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Speaker 1: and that it's it's about a death and the questioning

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Speaker 1: of what potentially happens after that. Today I welcome special

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Speaker 1: guest Andy from Manchester Orchestra. How are you, hi, Kesha,

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Speaker 1: how are you? I'm good? I think I'm good. It's

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Speaker 1: a debatable answer. I think I think everything. I agree. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's pretty good today. These are all right good?

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Speaker 1: And where are you joining us from? That are about

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Speaker 1: our studio in Atlanta. Thank you for joining us. This

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Speaker 1: is a show about really anything supernatural, but also spiritual

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Speaker 1: or unexplainable or is. The things that excite me the

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Speaker 1: little intangible and yeah, absolutely things you can't quite put

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Speaker 1: into words. So I decided to talk about it a bunch,

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Speaker 1: even all the stuff you can't really put into words.

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Speaker 1: But I think as musicians we kind of do that. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: I totally agree. I think it's funny. When I got

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Speaker 1: the description of the show, um, it was like, you know,

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Speaker 1: alien and ghosts are you know, highly encouraged. We talked

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Speaker 1: about I'm like, well, our newest song, the chorus says,

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Speaker 1: ghosts and then a single from our last records, The Alien.

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Speaker 1: So do you believe in the supernatural? What's your experience

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Speaker 1: and your relationship with the supernatural? Yeah, I mean certainly,

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Speaker 1: I think that there's a lot of stuff going on

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Speaker 1: I probably feel the closest to to some connection too.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's like a purpose, ultimate purpose, or like what

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Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be here. And I'm sure you know,

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Speaker 1: being a songwriter yourself, there's there are moments where like

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Speaker 1: then there's other times where it's like I think I

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Speaker 1: might have just like plugged into something here that wasn't

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Speaker 1: wasn't It doesn't really belong to me, and it's in

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Speaker 1: a weird way, you know, there's no ownership, Especially when

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Speaker 1: that happens, like where I call it, like things fall

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Speaker 1: out of my face that don't belong to me exactly. Well,

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Speaker 1: and especially if you know right away that it's great,

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Speaker 1: then it's like, Okay, something just happened here, you know,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know if there's a difference between I

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Speaker 1: don't know if one or the other makes the other better.

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Like, do you think the songs

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Speaker 1: that come out of you like that, or do you

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Speaker 1: think they're on the same kind of level playing just

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Speaker 1: different experiences. It's kind of like, I don't know. I'm

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Speaker 1: fire quick things that I've worked on some songs for

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Speaker 1: that thing. Oh please divert. By the way, this podcast

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Speaker 1: is about talking about whatever. To me, spirituality is song

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Speaker 1: making songs, so that's not diverting at all. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: very much. We she was in Atlanta working on something

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Speaker 1: loved one, then it is that's really helpful to know

427
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 1: you're not alone in some things. Life fucking weird and

428
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: hard and fun and beautiful, but we're also like existentially alone.

429
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 1: It's so nice to feel like you have some camaraderie

430
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 1: and companionship in all the emotions. Absolutely, And I feel

431
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 1: like those years the hardest years for me. I guess

432
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: during that period of time was like probably like sixteen

433
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 1: to twenty four when it was just like I don't

434
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: think I had more alone during that period of just like, man,

435
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: I don't think that I can I actually relate to anyone,

436
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: And I think that that's such a well, I'm just

437
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: my a d h D is now kicking into but

438
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 1: it's sort of the live in it. I live in

439
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 1: it all day every day. You just go there's no

440
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: judgment here, you know, when like having younger fans, I

441
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: always felt like that sort of got a bad connotation

442
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: for certain artists, that like that was something that you know,

443
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: was like not a good thing, And it was like, man,

444
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 1: when did you like music or connect to music more

445
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 1: than during that period of time, Like obviously I connect

446
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: to music in a way different way and maybe even

447
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: deeper way now, but maybe not, Like I had just

448
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: been something magical about that period of time that like

449
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: I wasn't ever thinking about what the snare drum sounded like,

450
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 1: for like if the lead singer was singing out a

451
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: key or any of that. Ship it's like you go

452
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: back list of your favorite or it's like, oh they

453
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 1: sound like Ship and they're amazing. Yeah, oh my god,

454
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: And some of the records I go back and listen

455
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: to and I'm just so judgy about, oh is that

456
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: a cool band or whatever? And at the time I

