WEBVTT - Clemson Football Deep Dive with Larry Williams

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<v Speaker 2>help me deep dive the state of Clemson football. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>Larry Williams. We've had him on this show a number

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<v Speaker 2>of times. He is the go to guy for all

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<v Speaker 2>things Clemson football reporting. You can find him at Tiger

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<v Speaker 2>Illustrated dot com. He's been there for as far back

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<v Speaker 2>as I could remember. Doesn't just an amazing job. The

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<v Speaker 2>last we had him on this show was in twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 2>which means that this interview is is long overdue because

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<v Speaker 2>Clemson football. You know, things have gotten a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more interesting at Clemson over the last year or so,

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<v Speaker 2>with Trevor Lawrence going off to the NFL, with coaching turnover,

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<v Speaker 2>with the game changing to some extent around Sweeney. There's

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<v Speaker 2>just a lot more to talk about now than there

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<v Speaker 2>was back then. And Larry, of course is brilliant and

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<v Speaker 2>can help us break all that stuff down. So, without

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<v Speaker 2>further Ado, let's just jump right in. As always, appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>your time and support here downloading the sOliver bol Here's

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<v Speaker 2>Larry Williams from Tiger Illustrated. All righty, we are joined

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<v Speaker 2>now by the one the only. Larry Williams from Tiger Illustrated,

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<v Speaker 2>The host of the Clemson Dubcast, also lists on his

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<v Speaker 2>Twitter bio that he is a dad, a drummer, and

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<v Speaker 2>a griller. Larry Williams, how are you, sir, Great to

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<v Speaker 2>have you back doing great.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thank thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>A drummer, huh. Talk to me about your drumming prowess.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say prowess probably mediocre prowess. Okay. I played

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<v Speaker 1>in bands in college and then for the first decade

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<v Speaker 1>of my professional existence, I was too busy to to

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<v Speaker 1>do it other than in a in a spare bedroom

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<v Speaker 1>with pillows and blankets over over the drums so they

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't wouldn't annoy the neighbors and my wife. But then

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<v Speaker 1>about I think it was after the twenty eleven football season,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, you know what, I think I could I

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<v Speaker 1>could get back to doing this in a band capacity.

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<v Speaker 1>And so since then I've done it on the side

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<v Speaker 1>and it's it's great. It's a great creative diversion. I

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<v Speaker 1>would highly recommend for everybody out there to have something

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<v Speaker 1>that you do this totally separate from your your job,

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<v Speaker 1>even though my job is pretty freaking cool, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>best job in the world. I think it's still it's

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<v Speaker 1>still really great to just mentally and creatively to have

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<v Speaker 1>something apart from that that's the totally different. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>in two bands. One is A is a Grateful Brothers

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<v Speaker 1>Almond Brothers cover band. Uh. Did I say the Grateful

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<v Speaker 1>Brothers are Grateful Dead?

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<v Speaker 2>You said Grateful Brothers, But I think it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Called the Grateful Brothers. Yeah, Grateful Dead Almond Brothers cover band.

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<v Speaker 1>It's this big sound, two drummers and the whole, the

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<v Speaker 1>whole nine yards. And so that's been enormously fun because

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<v Speaker 1>that that's right in my sort of wheelhouse of music

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<v Speaker 1>that I love. And then the second band that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>in is uh, it's called Amongst the Trees and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a it's a blue, grassy, jammy, tight acoustic format with

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<v Speaker 1>an upright bass and acoustic guitars and and I'm the

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<v Speaker 1>only drummer for that, and so it's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>fun to go back and forth between the two. And

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<v Speaker 1>so with things slowing down work wise this time of year,

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<v Speaker 1>this is when I kind of am able to do

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<v Speaker 1>more of than music thing, and so it's a great

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<v Speaker 1>The rhythms of the year are are just I love

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<v Speaker 1>them because I'm able. I mean, I love college football,

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<v Speaker 1>I love what I do professionally, but I also love

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<v Speaker 1>the music thing as well, and so I have a

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<v Speaker 1>really understanding why same same who. Really she totally gets

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<v Speaker 1>the sort of the notion of creative fulfillment, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and totally understanding as far as schedule goes and all that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm really fortunate to be able to do what

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<v Speaker 1>I do on both ends that professionally and creatively.

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<v Speaker 2>That's incredible. So transitioning over into Clemson, did you go

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<v Speaker 2>down into the home studio towards the end of last

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<v Speaker 2>year and really pound away on the drums as things

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<v Speaker 2>were going in a different direction, let's say, with Clemson football.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I was, I went back and I looked to

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<v Speaker 2>see when the last time was that we spoke, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was twenty nineteen, and I remember very vividly in

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<v Speaker 2>that conversation asking you what's it going to take to

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<v Speaker 2>get this Clemson football program out of cruise control? And

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<v Speaker 2>you sort of had an incredibleist answer, like you didn't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody really knew at that point. We still don't, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But your two answers, if I recall correctly, were A

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<v Speaker 2>they're gonna miss or they would have to miss on

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<v Speaker 2>a few recruiting classes and the talent would just have

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<v Speaker 2>to bottom out, or B it would need to take

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<v Speaker 2>some mass turnover on the coaching side. The talent's still there.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's clearly still there, but there has been

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of movement on the coaching front, with two

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<v Speaker 2>coordinators now off elsewhere being head football coaches for the

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<v Speaker 2>coming season. Assistants have left. There's been turnover in the

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<v Speaker 2>athletic department as well, So I don't know, like, what

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<v Speaker 2>did you go down and bang on the drum all day?

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<v Speaker 2>Like what was your reaction to some of what happened

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<v Speaker 2>over the course of the last few months.

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<v Speaker 1>It was stunning. And for me, you know, as a

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<v Speaker 1>as a I guess journalist or chronicler of a of

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<v Speaker 1>a football program, I personally look back and go, what

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<v Speaker 1>did I miss? You know, how could I have better?

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<v Speaker 1>Not predicted it, but seeing the sort of the red

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<v Speaker 1>flags coming, And I think it's fascinating when you mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>the last time we talked was twenty nineteen, because my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>the changes that have occurred since then. Wow, crazy the

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<v Speaker 1>portal and NIL, Like I mean, I remember having discussions

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<v Speaker 1>with my subscribers, you know, Clemson fans, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>could possibly derail this back at that time, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm thinking, I, you know, maybe Ohio State

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<v Speaker 1>or Georgia, you know, the actual teams that you're thinking of.

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<v Speaker 1>And N I l not on my radar portal, not

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<v Speaker 1>on my radar. And so I'm not saying that Clemson

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<v Speaker 1>is being derailed by that, but it does for Clemson

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<v Speaker 1>and and other schools, it just creates, it has created

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<v Speaker 1>a whole new set of things you have to adapt

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<v Speaker 1>to and overcome and and and and you know, sort

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<v Speaker 1>of fashion in your culture, I guess, so to speak.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh, I think I'm guessing. One thing we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about back then, hopefully one thing that I should have

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<v Speaker 1>been able to anticipate at least a little bit, is

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<v Speaker 1>guys like Trevor Lawrence and and Deshaun Watson don't grow

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<v Speaker 1>on trees, you know, you know. Djunnglo Lay certainly highly

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<v Speaker 1>regarded coming in. Certainly a lot of arm talent looks

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<v Speaker 1>like Cam Newton, but we saw this past season that uh,

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<v Speaker 1>he was he wasn't really ready for the spotlight. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess you could say now they had lots of other issues.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't just him. They had injuries all over the place.

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<v Speaker 1>Justin Ross wasn't healthy from the start of the season.

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<v Speaker 1>With a foot injury, you lose Travis Etn, pretty big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Will Shipley showed a lot of promise early, but then

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<v Speaker 1>he was hurt. They didn't have a center really coming

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<v Speaker 1>into the season. Matt Bakhorse had to move over. They

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<v Speaker 1>had injuries all over the place there, and so, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think looking back, I spent the season sort of

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<v Speaker 1>slapping myself in the face for not paying more attention

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<v Speaker 1>to two things. One, it wasn't just Trevor Lawrence and

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<v Speaker 1>Travis Etn that they lost, even though those were two

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<v Speaker 1>monstrous voids to fill. It was also Amari Rodgers and

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<v Speaker 1>Cornell Powell. To two guys I go for those four guys,

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<v Speaker 1>Lawrence Etn, Amari Rodgers, and Cornell Powell. Those guys weren't

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<v Speaker 1>just high level talents. They were high level figures in

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<v Speaker 1>your program, figureheads, and they carried themselves like professionals in

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<v Speaker 1>everything they did. And that sort of leads into the

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<v Speaker 1>second thing. I slapped myself in the face for a

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<v Speaker 1>lot last season. Was not paying more attention to something

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<v Speaker 1>somebody told me last summer during the voluntary workout phase

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<v Speaker 1>of their off season and their summer when they're sort

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<v Speaker 1>of left of their own devices for the most part

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<v Speaker 1>and it's really sort of up to them. I was

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<v Speaker 1>asking somebody fairly close to the program. I heard things going,

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, well, on defense, it's amazing, you know, one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred percent participation and leadership at all three levels just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just remarkable what you see on that side

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<v Speaker 1>of the ball. But on the offensive side it's a story.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe fifty percent participation in leadership really not there. And

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<v Speaker 1>this person said, you know, he said, we're only a

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<v Speaker 1>few injuries from eight to four, and I'm like, come on,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it just seemed like that seemed crazy to me,

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<v Speaker 1>And in the moment, I'm like, wow, that's interesting. But

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't really think about it enough until after the

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<v Speaker 1>opening game when I see kind of weird body language

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<v Speaker 1>on the offensive side of the ball, nobody really taking charge.

