1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fitness Disrupted, a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: I am Tom Holland and this is Fitness Disrupted. A 3 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: friend of mine shared a video with me a while back, 4 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: and it was of a singer, a singer in a 5 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: pizza place and he was performing with another friend. So 6 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: it was a bassist and a guitarist in a pizza place, 7 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: live music, and it was a cover of Toto song Africa, 8 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: and it absolutely blew me away. Now, if you've listened 9 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 1: to some other podcasts of mine, I also have a 10 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: creative side of musical background, performance background, love it, which 11 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: is why what I do today makes complete sense. It's fitness, 12 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: it's performance, and there's even music involved. I played drums 13 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: and bands for years, did a lot of things in 14 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: the creative side when it came to music and performing. 15 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: So not only was I blown away by this performance, 16 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: as you will be too if you have not seen it, 17 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: assume many of you have, and if you haven't, uh, 18 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: I will give you the information so that you can 19 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,279 Speaker 1: and you go. What does this have to do with fitness? 20 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: This has everything to do with health and wellness and 21 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: human behavior and something called deliberate practice that I did 22 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: an entire show on because it's what we do when 23 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: a people aren't looking or very few, as in the 24 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: case of Mike muss So Mike Mussay performer and in 25 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: this pizza place, delivered a performance to a handful of 26 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: ball and I'm gonna let him tell the story because 27 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: I don't want to give too much away. But the 28 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: bottom line is he was performing as if he were 29 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: in front of a packed Madison Square garden. And far 30 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: too often, when it comes to fitness and nutrition, you 31 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: see someone who's in shape, or you compete against someone 32 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: in any sport who's really good at what they do, 33 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: and you assume that they were just born that way, 34 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: and of course their genetics involved when it comes to 35 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: sports performance and artistic you know ability, But it's what 36 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: we do when people aren't looking. And the ten thousand hours, 37 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: as Malcolm Gladwell puts it, and it's those workouts, hundreds 38 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 1: and thousands of workouts that people do when no one 39 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: is looking or very few. Again, so for multiple reasons, 40 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: I'm having Mike Massay on. But when you see that 41 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: video and all of his videos after that, but when 42 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: just a few people were watching the performance, he delivered 43 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: the comments at the end. There are comments on the 44 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: YouTube video, which by the way, over fifteen million now 45 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: are I was gonna say just as good, but not 46 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: even close. But they're worth reading. And a common comment 47 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: is that they cannot believe that it's just a handful 48 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: of people applauding at the end. It sounds like two 49 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: or three people. But that's the whole point, is that 50 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: Mike performed every time at this pizza place as if 51 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: he were in front of record executives, as if he 52 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: were in front of a crowd of fifty thousand people. 53 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: I guess what it paid off, the pay eat off. 54 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: So I'll do shows on strength training and cardio and 55 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: the studies involved in nutrition and sports nutrition, but we 56 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: also have to talk about human behavior and practice and performance, 57 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: because that, at the end of the day, is everything. 58 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: We know we need to move more, we know we 59 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: need to eat healthy. How do we get the motivation 60 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: and how do we get motivated when no one is watching. 61 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: When we come back from the break, Mike mus say 62 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: we'll be right back, and we are back. As I 63 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,799 Speaker 1: said in the intro, you know I do shows about 64 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: exercise and shows about nutrition. But one of the biggest 65 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: parts of this whole journey. And you know, process is 66 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: the human behavior side. And you go, how does Mike 67 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: Massay work into that? Well, guess what. As I said 68 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: in the intro, it's what we do when people aren't 69 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: looking or a few people are looking. That I would 70 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: say makes all the difference in the world where it 71 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: comes through exercise and nutrition, and Mike just exemplifies, uh, 72 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: you know, integrity and delivering a great performance, whether it's 73 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: you know, two people or fifty thousand. So Mike, thank 74 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: you so much for taking the time and and we 75 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: go a little back. Yeah, right, it's good to see 76 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: you man, it's great to see you again. Great to 77 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 1: see you. So I'm gonna read your by real quickly 78 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: for those who don't know. So here we go again. 79 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: Mike must say. He's an internationally acclaimed artist who performs 80 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: epic acoustic classic rock. His YouTube channel has over a 81 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five million views and over three hundred 82 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: thousand subscribers. His covers are beloved by many original artists, 83 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: including Boston Sticks, Sarah McLaughlan rush In. Asia uh Toto 84 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: cited Mike's cover of Africa as their favorite, and it 85 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: has As we're speaking over fifteen million views and counting. Uh. 86 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: The success of his YouTube channel allowed him to quit 87 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: his day job as a public defender in two thousand 88 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: fourteen and become a full time musician. Mike's acoustic arrangements 89 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: are praised for their originality, creativity, accuracy, and simplicity. He 90 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: is careful to remain true to what is beloved about 91 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,559 Speaker 1: the original recordings while bringing his own masterful musical flair 92 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: to each rendition. He has performed with members of Boston, Toto, 93 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: and Survivor. He has been featured on BBC Radio and 94 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: other national and international media outlets, and he now performs 95 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: free live stream concerts by the way, we'll talk about 96 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: it like one of the greatest things. You can watch 97 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: from his home studio on Friday and Saturday nights, and 98 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: he soon will be seen again at private and sold 99 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: out public events around the country and the world. Again, Mike, 100 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: thanks so much God, you know, uh, let me let 101 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: me give I didn't tell people that. Not only did 102 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: I see you so a friends shared you know your 103 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: video way back when I was absolutely blown away, and 104 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: we'll talk about that. But then I had Mike come 105 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 1: out and play my fiftieth birthday party, and Mike I 106 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: often talk about like, I'm not a big person who's 107 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: into stuff. I'm into experiences, you know, collecting experiences, whether 108 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: it's races around the world or Mike Massa playing my 109 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: fiftieth birthday party, you know, to pull you out of 110 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: my computer late at night and bring you, you know 111 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: to that party was amazing. So tell people it was great, right, 112 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: I mean, um, and a small venue. It was like 113 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: everything that I'm about. So thank you again for that. 114 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: I will never forget it. I'm gonna have you out again. 