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Speaker 1: the answer. What's the problem with it? Um politically and

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Speaker 1: in a policy way, well, on the policy and politically

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Speaker 1: actually for him, it's exactly what he wants, right, but

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Speaker 1: on a policy level, right, you want to be able

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Speaker 1: to count every single individual in our country in order

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Speaker 1: to get you know, the right amount of of Oh,

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Speaker 1: it sounds like we are finally going to hear him,

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Speaker 1: the president. I'm sorry, we had to cut off our

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Speaker 1: guests and the demon shallow me former chief staff. The

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Speaker 1: next Pelosi here is Donald Trump's the United States. Now

441
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 1: they're trying to erase the very existence of a very

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Speaker 1: important word and a very important thing, citizenship. They're even

443
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Speaker 1: coming after the pledge of allegiance in Minnesota. I'm proud

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Speaker 1: to be a citizen. You're proud to be a citizen.

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Speaker 1: The only people who are not proud to be citizens

446
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Speaker 1: are the ones who are fighting us all the way

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Speaker 1: about the word citizen. Today, I'm here to say we

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Speaker 1: are not backing down on our effort to determine the

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Speaker 1: citizenship status of the United States population. I stand before

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Speaker 1: you to outline new steps my administration has taken to

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Speaker 1: ensure that citizenship is counted so that we know how

452
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Speaker 1: many citizens we have in the United States makes sense.

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Speaker 1: We will defend the right of the American people to

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Speaker 1: know the full facts about the population size of citizens

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Speaker 1: and non citizens in America. It is essential that we

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Speaker 1: have a clear breakdown of the number of citizens and

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Speaker 1: non citizens that make up the US populations parative. Knowing

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Speaker 1: this information is vital to formula sound public policy. Whether

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Speaker 1: the issue is healthcare, education, so all rights, or immigration,

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Speaker 1: we must have a reliable count of how many citizens,

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Speaker 1: non citizens, and illegal aliens are in our country. The

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Speaker 1: Department of Commerce sensibly decided to include a citizenship question

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Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty census, as has been done many,

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Speaker 1: many times throughout the history of the United States. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: this effort was delayed by meritless litigation. As shocking as

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Speaker 1: it may be, far left in our country are determined

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Speaker 1: to conceal the number of illegal aliens in our midst

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Speaker 1: They probably know the number is far greater, much higher

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Speaker 1: than anyone would have ever believed before. Maybe that's why

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Speaker 1: they fight so hard. This is part of a broader

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Speaker 1: left wing effort to erode the rights of the American

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Speaker 1: citizen and is very unfair to our country. The Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court ultimately affirmed our right to ask the citizenship question,

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Speaker 1: and very strongly it was affirmed. But the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: also ruled that we must provide further explanation that will

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Speaker 1: produced even more litigation and considerable time delays. The case

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Speaker 1: is already in three federal district courts that have been

478
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Speaker 1: to be totally honest, extremely unfriendly to us. These delays

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Speaker 1: would have prevented us from completing the census on time.

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Speaker 1: It's deeply regrettable, but it will not stop us from

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Speaker 1: collecting the needed information, and I think even in greater

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Speaker 1: detail and more accurately. Therefore, we are pursuing a new, ultuary,

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Speaker 1: complete and timely count of the non citizen population. Today,

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Speaker 1: I will be issuing an executive order to put this

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Speaker 1: very plan into effect immediately. I am here by ordering

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Speaker 1: every department and agency in the federal government to provide

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Speaker 1: the Department of Commerce with all requested records regarding the

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Speaker 1: number of citizens and non citizens in our country. They

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Speaker 1: must furnish all legally accessible records in their possession immediately.

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Speaker 1: We will utilize these vast federal databases to gain a full,

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Speaker 1: complete and accurate count of the non citizen population, including

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Speaker 1: databases maintained by the Department of Homeland Security and the

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Speaker 1: Social Security Administration. We have great knowledge in many of

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Speaker 1: our agencies. We will leave no stone turned the Census

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Speaker 1: Bureau projected that using previously available records, it could determine

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Speaker 1: citizenship for of our population or more. With today's executive order,

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Speaker 1: which eliminates longstanding obstacles to data sharing, we're aiming to

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Speaker 1: count everyone. Ultimately, this will allow us to have an

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Speaker 1: even more complete count of citizens than through asking the

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Speaker 1: single question alone. It will be we think, far more accurate.

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Speaker 1: Census Bureau can use this information, along with information collected

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Speaker 1: through the questionnaire, to create the official census. In other words,

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Speaker 1: as a result of today's executive order, we will be

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Speaker 1: able to ensures generates an accurate count of how many citizens,

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Speaker 1: non citizens, and illegal aliens are in the United States

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Speaker 1: of America not too much to ask. This will greatly

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Speaker 1: inform a wide array of public policy decisions. This information

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Speaker 1: is also relevant to administering our elections. Some states may

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Speaker 1: want to draw state and local legislative districts based up

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Speaker 1: the voter eligible population. Indeed, the same day the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court handed down the census decision, it also said it

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Speaker 1: would not review certain types of districting decisions, which could

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Speaker 1: encourage states to make such decisions based on voter eligibility.