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<v Speaker 1>Not that in the opening game being Georgia, not that

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<v Speaker 1>leadership was the reason they didn't win that game. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia was obviously a terror on the defensive side of

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<v Speaker 1>the ball. But you just I saw things last year

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't used to seeing, just in terms of that

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<v Speaker 1>the chemistry aspect of it and the leader ship of

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<v Speaker 1>things like that, and so you know, I think they

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<v Speaker 1>have to That's probably one of their big tasks on

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<v Speaker 1>the offensive side. Uh. This right now, moving into the

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<v Speaker 1>into the summer, is is finding those sort of those pillars,

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<v Speaker 1>those those those strong personalities who who not only you know,

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<v Speaker 1>want the ball on Saturdays to do their thing and

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<v Speaker 1>to show their talent, but the guys who are are

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<v Speaker 1>going to carry themselves like pros and do what they

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<v Speaker 1>have to do off the field as well. In every way.

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<v Speaker 2>The coaching turnover thing is new for Dabbo. Certainly Brent

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<v Speaker 2>Vennable is going to Oklahoma. That got a lot of headlines.

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<v Speaker 2>It was always going to but you know, with turnover

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<v Speaker 2>on the offensive side as well, some assistants sleeve, as

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<v Speaker 2>I said earlier, turnover in the athletic department as well.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you feel like Dabo has dealt with it?

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<v Speaker 2>Slash will do with that now as we start building

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<v Speaker 2>for the twenty twenty two season.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, I think it's something you know the

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<v Speaker 1>outside world when turnover happens, and it's such a such

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<v Speaker 1>big turnover, right with the top assistant in college football

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<v Speaker 1>leaving in Brnt Vinables and then Tony Elliott, who has

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<v Speaker 1>been a major part of your offensive success since two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and fifteen, the reaction on the outside is, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>my gosh, you know, how's he gonna It's as if

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<v Speaker 1>he hasn't been planning for this.

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<v Speaker 2>And came out of nowhere, right Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I mean there have been instances in the

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<v Speaker 1>past where where there had been instances in the past

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<v Speaker 1>where Tony Elliott was talking to other schools, Tennessee being

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<v Speaker 1>one of them a year before Brent Vinables came close

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<v Speaker 1>to leaving for Auburn a year ago. So Dabo is

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<v Speaker 1>a if he's anything, he is extremely meticulous and organized

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of thinking about what's next and having a

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<v Speaker 1>list and all that and and and a backup plan.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he knew that that Venables was there was

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<v Speaker 1>a chance he was going to leave at some point.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though I think Venables would have been happy ending

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<v Speaker 1>his career as a defensive coordinator, you know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>he the Oklahoma just happened to be the perfect opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, so I think that the promotion of Brandon

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<v Speaker 1>Streeter to Phil Elliott's spot, and then the promotion of

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<v Speaker 1>of of Wes Goodwin and Mickey Kahn to replace Venables

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<v Speaker 1>as co defensive coordinators, while it devoked a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>sort of dropped drop dropped jaws on the outside from

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that he didn't, you know, go go pluck

0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:03.880
<v Speaker 1>that you know, highly regarded assistant coach from elsewhere who'd

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<v Speaker 1>been through the wars and all that. I think he

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<v Speaker 1>had that in mind for a while in both respects,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I do think it's a it's a heck

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<v Speaker 1>of an experiment because I can't think of a precedent

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<v Speaker 1>for the good Win promotion. And this is not a

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<v Speaker 1>criticism of it. I'm just saying this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>just reality. I can't think of a precedent in any sport. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure there is something similar where a guy at

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<v Speaker 1>the top of his profession being Venables as the top

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<v Speaker 1>defensive coordinator, you could argue assistant coach in the country.

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<v Speaker 1>He leaves and you replace him with a support staffer,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, somebody who hasn't even been a full time

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<v Speaker 1>assistant yet I immediately because it was off my radar

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<v Speaker 1>too when that when that happened, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I was going to say. Did you expect

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<v Speaker 2>that move? No, expected a different direction.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I didn't expect it. And that's another one of

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<v Speaker 1>Devo's strengths is man, he can keep stuff close to

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<v Speaker 1>the ves, like his his plan. So I wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>surprised if there were if fewer than three or four

0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:21.080
<v Speaker 1>people anyway anywhere knew that that was what he was

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<v Speaker 1>considered doing. But in the in the aftermath of us

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<v Speaker 1>learning that that was the direction he was headed in,

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<v Speaker 1>I you know, the first thing I did was try

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<v Speaker 1>to reach out to people who had been around Wes

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<v Speaker 1>over the years, and man, everybody I talked to, from

0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Kevin Steele who worked with Wes when Steele was the

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<v Speaker 1>defensive coordinator here, to Ellis Johnson, who was with Wes

0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:52.040
<v Speaker 1>when Wes was a support staff for Mississippi State, on

0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:56.680
<v Speaker 1>down the line, former players, none of them batter than

0:16:56.800 --> 0:17:00.600
<v Speaker 1>I at the thought of him running his own show

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<v Speaker 1>and calling place. He was the right hand man of

0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:09.080
<v Speaker 1>Brent when he was here. You know, the whole I

0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:13.600
<v Speaker 1>guess concept of stealing signals whatever I mean, I call

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<v Speaker 1>it memorization and and and preparing for every single kind

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<v Speaker 1>of formation and tendency that I just call it supreme

0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:27.760
<v Speaker 1>study and and even photographic memory, which is sort of

0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:31.840
<v Speaker 1>his wheelhouse. Even though you didn't hear his name much

0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:36.480
<v Speaker 1>during the success under Venables, he was right there.

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<v Speaker 2>Are we talking photographic memory like Sean McVay style where

0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:42.280
<v Speaker 2>he can like recite a play from three years ago?

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<v Speaker 2>Are we talking to that degree?

0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:48.359
<v Speaker 1>I think so, well, yeah, yeah he was. And Wes

0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:55.920
<v Speaker 1>was also with the Cardinals, Arizona Cardinals, and it's extremely

0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:59.760
<v Speaker 1>well thought of from people uh in in that organization.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you know, I think that Invenables also wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to take him to Norman too. And I asked Wes this,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I'd heard that it was under the same

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<v Speaker 1>title like co defensive coordinator, you know, a high profile position.

0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:21.720
<v Speaker 1>So I asked Wes, I said, what what did he

0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:24.399
<v Speaker 1>What did Brent want you to do? And he said, well,

0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:27.880
<v Speaker 1>I can tell you this. It wasn't the co defensive

0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:31.840
<v Speaker 1>coordinator in linebackers coach at Clemson. So there's there's that

0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:35.680
<v Speaker 1>Wes loves it here and the belief that I mean,

0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:38.720
<v Speaker 1>if you're in his shoes. Man. The the fact that

0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Dabo Sweeney, when he has so many options available to him,

0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:49.120
<v Speaker 1>points at you and says, I believe in you, man.

0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:53.800
<v Speaker 1>That is just so empowering, and then building of loyalty

0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:57.160
<v Speaker 1>to Dabbo. We know that wes Is is a really

0:18:57.200 --> 0:18:59.760
<v Speaker 1>good schemer, really good play caller. But there's more to

0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:04.040
<v Speaker 1>it than that there, you know, there's eventibles was was so.

0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:09.280
<v Speaker 3>Great at at at at being such a powerful voice

0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:14.800
<v Speaker 3>in his room, you know, commanding an entire defense, uh,

0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:17.919
<v Speaker 3>commanding a room in a recruits home.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. So there are still some elements to to

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<v Speaker 1>not just being a defensive coordinator, but be but replacing

0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:31.080
<v Speaker 1>that defensive coordinator that I think that I think legitimate

0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:34.160
<v Speaker 1>questions that we can that we can ask while while

0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:38.640
<v Speaker 1>while not saying, oh gosh, that's a terrible hire, you know, well,

0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:40.840
<v Speaker 1>but while it's being curious like how's he going to

0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:44.280
<v Speaker 1>handle this or that? You know, because he's not just

0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:47.639
<v Speaker 1>becoming a defensive coordinator, He's he's stepping in the just

0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:49.800
<v Speaker 1>some some really massive shoes.

