1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. We all about 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl Drama Girl, all about them 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: high school queens. 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 2: We'll take you for a ride, and our comic girl 5 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 2: sharing for the right teen drama Queens, Jaylie's My Girl 6 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 2: Girl Fashion, which your tough girl? You could sit with us. 7 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, John the 8 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: Queens Drama Queens. 9 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 3: Who wants to do it? Who's jumping in the pool first? 10 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 2: And we had a lot to talk about in this up. 11 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 4: Be sure do Welcome back everyone. 12 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: Hi, friends, Hey, Hi, All right, So we're on season nine, 13 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 2: episode six, Catastrophe and the Cure, which aired February fifteenth, 14 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 2: twenty twelve. Okay, here's the synopsis. Dan enlists Julian, Well rather, 15 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 2: Julian asks to help out with Dan's search for Nathan Mouth, 16 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 2: also assisting Dan Phil's clay in about Nathan. As Haley 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 2: explains Nathan's disappearance to Janie, Brooke gets an idea of 18 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 2: how to bring patrons to an empty Karen's cafe, creating 19 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 2: quite a kerfuffle, and Chris Keller confronts Chase about data 20 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 2: and several puns were missed in this episode, We'll get 21 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 2: to them. 22 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 3: And it was directed by are very dear, very mister 23 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 3: James Lafferty and written by Roger Grant. This synopsis is 24 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 3: funny because it's each line is like one scene in 25 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 3: the episode. Yeah, I guess Julian and Dan is technically 26 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 3: two scenes. Mouth with Clay is one scene. Haley explaining 27 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 3: to I mean a lot more happens. Zampus like this 28 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 3: kind of covers it. But as we were reading, I'm 29 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 3: going like, this is eight scenes. 30 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 31 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 4: It feels like a very surface description, like someone at 32 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 4: who was in a rush and was like I don't. 33 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 5: Know this this yeah, and then skip skip Okay, Dan 34 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 5: and Julian skip. 35 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, they're There's just so much. There's so much 36 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 2: so happening in this episode. There's just a lot to cover. 37 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 2: I actually have never I don't think I've watched an 38 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 2: episode of our show where I was like, how are 39 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: we going to get through all of this in an hour? 40 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 3: Yeah? 41 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 2: Did you guys have the same reaction or were you 42 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 2: not as worried? 43 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 4: I guess I wasn't as worried. There were things I 44 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 4: really liked about the episode. I think what's hard for me, 45 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 4: and look, I think everyone's doing a really beautiful job 46 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:37,119 Speaker 4: with the crisis, but it just like, we get into 47 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 4: this room, I mean, let's get into it. We get 48 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 4: into this room and it feels it almost feels like 49 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 4: a camp version of itself. Yeah, and I'm like really like, 50 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 4: even thank god they wrote that line, you know, Roger 51 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 4: Grant wrote a line for James to say where he's 52 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 4: like over a basketball player. Because this really feels silly. 53 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 2: It's just so silly. 54 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 3: This feels like Dan Scott going for a heart transplant 55 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 3: in Mexico, but just the craziest dialed down like two 56 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 3: or three notches. 57 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 4: But then it's also not two scenes. It's the universe 58 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 4: we're going to live in for most of the season. 59 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 4: And it's I feel so conflicted because the device is 60 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 4: so great for everyone involved, even the misdirect joy with 61 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 4: you and I like Brooke running to Haley's to be like, I. 62 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 2: Know why you're mad at me, I'm so sorry, and. 63 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 4: Then learning what happened, It's like it's giving us the 64 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 4: moment of comedic relief we need. It's giving everybody shock 65 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 4: and fear and watching everyone the Quinn Haley stuff, the 66 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 4: Clay finding out with mouth like seeing Dan show up, 67 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 4: seeing Julian kind of get right sided by Oh, I 68 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 4: should not be so self indulgent. There are real scary 69 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 4: problems that happen to people like I love the device 70 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,119 Speaker 4: of it, and then you've got these guys quoting Shakespeare 71 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 4: in a basement, and I'm like, this is so dumb. 72 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 3: So both it's the dumbest. I agree with you. The 73 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 3: device is great for the show and for the storytelling. Yeah, 74 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 3: once we have to live in the world of the 75 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 3: device itself. It is so camp. It's like the fact that, yeah, 76 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 3: they're quoting I wish. 77 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 2: It's overwritten, only because he has to fill up time. 78 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 3: Here's my question. These Eastern European gangsters were hired by 79 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 3: some Eastern European gangster kingpin who, by the way, dumbest 80 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 3: line of the episode is when Nathan goes, this is 81 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 3: insane over baseball basketball But that's insane, and the guy goes, no, No, 82 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 3: insane is crossing a man who pays his players in 83 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 3: cash from a suitcase chain to his wrist. Okay, that's 84 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 3: not a flex man, that's just that's the boss. Never 85 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 3: has the thing handcuffed to his risk, right, No, no, okay, 86 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 3: So here's my question. 87 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 4: Though that's literal evidence in public, it would never happen. 88 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 3: Never, it's okay, So that's bad. But there is a transgression. 89 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 3: This kingpin gets word that some American agent is sniffing 90 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 3: around one of his best players. This is all happening 91 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 3: in the cuts of Eastern Europe. Here's my issue. Why 92 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 3: doesn't he kidnap Nathan In's home turf? Because here's what 93 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 3: I get curious is that he goes, you know, what's 94 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 3: a better idea. I'm gonna buy plane tickets for three 95 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 3: for sure convicts with the criminal record from this area. 96 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 3: I'm gonna have them just wing it in a town 97 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 3: they've never been to, finding a warehouse, kidnapping a guy 98 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 3: getting a getaway vehicle without licenses. I just don't understand 99 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 3: why the kidnapping didn't happen in Eastern Europe. 100 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 2: No one does. And there was no warning. There was 101 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 2: no like, hey, heads up, get out, not the player, 102 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 2: This ain't the player. You want? You better, you better bounce, 103 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 2: or something bad's gonna happen to you. None of that. 104 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 2: He's just all of a sudden and back home in 105 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 2: tree Hill, where it's so small, everybody could find him eventually. 106 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like, what these four guys were on his 107 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 4: flight and just followed him outside. 108 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 2: How did they know where to go? 109 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 4: And then to your point, Rob, it's like it jumps 110 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 4: the shark in a way because what it assumes in 111 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 4: that level of camp is like, oh, every member of 112 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 4: organized crime just shoots people all day, every day, totally NBD. 113 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 4: Murder is a big deal. Whether you are like an 114 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 4: above board citizen or a criminal, it's a really big 115 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 4: fucking deal. 116 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 2: And the idea that they're like, yeah, we're just. 117 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 4: Gonna follow you home and shoot you as soon as 118 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 4: our phone rings, not even by the way getting the order. 119 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 4: When the cell phone rings, you gotta die. It's like 120 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 4: it makes no sense. 121 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 2: I never did you hear at any other point in 122 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 2: the episode anyone say when the phone rings, he dies, Like, 123 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 2: so at least we were sitting there waiting the whole 124 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 2: time with bait of breath, like I hope the phone 125 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 2: doesn't ring. I hope the phone doesn't ring. No, it 126 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 2: just suddenly rings like any other normal phone, and we're like, okay, 127 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 2: who is it whatever, And then suddenly it's like, oh 128 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 2: the phone rang, It's time to die, But then the 129 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: guy doesn't shoot him, okay. So he's the one that's 130 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: standing there going like I've got two wives and a 131 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 2: million children, six kids, right, and he's like, I'm ready 132 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 2: to shoot you, okay, okay, big man. But then comes 133 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 2: in the other guy, who legitimately was a lot scarier 134 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 2: to me than the other guy. But he was so 135 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: realistic and scary that I didn't understand why he was 136 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: just standing there threatening, like the phone is ringing, it's 137 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 2: time to kill him. That guy would have walked in 138 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: the room and just shot forehead immediately. I didn't understand 139 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 2: why they didn't have, like, okay, he can be sitting 140 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 2: there having an argument with the guy and then with 141 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: the Shakespeare guy and then say no, that's it, and 142 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 2: then go