115 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: As we talked about Selfish, but let's talk pie Pizzeria. 116 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: Let's go back to where you know, the craziness at 117 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: least started. Tell people about that. So you were playing, 118 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: as I said in the intro, uh was it a 119 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: monthly gig at a pizza joint? And just talk about that. Yeah. 120 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: I was, um, you know when I started, when I 121 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: was in college, I just at this little place in 122 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: Salt Lake City and as you know, one of the 123 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,559 Speaker 1: few places that paid musicians anything. That was like fifty 124 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: bucks a night, you know. But I was like right on. 125 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: For a college kid, I was like, yeah, I'll do that. 126 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: So it's it's started off a long time ago where 127 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: I just you know, would play monthly gigs. They're doing 128 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: my acoustic covers. And eventually, you know, my repertoire grew 129 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: and and I went on to law school, and I 130 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: maintained the gig at the Pizza place, and then I 131 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: became a lawyer, and I still had the gig at 132 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: the pizza place. It was just kind of my way 133 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: to to you know, not forget all the music I 134 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: had learned and to kind of hone my craft. And eventually, 135 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight, I started filming those gigs 136 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: and posting some of the highlights on my YouTube channel 137 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 1: or what became my YouTube channel, and um, and it 138 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: just kind of took off from there. It got, you know, 139 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: noticed by first was a lot of fellow musicians are like, 140 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: what a cool arrangement. I love how you did that. 141 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: And and then um, we posted the Africa cover. I 142 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: say we because a lot of the early videos featured 143 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: me and a guy named Jeff Hall, who was a 144 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,719 Speaker 1: fellow attorney. I was a public defender and he was 145 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: a prosecutor and we both you know, just would meet 146 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: up at the gigs for on Monday nights and he 147 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: was like an old friend from college and he he 148 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: played bass and and sang backing vocals for me, and 149 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: and yeah, we had a good time just kind of 150 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: entertaining the world through our little you know, a little 151 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: video portal of our of our video camera. And uh yeah, eventually, 152 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: I you know, I took off to the point where 153 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 1: I'm like, I think I can do this full time, 154 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: and so I kind of created my own dream job, 155 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: if you will, you know, it's like I was thinking 156 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: about that the other day. We can talk more about that, 157 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: but like sometimes you have to kind of make your 158 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: own dream job dream job. You dream it and then 159 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: you're like, well, I don't know if anyone's gonna pay 160 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: me to do it. I'm just gonna do it and 161 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: see if it works. You know. That's kind of what 162 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: I did. I you know, I just like I quit 163 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: the day job, quit the salary, and became self a 164 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: self employeed musician. And now I I still you know, 165 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: post videos on YouTube, and uh and I was, you know, 166 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: traveling around doing a lot of shows, and then you know, 167 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: I had to kind of pivot to the live streams 168 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 1: when everything shut down. But that's kind of where I'm at. 169 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: But when you were doing those gigs, Mike. This was 170 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 1: pre YouTube. This was your just videotaping, what just for yourself? 171 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 1: Actually no, I mean I started the gigs for YouTube, 172 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: but I started filming them and kind of the early 173 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: days of YouTube. But it was like two thousand eight 174 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: was when I started posting videos, and that was like 175 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: YouTube was in its infancy. I think it maybe started 176 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: in two thousand six or something. I'm not sure exactly, 177 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 1: but but it was enough where I just I actually 178 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: visited my sister and she had me over and and 179 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: uh and it's like, hey, will you, um, you know, 180 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: maybe play a couple of songs for some of my 181 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,599 Speaker 1: friends who have enjoyed, you know, hearing your recordings that 182 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: I've shared with them, and and uh So, while I 183 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: was playing for her friends, she's like, you should start 184 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: a YouTube channel. And I was like, m And I'd 185 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: already been like recording you know, the audio a lot 186 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: of my gigs just to kind of, you know, for posterity. 187 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: And I was like, well, it probably wouldn't be too 188 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: hard to sync up a video to these recordings and 189 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: just post them. And and you know, the early days, 190 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: it's kind of grainy, you know, standard definition video and 191 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: then the video quality kind of improves over time, as 192 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: you can see my channel evolve. So yeah, that's good. 193 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: I started what I have to tell you listeners, Mike 194 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: is a perfectionist, because one thing that brew me away 195 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: is the quality of the audio recordings that I played 196 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: in bands, and I love the equipment. I was a drummer. 197 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: I mean so wait, wait, wait, way down the total 198 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: poll musicians go, but no, like it is. It is 199 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: so unbelievably well done. And as Mike saying, like, yeah, 200 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: the video and and and we could talk about Mike, like, 201 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: you know, the people walking in front of the uh 202 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: the shot, and I found out half of the fact 203 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: that that's because that's where the bathroom was across the 204 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: front of the camera to the bathroom. Ye, people always 205 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: like down in front. I'm like, hey, they're just going 206 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: to the bathroom slack, And yeah, exactly. And it's a joint. 207 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: And you know, I was saying, Mike, when you read 208 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: the comments that are so fantastic on so many levels, 209 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: but one of the common refrains is that you can't 210 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: believe the three the smattering of applause at the end 211 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: of this unbelievable performance, and you and and Jeff lath 212 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: right laugh. I heard some time, but you still delivered 213 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 1: like this crazy performance. So every video you share, you know, 214 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: oh there's there's gonna be one where, you know, you 215 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: don't stay at that level or to that caliber of performance. 