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Speaker 1: The most valuable commandity I know of this information.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't you agree? Did you agree?

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Speaker 1: On five dollars?

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Speaker 3: This is a rat.

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Speaker 4: Prop of the tackle, shiite. You're saying that humans need

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Speaker 4: fantasy to make life bearable.

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Speaker 1: Humans need fantasy to be human?

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Speaker 4: My goodness, that miss good.

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Speaker 3: You guys are prone, bets, relentless, refusing to give up.

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Speaker 2: All right, hit that horn, baby less. Welcome to the

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Speaker 2: all new Fantasy Flex podcast from the Action Network. I

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Speaker 2: am your host, Chris Raybond, joined as always by Sean Kerner.

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Speaker 2: We'm glad you found us here on our new podcast home.

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Speaker 2: As a reminder between me Sean brand new Action Fantasy

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Speaker 2: expert Samantha PERVIDI will be delivering multiple episodes every single

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Speaker 2: week this NFL season, and today we have a very

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Speaker 2: very very special guest, a guy that I always love

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Speaker 2: talking to, a guy that you guys really enjoyed. I

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Speaker 2: think it was our highest most listened to episode last year,

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Speaker 2: so running it back with Jake Seely, senior writer from

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Speaker 2: The Athletic.

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Speaker 1: Jake, thanks for joining us, man.

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Speaker 3: Of course you're too con and I like hearing that

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Speaker 3: the most listened to podcast. That makes me feel good.

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Speaker 3: It makes me feel a little self important over here.

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Speaker 3: Not that I needed more of that as there knows.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're your metrics check out, Jake.

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Speaker 3: I know you ran the analysis and you checked it.

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Speaker 3: Did you check my forty time on top of it?

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Speaker 2: I have confidence you're just a ballplayer, like you know,

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Speaker 2: regardless of the measurables, you just know how to play football.

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Speaker 4: time not so much. The bench was okay.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, Jake, thank you so much again for joining

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Speaker 2: US Sean.

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Speaker 1: What's going on with you? How are your metrics this afternoon?

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Speaker 5: why I'm repping the Bear's hat today. I feel like

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Speaker 5: Montgomery episode every year, so can't wait. And so, what's

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Speaker 5: the deal with your throwback jersey? What do you got today?

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Speaker 1: I got the Peyton Manning Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: I don't have too many college jerseys, so I thought

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Speaker 2: I would break this one out. I want to They

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Speaker 2: pod because this is essentially like the Frozen Pond Tier

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Speaker 2: episode that you know Sean coined the term a few

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Speaker 2: and so really important here to talk about. I do

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the guys you draft that running back, even if

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Speaker 2: the thirteen to twenty four range, Jake, who are you

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Speaker 3: There's a lot in this range that I really love.

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Speaker 4: A little overblown.

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Speaker 3: The other thing you proved last year is not only

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Speaker 3: He's good in the passing game, both as a blocker

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Speaker 3: likely say absolutely. Again, there's a lot of names I

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Speaker 3: I'm a JK. Dobbins guy, But you're gonna tell me JK.

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Speaker 3: Dobbins at twenty five overall RB fifteen versus Mike Davis

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna wait for Mike Davis.

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Speaker 3: So I would love to get him as my RB three,

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Speaker 3: and I have in a lot of places, Sean. I

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Speaker 1: Yeah. JK.

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Speaker 2: Dobbins is a guy that I feel like he's you

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Speaker 2: You know, even if Alison becomes an RB two and

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Speaker 5: So this is the third straight season where Chris Carson

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Speaker 5: He's one of the most reliable guys you can draft,

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Speaker 5: I think cream Hunt will return value ADP. But he

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Speaker 5: Nick Chubb does miss time. I mean, he's a top

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Speaker 5: So I just love having that sort of high floor

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Speaker 5: I don't want to be drafting on him, drafting him

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is tough going after you guys, because those

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Speaker 2: He's a guy that what he can give you, you know,

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Speaker 1: And with a quarterback like Russell Wilson, that's just.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's two that kind of stand out for me,

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Speaker 3: the season where he had the cakewalk of cake walks.

436
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,080
Speaker 3: When it talks about facing defenses.

437
00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:31,520
Speaker 4: It's volume. It's a numbers game.

438
00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,400
Speaker 3: You talked about the reason part of the was saying

439
00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,480
Speaker 3: about Mike Davis is the numbers and volume and what

440
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:37,960
Speaker 3: do we want in fantasy. I don't care if it's

441
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 3: running back, quarterback, wide receiver, tight end.

442
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:41,200
Speaker 4: We want volume.

443
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 3: And it's not even Trek Cohen because Threek Cohen is

444
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,800
Speaker 3: not even healthy yet. It's you know what, Honestly, Damian

445
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,760
Speaker 3: Williams is a bigger threat than a Tarik Cohen was healthy,

446
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 3: because Tarik Cohen is basically one dimensional. He's the pass

447
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,639
Speaker 3: catching option, which would be a concern for David Montgomery

448
00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,960
Speaker 3: because some of his volume would be lost. Is not ready,

449
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,440
Speaker 3: and Damian Williams is the backup. Remember everybody is Damian

450
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 3: Williams last year before he opted out for that season.

451
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 3: He is a pretty complete running back. And it's just

452
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 3: the fact of David Montgomery with Damian Williams behind him,

453
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:13,679
Speaker 3: even to the street call on both of them, I

454
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 3: just that volume. I just don't see David Montgomery as

455
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 3: good as he looked. Again, part of it was the schedule,

456
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 3: but part of it is Dave Montgomery too. I don't

457
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 3: hate the guy, but you're asking somebody that's inside the

458
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 3: top twenty, who even losing ten percent of his workload

459
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,199
Speaker 3: week in and week out, is gonna be tough for

460
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,920
Speaker 3: me to get near that. It's not just RB seventeen,

461
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 3: it's a top thirty pick. He's early third round. So

462
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 3: that's really what it comes down to. I don't hate him,

463
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 3: I just hate the cost.

464
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like you're kind of taking Montgomery very

465
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 2: close to his ceiling, you know. It just there's not

466
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 2: a lot of wiggle room up when you consider that. Yeah,

467
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 2: he's competing with not only you know, some of the

468
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 2: other backs in that range, but he's got to outscore

469
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 2: you know, legit like why receiver, one wide receiver, two

470
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 2: types to really pay off his value. So Montgomery is

471
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 2: definitely a guy that I'm hesitant on as well. Sean,

472
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,719
Speaker 2: how about you, who are you fading in this? In

473
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 2: this tier, you see anyone slipping on the frozen pond?

474
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you know, normally I would have a

475
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,359
Speaker 5: field day with this tier. This is you know, the

476
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 5: famous frozen pond tier. Get out of here with that

477
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 5: dead zone running back bullshit, Like this is the frozen

478
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:31,120
Speaker 5: pond tier, right, And for some reason, like I can't

479
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 5: hate many of these guys, Like look at the tier,

480
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 5: the running back two tier. Last year, it was guys

481
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 5: like David Johnson, Le'Veon Bell, Melvin Gordon, Todd Gurley. I mean,

482
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 5: we were all saying, don't draft these guys, just fade

483
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 5: the position at this point. But when you're talking about

484
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 5: guys being drafting that same range this year, JK. Dobbins,

485
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,879
Speaker 5: Josh Jacobs, Miles Sanders, David Montgomery even, I mean, yes,

486
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 5: we should be concerned that they could be limited, you know,

487
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 5: in the passing game and whatnot, but their adporty reflects

488
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 5: that all these backs are really good. They're in their prime,

489
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 5: and you know they have RB one upside. I don't

490
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 5: think they'll all hit, but you know they're good backs,

491
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 5: so you can get the later end of RB two.

492
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 5: So you know, having said that, the only back in

493
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 5: this range I probably would fade is James Robinson. I mean,

494
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 5: it seems like a no brainer. Just you know, they

495
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 5: drafted Travis ATN in the first round, so that's a concern.

496
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 5: There's a chance that James Robinson could dominate the early

497
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 5: down work, but this Jaguars team is still pretty bad

498
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 5: and they're not going to offer many positive game scripts.

499
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 5: So you know, the James Robinson role might not be

500
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,199
Speaker 5: that useful even if he does, you know, start the

501
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 5: season's lead back, but at the end of the day,

502
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 5: like his value is only going to drop as the

503
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 5: season goes along. I think ETN eventually will overtake this backfield,

504
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 5: But I don't know why James Robinson is being drafted

505
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 5: sort of at the end of this RB two tier

506
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,959
Speaker 5: when he doesn't really have the floor ceiling combo that

507
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 5: you know i'd want. So he's the only guy that

508
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 5: I'd probably say I'm actively avoiding from this tier other

509
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 5: than that all these at ADP I can get behind.

