Speaker 1: Smell us now, Lady, Welcome to Meat Eater Trivia.
Speaker 2: The Meta podcast.
Speaker 3: Welcome to our special Thanksgiving episode of Meat Eater Radio Live.
Speaker 3: It's the day before Thanksgiving, coming to you, not quite
Speaker 3: live from the Meat Eater HQ in Bozeman, Montana, because
Speaker 3: we're not coming to work on Thanksgiving Day. We love
Speaker 3: you all, we love our jobs, we love this wonderful company,
Speaker 3: but no thank you. I'm your host, Randall Williams and
Speaker 3: we're joined today by Seth Morris and Corey Caulkins. We've
Speaker 3: got a great show for you today. We're going to
Speaker 3: discuss our favorite Turkey Day cuisine with the turkey in
Speaker 3: the room, We're going to take a look at a
Speaker 3: few listener dishes. We're going to talk to Steve Klein
Speaker 3: of the Eastern Shoreland Concern, and we've got a migration
Speaker 3: report from Matt McCormick. We've got another regrettable tattoo. We've
Speaker 3: got one minute fishing, and then finally the highly anticipated
Speaker 3: Meat Eater Movie Club, where we'll be discussing the nineteenth
Speaker 3: ninety seven survival thriller The Edge. First, I want to
Speaker 3: take a quick pull, Seth, Corey, you guys have any
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving traditions that involve hunting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do one that started recently, meaning last year,
Speaker 4: just the buddies get together and do like a whitetail
Speaker 4: haunt of some sort. Last year was with me, my
Speaker 4: buddy Sam and Chester, and Chester actually killed a thirteen
Speaker 4: point buck on Thanksgiving morning.
Speaker 3: A thirteen pointer. Yeah, so this is a tradition that
Speaker 3: has happened once.
Speaker 4: Well we're doing it this year again. We're doing a
Speaker 4: big dough hunt this year.
Speaker 3: I think you're kind of counting your chickens before they hatch.
Speaker 2: Well, it's happening, Corey.
Speaker 3: What about you. You're not on the camera, but we'll
Speaker 3: just pretend.
Speaker 5: If you are.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I certainly have a tradition that's kind of been paused,
Speaker 6: I guess since I've had a kid, which is who's
Speaker 6: six year old? Six years old? So I can't wait
Speaker 6: to bring this tradition back to life. But growing up
Speaker 6: in western Montana, we would always go out to eastern
Speaker 6: Montana every Thanksgiving weekend and go mule deer hunting. So
Speaker 6: I can't wait to pick that back up here in
Speaker 6: a couple of years with my kid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll be fun.
Speaker 3: We have a Thanksgiving tradition in our house, but it's
Speaker 3: hunting for bargains, especially when there's a great Black Friday sale.
Speaker 3: Just a reminder for all you listeners, we've got the
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Speaker 3: looking for a Christmas gift for special someone, or you're
Speaker 3: just like me and you want to buy stuff that
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Speaker 3: couldn't justify it because maybe it was just a too expensive,
Speaker 3: you can get it now on a discount and your
Speaker 3: conscious will be clear.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 3: Joining us in the studio is a very special guest.
Speaker 3: We have Broken the Turkey, accompanied by our colleague Connor Smith,
Speaker 3: who's an associate at the Meat Eater's store in downtown Bozman.
Speaker 3: Connor also holds the Montana state record for the fortieth
Speaker 3: largest bull elk ever taken and was on episode five
Speaker 3: thirty five of the Meat Eater Podcast. That episode title
Speaker 3: is the Fight to Save Hunting. He is also the
Speaker 3: son of our beloved friend and colleague in the human
Speaker 3: resources department, Alissa Smith, who's been on Meat Eater and Trivia.
Speaker 3: Brogan Connor, welcome to the show.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Uh tell us how's it been going at the Bozeman
Speaker 3: store these days?
Speaker 5: We're doing really good on sales.
Speaker 3: And getting a lot of holiday shoppers. Oh yeah, excellent, excellent.
Speaker 4: Are you guys open over this this Thanksgiving weekend? Oh
Speaker 4: you are Ooh nice tough GI store shopping.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, introduce us to Brogan here. When did I mean,
Speaker 3: what is this thing? Uh? When did you get him?
Speaker 3: What's he like? How many pounds? Would you say? Well,
Speaker 3: we got him about a year ago.
Speaker 7: M h He kind of gobbles a lot.
Speaker 6: Mm hmm, pretty noisy on occasions, and especially in the spring.
Speaker 3: Did you get him as an egg or as a
Speaker 3: as a bird?
Speaker 6: Got him as like a It was like a two
Speaker 6: day old chick or whatever.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, fresh out of the egg.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And then they shipped it to like the ups place
Speaker 6: and you had to go pick him up.
Speaker 3: There, gotcha?
Speaker 2: Hmmm. He's uh got through the mail. Yeah, nice, I've
Speaker 2: done that before with chickens.
Speaker 3: When he came in, his his snood was erect. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he seems now, Uh, just dangling. So he's he's comfortable
Speaker 3: with us at this point. M yeah, I would say so, Uh, Corey,
Speaker 3: you want to try to get this guy to gobble
Speaker 3: here for us? This is just to add some sort
Speaker 3: of seas no festivity to the show here.
Speaker 6: I can try a little some might be a little
Speaker 6: out of season.
Speaker 4: But.
Speaker 3: Always puffing, keep going, keep going with you guys better.
Speaker 3: Oh that's fantastic. Oh man, that's a big bird. Our audience,
Speaker 3: our audience didn't get the privilege of watching this thing
Speaker 3: jump up on the table and take a dominant posture
Speaker 3: over me earlier. So if you're picking up on some
Speaker 3: weird body language right now from me and broken here,
Speaker 3: it's because we almost came to blows just a few
Speaker 3: moments ago. Now, does he have any sort of misgivings
Speaker 3: about the upcoming holiday? Does he know that traditionally Thursday
Speaker 3: of this week all of his fellow countrymen will be
Speaker 3: served on tables around the country. Not really, And if
Speaker 3: you eat turkey around him, he's he doesn't pick up
Speaker 3: on that.
Speaker 5: No, he doesn't realize it.
Speaker 3: Huh, must be easy life for him.
Speaker 2: Does he have any brothers, sisters, friends?
Speaker 3: He's got two different hens. Oh nice family, Yeah, nicely done. Uh,
Speaker 3: I want to hit him with another gobble here, come on,
Speaker 3: go for look at his he's getting mad. That's wonderful. Well, uh, Connor,
Speaker 3: thank you for bringing this turkey into the podcast studio. Here, Phil,
Speaker 3: I think is eager to get this bird out of
Speaker 3: his place of work.
Speaker 1: Well, Karin was out of the room when I said this,
Speaker 1: But if anything, if he did decide he decided he
Speaker 1: needed to relieve himself, I would not be cleaning it up.
Speaker 1: Karin would so, and you know what, I think she'd
Speaker 1: be fine with that and probably happy.
Speaker 2: I think it would be working.
Speaker 3: There's there's a nice role of of cellophane down on
Speaker 3: that seat, just in case there are any sort of
Speaker 3: ventings from the back end of that thing. All right, well,
Speaker 3: thank you again for bringing broken and have a happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having met the Black Friday Rush.
Speaker 6: Happy Thank you guys.
Speaker 3: Alrighty gang, Now we're going to talk about different ways
Speaker 3: that we like to cook Brogan's cousins. This is our
Speaker 3: next segment. Oh Jesus, burn out of here, you guys.
Speaker 3: Calm down a bit here, shake.
Speaker 6: Yeah, your snood looked a little around.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna do a We're going to talk about
Speaker 3: some Thanksgiving foods that we like to cook and we
Speaker 3: like to more importantly eat and for for we're gonna
Speaker 3: do sort of a hybrid segment here of meat eater
Speaker 3: menu and top three we're gonna select. It's going to
Speaker 3: be a competitive top three. So Seth, Corey and myself
Speaker 3: will each draft our top three Thanksgiving foods. Once a
Speaker 3: dish is picked, it's off the table. We're going to
Speaker 3: do it snake draft styles. So we'll begin with Seth,
Speaker 3: come to me, Go back to Seth, come back to me.
Speaker 3: And at the end, Phil will pick a winner, which
Speaker 3: one of us has selected sort of the best medley
Speaker 3: of foods. And I think as you judge this contest,
Speaker 3: you should take into account how they work together. If
Speaker 3: you're going to assemble a plate of leftover, you don't
Speaker 3: have to tell me Randall all right? So are we
Speaker 3: clear on the assignment?
Speaker 2: Boys? Yeah, I'm just going to try to think of
Speaker 2: stuff that Phil like.
Speaker 3: No, don't do that that spoils it, all right?