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<v Speaker 2>Well he is, and you know it sort of fits

0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:56.119
<v Speaker 2>with the the larger debo theme that I think we're

0:19:56.320 --> 0:20:00.160
<v Speaker 2>seeing emerge, right it's the promotion from within on both

0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:03.080
<v Speaker 2>the offensive and defensive side. You kind of dovetail that

0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:06.560
<v Speaker 2>with his comments about the transfer portal. Is Kay's recent

0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:08.480
<v Speaker 2>comments about the transfer portal, and we know that he's

0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:10.720
<v Speaker 2>had this love hate thing with the transfer portal, more

0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:13.240
<v Speaker 2>on the hate side, to be fair, but I think

0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:15.919
<v Speaker 2>his comments have been, Look, if I go out and

0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:19.160
<v Speaker 2>if I'm pulling guys in every year, what kind of trust?

0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:21.800
<v Speaker 2>What kind of loyalty? What kind of sense of ownership

0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:23.720
<v Speaker 2>does that give the players who are on the roster

0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:25.520
<v Speaker 2>right now? You know, I know a lot of people

0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:28.240
<v Speaker 2>roll their eyes, myself included with some of what Dabo

0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:31.840
<v Speaker 2>says in that regard. However, it does seem as if

0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:33.919
<v Speaker 2>there is a through line here, whether it's on the

0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:36.440
<v Speaker 2>coaching side with regard to the talent on the roster

0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:40.880
<v Speaker 2>or now the coaches on the coaching side being promoted

0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:41.359
<v Speaker 2>from within.

0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:47.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and regarding the coaching part of it. You know,

0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:53.399
<v Speaker 1>back in twenty fourteen, Chad Morris leaves for for SMU.

0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:56.840
<v Speaker 1>At that point, Mars was that was the best hied

0:20:56.960 --> 0:21:05.000
<v Speaker 1>debo had made, because the in twenty ten there sort

0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:07.119
<v Speaker 1>of going off the rails some there six and seven,

0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:13.920
<v Speaker 1>the first losing season in decades. Offense was the main problem.

0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:18.080
<v Speaker 1>He goes out and identifies Chad, who had been at

0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:22.400
<v Speaker 1>Tulsa for just one year, and says, I want him

0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:26.280
<v Speaker 1>to be the guy. You know, Marris was a Malason disciple.

0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:30.240
<v Speaker 1>It was doing what at that time was cutting edge

0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:33.239
<v Speaker 1>with the hurry up, no huddle and tempo and all

0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:39.119
<v Speaker 1>that stuff. And so when Maris goes to SMU, my

0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:43.879
<v Speaker 1>position was was, man, you need to go out and

0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:46.480
<v Speaker 1>take that one point three million dollars that you that

0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:48.960
<v Speaker 1>you were paying Chad Marris, which at the time was

0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:51.760
<v Speaker 1>the it was a long time ago. That was the

0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:54.600
<v Speaker 1>lot a lot of that was the host paid I

0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:57.760
<v Speaker 1>think assistant in the country. Go out and find some

0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:00.639
<v Speaker 1>other rock star, you know who's been through some of

0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:03.119
<v Speaker 1>the some of the wars, you know, a season play caller.

0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:06.679
<v Speaker 1>Well no, he he looks over and says, I'm gonna

0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:10.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna promote Tony Elliott and Jeff Scott who hadn't

0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:13.399
<v Speaker 1>they hadn't called plays. And I there was lots of

0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:17.399
<v Speaker 1>second guessing of that at the time. You know, I

0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:22.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't totally get it, you know, And so I mean

0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:25.320
<v Speaker 1>the through line that you talk about it. It goes

0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:30.400
<v Speaker 1>back to the beginning of Dabo's tenure itself, because absolutely

0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:34.080
<v Speaker 1>and and and taking a you know, betting on something

0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:36.840
<v Speaker 1>you believe in, you know, something that's that that you've

0:22:36.880 --> 0:22:39.440
<v Speaker 1>seen with your own eyes, meaning Terry down Phillips saw

0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:42.320
<v Speaker 1>Dabbo with his own eyes and said, I believe in

0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:46.560
<v Speaker 1>this guy, and so you know, grooming from within all that,

0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:48.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, the culture fit. I do think it it

0:22:49.400 --> 0:22:53.160
<v Speaker 1>applies to the portal as well. And I do think

0:22:53.200 --> 0:22:58.240
<v Speaker 1>that that Debo. I think it's fair to criticize, you know,

0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:00.720
<v Speaker 1>them not going into the portal more. But I do

0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:04.959
<v Speaker 1>also think he gets a lot of excess heat.

0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:09.439
<v Speaker 2>I am very curious to get your take on just

0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:12.959
<v Speaker 2>how Dabo is dealing with some of these rapid changes

0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:15.560
<v Speaker 2>that we've seen in college football. We mentioned the transfer portal,

0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:19.040
<v Speaker 2>but nil he talked about that in his recent comments

0:23:19.080 --> 0:23:22.400
<v Speaker 2>as well, like how is this guy doing with where

0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:23.800
<v Speaker 2>we're at where the sport is going.

0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:26.600
<v Speaker 1>First of all, not to get on a too big

0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:29.640
<v Speaker 1>of a tangent, but one of the things that bothers

0:23:29.680 --> 0:23:33.080
<v Speaker 1>me about our discourse now, and I guess I'm speaking

0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:35.719
<v Speaker 1>mainly about Twitter and the reason I'm really not on

0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:41.679
<v Speaker 1>it much. I don't scroll really at all, because it's

0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:47.560
<v Speaker 1>just I just don't. It's not thoughtful to me, and

0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:51.440
<v Speaker 1>it just doesn't really do me any good. If something happens,

0:23:51.440 --> 0:23:54.119
<v Speaker 1>then I'm going to find out through other means, and

0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:58.440
<v Speaker 1>even I'll include a lot some other national college football

0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:04.960
<v Speaker 1>media voices. I think I'm respectfully, I have some dissent

0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:08.160
<v Speaker 1>with the way they've approached this. And I'll go back

0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:15.000
<v Speaker 1>to last summer and I'm as far as the legality

0:24:15.160 --> 0:24:18.199
<v Speaker 1>and all that of name, image, likeness and the portal,

0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:21.200
<v Speaker 1>I get it. Man, Like, sure, there's a lot of

0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:23.920
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of people out there that are making

0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:28.160
<v Speaker 1>a ton of money, you know, off these players, off

0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:30.800
<v Speaker 1>what they're doing on a football field. So and the

0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:34.639
<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court has spoken, you know, like there's no going back.

0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:36.120
<v Speaker 2>Sure, but.

0:24:38.080 --> 0:24:41.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't like this sort of intellectual dishonesty. I guess

0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:45.439
<v Speaker 1>there's so many opinions now. Like twenty years ago, there

0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:50.680
<v Speaker 1>were lots of reporters information people. Now there's probably ten

0:24:52.800 --> 0:24:57.280
<v Speaker 1>people who have takes to every one person who's just

0:24:57.320 --> 0:24:57.880
<v Speaker 1>an information.

0:24:58.119 --> 0:25:00.560
<v Speaker 2>If you could harness all the takes on Internet, you'd

0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:04.080
<v Speaker 2>have a renewable power supply right, purpose lady.

0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:08.119
<v Speaker 1>So like whenever I read Ross Delling here of Sports Illustrated,

0:25:08.320 --> 0:25:10.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, thank you, because he's just an information guy.

0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:15.760
<v Speaker 1>He's a great reporter and that's what he does every day.

0:25:15.840 --> 0:25:17.679
<v Speaker 1>And he and it's telling me something I don't know.

0:25:17.760 --> 0:25:20.399
<v Speaker 1>Don't tell me. Here's why such and such as an

0:25:20.400 --> 0:25:24.240
<v Speaker 1>idiot for not agreeing with your what you say. And

0:25:24.320 --> 0:25:27.240
<v Speaker 1>so I think it's kind of a vicious cycle book.

0:25:27.280 --> 0:25:29.080
<v Speaker 1>And it applies to what I'm talking about here with

0:25:29.640 --> 0:25:32.479
<v Speaker 1>sort of the discourse on nil and the portal is

0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:36.480
<v Speaker 1>if I'm a sports writer or media voice who back

0:25:36.520 --> 0:25:41.000
<v Speaker 1>in the summer was saying, oh, there's nothing wrong with this.

0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:46.040
<v Speaker 1>We're just talking about some Instagram endorsements and a few autographs,

0:25:46.160 --> 0:25:49.679
<v Speaker 1>just some pocket money. And I dug myself in on

0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:54.320
<v Speaker 1>that at that time. Then now that it is absolutely not.