510
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Joe Mixon is actually thirteenth now, so he's

511
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 2: snuck into this tier in the Fantasy Pros Consensus ADP,

512
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 2: so a lot of options here. I'm kind of with

513
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 2: Jake on Montgomery and Sanders. Those are the two guys

514
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 2: that I see that really worry me. Montgomery, it's just

515
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 2: more so I think he's being taken closer to his ceiling.

516
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 2: I think last year was the year to get to

517
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,959
Speaker 2: draft Montgomery. I just don't see him. I see him

518
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 2: either hitting value or coming in below it.

519
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: Maybe he's a floor pick, but I.

520
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 2: Don't know if he's going to get the same usage

521
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 2: in PPR. There was a time last year where he

522
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 2: was essentially the only guy playing snaps because they only

523
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 2: had Ryan Knoll behind him. I don't think Cohen will

524
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 2: be ready anytime soon. It may be even a lost

525
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 2: year for him, but Damian Williams really does change things

526
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 2: for him. It worries me and then Miles Sanders, I mean,

527
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 2: Jake on it. The reports out of camp have just

528
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 2: been alarming. I mean, he's been continuing to struggle in

529
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 2: the past game, he's been dropping passes, and they're talking

530
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 2: about a full blown committee depending on where you look

531
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 2: with him and Boston Scott, and you know, Boston Scott

532
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 2: kind of forgotten, kind of a forgotten man. But then

533
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 2: you remember, Okay, the Eagles are changing coaching staffs.

534
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: The you know, you've got guys.

535
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 2: Coming over from the Colts who oversaw Naim Hines being

536
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 2: used very prolifically and as a pretty high snap guy

537
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 2: considering his role and considering they had Tailor there and

538
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 2: Matt before that.

539
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: So I'm really worried at Montgomery.

540
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: I mean, excuse me, I really worry that Miles Sanders

541
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 2: is going to have to continue to be that uber

542
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 2: efficient guy. And break those long runs to really come

543
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 2: close to paying off a top twenty pick in terms

544
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 2: of running backs, because I think his passing usage just

545
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 2: going down. I don't think Hurts is a guy that's

546
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 2: really gonna check down the ball to him much. And

547
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 2: I just think they may envision a little bit different

548
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 2: type offense with Hurts and that benefit Scott. And let's

549
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 2: not forget they uh you know, they drafted Gain well

550
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 2: as well, so, uh, just not a comfortable situation for

551
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 2: Sanders Sean. I'm surprised you did to mention Miles Gaskin

552
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: because I would have thought he would be kind of

553
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 2: a frozen pond guy. I don't hate them. I don't

554
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 2: hate him, but when you look historically at Okay, which

555
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 2: running backs in this tier tend to bust the guys

556
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 2: that really don't have much established production or draft pedigree,

557
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 2: those tend to be.

558
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: The guys that, uh, you know, kind of fall short.

559
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 2: Miles Gaskin as good as he was, and I think

560
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 2: he will probably hold on to the job all year,

561
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 2: but it may not be as as advantageous as as

562
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 2: we think it is, and it may not be worth

563
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 2: a pick over a guy like Kareem Hunt. And Mike

564
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 2: Davis and Darryl Henderson and guys like that. So Gaskin

565
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: is a guy I don't love. Fading him is strong,

566
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: Fading him is more like Sanders in Montgomery. But I'm

567
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 2: not getting too much of Gaskin either. Now, let's go

568
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: to the next tier, that's the running backs into twenty

569
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 2: five to thirty six range. Jake, I know this is

570
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 2: this is kind of your bread and butter. Get me

571
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 2: some guys you like in this.

572
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 3: Year, similar to Sean before, like, I want so many

573
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,239
Speaker 3: of these guys in this range. The big three that

574
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 3: stand out to me are Henderson and then the teammates

575
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 3: from college rookies and Williams and Carter. But I'm gonna

576
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 3: save Carter for later, and I'm gonna go just right

577
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 3: back to the fresh one.

578
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 4: I mentioned Henderson.

579
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 3: Every Hunt, who I've known for a while I think

580
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 3: is one of the best scouts in the business, if

581
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 3: not the best. He coined a phrase and he calls

582
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 3: it smooth brain thinking is when you know because the

583
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 3: ridges are supposed to be where your thoughts and the

584
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 3: synapsis at all or all that type of stuff, So

585
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 3: smooth brain is you're not thinking. So for this entire time,

586
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,719
Speaker 3: We're sitting here like, Darryl Henderson's an amazing talent if

587
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 3: he could just stay healthy, and then we head into

588
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 3: this season, it's hey, Darryl Henderson is one of the

589
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 3: best backups to draft and he could even have some

590
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 3: standalone value if they unleash him this year and all that,

591
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 3: and then akers goes down and instead of everybody just

592
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 3: immediately going well, Darrel Hendlerson, time is here.

593
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 4: Finally Darryl Henderson, They're.

594
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 3: Like, well, maybe it's Xavier Jones, maybe it's Raymond Kalay.

595
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 3: It's like just the answers in front of you. Darryl Henderson,

596
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 3: if healthy, is a terrific talent. Is he somebody that

597
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 3: can be a twenty plus touch per game guy? No,

598
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 3: but neither is Austin Eckler. There's a lot of running

599
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 3: backs that are in this mold where they can do

600
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 3: very well in a fourteen to eighteen touch range, and

601
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 3: I think that's Henderson's bread and butter.

602
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 4: And if just healthy in.

603
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 3: This offense under Sean McVay, with everything we've seen with

604
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 3: this team can do for even aging broken down running backs.

605
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,719
Speaker 3: I think Darryl Henderson, if we see what we at

606
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 3: least what I expect in the preseason. By the time

607
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 3: we get to the end of all, I guess I

608
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 3: have a feeling it's gonna be a sad Top twenty

609
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 3: where he deserves to be.

610
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love Darryl Henderson.

611
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: We'll talk more about him, but uh, Jake, is that

612
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 2: it for you?

613
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: Just Henderson?

614
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say I want to save Carter for

615
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 3: one of your questions later. Actually, I don't have Jamontay

616
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 3: Williams for the later one. That the quick version on

617
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 3: that is when they drafted him, I said, by week

618
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 3: six or seven he should take that backfield over. Similar

619
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 3: to Miles Sanders rookie season. Melvin Gordon's opened that door

620
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 3: even more by waiting this long to finally show up.

621
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 3: So Jamantay Williams might actually be the lead option before now.

622
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 3: At this point, he might even be the lead option

623
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 3: by week one.

624
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

625
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: I love Williams as well, love all of those guys,

626
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 2: So we'll get to them. But Sean, who are you

627
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: targeting in this RB twenty five to thirty six range?

628
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: Akad RB three range?

629
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,959
Speaker 5: Well, I mean Jake stole my guy. It's it's all

630
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 5: about Darryl Hunterson. Here. I mean, how could you not

631
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 5: His ADP really is closer to you know, RB twenty

632
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 5: two to twenty three range. I mean when I'm projecting

633
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 5: him right now, I'm factoring in the they will add

634
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 5: a veteran running back like an Adrian Peterson or Duke Johnson,

635
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,479
Speaker 5: and I'm still getting him RB twenty one, and so

636
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 5: far the Rams have hold true to their promise. They

637
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 5: haven't added anybody. So if he goes into the season

638
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 5: as the lead back, I mean he's going to be

639
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 5: a steal at this price. So you know, looking back

640
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 5: at last year, he was the RB seventeen weeks one

641
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 5: through eight, even when Malcolm Brown was healthy and Cam

642
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,479
Speaker 5: Akers was in and out of the lineup. So I mean,

643
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 5: he already flashes upside. And you know this offense should

644
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 5: be a lot better with Matthew Stafford, so you know,

645
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 5: he has some more touchdown upside in this offense. So

646
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 5: you can't go wrong with Darryl Henderson even if they

647
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 5: do add a veteran, but he'll probably still be a

648
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 5: low end RB two. So that's why I think it's

649
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 5: he's a safe bet right now. The other guy is

650
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 5: probably Chase Edmonds. There's a little bit of risk. You know,

651
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 5: James Connor could inherit the full kennyon Drake roll we

652
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 5: saw last year, which will hurt Edmund's upside, of course,

653
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 5: but James Connor has never been able to stay healthy.

654
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 5: He's already dealing with setbacks with his offseason toast. So

655
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 5: you know, like if he only ends up playing six

656
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 5: or seven games this year, Chase Edmonds is gonna hit

657
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 5: at this ADP at RB twenty seven. So I'm you know, well,

658
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 5: it's well worth taking a few shares of Chase Edmonds here.