Speaker 2: I won't.
Speaker 3: But Phil's a solid American. I'm sure that his taste
Speaker 3: buds are very traditional.
Speaker 1: I don't think we need this is an interesting strategy
Speaker 1: because Seth has no idea what my preferences are. So
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see how this turns out to be honest.
Speaker 2: I'll stick with it. I'll just go with what I
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: All right, Seth, Well you're going first. So what's your
Speaker 3: number one pick? Here?
Speaker 4: My number one favorite thing on Thanksgiving is stuffing?
Speaker 3: Stuffing? Ye, excellent choice, excellent choice. Uh any part dealer
Speaker 3: type of stuffing? Do you do like a little sausage
Speaker 3: in there? Do you like do some oyster stuff?
Speaker 4: No meat, just just bread and moist bread and seasoning.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a competitive choice.
Speaker 2: Stuff it in a bird.
Speaker 3: Corey, you got number two.
Speaker 6: Here, candied yam damn?
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 6: All right, going straight for the throne.
Speaker 3: Well, I've got two picks in a row here because
Speaker 3: we're doing this a snake draft. So I'm gonna go
Speaker 3: with gravy. Oh, just heavy brown gravy, brown gravy, and uh,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Okay, man, can we get can we throw in desserts?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go turkey. Yeah, absolutely, I'm gonna go gravy
Speaker 3: and turkey. I feel a little white bread now, I
Speaker 3: feel like I only have one pick left, so I'm
Speaker 3: to have a really boring collection. But I didn't think
Speaker 3: turkey could slip to blow. The fourth pick and gravy
Speaker 3: is an obvious number three choice, So back to you, Corey.
Speaker 6: Now excuse me, gravy out of the path or are
Speaker 6: you making.
Speaker 3: Making gravy driven? Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's what I had down. So pumpkin pie, pumpkin.
Speaker 2: Pie, candied yams, and pumpkin pie.
Speaker 3: Interesting strategy. He's going with a lot of I guess, yam,
Speaker 3: things that grow out of the ground.
Speaker 2: Gordon dishes or in a can or in a can.
Speaker 3: Seth, you got two in a row.
Speaker 2: Green bean cast role that's good out of a can.
Speaker 2: Last pick for something.
Speaker 4: That my mom makes which I don't probably not a
Speaker 4: lot of people do this on Thanksgiving is baked corn.
Speaker 3: Baked corn yep, just like this fantastic dish I wrote
Speaker 3: down baked Pilgrims, baked corn. I should focus on one's
Speaker 3: job at a time.
Speaker 2: I quit the baked Pilgrims a long time ago.
Speaker 3: Corey. It's your final decision here. Last pick.
Speaker 6: Sometimes people just skip straight for the leftover hot turkey sandwiches.
Speaker 6: Day of you know you have your dinner at noon.
Speaker 6: You can still do hot turkey sandwiches by four or
Speaker 6: five pm. So that's my third pick.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we can accept that. I don't
Speaker 1: think we're gonna it's I mean, Randall already claimed turkey,
Speaker 1: and the turkey sandwich is an amalgamation of several different.
Speaker 3: Otherwise, otherwise my first pick would have been Thanksgiving leftover
Speaker 3: hash the day after with poached eggs on top. Well,
Speaker 3: but I'm not doing that because that's a medley of
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving dishes. So pick another. Please, Cranberry sauce. That's that's
Speaker 3: what I thought that was gonna slip through the cracks out.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 4: The best kind is when you you just pop the
Speaker 4: can open. You gotta punch a hole in the bottom
Speaker 4: so it comes out and it's it's the shape of
Speaker 4: the can.
Speaker 2: Oh love that stuff.
Speaker 3: Got it?
Speaker 1: This could make or break you rand on no pressure
Speaker 1: or anything.
Speaker 3: I really screwed up this draft.
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys are missing a pretty big one here.
Speaker 3: I would say mash taters. Yeah, but see now I
Speaker 3: have turkey, gravy and mash taters, which I feel like
Speaker 3: is not a bad.
Speaker 2: It's just not very interesting interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like I feel like if your if
Speaker 3: your school cafeteria was gonna do Thanksgiving dinner, that serve
Speaker 3: what I just picked. So I've got turkey, gravy and
Speaker 3: net mash taters. Corey has cranberry sauce, pumpkin pie and
Speaker 3: candied yams.
Speaker 2: I must have a sweet tothe.
Speaker 3: Seth has stuffing, green bean casserole, baked corn. Phil, do
Speaker 3: you need a minute?
Speaker 1: I had this, This was settled a couple of minutes ago.
Speaker 1: To be honest, I'm just Corey. I'm gonna start with you. Uh,
Speaker 1: You've got the broadest selection. I mean too, I mean
Speaker 1: that's not the right term at all. You're just the
Speaker 1: most unique lineup, I would say. Unfortunately, it's gonna end
Speaker 1: you up in the last place there. I mean, if
Speaker 1: I'm sitting down for a meal, taking all these things
Speaker 1: together into account, I think I'm just walking away with diabetes.
Speaker 2: I mean you you probably am already.
Speaker 1: But that's okay.
Speaker 3: You got cranberry sauce, which doesn't go with your other
Speaker 3: two picks.
Speaker 1: It sure could, Phil, cranberry sauce on my pumpkin pie.
Speaker 2: I haven't tried.
Speaker 3: So, So what you're saying is it's down to me.
Speaker 3: In set it's down to you. It's turkey, gravy taters
Speaker 3: or stuffing, green bean castle and baked corn.
Speaker 1: And we've got Randall with the classic lineup. But here's
Speaker 1: the thing. Seth has my number one pick, which would
Speaker 1: be green bean castle.
Speaker 2: I knew that would hit Phil hard. So the.
Speaker 1: Rub here is I think most stuffing is whack Randall.
Speaker 1: You've got You've got a boring white bread lineup as
Speaker 1: you put it. But it's a classic for a reason.
Speaker 1: Doctor Randall Williams is the winner.
Speaker 3: Be Thanksgiving to me, Phil. We Actually this reminds me
Speaker 3: when I used to deer hunt in Kentucky. Would go
Speaker 3: down my buddy and I would go down every weekend
Speaker 3: leading up to Thanksgiving tom at the same farm, and
Speaker 3: every weekend we would go buy a rotisserie chicken, would
Speaker 3: buy a box of instant mashed potatoes, would buy a
Speaker 3: box of stovetop stuffing, and would buy a thing of
Speaker 3: the jelly cranberries and would just do Thanksgiving and then
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving leftovers every weekend leading up to Thanksgiving with the
Speaker 3: only substitution of the rotisserie chicken. Highly recommend that fantastic
Speaker 3: After you get off the tree stand. You know, cold
Speaker 3: morning sit you have a nice, hearty Thanksgiving meal and
Speaker 3: you can fall asleep for an hour or two.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you gotta watch that trip to fan. Is that
Speaker 6: what it is in Turkey?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's what they say on the internet. All right, Well,
Speaker 3: now that that's settled, we're going to hit some audience
Speaker 3: submissions that of meat Eater menu items that we think
Speaker 3: are appropriate festive. So Phil wants you to bring up our
Speaker 3: first selection here. This is actually not festive at all,
Speaker 3: but it.
Speaker 2: Is Turkey non traditional.
Speaker 3: This is orange turkey like orange chicken, breaded with cornstarch,
Speaker 3: deep fried in peanut oil. This is from Cold Barclay.
Speaker 3: He used fresh navel oranges, marmalade, tamri, and honey for
Speaker 3: the sauce. It's served over Korean sweet potato noodles. And
Speaker 3: actually the Korean sweet potato noodles just did it for me.
Speaker 1: I think that looks terrific.
Speaker 3: I mean, it looks terrific. You can't argue with orange chicken,
Speaker 3: but that kicked it up a notch. Next, we have
Speaker 3: another turkey recipe. This is wild game perlough. Is that
Speaker 3: the correct pronunciation? This is two cups of Andy's White
Speaker 3: House Farms, Charleston gold rice. Oh, that's a mouthful. Some
Speaker 3: homemade wild gamestock from the freezer. Added four or five
Speaker 3: duck breast filets, probably a dozen or so duck aszards
Speaker 3: and hearts, a couple of turkey gizzards and hearts, some
Speaker 3: spicy venison sausage frozen and ground to combine it all
Speaker 3: browned all that meat in the Dutch oven, set it aside,
Speaker 3: and then added pepper, onion, cayenne pepper, and mushrooms. This
Speaker 3: is lovely, tasty, playful little dish. Karinn suggested that this
Speaker 3: you could stuff a turkey with this, which I imagine
Speaker 3: you could do that sure could make a gray side
Speaker 3: dish some dirty rice.