to reach for his gun. Shakespeare turns around, 143 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 2: shoots him in front of everybody, and then turns around 144 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 2: to Nathan and says, we talked about it. I'm going 145 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 2: to ransom you instead. Like its way better then it 146 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: would have been action. It would have been exciting, so 147 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: many things would have been happening, but this weird, like 148 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 2: I'm just standing here threatening to kill you, and second now. 149 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 4: And by the way, to your point, there's no person 150 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 4: who's going to risk a murder charge without warning, and 151 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 4: like just to close that loop. It would have been 152 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 4: so easy. When Clay says he told me he was 153 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 4: going to off the beaten path, he didn't like any 154 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 4: of these players to mouth to be like it made 155 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 4: me nervous. And the next time I texted him, he said, yeah, 156 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 4: it didn't go well, they're not thrilled. I'm here. Yeah, 157 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 4: but I found someone promising anything to suggest maybe they 158 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 4: did threaten him, and he was like buzz off. 159 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 2: Which I don't know why Nathan would have done. But 160 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 2: it also could have been a mistake, like maybe they 161 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 2: left a message with Clay, but Clay has all this 162 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 2: other drama going on his life. He forgot and didn't 163 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 2: relay the message. 164 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 3: They don't have a receptionist because they're an upstart, so 165 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 3: it's on his voicemail at the. 166 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 2: Office, that's right, And so now it's Clay's fault that 167 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 2: Nathan is missing, like at least rope Clay in a 168 00:08:58,720 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 2: little bit. 169 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 3: So the quite possibly the weirdest flex in the history 170 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 3: of One Tree Hill is Nathan going, hey, come on, guys, 171 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 3: I have a wife in kids, And then with the 172 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 3: emotional maturity of a six year old that he's clearly 173 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 3: the worst bad guy because he has facial hair. And 174 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 3: this is the cw oh goes, So what I have 175 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 3: two wives and six kids. I'm like, what kind of 176 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 3: pissing match did we just walk into? Between? What? That 177 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 3: was odd? But here's what they should have done. In 178 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 3: my opinion, everyone's American and what we find out is 179 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 3: the Eastern European kingpin. He just hired a couple guys 180 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 3: on the ground who have no emotional investment and are 181 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 3: just cold. 182 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 2: Yes yeah, like like our park drug dealer would have 183 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 2: been fine to bring him would have been why not? 184 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 2: Why not? Okay? 185 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 3: But the idea that he he like, if you just 186 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 3: think of if you walk through the logistics that this 187 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 3: kingpin was like, no no, no, no, no no, send in 188 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 3: someone to find out his itinerary and then Jake and 189 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 3: fly to America, get your driver's license, stake out a 190 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 3: warehouse like it's just crazy town crazy. 191 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 4: But by the way, this is part of it. You 192 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 4: got to think through these things a little better. Because 193 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 4: they want it to happen in tree Hill because they 194 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 4: want to say he came home and no one knows 195 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 4: what happened, so we can think maybe it was Dan, 196 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 4: And as we all know, getting to the end of 197 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 4: the season, we want to give Dan Scott his night 198 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 4: and Shining Armor moment. So it has to happen on 199 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 4: the ground so people can hop in the car and 200 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 4: do the thing and we can know why. In the 201 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 4: flash forward, Chris Keller said to Dan, Chris Keller doesn't 202 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 4: like this. So to your point, Rob, just hire some 203 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 4: dudes that are on the eastern seaboard of America. 204 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 2: Dudes, they could have been New Yorkers. They could have 205 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 2: had a bronx accent like they're from the Sopranos. Drove Down, 206 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 2: They drove down. Yep, not that hard. 207 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 3: Okay. 208 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 2: Also, who is the guy in the coma and this 209 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 2: woman that lets these two strangers into her home when 210 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 2: he flashes a DGA card with a busted up face, 211 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 2: and the mayor who's clearly famous intry like, who are 212 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 2: these people? 213 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 3: The fact that they go on a tour that I 214 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 3: agree with you joy this. I laughed out loud at 215 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 3: this part that she just goes, Hey, you know what, 216 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 3: it's nighttime. You're two grown men I've never met. 217 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 4: And one of you looks like you've been brutalone on in. 218 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 3: Yes, clearly fight club come into my house. That The 219 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 3: next scene we see is that they are unattended, which 220 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 3: that's what you would do in the room of a 221 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 3: man on life support. Yeah, Like, what is this woman? 222 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 3: And then the woman comes back like I thought I 223 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 3: recognized you, No urgency. 224 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 4: Here's your book. 225 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 2: She literally has his book in her house. He's that 226 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 2: famous intry Hill. Yeah, and he shows up at her doors. 227 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:49,359 Speaker 2: She hasn't recognize. 228 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 4: Him to your point of no urgency. Her next line is, 229 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 4: my husband was blackmailing you. If the guy husband was 230 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 4: blackmailing showed up at your house in the middle of 231 00:11:58,559 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 4: the night with a dodo who looks like you got 232 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 4: hit in the face with a crowbar, wouldn't you be 233 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 4: panicked even if you didn't know he. 234 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 2: Was the guy your husband was blackmailing. If you know 235 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 2: your husband is the type of person toil some two 236 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 2: bugs show up at your house. But who are they? 237 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 2: Do we know who they are? 238 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 3: Yes? Well, I mean it's explained in this episode, but 239 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 3: we haven't seen them prior. 240 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 4: Yes, So Dan is explaining to Julian when he is 241 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 4: obviously looking for some purpose and goes to see him 242 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 4: in the trailer that he's rented him. At the stages, 243 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 4: Dan is talking about how he's making a list of 244 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 4: all of his enemies and Rachel's on the list. And 245 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 4: back when he was with Rachel, he wrote a book 246 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 4: and he cheated the system and he got a guy 247 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 4: he was in prison with to buy him into being 248 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 4: a best seller on day one of publishing. And so 249 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 4: the guy that he was in prison with wanted interest. 250 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 4: And then when Dan got his he says to Julian 251 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 4: when he got his talk show, the guy wanted more 252 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 4: money because he threatened to out him for having lied 253 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 4: about his book, and so he kept having to pay guy. 254 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 4: And when the guy when the talk show got canceled, 255 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 4: the guy he was paying from prison was very unhappy 256 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 4: and maybe he had something to do with it. 257 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 2: But we never saw any of this in the season 258 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 2: with Rachel. 259 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 4: We never saw any of this. And by the way, 260 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 4: the craziest part of it is the guy was in 261 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 4: prison with Dan. How did the guy get out of prison? 262 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 4: How long has he been out of prison? Now he's 263 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 4: on life support. Like it's such, it's such thinly laid brick. 264 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 4: It doesn't it doesn't work. 265 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 2: I am a huge fan of murder mysteries. I read 266 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 2: them a lot. I have done since high school, and 267 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 2: one common theme in many not great murder mysteries is 268 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 2: when they don't give you all the information. The author 269 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 2: doesn't know how to give you all the information basically 270 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 2: ahead of time and tell you everything, you just don't 271 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 2: know how to put it together. The best ones are 272 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 2: made up of where you sit down and you have 273 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 2: all the puzzle pieces, you just can't quite figure out 274 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 2: how to put them together until the end. Yeah, this 275 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 2: storyline reminds me of that, where it's just like, oh, 276 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 2: by the way, this completely side character that I never 277 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 2: discussed and never alluded to, and never even told you 278 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 2: that your main character happened to live in another country 279 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 2: and met this person in their past, and they're telling 280 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 2: me on page two hundred and forty. I'm just like, 281 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 2: I never would have had a shot to figure this out. 282 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 2: Why are you wasting my time? 283 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 4: And to your point, when it's not central to the story, 284 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 4: whether you were taking notes, whether you were grabbing your 285 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 4: lunch out of the fridge, If you can miss the 286 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 4: lynchpin of the story in forty seven seconds, it's not 287 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 4: a good pint. 288 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 3: I'm going to push back on that one usual suspects. 