659
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 5: I think he has a ton of upside. He's shown

660
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 5: in the past. You know, when he's the lead back,

661
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 5: he can put up serious numbers, you know, pushing RB

662
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 5: one upside, and the depth chart behind James Connor is

663
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 5: pretty much nil. So I love taking a swing here

664
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 5: at Chase Edmonds.

665
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Edmunds has been running as the number one

666
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 2: running back in camp. That was a role that they

667
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 2: kind of earmarked for him and they were going to

668
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: give him the first crack at it. So I think

669
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 2: Edmunds he's a guy I was really high on before

670
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 2: they added Connor. I've kind of tailed off a little bit.

671
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 2: I think the time to get Edmonds was like way rearly,

672
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: But I do think there's kind of some post type

673
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 2: of po now because this is another guy that could

674
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 2: it's setting up to be a lead back on a

675
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: pretty good offense. I mean, this Cardinals offense is pretty good.

676
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: Same reason I like Darryl Henderson. I think, you know,

677
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: when you look at Henderson and look at what the

678
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 2: Rams have, you know they have a better quarterback now

679
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: than you know, a quarterback that's more comfortable and that

680
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: their coach is more comfortable with.

681
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: So you're gonna get some more.

682
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: Deep shots you could that could set the backs up

683
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: for more touchdowns. And I really see it hard to

684
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 2: believe at this point that David Jones, Kalais, Jake Funk

685
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: any of those guys are gonna steal significant snaps from Henderson.

686
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: You know, he's been over fifteen carries of four times.

687
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: Last year the rams number one running back, it was

688
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 2: right around fifteen carries for the year, So you give

689
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: him a couple of catches on top of that, and

690
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: this guy could really be a strong value considering the

691
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 2: offense that he's in.

692
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: So love Darryl Henderson.

693
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 2: I'm kind of with you, guys, I don't even know

694
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: why he's you know, this far down in ADP. I know,

695
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 2: Fantasy Pros kind of aggregates that you can't really filter

696
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,959
Speaker 2: by date the way you can with some other sites,

697
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 2: But twenty fifth is too low for Henderson. I think

698
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: he is a top twenty back. And Michael Carter that's

699
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: another guy that I really really like, you know, Jake,

700
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 2: I know you're going to talk about him later, but

701
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: just a guy who we talked about a little before

702
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 2: the show it you know started Aaron. He's been running

703
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: with the Ones all camp. He is a guy that

704
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: can play on rundowns and passed downs. He was in

705
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 2: the you know, top ten percentile in a lot of

706
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 2: grading metrics by PFF in terms of receiving last last year.

707
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 2: Good you know, one of the better runners in his

708
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: class as well.

709
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,479
Speaker 1: And really, you know, from all the reports.

710
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: And I know it's puff piece season, so I don't

711
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: take these, you know, I take these with a grain

712
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 2: of salt, but glowing reports. But I think the important

713
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: thing is that the reports have been that he's running

714
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 2: with the Ones, and there's distance between him and those

715
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 2: other guys, you know, Tevin Coleman, Ty Johnson, and Michael

716
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: p Ryan.

717
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: So that's what you want to hear.

718
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 2: And I think this because it's an unknown with Zach Wilson,

719
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: you got Elijah More in this whole new receiving corps.

720
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 2: Basically outside of court, outside of Crowder, people maybe shine

721
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 2: away a little bit. But I think Michael Carter could

722
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: be essentially the centerpiece of this offense that may not

723
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 2: be terrible and even if you know, the Jets may

724
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: just be a bad team. And so I think that

725
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 2: will help him because he'll be I think he'll be

726
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: out there for some for a good amount of receiving

727
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 2: snaps as well. So really like Michael Carter in that

728
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 2: in that RB three range, Jake who you're avoiding in

729
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 2: this year.

730
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 3: It's funny because you guys just talk positive first of disagreement.

731
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 3: We finally get here is I'm off on Chase Edmonds. Now, granted,

732
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 3: the original time I wrote my article about the top

733
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 3: the guys with the ADP I hate, basically he was

734
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 3: up at RB twenty four, so he has slid back

735
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 3: a little bit, But at RB twenty seven, I'm still

736
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 3: looking at a out three or four running backs behind

737
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 3: him alone that I would still take because it's again,

738
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 3: this is what the team has told us, and now

739
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 3: this is coming from somebody. Similar you mentioned Swift earlier.

740
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 3: I did an article about Swift about don't expect him

741
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 3: to be an RB one, he can still be great.

742
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 3: I can still love the player and not like the situation.

743
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 3: But where people wanted to put him in the RB

744
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 3: one tier, I wasn't there. I think he's, as you mentioned,

745
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 3: great as an RB two. It's similar with Edmunds. I

746
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 3: talk positively about Edmunds if you go back to my

747
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 3: draft profile when he came out of college. The problem

748
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 3: with Edmunds is he's always going to be and they

749
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 3: even said this when he came out of college.

750
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 4: He's a complimentary piece.

751
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 3: He's not somebody who's going to touch the ball twenty

752
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 3: times per game, and they've had multiple opportunities to let

753
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 3: him be the guy. He's only carried the ball over

754
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 3: eight eight times over his career, and now it's a

755
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 3: short career, but he's had more opportunities than just these

756
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 3: three times.

757
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 4: Two of those games with twenty seven to twenty five.

758
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 3: One of them was against the Giants, as everybody remembers

759
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 3: that game, probably where he went ballistic. But those If

760
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 3: you look at those two games too, is they were

761
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: kind of forced into that where they had multiple guys

762
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 3: hurt in those ones. So it's not that I dislike Edmunds.

763
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 3: It's not anything against him. It's just a RB twenty

764
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,439
Speaker 3: seven when Williams is sitting behind him, who I think

765
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 3: can be the lead. When you look at raheem mostert

766
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 3: if healthy, which nobody wants anymore because they're just assuming

767
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 3: Trey Sermon is going to be the guy.

768
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 4: And I'm a Trey Sermon fan.

769
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 3: But it's still most hurt until he gets hurt somebody else.

770
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 3: We're gonna talk about later. I won't say his name yet.

771
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 3: It's just more about the guys behind him. And the

772
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 3: biggest part is you mentioned it. It's Connor is back

773
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 3: there healthy right now. Yes, Connor has been hurt basically

774
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 3: every year of his career. But what you figure to

775
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: tell me Connor down at RB thirty eight versus Edmunds

776
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 3: at RB twenty seven.

777
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 4: To me, they should be almost.

778
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 3: Back to back in the drafts and that's the biggest

779
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 3: reason for it.

780
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I do think Edmunds. It kind of

781
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 2: varies a little bit based on the scoring system too.

782
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 2: Because in a full PPR league, I think Edmunds offers

783
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 2: some interesting upside because I do think he'll get more

784
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 2: of that, like more of the Kenyan Drake role, and

785
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: he'll I think he'll still retain his receiving role. But

786
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 2: you're right in that he is going to always be

787
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: a committee back. That's why they got James Connor. So

788
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 2: cardinal running backs. These, you know, a lot of these

789
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 2: last few years have been tough to predict. I remember

790
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 2: that year David Johnson got bench and then Edmonds got bench,

791
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 2: and then he trade for Drake and then and now

792
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,959
Speaker 2: you know, Drake is gone, and so who knows if.

793
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 3: Nothing else, help me, help me drive his price down

794
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 3: and get him to the thirties and then I'll be right,

795
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 3: let's get him down.

796
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 4: Let's yeah.

797
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 2: No, that's where I was on that. That's where I

798
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 2: was getting him. You know, way early.

799
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: I was like, oh this is this could turn out well.

800
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: But I do agree it's probably he's kind of been

801
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 2: creeping up there a little bit.

802
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: Sean, who are you fading in the RB three tier?

803
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 5: So I'm a bit like disturbed by Ronald Jones ADP,

804
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 5: especially in half PPR, Like I don't get it. I

805
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,919
Speaker 5: can't wrap my head around it. I have a draft

806
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,959
Speaker 5: Leonard for not above Ronald Jones. I mean, it's pretty

807
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 5: clear that Leonard Fournette and Giovanni Bernard lower Ronald Jones

808
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 5: floor end ceiling. I just don't get why people are

809
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 5: still drafting Ronald Jones. So, you know, moving on from him,

810
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 5: I think that you know, Melvin Gordon and Raheem Mosert.