Speaker 1: It looks like many things you could stuff a turkey with.
Speaker 3: And if you don't like turkey, try grouse. Phil hit
Speaker 3: us with that. Next one, O, this is a grouse
Speaker 3: that who's this? Read and Bree shallow grouse from reading
Speaker 3: Bree Shallow shot it in Colorado followed a recipe in
Speaker 3: the Meat Eater Wild Game Cookbook that turned out amazing.
Speaker 3: I would also suggest, if you're still planning your Thanksgiving dinner,
Speaker 3: take a look at the Wild Game Cookbook because there's
Speaker 3: a lot of tasty recipes in there, and we also
Speaker 3: have the pleasure there of seeing Boots the cat hovering
Speaker 3: at about a level. Apparently Boots also got a bite,
Speaker 3: so shout out Boots. And finally we have just a
Speaker 3: very dramatic presentation. This is a black bear with a
Speaker 3: bow from Ashville, North Carolina. This is from Dan Chase.
Speaker 3: He found a recipe for something called Thor's Hammer, which
Speaker 3: is a bear shank smoked like barbecue, served on mashed
Speaker 3: potatoes with smoked onions and gravy from the drippings.
Speaker 6: That looks amazing.
Speaker 2: This looks like it should be like a Halloween meal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the knife plunge, it.
Speaker 3: Does look like like you'd serve this at a Halloween
Speaker 3: party or sort of prop at a hunted house.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well it's good though.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that gravy looks like glue. It's gonna stick to
Speaker 6: your ribs.
Speaker 3: That's what you're looking for. Well, I think that does
Speaker 3: it for our meat Eater menu. Next, we're gonna talk
Speaker 3: to Steve Kline joining us on the line from Centerville, Maryland.
Speaker 3: This is Steve Klein, President of the Eastern Shoreland Conservancy.
Speaker 3: Steve how are you doing. Oh, I'm wonderful.
Speaker 5: I'm getting hungry.
Speaker 3: You should be hungry for some birthday cake, as I
Speaker 3: understand it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is my birthday, guys.
Speaker 3: That's right, So Steve, Steve's coming to us from Centerville, Maryland.
Speaker 3: He also said that we could introduce him as coming
Speaker 3: from second place in the AFC North after an exciting
Speaker 3: Monday night football game. I was watching that last night
Speaker 3: biting my fingernails, wondering what Steve Klein would get today.
Speaker 3: Would we get a Ravens win or a Lamar choke job? Steve? So,
Speaker 3: I'm glad that they pulled out the dub.
Speaker 5: We're not doing that any more.
Speaker 3: Steve, could you tell us for our listeners who aren't familiar,
Speaker 3: what is the quote eastern shore and what are some
Speaker 3: of the challenges facing fish and wildlife in your area?
Speaker 5: Sure?
Speaker 8: So, the eastern Shore of Maryland is the part of
Speaker 8: Maryland you probably didn't know existed.
Speaker 5: It's the rural part.
Speaker 8: The central part of Maryland is kind of Baltimore, Washington.
Speaker 5: It's the ninety five corridor.
Speaker 8: Eastern Shore just means the eastern shore of the Chesapeake
Speaker 8: Bay essentially, and it's a pretty magical place. It is
Speaker 8: very close to a lot of urban centers, but it
Speaker 8: is still very rural, still very agricultural in nature, a
Speaker 8: lot of open space and a place worth protecting, and
Speaker 8: that's what we're doing to the SLC.
Speaker 3: So can you tell us a little bit about your
Speaker 3: organization and how you preserve some of that habitat and
Speaker 3: as working lands that you're talking about, and can you
Speaker 3: clarify for our audience there's a term that gets thrown
Speaker 3: around quite often, a conservation easement. What exactly is that
Speaker 3: and how does the ESLC use that to achieve your
Speaker 3: desired outcomes? There?
Speaker 8: Sure, I think you know. Our organization is the largest
Speaker 8: private regional land trust in Maryland. We serve a sixth
Speaker 8: county region. For anybody familiar with the area, it's Cecil
Speaker 8: County up in the north down to Dorchester County, which
Speaker 8: is where Steven cal did a little Sick of Deer
Speaker 8: Hunting a few years ago for the show. And we
Speaker 8: have protected north of sixty thousand acres in that sixth
Speaker 8: county region. And the way we do that is through
Speaker 8: those conservation easements that you mentioned, Randall, and you know
Speaker 8: what that basically is. It's not more complicated really than
Speaker 8: sitting down with the willing landowner who wants to protect
Speaker 8: their place, and really what does that mean is keep
Speaker 8: it the way it looks, more or less today forever,
Speaker 8: and we will negotiate over the terms of that conservation easement.
Speaker 8: Generally speaking, there is room to you know, leave space
Speaker 8: for a future generation's house, maybe grand kids. You'd love
Speaker 8: to imagine they want to grow up on the farm
Speaker 8: and you can build a house for them. But the
Speaker 8: bulk of that property is going to be held in
Speaker 8: perpetuity by a conservation easement held with the SLC or
Speaker 8: Eastern shore Land Conservancy, and we are fully accredited by
Speaker 8: the Land Trust Alliance. And what that means is that
Speaker 8: our staff is on the ground every year on every
Speaker 8: single easement to make sure that the terms of that easement,
Speaker 8: the legal binding language of that easement, is being met.
Speaker 8: So if you're not supposed to be building in a
Speaker 8: certain area and we come in and we find out
Speaker 8: you have been building there, we've got to get the
Speaker 8: easement back into compliance. That usually is not a problem.
Speaker 8: Our landowners are kind of conservation first, they care a
Speaker 8: lot about their places and they did this, you know, voluntarily.
Speaker 5: But then we do have to work with.
Speaker 8: The landowners when the easements do come out of compliance,
Speaker 8: and usually that's kind of a partnership arrangement, right. We
Speaker 8: don't want to have to, you know, wave our finger
Speaker 8: at anybody or wag our finger at anybody. We prefer
Speaker 8: to work with folks to get them back into compliance.
Speaker 8: But we have three hundred and thirty easements across those
Speaker 8: six counties I mentioned. We just closed on our three
Speaker 8: hundred and thirtieth last week, So we've got somebody, as
Speaker 8: I said, on those, every one of those every year.
Speaker 8: And what's been a game changer for us is drones.
Speaker 8: Oh wow, So you know we can use drones to
Speaker 8: monitor properties twenty years ago, not even that long ago.
Speaker 8: Ten years ago, it would have required you know, our
Speaker 8: staff being out quite literally boots on the ground across
Speaker 8: the whole property. And we've got some easements that are
Speaker 8: five six, seven hundred, one thousand or more acres, So
Speaker 8: that would take, you know, as you can imagine, a
Speaker 8: long time.
Speaker 5: To cover what the drone does.
Speaker 8: As your folks can appreciate, this gives us kind of
Speaker 8: that bird's eye view of the property and and helps
Speaker 8: us see impacts. Frankly, that probably would have gotten missed
Speaker 8: just with you know, buy boots on the ground HM.
Speaker 3: And so you're so essentially what what the easement is
Speaker 3: doing then, is you know, ensuring that a reservoir of
Speaker 3: wildlife habitat stays in those places, especially as I imagine
Speaker 3: in close proximity to an urban area, there's there's fewer
Speaker 3: and fewer areas like that where you have an open,
Speaker 3: working landscape.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I would say in other parts of Maryland that kind
Speaker 8: the kind that come to mind when you think of Maryland.
Speaker 8: It's I'll use Howard County as an example, kind of
Speaker 8: an exurban county along the ninety five corridor that within
Speaker 8: the memories of people that are about our age, they
Speaker 8: can remember being pretty rural. And what we found is
Speaker 8: that if it's not protected, then it's going to be developed.
Speaker 8: That's kind of becomes the bargain. Maybe not today, right,
Speaker 8: but fifty or one hundred years from now, you can
Speaker 8: imagine this land is going to be accounted for in
Speaker 8: some way. But think of conservations been as kind of
Speaker 8: like a deed restriction or a legal document as part
Speaker 8: of your real estate holdings, right, it travels with the
Speaker 8: deed across future owners of the property, and we have
Speaker 8: a number of things that we can write easemans for.
Speaker 8: So we have written easements for agricultural productivity. We want
Speaker 8: to keep farmland farming. We have written it for our
Speaker 8: local endangered species, the del Marva fox squirrel, which has
Speaker 8: been successfully protected, is no longer endangered. We've got we've
Speaker 8: got easements for scenic value. It's really up to what
Speaker 8: that landowner wants to protect, right, that's what we're that's
Speaker 8: what we want to protect as well. And also, when
Speaker 8: you're working in the Chesapeake Bay, water quality is going
Speaker 8: to be a huge piece. So those buffer areas between
Speaker 8: agriculture and the water and between development and the water,
Speaker 8: we want to protect.