289 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 3: We got ten seconds of Kevin Spacey's gate and his 290 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 3: walk changing at the end of the movie. To be fair, 291 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 3: that continues on. Though that continues. 292 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 2: Yes, there were clues. If you go back and watch 293 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 2: the movie again, you're like, oh, all the books were there, 294 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 2: Like the whole package of information was there. I just 295 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 2: couldn't put it all together because there was like one 296 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 2: piece missing, Like, okay, yeah, one big chunk is missing, 297 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 2: and that's what you have to find. Yeah, but when 298 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 2: there's like ten chunks missing, and suddenly at the end 299 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 2: of the authors or the writer or whatever is just going, oh, yeah, 300 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 2: well and I guess this happened, and maybe this and 301 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 2: they had the secret brother and they've got to sit 302 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 2: and you're just like, what. 303 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, strike what I said from the record. You're right. 304 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 3: So if I agree with you, I would argue though, 305 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 3: that the bigger problem I had with it. To me, 306 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 3: the bigger issue is, so this guy agrees to buy 307 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 3: ten thousand copies of Dan's book. Yeah, Dan becomes a 308 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 3: best seller. It's obviously successful enough to warrant him getting 309 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 3: a talk show. I don't think that man has any 310 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 3: sort of actual leverage because by that point, if he 311 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 3: goes all out you that I bought ten thousand books, 312 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 3: Who cares? I have a talk show? Dan could just go. 313 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 3: I guess he was a big fan like it to me. Also, 314 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 3: Dan is Dan? You think he's going to get pushed 315 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 3: around by that guy with that little piece of blackmail? 316 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 3: It's it's no but here here's why the scene actually, 317 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 3: though I love it, you ready, Okay, Dan is doing 318 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 3: too much. I am more convinced than ever that he 319 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 3: is behind this. And here's why, Sharks, I'm coming to 320 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 3: you to invest in my fan theory of Dan Scott 321 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 3: actually being the perpetrator of Nathan's kidnapping. And what I 322 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 3: have for you today is this, Why does he go 323 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 3: to Julian to rent a trailer for three He didn't 324 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 3: ask for a favor for free. For three thousand dollars 325 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 3: a month, you could have a really nice hotel room, 326 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 3: You could have a whole entire house on a hill 327 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 3: with no neighbors. It is odd that he goes to 328 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 3: someone so centrally involved in this core group of friends 329 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 3: to rent out a tiny trailer for a lot of money. 330 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 3: It's high visibility. And then he ropes well, Julian asks to, 331 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 3: but he allows Julian to become part of what I 332 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 3: think is an absolute fake witch hunt. He knows this 333 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 3: guy has nothing to do with it, This is just 334 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 3: a fool's errand demonstrating to Julian how hard he's working 335 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 3: to figuring. 336 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 2: This out and trying to gain trust in town. Yes, 337 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 2: people he's got now, he's got Quinn's trust, now he's 338 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 2: got mouthstrusted, now he's got Julian's trust. 339 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 3: Why did he need to go back to Haley and 340 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 3: be like, you can just talked to you. If he 341 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 3: was really just committed go away and do your Liam 342 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 3: Nissen and taken business, buy yourself quietly, and then just 343 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 3: come back with it done. Everything he was doing to 344 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 3: me felt a bit performative. 345 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 4: Interesting and to your point, this is three thousand dollars 346 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 4: a month for a trailer on a soundstage lot in 347 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 4: twenty twelve. Yeah, like three thousand dollars a month could 348 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 4: rent you a house in twenty twenty five. 349 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean. 350 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 4: Like, it strikes me for a guy who's lost everything, 351 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 4: who supposedly has not a dime left to his name, 352 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 4: needed to stay in his son and daughter in law's house. 353 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 4: Where's all this money coming from? 354 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 3: Well, he did say he has sixty five thousand dollars 355 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 3: in insurance money he got from burning his cape. 356 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 4: All right, he told the cop. 357 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 3: But here's the deal, okay, that, rather than spend three 358 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 3: thousand dollars on two legal pads and a crappy small trailer, 359 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 3: spend three thousand dollars on two private investigators in a 360 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 3: hotel room. Yep, it's fishy, gang, it's fishy. 361 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 2: I literally recorded this. This is Dan in the police station. 362 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 2: This line. 363 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 4: Is it what I think? 364 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 6: Oh? 365 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I did. 366 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 2: The dealers require almost bringing myself to death in the process, 367 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 2: just so we have an excuse to murder my own brother. 368 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 2: Full term in jail, get the least, get a third 369 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:03,959 Speaker 2: World heard transplant. 370 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 3: Then when a book it's from my own motivational talk shot, 371 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 3: give them my new found fortune. 372 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 2: I moved to a remote down it just like could 373 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 2: burnt down to cut the sixty five thousand. 374 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 3: Dollars instance policy, thank you with my son and moving 375 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 3: with his family. 376 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 2: Who gets me? 377 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 3: You got me? 378 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 4: It's so good, it's so good. 379 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 3: What is he defending in that? What I'm okay? So 380 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 3: I don't understand how that is relevant to Nathan's kidnapping 381 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 3: because he actually did all of those things correct. 382 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 2: We do. 383 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 4: But that's what's so interesting is Dan's What I wrote 384 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 4: down is the absurdity of Dan's story is actually his 385 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 4: best defense because when he lists it out loud, it 386 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 4: sounds insane, and so of course the cop is like, right, 387 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 4: that sounds insane, but we know it's true. And then 388 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 4: that he has the nerve to be like, what's it 389 00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 4: take to be a true a cop? Andry Hill these 390 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 4: days of pencil. He just emasculates this poor man in 391 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 4: such an intense way and then buttons the scene with 392 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 4: charge me or release me, and then we're done, and. 393 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 2: Then Haley's house and goes I would never hurt my family. 394 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 2: Dan is all over the place, yet it is calculated. 395 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 2: He is. 396 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 3: He is manic, and this episode specifically, he dialed his 397 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 3: bitchiness up to a twelve because he is just burning 398 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 3: people front, right and center. I mean, he rips on Julian. Granted, 399 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 3: though they have a really nice moment in the car 400 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 3: which I loved. That was a wonderful scene between Julian 401 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 3: and Dan after they go to visit the man on 402 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 3: life support and the wife, who clearly is hammered or 403 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 3: not all there. But he says to Mouth Mount, poor 404 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 3: poor Mouth. Let's just always. But first of all, Mouth 405 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 3: walks into the trailer. Yea, and his first line is Mouth, 406 00:20:58,160 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 3: is that you in there? 407 00:20:59,720 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 4: Yep? 408 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 3: Rude? And then as he's leaving, God bless him. All 409 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 3: he's trying to do is help out and be a 410 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 3: team player and get Nathan home, and all he's getting 411 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 3: is roasted because he's on the way out. He goes, hey, 412 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 3: is there anything else I can do to help out? 413 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 3: And Dan goes, yeah, go easy on the carbs. 414 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 2: I hated that. 415 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 4: Why so stupid? 416 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 3: Why it's so mean? It's such low hanging fruit. I 417 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 3: will say this though, to Clay's credit, he is like 418 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 3: the one of the few people didn't even acknowledge it. Yes, 419 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 3: way to go, Clay. You may be losing your mind, 420 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 3: but you are a decent man. 421 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 2: Speaking of Clay, why wasn't Clay also kidnapped? Don't you 422 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 2: guys run the agency together? 423 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 4: Because he didn't go to Europe Nathan went in his place. 424 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 3: If they were thorough, they should have kidnapped us both. 425 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 3: But yeah, then what if there's a secretary. They got 426 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 3: to kidnap her too, you know what I mean. 427 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 2: Then it just gets It's murders a little more complicated 428 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 2: to write off than a one guy in a warehouse, 429 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 2: I guess. 