216 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: Like what inside you said, I don't care if it's 217 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: two people or fifty thousand. This is what I do. 218 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: And I, you know, I just I guess I always 219 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: just kind of did that. I was always like, you know, 220 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: I was I was serving the music, you know what 221 00:11:57,960 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: I mean. It was just like that, I just love 222 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: these songs too much to just kind of do it halfway, 223 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 1: you know, And so I would, Yeah, I would. I 224 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: would always perform, you know, sing my brains out, regardless 225 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: of how many people were in the room. And then 226 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: when the you know, when we started filming it, I 227 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: had that additional motivation. I'm like, well, you know, even 228 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: if these folks don't get it, maybe somebody out there will, 229 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 1: you know, when they see this later. And so it 230 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: kind of just, you know, the audience sort of shifted 231 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,599 Speaker 1: and and um, but yeah, it was just it was 232 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: just my love for the music, I think, in my 233 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: respect for it, and and I always wanted people. My 234 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: My goal was like, if they liked the original song, 235 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: I don't want them to have any reason not to 236 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: like my cover of it. You know what I mean. 237 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: It's like if I want to maintain everything they loved 238 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: about the original and then just you know, it's me. 239 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: It's through the filter of me. I can't avoid that. 240 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: But you know, and so I didn't want people to 241 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: be like, you know, oh, I like the original, but 242 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: I didn't like what he did with it. Actually, the 243 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: opposite has happened. I've had a lot of people say, 244 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't like the original, but I really 245 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: liked your cover. You know, so that which is great. 246 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: You know, that's kind of the opposite. It's good. And 247 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: it almost plays in a little bit like to what 248 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: I do as far as exercise in that, you know, 249 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: I'm all about the simplistic stuff, as you're saying, like 250 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: it's push up. So the stuff that works works right, 251 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: and so you don't reinvent the wheel, especially when it's 252 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: worked now you could be all. You know, you have 253 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: an amazing voice. We have to say so even though 254 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: Mike saying he doesn't change you know, the songs around 255 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: the way you watch on you know, other shows or whatever. 256 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: When you hit that course in Africa, I mean, it 257 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: gives gives people chills. I mean that was like insane, 258 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: So you know, you don't you don't have to change 259 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: it in that like your instrument and your guitar playing 260 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 1: everything is like you make it look easy. You make 261 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: it look so easy. And let's talk about that, Like 262 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: when did you start playing? I mean, were you you know, 263 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: into music as a kid. Yeah, I mean I grew 264 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: up listening to music. I was in a very you know, 265 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: music fan household. I won't say musical household because nobody 266 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: really played anything. My sisters all kind of you know, 267 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 1: dabbled with piano lessons, but I was the one who 268 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: kind of was trying to play by ear and figure 269 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 1: out songs that I liked, you know, and and m 270 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: and eventually it was like kind of in high school 271 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: where I, you know, got my first acoustic guitar and 272 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: started I'm like, you know, there's just a bunch of 273 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: Beatles songs. I wanted to know how to play, you know, 274 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: even for my own enjoyment. You know, I didn't really 275 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: care if anyone was listening. I'm just like, I want 276 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 1: to do this for me. And so I, you know, 277 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: sat down and like the Beatles were my guitar teachers basically, 278 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: and this was before the internet where he could look 279 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 1: up tab and see how to play. You know, I 280 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: was I gonna do it like a lot. You know, 281 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: I had some song books, but those are those are 282 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:16,719 Speaker 1: piano book those are a guitar books, you know, something like. 283 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: I was pretty much on my own and trying to 284 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: figure things out. And you know, I taught myself Blackbird 285 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: and Yesterday and you know, Rocky Raccoon and all those, 286 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: all those those songs taught me how to fingerpick, you know. 287 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: And then I went through you know, let the cablog 288 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: and just learned a bunch of songs. And it was 289 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: just from my own enjoyment. And uh and I never 290 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: envisioned myself being a professional musician at that time, and 291 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: not at all. I mean I thought, you know, and 292 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: I definitely couldn't sing when I first started to sing. 293 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: I could carry a tune, but I had no technique, 294 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: and so you know, I had to kind of unlock 295 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: my instrument. It was just my desire to sing that 296 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: kept me, you know, driven to do that. And so 297 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: I came a long way and it was through training 298 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: and practice. It wasn't just like I wasn't a natural 299 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: born singer, you know, and at least if I was, 300 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: it was it was a latent talent that I had 301 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: to kind of develop. And again, I'm gonna guess, not 302 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: having heard you sing as a kid, that you were 303 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: going I was, I was okay, I was okay, But 304 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: yeah I listened, and I'm like, but you know what 305 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: that that goes to? You know, again, just with the 306 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: fitness and athletic performance analogies, like give me someone who 307 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: is kind of good Mike as a coach, um when 308 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: I was a trainer, but as the work ethic, right, 309 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: just but it's passionate about like you were, right, because 310 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: the person who hasn't as a gift. And I'm sure 311 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: you've met the musicians and people like that and all 312 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: walks of life, they tend to not work as hard, 313 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: right because it comes too easy. I'm sure you're probably 314 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: being hard on yourself with your level of talent. So 315 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: in the early days when you practiced a lot, was 316 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: it like hours on end or what was your like 317 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: typical you know, I didn't really practice singing and when 318 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: I first started, but like I actually, you know, I 319 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: joined a choir in high school. I was in a 320 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: couple of choirs, and that kind of like showed me. 321 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that's what good voices sound like, and 322 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: that's what you know, it should be happening. And so 323 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: I I kind of surrounded myself with people that kind 324 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: of knew what they were doing and and kind of 325 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: tried to you know, draft behind them a bit, you know, 326 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: and just kind uh you know, figured out that way. 327 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: And then eventually I started taking voice lessons and then 328 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: I actually auditioned to be a voice major in college, 329 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: and you know, I became of a voice major in college, 330 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: and that was where I really started learning a lot, 331 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: you know. I was I was learning you know, traditional 332 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: you know, legit singing, you know, you know, slash opera 333 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: almost and I was in some really good choirs in college, 334 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: and so that just taught me a lot that, you know, 335 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: just surrounding myself again with a lot of talent and 336 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: and you know, seeing the opera singers who would just 337 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: you know blow the doors off of the songs, I 338 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: was just like, I'm never gonna be able to do that, 339 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: you know, And so I was just like it was 340 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: just you know, I had my pop sensibilities, my rock sensibilities, 341 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm I'm comfortable where I am. But um, 342 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: but yeah, but you know, you can learn a lot 343 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: from all the different styles and and it's important, I think, 344 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: to expose yourself to that just so you have kind 345 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: of a you know, a well