did.
Speaker 1: Despite all the mistakes that were made on the offensive
Speaker 1: side of the balls, the things, you know, the two interceptions,
Speaker 1: certain plays that you're like, why are they calling display
Speaker 1: right now? Despite all that, they were able to come
Speaker 1: back make it a game. And then you go into overtime,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure we're going to discuss those penalties, but damn,
Speaker 1: it's like, why does they have to come down to that.
Speaker 1: I mean, you were able to tie the game against
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers comes back, the defense kind of bends in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, which was crazy to see the way
Speaker 1: that they were able to just run over all over
Speaker 1: the defense. But I would say it's just mistakes on offense,
Speaker 1: just not playing a clean game, some of the decision making,
Speaker 1: maybe Dad getting a little too comfortable and making some
Speaker 1: of those throws that he shouldn't have made, and it
Speaker 1: just all came down to that. You could have started
Speaker 1: the game being ten seven and he didn't go that way.
Speaker 1: But I mean, there's no way to really predict what
Speaker 1: could have happened at that point on if they had
Speaker 1: kind of protected the ball better to start the game.
Speaker 1: Their quarterbacks better than yours by far, and that's the
Speaker 1: difference in the game to me. So yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: I mean, he made no mistakes and that made a
Speaker 1: few mistakes, So that's the difference I think. I mean,
Speaker 1: he can't beat this guy. I mean, they beat him twice,
Speaker 1: but you know it's ten years ago and fifteen years
Speaker 1: ago or something like that. I mean, he's way better
Speaker 1: than you, and then that's that's the problem. And he's
Speaker 1: not interested in playing a lot of games, but he
Speaker 1: was interested in that one apparently. Yeah, that's what's frustrating.
Speaker 1: If I'm the Packers, I'm probably more frustrated than the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: because if you got it, then give it every damn game.
Speaker 1: You don't have it every game. Well, the difference I
Speaker 1: think is that they didn't ask as much of it
Speaker 1: him yesterday as they've typically asked of him. I think
Speaker 1: he was very clear yesterday. They went into that game
Speaker 1: saying he controlled the game. No, you know, he made
Speaker 1: the throws when he needed to make the throws. But
Speaker 1: guess what, he played a Cooper Rush kind of game.
Speaker 1: That's the interesting points about this. Like they were not
Speaker 1: throwing the ball around the yard. They were run. They
Speaker 1: went in the game their first I think it was
Speaker 1: of the first fifteen plays they ran, twelve of them
Speaker 1: were rushing. Like they went into the game saying, Aaron,
Speaker 1: we will call you when we need you right now.
Speaker 1: And I'm talking about Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Jones, and Dylan
Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna give you guys the ball and
Speaker 1: we're gonna let you run. It's it's it's funny. You've
Speaker 1: played two of Hall of Fame quarterbacks this year in
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and then also Tom Brady, and neither one
Speaker 1: of them really had to have a great game for
Speaker 1: them to win by I mean, but to Nick's point,
Speaker 1: he's when Rogers had to make throws. He made throws.
Speaker 1: I mean, and and they and you know, and he
Speaker 1: he starts off the game throwing the ball to to
Speaker 1: Watson and Watson drops two and row and you're like going, Okay,
Speaker 1: we've seen we've seen this act before. But he just
Speaker 1: kept throwing them the ball. And I think the Dallas
Speaker 1: secondary got a little compromised with what was happening with
Speaker 1: them with Bland and then you know, and also you
Speaker 1: know them having to make a lot of changes though
Speaker 1: in the secondary as well. I mean, it's just it
Speaker 1: was tough. I mean, it's just it's I always say
Speaker 1: it's about this team. It hates prosperity. It really hates prosperity.
Speaker 1: It hates when you give them something that they can
Speaker 1: they can take advantage of and make a difference, and
Speaker 1: when they hate it when you do that. They like
Speaker 1: to make it as hard as possible to win these
Speaker 1: football games. It's never easy with this bunch. You know,
Speaker 1: you get the turnover, I mean, tank with the brilliant
Speaker 1: I mean, they get the sack and the sack fumble,
Speaker 1: and like to Ambar's point, then you throw a ball,
Speaker 1: you give it right back and they score on that,
Speaker 1: you know, instead of instead of you kicking a field
Speaker 1: goal or you scoring a touchdown, they give it right
Speaker 1: back and it's like, okay, you know, well, hey, by
Speaker 1: the way, we're gonna have a couple of runs in here.
Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna make a good run. You're Oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, we're gonna get called for holding here.
Speaker 1: Oh another thing. We're gonna run for nine yards. But
Speaker 1: we're not gonna line up on sides. You know, they
Speaker 1: hate prosperity. They just hate it when you give them
Speaker 1: something that's going to help them win the game. And
Speaker 1: that's the thing that's really the most frustrating. I mean,
Speaker 1: the run defense stuff. We can get into all that
Speaker 1: because of and I'll just give you an example on
Speaker 1: the on the touchdown run, uh that that Aaron Jones
Speaker 1: had where it just looked like it with a wide
Speaker 1: open hole. They're running a twist stunt. They're running to twist.
Speaker 1: Bohannah goes out and it's supposed to be Fouler inside.
Speaker 1: Fouler doesn't go inside. They got they got the twist
Speaker 1: on the opposite side. They're gonna run the twist to
Speaker 1: the play side and they're gonna twist right into it.