430 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of Mouth, I would be remiss if I 431 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 3: didn't draw attention to yet again. What is this the 432 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 3: fourth episode in a row where they are trying to 433 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 3: equate storylines that are in no universe near each other. 434 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 3: Mouth at Jerry has said, listen, you can't work on 435 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 3: this outwardly, but if you want to work on it 436 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 3: after hours, I'm not going to say anything to you. 437 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 3: So it's nighttime clearly, and Mouth is at his computer 438 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 3: working feverishly to try to find some clues. Right. First 439 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 3: of all, it's hilarious because Jerry walks in with an 440 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 3: entire large pizza and goes, I thought you might be hungry. 441 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, well incongruous. 442 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 3: Maybe there's only a couple of cicers left. I'm willing 443 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 3: to overlook that. But then there's a close up shot 444 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 3: of Mouth investigating on his computer, and he goes from 445 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 3: looking into his friend's disappearance who may be dead, everyone worried, 446 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 3: and then he looks over to the large pizza pizza 447 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 3: as if these are the two challenges I am facing 448 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 3: right now. 449 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 2: I love the stuff you notice, Rob, that's so good, 450 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 2: that's very well said. 451 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 3: Like we can't try to equate these things. 452 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 2: Nope, No, it's so silly. 453 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 3: One of your best friends has been kidnapped and might 454 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 3: be dead. But equally stressful is the large pizza city 455 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 3: sit those carbs. 456 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 4: It's so stupid. It's so stupid. And the weird thing 457 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 4: is it that whole situation starts. I think really well 458 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 4: for Jerry and Mouth. You see their history. He's like, 459 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 4: I'm so sorry, you know, because Mouth got that news 460 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 4: on the air and had to read it. He wasn't prepared. 461 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 4: Jerry feels terrible, And then we go back to is 462 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 4: it or isn't it a dig about his weight? Like 463 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 4: it just feels like nobody's thinking about how real people 464 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 4: with real relationships talk. 465 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,199 Speaker 2: To each other. That's the thing. Nobody's thinking about how real, like, 466 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,719 Speaker 2: how things would happen in real life. Even the slight 467 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 2: adjustments of like what we were talking about with the 468 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 2: scene where he was threatening to shoot Nathan, or with 469 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 2: the pizza scene, like Okay, mounts at the computer and 470 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, he just gets up, grabs the pizza, 471 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 2: shoves it in a garbage and then sits backs down. 472 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 2: Then you know, like, okay, the smell of it's been 473 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 2: in his face. He doesn't want to think about it. 474 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 2: He's getting it out of the way. He's focused on 475 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 2: his friend. Yes, like these tiny little adjustments that would 476 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 2: have just little things, Man made it easy. 477 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,959 Speaker 4: And what's weird to me is is there are great 478 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 4: scenes in this episode that do work, like Millie not 479 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 4: knowing what to do for her friends in this situation, 480 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 4: so just being with Brooke and being like, Okay, we 481 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 4: had to do this terrible story on the news. I'm 482 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 4: so sorry. I have an idea for how we can 483 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 4: fix it. I can work on it. Guess what I 484 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 4: tweeted it? So did I like they're in cahoots in 485 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 4: a really sweet way. I mentioned this earlier. I love 486 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 4: the misdirect for you and I thinking you're mad at 487 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 4: me and then being like, oh my god, and then 488 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 4: saying to Millie, I can't tell her about the cafe. 489 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 4: This is so stupid. But also it's really bad and 490 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 4: I have to fix it because I can't fix the 491 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 4: other thing. Like some of the things they gave to 492 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 4: some of us felt so human even and it's a 493 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 4: tiny scene, so it doesn't I'm not saying we have 494 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 4: to make a meal of things, but even Quinn's logic 495 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 4: with you about listen, I understand why you don't trust him, 496 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 4: but he's a good person to have in your corner 497 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 4: in a crisis. He knows people, and for her that's 498 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 4: a plus and for you that's a minus. Certain things 499 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 4: are really tracking, yeah, and then there's this stuff that 500 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 4: just doesn't. And I think in a way what doesn't 501 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 4: track is almost more irritating to us because we're like, no, no, 502 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 4: you did that really well, and you did this other 503 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 4: thing pretty well, and this scene was great, so why 504 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 4: Like it almost feels like they got halfway through a 505 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 4: and then didn't finish it. 506 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 2: It's like whack a mole, Like, I just don't understand 507 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 2: what's happening. Rob, How are you feeling about the Clay stuff? 508 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 3: I okay, Well, first off, before we even go there, 509 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 3: I want to say I've realized that I think Quinn 510 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 3: was criminally underdeveloped, having seen how good Chantell is as 511 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 3: this character, and now three seasons end, seeing how she 512 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 3: for the most part solely exists to be there for 513 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 3: other people. She's helping Clay with his mess, She's helping Haley, 514 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 3: like she's just there to like support and react. And 515 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 3: I just found myself as episode going, oh we dropped 516 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 3: the ball not giving her her own storyline that she's 517 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,239 Speaker 3: the center of and other people orbit around, because to 518 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 3: that it's sort of like becoming a purse, you know, 519 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 3: like the love interest on a show where it's like 520 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 3: you're year around but you don't really have your own identity. 521 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 3: And just this episode realized, Oh, I really wish Quinn 522 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 3: had more of her own identity because she's so damn 523 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 3: good in the role, and I just I want I 524 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 3: would love to see more, is all. Yeah, the quid 525 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 3: of it is getting better for me, largely just because 526 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 3: of Logan. Yeah. He Pierce is so freaking cute and 527 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 3: I had so much fun shooting with him. He was hilarious. 528 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 3: So we budied up, and then it became quickly apparent 529 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 3: that he listened to absolutely no one but me, So 530 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 3: our our onset producers would tell the director just go 531 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 3: through Buckley like, and so he would. If you would 532 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,360 Speaker 3: start to get a little wild, then you know, the 533 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 3: director came over and be like, hey, maybe you could 534 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,439 Speaker 3: you ask him to do, you know, give a little something, 535 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 3: and it was so cute. He was sort of like 536 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 3: my little my little sidekick, my little minion. 537 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 4: He's like, Oh, this. 538 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 3: Is so great. And what's cool about this episode is 539 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 3: when I found out they were going to have actual 540 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 3: comics in a scene, I said, Hey, is it Can 541 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 3: I pick the comics? And I said yeah. So the 542 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 3: comic you see was actually illustrated by a buddy of mine, 543 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 3: Jim Lee, who was absolutely icon in the comic world. 544 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 3: He's now, I think like creative chief officer of like 545 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 3: a DC or something. He's huge now. But it was 546 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 3: so cool. I got to be like, hey, buddy, I'm 547 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 3: gonna easter egg your work. It's like it's his most 548 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 3: famous like Uncanny X Men. So it was a very 549 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 3: cool thing when I watched the scene and going like, oh, yeah, 550 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 3: this was great. And then in real life, Sean Tell 551 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 3: and I took Pierce to his first comic shop ever 552 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 3: and bought him his first comics and it was such 553 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 3: So that was a really fun time. And I just 554 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 3: find the storyline infinitely more interesting than me wandering off 555 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 3: and screaming at Quinn. I was a little confused by 556 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 3: the timeline of So I was I was mentally present 557 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 3: when I decided I was going to leave. Yeah, I 558 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 3: packed my bag, m I said goodbye to Logan. But 559 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 3: then did I immediately enter the fugue state on the walkout? 560 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 2: Okay, it seems like with the suitcase when the suitcase dropped. 561 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 2: I don't know what do you think. 