0:25:55.520 --> 0:25:58.399
<v Speaker 1>It's more than that, you know, with eight million dollar

0:25:59.480 --> 0:26:04.119
<v Speaker 1>commitment and things like that, and for a quarterback, the

0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:08.560
<v Speaker 1>Tennessee quarterback and then Texas A and M and am

0:26:08.560 --> 0:26:11.520
<v Speaker 1>I going to be less willing to back down from

0:26:11.560 --> 0:26:15.159
<v Speaker 1>that and to be to look at it honestly because

0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:19.159
<v Speaker 1>of how much I dug myself in last summer probably so, so,

0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:25.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, I think something that was not anticipated enough

0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:30.280
<v Speaker 1>and something that probably the media folks, including myself, probably

0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:33.879
<v Speaker 1>didn't do a good job of, is man the graduation

0:26:34.320 --> 0:26:37.560
<v Speaker 1>that the academic part of this. Of all these guys

0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:43.400
<v Speaker 1>in the transfer portal, their chances of earning a degree

0:26:43.840 --> 0:26:47.439
<v Speaker 1>are way down just by being the portal. Even if

0:26:47.440 --> 0:26:49.239
<v Speaker 1>they do end up, even even if some of these

0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:52.920
<v Speaker 1>guys who don't have somewhere to land do fund somewhere

0:26:52.960 --> 0:26:58.000
<v Speaker 1>to land, all the credits that you have to transfer,

0:26:58.119 --> 0:27:01.320
<v Speaker 1>the progress towards degree requirements just going to be naturally

0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:07.000
<v Speaker 1>harder for them to end up graduating. And uh, you

0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:12.119
<v Speaker 1>know that's something nobody talked about back in the summer.

0:27:12.280 --> 0:27:14.719
<v Speaker 1>And I'm sorry, I'm cynical in a lot of ways,

0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:20.840
<v Speaker 1>but man, I for my podcasts and other other avenues,

0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:24.480
<v Speaker 1>I talked to a lot of former players, just catching

0:27:24.560 --> 0:27:26.639
<v Speaker 1>up with them, like where are they now? What are

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:32.440
<v Speaker 1>their thoughts on things? And men that degree, that education.

0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:35.400
<v Speaker 1>You could argue, Okay, they're all clustered in one thing

0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:38.680
<v Speaker 1>and all that, and it's not worth it. It's worth something, man,

0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:42.560
<v Speaker 1>education is still worth something. And then to suggest that

0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:48.159
<v Speaker 1>it's just a zero zero value is just crazy. And

0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:54.960
<v Speaker 1>I think that's where Dabo's where where his emphasis and

0:27:55.040 --> 0:27:59.399
<v Speaker 1>beliefs have been genuine all along, is that, man, we

0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:02.639
<v Speaker 1>kind of value the education and keep if we're going

0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:05.040
<v Speaker 1>to do an il when we should, we should tie

0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:07.560
<v Speaker 1>it to graduation and maybe put it in a trust

0:28:07.680 --> 0:28:10.920
<v Speaker 1>and then make it equal. You know, where all players

0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:13.520
<v Speaker 1>get the same thing, and then upon graduation is when

0:28:13.520 --> 0:28:16.640
<v Speaker 1>they can get the lump some of that. That makes

0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:18.400
<v Speaker 1>a lot of sense to me, Man, I don't think

0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:23.560
<v Speaker 1>it's practical right now, because, like I said, the toothpaste

0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:25.160
<v Speaker 1>is kind of out of the tube. Like the first

0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:29.800
<v Speaker 1>guy who doesn't get you know what, he's maybe worth

0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:31.600
<v Speaker 1>some superstar, he has to get the same thing as

0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:34.880
<v Speaker 1>everybody else. Well, lawsuit and then the whole thing's blown

0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:40.720
<v Speaker 1>up again. So anyway, I do think you know where

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:43.760
<v Speaker 1>Davo has sort of paying himself into a corner as

0:28:43.840 --> 0:28:46.720
<v Speaker 1>years ago when he said, you know, if we get

0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:49.480
<v Speaker 1>to pay for play, you know, I'll just do something

0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:52.520
<v Speaker 1>else because that's not what this is about. Remember that, Well,

0:28:52.560 --> 0:28:55.600
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of where we are. Like I know, every

0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:58.200
<v Speaker 1>story I read about this, they it's almost like the

0:28:58.200 --> 0:29:05.680
<v Speaker 1>obligatory paragraph clea rules forbid players signing nil deals in

0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:09.120
<v Speaker 1>exchange for their service. Come on, man, Like, I think

0:29:09.160 --> 0:29:11.720
<v Speaker 1>we can just delete that at this point. You know,

0:29:13.720 --> 0:29:16.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, if if they don't get an offensive lineman

0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:20.680
<v Speaker 1>in the portal, I think they will an interior offensive lineman.

0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:23.760
<v Speaker 1>Like if they hypothetically, if they don't get one this

0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:26.800
<v Speaker 1>cycle and then their offensive interior line is a train

0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:32.280
<v Speaker 1>wreck in twenty twenty two, then absolutely, man, Yeah, what

0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:35.760
<v Speaker 1>happened there? Why aren't you more aggressive in the portal?

0:29:36.320 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 1>But I think it's kind of cherry picking to look

0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:44.920
<v Speaker 1>back and say, oh, Jamison Williams and all these other players,

0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:47.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, why why didn't you get in the market

0:29:47.880 --> 0:29:50.720
<v Speaker 1>for those guys. I think we have to put ourselves,

0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:55.719
<v Speaker 1>take ourselves to the time the decision was made and

0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:58.800
<v Speaker 1>look at what Clemson had on its depth chart at

0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:01.360
<v Speaker 1>whatever position it was. And I think it makes a

0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:03.320
<v Speaker 1>lot more sense when you're able to do that. I

0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:06.920
<v Speaker 1>know that that's not that's not fashionable now now it's

0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:12.960
<v Speaker 1>it's just our impulse to just to Monday morning quarterback everything.

0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:18.600
<v Speaker 1>But I do think it's fair to say that, you know,

0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:21.680
<v Speaker 1>maybe they should be more active in the portal. I

0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:24.600
<v Speaker 1>don't think that's a I don't think that's over the top.

0:30:24.880 --> 0:30:26.720
<v Speaker 2>You know the other thing too, and you hear coaches

0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:29.960
<v Speaker 2>talk about this a lot right now, Larry. It's half

0:30:30.040 --> 0:30:33.160
<v Speaker 2>recruiting the portal if that's an avenue you choose to pursue,

0:30:33.200 --> 0:30:35.480
<v Speaker 2>but also half recruiting your own players to stay on

0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:38.560
<v Speaker 2>the roster. Yeah, because the portal is so prevalent, because

0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:41.520
<v Speaker 2>it is easy to find another landing spot if you

0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:44.960
<v Speaker 2>are ever so inclined. That could be one of those things.

0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:48.520
<v Speaker 2>Like I would very much welcome Dabbo's commentary on what

0:30:48.560 --> 0:30:51.040
<v Speaker 2>that's like. He's big on culture, he's big on trying

0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:54.400
<v Speaker 2>to keep guys around. I hope for his sake there

0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:56.360
<v Speaker 2>are more stories about what he is doing to try

0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:58.760
<v Speaker 2>and counteract the portal, because it's clear where he stands

0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 2>on it, you know. And he softened his stance a

0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 2>bit over the last twelve to eighteen months, I think

0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:07.200
<v Speaker 2>it's fair to say. And he's come out and he said, look,

0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:09.160
<v Speaker 2>if it's if it's something we need to do, we'll

0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:11.160
<v Speaker 2>do it. He's just not as big a proponent of

0:31:11.160 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 2>it as say somebody like Oregon State, where they're bolting

0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:18.320
<v Speaker 2>together a roster every off season, So I'm fascinated to

0:31:18.320 --> 0:31:20.880
<v Speaker 2>see which direction things go on that front. I did

0:31:20.920 --> 0:31:23.560
<v Speaker 2>want to shift gears a bit if we could into

0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:27.479
<v Speaker 2>where things stand right now with spring football and with

0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:29.440
<v Speaker 2>some of the questions that we've got building into the

0:31:29.440 --> 0:31:32.400
<v Speaker 2>twenty two season. I will start at the very top

0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:37.080
<v Speaker 2>because Dju, as you rightfully mentioned towards the beginning of

0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:40.520
<v Speaker 2>our conversation, had some moments earlier in the year. Last

0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:43.720
<v Speaker 2>year did improve as the season wore on, and Clemson

0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:46.440
<v Speaker 2>football on the whole still had a pretty good season, Larry,

0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 2>it just maybe wasn't to the standard that we had

0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:52.239
<v Speaker 2>grown accustomed to seeing over the past five seasons or so,

0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:56.360
<v Speaker 2>certainly under Trevor Lawrence. But we do kind of have this.