811
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 5: If you kind of mess up and go the zero

812
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 5: running back strategy and you're drafting your Week one starter

813
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 5: right now, go ahead and draft and Melvin Gordon or

814
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 5: Raheem Mosert. They're gonna have early season value, but their

815
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 5: value is gonna disappear by mid season. I think, you

816
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 5: know Jake already mentioned. I think Javonte Williams and Trey

817
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 5: Sermon will probably be the starting running backs in the

818
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 5: second half of the season. So these are guys that

819
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 5: I'm completely avoiding where they're going in the draft, But

820
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 5: they do serve a purpose. If you do need a

821
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 5: starting running back to start the season, I'm okay with them.

822
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 5: But long term, if we're trying to win a fantasy

823
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 5: football league and plan for the fancy playoffs, you do

824
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 5: not want either of these backs.

825
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are just like so many guys that kind

826
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 2: of stick out as warning signs here for me, Raheem

827
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 2: Moster is you know, I'll start with him because I

828
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 2: do agree.

829
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be in the mix. But

830
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: ultimately he.

831
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 2: Was always a guy that was a high efficiency guy

832
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 2: that never truly was able to handle that you twenty

833
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 2: plus Carrie workload. Be it because he got hurt or

834
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 2: just because it was just kind of working out better

835
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: in a committee anyway, and everything we've kind of seen

836
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 2: in terms of because I think it's really important to

837
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 2: kind of understand how franchises are thinking and how the

838
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: front offices are thinking. That's why I love what you

839
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 2: do over at the Athletic, Jake, because I think you

840
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 2: have you're very on top of these kind of things,

841
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: and I just don't think they view him as a

842
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 2: guy that's a true feature back, true starting running back,

843
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna see a lot of sermon.

844
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna.

845
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 2: Remember you have Gallman and Mitchell, and you had Wilson,

846
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 2: you know, before he got hurt. So there are just

847
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 2: a lot of guys here. To the point where I

848
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: think I said it earlier this season, Sean, I don't

849
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 2: know who to draft in San Francisco, and I'm kind

850
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: of fine fading everyone.

851
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: Sermon seems like the most kind of palatable.

852
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 2: I guess you could say choice for me, but I

853
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 2: think it's gonna be a clusterfuck.

854
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,959
Speaker 5: And as always, right right, the guy that we don't

855
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 5: talk about, So it's gonna be Wayne Mitchell.

856
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 4: No, Elijah Mitchell.

857
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 5: Elijah Mitchell is almost too obvious. It's gonna be Wayne

858
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 5: Goldman because nobody.

859
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 2: Hey, Wayne Gorman had a better last two years than

860
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley, so you know, it's you know, aside from

861
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 2: a couple of those big Saquon games, like, it could

862
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: be anyone.

863
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: That's my point.

864
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 2: I think the idea is to keep Mostered in that

865
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 2: you know, eight to ten touch range and go from there.

866
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: And remember, I mean, I don't like who knows. Moster

867
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 2: was a very very good special teamer back in the day.

868
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 2: You know, if they have enough running backs, they can

869
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: always throw him back on special teams.

870
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: So like we you never know.

871
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 3: What I always say, it's Kyle Shanahan, and he's the

872
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 3: minus touch of running backs. He turns every running back

873
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 3: into goal. We wouldn't know Jeff Wilson if it wasn't

874
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 3: for Kyle Shanahan. So I'm with you guys in the fact,

875
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 3: if you just look at the players, who's the most

876
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 3: talented running back Trey Sermon? We hope that that breaks

877
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 3: out and in the thirties, that's reasonable. But to your point, Chris,

878
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 3: and I think where we get out away from it

879
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 3: is if he starts getting near the RB two range

880
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 3: and now you're drafting, as you mentioned earlier in the

881
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 3: show with other players, as you start drafting, and where

882
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,439
Speaker 3: now he has to lead, and if moster doesn't get hurt,

883
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 3: how much is that lead in a percentage basis? So

884
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 3: that's where you always got to take that as you

885
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 3: can be in on guys, but don't go so far

886
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 3: that you've eliminated any potential return value.

887
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, because this is the spot you're talking about, you know,

888
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: twenty fifty thirty six.

889
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 1: You're essentially looking for guys that fall.

890
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: You're looking for guys near the back of tears that

891
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: can jump some of these other guys who cause there's

892
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of bus in this range. You're

893
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: looking for those guys that can jump those guys and

894
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: you know, you shouldn't be chasing guys up the draft board.

895
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 2: In terms of adp Ronald Jones is another guy that

896
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: really sticks out to me. I mean, I don't even

897
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: like Fournette either, because this Giovanni Bernard signing. Hearkens me

898
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: back to twenty nineteen. Remember in twenty nineteen when everyone

899
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 2: was trying to figure out the Bucks backfield, will it

900
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: be Ronald Jones or will it be Peyton Barber? And

901
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: you know what happened. It was really neither because Jones

902
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 2: finished outside of the top twenty five, Barber finished outside

903
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: the top forty, and dare agoonbo Walle pretty much never

904
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 2: carried the ball but played about a third of the

905
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: snaps and got thirty excuse me, forty five targets thirty

906
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 2: five catches.

907
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: So it was a three headed monster.

908
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 2: Tom Brady in Tampa had a guy named James White

909
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 2: in New England did not really you know, Ronald Jones

910
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 2: not really a past threat. We saw that already. That's

911
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 2: why Fournette went from essentially like a healthy scratch to

912
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 2: be in the key back in the playoffs because Brady

913
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: was more comfortable with him. But Fournette's not really a

914
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 2: great pass receiver either or a great passing game back.

915
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: I mean, he was just kind of pushed into that

916
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 2: duty last year and it worked because you had so

917
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 2: many weapons. So it was like, no one's covering Fournette

918
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 2: when you have Mike Evans and god Winn and Brown

919
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 2: and Drunk and you know, all these guys. So, okay,

920
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: Fournette had a bunch of catches last year. But I

921
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 2: think Tom, I think this is kind of Arian saying, hey,

922
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 2: we did this in twenty nineteen, let's do it again

923
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 2: with Jeo Bernard, and I think that kills both of

924
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 2: their values. Because Jones is very one dimensional, He's going

925
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: to be even more so. And then Fournette I think

926
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 2: loses some of that receiving upside that really made him

927
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 2: pop down the stretch last and into the postseason last year.

928
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 2: So just like I am, I'm off to Tampa Bay Backs.

929
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 2: I don't really see a reason to draft those guys.

930
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 2: And some forget who mentioned Melvin Gordon, but yeah, I

931
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 2: think he's his value is going downhill as the season progresses.

932
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 2: Definitely do want Javonte Williams and then David Johnson, another guy.

933
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: You know, he's RB thirty three I mean, this Houston

934
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 2: team is going to be terrible.

935
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: Uh, this is not.

936
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 2: The coaching regime that traded one of the best receivers

937
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 2: in the game for David Johnson. Uh, David Johnson looked

938
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 2: broken like two three years ago already, like this is

939
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 2: just a disaster waiting to happen. You have you know,

940
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: mark Ingram has history with the coaching staff, Philip They

941
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 2: brought in Philip Windsay, who's you know, a famous kind

942
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,439
Speaker 2: of committee back that caps the ceiling of the other

943
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 2: guy in the committee.

944
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 1: And Uh, it's just just not a good situation.

945
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 4: And what the crazy thing is? You know what the

946
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 4: crazy thing is?

947
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 3: Did you know that David Johnson was top fifteen and

948
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 3: fancy points per game last year?

949
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah? I remember this.

950
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 3: Is like you see him on the draft board. He's

951
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 3: the He's the epitome of I guess I'll make that pick.

952
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 3: That's what he is this year.

953
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 2: Nope, Nope, I think that I think last year was

954
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 2: the year to draft him. I think last year it

955
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, we don't want we don't really want

956
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 2: Todd Gurley here. We know we should avoid Todd Gurley.

957
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 2: Who can we kind of get that that doesn't disgusting.

958
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 4: You're not taking David Johnson in the eighth round.

959
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 5: Well, he had he had Deshaun Watson as his quarterback

960
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 5: last year. He probably doesn't.

961
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 3: I mean that's that is true as well. So yeah,

962
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 3: Tyron is not the worst.

963
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 4: We've seen Tyro the.

964
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 5: Best either, But yeah, I just think the writing's on

965
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 5: the wall for this guy, David Johnson.

966
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,439
Speaker 1: I mean, again, he hasn't looked good in like.

967
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 2: What two three years. He's entering his age thirty season.