rounded view of take 346 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: on music or whatever you're doing, you know, figure out 347 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: what what's out there and and uh, and then I 348 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: was just kind of driven to kind of, you know, 349 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: like I said, to work up my own repertoire and 350 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: and just for my own enjoyment. And then as an attorney, 351 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: you know, it just kind of kept me saying it 352 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: was sort of my break from the grind of the 353 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: day job, you know, and and being a public defender, 354 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: you know, in criminal working in criminal law, you get 355 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: you get a lot of secondary PTSD. You know, you're 356 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 1: exposed to a lot of horrible situations and and um 357 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 1: sad situations, and so it's it kind of you know, 358 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 1: it was my escape. Music was my safe place, you 359 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: know that I kind of came back to um just 360 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: to kind of, you know, just kind of get my 361 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: mind off of other things I would work, you know, 362 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: I'd come home and sometimes work late at night and 363 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: just kind of work on recordings and at my own pace. 364 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: I didn't have a schedule or you know, now I'm 365 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:32,719 Speaker 1: more motivated as a self employed person. I'm like, I 366 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: have to be, you know, I have to kind of 367 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: keep myself moving all the time. And and so that 368 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: was a transition for me, was you know, becoming self 369 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: employed and and uh, but I think I've made the jump. 370 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: It took a couple of years to kind of get 371 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 1: my group, but I think I feel like I'm I'm 372 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: in a good place now where you know, I kind 373 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: of balance the self employment with the home life and 374 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 1: literally home life all the time now. But yeah, it's 375 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 1: it's been good. When did the piano and get torque? 376 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: You even skipped over that? I mean people need to 377 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: realize that. Like again, I know just enough guitar, not 378 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: even piano to be dangerous, like not even but like 379 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,959 Speaker 1: you you I read the comments like by guys who 380 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: I know must be great guitar players piano players, and 381 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: their reverence for you're playing again the simplicity you know, 382 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: you miss nothing like with the music and the vocal parts. 383 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: So was that just music school with the vocals came at. Yeah, 384 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: you know, I think a lot of that was just 385 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, I think of a lot of that's 386 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: just listening. I've always been a really good listener, and 387 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: I sometimes it surprises me that other people don't hear 388 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: what I hear because I'm just like, it's just there. 389 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 1: I'm just like, I'm not I take it all back, 390 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: like you're ridiculously gift. No, it's just I'm serious though. 391 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: Like when I do a cover, I'm like, you know, 392 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: I I hear when something's missing, and you know, I 393 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 1: can hear the difference between what I'm doing and what 394 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: they're doing if it's not the same, and like and 395 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: if I'm dissecting recording, if I'm like piecing together like 396 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: you know, like my own arrangement of something, I go 397 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,479 Speaker 1: back through the original, and you know, I just I 398 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: try to you know, sometimes I'm not just duplicating the 399 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: piano part or the guitar part, because it's a whole 400 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: band arrangement that I'm converting to guitar piano. So you 401 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: have to bring another elements of the music. You have 402 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: to kind of hear what the drums are doing and 403 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: hear what the bass is doing. And you know, I've 404 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: done covers, like I did a rush cover of a 405 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: song called Mystic Rhythms, and when I when I arranged 406 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 1: that acoustically, I realized, I'm like, I have to ignore 407 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: the guitar part and I'm just gonna basically do what 408 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: the bass and the keyboards are doing because that's where 409 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: the core changes are and that's where the root of 410 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: the song is, and the guitar parts just kind of 411 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: like you know, uh flair, you know, it's it just 412 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 1: was just kind of a different you know. So that's 413 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 1: just like one example where sometimes you kind of have 414 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 1: to you know, you have to imagine, like what how 415 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: do I bring this song to life with only my 416 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: guitar or you know, I've introduced to I have a 417 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: a stomp pedal now that is as a kick drum 418 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 1: kind of you know, to just kind of keep a 419 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: simple beat. Sometimes it kind of helps me. But like 420 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: you know, I don't have a lot to work with, 421 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: so I'm just but I want people to feel that 422 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: same energy from the original, and you know, and that's 423 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: kind of you know, that's sort of my mindset and 424 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: my approach to it. Yeah, So you have an ability 425 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: as you're describing to just what the essence of the song, right, 426 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: and make it as big as it can be with 427 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: one person. Right, So let's just talk about you alluded 428 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: to it or spoke about it. Um, when you made 429 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: that decision when it's you know, you're a lawyer, you 430 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: got a family, and you're like, you know what, I'm 431 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: passionate about this. I think I could make a go 432 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: of it. That's scary. I don't care you know how 433 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: well you're doing on the other side that choice. Yeah, 434 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: it was a kind of a big, kind of a 435 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: big leap, you know. And I was sort of to 436 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: the point where when I made that decision, I was 437 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: kind of a little bit of hybrid. I mean, I 438 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: was kind of working as a musician on the side, 439 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: and I had you know, I was traveling for gigs 440 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: and I you know, did even did some public gigs 441 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: and and you know to some places, and I kind 442 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: of had the fan base and and um, actually what 443 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: happened was my cover of Africa had sort of a 444 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: little viral outbreak. I hate saying that these days, but 445 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: that's a different meaning. But yeah, you know went viral 446 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: and and you know, and that kind of raised my 447 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 1: exposure level, and I was getting inquiries from you know, 448 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: more people and stuff, and I was just like, oh, 449 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:00,719 Speaker 1: you know, oh my god, that if I put my 450 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: you know, heart and soul and and mine to this 451 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: full time, that I could I could do this. And 452 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: and so you know, it's kind of a family decision, 453 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: you know. I had to make sure my wife was 454 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: cool with it and everything, and and we, yeah, we 455 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: decided to make the leap. And um, it's it's just 456 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: been great. You know. Um, let me just ask you. 457 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: Have you seen that? Um, have you seen Stanley Tucci 458 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: searching for Italy on CNN? Have you seen any of that? Okay, 459 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: it's awesome. It's like, yeah, it's awesome. It's basically like 460 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 1: Stanley Tucci going around Italy and visiting all these beautiful 461 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: places and just eating all the great food. And I'm 