1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: For listeners tuning in for the first time, Welcome to 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: the Restless Ones. I'm Jonathan Strickland, and if you joined 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: us for the past two seasons, then welcome back. I 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: couldn't be more excited for the next installment of our show. 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: As you may know, I've spent the last fifteen years 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: covering technology and learning how it works, demystifying everything from 7 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: massive parallel processing to advanced robotics and everything in between. 8 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 1: Yet it's the conversations with some of the most forward 9 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: thinking leaders, those at the intersection of technology and business 10 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: that fascinate me the most. On this season, we explore 11 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: their unique missions, challenges and approaches to driving their organizations forward, 12 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: building bridges to what's next, and leveraging transformative technologies available 13 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: today like five G to create a more connected and 14 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: meaningful future. What are they looking forward to tackling next 15 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: and how will they get there? Let's find out. In 16 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: this episode, I spend some time with Steve Grubbs, CEO 17 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: and co founder of Victory XR. Steve has dedicated his 18 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: time and efforts towards transforming education through technology as well. 19 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: Here he began that journey in the public service sector, 20 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: but discovered he could make an impact faster while pursuing 21 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: an entrepreneurial pathway. I sat down with Steve to talk 22 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: about how a convergence of technologies and connectivity have set 23 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: the stage for a revolution in education, and beyond that, 24 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: how these same technologies are providing the foundation for the 25 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: future of work, communication and the metaverse. Steve. First of all, 26 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining the show. Welcome to 27 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: the Restless Ones. First, I want to say that you 28 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: and I share something in common in that we have 29 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: parental figures who are teachers, and I imagine that was 30 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: one of those things that really shaped you early on. 31 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: Can you talk about developing a passion for education and 32 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: how you initially pursued that before going on to become 33 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: an entrepreneur. Sure, so, imagine having Clint Eastward as your dad. 34 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: My dad was a tough guy football coach and a 35 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: social studies teacher. I actually had him as a teacher. 36 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: He was a good teacher, he was an innovator. I 37 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: really respected that. But having said that, he didn't make 38 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: very much money, and I always thought to myself, m 39 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: I think I want to make a little bit more 40 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: money than that. So I made the decision to go 41 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: into the Iowa legislature, which made even less money than 42 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: being a school teacher, and I was chair of the 43 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: House Education Committee for four years and wrote the state's 44 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: first technology funding bill that put computers and internet and 45 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: all of the things that we needed to do to 46 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 1: move into the modern technological eras I left that and 47 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: joined the world of entrepreneurship, and one thing that I 48 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: found really fascinating was this realization that I think a 49 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: lot of people don't appreciate, which is the thought that 50 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: simply throwing technology at a challenge does not solve the challenge. 51 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: It takes a more nuanced, complex approach, and I think 52 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: that that's a trap that a lot of school districts 53 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: fall into, this idea of we've managed to get hold 54 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: of this technology, but what comes next. It doesn't appear 55 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: to be that there was as much thought given to 56 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: how to make use of the technology in a meaningful way. 57 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: And it seems to me like that was a core 58 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: component of your philosophy when you were moving forward. Am 59 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: I on the right track here? Yeah, that's that's exactly right. 60 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: So we were able to get every school in the 61 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: state of Iowa connected to the Internet, make sure they 62 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: all had computers. But at the end of the day, 63 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: we didn't really move the numbers much on some of 64 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: the objective measurements that we were looking at. And I 65 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: thought about that a lot, and really I came to 66 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: the conclusion that when students love to learn, they learn. 67 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: And it's that way for all of us, right. You know, 68 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: I love to cook, so I love to learn new recipes. 69 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: I love to understand how various cooking items react together, spices, etcetera. 70 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: And because of that, learning is not hard, it's very easy. 71 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: And it's the same thing when we all had that 72 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: class that we really loved. You know, maybe its art class, 73 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: science class, literature, but when you love a class, it's 74 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,239 Speaker 1: just easy. You just pour yourself into it. So thinking 75 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: about how to make a difference globally in education, that's 76 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: that's the issue, you know, how do you make it 77 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: so that students love to learn? And I can remember 78 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,679 Speaker 1: I put on a virtual reality headset in two thousand 79 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: and fifteen, and while everybody else put it on and 80 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: said gaming, I put it on and said, wow, education. 