968
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 2: That is not comforting. And he's literally on what we

969
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 2: expect to be the worst team and worst offense and

970
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: thus worst game script in the league. Now, could he

971
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: gets some receiving work, sure, but I just don't like

972
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 2: the fact that now even got potentially like a Rex

973
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: burkehead who could take over for Buddy Howell, which means

974
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: that another active running back that could eat into the

975
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 2: snaps versus Howell who never played.

976
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: So it's just a.

977
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 4: Lot, right, they're the crappy Bucks. Just stay away from

978
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 4: the backfield.

979
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, Bucks, we're staying away for different reasons. Yeah, no, no, no, no,

980
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 2: but Texans, Yeah, staying away from one of those guys.

981
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 2: So yeah, that was a lot that was a lot

982
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 2: of guys. But yeah, I think that's where the land

983
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 2: mines are this year. It's into that RB three tier

984
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 2: a little more so than in that than in that

985
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 2: RB two tier.

986
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: At least for this year.

987
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 2: Jake, what about outside the top thirty six, Who are

988
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 2: some guys that you're really keen on that that you

989
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 2: think could return top thirty six value.

990
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you see what I put down there, it's

991
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 3: all the Williams is. I just even Davonte if you could,

992
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 3: because he's higher up. But if you can give me

993
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 3: all four Williams, I'll be happy with that, because give

994
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 3: me Jamal because it's Anthony Lynn. It's this you know,

995
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 3: different regime. I'm not comparing Jamal Williams to the talent

996
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 3: of DeAndre Swift as a runner. DeAndre Swift was in

997
00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 3: my Tier one in his draft alongside the Dobbins and

998
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 3: now Jonathan Taylor that year, so I believe in the talent.

999
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 3: But this is the one I mentioned in the articles.

1000
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 3: I can love the player and hate the situation. You've

1001
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 3: mentioned it already dealing with a little bit of injury,

1002
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 3: split backfield, very likely with Anthony Lynn, and what's going

1003
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,720
Speaker 3: on there and what people don't realize about Jamal Williams

1004
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 3: is he's one of the better pass blocking running backs

1005
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 3: in the NFL. Is why he sees a lot of fieldwork,

1006
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 3: which means for everybody that's like, oh, well, the Lions

1007
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 3: are going to be passing a lot, that doesn't mean

1008
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 3: it's always necessarily DeAndre Swift. And if anything happens DeAndre Swift.

1009
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 3: We've seen Jamal Williams put up top fifteen running back numbers.

1010
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 3: Granted it was on the Packers, but I'm just saying

1011
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 3: you're getting Jamal Williams down at forty five for running backs,

1012
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 3: one twenty six overall. And let's talk about the two

1013
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 3: undrafted running backs and Darryl and Damien who are the

1014
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 3: backups for their team won a former chief and won

1015
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 3: the new chief behind Clyde Edwards Hilaire. If anything were

1016
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 3: to happen to the leads on their team, Darrel Williams

1017
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 3: and Damian Williams I don't think necessarily be top fifteen,

1018
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 3: but two of the higher end backups in my opinion,

1019
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 3: maybe not on the level of Latavius Murray, but by

1020
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 3: far and sure should not be undrafted running backs right now.

1021
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Daryl Williams is interesting. We'll get to him in

1022
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 2: a second. But Sean, who are you talking to? Assid

1023
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 2: a top thirty six.

1024
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 5: So this feels like cheating because Trey Sermon is number

1025
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 5: thirty seven on this list, so I have to fill

1026
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 5: him out there. But we've already talked about him. You know,

1027
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 5: he's He's a guy that I like drafting as my

1028
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 5: RB four. Probably not going to offer you value at

1029
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 5: the beginning of the season, but that's totally fine. He's

1030
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 5: going to be on your bench, so you're saving him

1031
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 5: for when he eventually does overtake mos or Mosert gets hurt.

1032
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 5: But I love his upside. We already talked about how

1033
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:39,919
Speaker 5: great is to have a forty nine ers running back

1034
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 5: in the Kyle Shanahan scheme. So love taking him. And

1035
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 5: then I oh, as his tradition, I have to mention

1036
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 5: Latavius Murray is one of my favorite backups to take

1037
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 5: right now. He's the RB forty six, and you know

1038
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 5: this range. Honestly, it all comes down to luck. You

1039
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 5: need the starter to get hurt. There's really no way

1040
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 5: to predict that. But he could offer value even if

1041
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 5: Kamara were to stay healthy all season. I mean he

1042
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 5: finishes the RB thirty three last year and Kamara played

1043
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 5: fifteen games, so you know he's going to provide you

1044
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 5: RB three flex value when you're in a pinch, whether

1045
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 5: you have like a heavy bye week or have injuries

1046
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 5: mounting up. Like he can be a plug and play

1047
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 5: kind of guy. We kind of know the game scripts

1048
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 5: when we should play him. So I love him, and

1049
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 5: you know, he offers that RB one upside in the

1050
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 5: event that Alvin Kamara does this time. So he's just

1051
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 5: one of my favorite back to target in this range

1052
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 5: just because of his high floor end ceiling combo.

1053
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, with tavia Is it just never gets old.

1054
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 2: And I mean he's not a very expensive handcuff to

1055
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 2: Alvin Kamara, who remember averages thirty PPR points with Michael

1056
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 2: Thomas out of the lineup. So I think that handcuff

1057
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 2: is going to be very important because I'm actually taking

1058
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 2: Kamara second in some spots when I can get him.

1059
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 2: So yeah, don't forget about with Tavius Murray. I did

1060
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 2: want to talk about Darryl Williams for a second again

1061
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 2: because I do think it's interesting. Edwards Hilaire, you know,

1062
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 2: this seems like it could be his breakout. Either they're

1063
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 2: talking about getting a more receiving usage, and Williams came

1064
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 2: on strong down the stretch. But I have been hearing

1065
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 2: that Jared McKinnon has been having.

1066
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: A very very good camp.

1067
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 2: Now, hey, like this is this is Andy Reid and

1068
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 2: like he likes like I like. Darrel Williams has been

1069
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: a guy that, you know, he fills a certain type

1070
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 2: of role. He's a downhill north south guy. You can

1071
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: put him in in short yardage or whatnot. But McKinnon

1072
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 2: is more dynamic and you know, he can line up,

1073
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: you know, at different spots. He can wind up in

1074
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 2: the slot. He can be kind of a true backup

1075
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 2: to Edwards d lair. So off Williams and I think

1076
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 2: I'm actually taking some last round dark throws.

1077
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: On McKinnon here.

1078
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean listen, like it's never a bad idea

1079
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 5: to invest in Chiefs running backs. But Jared McKinnon always

1080
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 5: looks good this time of yere because he's a freak athlete.

1081
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 5: But once tackling.

1082
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 2: Healthy, right, Yeah, I mean, I'm just saying he's going,

1083
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 2: you know, like you get right.

1084
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, four games started last year and it was the

1085
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 3: first time he had plays in twenty seventeen. Like, hey,

1086
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 3: I guess I can't laugh too much because I'm also

1087
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 3: the same idiot drafting Rashot Penny in the thirteenth round.

1088
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 4: So there you go.

1089
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm here in DJ dallas is because remember

1090
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 2: they don't like Penny in the past game for whatever reason,

1091
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 2: they never have and I'm hearing DJ Dallas might actually

1092
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 2: get what amounts to the RB two row in Seattle

1093
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 2: because he's going to be the pass down back of

1094
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: Chris Carson comes out leaving Penny and like here, no

1095
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 2: man's land.

1096
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 3: And this is why I go running back early, because

1097
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 3: I'd rather be throwing my darts at wide receivers than

1098
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 3: these guys who don't even protect like Penny, as you mentioned,

1099
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 3: Penny and Dallas and McKinnon and Darwin and Darryl and

1100
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 3: like I'd rather like, okay, even if the league guy

1101
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 3: gets hurt, is it just gonna be a cluster as

1102
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 3: you said before, behind them anyway. So I'd just been

1103
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 3: rather taking those dart throws on like a Jalen Rager

1104
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 3: bouncing back in the second year, or a Henry Ruggs

1105
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 3: bouncing back in his second year, like those kind of

1106
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 3: guys I'd rather just be doing that.

1107
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 2: And speaking of the starter getting hurt, a couple of

1108
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 2: guys that I think are worth noting because their ADP

1109
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 2: is pretty pretty decent, Like I don't mind it AJ

1110
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 2: Dillon at RB thirty nine. Yes, we're talking about Jamal

1111
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 2: Williams doing to Detroit. And while he very well, maybe

1112
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 2: the value relative to Swift I have my kind of doubts.

1113
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 2: I don't think he's a bad pick. I just think

1114
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 2: I think Swift has a higher kind of floor ceiling combination.