Speaker 5: Those as well.
Speaker 8: It's water quality is the name of the game in
Speaker 8: the Chesapeake Bay, as you guys know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now, Steve, you mentioned you just closed your three
Speaker 3: hundred and thirtieth easement. Can you tell us a little
Speaker 3: bit about that one and sort of the backstory there
Speaker 3: so folks can get an idea of what this actually
Speaker 3: looks like.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I uh, this is a property that's
Speaker 8: been in the same family for you know, more or
Speaker 8: less I think one hundred years, and they really want
Speaker 8: to protect their grandfather's vision for this place. And you know,
Speaker 8: that's what makes this work really so spectacular. I worked
Speaker 8: on Capitol Hill in my previous life. That's the capital
Speaker 8: behind me over my fireplace, and that was one kind
Speaker 8: of work. And then you come over here and you're
Speaker 8: meeting with landowners who get sometimes very emotional about their
Speaker 8: farms and their forests and their fields and the idea
Speaker 8: that they're protecting a place where you know, their grandfather
Speaker 8: bought or their great grandfather bought, and they've inherited over
Speaker 8: the years and they're now protecting it for their kids
Speaker 8: and their grandkids. And you know, frankly, family they're not
Speaker 8: ever going to meet, and it'll be something that they
Speaker 8: would be able to recognize forever.
Speaker 5: It gets pretty special. We have got an ease property
Speaker 5: here at.
Speaker 8: Eastern Shoreland Conservancy that has been in the same family
Speaker 8: for I think thirteen or fourteen generations.
Speaker 5: The property has never been on real estate market.
Speaker 8: It was a grant from the King of England and
Speaker 8: it remains in that same family's hands. I mean, really
Speaker 8: that is kind of obviously fish wildlife for the reason
Speaker 8: why I do this work hunting and fishing, but it's
Speaker 8: the human element of what does it mean to protect
Speaker 8: these places, because there's tremendous pressure on this landscape, you know,
Speaker 8: and there's a lot of money to be made on
Speaker 8: this landscape. Generally it implies some kind of development, some
Speaker 8: kind of conversion of use. And to have people say,
Speaker 8: you know, I don't want to take that course, I
Speaker 8: don't want to take that road, it's really really special.
Speaker 5: It's a treat to work with these folks.
Speaker 3: Well, that is meaningful work, Steve, and I'm glad that
Speaker 3: we could share a little bit about what you're doing
Speaker 3: with our audience here. It is delightful to see you, sir.
Speaker 3: I wish you all the best and have a very
Speaker 3: happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker 5: You guys too. Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll see Steve, We'll see a happy birthday.
Speaker 3: Alrighty, now we've got them. Migration report from Matt McCormick.
Speaker 9: Hey guys, I'm Matt McCormick with Flying V and welcome
Speaker 9: to the Meat Eater Migration Report for November twenty six,
Speaker 9: twenty twenty four. As we near the heart of migration season,
Speaker 9: the snow line across Canada continues creeping southward. Heavy snow
Speaker 9: cover blankets much of the North with moderate accumulation moving.
Speaker 7: Through the central provinces.
Speaker 9: The southernmost edge of that snow line right here is
Speaker 9: passing through the prairies and along the US border. Although
Speaker 9: that southern line is kind of patchy right now, like
Speaker 9: here in Montana, the forecast suggests that that won't stay
Speaker 9: that way for long. A powerful Arctic front is expected
Speaker 9: to sweep.
Speaker 7: Through all the North Country in the coming.
Speaker 9: Days, bringing widespread snow and freezing temperatures that will.
Speaker 7: Accelerate the migration southward.
Speaker 9: This incoming weather system is likely to reinforce all that
Speaker 9: ice build up along the northern lakes and rivers, closing
Speaker 9: the remaining sources.
Speaker 7: Of water for all the birds in those central provinces.
Speaker 9: Areas are currently holding snow, free ground and open water,
Speaker 9: particularly in southern Alberta and Saskatchewan, they will see rapid
Speaker 9: changes as temperatures plummet and snow begins to blanket the region.
Speaker 9: This shift will further compress all those staging grounds and
Speaker 9: push that all the birds further down south into all
Speaker 9: those southern portions of the flyway. Listen, guys, for every
Speaker 9: waterfowl hunter across the country, the timing could not be
Speaker 9: better The combination of fresh snow and hard freezes up
Speaker 9: in the North Country is a recipe for strong migration
Speaker 9: days ahead with birds likely with how heavy that frost
Speaker 9: and freeze is to push faster and further in search
Speaker 9: of open water and food sources. We saw today hundreds
Speaker 9: of birds pouring out out of Alberta into the US
Speaker 9: with no passport required. Man, these guys are coming. Keep
Speaker 9: an eye on the weather and be ready. That next
Speaker 9: wave of birds is headed here soon. These are the
Speaker 9: weather fronts we all dream about in the offseason. So
Speaker 9: it's time to pack your gear, calling sick to work
Speaker 9: and hit the field. That's it for this week's migration report.
Speaker 7: Good luck out there, be safe and happy. Thanksgiving back
Speaker 7: to you guys.
Speaker 2: Man that should have been a weather man. Fantastic.
Speaker 3: I know we've got to invest Phil, I know your
Speaker 3: top of the line here for for tech upgrades, but
Speaker 3: I think we could do wonders with a little with
Speaker 3: some green green screen key action.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Kind of remind me of John Madden a little bit.
Speaker 6: He could have been up there.
Speaker 2: A little more like Doppler radar and stuff it. Totally,
Speaker 2: that'd be great.
Speaker 3: Totally. Well, our next segment is tattoos, I regret.
Speaker 10: Oh, yeah, he talk is my old friend looked at
Speaker 10: my tattoo. Lookgain. It really seemed like such a good
Speaker 10: idea when I was drunk last summer and the pizza.
Speaker 10: The tattoo says a person a pot will always find
Speaker 10: more bees. Does that mean it's a tattoo? I regres.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's two weeks in a row on that one.
Speaker 2: It's so good.
Speaker 1: And I think when you take a tattoo break so people
Speaker 1: don't get sick of it, because people get sick of these,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to do more, which you know, I
Speaker 1: guess that's not about no.
Speaker 3: No, Actually I first heard that particular jingle. What would
Speaker 3: you call it? Your your drop, your drop?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 3: Uh, drive down the Paradise Valley. It was dark, the
Speaker 3: road was empty, and I was just watching the lights,
Speaker 3: you know, go by, and man, it really hit, it
Speaker 3: really hit. I'm well. Today's regrettable tattoo comes from day
Speaker 3: Jason Dejardines. Is that de dejar Dan. If you have
Speaker 3: a hunting or fishing related tattoo that you regret, please
Speaker 3: email us at Radiated Radio at the meat Eater dot com.
Speaker 3: I'll repeat that again because I screwed it up. Radio
Speaker 3: at the meadeater dot com.
Speaker 1: What would radiator at the meat eater dot com be
Speaker 1: like selling car parks?
Speaker 3: We need to expand. Yeah, get into.
Speaker 2: A new uh send us your huntry.
Speaker 3: Get into a new sphere.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 3: So this, Jason writes in I thought I would share
Speaker 3: the hunting tattoo I most regret, which is an interesting
Speaker 3: way to put it, because he has it seems that
Speaker 3: he has several hunting tattoos that he regrets, but this
Speaker 3: is the one he most regrets because she had done
Speaker 3: a great job on all of my others. I let
Speaker 3: her do my turkey well. The job she did was fine.
Speaker 3: The placement and lack of scene was not. I trusted
Speaker 3: her judgment and regret it. I should probably regret my
Speaker 3: gnome packing the unicorn tattoo more because it came from
Speaker 3: your t shirt. I even had the gnome hunting the
Speaker 3: unicorn in another tattoo before I got the pack out one,
Speaker 3: so that that actually is an impressively detailed gnome packing
Speaker 3: out a unicorn tattoo got the first. I wish I
Speaker 3: knew the significance of the numbers.
Speaker 1: Here's referencing it correct.
Speaker 3: Six one, four, three on the little thing hen office
Speaker 3: bow there. I don't quite understand what that is.
Speaker 2: Turkey's.
Speaker 3: But here's the turkey he regrets.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing about this turkey. It's tail fan. Appears
Speaker 4: to be a Jake tail fan, and it's got a
Speaker 4: full beard.
Speaker 2: It's got a big beard.
Speaker 6: Oh, and who's the guy in the bushes back behind
Speaker 6: about to shoot one right at.
Speaker 2: The right, shoot one right behind him?