Speaker 1: And what happens. Fowler doesn't run the twist, and now
Speaker 1: it's a It's a huge gain for a touchdown. That's
Speaker 1: the kind of things that happens to this football team
Speaker 1: way way too often for them to be is as
Speaker 1: good as they are with record, right, crazy thing. It's
Speaker 1: like you're in Green Bay. You're going up against Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: Yes it is Aaron Rodgers better than Dak Prescott, Yeah,
Speaker 1: sure he is. But you got you get to the
Speaker 1: point where you got a fourteen point lead against them,
Speaker 1: that's going into the fourth quarter, and then still you
Speaker 1: manage And I don't think this game much to your point, Derek,
Speaker 1: I don't think this game was necessarily won by Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers and his arm. It was the running game where
Speaker 1: they just completely ran through the whole Cowboys defense. But
Speaker 1: it's just insane to see how the game started. It
Speaker 1: was really slow, and then you get to that lead
Speaker 1: like that, and then just completely they tied, the game
Speaker 1: goes into overtime, then the crazy it happens. To Nick's point.
Speaker 1: To Nick's point, Rodgers was into this game. The fact
Speaker 1: on third down, fourth down there and he's yelling. He's
Speaker 1: yelling at this guy. And I know he yells the
Speaker 1: coach every once in a while, but you could tell
Speaker 1: he wanted to win this football game. You could tell
Speaker 1: about the way that he was that he was playing
Speaker 1: and you know, and he stuck with it. I mean,
Speaker 1: he made some really really good throws in this game
Speaker 1: that they had they had to have, and you know
Speaker 1: that that's the difference. You know, the recipe for your
Speaker 1: quarterback throwing forty six times is never good, just never good.
Speaker 1: When it turns into that, it's just you know, it's
Speaker 1: something bad, it's probably gonna happen. So how much blame
Speaker 1: do we give Kellen Moore Because it's one of the
Speaker 1: things that we talked about during that five game stretch
Speaker 1: where rushes your quarterback and you go four and one
Speaker 1: and everybody's saying, well, yeah, the reason why is because
Speaker 1: they're managing the game. With Cooper Rush, he only has
Speaker 1: to make a few plays a game, and they're running
Speaker 1: the ball. They're running the ball effectively, and they should
Speaker 1: do the same thing when Dak comes back. However, yesterday
Speaker 1: said that was not a Cooper Rush kind of game.
Speaker 1: That was a game where we got our starter backs,
Speaker 1: so that means we're just going to air it out.
Speaker 1: There was never any reason for them to feel like
Speaker 1: they got they should get away from the run. They
Speaker 1: were running the ball effectively. How much blame do you
Speaker 1: put on Kellen Moore? I put I put blame on
Speaker 1: the fourth downplay, And honestly, I felt like at the
Speaker 1: end when Mike McCarthy, he made me feel a little
Speaker 1: bit better about it because I was thinking that maybe
Speaker 1: McCarthy decided to go for it on fourth down and
Speaker 1: Kellen didn't have a play ready, you know, but Mike
Speaker 1: came out and said no. On second down. I told
Speaker 1: him we're going. Obviously, trying to kick a field goal
Speaker 1: that way was not good. Kicking off anything going that
Speaker 1: direction was not good to be good enough. Though. The
Speaker 1: problem I have is, though, what play you called if
Speaker 1: if you're learning on third down that the officials are
Speaker 1: not going to call pass interference or anything like that
Speaker 1: on that third down play. I'm like, okay, I'm about
Speaker 1: to throw a bunch pick route on you here, I
Speaker 1: mean and pick. I'm about to run pick routes. And
Speaker 1: if you're if you're going to swallow the whistle on this,
Speaker 1: I'm coming with a fourth down play or a play
Speaker 1: that's gonna get me this first down where but you know,
Speaker 1: to run trips and then try and really, I mean,
Speaker 1: the shallow cross was not there, the ball the curl
Speaker 1: inside wasn't there because Alexander, and then you kind of
Speaker 1: throw the ball to Pollard in the flat. You know,
Speaker 1: give me a play where, give me your best two
Speaker 1: point play to get a first down. Give me something
Speaker 1: that make these officials like I say, run picks, get
Speaker 1: guys open, kind of wheel it. Do whatever you have
Speaker 1: to do. But for that call at that particular time
Speaker 1: in the game, I'm like, going that play had nothing.
Speaker 1: That play had absolutely nothing. And I agree with you
Speaker 1: about running the football. I do. I think putting Dak
Speaker 1: in Harm's way at times is not very good. But
Speaker 1: I also feel like though that have a really have
Speaker 1: a good play ready on fourth down and I don't
Speaker 1: think they did in this particular case. You look at
Speaker 1: the numbers on DAC yesterday. He was twenty seven to
Speaker 1: forty six to fifty nine percent completion rate not good,
Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty five yards, three touchdowns, two interceptions.
Speaker 1: That I think is key in this quarterback grading was
Speaker 1: seventy eight point six. Nick. How much blame you put
Speaker 1: on DAK for that loss? Not as much as I
Speaker 1: put on Kellen More. I mean, that's that's the I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't the fourth down play. I agree that was bad,
Speaker 1: but it's third down. For me. It's third and three
Speaker 1: with six twenty five to go. I mean, run the football.
Speaker 1: They are not stopping either one of those two backs.
Speaker 1: And I'm and I'm putting at the balls at the
Speaker 1: thirty five yard line. You're not kicking it at the
Speaker 1: thirty five. Would you kick it at the thirty two? Maybe?