1115
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 2: But remember, Williams was playing on a lot of pass downs,

1116
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 2: he was getting receiving work, and he was mixing in

1117
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 2: in terms of carries. So whatever Aaron Jones feels that

1118
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 2: Williams was doing, Like if Aaron Jones is gonna get

1119
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 2: more passing game usage, AJ Dillon's going to fill in,

1120
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 2: then you know, make up the difference. And this was

1121
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 2: essentially a sixty forty split Jones and Williams. Sometimes it

1122
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 2: got closer to even fifty five to forty five in

1123
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 2: certain games. And AJ Dillon a guy they drafted on

1124
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 2: Day two last season. I think this is the time

1125
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 2: when they unwish him, and he's one injury away, from

1126
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 2: really being in just the driver's sept because behind him

1127
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 2: there's just Kylon Hill. We know the Packers haven't really

1128
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 2: had confidence in any other running backs, So I mean,

1129
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 2: I think Dylan turns into a RB one and kind

1130
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 2: of inherits Jones value anytime Jones goes down, but may

1131
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,240
Speaker 2: even offer standalone flex value.

1132
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: So I like that pick at thirty nine.

1133
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 2: And then Tony Poward seems like we talk about him

1134
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 2: every year, but we're out of campus.

1135
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: He is going to get more receiving usage.

1136
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 2: And another guy, you know, we're excited about this Dallas offense,

1137
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 2: and Howard's kind of the forgotten guy.

1138
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: I mean, it's Zeke and the three receivers.

1139
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 2: We don't know what's going to happen at tight end,

1140
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 2: but this could be a bad defense yet again, it

1141
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 2: could be a high volume pass offense. So I wouldn't

1142
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 2: be surprised to see Poward's best season yet, especially Zeke,

1143
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 2: you know, coming off the down year.

1144
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: We'll see if that affects anything, but.

1145
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 2: A pretty decent value pick here with even some outside

1146
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 2: you know, an outside chance at some standalone value.

1147
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 3: Are you're going to drop down to fifty three and

1148
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 3: Chewba Hubbard, I mean, backed up behind Christian McCaffrey. Man,

1149
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 3: And if everybody remembers paid attention to college, if Hubbard

1150
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 3: came out two years ago instead this past year, people

1151
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,240
Speaker 3: were talking about him as a first rounder and obviously

1152
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 3: we cooled off from what his realistic expectations should be.

1153
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 3: But again, if you that's another backfield, look behind Hubbard

1154
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 3: and tell me who's going to contend with Hubbard for

1155
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 3: touches if Christian McCaffery gets hurt again, I love it.

1156
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,959
Speaker 2: That was that was gonna be like a we're gonna

1157
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 2: go to deep sleepers in just a bit.

1158
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's.

1159
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 4: I mean, you saw how valuable you're super deep.

1160
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 2: We saw how valuable the backup to Christian McCaffrey was

1161
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 2: last season, you know, if he paid attention. You know,

1162
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 2: Reggie Boniffin, I think coming into the you know, in

1163
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 2: the offseason, was thought to be it, but eventually Mike

1164
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 2: Davis kind of emerged if he paid attention to the

1165
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 2: camp report. So I think Hubbard is a guy to

1166
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:23,280
Speaker 2: monitor most definitely. And Boston Scott, you know, Boston Scott,

1167
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 2: it's just kind of by default, right It's it's a

1168
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 2: new coaching staff. We're talking about a committee with Miles

1169
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 2: him and Miles Sanders. So why am I going to

1170
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 2: take Miles Sanders inside the top twenty and I could

1171
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: get Boston Scott as the seventy fifth running back. I'm

1172
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 2: not saying I take him all the time. I'm just

1173
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 2: saying here's a guy who you can essentially get for free,

1174
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 2: that his team is talking about a significant role for him.

1175
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: So I think he's interesting.

1176
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 2: I think Darrynton Evans is interesting headed into year two

1177
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 2: in Tennessee as well, just because so many carries in

1178
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 2: front of him. If Derrick Henry ever miss his time,

1179
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 2: so yeah, but that's that's never gonna happen. Hey, we

1180
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 2: said we thought that about McCaffrey. I mean, after these

1181
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 2: three hundred plus Cary seasons, you gotta be careful.

1182
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,280
Speaker 5: Derrick Henry is built different. He's never getting hurt.

1183
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, And everybody's out there acting it.

1184
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 3: Gets five straight seasons of three hundred and fifty carries,

1185
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 3: He's only carried the ball three hundred times two years

1186
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 3: in a row. If Derek Henry gets hurt, thank you, Sean.

1187
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 3: If Derek Henry gets hurt because a linebacker fell into

1188
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 3: his knees sideways and it was a freak injury. Derrick Henry,

1189
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,919
Speaker 3: zero concerns. He's on my top four. I'm so glad

1190
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 3: you brought that up.

1191
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 4: Sean.

1192
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Derek Henry.

1193
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 2: I actually just took him a day in a salary

1194
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 2: cap league, one hundred hour league. I got Kamara and

1195
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 2: Derrick Henry and just had to kind of build build

1196
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 2: scrubs around those guys. But love Henry, just saying Darren

1197
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 2: ton Evans another cheap guy the usage and if he

1198
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 2: if Henry ever goes down, even if he misses the

1199
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 2: game or two, I think you're getting a really good

1200
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 2: value there. So let's switch gears a little bit because

1201
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 2: we've been doing a bunch of these podcasts.

1202
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: We're on the new feed, Jake.

1203
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 2: We know you're a really sharp guy all around, so

1204
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 2: we're gonna go not just running back but every position.

1205
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:09,399
Speaker 2: Who are your top mid round targets at quarterback, running back,

1206
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 2: wide receiver, and tight end?

1207
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 4: Easy, easy, easy all.

1208
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 3: I know there's been a hesitancy with Joe Burrow doesn't

1209
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 3: look great so far, and he's tentative and like we

1210
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 3: still have time obviously to adjust, but as of right now,

1211
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 3: my initial projection spat out Joe Burrow as leading the

1212
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 3: league in past attempts, which wouldn't shock me at all

1213
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 3: average forty a game last year before getting hurt. And

1214
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 3: one thing about it, I said, we want volume at

1215
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 3: our positions. If you look at what he did on

1216
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 3: a pass attempts yards basis, he's actually set up for

1217
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 3: positive regression with the touchdown department of where he was

1218
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 3: with last year. And now you add Chase to that

1219
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 3: receiving crew. I love Joe Burrow. I told you I

1220
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 3: was saving Michael Carter. This is Michael Carter time. In

1221
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 3: the draft. I had him on the same tier as

1222
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 3: Devonte Williams, and everybody called me crazy. I told I

1223
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 3: told Chris before we did the show. Sean, It's like

1224
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 3: I have the receipts for everybody that told me that

1225
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 3: I was crazy. And now everybody's coming on to the

1226
00:57:59,240 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 3: Michael Carter band.

1227
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 4: There's still room.

1228
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 3: I'm welcoming you on the bandwagon, but don't pretend like

1229
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 3: you were here the entire time. Michael Carter is in

1230
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 3: the Austin Eckler mold. He doesn't need to carry the

1231
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 3: ball twenty times a game because he's that dynamic in

1232
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 3: that fourteen to seventeen eighteen touch per game. I love

1233
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 3: Carter in that backfield though. As soon as they drafted

1234
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 3: him he was the best talent and would have a

1235
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 3: great season. This is a well known name, but Brandon Cooks,

1236
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 3: I don't care who the quarterback is.

1237
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 4: Put me at quarterback.

1238
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 3: One hundred and thirty one hundred and forty targets volume

1239
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 3: for Brandon Cooks, and now you're pushing him down to

1240
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 3: wide receiver three territory. Who by the way, Brandon Cooks

1241
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 3: has never not finished as a top fifteen wide receiver

1242
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,959
Speaker 3: outside the year he got hurt for everybody out there,

1243
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 3: so I don't care that there's no Deshaun Watson. I'm

1244
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 3: taking Brandon Cooks and then my two favorites at tight end.

1245
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 3: Everybody wanted Higby last year because of what he did

1246
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 3: to finish the year before that. Well, guess whatever, it's

1247
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 3: off in Seattle. Now he's got Matthew Stafford a quarterback.

1248
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 3: And then similarly, in a different fashion, Adam Trupman, who,

1249
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 3: when I talk about him coming out of Calle was

1250
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 3: a matchup problem in the passing game, but being a

1251
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 3: tight end needed some time to develop. In the NFL,

1252
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 3: could be the number two receiving option, well, number three

1253
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 3: factory Alvin Kamara, but number two receiver that coming out

1254
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 3: of the backfield for that team. I think Troutman is

1255
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 3: very much set to be a potential top ten tight

1256
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:19,919
Speaker 3: end this year.