562 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 4: As a viewer, what it felt like to me was, 563 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 4: you weren't yourself in the scene with Logan at the door, 564 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 4: and then when we watch you talking to the doctor 565 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 4: about it and Quinn is with you and you don't 566 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 4: remember being outside, you obviously you're completely gone when she 567 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 4: finds you. And I loved getting to see that for you, guys, 568 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 4: because we got to see inside the moment for you, 569 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 4: and we got to see her realize that you really 570 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 4: are gone, that this a fugue state really means nobody's home. 571 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 4: And it was a short moment, but I thought really impactful, 572 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 4: and what it gave me was, Oh, the stress of 573 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 4: knowing about Nathan made him say, I got a pack, 574 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 4: I gotta go, I gotta go help, And it was 575 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 4: already causing that dissociative episode. To start, and Logan catches 576 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 4: you at the beginning of it, and you can't really 577 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 4: communicate with him, and then by the time you're in 578 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 4: the street, you're like gone. I felt like I was 579 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 4: watching you fade out rather than like it just happens 580 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 4: in an instant, And I really liked that. So if 581 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 4: that wasn't a conscious choice, I think you communicated something 582 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 4: really beautifully in the sort of transitions between those scenes, 583 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 4: for sure. 584 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 3: I like that explanation. Let's go with that. I was 585 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 3: just confused because if clay Is has the wherewithal to realize, no, 586 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 3: I need to go look for my friend and there's urgency, 587 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 3: why doesn't he call Quinn or a taxi. 588 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 589 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 3: The fact that he's like, I'm going to leave on 590 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 3: foot and just walk is odd to me. But I 591 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 3: like what you're saying, though, because if that is the case, 592 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 3: then common sense not prevailing. Yeah, okay, Yeah. 593 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 4: It feels like if you think about what it is 594 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 4: to panic, to be in your room and panicked and 595 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 4: to be packing, I think by the time you get 596 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 4: those bags shut, you're already halfway out of your brain. 597 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,959 Speaker 3: I know where the logan thing is heading, but I 598 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 3: don't remember how long it takes us to get there. 599 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 4: So I'm I know me too, I don't remember you there. 600 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 3: I'm very eager. How about the Chris Keller Chase and 601 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 3: Tara of it all? He had one of the best 602 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 3: lines Chris Keller. That is where when he shows up 603 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 3: after Chase and Tara have had, of course another marathon 604 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 3: love making session. We know because they say you should 605 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 3: burn the sheets, No, you should bronze the sheets. Yeah, 606 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 3: he shows up, she's in the shower, and of course 607 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 3: Chase wants to get rid of him, and Chris Keller says, 608 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 3: bail honor or take me with you. Dudes look so 609 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 3: much better. I love that self awareness from Chris Keller. 610 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great. Great. Meanwhile, in that scene he sits 611 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 2: on Chase's bed with his boots on. Yeah, his boots 612 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 2: on the sheets of the bed. 613 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 3: He deserves to be cheated on, but also to. 614 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 4: Sit in the sheets you know, your friend. Just that's awesome. 615 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 3: I didn't even think of that. 616 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 2: Come on the thing. 617 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 4: He just doesn't care. It also really makes me laugh 618 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 4: because the awkwardness of Chase being like, oh my god, 619 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 4: what do I do? And the nervousness is an audience 620 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 4: member because I found myself not wanting him to get caught, 621 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 4: but also really wanting him to get caught. Yeah, And 622 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 4: I was like, if you get caught, you're not going 623 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 4: to be able to apologize for being such an ass man. 624 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 2: Like what are you doing? 625 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 4: And the whole thing was just so good and it 626 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 4: was funny to me that the way that Chase figures 627 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 4: out how to save himself is to try to be 628 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 4: like Chris Keller. She doesn't know me, she's lucky. I 629 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 4: let her stay, let's bail, She'll figure out how to 630 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 4: get out of here. 631 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 2: Like, yeah, he's just throwing the. 632 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 4: Douchiest things a man could say about a woman in 633 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 4: rapid succession trying to get this man out of his bed. 634 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 3: Yep, this brings up an interesting topic here. Okay, bed sheets, Okay, 635 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 3: would you go into your friend's bed totally? 636 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 2: Yeah? In what context? 637 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just wondering where the lion is right, Like, 638 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 3: at what point? Because if you don't know how often 639 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 3: someone washes their sheets, like is there and where does 640 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 3: the ick factor come in in terms of going into 641 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 3: someone's bed. I mean, I. 642 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,239 Speaker 2: Don't know, it wouldn't bother me. I'm like, you know, 643 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 2: we're hanging out watching a movie and we just start 644 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 2: and we crash. Like, I don't it doesn't doesn't happen 645 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 2: a lot, but I could be. I could see myself 646 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 2: at a girlfriend's house and having that happen. 647 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I don't know. 648 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 2: No, it doesn't really throw me. 649 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 4: I wouldn't get into an acquaintance's bed, No, that's a 650 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 4: hard line. But any of my closest friends, and I 651 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 4: mean also, we're all old enough. I think we know 652 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 4: each other's cleanliness habits. Like all of the yess are 653 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 4: as OCD as me, So I'm not worried about it. 654 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 4: But you know, there's also weird things like Okay, let's 655 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 4: say we all were out on a tour like we 656 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 4: did a few years ago with the show right. 657 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like if we were all. 658 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 4: In the same hotel and Rob we all came to 659 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 4: your room to watch a movie. I wouldn't get into 660 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 4: your hotel bed, but I would sit on your hotel 661 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 4: bed for sure. 662 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 2: You know. 663 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 4: But it's like that's also an interesting thing is to realize, Yeah, 664 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 4: getting into someone's bed like under their covers got to 665 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 4: be one of your best bet best friends. 666 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 3: You know what it is forr because I agree with you. 667 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 3: Let's let's say the line is acquaintance then, because for me, 668 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 3: it's like, you know, sometimes it's just like I don't 669 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 3: want it. If someone's gross, I almost just don't want 670 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 3: to know about it. And I feel like it's much 671 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 3: easier for dudes to be like, I wash my bed sheets, 672 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,720 Speaker 3: what's once a month? What's the big deal? I would 673 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 3: rather just not know. So this is what I'm saying, Like, 674 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 3: I think I would just not do the bed because 675 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 3: I don't want to get close to your sheets and go. 676 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 4: Oh yeah these like if there's crumbs in your bed, 677 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 4: it's going to be hard for me to unsee that. 678 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,760 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, because I'm I I like very clean, tidy 679 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 3: ship and I just wouldn't want to find out that 680 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 3: my friend is some closet case grossy. 681 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,760 Speaker 2: No, no, thanks for taking that detail, boundaries. 682 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I thought you were going to 683 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 4: say when you asked that question. I thought you were 684 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 4: going to be like, are you a top sheet or 685 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,720 Speaker 4: a comforter only person? That's where I thought you were old. 686 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 3: Let's go there too, Well, what are you in my 687 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 3: current sleeping situation? I am a comforter only whoa. 688 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,840 Speaker 2: I'm totally top sheet. I need a top sheet. 689 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 3: So your top sheet and comforter. 690 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 2: Yes, me too. 691 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,399 Speaker 3: I think that's normal. By the way, I'm just I'm 692 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 3: going through a season, guys. I'm embracing it. It's different. 693 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 4: Give it a shot. Also, it's summer. You could have 694 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:20,320 Speaker 4: a great like Linen Blend, you know, super soft comforter 695 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 4: and just want to feel that on your skin. 696 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 3: I don't know that was the impetus was. I was 697 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 3: just getting a bit too hot at nighttime and it 698 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 3: was waking me up, and I thought, maybe we streamline 699 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 3: the operation. 700 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 4: Okay, not to be my grandmother, but have you ever 701 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 4: switched to a summer weight comforter in the summer? 702 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 2: No game changer? 703 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,959 Speaker 4: Game changer and you're in the Pacific Northwest, you really 704 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 4: get some climate shifts and seasons. A summer week comforter 705 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 4: will change your life. It's like that to me, is 706 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 4: ljury like a light quilt, well waffled quilt, perhaps. 707 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:57,800 Speaker 2: A little wawful. 708 00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,799 Speaker 4: Yeah, I bet you people at home are like, how 709 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 4: the did we go from kidnapping to put Like? What 710 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 4: is wrong with you? 711 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 3: Guys? And speaking of jarring segues, how about the resolution 712 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 3: to the fight between Chris and wait before. 