Speaker 1: And you might kick it, And you might kick it
Speaker 1: at the thirty two with five minutes to play in
Speaker 1: the game and overtime as opposed to six to twenty five,
Speaker 1: run it, run it, and and I don't think they
Speaker 1: get stopped. And you know, but the you know, the
Speaker 1: the officials, you hate you hate to blame officials, but
Speaker 1: you just want to see it consistent. If you're gonna
Speaker 1: call Connor William I'm sorry, Connor McGovern same thing, because
Speaker 1: you want to think about the holding. You're gonna call
Speaker 1: McGovern on that penalty in overtime. If you're calling that, okay,
Speaker 1: then then call it. If you're gonna just say and overtime,
Speaker 1: let him play, it's gotta be a it's got to
Speaker 1: be like a blood bath before I call anything. That's
Speaker 1: why I would do it. But they don't do it
Speaker 1: that way. You're gonna call that, then you gotta call
Speaker 1: it with CD getting getting Oh he got interfered with.
Speaker 1: He got interfered with. And that's clearly that's why. Again,
Speaker 1: that's why you know, and I think Nick's right, run
Speaker 1: the ball, run the ball. You'd had success and not
Speaker 1: stopping that. You're not stopping that, you know. And that's
Speaker 1: the thing about it is that. But man, I mean,
Speaker 1: if at that fourth down play, it's like, fine, okay,
Speaker 1: you did, You're not gonna give us one. I'm about
Speaker 1: to run a pick and I'm gonna see if you're
Speaker 1: gonna call offensive pass interference here when I spring ceedee
Speaker 1: lamb open for about twenty six yards here because I'm
Speaker 1: gonna run. I am going to make you have to
Speaker 1: make that call. You make that call. Now I'm losing
Speaker 1: my absolute mind. But you know I lost it. I
Speaker 1: just it. Yeah, But that's that's what happened with that. Well,
Speaker 1: the headsets broke. There's that just shows you how emotionless
Speaker 1: game was for Mike McCarthy for shot. You know, I mean,
Speaker 1: and he and I don't. I think it was the
Speaker 1: frustration when he talked to Brad Sham pregame. You know,
Speaker 1: we played on one O five three. The fan he
Speaker 1: was he was a you know, it was a little
Speaker 1: bit try go Brady. He just guarantee a win. You know,
Speaker 1: he was very much, very confident that his football team
Speaker 1: was going to go out there and play well and
Speaker 1: he was gonna get they were gonna vict That coaches
Speaker 1: have confidence all the time, but Mike was very much
Speaker 1: a after we get this win, you know, we're gonna
Speaker 1: go back and we're gonna you know. And I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I think this. I think this one meant
Speaker 1: a lot to him. And the fact that they didn't
Speaker 1: get it and they had some penalties on the back
Speaker 1: end of this thing, I think made him even more
Speaker 1: upset after the game. You can just if you listen
Speaker 1: to the press conference of him speaking, the way he
Speaker 1: was talking, even at one point his eyes were pretty shiny,
Speaker 1: you know, So there was a lot of emotion there
Speaker 1: and you can absolutely see it. And going back to
Speaker 1: some you mentioned Celee Lamb, you guys were talking about him,
Speaker 1: and it reminded me of that one play that they
Speaker 1: have that they like put that play away. I don't
Speaker 1: want to hear whatever option routes happen in the middle
Speaker 1: of the field. You don't want to run anymore. Want
Speaker 1: to hear miscommunication being the word used after a game again,
Speaker 1: like bringing Brough, Like what miscommunication? You practice this and
Speaker 1: and and I'm reacting this way because this isn't the
Speaker 1: first time we see this. So last week, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: happened two weeks weeks ago, Yeah exactly. Yeah, you had
Speaker 1: a week to fix it, and then it happens again.
Speaker 1: And then you use the word miscommunication, Well what the
Speaker 1: are you? What are you doing in during practice and
Speaker 1: there should not be a miscommunication. Well that's and that's
Speaker 1: something to do with Dak's first interception. We we could
Speaker 1: we could have sat out there and watched them practice
Speaker 1: that play that they end with Schultz and CD getting
Speaker 1: kind of real close there, and when they run to play,
Speaker 1: there's no congestion there. Everything is spaced right. Everything you
Speaker 1: know it's and Dak makes that throw and it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: you know next period, you know everything it's it's it's
Speaker 1: a successful play. It scores every time in practice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then when you run it into game, you're like going,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, the Titan gets a little short in
Speaker 1: the route. The receiver didn't get far enough. Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: there's guys standing there. Like when you practice that play,
Speaker 1: it's a touchdown every single time. But that's also where
Speaker 1: that's quarterback. But that's why he makes that throw. That's
Speaker 1: why he makes that throw because every single time they
Speaker 1: practice that, it's a touchdown in practice, right, But that's
Speaker 1: also where he has to And maybe I don't understand
Speaker 1: the quarterback position in the NFL. I will a lot
Speaker 1: have never played NFL quarterback, but I would think that
Speaker 1: he is watching his receivers to know, Oh, wow, his
Speaker 1: short's coming up, his route is coming up a little show,
Speaker 1: Oh he got bumped there. Oh there's a ton of
Speaker 1: congestion there. Maybe i't to go to a different receiver
Speaker 1: or maybe think about tucking and running or getting rid
Speaker 1: of the ball well one of those other options. See,
Speaker 1: but there was all that congestion there, there were receivers
Speaker 1: that were not where they were supposed to be. I
Speaker 1: still put it on the quarterback. You've got absolutely right,
Speaker 1: absolutely see and the and the previous play to that,
Speaker 1: they try and run a screen. They fake a screen
Speaker 1: to the left, and it just goes to show you
Speaker 1: how fed up things get for the Cowboys when it
Speaker 1: comes to running. They got they got a chance on
Speaker 1: the screenplay, but they got Davis in there running the
Speaker 1: play and he gets all knocked around, and then Dak
Speaker 1: has to run the ball. So you know, you never
Speaker 1: know if that's if that's Pollard or is that Zeke?