1257
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: Love it, Sean, Who are your mid round targets for

1258
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one?

1259
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 5: So my mid round targets are at quarterback Jaalen Hurts.

1260
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 5: I mean that's the latest. So you can get a

1261
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 5: QB with legit QB one upside, So I love taking

1262
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 5: him there. Kareem Hunt already mentioned him offers an insanely

1263
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 5: high floor ceiling combo. I know Nick Chubb is a

1264
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 5: threat to his workload, but you know Hunt should be

1265
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 5: able to return value even if Chubb plays all season

1266
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 5: and has top five upside when Chubb is out of

1267
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 5: the lineup. I say this every year. Never underestimate Robbie Anderson.

1268
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 5: So I love him in the mid rounds at wide receiver.

1269
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 5: He's reuniting with Sam Darnold. They already have great chemistry,

1270
00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 5: so I love him. You can get him as your

1271
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,439
Speaker 5: white three or even on your bench, that's how low

1272
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 5: he's going. And then tight end at tight end t J. Hawkinson.

1273
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 5: He allows you to attack other positions early in the

1274
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 5: draft and still land an elite tight end one in

1275
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 5: my opinion, in rounds five and six. He's in my

1276
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 5: optimal draft strategy when it comes to tight end, so

1277
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 5: he's my most valuable tight end the draft in mid rounds.

1278
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 2: Love it for me my mid round targets in twenty

1279
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 2: twenty one. At quarterback, you've heard this one before, Jayalen

1280
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 2: Hurts again.

1281
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: I think Sean you put it perfectly.

1282
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 2: This guy has legit QB one upside and he's going

1283
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 2: oftentimes outside the top ten quarterbacks. Yes, there's a little

1284
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 2: bit of risk, but there's also massive upside and there

1285
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 2: is not much downside I think at where he is

1286
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 2: being picked. At running back, I love me some Darryl

1287
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 2: Henderson and some Chris Carson, two guys that I think

1288
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 2: will push for touches in the high teens on a

1289
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 2: weekly basis on two of the better offenses in the

1290
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 2: National Football League. At wide receiver, I love the second

1291
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 2: year breakout potential for Chase Claypool. He essentially broke out

1292
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 2: already last year, but he's kind of a poor man's

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Speaker 2: Ceedee Lamb in that entering year two, we are expecting

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01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 2: a jump in routes run. Claypool was generally in the

1295
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 2: sixty to seventy percent routes run range as a rookie.

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Speaker 2: If he starts playing eighty ninety percent and he's on

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Speaker 2: the field in three wide sets every down along with

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Speaker 2: Deontay and Juju, he is going to blow up and obligatory.

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01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 2: Robbie Anderson mentioned again stealing Shawn Stunder with that and

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Speaker 2: with TJ. Hockinson, because he's the last tight end in

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01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 2: the you know, the second tier of tight end ones.

1302
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 2: Once he's off the board, that usually means that I'm

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01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 2: just waiting to the end. So I love him and

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01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 2: I love the fit with Jared Goff. Goff doesn't like

1305
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 2: to throw it downfield. Goff was the guy that jammed

1306
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 2: it into Tyra Higbee so much in twenty nineteen. You know,

1307
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 2: he's just a guy that and for a team that

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01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 2: is expected to be one of the leagu's worst, so

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Speaker 2: GoF is a guy that's going to target I think

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01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 2: the tight end anyway, there's not really many wide receivers

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01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 2: to speak of. You have a bad team with passing

1312
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 2: game scripts, you have a tight end entering year three.

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01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 2: I see some potential here for a tight end one,

1314
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 2: tight end two overall season if some things break right

1315
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 2: and Detroit is the absolute message just has to pass

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01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 2: all the time.

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Speaker 1: So love me some TJ. Hockinson. Now, let's go on

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Speaker 1: to everyone's.

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Speaker 2: Favorite sleepers, Jake, who are your top sleepers at each position?

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01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 2: And we're defining sleepers as players not currently being drafted,

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01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 2: as fantasy starters that we think will finish as such.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so undervalued or you know, obviously the wealth of

1323
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 3: information that's out there nowadays, there's no such thing as

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01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 3: sleepers anymore.

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01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 4: But I go with a kind of different route on

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Speaker 4: a couple of these.

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01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 3: But Daniel Jones at quarterback and kind of pains me

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01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 3: a little bit because as an organization, I want Ganielman

1329
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 3: gun and I want to be able to root for

1330
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 3: my giants again. But I can also evaluate when the

1331
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 3: opportunity is here when you push Daniel Jones outside the

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01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 3: top twenty and everybody seemingly he's.

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Speaker 4: Part of my last year's trash article.

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Speaker 3: That's why I do this every single year is because

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01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 3: people get really ticked off at players and don't want

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01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 3: to go back to them because they got burned. Daniel

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01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 3: Jones was inside the top fifteen to adp on the

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01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 3: fringe of a QB one and a lot of drafts

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01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 3: because of the rushing up side and because everybody was

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01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 3: calling them the next Josh Allen, which we just do

1341
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 3: with every quarterback now like there's been fifty Josh Allens.

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01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 3: But Daniel Jones can run for five hundred yards, a

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01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 3: few touchdowns in the run game, and then on top

1344
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 3: of it, if he can just get a little bit

1345
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 3: back from two years ago the promise that people saw

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01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 3: with the addition to gall they put Sheppard back in

1347
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 3: the slot, get a healthy Saquon Barkley. You know, Daniel

1348
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 3: Jones with that rushing upside is what can push him

1349
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 3: back into that fringe QB one territory. So now that

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01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 3: he's going outside the top twenty quarterbacks, I'll take him.

1351
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 3: Damien Harris for the Patriots, everybody was always like, oh,

1352
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 3: you don't want to deal with the Belichick backfield, But

1353
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,439
Speaker 3: go back to the days of Lawrence Maroney and Robert

1354
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 3: Edwards and Corey Dillon. You know, backfields are going to

1355
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 3: be accustomed to the coaching, but they will also adapt

1356
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 3: to the talent.

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Speaker 1: They have.

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01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 3: Damien Harris is a good all around talent where you

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01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 3: can put him out there and not telegraph. Now, granted,

1360
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 3: not every single times James White is out there did

1361
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 3: they pass? And not every time Sony Michelle is out

1362
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 3: there do they run? But Damien Harris kind of puts

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01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 3: the defense on a little bit more of their heels

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Speaker 3: of being able to do both. And I think that

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Speaker 3: Harris gives them that weapon where you could see Harris

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Speaker 3: finally giving us that so like solid not solidarity, but

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01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 3: that confidence in their running back behind Belichick.

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Speaker 4: So I like Harris.

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01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 3: Marvin Jones at wide receiver the most disrespected wide receiver

1370
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Speaker 3: in fantasy for however many years now, and the reason

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Speaker 3: I put him there is because I am a DJ

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Speaker 3: Shark fan who is hurt right now and not getting

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01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 3: reps with Lawrence. And if you're talking about a touchdown

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01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 3: maker with Lawrence coming to the NFL, I think Marin

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01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 3: Jones could find his way inside the top twenty, even

1376
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 3: inside the top fifteen if Shark doesn't bounce back this season.

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01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:09,919
Speaker 4: And then my boy, going back.

1378
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 3: To the tight ends that could break out in the second

1379
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 3: year is Cole Comet, who I think finally will kick

1380
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 3: Jimmy Graham to the curb. Maybe similar to what you

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01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 3: know Sean was saying with Trey Sermon is maybe not

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01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:23,439
Speaker 3: the beginning with Week one, two, three, or four right there,

1383
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 3: but by the second half of the season, Cole Comet

1384
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 3: should be the tight end we trust for the Bears.

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Speaker 2: Finally this year, Sean, how about you, what sleepers are

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01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 2: you targeting?

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Speaker 5: So the sleepers on targeting are guys that you know

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01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 5: you're drafting for your bench to start the season, but

1389
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 5: I think can be huge come fancy playoff time, and

1390
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 5: no one fits that better than Trey Lance. You know

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01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 5: when you just look at the fancy playoff schedule for

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01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 5: the forty nine ers. This is assuming that Trey Lance

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01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 5: eventually overtakes Jimmy g which I'm betting on. They play

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01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 5: the Falcons, Titans, and Texans to close up the fancy

1395
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 5: football season. So you want to draw Trey Lance specifically

1396
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 5: to dominate your fantasy playoffs like we did with Jalen

1397
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 5: Hurts last year. And then at running back, same thing

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01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 5: Trey Sermon. You're not drafting him to start Week one

1399
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 5: because he's probably not gonna offer much value, But as

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01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 5: the season goes he's gonna overtake Raheem Mozart at some point.