81 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: Imagine learning in this immersive way, whether it's virtual reality 82 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 1: or augmented reality, it will completely change the way students 83 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: consume learning, in the way they embrace learning, and thus 84 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: far we've been proven to be correct. I I identify 85 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: so strongly with what you have said. I have encountered 86 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: VR and and A are various mixed reality exhibits, for 87 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: example in museums, and have just marveled at what is 88 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: possible now and the way to get information across that 89 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: previously might have come across as being very dry and 90 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: distanced and removed from the person who is there. You know, 91 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: and and there's just you don't It doesn't sink in. 92 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: You don't have that connection, But mixed reality creates the 93 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: opportunity for that connection. And to me, that's what creates 94 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: that opportunity for real learning, not just memorizing dates and numbers, 95 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: but having a deeper understanding and appreciation for whatever the 96 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: subject matter is. Yeah, yeah, that that's exactly right. And 97 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: I like to think about some of the experiences we've developed. 98 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: When you dissected animals in high school, which is a 99 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: big thing in the United States, not as big outside 100 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: the United States, but Carolina Biological helped us develop these 101 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: amazing animal dissections. So instead of cutting open a real 102 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 1: frog with the formaldehyde and the whole deal. Our students 103 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: can pick up their floppy frog. It moves just like 104 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: the real thing. They can cut it open or move 105 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: the organs, examine them, throw them in the air, and 106 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: then press a button and the frog comes back together 107 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: and is back alive. These are the amazing opportunities. And 108 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: some people might scoff and say, well, that's not the 109 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: real thing, But the bottom line is think about an 110 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: airline pilot. Would you really get on a commercial airliner 111 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: where the pilot had skipped his simulator training? You know, 112 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: I think most of us would not. The fact that 113 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: we can build learning simulators that are more affordable for schools, 114 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: saving taxpayer dollars, and second, give students a deeper learning 115 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: opportunity that they can repeat as often as they choose to, 116 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: increases the fun of learning and also increases the retention. Absolutely, 117 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: I really am somewhat envious of the generations that will 118 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: be going to school in the near future and those 119 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: who are in school now for the kinds of experiences 120 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: that they will be able to have. To connect that 121 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: to the technology. Obviously, the only reason why we're able 122 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: to do this is because we've had the convergence of 123 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: multiple technologies and their evolution that enable these kinds of experiences. 124 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about some of the 125 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: technologies that are the foundation for what you're building with 126 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: these metaversities? Sure, So, first of all, we should define 127 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: what a metaversity is so people understand. You know, for 128 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: most of the last few years, what schools in universities 129 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: have done is they have introduced virtual reality as a 130 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: tool into the classroom. What we have done that is 131 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: dramatically different but sounds close to the same thing is 132 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: instead of VR being a tool in the classroom, we 133 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: made virtual reality the classroom. Now what that means is 134 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: we take these two terms. We take metaverse, which is 135 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: a persistent digital world that you can immerse yourself into, 136 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: and we take university and everybody knows what a university is, 137 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: and we put them together as a metaversity. So, for example, 138 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: let's take more House College. More House College was the 139 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 1: really the pioneer in this field, and Fisk University in 140 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: Nashville another pioneer. So these are the two examples that 141 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: really sort of broke ground. And if you look at 142 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: what they did at Morehouse College, they launched three classes 143 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: inorganic chemistry biology, one oh five and World History. So 144 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: in World History, they had a week on World War two, 145 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:13,719 Speaker 1: and they came to us and said, we want to 146 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 1: be able to teach us in a way that's meaningful 147 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: for students. So instead of building a classroom, a VR 148 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 1: classroom with four walls, we provided them with a battleship. 