Speaker 3: Well, the geometry of it, yeah, I was gonna say,
Speaker 3: the geometry of it makes me think that that hunter
Speaker 3: is shooting something on his bicep rather than the turkey
Speaker 3: on Or is that a leg? Oh God, that's a leg. No,
Speaker 3: I've I've totally screwed this up. So it's an elbow.
Speaker 2: I think it's an elbow.
Speaker 3: I wish I could see whatever it is at the
Speaker 3: end there, I'd be better able to tell whether it's
Speaker 3: an arm or a leg.
Speaker 6: You gotta wonder if he straightens his arm out, if
Speaker 6: it'll if the point of aim changes.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know this show isn't live, but for
Speaker 1: those watching it live, sound out you think it's an
Speaker 1: armor a leg?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it does sort of look like an ankle
Speaker 3: at the bottom. But now I see that he's probably
Speaker 3: wearing khakis. Yeah it's a wrist. Yeah, I thought this
Speaker 3: was an ankle bone anyway. Anyway, Yeah, I mean, Seth,
Speaker 3: you've pointed out some sort of incongruity here with the
Speaker 3: turkey biologically speaking, and.
Speaker 1: That's that's an inaccuracy. I would not have picked up
Speaker 1: on it just looking at the art. I think that's
Speaker 1: a fine tattoo.
Speaker 2: I know, detail is impeccable. Yes, I know. I wish
Speaker 2: it is good artwork.
Speaker 3: I wish I could see around the corner just to
Speaker 3: get a sense of the full scene. But yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know that he should regret this one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, take it to the grave.
Speaker 3: The hunter, though it is, the aim point is strange.
Speaker 3: It almost made me wonder whether that hunter was part
Speaker 3: of a different scene.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe there was a scene under that turkey that
Speaker 4: he Yeah, he really regretted that one, so he slapped
Speaker 4: the turkey on top.
Speaker 6: There's more ink down there.
Speaker 3: I mean, I will say, of all the tattoos we've
Speaker 3: seen thus far, that's probably the least regrettable, other than
Speaker 3: honking for a bonkin, which I maintain is not regrettable
Speaker 3: in the least. No but Jason, thanks for sharing your
Speaker 3: ink and please if you have a tattoo that you
Speaker 3: regret again, that's radio at the meat eater dot com.
Speaker 1: Did we want to there's a there's a third one
Speaker 1: here that I oh, oh that silly me? Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Now what part of the body is that again?
Speaker 3: That's the gnome?
Speaker 1: You guys can talk about the nome. Well, this thing processes.
Speaker 1: I didn't have the third one ready, I didn't see it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, actually coming up the gnome, I'm not sure that
Speaker 3: if you showed me that, I don't know how that
Speaker 3: varies from the T shirt. I feel like it's a
Speaker 3: fairly uh realistic reproduction of that of of that original artwork.
Speaker 1: Nowother great looking tattoo in my opinion, But here's the
Speaker 1: here's this the third one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this one's incredible.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, So it's a it's a buck.
Speaker 2: I have no clue.
Speaker 3: It's it's a buck skull. And on the right antler
Speaker 3: uh from the viewers right, there is a gnome perched
Speaker 3: up between the G one and G two, and then
Speaker 3: on the crown of the skull, uh, there's a unicorn
Speaker 3: and it seems that the gnome is about to ambush
Speaker 3: this unicorn with an arrow uh and on the left antler.
Speaker 3: From the viewer's perspective, the G one and G two
Speaker 3: look like sort of trees. They've grown into trees, and
Speaker 3: so it's a it's a fantastical setting.
Speaker 1: There's also some names on the UH signatures in there.
Speaker 2: Benjamin M.
Speaker 3: It's missing A. It's missing a bullet hole.
Speaker 4: No, that's that's Kelsey's the originals right there.
Speaker 6: That's not too far off though.
Speaker 3: Well, I I like this. There's a lot going on. Uh,
Speaker 3: there's a lot to look at. Phil What what are
Speaker 3: you getting out of this? You're an art man?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: Actually, I was thinking I have a shirt that looks
Speaker 1: that's like a it's like a tree growing out of
Speaker 1: the ground, but it looks like a hand. There's a
Speaker 1: bunch of like fung guy and trees grown out of
Speaker 1: the out out of the hand. It kind of reminds
Speaker 1: me of that What's.
Speaker 4: Who's Who is this guy's name again, Jason Jason uh Dejad?
Speaker 1: Your tattoos are great, man, I don't I don't think
Speaker 1: these are regrettable at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, fine, he okay, by me. I like these
Speaker 3: they're not they don't take themselves too seriously. That's that's
Speaker 3: one thing that I really feel strongly about in the
Speaker 3: tattoo world, just.
Speaker 1: Like honking for a bum.
Speaker 4: I look at the I just I just see Matt
Speaker 4: McCormick giving a migration update on this one.
Speaker 2: See the birds up top.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, up there, it'd be all.
Speaker 6: Over that they headed north or south.
Speaker 3: Well, the sun is that's all right?
Speaker 1: Oh hey, so so Brady our one minute fisherman, Oh,
Speaker 1: he's here. He's in the call, all right, so we
Speaker 1: can bring him in.
Speaker 3: Our next segment is one Minute Fishing.
Speaker 1: Oh do I feel lucky?
Speaker 5: Well, do you go ahead make.
Speaker 3: My cast.
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 3: One minute Fishing is where we go live to someone
Speaker 3: who's fishing and they have one minute to catch a fish,
Speaker 3: and if they're successful, we'll make a five hundred dollars
Speaker 3: donation to a conservation group. This week, our angler is
Speaker 3: Brady Bush coming to us from Michigan. Brady was on
Speaker 3: Trivia episode six hundred when we recorded from the University
Speaker 3: of Michigan. While we're on the Tailgate tour, and Brady
Speaker 3: will be fishing for a donation to the University of
Speaker 3: Michigan's fishing team. Brady, you look chili. Tell us a
Speaker 3: little bit about where you're standing and what you're fishing
Speaker 3: for today.
Speaker 1: Well, I am standing on a river, on the bank
Speaker 1: of a river.
Speaker 3: And it feels like it's twenty degrees out, so I'll
Speaker 3: be fishing for some baths. But it might be a
Speaker 3: tough But what are you? Now's your what's your rig here? Today?
Speaker 5: Show you here.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be throwing a little jig.
Speaker 2: All right, nice?
Speaker 3: Nay, Yeah, looks good.
Speaker 9: Guessing the water's pretty cold, so they'll probably be right
Speaker 9: on bottom.
Speaker 2: See what we can do.
Speaker 3: Alrighty sir, Well, your one minute will begin with your
Speaker 3: first cast, So whenever you're ready, I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna have my dad hold the video for me.
Speaker 3: Fantastic, Were all good, yes, sir.
Speaker 1: Whenever you're ready and.
Speaker 3: We're off.
Speaker 2: Cast.
Speaker 3: It's very relaxed.
Speaker 6: Yeah, what a calm evening out.
Speaker 3: Well, I was speaking more about his body language and
Speaker 3: demeanor with that first cast. Casually hugged it out there.
Speaker 2: It's like he's been there before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he knows that you can't you can't force it.
Speaker 4: Ope, he's bringing it in cast to the sun looks
Speaker 4: low in the sky.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's when the hogs come out to play right here.
Speaker 3: He's working it. We've got twenty eight seconds, thirty seconds. Sorry,
Speaker 3: this is counting upwards, which is unconventional. Same spot, another cat,
Speaker 3: what's going on? Fifteen seconds left here? Come on, come on, Brady,
Speaker 3: don't let us down.
Speaker 6: Seven seconds five full three two one man, it's not easy, Brady,
Speaker 6: times up, buddy.
Speaker 1: You know what, You're not alone. We're in kind of
Speaker 1: a slump.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're in a slump right now. That's why we
Speaker 3: we went to you. We thought you'd be at the
Speaker 3: golf corresponding. You could break our you could break our
Speaker 3: slump here.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: I wish I could go to the secret spot. I'll
Speaker 1: save that for will.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, you guys stay warm there and have a
Speaker 3: very have a very happy Thanksgiving. Say hi to the boys,
Speaker 3: and we'll catch you next time. Sir, Thank you.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Go blue.
Speaker 5: Oh h.
Speaker 4: Somebody says, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we are good kid,
Speaker 4: good kid, tough fishing this time of years tough.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. I know when we launched this segment, I
Speaker 3: don't think there was a lot of forethought put into seasonality.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think things will pick back up when
Speaker 4: we can start drilling holes or we're gonna have to
Speaker 4: go south.
Speaker 3: We should go south. That's in the budget, right, yeah.
Speaker 4: Or find people right after we get that, we get
Speaker 4: that green screen practical, we'll get a couple.