457
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 1: just liked the song. And even you're talking about your daughter,

458
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: like singing into her, into your eye cloud that you're

459
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: secretly spying on, like that is really probably so inspiring

460
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: because I almost feel like, I know I'm an adult supposedly,

461
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 1: but I feel like as much as you can tap

462
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: back into that childlike wonder of magic, of looking at

463
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: the world like that, the happier maybe and full of

464
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: excitement about everything that's going on, just like really just

465
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: enjoying and appreciating and not judging and not judging yourself

466
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: and being you're like kind of blissfully unaware of like

467
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: a lot of things when you're that little. I agree,

468
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: it's like you want to do the things that self

469
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 1: help things, the right things to get yourself in a

470
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: spot that you know you can continue, and you want

471
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: to get smarter as a musician, as songwriter and producer

472
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 1: and all those things. Um, but if you lose that

473
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, I feel that's when it becomes

474
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: the most frustrating. Um, I don't producer that. No, No,

475
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: you go ahead. UM. This woman we have worked with

476
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: our last two records, Katherine Marks, this incredible woman from

477
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: Australia now in England. She is really a like she's

478
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,239
Speaker 1: sort of like a magic believer about sounds, and you know,

479
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: she'll say stuff like the way that I had heard

480
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: a couple of records she'd worked on when we had

481
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: our first conversation. But she's going like, Andy, I want

482
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: every song to sound like we're walking through a house,

483
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 1: you know, and I and each song is a different

484
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: room in the house. And I was like, oh god,

485
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: like I'm so in already. And she'd say stuff like

486
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: this song needs to sound like Bees. Let's make it

487
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: sound like Bees. That's perfect. And you know, some people

488
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: I would tell like, I'm really excited about this, and like,

489
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: what does she mean bees? I was like, I don't

490
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: even know. I'm just excited that she is talking about

491
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: music that way, you know, totally. Oh my god, I'm

492
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,239
Speaker 1: working on music room right now. I want it. I

493
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: wanted to feel like the feeling of swimming in giant

494
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: ocean waves. That's awesome, Like that's my goal. What is

495
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: is it? In both sort of the melody and the

496
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: lyrics and like the good and the bad and the

497
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: just how you get tossed around by this thing that

498
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: is bigger than you and you have to just learn

499
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: to float or keep your head above water at some point,

500
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 1: and at the end of the day, like it's all

501
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: so much bigger than you that you just like you

502
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: got to accept it like you're swimming in the ocean.

503
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the That's that's where I land. Every

504
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: time I start to worry about not having all the answers,

505
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: it's like it's it is so much, in my opinion,

506
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: so much bigger that it's almost I mean it's it's

507
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: it's fun to wonder and explore like you would, you said,

508
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: a spiritual um explore like I love that. That's I

509
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: totally understand that, UM. And there's also a sense of

510
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: that like there was some great quote I read. I'm

511
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: gonna butcher it totally. But it's like, you know, you

512
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: can find um. You can find atheism immediately, um, you

513
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: know when you start to break it down scientifically. But

514
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: the war and where that you dig down and the

515
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: more you realize that so many things are unexplainable, like

516
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: you'll find God or the universe that whatever it is

517
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: is so apparent at the bottom of that glass, you know.

518
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: And I love that. I love thinking that way me too,

519
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: because I read that your family there's a really religious

520
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: past right with your Yes, yes, I would say grandfather

521
00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: and father both pastors. Oh that's like hardcore. Yeah, you know,

522
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: I broke the mold. You sure did, but like you

523
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: still have a connection with the infinite consciousness of goodness

524
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: or whatever the funk people want to call it. Sounds

525
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: like there's that connection and that's the most important thing. Yeah. Absolutely.

526
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: You know, my my grandfather was probably more I know

527
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: it was, was more of a legalist, you know, sort

528
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: of he would yell at people in church. You know,

529
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: it's like during a period of time, um where it

530
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: was just you know, more like you're doing it wrong.

531
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: I would be so scared if someone tells me I'm

532
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: doing something wrong. I just infinitely cry at their faith.