462 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: just like, I'm like, what a what a great job 463 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: that would be to have that job. You know. It's 464 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: just like it's, you know, like that's an example of 465 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: a dream job. And it's like, you know, and no 466 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: one's gonna like necessarily pay you to do that, but 467 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: you have to make it. And I'm sure he was like, 468 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: I want to do this, and and he figured out 469 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: a way to get paid to do it. And it's 470 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 1: it's awesome. It's a great show, and it just it'll 471 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: make you hungry, but it's a great show. But but 472 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: to me, I was I was thinking about that. I 473 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:54,719 Speaker 1: was just like, you know, that's kind of what I did. 474 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, I love you know, a lot of musicians 475 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: are like, you know, I need to have original music 476 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: and you know, I need to h make it, you know, 477 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 1: make my own identity and stuff. And I was like, 478 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: I've never been that guy. I'm just like, I love 479 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: this music from the past, and I love doing it 480 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: for people. I love these acoustic arrangements and and and 481 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: That'm like, if I can figure out how to do 482 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: that for a living, that's awesome. And and that's kind 483 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: of what I did. I just kind of made my 484 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: own path and and it's been it's been great. I 485 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: could not have scripted that better, Mike, because exactly, you know, 486 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: and that's why I think I connected with you over 487 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: the computers so quickly. It's about passion. You know. I'm 488 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: actually back in school at about Harvard, studying a bunch 489 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: of different cources human behavior, and the course right now 490 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 1: it is motivation, and you just hit on you know 491 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: three things people are looking for, you know, autonomy, the 492 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: ability to do what we want, you know, mastery to 493 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: get good at doing what we want, and then purpose 494 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: right to hopefully have a bigger cause. And you know, 495 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: you're entertaining people, making people happy, I'm hopefully making people healthier, 496 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: and so like, I just love that because I have 497 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: people stick their head in my office all the time 498 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: and they look around and they go, you know, what 499 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: the hell do you do for am? Because I made 500 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: my passion my vocation and there was no and still 501 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: is no road map, and I'm I'm constantly hustling. You're 502 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 1: still hustling, but I'm sure the alternative is so much worse. Right, 503 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 1: there's no going back. I don't fall back on right 504 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 1: because we're passionate about what we do. You have to 505 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: be willing and you have to be comfortable with making 506 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: decisions because you're the only one that you're answering to 507 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: most of the time, you know what I mean? Like you, 508 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: I mean, you have your family or supporting perhaps, but like, 509 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 1: apart from that, it's just kind of like I'm my 510 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: own boss, Like literally in a way that not everybody's 511 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 1: comfortable with that. Some people just like I just want 512 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: to go to work and have people tell me what 513 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: to do and then go home, and like I don't 514 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: want to like engage on that level. And I get 515 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: that too, you know, but but some people are like, no, 516 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: I'm just like I got these ideas, I've got this, 517 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: you know, I have all these things I would do 518 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: if I had the time, you know, and it's just 519 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: like I made the time, you know, like I had. 520 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: That was a big thing for me because there's like 521 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 1: so many songs that I wanted to like record and cover, 522 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm never gonna get to all these 523 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: if it's part time. I'm like, there's so much music 524 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: that I want to share with people the way I 525 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: hear it and the way I do it. And and 526 00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: that was another great thing about the live streams is like, 527 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: you know, in the past, I would work on, you know, 528 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 1: a couple of songs a month, and you know that 529 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: would be all I could do, you know, just because 530 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: each one I crafted all perfectly, and you know, I 531 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: just I spend time on arrange the recording, backing vocals, 532 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 1: whatever it would be, you know, and then when the 533 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: live streams. Sit I'm just like, hey, world, check out 534 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: all these arrangements, you know. Like I was like I 535 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: would just be able. I was able to unload all 536 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 1: these songs that I just kind of like, you've never 537 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: heard me do this song before because I never recorded 538 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: it yet, you know. And so it's like I've done 539 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: I've I've sung over six hundred different songs on my 540 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: live streams. I've done a hundred and I think a 541 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: hundred and forty something episodes, and um, I learned probably 542 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 1: in the past year, I learned at least maybe I 543 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 1: don't know of those for the first time, like at 544 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: least over a hundred songs or maybe more, maybe two hundred. 545 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 1: A lot of them. I was like digging back through 546 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: my catalog. I'm just like, I'm gonna I want to 547 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:49,959 Speaker 1: bring this one back. I want to bring this one 548 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 1: back because I was always trying to find it, you know. 549 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: I wanted people to have repeat viewing, have have that 550 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: be interesting to them, you know, and and so I 551 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: you know, I had a large repertoire, but I've expanded 552 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: it so much and it's been fun, and not everything 553 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: works equally. You know. It's like it's kind of like 554 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: my and that's what I used to do with the Pie. 555 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: When I would play at the Pie, I would arrange 556 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 1: something and I like this work, you know this kind 557 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: of you know, I try it and be like, now 558 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: that didn't work, or you know, like that's awesome, and 559 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: I want to do that again. All right, I'm like 560 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:14,959 Speaker 1: I could do that better. I'm gonna keep doing it. 561 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: And so that's kind of the live streams of all 562 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: like the Pie for me in a way where I 563 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: just kind of give myself. I'm in my own basement, 564 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: so I give myself permission to make mistakes and and 565 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: just kind of roll with it, and it's live and 566 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: people kind of I think they like seeing the human 567 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,719 Speaker 1: element of of me not being you know, as perfect 568 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: as I've always been on YouTube up to that point. 