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01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:17,919
Speaker 5: The foreign ares didn't draft him in the third round

1402
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 5: to backup Raheem Mosert for too long. So again, he's

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01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 5: gonna offer you a ton of value come fantacy playoff time.

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01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 5: So that's why I love loading up on him. And

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01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 5: then Mike Williams. I talk about him every time we

1406
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 5: talk about wide receiver sleepers. I love him heading into

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01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 5: Justin Herbert's year two where Justin Herbert's gonna get only

1408
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 5: He's only gonna get better. Mike Williams should thrive in

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01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 5: offensive coordinator Joe Lombardi's scheme. You know, he comes from

1410
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 5: the Sean Payton coaching tree, and he's already said that

1411
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 5: Mike Williams to be his ex receiver that is the

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01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 5: Michael Thomas role. So I think Mike Williams will have

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01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 5: his best season yet and you'll be starting him by

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01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 5: the end of the season. And then Irv Smith. I

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01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 5: love taking Irv Smith as a late round flyer. You know,

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01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 5: he's usually the tight end thirteen off the board, but

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01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 5: I think he has legit, you know, top five upside

1418
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 5: because we already saw that last year without Kyle Rudolphin

1419
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 5: lineup in weeks fourteen through seventeen, he finishes the tight

1420
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 5: end four. He's essentially the number three wide receiver in

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01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 5: this offense. So I love getting Irv Smith as my

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01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 5: last you know, towards the end of the draft.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Arth Smith is finally unlocked.

1424
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 2: With Kyle Rudolph gone for me, Sleepers quarterback, I'm going

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01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 2: with Zach Wilson. I really like Zach. I think he

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01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 2: can throw the ball downfield. I think that with Adam

1427
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 2: Gay's gone, a lot of people may shy away from

1428
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 2: the uncertainty. But this is a whole new offense we

1429
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 2: talked about Carter. You have Corey Davis, you have Elijah More,

1430
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 2: you still have Crowder, you have a versatile guy in

1431
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 2: Keelan Cole, and you're.

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01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 1: High picked from last year.

1433
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 2: Denzel Mims is all the way down there at third string,

1434
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 2: So they do have some weapons here. I think Wilson

1435
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 2: can move around a little bit, he can throw it deep.

1436
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 2: So and this Jets team could be bad, you know

1437
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 2: they I don't think they really addressed a cornerback situation

1438
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 2: the way they should have, so you could have some

1439
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 2: passing game scripts there too. So like Zach Wilson At

1440
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:17,719
Speaker 2: running back a J. Dillon This is the year. Last

1441
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 2: year he was still blocked by Jamal Williams. They drafted

1442
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 2: him on Day two. Last year, Williams they let go.

1443
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 2: Now Dylan is maybe already locked into a you know,

1444
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:33,759
Speaker 2: a approaching double digit touch role given how they used

1445
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 2: and split Jones in Williams last year, and then if

1446
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:40,680
Speaker 2: Aaron Jones goes down, I think Dylan is a surefire

1447
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 2: number one running back. So love AJ Dillon this year.

1448
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:49,799
Speaker 2: At wide receiver, Mkole Hardman, a guy that I'm finally

1449
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 2: expecting to get into the you know, seventies and eighty

1450
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 2: percents on a weekly basis in in his snap rate.

1451
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 2: You know, he's a guy that's really going to have

1452
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 2: to take a step forward without Sammy Wacke this year.

1453
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,640
Speaker 2: I also like Gabriel Davis in Buffalo. This is a

1454
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 2: year two breakout guy who you might look up. And

1455
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 2: Davis is the number two target on the Buffalo Bills.

1456
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 2: He had seven touchdowns last year, a couple more call back.

1457
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:18,679
Speaker 2: He know, top two in red zone targets for the Bills,

1458
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 2: and he's also targeted on average seventeen yards downfield. So

1459
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:26,480
Speaker 2: he's getting high leverage targets from one of the better.

1460
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: Fantasy quarterbacks in the league.

1461
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 2: And Josh Allen so really like Gabriel Davis, I think

1462
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 2: he is the guy that's going to blow. I don't

1463
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 2: think Emmanuel Sanders is going to be as much of

1464
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 2: a factor as people think. And right remember him and

1465
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 2: Beasley are both on the wrong side of thirty. And

1466
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 2: one more wide receiver another Jets since I'm stacking, since

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01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 2: I'm going with Zach Wilson, Elijah Moore, this guy has

1468
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 2: number one I think.

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01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 1: Wide receiver potential for the Jets.

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01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 2: We thought he was just going to be a slot guy,

1471
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 2: wondering if Crowder was going to kind of block his way,

1472
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 2: but he's been playing on the outside.

1473
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 1: He can play any POSI.

1474
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 2: He is a talented, really talented guy who's been shining

1475
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 2: a camp and I wouldn't be surprised to see more

1476
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 2: lead the Jets in targets this year. So like him

1477
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,759
Speaker 2: and at tight end, Jake you already mentioned it, Tyler Higbee.

1478
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 1: I think he's a guy that's starting to move up

1479
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: people's boards.

1480
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 2: But you look at this Rams team and I think

1481
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 2: there's a lot of value here because you still have

1482
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 2: Sean McVay. Let's remember what he did for Jared Goff,

1483
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:26,759
Speaker 2: and now remember that he has a quarterback he trust.

1484
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 2: They're going to be able to open up the offense

1485
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 2: a little more. And Gerald Everett is no longer here,

1486
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 2: So I think you're gonna see Higbee approach the snap

1487
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 2: and route participation rates that we saw when he was

1488
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 2: just going absolutely bonkers at the end of the twenty

1489
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 2: nineteen season. I'm not saying we're getting a repeat of that,

1490
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,840
Speaker 2: but I'm saying there's opportunity here, especially with akers down.

1491
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:53,760
Speaker 1: I think the Rams could be a very past heavy team.

1492
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 2: Remember it was a couple of years ago Jared Goff

1493
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:59,600
Speaker 2: threw for forty six hundred yards and left some on

1494
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 2: the table. So love Tyro Higbee as another as a

1495
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:05,680
Speaker 2: tight end sleeper in.

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Speaker 1: Twenty twenty one. All right, man, that was a lot.

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Speaker 2: That was a This is a great podcast on the

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Speaker 2: Fantasy Flex. This is new Feed. Jake's Jake, thank you

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01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 2: so much for joining us. Man, really really enjoy and

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Speaker 2: appreciate your insights. Please tell everyone where they can find

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01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 2: you and what you're up to these next few weeks

1502
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 2: heading into the season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Athletic is where all the columns are. If

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Speaker 3: you see the new show All in Football on Bets TV,

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01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 3: you can check that out, which, by the way, also

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Speaker 3: if you want a free monthly the Athletic, you go

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Speaker 3: to the Athletic dot com slash Bets TV, so you

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Speaker 3: get a free first month and you can complain about

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01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 3: my rankings and my comments. You can yell at me

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Speaker 3: over there for free, so have fun doing that. But

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Speaker 3: it's funny we're talking about a lot of these players

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Speaker 3: because some of the ones you touched on, some of

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01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 3: the ones Sean did, and myself. I have a column

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Speaker 3: coming out this week. It's Last Year's Trash. It's one

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01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 3: of my favorite articles to talk about because people get

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01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 3: burned and they get so angry and never want to

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Speaker 3: draft that.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 3: Again, that's some of the best values you can find.

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Speaker 3: So that's what's coming out. But as you mentioned at

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Speaker 3: only Kid, I tweet all this stuff out. That's the

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Speaker 3: easiest way to find it.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, absolutely, thank you so much again, we'll be looking

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Speaker 2: out for that. Definitely, really really enjoy reading your work.

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01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 2: Always top of the line insight in my opinion. Thank

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Speaker 2: you as always for listening to us. Each and every year,

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Speaker 2: and now that we've got this new feed, we really

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Speaker 2: need your help. Please follow, rate, and review the Fantasy

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Speaker 2: Flex Podcast. It's the single biggest way to help us

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Speaker 2: out and help other fantasy fans find us. We'll grab

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Speaker 2: one review on Apple Podcast every week reading up to

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Speaker 2: week one, and Sean and I will send the winner.

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Speaker 1: Some free swag.

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Speaker 2: You guys can find Sean on Twitter at the Underscore

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Speaker 2: Odds Maker. You can find me on Twitter at Chris Raybon,

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Speaker 2: content and our draft tool at actionnetwork dot com. This

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