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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb and my name is Julie Douglas.

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Speaker 1: And uh, you know, guys, we have to have sponsors,

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Speaker 1: and this episode is sponsored in part by the numbers seven.

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Speaker 1: Big sponsors were really happy to have landed, uh, this

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Speaker 1: particular number as a sponsor because it's, uh, it's pretty magical.

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Speaker 1: It's a magical, mystical number that we see in nature,

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Speaker 1: we see in culture, it's everywhere. Um. In fact, you

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Speaker 1: could say that the number seven is just one of

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Speaker 1: the underpinnings that we use to piece together reality for us. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's easy to think of numbers as completely arbitrary, especially

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Speaker 1: as we take in the world around us and apply

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Speaker 1: these different values to things. But in this episode, we're

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Speaker 1: going to stop for a second and think, huh, maybe

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Speaker 1: there maybe there is something to off this seven. Uh magic.

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Speaker 1: It's true because when you start to consider the number

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Speaker 1: seven and it's relevance in society and again the way

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Speaker 1: that we organized life, you begin to see a pattern.

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Speaker 1: And so the question becomes it's just just our brain's

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Speaker 1: pattern recognition sinery or is seven somehow just branded into

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Speaker 1: our brains, and so we're gonna try to tease that

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Speaker 1: out a little bit without starting any sort of seven

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Speaker 1: conspiracy theories. No. Yeah, we're not going to get into

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Speaker 1: into numerology, and particularly in this sub podcast, or at

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Speaker 1: least I'm not going to advocate it, but we will

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Speaker 1: discuss a number of the things that do occur in

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Speaker 1: sevens in nature, in culture, in history, and pop culture.

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Speaker 1: Um where it's not gonna be a comprehensive list by

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Speaker 1: any stretch of the imagination, but um, I think we're

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Speaker 1: gonna fit a lot of stuff on there. Yeah, okay, well,

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Speaker 1: let's let's begin with nature. We've got those seven seas,

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Speaker 1: the seven continents, the seven colors in a rainbow, that's right,

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Speaker 1: Roy g. BIV. Seven colors. Most mammals have next with

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Speaker 1: seven bones in them. If you look at the periodic table,

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Speaker 1: what do you find? Number of rows is seven? True?

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Speaker 1: The neutral pH value that lies between acidity and alkalinity

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Speaker 1: is seven. And should we bet on seven? Seven? Seven?

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Speaker 1: A good gambling number? It is? Yes, it turns out,

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Speaker 1: you know it's a nine right to die? Nine, you know,

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Speaker 1: a bit too high, five, a bit too low. But

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Speaker 1: seven just right, So it's kind of like the Goldilocks

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Speaker 1: of numbers. Yes, you often here too, that by age seven,

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Speaker 1: the blueprint for adulthood is in place, that a child

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Speaker 1: personality is set in stone. In fact, there's a whole

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Speaker 1: documentary series based on this idea, and the first episode

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Speaker 1: in the series is called Seven Up. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you've seen this before, but it's a it's a

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Speaker 1: series in the UK that follows these children at age

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Speaker 1: seven and then every seven years. Yeah I think, I

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm not quite sure what age they go up to,

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Speaker 1: but um, well into to the middle ages of these kids,

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Speaker 1: and it's fascinating to see really how very little these

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Speaker 1: kids have changed that truly by age seven there's something

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Speaker 1: that is set with a personality. Not to be confused though,

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Speaker 1: with the Seven Ups, the Roy Schneider follow up to

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Speaker 1: the French Connection, different film entirely, or the Drink or

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Speaker 1: the Drink. Yes, um. Now, of course, when we start

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Speaker 1: getting into culture, this is where the list really gets

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Speaker 1: pretty expansive. So um, you'll have to stop me once

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Speaker 1: I get going on this, but just to go back

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Speaker 1: and forth a little bit there, of course, seven Holy

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Speaker 1: Virtues and seven Deadly Sins. We talked about both of

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Speaker 1: those in our Seven Deadly Sins, a series that we

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Speaker 1: did on the science behind each one. And of course

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Speaker 1: there are seven virtues, and of course if you look

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Speaker 1: back at religious texts, you will see that seven shows

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Speaker 1: up quite a bit. It's a it's quite a fortuitous number.