Speaker 3: Of bus tickets. All right, gang, It's the moment you've
Speaker 3: all been waiting for. It's the Meat Eater Movie Club.
Speaker 6: I've been on the edge of my seat.
Speaker 5: There we are.
Speaker 3: This week. We're reviewing the nineteen ninety seven film The Edge,
Speaker 3: and I was trying to decide whether I should read
Speaker 3: this faster because a lot of people hate this and
Speaker 3: there are a lot of comments to that effect, and
Speaker 3: then a lot of people love it. So I thought,
Speaker 3: maybe I should try to do a better job of
Speaker 3: just articulating and pronouncing. Pronounce Jesus. At any event, we're
Speaker 3: just going to do it live. The Edge nineteen ninety
Speaker 3: seven employes the cliche genre of a classic survival thriller
Speaker 3: to probe fundamental questions about civilization, knowledge, and human nature
Speaker 3: through David Mammett's characteristically precise dialogue. The film explores how
Speaker 3: different forms of power, intellectual, physical, and financial, operate when
Speaker 3: stripped of social context. The film follows billionaire Charles Morse,
Speaker 3: played by Anthony Hopkins, and fashion photographer Bob Green played
Speaker 3: by Alec Baldwin, as they struggle to survive in the
Speaker 3: Alaskan wilderness after a plane crash. Their battle against the
Speaker 3: Elements and a relentless coodiac Bear is complicated by a
Speaker 3: profound psychological tension, as Bob's apparent desire for Charles's wealth
Speaker 3: and his wife played by Alla McPherson, creates a dangerous
Speaker 3: undercurrent of mistrust. Charles embodies accumulated learning and wealth, while
Speaker 3: Bob represents a more instinctual physical presence. Their dynamic grows
Speaker 3: increasingly complex as the cruelties of the wilderness erode social hierarchy.
Speaker 3: Charles's encyclopedic knowledge, initially presented as a trivial freak to
Speaker 3: use his words, becomes the Paris Salvation, challenging conventional assumptions
Speaker 3: about practical mastery versus theoretical expertise. In doing so, Mammut's
Speaker 3: script clearly subvert excuse me cleverly subverts expectations about masculine competence.
Speaker 3: The Kodiak Bear in the Edge operates as both a
Speaker 3: flesh and blood antagonist and a metaphysical force embodying nature's
Speaker 3: indifference to humankind. More than just a predator. It represents
Speaker 3: what lies beyond society's boundary, raw, a moral power that
Speaker 3: cannot be reasoned with or bought off. As Charles and
Speaker 3: Bob are stalked by this formidable beast and then in
Speaker 3: turn lay a deadly trap for it, their own relationship
Speaker 3: mirrors the same predator prey dynamic, suggesting that the line
Speaker 3: between civilized man and savage beast is more permeable than
Speaker 3: we'd like to admit. The bear's unflinching pursuit of the
Speaker 3: men becomes a test of both moral and mortal survival,
Speaker 3: not just whether they can kill it, but whether they
Speaker 3: can do so without becoming similarly savage themselves. Here I'm
Speaker 3: referencing a line from the film where Anthony Hopkins screams
Speaker 3: kill the m effort. Early in the film, a curiously
Speaker 3: disfigured lodge owner claims that once a bear tastes human flesh,
Speaker 3: it desires nothing else. This claim foreshadows the metaphorical taste
Speaker 3: for blood that develops between Charles and Bob, suggesting how
Speaker 3: single transgression of violence can then become habitual. Don't worry,
Speaker 3: I only have a page left. Perhaps most significantly, the
Speaker 3: film explores a question that has been central to Western
Speaker 3: intellectual life since the Enlightenment, What is the relationship between
Speaker 3: civilized man and the state of nature. Charles's fortune, rendered
Speaker 3: meaningless in the while in the wild, previously insulated him
Speaker 3: from precisely these primal confrontations. Yet his intellectual curiosity, perhaps
Speaker 3: a luxury afforded by that wealth, provides tools for survival
Speaker 3: that mere physical prowess cannot match. The mounting tension between
Speaker 3: Charles and Bob reveals how quickly civilized behavior can erode
Speaker 3: when social structures disappear. Their struggle moves beyond mere survival
Speaker 3: to encompass questions of moral choice. Does civilization represent a
Speaker 3: genuine conquest of our baser instincts? Or is it merely
Speaker 3: a thin veneer covering them? Up here? I'm sure we're
Speaker 3: all thinking that. There's a striking parallel between Mammitt's screenplay
Speaker 3: and Joseph Conrad's eighteen ninety nine novella The Heart of Darkness,
Speaker 3: which provides a rich interpretive framework for The Edge. Both
Speaker 3: works examine what happens when civilized men are forced to
Speaker 3: confront wilderness and their own savage potential. Like Marlow's Journey Upriver.
Speaker 3: In the Belgian Congo, Charles and Bob's trek through Alaska
Speaker 3: strips away social pretense to reveal underlying truths about human nature.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna skip last couple bits p here, but I
Speaker 3: found it interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can go on, No, you should.
Speaker 3: Just as Kurtz goes native and reveals the savagery underlying
Speaker 3: European colonialism, Bob's veneer of sophistication cracks to reveal his
Speaker 3: own predatory intentions. Charles, like Marlow, maintains his civilized perspective
Speaker 3: while recognizing darker truths. His survival depends on acknowledging and
Speaker 3: confronting these truths, rather than denying them. While both works
Speaker 3: depict civilized facades cracking under pressure, they arrive at different
Speaker 3: conclusions about whether such events reveal civilization's fundamental hollowness or
Speaker 3: tests its and strength. The key distinction is that, while
Speaker 3: Conrad suggests civilization itself is built on a foundation of savagery,
Speaker 3: the Edge allows for the possibility that there is something
Speaker 3: more to civilization than mere social pretense. The film's resolution
Speaker 3: in Charles's final acts of mercy and Sacrifice suggests that
Speaker 3: the true, inextinguishable core of civilization is not the trappings
Speaker 3: of wealth and learning, but our capability for moral choice
Speaker 3: in the absence of those trappings.
Speaker 6: So that's the end, well said, took the words right
Speaker 6: out of my mouth.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you take it home.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you guys support. I was beginning to get
Speaker 3: a bit self conscious. I think I've taken this too
Speaker 3: far and we need to scale it back a little bit.
Speaker 2: I disagree now.
Speaker 3: In preparation for this segment, other than composing that, I
Speaker 3: looked at a review from Roger Ebert, who gave it
Speaker 3: three out of four stars, and he actually hit on
Speaker 3: one of the points I wanted to discuss in this film, Saul,
Speaker 3: he writes better than I could, he says, having successfully
Speaker 3: negotiated almost its entire one hundred and eighteen minutes, the
Speaker 3: Edge shoots itself in the foot after the emotionally fraught
Speaker 3: final moments, just as we're savoring the implications of what
Speaker 3: has happened, the screen fades to black and we immediately
Speaker 3: get a big credit for quote Bart the Bear. Now,
Speaker 3: Bart is one hell of a bear. I loved him
Speaker 3: in the title role of the Bear, but this credit
Speaker 3: in this place is a spectacularly bad idea. Did anybody else?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 2: There's an emotional scene, incredibly poignant line, and then it
Speaker 2: fades to just say, here's running down hopkins face.
Speaker 3: It says, thanks to Bart the bear this film. The
Speaker 3: original title for it was Bookworm.
Speaker 2: You know he does love to read.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he spends the first third of the movie reading
Speaker 1: that book as secretary gave him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's called Bookworm, and it was written for the screen.
Speaker 3: The all inter titles were Wild Wilder, the Wild, Into
Speaker 3: the Wild, Wilderness, Now Dead, Hunt, Deadfall on the Precipice,
Speaker 3: Over the Precipice, Edge, the Edge on the Edge, the
Speaker 3: Bear Roared, the Bear in the Brain, and Bloody Betrayal.
Speaker 3: I think the Edge is probably the best.
Speaker 1: Of Yeah, it kind of a it suggests a precipice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's that's good.
Speaker 3: Harrison Ford and Dustin Hoffman both turned the role played
Speaker 3: by Hopkins down. De Niro Robert Denier actually read for Hopkins' part,
Speaker 3: but he was too concerned that having an animatronic bear
Speaker 3: wouldn't work with viewers, and so he turned down. For
Speaker 3: that reason, he was reluctant to work with a he
Speaker 3: thought it would just deflate the film. Alec Baldwin showed
Speaker 3: up for shooting this with a full beard, and he
Speaker 3: refused to shave it. They almost shut down production and
Speaker 3: brought in Bill Pullman. The belief among the cast was
Speaker 3: that Baldwin had recently gained some weight and he was
Speaker 3: self conscious about maybe some extra weight around Jobbler and
Speaker 3: when he was told to shave the beard, according to
Speaker 3: Vanity Fair, he said, quote mffing, movie producer. I knew
Speaker 3: this was coming the b and these are obviously the
Speaker 3: full expletive the BS Hollywood mentality, telling me, m effort,
Speaker 3: no talent, mffing. How predictable to see that good old
Speaker 3: Hollywood integrity at work. Wow, So Baldwin acting as Baldwin does.