Speaker 1: Is it a clean you know, is it a clean throw?
Speaker 1: And now we're not throwing an interception on the next play.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, you know, you're thinking, oh, they
Speaker 1: faked a screen. They get everybody to one side, but
Speaker 1: then the back who doesn't play all the time gets
Speaker 1: knocked around a little bit. So now Dak has to
Speaker 1: eat it. And what happens. Then third down he's making
Speaker 1: a force throw, you know, but you're you're not wrong
Speaker 1: about that and seeing it how he needs to see it.
Speaker 1: All right, It's like our first break and we come back.
Speaker 1: We got to talk about the defense man. This defense
Speaker 1: we had such high hopes for them early in the season,
Speaker 1: and yesterday it does leave a lot of doubts. We'll
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Speaker 1: good time right now the middle it's off, but get
Speaker 1: it together. We'll get it together. Blockchain is a good one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they are allowed. The defense allowed two hundred and seven
Speaker 1: rush yards yesterday five point three average. And the interesting
Speaker 1: part is they ran almost double the amount of times
Speaker 1: to day through the ball. They had thirty nine rushes
Speaker 1: in the game twenty passes, twenty past attempts. So the
Speaker 1: big question, why couldn't Dallas stop Aaron Jones and and
Speaker 1: dealing cleats? Well, by the way, there is a conversation
Speaker 1: we need to have about cleats, but we'll get to
Speaker 1: that in a moment. Why couldn't they stop to run? They?
Speaker 1: They they they're really struggling right now with their um.
Speaker 1: Dan's trying to do some things differently with He probably
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like he could play toe to toe with
Speaker 1: anybody right now and be okay, use as a run defense.
Speaker 1: So what happens is he gets into some slant fronts.
Speaker 1: And when you get to slant fronts, you know, you're
Speaker 1: taking a gamble, you're risking. You're saying, Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 1: slant it to what we think is the strength of
Speaker 1: the you know, and and Isaiah Standbeck said it, I
Speaker 1: thought pretty well in the show before Us. Whereas if
Speaker 1: you declare strength to the tight end and you slant
Speaker 1: the front towards the tight end and then the ball
Speaker 1: goes the other way, you're slanting away from that, and
Speaker 1: now you're leaving yourself in a situation where you're outnumbered um,
Speaker 1: they weren't particularly good. Again at the point of attack,
Speaker 1: when I talk about guys getting blocked one on one,
Speaker 1: Micah wasn't particularly good. And you know, folks, listen, I'm
Speaker 1: Mike is a great player. He doesn't get hold every play.
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons on times on some of the runs will
Speaker 1: try and hero ball it and go backdoor. And you
Speaker 1: can't play run back door. You've got to play run
Speaker 1: front door. And I mean front door is as the
Speaker 1: ball is coming towards you. You cannot try and go
Speaker 1: behind the blocker and then go get the ball. The
Speaker 1: backs won't allow you to do that. Now, maybe if
Speaker 1: you're playing against Indiana or Northwestern or people like that
Speaker 1: in the Big Ten, tied from the Lions, we chase down.
Speaker 1: You're not chasing that. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Though,
Speaker 1: there's there's some scheme issues that they're really struggling with
Speaker 1: right now. And I mentioned about the touchdown run where
Speaker 1: you run a twist front and I mean cross the
Speaker 1: ends and the tackles, and you're trying to kind of
Speaker 1: confuse blocking schemes. But if you don't get the twist
Speaker 1: to the side of the of the play and then
Speaker 1: it turns into Bohannah's wide, Fouler's wide. Now you have
Speaker 1: this gaping hole which which Jones was able to run in,
Speaker 1: and then they got the touchdown where he spends backwards
Speaker 1: and dives in the end zone. You know, there's there's
Speaker 1: times where two where you're in a situation where your
Speaker 1: ends get hooked, your linebacker gets suck. They're doing a
Speaker 1: great job. Teams are of getting their center up on
Speaker 1: a linebacker, their guards up on a linebacker. They're getting
Speaker 1: cracks from tight ends. You know, they're not winning near enough.
Speaker 1: Mercedes Lewis, he's a big, big body tight end. He's
Speaker 1: cracking down. You're not getting off that block. You're not
Speaker 1: getting somebody over the top. You're having that soft corner.
Speaker 1: We've talked about that a bunch. Kelvin Joseph was much
Speaker 1: better trying to be a forced corner yesterday doing what
Speaker 1: we've seen from Brown or even Diggs. You could go
Speaker 1: back and watch they all twenty two and watch Diggs retreat, retreat, retreat,
Speaker 1: to stay wide and then the ball go inside of him.
Speaker 1: You know, you have to be willing to step up
Speaker 1: and kind of force the run, and they're just not
Speaker 1: getting that nearly enough, but the slant front's hurting them.
Speaker 1: The fact that they don't get off blocks, and the
Speaker 1: fact that they're not playing the scheme right is far
Speaker 1: What Dan's calling leads to a team getting over two
Speaker 1: hundred yards Russian on you. Yeah, I mean this team
Speaker 1: is I mean they gotta They're gonna have at the
Speaker 1: end of the year, probably five guys with five or
Speaker 1: six sacks. I mean, that's a lot. But the problem
Speaker 1: is is they're built to have sacks. They're not built
Speaker 1: to stop the run, right. I mean, what did Dorian's
Speaker 1: Armstrong do yesterday? Half a tackle? I mean, Fowler had
Speaker 1: a face mask, bastard, I don't think did a whole
Speaker 1: lot did nothing? I don't. I mean what did I mean?