533
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: He wrote a song about it because at his at

534
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: his funeral five years ago, six years ago, they played

535
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: sort of like the Greatest Hits montage of like all

536
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: of his sermons, and like he was literally like he

537
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: was just screaming five minutes. I'm like, oh God. And

538
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: I think that had not the screaming necessarily, but sort

539
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: of the old school Southern mentality that that they had

540
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: really pushed my dad to not be like that with us,

541
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: and was far more of a like I'm going to

542
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: be proud of you whatever you decide you want to do,

543
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna love you. No matter who you decided

544
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: to be. My mother was both was also like that,

545
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:21,479
Speaker 1: So I've definitely I had support in that sense. I

546
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: never felt like I was I was a bad kid

547
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: being blasphemous for not being a part of a specific church. No,

548
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: not at all. You know, even to this day, I

549
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: don't really belong to any church. Um. I I do

550
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: like my kids to a certain degree to be a

551
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: part of, like you know, a community in in that way,

552
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: and um, I can appreciate a lot of things that

553
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: I got from it. I could also have a pretty

554
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,239
Speaker 1: good idea of what I don't want to you know,

555
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: have be a part of my my family out. Yeah,

556
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: A is the of the date it's released. Worked on

557
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: it for the last several years. UM. Obviously didn't expect

558
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: it to kind of come out like this, I think,

559
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: but I'm not. There's nothing really special about our situation

560
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: compared to anybody else's. But um yeah, it's just it's

561
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,479
Speaker 1: been an interesting experience. You know. It's you know, when

562
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: you the usual way that you go and promote things,

563
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: and you can kind of you leave and you go

564
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: somewhere and then there's that time just sort of process

565
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: that and think about the things that have happened, and

566
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: there's really none of that here. It's just kind of

567
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: go go go slam together. And you know that I'm

568
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: back to dad time. And you know, are you doing

569
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: this out of your house? No? We we bought a

570
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: home and two thirteen and sound proofed it and renovated it,

571
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: and it's it's Manchester's home base. We run our merch

572
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: from here and record everything from here. So I think,

573
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: you know, at the end of it. Even the album

574
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: title that we just came up with, you know, it's

575
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: called the Million Masks of God. Um came from a

576
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: poem I found in like just a book of sort

577
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: of old I like books of spiritual you know, daily

578
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: spiritual thoughts and not like the new wave. You know,

579
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: you know Christian chickens. You don't love chicken soup for

580
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: the salt? Are you crazy? That was in every across Tennessee,

581
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: just by the way our childhood. We couldn't get away

582
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: from chicken soup for the sale, no doubt. Um. No,

583
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: I like the stuff that was written hundreds of years

584
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: ago by people who were still trying to figure out

585
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: the same kind of stuff, you know, the same thing.

586
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: I started the podcast where Yep, we're all just searching

587
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: for the same ship. It's right. And this guy Um.

588
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: The name of the poem is gold Leaves, and in

589
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: the poem he talks about how when he was young,

590
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: he would look for God and it would frustrate him

591
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: that he couldn't find God and that it was Um

592
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: and that made him angry and defiant towards God and Um.

593
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: He wanted so badly to connect to it, but the

594
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: less that he could connect to it, the more and

595
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: more he didn't believe it. And there's a line where

596
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: it says like, behold, you know, a new day is

597
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: here and and and now that I'm older and I'm

598
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: I've I've experienced life, I'm realizing that God is everywhere

599
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: be and he says, behold the million mass of God.

600
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: It's in the leaves on the ground, it's in the trees,

601
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: it's everywhere that you're looking is God. It's in people,

602
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: and it's you know specifically, and people that um, you

603
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: know aren't really privileged, and people who are living a

604
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: much harder life than you or I know about. And Um,

605
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: I was really struck by that sentiment of like, man,

606
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: I feel that way, I don't feel you know, I

607
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: think even in my earlier records, it was such a

608
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: I love hate relationship with the idea of God and

609
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: and and just sort of getting to this peaceful place

610
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: of like, oh, I think I can accept this, and

611
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: in fact, I think I can lean into it and

612
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: find some peace and start getting rid of some guilt.

613
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god, why are we on the same page

614
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: about this? So hard? Sorry, keep going, I'm sorry. No,

615
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's that's basically it, you know. And

616
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: so the whole concept of the record, I suppose deals

617
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: with that. It's it's sort of going through this really

618
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: difficult period of time that that my best friend and

619
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: brother in law was going through that I was also experiencing,

620
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: and then my own journey of realizing, you know, like

621
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: man like. The record ends with this line of i'd say,

622
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: at the very end, all this time I thought I

623
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: was right. All this time, I thought I was right.