Speaker 3: And then finally my last bit of research that I'll
Speaker 3: share with you before we dive in. According to the
Speaker 3: Trainer Bear trainer Lynn Seuss, she said that Hopkins quote
Speaker 3: acknowledged and respected Bart like a fellow actor. He would
Speaker 3: spend hours just looking at Bart and admiring him. He
Speaker 3: did so many of his own scenes with Bart.
Speaker 2: Love it.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: I also read that this was his second movie with Bart.
Speaker 2: After that was what I.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were reunited. I went into this thing. Oh,
Speaker 3: it's Baldwin and Mammot here. We're gonna boot up Glengarry
Speaker 3: Glenn Ross. But I didn't realize that there was also another. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the real was more recently, and it was Legend The
Speaker 3: Fall Bart the Baron, Anthony Hopkins.
Speaker 1: Gentlemen, Uh, really really quick, because just just right up top.
Speaker 1: I normally I kind of hate the argument that a
Speaker 1: movie is bad because it is unrealistic. Like you sit
Speaker 1: down and watch a movie or play, you're already suspending disbelief.
Speaker 1: Is it like we're watching people pretend to be other people,
Speaker 1: pretend to laugh and cry and say words that they're
Speaker 1: not actually thinking. But that being said, I think part
Speaker 1: of the assignment here is that a lot of the
Speaker 1: stuff in this movie is ludicrous, which which I think
Speaker 1: we'll dive into.
Speaker 3: I felt the same way about Star Wars at A
Speaker 3: lot of it's in the details.
Speaker 1: Yes, much like the Jake tail feather you just called up.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's not something I would have noticed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of us the details.
Speaker 1: Like I feel like it's Steve always, you know, the Revenant, Stephen.
Speaker 1: The Revenant's a big thing, But I feel like most
Speaker 1: of Steve's beef with the Revenant, is that like, oh
Speaker 1: that doesn't look like North Dakota or whatever. Not that
Speaker 1: the movie is like is up its own ass and
Speaker 1: work for you know, a bunch of other reasons.
Speaker 3: But I think this movie rocks spellbinding scenery.
Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Remember when movies used to be shot on location? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: The headquarters for the filming was can Moore, Alberta. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and they filmed some of it in Baff and around Baff,
Speaker 3: but they filtered those ewalk village looking lodges specifically for
Speaker 3: the film.
Speaker 6: Really yeah, the one on stilts in the river bottom?
Speaker 3: Well did all of the buildings were just built out
Speaker 3: of like raw? I mean, the docks were outrageous. But
Speaker 3: just getting ahead of myself here. Initial thoughts on the film?
Speaker 3: What was your reaction, Seth. I hadn't seen it before.
Speaker 4: I seen it, No, I watched it for the first
Speaker 4: time last night. I just couldn't help but pick out
Speaker 4: all the details that were just so wrong in this film.
Speaker 4: It was overall, it was it was a cool film, entertaining,
Speaker 4: not my favorite, but.
Speaker 2: Lots of details. Yeah, like from the beginning all the
Speaker 2: way to the.
Speaker 3: End, Corey, you've seen this several times, but this was
Speaker 3: the first time not edited for television, so you got
Speaker 3: to enjoy the full mamm At screenplay.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and the you know coin curse words there are
Speaker 6: maybe everybody's favorite part.
Speaker 3: Oh you just get that mother effort?
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, no, I've seen it probably ten times,
Speaker 6: nine in a row on AMC. And then this was
Speaker 6: the first time getting to watch it unedited raw on Amazon.
Speaker 3: That was great, much richer experience. I sure, I'm sure.
Speaker 6: And it's been remastered, so yeah, the cinematography was gorgeous.
Speaker 3: What what about I mean, I'm sure we have plenty
Speaker 3: of things to pick at from an unrealistic perspective, but
Speaker 3: what for you guys? Was there anything that you thought
Speaker 3: was redeemable from an out and experienced outdoorsman's point of view?
Speaker 4: Well, like things are where things that worked for you
Speaker 4: and you didn't go this is absurd?
Speaker 2: Oh I thought. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I thought they did a great job honestly keeping it,
Speaker 6: keeping it pretty realistic.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of mine.
Speaker 4: I mean, I go, I have a list of stuff
Speaker 4: that I was just jotted down when I was sure
Speaker 4: watching the movie.
Speaker 3: Sure, well we can. Why don't we go into what's unrealistic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can go Yeah, I can talk about that
Speaker 4: more than the realistic stuff. Lots of things were wrong
Speaker 4: with the plane, like the whole all the scenes in
Speaker 4: the plane, one of them being when they're just in
Speaker 4: the cockpit all talking to one another and the pilot
Speaker 4: like didn't have his head set on and no one
Speaker 4: else head of your muffs. That's not how it works.
Speaker 2: They're not screaming out it's so loud inside. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: doesn't work, tough.
Speaker 3: Let's see criticure.
Speaker 4: The guy who owns the lodge said he wasn't hunting.
Speaker 4: He would be out hunting, but he's not hunting because
Speaker 4: his rifle wasn't sighted in. They asked him why his
Speaker 4: rifle was in sighted in because he said he didn't
Speaker 4: have a bench rest.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and then Anthony Hopkins said, an ironing board
Speaker 3: makes a good ben yeah or anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ironing board might be kind of flimsy.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: They kept saying it's a Kodiak bear. Yeah. I thought
Speaker 2: that was a red flag. They would. They would multiple times.
Speaker 4: They showed it snowing down low along the river and
Speaker 4: they'd get up in the high country, looked like it's summer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a very uh. I thought the vegetation
Speaker 3: also was strangely inconsistent. Yeah, they just go from like
Speaker 3: conifers to aspens and I Sydney and I had a
Speaker 3: long conversation trying to figure out what season it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, same, which that plays into another point. One more thing.
Speaker 4: Though, the the squirrel that they trapped was a grey squirrel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a great It was a great basket trap.
Speaker 4: Away from it, it kept me thinking, whatever happened to
Speaker 4: that squirrel?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that when the helicopter came out, right, Yeah, they
Speaker 6: were so close to a meal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then yeah, I stopped taking notes after this point.
Speaker 4: But the first from the time that they wrecked the
Speaker 4: plane till their first meal was the flesh from the
Speaker 4: grizzly bear. Yeah, which seemed like a lot of days,
Speaker 4: but I don't I couldn't hard track, I couldn't keep trapping.
Speaker 1: Were a few nights, yeah, I think it was only
Speaker 1: two or three nights before they killed the bear. Yeah,
Speaker 1: unless there was some sort of time skipping that happened.
Speaker 4: But yeah, and the only time they they kind of
Speaker 4: stopped for water is the waterfall they come across, like
Speaker 4: up in the Highkon tree and they kind of just
Speaker 4: like wipe their face with it.
Speaker 2: They don't ever really drink.
Speaker 3: Oh I liked it, didn't I believe Alec Baldwin told
Speaker 3: the other guy to stop drinking, didn't He like the
Speaker 3: he's like drinking from the water and he's like, come on,
Speaker 3: what are you guys doing?
Speaker 1: I think I think, I mean Alec Baldwin, notorious asshole.
Speaker 1: I think he's great in this movie. Oh yeah, it's
Speaker 1: such a hard part to pull off. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: like like the biggest asshole bit, but he doesn't like
Speaker 1: very realistically and with just like I mean, he just
Speaker 1: puts it all.
Speaker 3: Out, smarmy, smarmy Lithario.
Speaker 1: And the behind the scenes you know, gossip plays into
Speaker 1: that a lot.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I like, yeah, those didn't look like blanks
Speaker 6: that he was loading into his lever action either.
Speaker 2: To no no no.
Speaker 3: So I I mean I thought probably one of my
Speaker 3: favorite parts of the film was the spike ball attack
Speaker 3: that they's done the bear. Like, of all the traps
Speaker 3: that they were going to make for the bear.
Speaker 2: Was that just to piss it off or it was
Speaker 2: they trying to get.
Speaker 3: I think they're trying to kill it. But what the
Speaker 3: problem is is those spike balls had only previously been
Speaker 3: deployed in Return of the Jedi by.
Speaker 5: The e.