149 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: And so the students that week sat on chairs on 150 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: the battleship as it floated in the Pacific, and the 151 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: white board was there. And then their professor, Professor Ovll 152 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: Hamilton's United States Navy, retired. He taught the class and 153 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: he would take them on tours of the battleship and 154 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: explain what it was for and how it was used. 155 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: Now moved to inorganic chemistry. So you can't see molecules 156 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: in the real world, but in this inorganic chemistry class 157 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: they went to space. They worked with molecules that were 158 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: three ft wide. They would build molecule, deconstruct them, and 159 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: suddenly learning came alive. And then finally Biology one oh five, 160 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: which is really known as men's health. When they were 161 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: learning about sexual reproduction, they shrunk down to the size 162 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: of ant man. Then they hopped into a flopian tube 163 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: and traveled along with sperm. So there you go. That's 164 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: hard to do in the real world, and it brings 165 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: learning to life in a way that has literally never 166 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: before been possible. So those are a couple of examples, 167 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: and getting back to your question about new technologies, what 168 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: we're seeing that's going to shape this new world are 169 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: the intersection of these technologies. First of all, really advanced 170 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: virtual reality creation and virtual reality hardware. You know, hardware 171 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 1: from companies like Quest, which has the amazing metic Quest too, 172 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: then Vibe with their Focus three and Pico Neo three. 173 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 1: These are amazing headsets. And then HP has a tethered 174 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: headset that really gives clarity. So I get these big 175 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: companies creating great hardware. Then second is five G. Five 176 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: G is very important so that you're not just tethered 177 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: to locations where there's WiFi. If you want to put 178 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: on your augmented reality glasses or your virtual reality headst 179 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: you can do so, and you can do it anywhere 180 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: that there's five G and so this makes a big difference. 181 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: And then you've got the whole world of cryptocurrency. So 182 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: suddenly in these worlds you'll have a new form of 183 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 1: currency that allows you to you know, buy various digital assets, 184 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: and then finally the concept of blockchain and n f 185 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: t s. So if you create assets, you can now 186 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: protect them by minting them as n f t s 187 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: and this is one of the services that we now offer. 188 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: So you've got these amazing technologies that are all intersecting 189 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: at the same time, and as they intersect, you're going 190 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: to see this persistent digital world that opens up around 191 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: us and it literally changes everything. This really makes me 192 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: think of all the different science fiction visions of what 193 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: the world was going to be, everything from Minority Report 194 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: to even we've seen like early examples of augmented reality 195 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: hardware like Google Glass, which had five G, which I agree. 196 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: I think five G is the key component in many 197 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: ways to what we're seeing right now because it frees 198 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: us up from both a physical tether whenever you're in 199 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: whatever location you're using your mixed reality glasses, but it 200 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: also frees us up from having to rely on being 201 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: in one of those places where fiber gets rolled out. 202 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: Kind of a side note that where I live in 203 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: the city of Atlanta, there's no fiber connection that goes 204 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: through my neighborhood at all. I don't have that access 205 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: having access to something like h five G connect itity 206 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: where I'm able to get those same speeds, that low latency, 207 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: that high bandwidth, that's incredibly valuable. And for something where 208 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: you're talking about such an intensive computational process where you 209 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: need to have low latency or else as I'm sure 210 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: you've experienced any latency in any kind of mixed reality situation, 211 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: that's just grounds for disaster. You're going to have motion sickness, 212 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: so you cannot have that. And to me, that's those 213 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: are all the pieces that are making this so exciting 214 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: because again I remember back to the early days of 215 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: virtual reality where those pieces weren't in place, and those 216 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: were the reasons why VR failed the first time through 217 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: a couple of things. But a lot of people don't 218 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: realize and I didn't realize until I really got deeply 219 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: involved in all of this, is the power of five G, 220 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: especially when it comes to latency. So you know, you 221 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: always hear people talk about oh, it's got this big 222 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: fat pipe, and you know, maybe you can get this 223 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: many gigs per second or per minute, no matter what 224 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 1: that lands at. Really the value is the latency. And 225 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: so the reason that's important is because if you and 226 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 1: I are both in this metaverse world, either on our 227 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: computers or through a our glasses or a VR headset, 228 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: and you're a thousand miles apart away from me, and 229 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: you reach into the cavity of a cadaver and you 230 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: lift up a human heart. Now I'm across the table 231 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: from you, and I see you lifting up that human heart, 232 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: and then I see you extend your hand to me 233 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: to hand me that heart. Even though I'm a thousand 234 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: miles away. I reach over and I grabbed that heart 235 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: and I feel it in my hand through hap dicks. 