624
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: It's sort of this idea of like dying and at

625
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: the very end of life. I don't think anybody, no

626
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: matter what you believe or how hard you believe it, um,

627
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: you're not going to be right about the specific thing

628
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: you think is going to happen. You know, because like

629
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: you just said, it's bigger than we could ever possibly comprehend.

630
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: And who knows, like we might straight up turn into

631
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: like tell a Tubbies. I don't know, like nobody knows.

632
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: I love talking about tubbies. This morning, my son was

633
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: watching Maybe We're Maybe that's maybe that's the answer. So

634
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: because I'm like kind of obsessed with I hope I'm

635
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: the cool one. I hope I'm one of the cool teletubbies.

636
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: I remember there's one that was really kind of a

637
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: creep one creeped me out. I forget which one. There

638
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: was a nerdy teletubby for sure, that's probably none of

639
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: them had None of them had great names. I think

640
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: that also hurt the cause, you know, it was like

641
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: a binky Winky and something like that. Of course, I'm like,

642
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: I've succumbti. I'm going to be binky Winky. But that's fine,

643
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: Like I just I'm like, you know what, I'm into it. Whatever.

644
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: But even if I was right about it, and we

645
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: all do turn in teletubbies, and that's like something I

646
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: was very like heavily convicted, like the conviction that we

647
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: are turning into teletubbies, and I'm gonna make a church.

648
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: We're gonna worship teletubbies and give me your money and

649
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: you know, confess to the Teletupia thing is fascinating. It's

650
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 1: it's yeah, and it's a form of like control, right

651
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: that people like want to have control over other people.

652
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 1: I think that's really what control, and also like community

653
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 1: around like see this is right, you're not we're not alone, Okay,

654
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: then there's lots of us, so we're right about it.

655
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: I feel like it's comforting to some people. For me,

656
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: it's just kind of like I think everybody's probably right

657
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: and wrong in all the kinds of ways. Like you

658
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: were just saying in your music, it doesn't matter if

659
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: you're right anyways, because we all have to die. Unfortunately,

660
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: we're all going to figure it out at some point.

661
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: I think the part of growing up in the church

662
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 1: that I didn't like was and I didn't really see

663
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: that because I moved to Toronto from ages seven to

664
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 1: fourteen and my dad ended up pastoring like a nondenominational

665
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: church with over a hundred and forty different nationalities. So

666
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 1: I went from like a white kid in a pretty

667
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: white Maryetta, Georgia to a place where like I was

668
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: the minority and that that church and in my school,

669
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: in my first school I went to was um, Like,

670
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: there were twenty six kids. I think four kids were

671
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: Chinese and there were two white kids, and it was

672
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: you after yes, and it was the greatest. Those were

673
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: an incredibly informative on who I wanted to become. And

674
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: my parents were really smart for putting us in that

675
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: situation because, you know, other than like really getting into

676
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: Dragon ball Z and all of the culture that those

677
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: kids had that I had no idea existed, you know,

678
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: just like, holy sh it, they have video games I've

679
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 1: never heard of like this. They're way cooler than me. Um.

680
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,439
Speaker 1: It just made me realize the world was so much

681
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: bigger and that this kind of small area of the

682
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: bubble as I like to call it. I tell someone

683
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: I live in the suburbs of Atlanta, and there's very

684
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 1: much a bubble here of people who you know, don't

685
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: really act like anything is happening outside of the bubble

686
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: um And I hate that, And I hate when the

687
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: church is that bubble. I think, like, if they're the

688
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: church should be anything, It should not be the bubble.

689
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: It should be the come in right. Well, I think

690
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: sometimes the bubble is comfortable seeming. I don't know if

691
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: you had this experience, like when before quarantine happened, it

692
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 1: was like I was in the bubble of tour. I've

693
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: never cooked anything in my life ever because they've been

694
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: in It's really actually turns out not useful for end

695
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: of times, not great for quarantining purposes, Like I would

696
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: be the bottom of the fucking tender list of like

697
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: cannot cook. Can sing at you, Yeah you're gone on

698
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 1: the Oregon Trail, I'm dead. Survival of the Fittest, You're fucked.

699
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: I'm trying to keep a basil plant alive and I'm

700
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: so depressed. It's just dying in front of my eyes.

701
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it. I like, I give up.