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Speaker 1: With today's order, we will collect all of the information

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Speaker 1: we need to conduct and accurate senses and to make

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Speaker 1: responsible decisions about public policy, voting rights, and representation in Congress.

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Speaker 1: In everything we do, we will faithfully represent the people

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Speaker 1: of the United States of America. I would like now

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Speaker 1: to introduce Attorney General Bill bar to the podium. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you, good evening to President, and congratulations on today's

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Speaker 1: executive order, which will ensure that we finally have an

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Speaker 1: accurate understanding of how many citizens and non citizens live

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Speaker 1: in our country. As the Supreme Court recognized, it would

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Speaker 1: be perfectly lawful for the federal government to ask on

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Speaker 1: the census whether individuals are citizens of the United States,

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Speaker 1: and it's entirely reasonable to want to know how many

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Speaker 1: citizens and non citizens there are in the United States.

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Speaker 1: In act, the federal government has routinely asked questions relating

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Speaker 1: to citizenship ever since the eighteen twenties. But while the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court correctly recognized that it would be entirely appropriate

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Speaker 1: to include citizenship questions on the Census, it nevertheless held

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Speaker 1: that the Commerce Department did not adequately explain its decisions

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Speaker 1: for doing so on the census, because, as the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court recognized, the defect in the Commerce Department's decision was

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Speaker 1: curable with a better record. The President asked me to

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Speaker 1: work with Secretary Ross to determine whether there remained a

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Speaker 1: viable path for including a citizenship question on the census.

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Speaker 1: I did so. In my view, the government has ample

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Speaker 1: justification to inquire about citizenship status on the census, and

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Speaker 1: could plainly provide rationales for doing so that would cestivive

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, and there therefore no question that a

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Speaker 1: new decision the question would ultimately survive legal review. The

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00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: problem is that any new decision would be subject to

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Speaker 1: immediate challenge as a new claim in the three ongoing

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Speaker 1: district court cases. In addition, there are injunctions currently in

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Speaker 1: place that forbid adding the question. There is simply no

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Speaker 1: way to litigate these issues and obtain relief from the

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Speaker 1: current engine to implement any new decision without jeopardizing our

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Speaker 1: ability to carry out the census, which we're not going

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Speaker 1: to do. We're not going to jeopardize our ability to

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Speaker 1: carry us So as a practical matter, the Supreme Court's

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Speaker 1: decision closed all paths to adding the question to the census.

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Speaker 1: Put simply, the impediment was not what was a logistical impediment,

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Speaker 1: not a legal one. We simply cannot complete the litigation

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Speaker 1: in time to carry out the census. One other point

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Speaker 1: on this, someone suggesting in the hysterical mode of the

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Speaker 1: day that the administration has been planning to add the

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Speaker 1: citizenship question to the census by executive fiat without regard

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Speaker 1: to contrary court orders or what the Supreme Court might say.

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Speaker 1: This has been based on rank speculation and nothing more.

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Speaker 1: As should be obvious, there has never been under this

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Speaker 1: has never been under consideration. We have always accepted that

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Speaker 1: any new decision to add a citizenship question to the

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Speaker 1: census would be subject to judicial review. Turning to today,

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Speaker 1: I applaud the President for recognizing in his executive order

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Speaker 1: that including a question on the census is not the

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Speaker 1: only way to obtain this vital information. The course the

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00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: President has chosen today will bring unprecedented resources to big

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Speaker 1: to bear on determining how many citizens and non citizens

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Speaker 1: are in our country, and will yield the best data

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Speaker 1: the government has had on citizenship in many decades. That

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Speaker 1: information will be used for countless purposes, as the President

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Speaker 1: explained in his remarks today. For example, there is a

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Speaker 1: current dispute over whether illegal aliens can be included for

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Speaker 1: apportionment purposes. Depending on the resolution of that data may

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Speaker 1: be relevant to those considerations, we will be dying this issue.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations again, Mr President, on taking this effective action. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you, thank you very much, thank you, thank you

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Speaker 1: very much. So that was Donald Trump, President United States,

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Speaker 1: and his Attorney General William Barr, telling us how they

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Speaker 1: are going to move forward with this attempt to get

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Speaker 1: information on who in you know and who is not um.

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Speaker 1: What they laid out there was a plan to essentially

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Speaker 1: go to the existing databases that exists all around the

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Speaker 1: federal government, UH, including in the Department Homeland Security and

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Speaker 1: Social Security, to try to piece together a picture of

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Speaker 1: of of who's here legally, who's here not um And

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00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: also made clear that they were really only doing this

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Speaker 1: not because they felt like they didn't have a strong

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Speaker 1: case for the courts, but because they didn't have time

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Speaker 1: to go back to the courts and sort of work

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Speaker 1: its way through the courts and still get the census

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Speaker 1: launched on time to be done you know, next year,

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Speaker 1: and printing the forms and such. You can imagine that's

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Speaker 1: an enormous undertaking. So Donald Trump would have us believe

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Speaker 1: that this is the This is just as good, if

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Speaker 1: not better, than putting a question on the census forms. UM.