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I've been waiting for the moment of the 264 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: sort of the killer app for VR and a R. Obviously, 265 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: there are very passionate communities that have sprung up, particularly 266 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: around virtual reality, particularly in the gaming space. Obviously, there 267 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: are industrial uses as well and have been. I mean, 268 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: augmented reality started that way. But what do you see 269 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: as being sort of the killer app for the the 270 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: general public? Do you think we're very far off from that? 271 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: Are we at that cusp of VR and are becoming 272 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: truly a mainstream technology? So, you know, I think there's 273 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: different levels of killer apps. The first level of killer 274 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: app is simply communication and audio. When I can tap 275 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 1: the side of my glasses and say, call Kelly, who 276 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 1: happens to be my wife, suddenly it rings Kelly, and 277 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: I can choose to double tap and see a little 278 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: window in the upper right portion of the lens and 279 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: I can see her, or I can leave the video 280 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: off and just drive and talk to her that way, 281 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 1: you know, no phone in my pocket. Then I'm done 282 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: talking to people, and now I just want to, you know, 283 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: play some Boston. And so I listened to a little 284 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: Boston for a while. And then I get to the 285 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: hotel and I say, play some nightly news, and so 286 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: I get ten minutes of nightly news on my glasses, 287 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: and then I need to hop on a meeting with 288 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: some people in Australia, you know, go to my eleven 289 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: PM meeting, and now I'm in the meeting. So this 290 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: is the vision, and our piece of that vision is 291 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: one that will help students and consumers engage with the world. 292 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: I also like that I learned that we share a 293 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: common love for Boston, so that ends up being yet 294 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: another common element between the two of us. That's right. 295 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: I think this is a pretty safe guess that you 296 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: would say the metaverse really is going to be as 297 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: important and transformational as the dawn of the web. Is that? 298 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: Is that how you feel? Yeah? I mean, so, first 299 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: of all, let's go back before that. You've had these 300 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: major moments in time where communication and the delivery of 301 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: in for nation or entertainment changed forever. You know, think 302 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: about when Marconi launched radio. Suddenly everybody had ever radio, 303 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 1: and that was this very important. I can remember my 304 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: grandfather telling me that they would go sit in the 305 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: car and listen to his father who was playing music 306 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: in a church, you know, two states away, but it 307 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: was being broadcast on the radio, and so changed everything. 308 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 1: Then television did the same thing in the fifties, and 309 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: then you know, you get into the modern era and 310 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: suddenly the Internet opens up the world, and then phones 311 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: moved to that next level, and and now we're approaching 312 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: this immersive spatial communication time. I really do think that 313 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: a ARE is going to be one of those technologies 314 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: that will increasingly find its way into our lives. I 315 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: don't think it's going to be that far off before 316 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: we start seeing companies offering up smart windows that can 317 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: act as displays for various purposes. We've already seen it 318 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: incorporated into vehicles in different ways, so we're just at 319 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: the very cusp of that as well, and I think 320 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 1: we're going to see that extend. I think everyone thinks 321 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: of them as glasses, you know, the idea of wearing 322 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: glasses for augmented reality, and shortly that will be part 323 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: of it, but I think it's going to extend so 324 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: far beyond that into several other modalities. All of this 325 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: again is ways where we can marry the power of 326 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: the digital world with our physical existence, and it can 327 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: have such an enormous impact on everything. I think that's 328 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: exactly right. You know, if you look at some of 329 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 1: the science fiction, you just have a little dot that's 330 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: on the side of their head, so it's interacting directly 331 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: with your brain, sort of an Elon Musk neuralink, you know. 332 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: I think that's probably twenty years away, but in the 333 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: spanse of human time, twenty years is not very long. 334 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 1: It's true to step on classrooms. We've seeing this technology 335 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: being used in class, virtual or otherwise. Are we you 336 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: also looking at using it for things such as workplace training, 337 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: so that it could extend beyond the direct educational system 338 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: and even to things like a corporate training and things 339 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: of that nature. Yeah. Absolutely. I have a separate company 340 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: called Chalk Bites, and Chalk Bites focuses on corporate training. 