702
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: I forget the point. Oh. The bubble though that I

703
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: was living in was just like just go hard and

704
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: like do your job and do it well and love

705
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: your life, and parts of that are really beautiful. But

706
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: I think I was missing, like pretty much my growth

707
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: is stunted at the time I started touring, which is

708
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: really young, so I feel like if I had some

709
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: catching up to do, It's crazy. I can I can

710
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: totally relate. I don't think I hadn't this This last

711
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: year was the first we did sneak one socially distant showing,

712
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: so I keep the streak alive. But I had played

713
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: at least, you know, at least ten to fifteen shows

714
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 1: a year, if not hundreds of shows a year since

715
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: I was seventeen sixteen. You know, I'm sure you were

716
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: similar ways, like the idea of even being home for

717
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: this long and not having that outlet. How did you

718
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: feel when it first starting case, I felt like a

719
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: sense of relief a little bit. At the beginning, it

720
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 1: was like, okay, it's not this is okay that, like

721
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: the schedule has sort of been. I always loved when

722
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: school or something gets canceled. I love, yeah, I love

723
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: when somebody else cancels something. So then I'm like, I

724
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:22,479
Speaker 1: didn't cause it, but it's canceled, So I fucking chill.

725
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: But it's not my fault, so I don't have to

726
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: feel guilty, but I can secretly just like kick back. Okay,

727
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: that's a little bit how I felt at the beginning.

728
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: And then I was like, in a little bit of

729
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: a Donald Trump paralysis. I think he just scared the

730
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: ship out of me and it was just like a

731
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: little bit with both going on. I was like, this

732
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: is weird, and then I'm starting to enjoy being a

733
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: person like nowish, But for solid like seven months, I

734
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: was like, I hate this with so much anxiety. I

735
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: don't know how to cook anything. I'm useless. What do

736
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: I do with my time? I should be entertaining entertainment? Curious?

737
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: Is that what it was? Like? You do you think

738
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: if you would have been able to go out and

739
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: play a show or like create something the studio, were

740
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: you writing? Like? Yeah, I write all the times. I

741
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: can't help it. It's like literally a form of just

742
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: being functional for me. I don't write songs because it's

743
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: like it's not even that I want to, it's how

744
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: do I cope with being alive? Yeah? Amen, totally, I

745
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: can so relate. That's exactly what it is. Yea. And

746
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: in fact, anytime you sit down and try to do that,

747
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: thing just feels so forced and strange and I get

748
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: stressed out. But then like I'll be I like wake

749
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: up at three in the morning and write a whole

750
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 1: song and be like, oh that was nice. Thank you?

751
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: Whoever did that? Thank you? Did you did you feel

752
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: peace at the beginning, and then you know, so you

753
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: said for a minute, and and of course that like

754
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: a snow like a snow day kind of feeling where

755
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, it's like if you got off of

756
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: school because there was snow and you're like, oh, I

757
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: get to sleep in. It was kind of that feeling,

758
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: and then it went into like existential crises that it's

759
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: just you know, I live in I live inside of

760
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: an existential crisis. But then I also had me questioning

761
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: like if you have no one to entertain, like if

762
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: you don't have a show top play to a person

763
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: or people, it's kind of like if a tree falls

764
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: in the woods and no one's around to here, it

765
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: doesn't make it sound I'm like, if a pop singer

766
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 1: is has all these outfits and asshle's chaps and blow

767
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: up inflatable cats and lasers, but nobody can come to

768
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: a show, what does that mean? That's fascinating. That totally

769
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: makes sense why you would feel that way. Yeah, oh man,

770
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: um I will I didn't realize I missed the There

771
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: has been plenty of existential crisis happening during it, but

772
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: I think the show part of it was different for

773
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: me because I didn't really know I missed it until

774
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: I got in a room with the three other guys

775
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 1: and started playing, and even though there wasn't anyone there,

776
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: it was that kind of purpose thing again. I was like, oh, like,

777
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 1: this is different than me writing a song by myself,

778
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: for me sitting in a studio making something by myself,

779
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: and this is a communal thing. You know, this connection

780
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: and even if it's connection to three other people in

781
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: a room felt That's what made me realize how much

782
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: I actually missed it and how much it was fueling

783
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: a part of me that I didn't know about. You know, So,

784
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: is that totally ego, because that's I've been trying to

785
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 1: figure out, like that just all ego, that it feels

786
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: so good too sing at a person versus to no one.