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Speaker 1: And if you look at of course the Bible, there

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Speaker 1: And then of course that has to do with their

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Speaker 1: the way we arrange our week seven days a week, right,

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Speaker 1: seven chakras, the yoga, which we also did a podcast

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Speaker 1: about a couple of podcasts. Actually, in the Islamic tradition

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Speaker 1: there are seven heavens and seven earths, and the number

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Speaker 1: Various uh maps of hell include seven levels, some a

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Speaker 1: come under the influence of seven or beersheba um. Again,

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Speaker 1: seven divisions of the Lord's prayer. The seventh son of

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Speaker 1: beginning to think about George Carlin and his seven sware

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Speaker 1: into movies, um, seven notes in the musical scale. In

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Speaker 1: the Apocalypse, the Christian Apocalypse alone, we have seven chronicles

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Speaker 1: of Asia, seven candlesticks, seven stars, seven trumpets, seven spirits

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Speaker 1: before the throne of God's seven horns, seven vials, seven plagues,

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Speaker 1: the Book of Revelation is is essentially one big death

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Speaker 1: metal album cover. UM. In the Spanish myth and fable,

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Speaker 1: you have the island of seven Cities. So where seven

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Speaker 1: bishops fled the moors in Spain to found these seven

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Speaker 1: Seven gifts of the spirit. In Japanese folklore, there are

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Speaker 1: an ancient notion that the soul of man is comprised

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Speaker 1: of seven properties under the influence of again those seven

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Speaker 1: planets that we mentioned, and likewise, the dark lord Voldemort

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Speaker 1: divided his soul into seven hore cruxes. You might remember

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Speaker 1: that part um. There are seven Abdal, the Sumerian guardian

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Speaker 1: I had to eventually just stop because it just it

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Speaker 1: just kept kept going and going. Yeah, but that's all

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Speaker 1: times in a ritual way to to invoke the gods

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Speaker 1: of luck, just consider that this is cultural and it

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Speaker 1: noting that you will remember you maybe remembering a digit,

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Speaker 1: and says, Hi, Julian Robert, I'm a bit behind at times.

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Speaker 1: I am commenting on episodes you did a year ago,

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Speaker 1: but you'll have to forgive me. I've spent the last

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Speaker 1: in West Africa. I recently finished listening to your episodes

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Speaker 1: on the seven Deadly Since and was especially intrigued by

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Speaker 1: the episode on Gluttony. My fellow volunteers and I live

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Speaker 1: mostly in in small rural villages without access to markets

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Speaker 1: or food other than what has grown on the desert

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Speaker 1: like village land or brought in from a large town.

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Speaker 1: Each week, we eat with our host families out of

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Speaker 1: out of communal bowls, and while we usually get just

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Speaker 1: enough calories consumed, it's not the food that we are

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Speaker 1: used to in the United States, and it's not high

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Speaker 1: nutritional value. I think lots of porridge, white rice in oil.

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Speaker 1: So when I go into the cities and meet up

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Speaker 1: with my friends, we binge as a recovering health nut.