713 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 2: We go there, hold on, hold on, because we have 714 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 2: to talk about the resolution, the revelation. We Brooke and 715 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 2: Chris in the capa and I forgot you guys. I 716 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 2: didn't know it was me. 717 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 4: I was surprised by my own scene. 718 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 2: Sophia, you were so great and Tyler. Tyler is like, 719 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 2: he's you know. I was just talking before we started 720 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 2: about how I'm helping out with the school play, and 721 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 2: it's amazing how some of the kids walk in and 722 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 2: they don't have any experience. Like there's one kid that 723 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 2: walked in and he's a football player and just was like, 724 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 2: I don't know. They told me there were auditions and 725 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 2: somebody told me I should come try out. So he 726 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 2: starts reading and we're all just like, oh my god, 727 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're amazing. Wait what this is so surprising. 728 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 2: And I feel like the fact that Tyler doesn't have 729 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 2: a ton of acting experience at this point and he's 730 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,839 Speaker 2: other than our and a couple of movies, but he's 731 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,800 Speaker 2: not like he still considers himself to be primarily a musician, 732 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 2: that he could come in and have the ability to 733 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 2: walk through every single one of the emotional experiences he 734 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 2: had in that the span of those eight seconds, and 735 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 2: we felt it all and it was realistic and not 736 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 2: over the top, and oh, it just made me love 737 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 2: Tyler even more. 738 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 4: It was such a fun scene and it was funny 739 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:33,359 Speaker 4: because I didn't see it coming. When he walks up 740 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,439 Speaker 4: and I decide to, you know, give him his lunch 741 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 4: for free. I know exactly what's happening, and you know, 742 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 4: you can kind of. I remember making the choice, like 743 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 4: I have to. I have to choke this down, you know, 744 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 4: like a like a really grassy smoothie, just like this 745 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 4: is disgusting. Well, like I gotta do it because Brooke 746 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,439 Speaker 4: can't stand Chris Keller. So that I was like, God, 747 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 4: I remember. 748 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 2: The look you give him in the cafe over your shoulder. 749 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,879 Speaker 4: I laughed at my self when Millie and I are 750 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 4: talking and I go that tera and just raise my 751 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 4: voice so I both can hear me. 752 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 2: And then you realize, I. 753 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 4: Literally don't know. 754 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 2: You don't know, Like I don't know. 755 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 4: I'm I'm throwing that at Steven and Tyler thinks I'm 756 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 4: throwing that at him, and then he gets up to 757 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 4: the thing and the humor of Brooke and Chris's high 758 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:30,359 Speaker 4: school interaction is playing. So the oopsie of her revealing 759 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 4: a thing that she didn't know was a secret. I 760 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 4: just went, oh god, oh god, oh god, it was me. 761 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 2: It was me. And it's the introduction of Chris's first 762 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 2: storyline of his own. Yes, all the times that he's 763 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,440 Speaker 2: been on the show, he's serving others, he's interfering really 764 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:49,760 Speaker 2: with other people's storylines. 765 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's like a little chaos goblin. 766 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 2: Yes, this is the first time. It was like that 767 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 2: moment right there turned Chris Keller from a side character 768 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 2: into a main character. He's got his own storyline right 769 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 2: now that he has to deal with. That's great. 770 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 3: And he crushed it, crushed. 771 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 2: It, and then he takes him outside to. 772 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 4: Kick it side, kicking him in the I don't even 773 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 4: know the upper thigh. No, he kicks him in like this. 774 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,759 Speaker 4: It's like this, it's like kicking him in this part 775 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,840 Speaker 4: of the shoulder. But the leg he he like comes around. 776 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 4: It's like he's trying to do a round house, but 777 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 4: his jeans are too tight and he just gets him 778 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 4: with his steel toe in like the meaty part of 779 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 4: the upper thigh. 780 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,800 Speaker 3: And it is hands guitar doesn't want to hurt his guitar. 781 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 3: Pant I would have punched you, but I didn't want 782 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,839 Speaker 3: to hurt my guitar hands. But consider yourself punched. 783 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:45,400 Speaker 2: Punched, and Chase says, I deserve whatever whatever that was. 784 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 4: It's so funny to watch them and and to have 785 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 4: the confrontation be in front of everyone. And I forgot that. 786 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 4: When Tara gets called out, I pop up like a 787 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 4: little gopher over her shoulder because finally there's some vindication 788 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 4: for us, and you're not there to see it, but 789 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 4: I'm gonna get her. And then they go outside and 790 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,480 Speaker 4: you think they're going to have this knockdown, drag out 791 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,279 Speaker 4: and they both just feel terrible, and I love that 792 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,920 Speaker 4: the immediate resolution is, well, we're going to stay friends 793 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 4: and she's out. It's great. 794 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. It also felt like very quintessential guys of just 795 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 3: how fast they can move on and then be like, oh, 796 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 3: look a different shiny thing. Let's go investigate together, you know. 797 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 3: And they're at a strip club, Ben the beef has 798 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:36,720 Speaker 3: been squashed. 799 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, and Chase is paying I bumped on this on there. 800 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 2: It is so very stereotypical machismo, like it feels like, okay, 801 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 2: when the women on our show have found out that 802 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,280 Speaker 2: they're interested in the same guy, let alone or slept 803 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,200 Speaker 2: the same guy. Their lives are destroyed, their friendship is 804 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 2: marred for it takes months or sometimes seasons to get over. 805 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,839 Speaker 2: And then we've got this where these guys clearly just 806 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,839 Speaker 2: see her as an object that's totally replaceable, I mean, 807 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,919 Speaker 2: and then to feel better about themselves they go find 808 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 2: a place where they can objectify more women. The whole 809 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,719 Speaker 2: thing was just like, Okay, so men are growth destroying 810 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:22,640 Speaker 2: your life over and women are just totally replaceable and objects. 811 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, men are the center of your universe and women 812 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,800 Speaker 4: are essentially lego bricks. Cool. 813 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,800 Speaker 3: Yes, And the one thing I would say in defense 814 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 3: of this is that I don't think this is the 815 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,520 Speaker 3: way I took it. This wasn't a generalization of how 816 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,920 Speaker 3: men view women. This was a Maya kulpa from Chase 817 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 3: to Chris Keller, and that is how Chris Keller, that 818 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 3: is his attention span and what works. So to me, 819 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,480 Speaker 3: it was just emblematic of how what Chris wanted and 820 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,879 Speaker 3: what Chris needed. And Chase was like, great, I will 821 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,680 Speaker 3: fund it. Let's go because I owe. 822 00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,120 Speaker 4: You, because you know what Nathan and Clay would never 823 00:42:59,160 --> 00:42:59,440 Speaker 4: do that. 824 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great point. That's a great point. 825 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,239 Speaker 4: I do think that matters. I agree with you also, Joy. 826 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 4: I think because we have the context of our whole show, 827 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,439 Speaker 4: and you know, the people who ran it that were 828 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,880 Speaker 4: like really, But what I what I will say is 829 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,839 Speaker 4: because Steven and Tyler are both so charming, they d 830 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,480 Speaker 4: it the thing in a way that I think a 831 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 4: lot of other actors wouldn't have been able to, and 832 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:30,720 Speaker 4: they managed to keep it light somehow. But it's really 833 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,279 Speaker 4: interesting that you say that. I won't go into like 834 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,880 Speaker 4: too much detail because I would blow up someone's spot. 835 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:41,560 Speaker 2: But many No. But it's like it's a story. 836 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 4: You know, we tell not for the public. But one 837 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 4: of my best friends did sleep with a guy I 838 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:53,280 Speaker 4: was dating many years ago, and when we figured out 839 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 4: the sort of central nature of his communication, shall I say, 840 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:03,560 Speaker 4: with her, we both were like, oh that guy, and 841 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:08,600 Speaker 4: we were solid. It never affected our friendship. And I 842 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 4: think the root of it is the honesty, Like, how 843 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,960 Speaker 4: do you communicate when you discover something, how quickly do 844 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:16,880 Speaker 4: you communicate it? 845 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 2: Oh, it's totally possible. It's just yeah, we're so used 846 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,279 Speaker 2: to seeing on our show in particular that I was like, oh, 847 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:23,240 Speaker 2: here we go again. 