0:31:57.120 --> 0:32:00.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to call it a quarterback derby because

0:32:00.400 --> 0:32:03.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's a quarterback derby. But you definitely

0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:08.120
<v Speaker 2>see more articles written about dj Uliangalle and kid Klubnick

0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:10.880
<v Speaker 2>and Clubnick went out there in the spring game. He

0:32:10.960 --> 0:32:13.880
<v Speaker 2>looked good. He definitely showcased some of the tools that

0:32:13.920 --> 0:32:17.120
<v Speaker 2>I think make people excited. But like, can you help

0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:20.480
<v Speaker 2>suss this out for us? There's not really a quarterback

0:32:20.560 --> 0:32:22.520
<v Speaker 2>controversy at the stage.

0:32:22.200 --> 0:32:28.080
<v Speaker 1>Right I mean, I guess pick your term quarterback battle.

0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:31.120
<v Speaker 2>Battle like what helped me characterize where things stand on

0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:32.400
<v Speaker 2>the quarterback side for Clemson.

0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:41.760
<v Speaker 1>Here's my position all along since December has been if

0:32:41.920 --> 0:32:46.240
<v Speaker 1>DJ is not better than he was, if he's not

0:32:46.280 --> 0:32:50.840
<v Speaker 1>better moving forward then he was last season, then absolutely

0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:56.000
<v Speaker 1>this is a quarterback competition, and kid Clubnick is absolutely

0:32:56.200 --> 0:33:01.280
<v Speaker 1>capable of breathing down his neck. You know, now, is

0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:04.680
<v Speaker 1>Dabo going to announce Club Nick the starter on day

0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:08.920
<v Speaker 1>three of August camp? No, that's not the way he

0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:13.320
<v Speaker 1>he does things. And you know, just looking back to

0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:20.280
<v Speaker 1>the past with Trevor Lawrence overtaken Kelly Bryant in twenty

0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:24.960
<v Speaker 1>eighteen and back in fourteen with Deshaun Watson overtaking Cole Stout,

0:33:25.800 --> 0:33:30.040
<v Speaker 1>his sort of position and policy has been that it

0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:34.920
<v Speaker 1>has to be a knockout punch for the freshman to

0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:41.440
<v Speaker 1>overtake the veteran starter. And you know, you could argue

0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:46.720
<v Speaker 1>he devo's that he that he used that policy to

0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:52.840
<v Speaker 1>a fault with with both of those guys, particularly with Deshaun.

0:33:52.920 --> 0:33:56.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, they lost a game at Florida State that

0:33:56.880 --> 0:34:00.520
<v Speaker 1>you could argue, had he had he started that game,

0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:02.320
<v Speaker 1>that they might have they might have won. He did

0:34:02.360 --> 0:34:06.360
<v Speaker 1>start from that point forward. But anyway, I do think

0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:09.319
<v Speaker 1>and and please don't misunderstand, I'm not sitting here saying, Hey,

0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:12.120
<v Speaker 1>it's only a matter of time, kay, club, it's going

0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:13.719
<v Speaker 1>to be the guy. It's just going to take some

0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:16.960
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna have he'll he'll do it early in the

0:34:17.000 --> 0:34:19.120
<v Speaker 1>regular season and then they won't look back. I don't

0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:24.799
<v Speaker 1>know that. You know, DJ, what was so perplexing to

0:34:24.840 --> 0:34:27.959
<v Speaker 1>everybody last year was it was it was so hard

0:34:27.960 --> 0:34:33.799
<v Speaker 1>to square what we saw last season with what we

0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:38.120
<v Speaker 1>saw in his two emergency starts in twenty twenty when

0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:42.280
<v Speaker 1>he he was subbing for Trevor Lawrence after Trevor got

0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:46.799
<v Speaker 1>COVID and looked great against Boston College, and that her name.

0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:51.040
<v Speaker 1>Dad's position for most of the last season was, Hey,

0:34:51.239 --> 0:34:55.279
<v Speaker 1>ain't nothing wrong with DJ. The only thing different is

0:34:55.320 --> 0:34:59.759
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't have the players around him that the quarterback

0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:05.320
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand. Yeah, that's absolutely totally fair. Avta, Mari Rodgers,

0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Cornell Powell. You know, uh, but I think to an

0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:13.080
<v Speaker 1>extent that was sticking up for his guy has always

0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:16.359
<v Speaker 1>been something. He's he's he's he's been good at you know,

0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:20.640
<v Speaker 1>he's he's in his fox hole with his quarterback when

0:35:20.640 --> 0:35:25.719
<v Speaker 1>he faces criticism, and that's a that's a credit to him.

0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:28.000
<v Speaker 1>DJ has some things to work on, and he's been

0:35:28.000 --> 0:35:29.919
<v Speaker 1>working on him. He was two hundred and sixty five

0:35:29.960 --> 0:35:35.360
<v Speaker 1>pounds at the end of last season. Yeah, yeah, he lost.

0:35:35.480 --> 0:35:37.719
<v Speaker 1>He lost twenty five pounds. He was down to I

0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:42.399
<v Speaker 1>think under two forty during the spring. He's also been

0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:46.440
<v Speaker 1>working with private quarterbacks coach to refine his mechanics, footwork,

0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:51.480
<v Speaker 1>which he really needs to refine and hone those I mean,

0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:54.720
<v Speaker 1>when you're when you're the biggest dude on the field,

0:35:54.840 --> 0:35:59.399
<v Speaker 1>and in high school football, even even high level high

0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:01.399
<v Speaker 1>school football, all that he was in in the LA

0:36:01.520 --> 0:36:05.000
<v Speaker 1>area at Bosco High School, you can you can get

0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:07.359
<v Speaker 1>away with with a lot of a lot of rough

0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:10.080
<v Speaker 1>edges and you can just you know, the big arm

0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:13.920
<v Speaker 1>is is is you know that sort of that's the

0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:16.920
<v Speaker 1>trump card. You know that that sort of supersedes everything.

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:19.719
<v Speaker 1>But in college, when you're dealing with the speed of

0:36:19.760 --> 0:36:22.560
<v Speaker 1>the game and the talent being even in a lot

0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:25.960
<v Speaker 1>of cases, I mean, you gotta he just he had.

0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:27.440
<v Speaker 1>He needs to spend a lot of time this off

0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:32.880
<v Speaker 1>season working on working on his his fundamentals, But I

0:36:32.920 --> 0:36:36.040
<v Speaker 1>think it's it feels like he is committed to that.

0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:39.399
<v Speaker 1>This time last year, he might not have been ready

0:36:39.440 --> 0:36:41.560
<v Speaker 1>for that. He might not have been totally He might

0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:46.279
<v Speaker 1>have maybe he needed to experience that, that nightmare of

0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:50.840
<v Speaker 1>a season to really for it to really yeah, for

0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:53.719
<v Speaker 1>the magnitude of it, the importance of it, to really

0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:54.319
<v Speaker 1>to really hit.

0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:56.759
<v Speaker 2>I think we'll learn a lot in twenty twenty two.

0:36:57.080 --> 0:37:00.680
<v Speaker 2>And it's not just that Clemson, but twenty twenty was

0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:03.120
<v Speaker 2>a weird year for those of us who have covered

0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:06.359
<v Speaker 2>college football for a while, Like it was unlike any

0:37:06.440 --> 0:37:10.000
<v Speaker 2>year we had ever experienced before. And as a result,

0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:12.600
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one wasn't all that normal either. It was

0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:15.319
<v Speaker 2>a lot more normal, but we saw a lot of

0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:19.960
<v Speaker 2>weird stuff if only with eligibility, you know, we could

0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:22.160
<v Speaker 2>probably list a thousand things that were just a little

0:37:22.200 --> 0:37:24.720
<v Speaker 2>bit different last year. Hopefully as we get into twenty

0:37:24.760 --> 0:37:26.680
<v Speaker 2>twenty two, it'll be much more of a normal cycle.

0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:29.520
<v Speaker 2>And so I'm curious to see if DJU can grow,

0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:31.960
<v Speaker 2>because you're right, there were issues with footwork and mechanics

0:37:31.960 --> 0:37:35.279
<v Speaker 2>and balls sailing, and you know, there were plenty of

0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:39.200
<v Speaker 2>conversations last year, especially going into the year because of

0:37:39.239 --> 0:37:41.640
<v Speaker 2>the lack of depth at the quarterback positioned for Clemson,

0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:43.720
<v Speaker 2>Like maybe Dabo should have done something on the transfer

0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:47.440
<v Speaker 2>portal here to boost that quarterback depth and in the

0:37:47.440 --> 0:37:50.200
<v Speaker 2>event that it doesn't work out with dju so with

0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:52.120
<v Speaker 2>the benefit of a season, with the benefit of an

0:37:52.120 --> 0:37:54.200
<v Speaker 2>off season. Now I'm curious to see how he does,

0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:58.239
<v Speaker 2>especially now with some competition, because all you got to

0:37:58.280 --> 0:38:01.040
<v Speaker 2>do is google Clemson foot ball spring game and you're

0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:02.359
<v Speaker 2>going to read a lot about kid club.