341 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: So I can give you one really great example so OSHA, 342 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: which is the you know, the workplace safety standards of 343 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: the federal government creates very important that if you're a 344 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: warehouse supervisor, a place of employment supervisor, you need to 345 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: know and understand where the violations are. We have an 346 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: actual warehouse where you enter in there with an ocean 347 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: trainer and then you walk through the warehouse. So instead 348 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: of just like learning about it on slides a slide deck, 349 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 1: you actually walk through the warehouse. You see how a 350 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: crate is blocking an exit door, you see a fire extinguish, 351 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: sure that's out of place, things like that, so you 352 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: you experience the learning rather than just reading about it 353 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: and falling asleep. Then your trainer is gone and you 354 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: have to walk through the facility and identify those violations 355 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: and take your little laser pointer and zap them, and 356 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: by doing that you score yourself into a good score. 357 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,719 Speaker 1: But you know, this is the type of experiential learning 358 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: that's hard to get you. Previously, an employer might have 359 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: to send their rural Georgia employees to Atlanta for a 360 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: couple of days for the sort of training. Now they 361 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: can stay wherever they're at and pop on their headset 362 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: and suddenly they are there with a live trainer. So 363 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: that's the type of workplace training. You can do the 364 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: same thing with almost anything because we now have true 365 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: physics built into VR as well as haptics, which is 366 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: something where you can actually feel, and so that makes 367 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: all the difference in the world being able to do 368 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: those kinds of things without having to take people outside 369 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 1: of an environment. It's really hard to express how valuable 370 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: that is, the amount you're saving and travel and time 371 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: and lodging the fact that if you're going with a 372 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 1: virtual environment, that means you don't have to have a 373 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: physical space set aside to run simulations, which probably is 374 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: not something that most companies could do anyway. I don't 375 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: think there are a lot of many companies who are saying, yeah, 376 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: we have a spare warehouse that we don't use for 377 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: our business, but we just use it to train people. 378 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: That's not a luxury that most companies have. So being 379 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: able to have a tool that lets you do that virtually, 380 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: I could see that being invaluable. Yeah, and you know what, 381 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 1: you just think about the personal You know, a lot 382 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: of times you travel two hours to to get to 383 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: a meeting, You have four hours of meeting, then you 384 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: have a dinner, and then you travel two hours home. 385 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: Your whole day is shut right, and you know you 386 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: miss your daughter's softball game. Well, you know, now instead 387 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: of burning the entire day, you pop on the headset 388 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: for a couple of hours, You do a couple of 389 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: it on zoom, and next thing you know, you have 390 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: learned as much or more than you would have learned 391 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: at the actual location and the cost is dramatically less. 392 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: So it provides an efficiency, a lean efficiency for the employer, 393 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: and it provides more time for the employee to to 394 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: enjoy their family or just be more productive at work. 395 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: Can you tell me a little bit about how you 396 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: go about assessing and managing risk in what you do. 397 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: I imagine that your work requires uh partnering with lots 398 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: of other companies. How do you evaluate that and make decisions? 399 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 1: What are the criteria that are important to you? Well, 400 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 1: first of all, there's a balance between working with say 401 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: the Fortune five hundred companies, who you know fairly risk averse, 402 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: and then the startups who you know they're going to 403 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: burn the bridges behind them. So you need both, and 404 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: you have to really make sure that the people that 405 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: you work with are people that you trust. And so 406 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: there are clearly some checklists on certifications and other safety 407 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: standards and safety records that you can check those lists. 