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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: Matthew McKay is a clinical psychologist, a professor of psychology

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Speaker 2: at the Right Institute, co founder of the Hay Cashburry

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Speaker 2: Psychological Services, founder of the Berkeley CBT Clinic, and co

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Speaker 2: founder of the Bay Area Trauma Recovery Clinic, which serves

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Speaker 2: low income clients. He has authored and co authored a

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Speaker 2: number of books forty plus including the Relaxation and Stress

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Speaker 2: Reduction work Book, and is the most recent one, Lessons

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Speaker 2: from the Afterlife. Matthew, welcome back.

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Speaker 3: How have you been been good. It's great to speak

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Speaker 3: with you again, George.

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Speaker 2: Last time we were on about three years ago, we

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Speaker 2: were talking about your work, The Luminous Landscape of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 2: I had a great time with you.

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Speaker 3: That's right. We were talking about that and Jordan pretty

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Speaker 3: much wrote that book and in it he was describing,

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Speaker 3: you know, the spirit world in detail and what do

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Speaker 3: expect and how to prepare for the transition. But now

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Speaker 3: he has something new he wants to really take a

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Speaker 3: look at, you know, to explain the purpose of the

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Speaker 3: physical universe. You know, these planets, we live on it,

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Speaker 3: why we come here? So's he's got a whole new

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Speaker 3: thing that he wants to share with people.

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Speaker 2: Explain to our new listeners, Matthew, who Jordan is?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you? So Jordan is my son. Fifteen years ago,

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Speaker 3: he was bicycling home from work. He was attacked on

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Speaker 3: the street. Four men attacked him, probably to try to

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Speaker 3: steal his bicycle. There's a tremendous physical fight that ensued.

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Speaker 3: Eventually he turned and moved away from them. They shot

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Speaker 3: him in the black. He died on the street. And

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Speaker 3: what happened, of course, to me, is what happens to

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Speaker 3: anyone who loses someone they loved deeply. I had this

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Speaker 3: tremendous need to know did Jordans still exist, and if so,

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Speaker 3: was the okay? And and that set me on this

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Speaker 3: journey to find him, and began with, you know, going

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Speaker 3: to mediums and learning what they could they could tell me.

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Speaker 3: Although that was uncomfortable and it felt like I wasn't

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Speaker 3: I wasn't part of a conversation. I was just hearing

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Speaker 3: from him through them, uh, And so I thought him

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Speaker 3: in other ways. I went to see doctor Alan Botkin

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Speaker 3: in Chicago, who had discovered something called induced after death communication,

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Speaker 3: which is a variant of E M d R. I

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Speaker 3: had moved into sensitization processing, which I used with my clients.

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Speaker 3: I'm a psychologist, I worked with trauma and I use

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Speaker 3: em DR, and so he had had accidentally fallen into

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Speaker 3: a small variant of the protocol. I went to Chicago.

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Speaker 3: I experienced induced after death communication, and for the first

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Speaker 3: time that Jordan's of death, I heard his voice. He

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Speaker 3: was there, he was in the room, and he was

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Speaker 3: telling me the things that I deeply needed to know.

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Speaker 3: He's with you, I love you, I'm watching over you,

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Speaker 3: and I'm good. I'm in a good place. I'm safe

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Speaker 3: and happy. Well, that made a big difference for me.

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Speaker 3: I felt some of the grief lifting, but I still

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Speaker 3: had this tremendous need to have a conversation, not just

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Speaker 3: a one way experience, but to have a conversation, to

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Speaker 3: be able to ask him questions, to be able to

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Speaker 3: explore things with him. And so I consulted the late

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Speaker 3: Ralph Messner, who was a specialist in the afterlife. He

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Speaker 3: taught me how to do channel communication, and that is

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Speaker 3: what opened the door for me finally to be able

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Speaker 3: to talk to Jordan, and I've had hundreds of conversations

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Speaker 3: with him through channel communications that have you know, been

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Speaker 3: profound and meant so much to me. The things he answered,

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Speaker 3: so many questions, He's blown my mind. He's described things

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Speaker 3: to be able to understand until these communications. So it's

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Speaker 3: been an extraordinary journey with him. And this latest book

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Speaker 3: is his attempt to explain why we have the physical uners,

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Speaker 3: why are we here, what are we doing here, what's

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Speaker 3: this all about? And so it's made a real impact

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Speaker 3: on me. The other thing also that he's wanting to

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Speaker 3: do is teach something called deep knowledge meditation, and so

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Speaker 3: people can connect to their own soul knowledge, their higher self,

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Speaker 3: their accumulated soul wisdom, and this meant will allow them

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Speaker 3: to actually connect to that. It's part of our energy,

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Speaker 3: our soul energy always lives in the afterlife. And even

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Speaker 3: though we come here and part of our solergy energy

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Speaker 3: remember of our past lives or any of the experiences

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Speaker 3: in the afterlife, the part of this is always there

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Speaker 2: Matthew, when you first made the contact with Jordan, how

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Speaker 2: did you react.