0:38:02.440 --> 0:38:02.600
<v Speaker 1>Nick.

0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:04.880
<v Speaker 2>I know you said before that you think he's capable,

0:38:04.920 --> 0:38:08.600
<v Speaker 2>but how capable because Clemson's used to seeing over the

0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:12.000
<v Speaker 2>last couple of seasons really top level quarterback play with

0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:15.359
<v Speaker 2>Trevor Lawrence before him, Deshaun Watson. Are we talking about

0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:17.880
<v Speaker 2>to that level if he gets up and running, Like,

0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:19.560
<v Speaker 2>where is his potential in your view?

0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:24.919
<v Speaker 1>That's the part that I think we have to sort

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:29.600
<v Speaker 1>of distinguish, sort of separate. Is I think it's unfair.

0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:34.000
<v Speaker 2>To say, oh, yeah, he's gonna do what Trevor and

0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:35.120
<v Speaker 2>it's impossible.

0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:38.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like I mean, I remember, this is probably a

0:38:38.920 --> 0:38:42.080
<v Speaker 1>good way to sort of illustrate it. Back in the

0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:47.800
<v Speaker 1>spring of fourteen, after Deshaun enrolled early and at the time,

0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:51.759
<v Speaker 1>you take yourself back to that time, it was it

0:38:51.800 --> 0:38:55.400
<v Speaker 1>was extraordinary and almost unheard of for a freshman quarterback

0:38:55.480 --> 0:38:59.120
<v Speaker 1>to come right in and be a star. I forgot

0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:01.560
<v Speaker 1>what the numbers were, but I did some sort of

0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:04.840
<v Speaker 1>study of it. And I know we've seen that in

0:39:04.880 --> 0:39:08.719
<v Speaker 1>the last seven years, obviously to a Tongue, Bay Low

0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:11.520
<v Speaker 1>and others, but at the time it was like unheard of.

0:39:12.520 --> 0:39:15.200
<v Speaker 1>And so I was still proceeding under this notion that Okay, yeah,

0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:20.239
<v Speaker 1>you might avoid a red shirt, you know, and we'll

0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:23.360
<v Speaker 1>see it's hard to transition to college, you know. And

0:39:24.680 --> 0:39:27.600
<v Speaker 1>then somebody close to the team at one point it's like, Larry,

0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:31.040
<v Speaker 1>this dude is the best quarterback on the field and

0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:34.400
<v Speaker 1>it's not even close. And I'm like, oh, you know.

0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:37.520
<v Speaker 1>And so then fast forward and obviously everybody knows what happened.

0:39:38.120 --> 0:39:41.279
<v Speaker 1>He turned into Superman in pretty short order. So then

0:39:41.800 --> 0:39:46.880
<v Speaker 1>in the spring of eighteen, I was at a one

0:39:46.920 --> 0:39:50.680
<v Speaker 1>of my daughter's softball games, youth softball games, and Brent Vinnables,

0:39:51.320 --> 0:39:54.279
<v Speaker 1>his daughter's played in the same league. And this is

0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:58.920
<v Speaker 1>during that spring of eighteen, and we had, I guess

0:39:58.960 --> 0:40:00.799
<v Speaker 1>our teams were playing against each other, and so I

0:40:00.840 --> 0:40:03.600
<v Speaker 1>was just sitting there chatting with him, small talk obviously,

0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:08.759
<v Speaker 1>didn't have a pen and paper off the Yeah, just like,

0:40:08.760 --> 0:40:10.120
<v Speaker 1>hey man, what do you what do you think of

0:40:10.320 --> 0:40:13.239
<v Speaker 1>what you've seen so far? And blah blah blah, Yeah, good,

0:40:13.280 --> 0:40:16.240
<v Speaker 1>good good. So what do you think of number sixteen?

0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:19.840
<v Speaker 1>He goes his eyes just got really big. He says,

0:40:20.640 --> 0:40:25.200
<v Speaker 1>best freshman I've ever seen, except for maybe Adrian Peterson. Wow,

0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:28.839
<v Speaker 1>And I'm my holy crape. And he said, I'll tell

0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:30.920
<v Speaker 1>you what, We're not going to have the same problems

0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:34.080
<v Speaker 1>passing this year we had last year, meaning twenty seventeen,

0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:38.360
<v Speaker 1>the transition between you know, from Deshaun to Kelly Bryant.

0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Kelly Bryant pretty good quarterback, but certainly not in that

0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:46.600
<v Speaker 1>in that realm. But so that's when I just started writing, Hey, folks,

0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:48.120
<v Speaker 1>it's only a matter of time before.

0:40:48.440 --> 0:40:48.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:40:49.080 --> 0:40:52.759
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, I say all that to say I have not

0:40:52.960 --> 0:40:57.880
<v Speaker 1>heard I just haven't heard Cade being referred to with

0:40:57.920 --> 0:41:02.080
<v Speaker 1>the same reverence I guess. And that's totally fine.

0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:03.640
<v Speaker 2>Like most people aren't.

0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:05.719
<v Speaker 1>To be fair, doesn't mean like oh my gosh, kay

0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:09.160
<v Speaker 1>klubis a buzz. It just means He's probably not those

0:41:09.200 --> 0:41:12.120
<v Speaker 1>two guys, which goes back to our I think the

0:41:12.200 --> 0:41:14.920
<v Speaker 1>lesson we talked about at the start of this of

0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:18.440
<v Speaker 1>this interview is that the one thing we've learned over

0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:21.120
<v Speaker 1>the last couple of years is man, not everybody. Those

0:41:21.200 --> 0:41:25.759
<v Speaker 1>quarterbacks just don't grow in trees. But but I do.

0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:29.719
<v Speaker 1>People do tell me, hey, man, DJ better look out

0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:34.080
<v Speaker 1>because Kate Is is coming. You know, Kate is is.

0:41:34.600 --> 0:41:37.880
<v Speaker 1>He's got to put on some weight. He's he's pretty skinny,

0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:42.719
<v Speaker 1>got a thick and thick in his his his stature.

0:41:44.719 --> 0:41:46.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if he necessarily has a cannon for

0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:51.200
<v Speaker 1>an arm, but he did it at the highest level

0:41:51.560 --> 0:41:58.359
<v Speaker 1>in Texas and and between the ears. Like this kid,

0:41:59.200 --> 0:42:03.520
<v Speaker 1>he's hanging out with seniors and juniors, everybody on the team.

0:42:03.640 --> 0:42:07.400
<v Speaker 1>He's a He's at all the minor sport events at Clemson.

0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:10.759
<v Speaker 1>I saw him at a high school basketball game at

0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:13.560
<v Speaker 1>the local high school here Daniel. He was cheering on

0:42:13.719 --> 0:42:18.320
<v Speaker 1>four of his freshman class members who are who aren't

0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:21.200
<v Speaker 1>in enrolls yet but who were finishing up their senior

0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:25.480
<v Speaker 1>seasons of basketball, including one of Dabo's sons. And he's

0:42:25.520 --> 0:42:29.920
<v Speaker 1>like arguing with yelling at the ress, like not in

0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:33.200
<v Speaker 1>an innoxious way, but like he's into it. Yeah, you know,

0:42:33.719 --> 0:42:37.440
<v Speaker 1>And like for a kid to to be to basically

0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:40.680
<v Speaker 1>come to a different world, you know, he's from Texas

0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:44.319
<v Speaker 1>and to immediately ingratiate himself with everybody and just to

0:42:44.360 --> 0:42:48.160
<v Speaker 1>be right at home. I think that's important. And I

0:42:48.200 --> 0:42:51.440
<v Speaker 1>think when we're talking to last year, you know, leadership issues,

0:42:51.520 --> 0:42:55.600
<v Speaker 1>not that it was all DJ, but DJ's was real quiet.

0:42:55.600 --> 0:42:57.319
<v Speaker 1>You look at him on the sideline, he's just sort

0:42:57.320 --> 0:43:00.279
<v Speaker 1>of standing off, you know, to him, to him else.

0:43:01.680 --> 0:43:07.280
<v Speaker 1>That's a factor having somebody come in who's a galvanizing presence.

0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:12.640
<v Speaker 1>And so in addition to a very truly talented quarterback.

0:43:12.680 --> 0:43:15.719
<v Speaker 1>So is he Deshaun or Trevor. No, that's unfair to

0:43:17.360 --> 0:43:22.520
<v Speaker 1>I think until further notice to sort of put him

0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:26.200
<v Speaker 1>put him on that level as an early enrolled true freshman.