408 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, Victory XR is 409 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: my fourth company, and I have learned over the years 410 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 1: that the people you work with, if they can be trusted, 411 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: then if there's a problem, at the very least, they 412 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 1: will make a good faith effort to solve that issue. Well, Steve, 413 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: I just have a few more questions to round out 414 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: this interview, which has been truly fascinating. The first one, 415 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 1: I think is arguably the most important question I can 416 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: ask you, which is what is a question you wish 417 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: I had asked you but didn't. Well, I think asking 418 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: me a question about the coolest stuff we're doing is 419 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: always a good question. I am an education nerds, so 420 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: everything you've said has been the coolest to me. But 421 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 1: I want to know what you think is the coolest. Sure, well, 422 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: there's a stupid question to ask myself, because there's a 423 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: bunch of those things. Students study astronomy both in high 424 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: school and in higher education, and so we wanted to 425 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: create a way to learn astronomy, and so we can 426 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: recreate the classroom however we want. So I told our 427 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: developers that to build a ground based observatory, but you 428 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: have to build into it a star Trek style transporter, 429 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: and after you beam up, you land in the starship, 430 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: and then you can put on your space suit and 431 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 1: go out for a spacewalk and learn about astronomy that way. 432 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 1: It's a wonderful gift to be able to go to 433 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: a planetarium and look up at the stars. But in 434 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: our world, you get a step into the transporter, you 435 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 1: see these dots and waves, and you hear this sound 436 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: that sounds like your own star trek, and then next 437 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: thing you know, boom, You're on the starship and then 438 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: from there they can go outside and they can bring 439 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: in planets or solar systems, whatever you want to do. So, 440 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: to me, pretty cool. Uh, no argument here. I'm also 441 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: a lifelong Star Trek fan, and honestly, going through a 442 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: transporter through VR is the only way I would do it, 443 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: So so I think that that's the right way to 444 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: do it. Of course, I could not let Steve go 445 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 1: without asking him one more thing. What would you say 446 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: is one of your proudest accomplishments. Well, I would tell 447 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: you a quick little story. We are getting a larger team, 448 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: but we started with a very small team. And I 449 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: was with a college buddy of mine back in Iowa 450 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: City and we were on a rooftop having a beverage, 451 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: former science teacher and assistant superintendent schools, and he leaned 452 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: over and said, you know what you need. You need 453 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 1: dissection in VR. And I said, okay, tell me why. 454 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 1: And he told me why and I said okay. So 455 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: I went home. The next Monday, I pulled my team 456 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: together and I said, why don't we create dissection in VR? 457 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 1: So my guys got together they sort of scoped it out. 458 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: Eight weeks later we have a full frog dissection with 459 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: Wendy the science teacher, a hologram whole package. Well, we 460 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 1: were nominated to submit that into the Award for vive 461 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: Ports Best VR Education Experiences, like the Academy Award for 462 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: Virtual Reality Education, and we were the only American company nominated, 463 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: and we ended up winning the Best Global Virtual Reality 464 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: Education Experience. And it just all came from listening and 465 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: then our team taking eight weeks to build an amazing experience. Wow, 466 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: that's a phenomenal turnaround time for anyone who hasn't been 467 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: involved in developing something like that. It's an incredible accomplishment. 468 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: That was exactly the kind of answer I was hoping for. Steve, 469 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time. This has been 470 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,959 Speaker 1: a phenomenal conversation. Happy to have been a part of it. 471 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: Thank you. Thanks again to Steve Grubs for his time 472 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: with us. As a longtime fan of virtual reality, I 473 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: found it incredibly exciting to get a glimpse of how 474 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: the discipline has come into its own. Not only do 475 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: I find the educational application of VR and A are exciting, 476 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: but also the broader impact of mixed reality seems like 477 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: it's going to be far more dramatic than I anticipated. 478 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: None of that would be possible were it not for 479 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: advancements in naturization, processing power at the edge, and of 480 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: course five G technology allowing for those high bandwidth, low 481 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: latency connections power ing at all. Join us for future 482 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: episodes of The Restless Ones, where we will continue to 483 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: explore how leadership and new technologies have opened up opportunities 484 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: that just a few years ago would fall into the 485 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: category of science fiction. We'll see you then. T Mobile 486 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: for Business knows companies want more than a one size 487 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: fits all approach to support I want the world, so 488 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: we provide three sixty support customized to your business. From 489 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: discovery through post deployment. 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