Speaker 1: Sam Williams made a sack, but I mean like in
Speaker 1: him and Parsons both they rushed the passer, but like
Speaker 1: to Brian's point, they don't like I think teams are
Speaker 1: gonna look at these guys and go, Okay, well he's
Speaker 1: not very big, so we're gonna have to run at them.
Speaker 1: And then if you keep running at them and it's
Speaker 1: third and three, then you prevent Michael from being Michael.
Speaker 1: It neutralizes him. Yeah, the fact that again he wasn't
Speaker 1: great playing the run yesterday either. A little of a
Speaker 1: frustrating game. But to Nick's point, basham armstrong. These guys
Speaker 1: are not built to sit there and play toe to toast.
Speaker 1: I mean, so they have to move in order to
Speaker 1: but they can't get off the field because what happens
Speaker 1: teams are like, listen, you're just too light. You're too
Speaker 1: light up there. And if you're gonna you know, but
Speaker 1: if you're gonna scheme and then try and slant, like
Speaker 1: I said, slant it, but play it incorrectly, well we'll
Speaker 1: take that chance. You know, we'll take a chance that
Speaker 1: you're gonna Okay, fine, you're gonna slant to the strength,
Speaker 1: we'll run the ball the other way. You're gonna you know,
Speaker 1: you think now you're gonna play it back to the
Speaker 1: weak side, Well we'll run it back to the strong
Speaker 1: side because we've got numbers over there. So yeah, they've
Speaker 1: they've got they've got some issues. Uh. You know, teams
Speaker 1: are saying a little bit too that they play so
Speaker 1: much nickel. You know, they they're a lighter, they play
Speaker 1: a light front. I mean, not with numbers. They were
Speaker 1: committed to stop in the run yesterday at eight eight
Speaker 1: in the box. At times they just couldn't stop the run.
Speaker 1: You know. The packers are like, fine, you're you can
Speaker 1: put as many bodies as you want down there, But
Speaker 1: if you're not, if the eighth body is nearer the
Speaker 1: box is a digs, he's not gonna help you down there.
Speaker 1: You know, Brown, He's not gonna help you down there.
Speaker 1: So that's an issue right out for them. That's a big,
Speaker 1: big issue that they they've got to I don't think
Speaker 1: there's any magical thing that's gonna you know, with Tank,
Speaker 1: the way that Tank plays, I mean, Tank has a
Speaker 1: feel for how to not let not get hooked. He's
Speaker 1: got to feel for how to cross face a block
Speaker 1: and get to the outside or stay there, or knife
Speaker 1: down inside and go tackle the ball from the backside.
Speaker 1: You don't have anybody else that's playing like that. Now,
Speaker 1: Tank's not perfect all the time, because there's times where
Speaker 1: he will gamble inside and then the ball will go
Speaker 1: to the edge and now he's trapped trying to fight
Speaker 1: a block. But they they've they've got a lot of
Speaker 1: guys that are trying to play hero ball and run
Speaker 1: defense and it ain't gonna work. That ain't gonna work.
Speaker 1: You and I were talking a lot during the game,
Speaker 1: from really from the beginning of the game on. It
Speaker 1: looks like there's a game where Michael's gonna be playing
Speaker 1: linebacker and you had a problem with that. What were
Speaker 1: your thoughts on him being at linebacker versus defensive and
Speaker 1: where he's been pretty much most of his career. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I have a problem with it. But but it sounds
Speaker 1: like teams know what's going on to you can't. That's
Speaker 1: not just the fix just to put him at defensive end,
Speaker 1: because it doesn't mean they're gonna throw it that it
Speaker 1: is just gonna run the other way. So it's a
Speaker 1: it's a cat and mouse game because he's playing middle
Speaker 1: not middle linebacker. He's playing linebacker, and he's able to
Speaker 1: get involved with with the action and you hope that
Speaker 1: you make the tackles and it's third and long and
Speaker 1: then you can move them around. But if you just
Speaker 1: put him an end, like they'll they'll figure that out too,
Speaker 1: and they'll run to the other side or run run
Speaker 1: the other side. That seems to be okay because I
Speaker 1: trust more than any other defensive end on this team.
Speaker 1: I trust DeMarcus Lawrence to be able to to to
Speaker 1: basically capture the edge. Yeah, Like that's one guy I
Speaker 1: trust to be able to do that consistently. I don't
Speaker 1: know if there's another one that I trust, not see
Speaker 1: enough to play defensive end. Yeah, that's why Mica or
Speaker 1: you would have played the defensive end in college and
Speaker 1: he would have been drafted as an end. Where he
Speaker 1: is is he's a linebacker that has the ability to
Speaker 1: move on third and ten, third and eleven, what are
Speaker 1: you gonna do? Run it? Cool, run it and we'll
Speaker 1: probably stop you. But he rushes and that's a huge problem.
Speaker 1: But he are getting it. They're not getting in third
Speaker 1: and long. So once you guys are telling me, is
Speaker 1: there's no solution for this this season, not right now,
Speaker 1: not right man. The solution is if I don't think Dan,
Speaker 1: like I said, wants to play anybody straight up. I
Speaker 1: think he's worried about that. Uh. To me, it's it's
Speaker 1: tough because now you could play a guy like Gholston,
Speaker 1: you know, at one end instead of see That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying to me, He's he's a poor man's he's
Speaker 1: a poor man's Uh. Tank to me because he does
Speaker 1: not let you get to the outside. You know, he's
Speaker 1: gonna play off blocks. He's gonna play strong at the
Speaker 1: point of attack. That's the thing. Bar also might help
Speaker 1: more with with that as well as a Bar because
Speaker 1: I've heard you talk about Bar being in more of
Speaker 1: a pass rusher. That's obviously what he did in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: Is he a guy though, that can play that edge
Speaker 1: in that way to where he's stout enough to be
Speaker 1: able to maintain the edge, He's He's man, It's a
Speaker 1: little fifty fifty for me. I'm just saying for me.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to speak for an anybody at this table.