0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:31.760
<v Speaker 1>But is he a special talent, a special person? Every

0:43:32.440 --> 0:43:34.000
<v Speaker 1>indication points to that.

0:43:35.120 --> 0:43:37.040
<v Speaker 2>I could talk to you all morning, Larry, I won't

0:43:37.080 --> 0:43:40.320
<v Speaker 2>eat up all your time talking Clemson football. But before

0:43:40.360 --> 0:43:42.879
<v Speaker 2>I let you go, I did want to at least

0:43:42.920 --> 0:43:45.360
<v Speaker 2>address any questions that you may have with respect to

0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:49.640
<v Speaker 2>Clemson moving forward. Now in twenty twenty two spring football.

0:43:50.320 --> 0:43:53.320
<v Speaker 2>It's like the carrot, you know, It's just it's dangling

0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:56.120
<v Speaker 2>there and you can only get so much from it.

0:43:56.360 --> 0:43:58.279
<v Speaker 2>What we saw in the Clemson spring game was that

0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:01.800
<v Speaker 2>defense was dominant, which is probably going to continue being

0:44:01.800 --> 0:44:05.279
<v Speaker 2>a theme, hopefully continue being a theme for this football team.

0:44:05.360 --> 0:44:09.040
<v Speaker 2>It certainly was a deal last year as well. As

0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:11.799
<v Speaker 2>you look forward now just based on maybe what you

0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:14.680
<v Speaker 2>saw in spring, maybe what you didn't see in spring,

0:44:14.760 --> 0:44:17.759
<v Speaker 2>but you still have questions around what what should we

0:44:18.640 --> 0:44:23.960
<v Speaker 2>as maybe non Clemson people keep our attention on as

0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:26.479
<v Speaker 2>we move through the summer months. Where are your big

0:44:26.600 --> 0:44:29.360
<v Speaker 2>question marks for this team now going into the new season.

0:44:30.560 --> 0:44:39.000
<v Speaker 1>So spring is normally comparatively irrelevant. You know that was

0:44:39.120 --> 0:44:44.720
<v Speaker 1>amplified for Clemson this spring ten times because they were

0:44:44.760 --> 0:44:49.480
<v Speaker 1>just hammered with injuries. A lot of surgeries that happened,

0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:54.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, from injuries last season. That of the surgeries

0:44:54.320 --> 0:44:58.480
<v Speaker 1>that occurred after the season that kept a number of

0:44:58.480 --> 0:45:00.719
<v Speaker 1>those guys from being able to PAP. But then they

0:45:00.800 --> 0:45:06.360
<v Speaker 1>had injuries during spring practice. Adam Randall, the freshman receiver

0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:08.759
<v Speaker 1>who they think a lot of they thought he was

0:45:08.760 --> 0:45:10.760
<v Speaker 1>gonna be able to help him right away, he tours

0:45:10.760 --> 0:45:15.160
<v Speaker 1>acl and on the offensive side of the ball. That's

0:45:15.160 --> 0:45:17.040
<v Speaker 1>why it was just hard to really get a read

0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:20.840
<v Speaker 1>on what we saw in the spring game. Like, you know,

0:45:20.840 --> 0:45:22.279
<v Speaker 1>I heard people com play and well, there are no

0:45:22.360 --> 0:45:25.160
<v Speaker 1>vertical throws, and what happened to this exciting new offense

0:45:25.200 --> 0:45:26.799
<v Speaker 1>we're supposed to get it? Well, it's kind of hard

0:45:26.800 --> 0:45:30.040
<v Speaker 1>to It's kind of hard to throw a vertical pass

0:45:30.080 --> 0:45:32.680
<v Speaker 1>when you have like zero point five seconds to throw

0:45:32.719 --> 0:45:36.279
<v Speaker 1>it before you have a defensive end there and down

0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:41.440
<v Speaker 1>on you. So I look at August camp as being

0:45:41.640 --> 0:45:45.480
<v Speaker 1>like really captivating, because that's when it's really game on

0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:49.480
<v Speaker 1>for a lot of these competitions, and when you're going

0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:52.720
<v Speaker 1>to have the whole roster together. Will Shipley'll be back.

0:45:53.120 --> 0:45:56.920
<v Speaker 1>He wasn't able to practice. Kobe Pace was out as well,

0:45:57.520 --> 0:46:00.279
<v Speaker 1>Brian Berzi was out, you know, Trey Williams and other

0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:04.760
<v Speaker 1>really good interior defensive lineman was out. Lannon Xander's safety

0:46:04.800 --> 0:46:06.040
<v Speaker 1>was at I could go on down the list, but

0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:09.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying that things are going to feel big

0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:12.960
<v Speaker 1>and important come August in a way that really wasn't

0:46:13.680 --> 0:46:16.840
<v Speaker 1>the case at all during the spring. I'm interested to

0:46:16.880 --> 0:46:22.680
<v Speaker 1>see what the offense looks like schematically strategically, I know

0:46:22.760 --> 0:46:25.319
<v Speaker 1>that Brandon Streeter is going to try to get back

0:46:25.360 --> 0:46:29.960
<v Speaker 1>to doing more tempo stuff. You know, that was kind

0:46:30.000 --> 0:46:34.279
<v Speaker 1>of a calculated decision they made when Elliott and Jeff

0:46:34.280 --> 0:46:37.359
<v Speaker 1>Scott took over. They didn't want tempo to be as

0:46:37.400 --> 0:46:39.920
<v Speaker 1>much their brand as it was under Chad Morris. They

0:46:39.960 --> 0:46:42.919
<v Speaker 1>basically wanted to focus more on getting into the right

0:46:42.960 --> 0:46:46.879
<v Speaker 1>play and saying, our guys are better than yours, right.

0:46:47.080 --> 0:46:49.960
<v Speaker 1>So not that they didn't do tempo. They did it

0:46:50.880 --> 0:46:54.040
<v Speaker 1>when it suited them, including in some high profile playoffs

0:46:54.080 --> 0:46:58.399
<v Speaker 1>and championship victories. But I'm interested to see what things

0:46:58.480 --> 0:47:01.200
<v Speaker 1>look like under Brandon Streeter. Their passing game has to

0:47:01.239 --> 0:47:06.480
<v Speaker 1>get rejuvenated. One interesting takeaway from talking to the coaches

0:47:06.560 --> 0:47:10.160
<v Speaker 1>during the spring has been that they some sort of

0:47:10.160 --> 0:47:15.160
<v Speaker 1>self study of recent years and trends they spotted was

0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:17.520
<v Speaker 1>was not really throwing to the middle of the field

0:47:17.560 --> 0:47:19.919
<v Speaker 1>as much as they probably should have. So I think

0:47:20.000 --> 0:47:24.239
<v Speaker 1>that they're going to introduce some new concepts probably and

0:47:25.160 --> 0:47:28.600
<v Speaker 1>while on this kind of sounds contradictory, while also pairing

0:47:28.640 --> 0:47:32.280
<v Speaker 1>it down and eliminating some of the some of the clutter.

0:47:32.480 --> 0:47:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Kyle Richardson, who's the first year tight ends coach, is

0:47:35.680 --> 0:47:39.719
<v Speaker 1>also the passing game coordinator, and so it's conditioning to

0:47:39.719 --> 0:47:43.520
<v Speaker 1>see how that sort of meshes and develops moving forward

0:47:43.600 --> 0:47:47.719
<v Speaker 1>as they try to, you know, bring the flash back

0:47:47.760 --> 0:47:52.000
<v Speaker 1>to this, to this offense. I mean talking about twenty nineteen.

0:47:52.200 --> 0:47:57.200
<v Speaker 1>Like what's wild is how much has changed on the field.

0:47:57.200 --> 0:47:59.600
<v Speaker 1>We talked about off the field with nil and portal

0:47:59.640 --> 0:48:06.600
<v Speaker 1>and all that, Like in January of nineteen, we're sitting

0:48:06.600 --> 0:48:12.280
<v Speaker 1>here saying, can anybody keep up with Clemson? Has Clemson

0:48:12.400 --> 0:48:17.720
<v Speaker 1>eclipsed Alabama? You know after forty four to sixteen, Now

0:48:17.840 --> 0:48:22.440
<v Speaker 1>a few years later, you know, Ohio State and Alabama

0:48:22.480 --> 0:48:26.400
<v Speaker 1>are much more known for the receiving prowess than Clemson

0:48:26.560 --> 0:48:28.920
<v Speaker 1>has been the last could not just last year, but

0:48:29.040 --> 0:48:31.919
<v Speaker 1>year before as well, you know, can they get back

0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:34.719
<v Speaker 1>to what they're used to and that is, you know,

0:48:35.239 --> 0:48:38.560
<v Speaker 1>a prolific offense being largely defined by throwing and catching,

0:48:38.760 --> 0:48:41.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, really high level throwing and catching. So we'll see.