569 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: And so but you know, you know, I take requests 570 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: on the fly, and you know, sometimes I'm like, I 571 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,239 Speaker 1: don't know if I remember that well enough to try it, 572 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 1: you know, are sometimes I'll I'll be like I think 573 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: I can do this, and then like afterwards, I'm like, 574 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: I guess I didn't remember that as well as I 575 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: said I did. You know, it doesn't it's all just 576 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: roll with it. But it's you know, I think people 577 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 1: appreciate that that human element and just kind of seeing that, 578 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: you know, musicians are human and and even once we 579 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: were professionals, you know, they're not. They don't know everything 580 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: equally well. You know, there's some songs I've done hundreds 581 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 1: of times that I could just do in my sleep, 582 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 1: and there's other songs I'm just like, I need a 583 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: chart in front of me, you know, just because I 584 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 1: don't know these words yet or what ever, you know. 585 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: So it's just, yeah, it's it's been it's been a 586 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: fun experience for me. And like you know that I 587 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 1: try to look at the bright side of being locked down, 588 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,239 Speaker 1: and that's that's what it's been for me. It's just 589 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: expanding my repertoire and and uh also just kind of 590 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: having a family of a fan base. I've got, you know, 591 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: live chatters who are regulars that come to my show 592 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: all the time, and it's like they're the little micn 593 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: Say show family, you know, and and they support me 594 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: with their donations, you know, and and it's just it's 595 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: been awesome building that kind of community, and it's gonna 596 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: be great for me to get back on the road. 597 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: And actually see these people in person. I can't wait 598 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: so many things I gotta pull out real quick. So 599 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: you talked about time, right, and that's the number one 600 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: excuse for exercise, right, don't have time? We all have time. 601 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,719 Speaker 1: We gotta be passionate about what we do. And like 602 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: how many people artistically right, Oh, I have a great 603 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: idea for a book or a movie screenplayer, I just 604 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: can't find the time. And like, you get up earlier 605 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: or you work later, like I, I'm I don't know 606 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: about you, but I'm up pretty late and I'm up 607 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: pretty early, right because I need to do things. I'm 608 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: so passionate about what I do. If you told me 609 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 1: I couldn't do those things, I'd be annoyed, right as would. 610 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: But I also love you talked about and I hate 611 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: the term there's no failure, right, And I so appreciate Mike, 612 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 1: and I see that. I think again, you're that kind 613 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: of musician. I get it when you and Jeff are 614 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: playing or something and I see you laugh, and I 615 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: know you're laughing because you did something wrong that I 616 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 1: don't even know. Right, you missed a note. You guys 617 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: look at each other, but I know I didn't hear it. 618 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 1: So like again, it's it's all relative, but people need 619 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 1: to hear that, like there is no failure, you know. 620 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: And I love that about you because I did the 621 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: same thing back when I was doing my first fitness 622 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: videos Mike. I did them in real time because I said, 623 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: I want people to see me stumble. Now it also 624 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: was a lot cheaper, so we're on so many levels. 625 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: But people, you know, still to this day, Mike say, 626 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,159 Speaker 1: you know, when you fell or stumbled whatever it was, 627 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: I did too right, And that's you know, you gotta 628 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: be there is no perfect, especially in this world of 629 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: Instagram right where everything is is perfect. So just know 630 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: that I so appreciate that. And people need to hear 631 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: that message that your failure is not trying. Yeah, exactly. 632 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: You have to give your self permission to not be 633 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: perfect and and uh, you know, hopefully the quality of 634 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: your work outshines any minor and perfections, you know, And 635 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: that's kind of you know. I try to be consistent 636 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: and um, and if I do something, if I play 637 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: a song where it didn't go great, then I'll be 638 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 1: sure to play something better the next song. I'm like, 639 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back to something don't go back to 640 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: a safe place and redeem myself a bit. You know what. 641 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: I can say that, I'm like, I need to redeem myself. 642 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: I'll even say that, you know. So it's just, yeah, 643 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: it's just kind of pushing myself. We just did a 644 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: Pink Floyd show a couple of weeks ago where we 645 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: I learned like seventeen songs in like a week and 646 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: a half, you know, And you know, I did the 647 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: same thing for a Genesis show and you know, and 648 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: so it's like, and I just did a youtubo show 649 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: last night for St. Patrick's Day and and so yeah, 650 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: it's like I'm I'm constantly pushing myself and like, I 651 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: gotta learn new songs. I gotta keep going. And it's 652 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: just been part of my drive and it's yeah, and 653 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not gonna stop. Yeah. And by the way, 654 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: I saw all those shows, I didn't know half of 655 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: those Pink Floyd songs went deep yeah, well you know, 656 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: yeah it was for the fans. Yeah, constantly improving, Like 657 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what I don't know. Like 658 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: if you watch my YouTube channel, like you can literally 659 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: scroll and you can name the songs within the time 660 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: bar right, I mean so just oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 661 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: which is awesome. Yeah, I know, right, it's like little chapters. Yeah, 662 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: you can just put chapters in it. Yeah, from the description. Yeah, 663 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: that was that's a cool thing. I picked up on 664 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: that tip. Yeah, so you can skip through and see 665 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: like I always put the whole set list in the 666 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: description of the video. And when you do that, if 667 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,959 Speaker 1: you put zero like zero cal and zero zero as 668 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: the first time, it'll set chapters out for the whole video. 669 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: And it's just and so people can skip through it 670 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: and it's and uh yeah, I have a PDF file 671 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: which has got all the six songs I played on 672 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: it sorted by artist or by song, where it's got 673 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: every single performance linked and you click on it and 674 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: you can like watch that performance like in it's got 675 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: them by episode numbers, and it's just like, yeah, it's 676 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: it's I'm kind of utilizing the technology in a way 677 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: that just kind of makes it easy for people to 678 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: enjoy and and come back to, you know, when they 679 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: find favorites. It's cool, but you could you could sit 680 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: back on your worlds, right, And that's what I love, 681 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: and that's I think when people truly passionate about what 682 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: they do. We want to constantly improve, right, and and 683 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: that means we're not going to be perfect. That means 684 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: we're going to screw up right because it goes with 685 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: the territory. So that's I think the message that I 686 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: love that you bring to this, Mike, and why I 687 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: wanted to have you on all of these things, and 688 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: that you know, I used to say this when I 689 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: first came out with those videos. My family and friends said, 690 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: you're an idiot, like, why who are you? Were you 691 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: another fitness right? Who are you to sing these songs? Right? 