Speaker 1: You know, because I've seen him. I've seen him get hooked.
Speaker 1: I've seen him get trapped inside. You know, they have
Speaker 1: guys that overrun plays too. They have guys like Micah
Speaker 1: and Laton, and those guys will be flying to get
Speaker 1: to the ball and the ball cuts back and then
Speaker 1: it's you know, now they got blockers on those guys
Speaker 1: and it's a it's a four and five yard game.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they you know, bash them, Armstrong, Fouler, those guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's some issues up there playing the
Speaker 1: run because of the fact that they just can't. They
Speaker 1: don't hold up well enough. You know, if they get
Speaker 1: off blocks, yeah, that's fine, but they don't always get
Speaker 1: off blocks. That's that's the biggest issue. That's the thing
Speaker 1: I keep trying to figure out in my head because
Speaker 1: it seems so simple, but yet it's not. And when
Speaker 1: you watch the games, I mean, all I can think
Speaker 1: of is these linebackers needing help. But then you don't
Speaker 1: have people to give them the kind of help they need.
Speaker 1: And at times, I mean, you should know what's coming,
Speaker 1: but sometimes I just feel like they get lost, as
Speaker 1: if every time or when they're gonna run the opposing
Speaker 1: team is gonna run the ball, they don't really know
Speaker 1: how to track the ball or where to go. Like
Speaker 1: they're always kind of fit. Yeah, and it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: you know it's coming, especially when they keep doing it
Speaker 1: at you so and I keep trying to think, how
Speaker 1: can you position these lines backer linebackers better and what
Speaker 1: kind of help can you bring them? And I don't
Speaker 1: have I don't have really an answer other than what
Speaker 1: starts up front with the defensive line. Yeah, they they
Speaker 1: were in some situations where you know, with Bohannah see
Speaker 1: everybody's talking about, well, why have Bohannah and why have Hankins.
Speaker 1: It's not the inside part of the running game. It's
Speaker 1: not that's not the problem. That's not the problem. It's
Speaker 1: teams have figured out that they can work the ball
Speaker 1: to the edge. Do you saw how many times Derek
Speaker 1: brought it up the first place? Again, they throw sideways. Basically,
Speaker 1: they're just tossing the ball to Jones. Go run to
Speaker 1: the edge, Go run to the edge. You know, they're
Speaker 1: trying to get it to the outside because you know,
Speaker 1: dealing with Hankins and dealing with Bohanna and guys like that,
Speaker 1: that's not easy. Those guys don't always get moved. You know,
Speaker 1: even you know Gallimore don't always get moved inside. It's
Speaker 1: what happens on the perimeter to you at the end
Speaker 1: and at the linebacker spot that really really hurts you. Now,
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna take our final break. We're gonna
Speaker 1: come back. There were some moments in this game, some
Speaker 1: situations in this games. I need to we need to
Speaker 1: talk about some different things that happen that we want
Speaker 1: to get some clarity on. Well that when we come back.
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Speaker 1: want to talk about this situation late in the game.
Speaker 1: This was an overtime Cowboys have We've talked about the
Speaker 1: third and three and then the fourth and three. Cowboys
Speaker 1: decided to go for it there on the fourth and three.
Speaker 1: There's been some talk of people's sucking, second guessing the
Speaker 1: coaching coaching on that as to whether they should do
Speaker 1: that or give it a shot there at fifty three
Speaker 1: yards from the field goal. What were your thoughts? Wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna make it? Yeah, you guys were at the game.
Speaker 1: I just felt like anything going that direction kicking was
Speaker 1: not gonna be good. Okay, there's an invisible slip down there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just look it looked like kickoffs. Yeah, on a T kickoffs,
Speaker 1: it goes to the goal line when it's typically eight
Speaker 1: nine yards back. So that's probably a ten yard difference
Speaker 1: right there. On a tea. This is on regular grass
Speaker 1: ten yards and you don't even have to imagine it.
Speaker 1: All I have to do is look at the one
Speaker 1: Mason Crossby had and that was the last ever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't go that way. And you say before
Speaker 1: the game, you made a good point. You say it
Speaker 1: before the game, he was booming its like no problem,
Speaker 1: which I said. I talked about it, you know, up
Speaker 1: in the press box and I said, I think I
Speaker 1: would have taken the wind, but in overtime and overtime
Speaker 1: and just take the win, and they get the ball
Speaker 1: to start it, and you gotta stop him. You gotta
Speaker 1: stop him from from scoring a touchdown. And they hadn't
Speaker 1: done it yet, so it was risky. It was risky.
Speaker 1: But if you could stop them and they have to
Speaker 1: pun into that and then next thing you know, you're
Speaker 1: in fifteen twenty yards from kicking a field going winning it,
Speaker 1: so that if they lose, will be talking to the
Speaker 1: coach that doesn't deferge or start the game because he
Speaker 1: wants to take the ball and go out and make
Speaker 1: a statement. He's not doing that, like you're not. You're
Speaker 1: not taking the wind, and you're not you're not doing
Speaker 1: that by the way they have to change overtime rules.
Speaker 1: It is ridiculous. Overtime rules are absolutely a joke, and
Speaker 1: they gotta they gotta say, it's almost like playing soccer
Speaker 1: for ninety minutes and then going to it de penalty kicks.