Speaker 3: The at Sts, I believe, the Chicken Walkers. Yeah. So
Speaker 3: I was struck by the similarity between that little booby
Speaker 3: trap and Return of the Jedi. And then I was
Speaker 3: also struck by he was like describing and he showed
Speaker 3: that photo of how he wanted to kill the bear,
Speaker 3: and I was like, he's just gonna Brave Heart the Bear,
Speaker 3: which Brave Heart came out two years before this, and
Speaker 3: they like one of the most like jaw dropping scenes
Speaker 3: in the film is when they raised all the sticks
Speaker 3: and all the charging horses getting paled on the sticks,
Speaker 3: and then they just used that same trick on Old Bart,
Speaker 3: which I mean.
Speaker 2: Killed Bart instantly. It was cool, It was cool, but
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: Like, do you think there was like a missing like
Speaker 1: a deleted scene where he and Alec Balder were saying, hey,
Speaker 1: you saw Braveheart, right, Yeah?
Speaker 3: I just thought I just thought it was Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 3: I mean we talk about this as being the glory
Speaker 3: days of when there wasn't a CGI and when we
Speaker 3: had original screenplays, and I was like, man, they should
Speaker 3: have just done something else to kill the bear that
Speaker 3: didn't look like Braveheart.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, Bart did a hell of a job in that movie.
Speaker 3: Incredible.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: Although I thought that if I had to pick bone
Speaker 3: with Bart's performance, I thought that frequently his facial expressions
Speaker 3: were hard to parse. There were sometimes like when he
Speaker 3: was bouncing the log and it just looked like he
Speaker 3: was sort of like smiling.
Speaker 6: I'm sure he was playing with it.
Speaker 1: Some of those shots though, with his lipsticking Alley, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that was terrifying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean real bears and movies. It's just
Speaker 3: what are we doing?
Speaker 2: After they killed Bart, I was shocked.
Speaker 1: And how fast they Oh yeah, yeah, I say I
Speaker 1: was a lukewarm on this movie until it cut to
Speaker 1: them wearing the Highway and I.
Speaker 2: Was like, this movie rips.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this makes no sense at all, and I'm
Speaker 1: here for it.
Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah, that's what it alive to me,
Speaker 2: And I was fully bought in.
Speaker 3: He at some point he yeah, Alec Baldwin adopts sort
Speaker 3: of an apron and cape.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then Anthony Hopkins wears a leather tunic like a
Speaker 3: like a viking. And I also thought there were a
Speaker 3: couple of times in the movie where like they both
Speaker 3: went through very obvious like shifts in how they were
Speaker 3: playing these characters and it was just like whoa, he
Speaker 3: got weird all of a sudden. And at the end
Speaker 3: of the film, I kept thinking that Anthony Hopkins was
Speaker 3: Sean Connery because he just sort of adopted this like
Speaker 3: Sean Connery persona.
Speaker 1: I mean it was, you know, it's a it's a
Speaker 1: classic sort of you know, unlikely pair. I mean, Anthony
Speaker 1: Hopkins is clearly like on the spectrum in some sort
Speaker 1: of way. And also did they ever say what he
Speaker 1: does or is he just a rich guy?
Speaker 3: No, the guy's like I liked it at the beginning,
Speaker 3: Like the grubby guy working at the floatplane dock was
Speaker 3: just like Earth the airplane hanging. He's like, you're Charles Morse,
Speaker 3: the billionaire.
Speaker 2: Let's just establish our characters.
Speaker 3: To your point about him being sort of spectromy for
Speaker 3: lack of a better term, I thought that Anthony Hopkins
Speaker 3: character was very similar to Hannibal Lecter.
Speaker 2: Yes, a little bit.
Speaker 3: They're both big readers. They retain everything they read, they
Speaker 3: have a photographic memory, and they're sort of eccentric geniuses
Speaker 3: that obviously have a difficult time connecting with people in
Speaker 3: a genuine way. I saw this and I thought, man,
Speaker 3: no wonder Hopkins got cast for this role.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you really feel bad for him towards the end too.
Speaker 6: I mean, oh, new buddy that he's stuck in the
Speaker 6: woods with tries to kill him for his wife, and.
Speaker 3: I think, I'm just sorry this is going on. I
Speaker 3: have two more reactions.
Speaker 1: A little one plenty of time.
Speaker 3: One, if you're cheating on your spouse, don't get the
Speaker 3: spouse a watch that says happy Birthday. And then that
Speaker 3: your adulter or I guess adult adultering partner a watch
Speaker 3: at the same time, and the same receipt has both
Speaker 3: of them, and the one says for your birthday, the
Speaker 3: other one says for all.
Speaker 4: Thanks for all the nights, Just like, don't get a
Speaker 4: watch that says I committed adultery with you, wink nice
Speaker 4: like like you.
Speaker 1: You were talking about the performances being all over the place.
Speaker 1: You're you're right, But it kept me on my toes
Speaker 1: because I was wondering, like, Okay, is Baldwin's character going
Speaker 1: to just be an asshole throughout the whole movie? And
Speaker 1: then but you know, there's a point after they kill
Speaker 1: the bear and they're they're wearing the Yeah, they're they're
Speaker 1: their buddies for life now. And then when he does
Speaker 1: find find that that receipt, I mean that that scene
Speaker 1: is is completely over the top, but I love how
Speaker 1: they frame it in the foreground with Balden like slowly
Speaker 1: loading the rifle. Yeah, Hawkins is reading the receipt and
Speaker 1: the cameras it looks up at it, and then the
Speaker 1: other thing.
Speaker 3: As far as how he's a billionaire, I got some
Speaker 3: sense to that by that sandwich he made at the beginning.
Speaker 3: He put yeah, she asked him she's laying in bed,
Speaker 3: which if I were him, I would be like, this
Speaker 3: is the most that was. I thought the most unrealistic
Speaker 3: part of the movie is this beautiful woman lays down
Speaker 3: in bed and pulls the blankets up to her chin
Speaker 3: and says, would you go get me a sandwich? But
Speaker 3: then he goes down and he's got a big ham
Speaker 3: to carve from, and he takes two like silver dollar
Speaker 3: sized pieces of ham and puts them side by side
Speaker 3: on the bread like they're fried eggs, and that's his sandwich.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, no, wonder this guy has a billion
Speaker 3: dollars in the bank because he's too cheap to make
Speaker 3: an actual sandwich.
Speaker 2: Good for him?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I found that to be very odd, the
Speaker 4: sandwich request, but that I guess it made sense because
Speaker 4: they wanted to get him down in the kitchen so
Speaker 4: they could yeah, surprise.
Speaker 3: But if I were him, he took it like this
Speaker 3: is a everyday thing. Yeah, it was just like, oh,
Speaker 3: your midnight sandwich, of course.
Speaker 2: Already, and you probably brush your teeth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the eighties or I guess the late nineties.
Speaker 3: Nobody brushed their teeth back then, my memory serves. So
Speaker 3: would you recommend this movie to someone's fellow outdoorsman? Could
Speaker 3: you recommend it to them without losing all of your credibility?
Speaker 2: It would be low on the recommendation list for me.
Speaker 6: For me, but if you're even just the least bit baranoid,
Speaker 6: I wouldn't watch it.
Speaker 1: Phil, What do you got big movie star performances in
Speaker 1: a movie shot on location. It's it's a relic of
Speaker 1: the past that I think we need to hold on to. Yep,
Speaker 1: I give it thumbs up. I recommend it.
Speaker 3: I mean, you guys texted me to ask if we
Speaker 3: were still doing media or movie club when I was
Speaker 3: about an hour and ten and it's into this thing,
Speaker 3: and I was so pumped at that point in time.
Speaker 3: It's rare. Is it there a movie where I'm just like,
Speaker 3: I wonder how much of this is left? You know?
Speaker 3: Or I'm sorry?
Speaker 10: Rare?
Speaker 3: Is there a movie where I don't ask myself how
Speaker 3: much of this is left?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I followed along. I thought it killed the time pretty quickly,
Speaker 3: and I was enjoyable, and I would recommend it. I'll
Speaker 3: watch it again.
Speaker 4: I gotta say, when I was watching it, there wasn't
Speaker 4: a point in time where I'm like wanting to shut
Speaker 4: it off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no dull moments. Yeah yeah. That's the highest
Speaker 3: compliment you can pay a film. Yeah, as a cinema
Speaker 3: file these days, especially well, gang, I'm glad. I took
Speaker 3: nine pages of notes on that apologize for the lengthy intro.
Speaker 3: But listeners out there, if you're in the chat way
Speaker 3: in with your thoughts on the edge, and with that,
Speaker 3: I think that's all we have for today's show. So
Speaker 3: have a very very happy Thanksgiving. Know that we are
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Speaker 3: and friends and loved ones.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Happy Thanksgiving folks.
Speaker 3: That's about as sentimental as I'll get. Meet her to
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