692 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: That are you know? And I said, you know what, 693 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,719 Speaker 1: I'm passionate about what I do, and there's room at 694 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: the top for everyone who's good. Right, I'm not competing 695 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: with anyone. I'm competing with myself. And it's cliche to say, 696 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: but people have to really believe that. You know that, 697 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: if you're passionate about what you do, there's room at 698 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: the top for everyone who's good. Yeah, and I think 699 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: it's And the important thing is to find what is 700 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: that thing that you're good at that you can kind 701 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: of stand out with, because I mean, you have to 702 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: be sort of self aware enough to know when you're 703 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: like beating a dead horse or whatever, you're like like, 704 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: I'm like I shouldn't do this. That's not me, you know, 705 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: but you can try. If you want to do it, 706 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: try and if and maybe sometimes your passion will will 707 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: overcome your you know, lack of ability at first, and 708 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: you can you know, you'll get to where you want 709 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: to be and if you have the passion for it. 710 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: And so I think that's super important. I had a 711 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: million reasons not to have a YouTube channel. I had 712 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: a million reasons not to have a YouTube channel, mostly 713 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: the fact that it was a video. I'm just I 714 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: kind of want to be on camera, like it wants 715 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: to look at me play, you know. I'm just like, 716 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: you know, they can listen to me. But you know, 717 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: but so I you know, the the video is sort 718 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: of a necessary element and I just kind of overcame 719 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: it and I did the best with like I could 720 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: with it. But it's a the audio has always been 721 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: the focus, you know, like it's always been the product basically, 722 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: you know, like if you go on listen to me 723 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: on Spotify, I'm on Spotify, on I'm on Apple Music, 724 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: I'm on all those places. If you listen to my music. 725 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: It's just like it's basically the soundtrack to my YouTube 726 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: channel without the video. But it's just like not really 727 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: missing anything as far as I'm concerned, unless you want 728 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: to see what how it works, you know, I see 729 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: how how I play the songs or whatever. But yeah, 730 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: I think, as you said, Mike would absolutely stand on 731 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: its own. But again, I love I still revisit those 732 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: Pie episodes because to me, watching that performance, it's such 733 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: another level of you and just how special you know 734 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: your performances are, right, I mean appreciate that. I like 735 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: Jeff in your basement too. Actually, actually it's price lately 736 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: in my basement person. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and my friend 737 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: um Rock small would also comes in does lead guitar sometimes. Yeah. 738 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: I've had a few guests, you know, over the past years, 739 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: you know, sitting with me. It's been fun. And Jeff 740 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: still in you in Utah, but he wants to come 741 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: out and do some streams with me. I'm sure he will, 742 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: and I'm looking forward to that. The Simon and gar 743 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: Funkle you guys do, I mean, extreme whole just awesome. 744 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: So tell people I'm gonna obviously repeat it, but tell 745 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: people ahead how to watch you and see you and yeah, 746 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: well the easiest way to find me is just Google 747 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: Acoustic Africa cover and you'll find that's easier. Remember um, 748 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: because I'm usually the one the first result that pops up. 749 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: But it's just yeah, it's Mike Miss and it's just 750 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: YouTube dot com slash Mike Miss and Mike k E, 751 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: m A S. S E. My website is just mikems 752 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,719 Speaker 1: dot com. So and again, obviously as we're reporting this, 753 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: we're kind of the hopefully the tale into COVID. But again, 754 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: I had Mike for a private showing, which one of 755 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: the greatest experiences I've had, so know that that's an option. 756 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: You're gonna be touring again, hopefully soon. Sad. Right, So, 757 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: lots of different ways watch you subscribe to your channel, 758 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: But if you have a special event and you want 759 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: to make it truly special, I can't recommend having Might 760 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: come play. And you can also have those other guys 761 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: as well, which is kind of Yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah, 762 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: I I will travel and I will I'll I'll meet 763 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: you someplace and we'll do it. I've done weddings and Italy, 764 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: I've done charity events in Western Australia, I mean, I've 765 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: just you know, I've I've been all around said I'm 766 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: happy to do it. What's the next concert? What's coming up? 767 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: What do we have to I've got a show here 768 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: in Denver at the Buffalo Rose, which is a huge 769 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: venue in uh in Golden Colorado, and that's on April three, 770 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: and that's gonna be like my first in person gig 771 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: in a long time. And then I've got, you know, 772 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: I've got gigs scheduled in the summer that are probably 773 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: gonna get postponed and get a venue capacities don't lift. 774 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: But I'm hoping to make it out in the fall 775 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: to the to the gigs I have in the fall, 776 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: I hope those are gonna stick. So yeah, I'm heading 777 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: to the East coasts and I'm gonna be everywhere. So yeah, 778 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: just check out my schedule on my on my website 779 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: and what's the next live website show every Friday and 780 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: Saturday night nine pm Eastern and it's they're always free shows. 781 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: I just play requests for donations, So just tune in 782 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:10,879 Speaker 1: and check it out. I gotta tell you, I've drank 783 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 1: more wine next to my computer, balling down the rabbit 784 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: hole of Mike, let's say, are fantastic and you know what, 785 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: it's truly special. Like so again I want to say 786 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: how grateful I am like to have met you and 787 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: you know, call your friends like you know, it's just 788 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: you hit on. You know, this show is not just 789 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,280 Speaker 1: about fitness, but it's about you know, the mental side 790 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: and the performance side and you know, living your best life. 791 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 1: And you know this is every cliche meme Mike. You 792 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 1: have to do it right people, and it's scary. And 793 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 1: you know, as we're saying, find what you love, you know, 794 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: put yourself in and know that you're not going to 795 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 1: be perfect at the start, right and and I hope 796 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,760 Speaker 1: you've cut your sister in for like a huge amount 797 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 1: of your all right, well, I was just gonna say 798 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: last night that like people when when when you check 799 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: out my YouTube channel, you'll see that, like I'm just 800 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: kind of an everyman guy like people. I think it's 801 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: one of the appeals is like people seem and they're like, hey, 802 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,879 Speaker 1: if he can do it, I can do it. There's 803 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: like there's nothing special about you know, my appearance or anything. 