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Speaker 1: I think a fair question that could be asked right

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Speaker 1: now is, uh, if you know if people are illegally

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Speaker 1: are they do they exist in these databases? Is there

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Speaker 1: information about them in Social Security or in DHS? Smarter

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Speaker 1: people than you will answer that question down the road,

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Speaker 1: he claims. Uh. Sense the Bureau told him he could

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Speaker 1: get uh, you know, sort of accuracy rate uh the

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Speaker 1: old way and could get us, you know, much higher

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Speaker 1: than that with these new documents and digging into the

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Speaker 1: new databases. The order today seems to knock down some um,

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Speaker 1: legal obstacles or bureaucratic obstacles to that sort of information

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Speaker 1: sharing um inside the federal government. So we have with

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Speaker 1: us today Nadimashalami, the former Speaker of former chief of

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Speaker 1: staff to Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who is very familiar with

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Speaker 1: this issue. UM, I'm just you're sitting here, so let's

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Speaker 1: get some instant reactions. Can he get the information that

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Speaker 1: he wants in the way he says he does? And

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Speaker 1: then UM, let's talk politics about it too. Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Look without seeing the executive order. I'm not really sure

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Speaker 1: exactly what that would entail, but you know, an executive

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Speaker 1: order to the agency saying provide, you know, the Department

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Speaker 1: of Commerce with all the information that you have on citizens,

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Speaker 1: legal permanent residents and non citizens. Is is certainly something

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Speaker 1: that generally would be within the purview of the president. However,

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Speaker 1: can this information be used to supplement uh, the census?

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Speaker 1: That's another question, and I have a fist will be

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Speaker 1: discussed further by much smarter folks than than me, perhaps

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Speaker 1: even go go to the core. But whatscus This has

626
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Speaker 1: been a you know and kind of gleaned over as

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Speaker 1: the contrived reason by the President and by Attorney General

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Speaker 1: Bar of why this question was not allowed. There's there's

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Speaker 1: a lot more to it than it was a technical issue.

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Speaker 1: There's a there's a next week, the House is going

631
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Speaker 1: to be voting on um on contempt of Congress on

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Speaker 1: Secretary Attorney General Bar and Secretary of Commerce Ross. And

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Speaker 1: the reason is they want to know there has there

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Speaker 1: been an obstruction of justice when it comes to the

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Speaker 1: census question. And we've heard this before is who knew

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Speaker 1: what when? And right now it seems that this politically

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00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 1: motivated exercise, who hasn't done since nineteen fifty. But going

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00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: into this administration, there has been some speculation there's now

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Speaker 1: some evidence that it was actually done from uh, from

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Speaker 1: the White House, that the Secretary actually information when he

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Speaker 1: testified under oath before the House of Representatives and so on. So,

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Speaker 1: and that's why you also have some core battles. So

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Speaker 1: there is some some questions that remain beyond and this

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Speaker 1: is not a this is not a big issue. Actually,

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Speaker 1: this is gonna be much better. They have some issues

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Speaker 1: that they're gonna have to be dealing with. Yeah, every

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Speaker 1: day of Donald Trump's presidency. I think it's a little

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Speaker 1: to that Donald Trump very defiant here, we are not

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Speaker 1: backing down. Was one of the quotes. Um, he accused

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Speaker 1: have a full and accurate account of who's a citizen

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Speaker 1: Why is it such a bad thing to get a count?

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Speaker 1: Trump definitely leaned into that idea and and really posted

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Speaker 1: the ones that get hurt by that. Again, put on

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Speaker 1: that is that's a pretty compelling argument the president. I say,

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Speaker 1: it's just said it at a podium. How do how

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Speaker 1: do Democrats sort of counter that? Yeah? Look, it's as

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Speaker 1: um um and as part of the census every ten years. Look,

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Speaker 1: the the issue here is that the census counts every

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Speaker 1: let's keep talking politics on this. It's interesting to me.

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Speaker 1: You know, Donald Trump, as we said a minute ago,

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Speaker 1: He's trying like the Dickens to get back to the

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Speaker 1: will say that, Dame, with all the respect, I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure your party has figured out how to talk about

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Speaker 1: it differently. Um, how potent of an issue is this

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Speaker 1: going to be going into twenty What would your advice

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Speaker 1: exactly what you did in ten because in een House

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Speaker 1: on the immigration issue and against the affordable and do

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Speaker 1: the same exact thing that you did in eighteen. Be

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Speaker 1: honest with the American people, and you will win. In

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Speaker 1: there you go. That is the Dame Shalami, who was

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Speaker 1: the former chief of staff to Speaker of the House

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Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi, currently working as a policy director for Brownston

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Speaker 1: hid Farber and Truck very generous with his time, spend

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Speaker 1: the whole hour listening the studio. We appreciate that greatly.

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