787
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm sure it probably is. You probably boil

788
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: it down to equal parts ego, But I also think

789
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,439
Speaker 1: there's connection there. I think it's what we were talking

790
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: about of like experiencing you write a song and it's

791
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: experienced by a listener or experienced by a producer or

792
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: a musician in the studio. For me, that thing, it's

793
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: almost getting outside of the ego and being like you

794
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: want to make stuff with people, you want to be

795
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: around people, and you want the feeling of being with people.

796
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: It wasn't like I want to impress them that I've

797
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: you know, come up with this cool sure that exists

798
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: other places. But it didn't feel like that. Then, you know,

799
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 1: it was like, man, you guys all care enough about

800
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: this music that you want to be in this room

801
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: and work on it together. And the seed of it

802
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: came from my brain, you know, like you said, at

803
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: three in the morning, popped out of bed, had to

804
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: write it no other choice. I really like it. I

805
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: wonder if they do. And that thing that's that's another

806
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: sort of level of magic. People, you know, like all

807
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: putting your energy, effort and attention into one thing. I

808
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: find it to be. Really I'm always so thankful for

809
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: the people that I create with, because my brain is

810
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: my problem. It won't quit. I have tried just she's

811
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: her own thing, but having other people be like, Okay,

812
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit with you and your brain and take

813
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: the time to flesh out this emotional idea that to

814
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: me is really selfless. And so I'm always like, I

815
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: think that's super I'm so grateful for people that helped

816
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: me kind of conjure my ideas up into songs totally.

817
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,720
Speaker 1: Do you have a like a small team of people

818
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: who do that. Do you have like the one you

819
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: know woman or a man that's is there with you

820
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: and you want to get something down or do you

821
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: try and switch it up each time? I work with

822
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: like a lot of people would love to work with you,

823
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: but also, um, yeah, I work with kind of just

824
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: anybody that I feel like we'll understand because sometimes it's

825
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: hard to articulate the feelings of what I want then

826
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: a song to make someone feel like. So I'll like

827
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: be like I want to just make people feel like this,

828
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: and I'll jump off of something and it's like you

829
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: have to understand what that means. And I think it

830
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: takes a special type of person to like when you said,

831
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: let's make it sound like bees like, that sounds like

832
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 1: a beautiful experiment in trying to figure out what the mean.

833
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: Hopefully I got my vaccine, so hopefully soon you'll get

834
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 1: your vaccine and then we can make music with people.

835
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 1: No kidding, that's been that's been the weirdest part, because

836
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: I do love the co write experience of like being

837
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: in a room with somebody and just there's these like

838
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 1: jitters of like let's make something and feel excited about

839
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: making something together. At the end of the day, it

840
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: could be six hours later, could be two, could be twelve,

841
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: it's like we did something. Oh my god. When it works,

842
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,240
Speaker 1: when it actually works, when it sounds good, it feels

843
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:01,919
Speaker 1: like you just performed a goddamn miracle. Yeah, because you did,

844
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: you know. I think I think that sometimes you finish

845
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: something in a studio so quickly it is a miracle.

846
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: It shouldn't happen that quick, especially if I do something

847
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: that sounds cooler than I know I am. I'm like,

848
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: whoa what that's a fucking miracle? How does't a miracle?

849
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: I just sounded so cool, it's amazing. But so that's

850
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: been my experience. Wait, I haven't even asked you any

851
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: of the creepy questions. Hold on, I'm supposed to ask you. Oh, okay,

852
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: I do have a question about an Australian wizard. I

853
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: was told you were you encountered an Australian wizard, and

854
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: I need to know what that means. Yeah, I can

855
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: understand why you would want to know what that Okay,

856
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: So I okay, a little backstory. I dropped out of

857
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: high school before my before my senior year. So my

858
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 1: senior year I spent it like making a record and

859
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: touring like the Nashville, Birmingham, Columbia, South Carolina, wherever the

860
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: little circle around where we were. But my school was

861
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: taken a trip to Australia right before that year, and

862
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: so I thought, this is a great opportunity. I could

863
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: go to Australia. And a bunch of my friends were going,

864
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: and we'll just go. And it was like one of

865
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 1: those missions trips where like no missions were done, it

866
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 1: was just he just went to Australia, and I think

867
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: I think it made the parents feel better than it

868
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: was a missions trip. Um. And we were there, and

869
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: I was there with Um, our original bass player, and

870
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: we were in the market and he looked like Gandalf

871
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: and Lord of the Rings was like a really it

872
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: was pretty big at the time, like the last one

873
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: I'd just come out, and so a bunch of guys

874
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: were like, let's go mess with this wizard looking you

875
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: know in retrospect um, not a great idea. But I've

876
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: also was taught to be like respectful to people, regardless

877
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: of who they were an elder, so you know, I

878
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: was just asking them legitimate questions. But I was certainly

879
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: skeptical talking to this guy. And my throat had been

880
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: hurting a few days before we got to this market,

881
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: and um, I asked him, you know, what do you do?