804 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: And just like you know, and so yeah, just just 805 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: give yourself a chance and and see what you can do. Yeah, 806 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: regular guy with ridiculous talent. So again, thank you so much, Mike. 807 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,919 Speaker 1: Look forward to uh get hoping to have you back 808 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: out in my neck of the woods soon. So thanks 809 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 1: again for taking the time, and we'll talk to Yeah, 810 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: good to see man. All right, we'll be right back. 811 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: I am Tom Holland. This is Fitness Disrupted quick break 812 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: and we'll be right back and we are back. I 813 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: want to thank Mike Massey again. Uh such uh a 814 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 1: unique talent and you know, probably not what you wouldn't 815 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: necessarily expect here on Fitness Disrupted, but expect the unexpected, 816 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: because that's how true long term change happens. It's not 817 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: just exercise, it's not just nutrition. It's the motivation, and 818 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 1: it's doing things that were passionate about and doing them 819 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,720 Speaker 1: for the right reasons when no one's looking, and being 820 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: uh open to not being perfect. You know, I keep 821 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: wanting to use the word failure. I'm just tired of it, 822 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: you know, failures. It's it's just a misunderstood, misused term. 823 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: You know. Let me just throw this out real quickly. 824 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,760 Speaker 1: You know, not only music, I did stand up comedy 825 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: for years. I did acting and I remember back, you know, 826 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: when friends from college said, you know, I started out 827 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: with Jim gaff again. We worked together, and they said, 828 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 1: you know, you were a failed comedian. No, I wasn't. 829 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: It was part of my process. It's what allows me 830 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: to do today what I do and love to do. 831 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: It was all part of the process. And you have 832 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,040 Speaker 1: to be willing, as Mike said, to take chances, to 833 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: take risks, to constantly grow. And let me tell you 834 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: real quickly about Jim Gaffigan. Jim Gaffigan was just like 835 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: Mike Massay in that he was always trying out new material, 836 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 1: you know, back in the day, way before he was famous. 837 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 1: And for those of you don't know, look up Jim 838 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 1: Gaffigan the comedian. You know who he is, you've seen him, 839 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 1: and such a talent, not just a comedian. It's been 840 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,399 Speaker 1: on Broadways, written books, phenomenal, But he was always trying 841 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: new things. Most comedians, myself included, back in the day, 842 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,320 Speaker 1: you get twenty thirty minutes where you you know the 843 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: jokes work, and you stick with that. Especially when things 844 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: go wrong right, you tend to fall back to the 845 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,839 Speaker 1: stuff you know works well. Yeah, Jim would do that occasionally, 846 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 1: but he was always trying out new things, and that's 847 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: how we get better. That's how we get better. So 848 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: the two things I want to really pull out amongst 849 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: many Mike's interview is, you know, what we do when 850 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 1: people aren't looking makes a huge impact on what people 851 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: see when they are. And that goes for eating healthy 852 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: of the time right and ominantly, as I said in 853 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: a quick fit tip, when you're not with people, so 854 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 1: you can enjoy the food when you're with family and 855 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,840 Speaker 1: on holidays and with friends. And Mike is just underselling himself. 856 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: He is such a talent and I feel so fortunate, 857 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 1: as I said, to not only call him a friend now, 858 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: but to have had him perform at my fiftieth birthday party, 859 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,360 Speaker 1: such a special moment. Collect experiences, stuff comes and goes. 860 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,800 Speaker 1: Our health can't put a price on it, our happiness 861 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 1: can't put a price on it. And eating healthy and 862 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 1: exercising and believing in yourself and doing things that you're 863 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 1: passionate about and realizing that no matter what that is, 864 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 1: there's room at the top if that's what you want 865 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: to do. But you gotta give a time, just like 866 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 1: exercise and weight loss, and you've got to be willing 867 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 1: to not be perfect. I will say that over and 868 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 1: over again because it is so crucial. You know, back 869 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 1: to the stand up comedy, and I'll leave you with this. 870 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 1: Trying to do stand up comedy in front of people, 871 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 1: you have to bring your friends when you're not good invaluable. 872 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,800 Speaker 1: You know. Did a podcast and wrote an article recently 873 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 1: about that first huge audition I had for a huge 874 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,839 Speaker 1: P ninety X style DVD program, and long story short, 875 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 1: I knew I was going to get it, and they 876 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 1: had auditioned hundreds of people for that, and I got 877 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: a call from someone who knew what I did and 878 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: they said, you know, Tom, there's this opportunity to think 879 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,320 Speaker 1: you're probably perfect. And it was all the stand up comedy. 880 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 1: It was all the quote unquote failures, hundreds and hundreds 881 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: of auditions and time on stage and classes and teaching 882 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,400 Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of classes. Fitness wise. I was passionate 883 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: about it. And you gotta find the time, as he said, 884 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 1: number one excuse for not exercising time. Find what you 885 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: love to do, do it. Whether or not you make 886 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 1: that you're living is up to you. But realize that 887 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,320 Speaker 1: when you put in the time, when you give it time, 888 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: and when you're passionate about it, you can chief amazing things. 889 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 1: And that's for your health, and that's for your family, 890 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 1: and that's for your finances everything. Thanks again to Mike Massa. 891 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 1: Go to Mike Masse dot com is he said, that's 892 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: m A S s E YouTube, same thing, Mike Masse, 893 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: just Google. I love that. That's how huge that video is. 894 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: Twitter he's on it as well. Mike Muss Instagram, Mike 895 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,400 Speaker 1: Muss Music, so that's the only different way to find him. 896 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,400 Speaker 1: Mike Masse Music for Instagram. But Mike Muss m A 897 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: S s E. As it says in the show notes. 898 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,240 Speaker 1: Thank you again, and remember there are three things we control, 899 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 1: how much we move, what we can tour mouse and 900 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,879 Speaker 1: our attitudes, and that is awesome. You want to reach 901 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 1: out to me, Tom h Fit is Twitter and Instagram 902 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 1: for me Tom h Fit. And by the way, I'm 903 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,439 Speaker 1: launching brand new news, big news, my own virtual Jim 904 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 1: Tom Holland Fitness dot com. Go to Tom Holland Fitness 905 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: dot com and work on this for years. All the 906 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,759 Speaker 1: content I have worked on for decades, we'll be put 907 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 1: up there slowly soft launch. Check it out. Tom Holland 908 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: fitness dot com and you can also go to fitness 909 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,759 Speaker 1: disrupted dot com. So lots of ways to help you 910 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:16,320 Speaker 1: become the best of you. All right, I am Tom Holland. 911 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 1: This is Fitness Disrupted. Believe in yourself. Fitness Disrupted is 912 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 1: a production of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts from 913 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,319 Speaker 1: my Heart Radio, visit the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 914 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,720 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.