848 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,839 Speaker 4: Well, and what I will say is the reason I'm 849 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 4: sharing it is what we never saw on our show 850 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,799 Speaker 4: was this scenario between any of the girls who were like, 851 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,759 Speaker 4: oh my god, I know this thing now and I 852 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,520 Speaker 4: need to tell you yeah, and then the girls could 853 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,920 Speaker 4: be okay. The writers really leaned into women will betray 854 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,880 Speaker 4: each other to win a man, and that makes it 855 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,960 Speaker 4: feel itchy, you know, like the whole Peyton, Brooke and 856 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,880 Speaker 4: Lucas love triangle was such a mess because they lied 857 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,880 Speaker 4: about it for so long. Yeah, you know, And I 858 00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,560 Speaker 4: think that's part of maybe why we the bump on 859 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,360 Speaker 4: it is we're like, oh. 860 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,960 Speaker 2: Well, it was all throughout the show. Nanny Carrey was 861 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,319 Speaker 2: obsessed with Nathan. He had the obsession of Emmanuel is 862 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,480 Speaker 2: asked with Jape, Yeah, with Jake, and there is just 863 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:16,000 Speaker 2: a renee with Nathan. There's a continual pattern of women 864 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,319 Speaker 2: being obsessed over men and destroying their. 865 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,360 Speaker 4: Lives, almost like there was a man in charge of 866 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,160 Speaker 4: our show who wanted women to be obsessed with him. 867 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,160 Speaker 2: It's almost like almost almost like that. 868 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,520 Speaker 3: Also, this kind of goes back to what I was saying. 869 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 3: They had two central characters that they got to blank 870 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,799 Speaker 3: slate starting in season seven. That's right, Yeah, and what 871 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:45,280 Speaker 3: ended up happening, Clay got tons of storyline, and Quinn's 872 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,719 Speaker 3: storyline was largely just being in Clay's orbit and reacting 873 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,720 Speaker 3: and supporting well. 874 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,439 Speaker 4: And by the way, Clay's storyline included a woman who 875 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,160 Speaker 4: was so obsessed with him she tried to murder his girlfriend. 876 00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and another woman who's so obsessed with him that, 877 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,560 Speaker 2: in spite of the fact that it's super unhealthy for 878 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:07,279 Speaker 2: her to be in this relationship, she's still like, I mean, 879 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,759 Speaker 2: you know, we love Quinn. I love Quinn and Clay, 880 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,799 Speaker 2: but yeah, we've talked about these moments that we've seen 881 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,600 Speaker 2: where you're just like, ooh, like, yeah, give him a 882 00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,080 Speaker 2: day does he have to have? But it's oh, sorry, 883 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,080 Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, it's just chan Tell's credit. 884 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,160 Speaker 2: Really just going back a little bit to what you 885 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,360 Speaker 2: were saying before, Rob, that that she still manages to 886 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,080 Speaker 2: be so great and so convincing in this part that's 887 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:33,160 Speaker 2: largely underwritten and you can really tell, particularly because after 888 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,600 Speaker 2: she left our show, she has gone on to work 889 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:41,920 Speaker 2: NonStop stop in spectacular roles on spectacular shows. Because her 890 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:43,960 Speaker 2: her talent is undeniable. 891 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:44,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. 892 00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,920 Speaker 4: Well, And one of the things that's interesting to me 893 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:52,480 Speaker 4: about it is I wonder why it was something that 894 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,239 Speaker 4: felt like, how do I want to phrase this? I 895 00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,280 Speaker 4: wonder why it was something that happened with her characters 896 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,319 Speaker 4: so specific sort of toward the end of eight and 897 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,160 Speaker 4: through nine. And we've talked about it with yours too, 898 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,520 Speaker 4: that there have been seasons where Haley is basically helping 899 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,000 Speaker 4: everyone else keep it together. And I don't know if 900 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:19,960 Speaker 4: because there was almost a sort of like purity component 901 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,960 Speaker 4: in like the James family, that you guys both wound 902 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,279 Speaker 4: up having to play that role at some point or 903 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,160 Speaker 4: another in the show. You know, I'm curious about that 904 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,120 Speaker 4: if they were tracking that. I'm curious also if because 905 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,279 Speaker 4: we did get a lot of feedback right that, like 906 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,760 Speaker 4: the characters on our show all had the most insane success. 907 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,320 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, who's a rock star. 908 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,320 Speaker 4: A record label owner of a fashion designer, an NBA 909 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,239 Speaker 4: player all from the same a best selling author, Like 910 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,560 Speaker 4: it's so crazy. And I wonder if the writers kind 911 00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,640 Speaker 4: of felt like they shot themselves in the foot making 912 00:47:55,760 --> 00:48:00,160 Speaker 4: Quinn a photographer, like a big deal magazine photographer, and 913 00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,239 Speaker 4: then it was like you've done it again, Yeah, And 914 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,040 Speaker 4: how does she do that job in this small town? 915 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:08,960 Speaker 4: And then they kind of boxed her in in a way. 916 00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:10,959 Speaker 4: I wonder if it's a little of that. 917 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,799 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I don't know, yeah, because also, if to 918 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,640 Speaker 5: be a successful photographer, that would be her on location 919 00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,480 Speaker 5: at different places all the time, So it would be 920 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,360 Speaker 5: a storyline that would be constantly taking her from a 921 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:22,960 Speaker 5: production side. 922 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,160 Speaker 3: That would be more because every time it's a new location. 923 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,400 Speaker 3: And also it wouldn't be interwoven with the characters as 924 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,959 Speaker 3: much because she wouldn't she wouldn't be around, and it's a. 925 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,960 Speaker 4: Hard it's a hard profession for viewers around the world 926 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,920 Speaker 4: to relate to, you know. Yeah, So I don't know, 927 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,680 Speaker 4: I wonder if that. I wonder if that's kind of 928 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,200 Speaker 4: why she got a little boxed in. And then because 929 00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,920 Speaker 4: you guys established such good on screen chemistry, it was like, oh, 930 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,560 Speaker 4: watching the way she feels about what's happening to Clay 931 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,719 Speaker 4: is so interesting that they weren't paying attention to the 932 00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,640 Speaker 4: fact that they weren't giving her anything else to do 933 00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:58,640 Speaker 4: but worry about Clay. 934 00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 3: Going back to what you're just saying, though, I mean, 935 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,400 Speaker 3: are there many relatable character professions on the show. 936 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,200 Speaker 4: Well, no, but that's it. 937 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,719 Speaker 3: Oh okay, thought I thought you're saying that there were 938 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,600 Speaker 3: quite a few relatables that she was one of the 939 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,960 Speaker 3: ones that wasn't say we kind of all had extraordinary jobs. 940 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, at least at this point, we're running 941 00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,319 Speaker 4: a cafe, like that's pretty normal. 942 00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,319 Speaker 2: Now, familiar, hosting a morning show, twan is off in 943 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:28,680 Speaker 2: Hollywood giving people lessons on stunt or sports training. Yeah, 944 00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:33,360 Speaker 2: everybody's got some extraordinary jobs. Yeah, strange. 945 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,560 Speaker 3: Two quick small things I liked. I loved the opening 946 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,879 Speaker 3: with Mouth and Melly, and I think thee's first line 947 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:45,359 Speaker 3: is something the effect of like, now that we've heard 948 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,800 Speaker 3: from a man who collects records in his parents' basement, 949 00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,000 Speaker 3: let's see what else is going on in local news. 950 00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,360 Speaker 3: That's a perfect line. And then I also loved the 951 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:59,120 Speaker 3: exchange when Dan first gets to Julian's studio and he's like, okay, 952 00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,640 Speaker 3: three thousand dollars month and Julian laughs, He's like I 953 00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,399 Speaker 3: have zero customers and he's like, i'll pay you two 954 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,280 Speaker 3: thousand dollars a month. Yeah, and then Julian says something 955 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:08,839 Speaker 3: like I want to hang out it's something and. 956 00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,480 Speaker 2: There he asks him, what do you what do you 957 00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:11,440 Speaker 2: need all that for? Y? 958 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he goes, I'll pay you three thousand dollars 959 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,000 Speaker 3: a month to not ask me those questions. 