Speaker 1: It's a different game. It's a completely different condensed ten minutes.
Speaker 1: The point you're making it just for the benefit of
Speaker 1: those out there. Basically, you got different rules right now
Speaker 1: in the regular seasons versus the post. True, that's stupid
Speaker 1: and another's you know, and I hope Stephen wasn't on
Speaker 1: that voted for that, But I mean, I think it's stupid.
Speaker 1: I mean, to change a rule for the playoffs and
Speaker 1: for the regular season, go go go find out in
Speaker 1: week seventeen, a week eighteen, how many playoff games are
Speaker 1: actually happening. And then you know, worth the end and
Speaker 1: tie all that kind of stuff, which that would have
Speaker 1: been the worst. I mean, I think I would have
Speaker 1: felt worse with the tie. Yeah, but the point is
Speaker 1: both teams would get the ball. Yeah, and it's just
Speaker 1: a different it's reponsive touchdown. Yeah, I don't know, they
Speaker 1: played fifteen minutes and didn't score. I mean, I just
Speaker 1: I think it's a different I just don't like the
Speaker 1: way the game is. But it feels like they have
Speaker 1: to change the way the game is played. But college rules,
Speaker 1: to be quite honest with you, when when college changed
Speaker 1: to their format where I sat there for seven overtimes
Speaker 1: at A and M and L. Now, the more I've
Speaker 1: watched it, the more I kind of like it. And
Speaker 1: I like it maybe more than the way the NFL
Speaker 1: does it because there is some intrigue to it, and
Speaker 1: it always is based upon you get a shot. I
Speaker 1: get a shot, and let's just battle it out until
Speaker 1: somebody falls, you know, And I kind of like that.
Speaker 1: You know what, It'll be changed, though they'll have to
Speaker 1: do something. It will not the NFL has to change,
Speaker 1: but it definitely changes fantasy football if you did that.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying no doubt, I'm not saying the
Speaker 1: Competition Committee worries about that, but they do worry about ratings.
Speaker 1: I mean, and there's your red zone channel. Yeah, fantasy
Speaker 1: football is that would try everything ratings. Yeah, but they
Speaker 1: think you could change the rules on your overtime points
Speaker 1: and whatever it is. Yeah, all right, let's move on
Speaker 1: to the next thing I want to talk about. Did
Speaker 1: you think they should kick it. No, no, I just
Speaker 1: I was thinking about it about every I thought everybody
Speaker 1: said it. I'm sorry, No, no, I'm I'm totally okay
Speaker 1: with I could say I my play call would have
Speaker 1: been in that hindsight, I just saw it. But when
Speaker 1: I saw it afterwards, I said, that play didn't give
Speaker 1: you a chance to get the first down. That's that
Speaker 1: bothers me is that the one Tyler Smith's got beat
Speaker 1: pretty bad. Him and both both the left guard and
Speaker 1: left tackle both got beat on that play. I wasn't
Speaker 1: good overtime for Connor. Nope. And can we know this
Speaker 1: is stupid and I think people would also get annoyed
Speaker 1: by this. But if you're going back to the penalties,
Speaker 1: if you're doing that, let's have you know overtime already.
Speaker 1: Shouldn't there be like why don't they come down to
Speaker 1: one person's decision? Like shouldn't it be able to some
Speaker 1: kind of review happen here? I know this is a
Speaker 1: little ridiculous, but when you I mean it's it decides
Speaker 1: the game. Ultimately, you changed the game by these decisions.
Speaker 1: And when you hear even with what happened with Jalen Toilber,
Speaker 1: when you hear him saying I checked with the official
Speaker 1: and she didn't. He didn't, he didn't. No, No, he
Speaker 1: was lined up. I mean literally, I'm in the studio
Speaker 1: was wondering that. I'm I'm yelling, yeah, I'm like back up,
Speaker 1: back up, back up, and I'm yelling in Zack's like
Speaker 1: what he goes he's off sides, he's off and then
Speaker 1: he looks back and they got him for motion because
Speaker 1: he's turning around looking at the official trying to talk.
Speaker 1: He did scoop back, but the ball was snapped. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: that's what they call five. You know. The interesting part
Speaker 1: was they actually called something different than the signal they
Speaker 1: did this. But say to me, he was moving when
Speaker 1: the ball was snapped and it was a legal procedure.
Speaker 1: That's what I thought. But he immediately And the only
Speaker 1: reason I noticed is because the black line to scrimmat,
Speaker 1: they have a line like glind to gain and then
Speaker 1: where the ball is on the there's a black line
Speaker 1: on TV. He is past the black line. I'm going
Speaker 1: he's off sides. You know, not that it, you know,
Speaker 1: but you just look at the way he was aligned
Speaker 1: and he never and I'm thinking he was going to
Speaker 1: adjust back. He never did. He just stood there and
Speaker 1: I'm like, he had this. This is why people ask, well,
Speaker 1: why doesn't Jalen Tilber play ken? We you go, can
Speaker 1: we get James Washington in the game? I mean, Siah,
Speaker 1: can we get James Washington like on the field to
Speaker 1: least start because right now, I mean he's doing just
Speaker 1: a little bit less. Well, you know, names we got
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving coming up, and we have to work out the
Speaker 1: schedule of his return, and we got to be careful
Speaker 1: put him out there. This is ridiculous. He's been ready
Speaker 1: for four weeks. He's got he's got just as many
Speaker 1: catches as Jalen Tilbert does. And the special team stuff though,
Speaker 1: that's a bones fossil that just yeah, you know, you're
Speaker 1: not wrong, you're not wrong. But but what happens is
Speaker 1: bones walk Yeah, Bones walks down there and says, oh,
Speaker 1: this is what we need to do and all that. Honestly,
Speaker 1: that's the greatest game I've ever seen anybody play on
Speaker 1: special teams. Gifford, Yeah, he had a game less five
Speaker 1: tack games. Yeah, I mean that's the fourth. I mean,
Speaker 1: you could rank fourth on the defense with five tackles.