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Speaker 3: Well? The experience of the IADC induced after death communication

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Speaker 3: with Bocket was I was flabbergasted. I was overwhelmed to

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Speaker 3: said to me. When I learned how to do channel communication,

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Speaker 3: it was profoundly moving to me because he was saying things.

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Speaker 3: I could feel his love, I could feel him in

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Speaker 3: things that I had never imagined before. And we're not

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Speaker 3: just enlightening but mind blowing, and so that those early

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Speaker 2: Did it calm you down?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Because what I learned was that Jordan was just

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Speaker 3: a thought away. I hadn't lost him. Death doesn't and

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Speaker 3: the love and the relationship that we have, In fact,

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Speaker 3: the love and the relationship was as strong as ever

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Speaker 3: and I could make contact with him anytime I wanted to,

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Speaker 3: and so it changed my whole understanding of death. And

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Speaker 3: what it did is it recreated or re established my

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Speaker 3: relationship with him, and it continues all these fifteen years.

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Speaker 3: We talk at least once a week we have, and

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Speaker 3: those conversations can be varied. He can advise me and

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Speaker 3: guide me, but also he can tell me amazing things

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Speaker 3: about the universe and our role within it. So it's

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Speaker 3: been an experience that has changed my understanding of what

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Speaker 2: Who initiates the initial contact, Matthew, Jordan or you.

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Speaker 3: Well, typically I will establish contact with him. I sit

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Speaker 3: at a desk that's familiar and feels safe, and there's

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Speaker 3: if anybody's interested, because it's pretty easy to channel. Almost

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Speaker 3: a small ritual. But it's not uncommon for Jordan to

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Speaker 3: start a conversation with me spontaneously, and oftentimes he will

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Speaker 3: start talking to me when I'm about to do something

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Speaker 3: really stupid. And he will speak and say what don't

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Speaker 3: and so often as he will initiate, but you'll initiate

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Speaker 2: What does your wife Jude think of your contact.

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Speaker 3: Well, she's very grateful for it. I read to her

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Speaker 3: all of the things that he says, all of the

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Speaker 3: in a different way. She feels his presence in a

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Speaker 2: Explain what the deep knowledge meditation is and how can

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Speaker 3: Okay, so it's actually fairly simple. What it starts with

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Speaker 3: you know, like, you know, should I you know, should

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Speaker 3: Or the question could be you know, what's the nature

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Speaker 3: very simple and earth bound. Any question you want to ask,

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Speaker 3: Just continue to watch your breath, and when thoughts show up,

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Speaker 2: Matthew, where would you Where would you say, Jordan's is

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Speaker 2: Where is his soul? Where is his consciousness? Where is he?

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Speaker 3: Well, his consciousness is typically in the spirit world, although

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Speaker 2: Interview, giving your points right.

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Speaker 3: He does. He gives me part and also he helps

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Speaker 3: So he can be present. His consciousness can come to

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Speaker 3: I want to go here, and it's there. It's their

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Speaker 3: instant And that's how Jordan can show up here.

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Speaker 2: What does he think of God? Does that subject ever

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Speaker 3: Yes, it does, and it's come up in ways that

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Speaker 3: And everything we learn then gets uploaded to all and

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Speaker 2: Do you ever miss him physically, Matthew, Yes, I do

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Speaker 3: And I'm you know, you know, there's a there's a

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Speaker 3: but but I guess I'm what I'm saying. I missed

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Speaker 3: And so that's very deep, and sometimes that pain just

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Speaker 2: But did they ever catch and convict the murderers?

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Speaker 3: No, they didn't. They claim that they know who did it,

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Speaker 3: There's been no justice as far as what happened to Jordan.

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Speaker 2: What's the greatest lesson you have learned from Jordan?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the greatest lesson, I think the lesson that's been

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Speaker 3: is what Jordan has taught me about love. And what

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Speaker 3: he's taught me is that love is not an emotion,

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Speaker 3: is action. It's what we do and that and he

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Speaker 3: taught me to commit myself every morning, to have at

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