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Speaker 1: My sister calls my diet reindeer food. I never out

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Speaker 1: I was capable of that kind of eating. For example,

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Speaker 1: I had an entire jar of nutella in one setting,

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Speaker 1: remarkably easy to do um, something I wouldn't even touch

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Speaker 1: a year ago. My father recently referred to me as

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Speaker 1: as a sumo wrestler during one of my of the

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Speaker 1: many buffets we enjoyed. On implication, I began to call

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Speaker 1: us opportunistic bingers. Here's a nice way of avoiding the

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Speaker 1: word glutton us. Our circumstances that have definitely turned on

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Speaker 1: some evolutionary need may be triggered by being denied what

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Speaker 1: we are used to eating. I think this is true

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Speaker 1: not only of gluttony, but other sins as well. Lust, wrath, sloth,

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Speaker 1: and pride have emerged in our lives far more than

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Speaker 1: ever before because of living in a completely different culture

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Speaker 1: or and living in a completely different lifestyle. This sounds blasphemous,

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Speaker 1: and I mean no disrespect to any religion or to

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Speaker 1: me uh and other volunteers. But maybe we feel a

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Speaker 1: need to be more gluttonous, lustful, wrathful, slothful, and prideful

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Speaker 1: if we are going to maintain our sense of identity

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Speaker 1: in this new and challenging place. Or maybe we're simply

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Speaker 1: more aware of those tendencies here. Sometimes it feels like

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Speaker 1: we haven't changed, We're just using more of the potential

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Speaker 1: of our personalities, both for the worse and for the better.

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Speaker 1: So back to glightening. While most of us are not dieting,

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Speaker 1: our minds and bodies are rebelling, subconsciously demanding the food

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Speaker 1: we are not providing. Meanwhile, my host family and my

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Speaker 1: village is not very interested in the foods I make,

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Speaker 1: and they are perfectly satisfied and happy with the food

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Speaker 1: they're used to. It makes me wonder if it was

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Speaker 1: better to have loved than lost the variety and plethora

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Speaker 1: of food in the US than to never have loved

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Speaker 1: it at all. Does the loss of what we once

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Speaker 1: had make us more sinful in trying to fill the void?

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Speaker 1: Two very big hips in a hurrah for opportunistic eaters everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for the awesome science and stories you keep me

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Speaker 1: entertained and sane during long, hot days in a foreign land.

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Speaker 1: I make connections between the lives of people here in

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Speaker 1: my village and the science you unveil every day, and

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Speaker 1: I feel more informed and at peace because of it.

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Speaker 1: You help me understand this crazy world within the world

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Speaker 1: erin Wow. So that's really interesting. I keep thinking about

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Speaker 1: to one of the studies that talked about when you

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Speaker 1: lose something like of your weight, that you really your

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Speaker 1: body sort of rewires itself to crave fatty foods, to

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Speaker 1: want to regain that weight because it thinks that there's

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Speaker 1: something wrong, and it makes it incredibly hard to maintain

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Speaker 1: that weight. In fact, for someone who is a similar

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Speaker 1: weight but has not lost it, um you have to

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Speaker 1: expand many more calories exercising to maintain than that other

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Speaker 1: person such as your your body trying to make up

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Speaker 1: for this loss. Yeah, indeed, Yeah, I thought that was

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Speaker 1: a great email. I really enjoyed a particularly by the way,

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Speaker 1: you know, Aaron was sort of extrapolating this to the

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Speaker 1: other um sins that that we discussed as well. Yeah. No,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's a very interesting perspective to take. I

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Speaker 1: can't help the of course, thinking about how your body

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Speaker 1: is sort of gaining the gaming, the gluttony part of it, yea. Um.

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Speaker 1: But there's a lot to think about two in terms

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Speaker 1: of maintaining identity. Yeah. Yeah, So Aaron, Uh, first of all,

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Speaker 1: thanks for the great work you're doing out there, and

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Speaker 1: thanks for writing in and sharing your thoughts with us.

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Speaker 1: The rest of you can do the same. Uh. There

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Speaker 1: of course, is go to Stuff to Blow your mind

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Speaker 1: see puppets of us talking in video about science. Really now,

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't be nice. I just got excited. Maybe soon

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Speaker 1: we can that's that's on the table. We could do that.

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Speaker 1: If you think we should do that, let us know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that would be also, I would also be heppy. Please

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