882
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: You know, what's your story? And we're standing there and

883
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: he says, well, I'm you know, I'm like a fortune

884
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 1: teller in a way, um, you know, and I'm a healer.

885
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, well, I kind of understand the

886
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: fortune teller thing. I asked him, you know, like, what

887
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: can you tell me about my fortune? And of course

888
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 1: it was spot on, but it was also probably spot

889
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: on for every other person that asked him. Was like,

890
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: you're at a crossroads in a decision you have to

891
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: make in your life, which I was, you know, I

892
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: like the I was deciding if I was gonna go

893
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: back to school or try this band and um. So

894
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: I was like okay, And I was like, so, how

895
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: are you a healer? And he said, well, do you

896
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: want me to heal you? Um? And I was like yeah,

897
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 1: sure fully skeptical. Can he put his hand right in

898
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: front of my uh, like my face like this or

899
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: like right around my chest to my face right here,

900
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: and my tongue started to like go back into my

901
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: mouth and my eyes started to roll back into my

902
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: head and I started to like pass out, like I

903
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:16,720
Speaker 1: felt almost evil in a strange way, like it felt dark,

904
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: like really really really dark. And selfishly, I'm like, oh,

905
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: do it to him, do it to him, And I

906
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 1: do it like I don't want it to me. I

907
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 1: don't want to do it to me, don't, yeah, exactly,

908
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: and stop it. I don't like it, um. And he

909
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,800
Speaker 1: looks at at Jay, still a good friend of mine,

910
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: and Jay's laughing and just sort of going like a

911
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: you know, like whatever, and he does it, and Jay's laughing,

912
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: and he looks at Jay dead in the eyes and

913
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: goes on cloud your heart. And Jay's demeanor immediately changed

914
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: from like laughing and sort of making fun of this

915
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: guy to like the exact same feeling that I had,

916
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: and he almost like got lightheaded. He got lightheaded and

917
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: almost passed out, and the two of us just ran.

918
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 1: We were like, oh, funk, we gotta get out of here,

919
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: like right now. I don't know what that was. And

920
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: we both went to the back of like this little

921
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: caravan that we were all in and sat and like

922
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: for the rest of the day and still to this

923
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: day we talked about that weird experience that we had together.

924
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 1: Um and I actually say the line uncloud your Heart.

925
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: I say it on the new records, where of the

926
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: last lines on the whole record. I was literally going

927
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: to put that in one of my songs. Thanks a lot.

928
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: Everything in my brain is like, where does that come

929
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: in a song? I'm so happy you put that in

930
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 1: the song. It needs to be in a song. Did yeah, yeah,

931
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: uncloud my heart? Yeah? Well, and he said on cloud

932
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: your heart, and so I flipped it, you know, and

933
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: it was more of an asking of God, uncloud my heart. Oh.

934
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: I love that because I'll tell you what He unclouded

935
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: Jay's heart that day pretty quick. It sounds like like

936
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: supernatural ship makes me, uncloud my heart, makes me stop

937
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: acting like a douche bag, makes me like my ego

938
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: calm the funk down, makes me find everything a little

939
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 1: bit more humorous. You got to uncloud your heart. I

940
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: love that. We should end on that. That's amazing. I

941
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: love it. It's great and people can hear it on

942
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: your new record at Manchester Orchestra. Oh my god, wo oh,

943
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, thank you so much. Yeah, and I'm

944
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: so excited to hear the new record and let's both

945
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: write songs. Oh god, how embarrassing the other people are. Yeah,

946
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you could have a field day with

947
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: how embarrassing I've been. Your's gonna be so much easier

948
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: to write than mine. I have to write about you

949
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: being embarrassing. It's like, you're not embarrassing it cool. You're

950
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: very cool and talented. So embarrassing, let's go meadow with it.

951
00:52:50,719 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: You gotta go meadow with it. Specifically embarrassing. Who one