Speaker 1: He did it all on Special teams. Plus he recovered
Speaker 1: a fumble which basically landed in his lap and he
Speaker 1: was there for that on that forced fumble with with
Speaker 1: good and I mean seriously, he could have been an
Speaker 1: NFC Special Teams Player of the Week if they win
Speaker 1: that game. Yeah, and he still could have. I guess,
Speaker 1: but man, I don't think I've ever seen five titles
Speaker 1: in a game. How much do you guys think that that? Uh?
Speaker 1: I guess. The slipping that was happening last night, you
Speaker 1: had Duran Duran Bland. He slipped there, and in a
Speaker 1: situation where he was in coverage, you had Turp and
Speaker 1: seem like he was slipping all nights. Seemed like he
Speaker 1: was just on skates throughout the night. But the interesting
Speaker 1: part was coach talked about it all last week. They
Speaker 1: were they were making sure that the players knew you
Speaker 1: gotta check out. I told you, I saw this white board,
Speaker 1: big white boar written at the game, make sure you
Speaker 1: test your cleats on the field. This was all pre game,
Speaker 1: So there's no reason why there should be a cleats talk.
Speaker 1: This is absolutely why, or one of the reasons why
Speaker 1: you should have had a bit of an advantage going
Speaker 1: into that game last night because you had a coach who,
Speaker 1: because of experience, could tell you things that maybe you
Speaker 1: wouldn't get from another coach. They hadn't coached there for
Speaker 1: as many years as he had, and it sounds like
Speaker 1: he was coaching his team the right way. For whatever reason,
Speaker 1: it still ended up being a problem. How much of
Speaker 1: a problem was I mean, it was a couple of
Speaker 1: times definitely happened. And Here's what I don't know, because
Speaker 1: I don't watch a lot of their games. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you do have the right cleats, but
Speaker 1: does that necessarily mean that you you you never slip.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I mean, I again, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't I don't think if you have
Speaker 1: everyone wears these these thick, you know, long cleats that
Speaker 1: nobody ever slips and falls. I mean it's really ironic though,
Speaker 1: the way, I mean, Theron Bland comes in the game
Speaker 1: and that's basically how they win the game because he
Speaker 1: falls and Lezard finally caught a pass, and you know,
Speaker 1: that's it. That's the think he had changed this also,
Speaker 1: I mean to that point, because I was wondering the
Speaker 1: same thing, I'm like, hmm, I wonder, does my son
Speaker 1: slip more when he has the slip on socks. Not really,
Speaker 1: he slips less. But when you watch the Green Bay
Speaker 1: Packers the way they were playing, like you didn't see
Speaker 1: that happen. I don't, I don't remember, I don't recall.
Speaker 1: That's important that it happened to the Cowboys. So that's
Speaker 1: where he kind of leads you to wonder, Okay, what
Speaker 1: what the heck was the problem here? Because you know
Speaker 1: how to shoose shoes were a problem. They didn't. I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: some players do list, but some players are so comfortable
Speaker 1: with their gear, like for a hundred years, for one
Speaker 1: hundred years, Jason Witton would never change his helmet, you know,
Speaker 1: he never. I mean some players that they play in
Speaker 1: shoes and they're comfortable with their shoes, and they're like,
Speaker 1: I'll be fine with these shoes. They think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be fine until they're out there on a third down
Speaker 1: critical play and they go sliding around and then there's
Speaker 1: a big catch. It ends the game. You know, that's
Speaker 1: that's you know, sometimes you just get so wrapped in
Speaker 1: like I'll be fine, I'll be fine, And I have
Speaker 1: a film They had a couple of guys that said,
Speaker 1: I'll be fine and probably just think when it comes
Speaker 1: to equipment and our part of the equipment, it shouldn't
Speaker 1: be up to the player, it should be up to
Speaker 1: the team. Well, but I do think I do think
Speaker 1: part of that has to be kind of to Brian's point,
Speaker 1: what the player feels comfortable in, because you still want
Speaker 1: them to feel comfortable enough to be able to maneuver
Speaker 1: and do the things that they do and not be
Speaker 1: self conscious about the equipment. Right. So, and there are
Speaker 1: different guys. You see it all the time. Different guys
Speaker 1: wear different sized pads, different sized you know, kneepads and
Speaker 1: all this stuff, like it's all about how their bodies feel.
Speaker 1: So I do think you want to have that be
Speaker 1: still a part of it. But I get your point.
Speaker 1: The coach made it clear, guys has something to be
Speaker 1: aware of, and that's what you do as a coach.
Speaker 1: Be aware, be aware, be aware. That was my experience.
Speaker 1: Whatever reason, some were not as aware and it may
Speaker 1: have cost them. Yeah, all right, appreciate you guys. Jones.
Speaker 1: We'll be back tomorrow. We're gonna figure out a little
Speaker 1: bit of a big picture on what's happening here. Now
Speaker 1: Cowboys fall to third in the division, and now you
Speaker 1: start wondering about what's happening with the wildcard spots because
Speaker 1: some of these teams that maybe you kind of thought
Speaker 1: would be dead are now creeping back into this thing.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that tomorrow. Till then, for Nick Eatman,
Speaker 1: Brian brought us Amber Garcia. I'm Derek Eagleton. This is
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