960 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,480 Speaker 4: It was so great, Like they're seen in the car. 961 00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,879 Speaker 2: I really liked they're seeing in the car. Yes, there 962 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,640 Speaker 2: was kind of nobody else that could have said those 963 00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,239 Speaker 2: things to Julian. And yeah, it's again that thing in 964 00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,480 Speaker 2: the Seesaw with Dan where we love, we hate, we love, 965 00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:30,000 Speaker 2: we hate. 966 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:34,080 Speaker 4: It's like sometimes he's just the perfect mentor even though 967 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,319 Speaker 4: he's also the worst example of a human and it's 968 00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,839 Speaker 4: very confusing, but I enjoy the moments and I think 969 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:45,880 Speaker 4: I I liked the whole episode for Julian in particular 970 00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,880 Speaker 4: after our conversation last week when we were talking about, 971 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,120 Speaker 4: you know, why would you risk yourself when you have 972 00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,960 Speaker 4: a family at home, and then also what is it 973 00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,279 Speaker 4: like to be in such emotional turmoil and trauma that 974 00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:02,760 Speaker 4: you're essentially you know, emotionally cutting or getting physically punched 975 00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,160 Speaker 4: in the face. And we did the back and forth 976 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,719 Speaker 4: the three of us, and then I loved that that 977 00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,680 Speaker 4: was Brooke and Julian's argument at the top of the episode, 978 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,479 Speaker 4: you know, like, you need to come back, I need 979 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,359 Speaker 4: a co parent, get your together, and he's like, all 980 00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:21,120 Speaker 4: I'm doing is thinking about my family. And you see, 981 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,799 Speaker 4: you see that they're both suffering, and they're both they 982 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,320 Speaker 4: both have the absolute right to feel the way that 983 00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,120 Speaker 4: they're feeling. And I was like, God, we really were 984 00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,920 Speaker 4: tapped into something trying to figure it out last week, 985 00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,799 Speaker 4: and it felt kind of cool to see that. And 986 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,800 Speaker 4: last week's conversation really just made me feel for both 987 00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,040 Speaker 4: characters in this position. It's cool. 988 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,200 Speaker 2: Oh boy, I don't know what's gonna happen next. We've 989 00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,560 Speaker 2: got Nathan's bought himself a little bit more time. 990 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,200 Speaker 4: We've never given a razzie on this show. We always 991 00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:55,600 Speaker 4: do our honorable mention. 992 00:51:58,440 --> 00:51:59,160 Speaker 2: The time. 993 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:05,680 Speaker 4: Really, I have to say that the gangster saying I 994 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:11,080 Speaker 4: learned English from Shakespeare, it gets that gets my ras. 995 00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:16,160 Speaker 4: Sorry writers, but I was like, okay, enough enough. 996 00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't need a backstory, we don't need. 997 00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,600 Speaker 4: We don't need a Shakespearean shooter. Were good. 998 00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,960 Speaker 3: No, they did the most when it would have been 999 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,040 Speaker 3: so much more impactful if they had done the least. 1000 00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:34,560 Speaker 4: Yes, Yeah, that part, well done. Honorable mention to that 1001 00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,120 Speaker 4: observation Robert. 1002 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:53,640 Speaker 6: Buckley Jenna asks which character who left the show but 1003 00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,080 Speaker 6: didn't die do you wish would have come back in 1004 00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,560 Speaker 6: the final season and how would you have liked them 1005 00:52:58,600 --> 00:52:59,759 Speaker 6: worked into the storyline. 1006 00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,400 Speaker 3: This is a tough one for me to answer, because 1007 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,600 Speaker 3: I don't really know the show. The only one I 1008 00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:10,240 Speaker 3: know is Q because I love Robbie as a human being, 1009 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,840 Speaker 3: and I do remember watching his arc on the show, 1010 00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:14,799 Speaker 3: but he died, so I guess I don't really have 1011 00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:15,840 Speaker 3: an answer for this one. 1012 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,200 Speaker 4: Yeahd Greenberg is a great answer. Joy. I was going 1013 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,360 Speaker 4: to say, well, obviously, it would have been really special 1014 00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,000 Speaker 4: to have Peyton and Lucas come back. 1015 00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:24,640 Speaker 2: It's weird. 1016 00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:29,160 Speaker 4: It's so weird to wrap up a series without them. 1017 00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,760 Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, and Barbara and I did Moier 1018 00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:33,960 Speaker 2: come back? I can't remember. 1019 00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:34,840 Speaker 4: I don't remember. 1020 00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:35,520 Speaker 3: I don't think so. 1021 00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,719 Speaker 4: But wait, wait, wait, isn't there there is a there 1022 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,920 Speaker 4: is a scene or a series of scenes in this 1023 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:46,280 Speaker 4: episode right between Chad and Chantelle. I mean, not this episode, sorry, 1024 00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:46,840 Speaker 4: this season? 1025 00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:48,600 Speaker 2: Doesn't he come back? 1026 00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,239 Speaker 3: He does because he used There was a time trade 1027 00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,600 Speaker 3: where I was I had left for something and he 1028 00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,319 Speaker 3: came back for a couple of days of shooting and 1029 00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,560 Speaker 3: he used my trailers and when I came back there 1030 00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,160 Speaker 3: was Christmas lights hung up in the trailer and a 1031 00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,000 Speaker 3: note that was like, thought you might like these. I 1032 00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,120 Speaker 3: was like, who the hell did this? And it was Chad. 1033 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,759 Speaker 4: Oh my god, that is so funny, how bizarre. 1034 00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:09,439 Speaker 2: I do not remember this. 1035 00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,719 Speaker 4: But what makes me sad about it is I wish 1036 00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:17,080 Speaker 4: they had come back in a better way. And you know, 1037 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,759 Speaker 4: given the fact that he who shan't be named, who 1038 00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,319 Speaker 4: was in charge of our show, was such a ding 1039 00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,080 Speaker 4: dong to women like it also makes me sad that 1040 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,040 Speaker 4: we didn't get them back together. 1041 00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:30,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1042 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,360 Speaker 2: I know, it's true. You have to enjoy. 1043 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,640 Speaker 4: You have to read what our producer just said. 1044 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:36,879 Speaker 2: Come on, it's so good. 1045 00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,600 Speaker 3: We're all laughing because of something in the chat said, Joy, 1046 00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,160 Speaker 3: why don't you please illuminate? 1047 00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,080 Speaker 2: The producer says, Chad does come back for one episode, 1048 00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:54,240 Speaker 2: and then the next text messages it scenes with you, Joy. 1049 00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,080 Speaker 3: I love the one trio, Amnija, we all have it. 1050 00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:54,200 Speaker 3: It's so fun. 1051 00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:59,640 Speaker 2: It's sorry I don't remember, all right, gang, Oh let's 1052 00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:06,520 Speaker 2: been a week yeah yeah, yeah, oh boy. So Dan's gonna. 1053 00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:11,040 Speaker 3: Save the day or or he's gonna pretend to save 1054 00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:11,399 Speaker 3: the day. 1055 00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:12,880 Speaker 2: Pretend to save the day. 1056 00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:18,280 Speaker 4: I'm so curious. I really wish I remembered what we discover. 1057 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,960 Speaker 2: This also makes me glad that Dan dies because I'm 1058 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:26,239 Speaker 2: at the point now, Oh. 1059 00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,239 Speaker 3: What the shore? Are you kidding me? 1060 00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,759 Speaker 2: Actually he died? I mean you know I didn't know that. Well, 1061 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,080 Speaker 2: there's this whole flat flash forward, like into the future 1062 00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,839 Speaker 2: that's later on in the show. He's it's it's late. 1063 00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,279 Speaker 2: Don't worry about it. It's not. No, it's not like, 1064 00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:41,800 Speaker 2: it's not what you think is happening. 1065 00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:42,960 Speaker 3: The trains left the station. 1066 00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:44,280 Speaker 2: No, it's not what you think. 1067 00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:46,279 Speaker 3: How could it not be what I think? 1068 00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,120 Speaker 2: Because it's not. I promise you it's not what you think. 1069 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,480 Speaker 4: Because if you think something obvious, you should know by 1070 00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,600 Speaker 4: the insanity of season nine that it won't be that. 1071 00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,560 Speaker 2: Oh fine, I'm sorry. Didn't mean to give you a 1072 00:55:58,600 --> 00:55:59,120 Speaker 2: heart attack. 1073 00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:07,280 Speaker 3: Well it's happened. My tongue is upset. We were starting 1074 00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,520 Speaker 3: to spin a wheel and the wheel never stop spinning. 1075 00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:10,200 Speaker 3: Have we given up? 1076 00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:11,120 Speaker 2: We have one? 1077 00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:12,640 Speaker 4: I think we just blew up the wheel. 1078 00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:14,719 Speaker 3: I can just make Oh, there we go. 1079 00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:15,400 Speaker 6: Oh. 1080 00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,400 Speaker 3: Most likely to steal a friend's baby name. 1081 00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,080 Speaker 4: Oh my god, Sicilian dead to me? You're Sarah Tara. 1082 00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:24,880 Speaker 3: Sarah nailed it, great one. 1083 00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,480 Speaker 2: Yes, Sicilian dead. 1084 00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:32,600 Speaker 4: To Sicilian dead to me, I would never forgive. That's dark. 1085 00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:34,319 Speaker 5: All. 1086 00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,759 Speaker 3: That should be the title of this episode. Sicilian dead 1087 00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,680 Speaker 3: to me. By the way, I saw that, never wear 1088 00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,200 Speaker 3: flip flops to a showdown was the previous episode's title. 1089 00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,680 Speaker 3: So thank you producers. I think this one should be dead. 1090 00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,080 Speaker 3: Was it? Sicilian dead to me? 1091 00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:50,080 Speaker 4: Sicilian dead to me? 1092 00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:50,480 Speaker 3: Love that. 1093 00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:55,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like an extra, like, you know, big Italian 1094 00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,200 Speaker 4: family thing like you're dead to me means something. But 1095 00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,200 Speaker 4: when somebody says you are Sicilian undead to me, it's like. 1096 00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh no, this is real. This is yeah, yeah, 1097 00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,560 Speaker 2: this is gonna pass down to your generations. 1098 00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,320 Speaker 3: When the sorority goes I'm mad at you versus I'm 1099 00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:18,760 Speaker 3: literally mad at you, it's like, whoa, literally Okay, we're 1100 00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:19,640 Speaker 3: really in it now. 1101 00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:24,000 Speaker 2: Next episode, Season nine, Episode seven, Last Known Surroundings. We'll 1102 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:29,000 Speaker 2: see you next week. See y Hey, thanks for listening. 1103 00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,360 Speaker 4: Don't forget to leave us a review. 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