0:48:42.040 --> 0:48:44.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm excited to see more of will Shipley. I know

0:48:44.120 --> 0:48:46.680
<v Speaker 2>he was Nicknamp. We did a show a couple of

0:48:46.760 --> 0:48:49.799
<v Speaker 2>weeks back where we were looking at Heisman odds not

0:48:49.840 --> 0:48:53.040
<v Speaker 2>to say that either Dan or I are big proponents,

0:48:53.040 --> 0:48:55.560
<v Speaker 2>are huge fans of the Heisman, but odds are always

0:48:55.560 --> 0:48:57.839
<v Speaker 2>interesting this time of year. Will Shipley was pretty low.

0:48:58.440 --> 0:49:02.800
<v Speaker 2>He's a versatile kid. He was nicked up. I'm curious

0:49:02.800 --> 0:49:05.440
<v Speaker 2>to see kind of in the next revision of Clemson's offense,

0:49:05.560 --> 0:49:09.800
<v Speaker 2>how how they use him. You know. With that being said,

0:49:09.800 --> 0:49:14.040
<v Speaker 2>what what should people know about Will Shipley? Who may

0:49:14.040 --> 0:49:16.040
<v Speaker 2>not be familiar with his skill set.

0:49:17.640 --> 0:49:21.680
<v Speaker 1>Man, he can do it all. I mean, just kind

0:49:21.719 --> 0:49:26.759
<v Speaker 1>of a breathtaking talent. And I think it's wild that

0:49:26.960 --> 0:49:30.680
<v Speaker 1>you're able to lose Traves et n the best running

0:49:30.719 --> 0:49:33.800
<v Speaker 1>back in school history, best running back in acc history,

0:49:34.520 --> 0:49:39.600
<v Speaker 1>arguably the best playmaker in college football, and replace him

0:49:39.640 --> 0:49:44.160
<v Speaker 1>with Will Shipley. I'm you're speaking my language when you

0:49:44.160 --> 0:49:46.000
<v Speaker 1>talk about you're not you'all not being big fans of

0:49:46.000 --> 0:49:50.440
<v Speaker 1>the Heisman. I'm not either, But for the if you're

0:49:50.480 --> 0:49:53.479
<v Speaker 1>coming up with lists, sort of the case for him

0:49:53.520 --> 0:49:55.920
<v Speaker 1>would be he's going to touch the ball a lot,

0:49:57.080 --> 0:49:59.200
<v Speaker 1>not just on offense, but in a in a return

0:49:59.280 --> 0:50:04.040
<v Speaker 1>capacity as well. That's one thing devo Is has been

0:50:04.120 --> 0:50:08.439
<v Speaker 1>good at since he took over wash And as head

0:50:08.440 --> 0:50:11.440
<v Speaker 1>coach in eight was one of his first initiatives was,

0:50:12.960 --> 0:50:15.120
<v Speaker 1>hey man, we're gonna get our best players the ball

0:50:15.160 --> 0:50:18.719
<v Speaker 1>because C. J. Spiller under the previous regime, C J.

0:50:18.800 --> 0:50:21.160
<v Speaker 1>Spiller and James Davis weren't getting it near enough. And

0:50:21.239 --> 0:50:24.080
<v Speaker 1>so I don't think you'll see a shortage of of

0:50:24.200 --> 0:50:29.760
<v Speaker 1>touches for him. Just a a super talent who's really

0:50:29.800 --> 0:50:32.799
<v Speaker 1>good in the open field, a physical runner who can

0:50:33.719 --> 0:50:36.320
<v Speaker 1>who can lower his shoulder and and move the pile.

0:50:36.400 --> 0:50:41.120
<v Speaker 1>But just the consummate competitor. What's interesting is that off

0:50:41.120 --> 0:50:49.720
<v Speaker 1>the field, he's he's uh, super thoughtful and and uh

0:50:49.960 --> 0:50:53.720
<v Speaker 1>he's a he's he's really involved with his faith and

0:50:53.719 --> 0:50:57.520
<v Speaker 1>and and in the church and all that. Not that

0:50:57.920 --> 0:50:59.880
<v Speaker 1>not that you can't be a good football player if

0:50:59.880 --> 0:51:04.279
<v Speaker 1>you're sure, uh you know, if you're really spiritual. But

0:51:04.520 --> 0:51:07.200
<v Speaker 1>people say he just turns into a different person once

0:51:07.200 --> 0:51:11.560
<v Speaker 1>he gets on the fields, this cutthroat competitor, and he

0:51:11.640 --> 0:51:14.640
<v Speaker 1>was instantly one of the team's leaders when he when

0:51:14.640 --> 0:51:17.480
<v Speaker 1>he arrived last year, by the he was an early

0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:21.400
<v Speaker 1>enroll league, but by the summer debo was was was

0:51:21.400 --> 0:51:23.719
<v Speaker 1>including his name is as one of the one of

0:51:23.760 --> 0:51:29.040
<v Speaker 1>the main leader figurehead types and that might in hindsight

0:51:29.640 --> 0:51:33.800
<v Speaker 1>speak some to the void of leadership on the offensive

0:51:33.800 --> 0:51:36.319
<v Speaker 1>side of the ball that we were talking about. But man,

0:51:36.320 --> 0:51:39.040
<v Speaker 1>it's hard to find a better package, I think than

0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:42.000
<v Speaker 1>than will Shipley, just as a person, as a as

0:51:42.040 --> 0:51:45.160
<v Speaker 1>a competitor, and as a a person that you put

0:51:45.200 --> 0:51:48.040
<v Speaker 1>as an asset to your to your entire team who

0:51:49.800 --> 0:51:53.719
<v Speaker 1>there are no frills with him, So it's going to

0:51:53.800 --> 0:51:55.840
<v Speaker 1>be fun to watch, and if he can stay healthy,

0:51:55.880 --> 0:51:59.080
<v Speaker 1>I certainly think he's he's one of those one of

0:51:59.080 --> 0:52:02.239
<v Speaker 1>those elite skill player talents in college football. Yeah.

0:52:02.280 --> 0:52:03.879
<v Speaker 2>I mean the odds, the odds that I saw were

0:52:03.920 --> 0:52:05.880
<v Speaker 2>back in January. I'm sure they've been updated and I'm

0:52:05.920 --> 0:52:08.120
<v Speaker 2>sure they've come down, but at the time he had

0:52:08.160 --> 0:52:10.920
<v Speaker 2>the same odds as Drew Pine, who is Notre Dame's

0:52:11.000 --> 0:52:14.200
<v Speaker 2>probable backup quarterback. And I was just like, Okay, that

0:52:14.239 --> 0:52:18.200
<v Speaker 2>seems like a seems like an interesting value proposition. If

0:52:18.200 --> 0:52:21.759
<v Speaker 2>that's your cup of tea. Larry Williams Tiger illustrated. Like

0:52:21.760 --> 0:52:24.680
<v Speaker 2>I said, I could talk to you all day, Clemson dubcast.

0:52:25.040 --> 0:52:27.560
<v Speaker 2>What else can we promote for you? What else are

0:52:27.600 --> 0:52:29.799
<v Speaker 2>you working on over the next couple months here As

0:52:29.840 --> 0:52:33.400
<v Speaker 2>we enjoy the I don't know, last couple of weeks

0:52:33.400 --> 0:52:36.200
<v Speaker 2>and months of some degree of freedom before we really

0:52:36.239 --> 0:52:39.000
<v Speaker 2>dive back in to this whole college football thing.

0:52:39.520 --> 0:52:41.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one of the one of the projects that we

0:52:41.760 --> 0:52:44.560
<v Speaker 1>just started last week and had been planning for a

0:52:44.560 --> 0:52:48.040
<v Speaker 1>couple of months. We started it two days after the

0:52:48.040 --> 0:52:52.680
<v Speaker 1>spring game was were calling it the Clemson Thirty and

0:52:53.080 --> 0:52:57.160
<v Speaker 1>I've am in the process of reaching out to thirty

0:52:57.520 --> 0:53:02.799
<v Speaker 1>prominent former ball players and even some prominent guys who

0:53:02.840 --> 0:53:06.960
<v Speaker 1>never played for Clemson, including Jeff frank Corps who was

0:53:06.960 --> 0:53:14.720
<v Speaker 1>headed to Clemson but then Major League Baseball intervened. And

0:53:15.000 --> 0:53:18.160
<v Speaker 1>what I love about this sort of the theme of

0:53:18.200 --> 0:53:20.480
<v Speaker 1>this is we're sort of getting out of the way.

0:53:20.719 --> 0:53:24.680
<v Speaker 1>We're asking them three questions, that's it. One is what

0:53:24.680 --> 0:53:27.000
<v Speaker 1>are you up to now? Two is what are your

0:53:27.000 --> 0:53:30.239
<v Speaker 1>thoughts on the state of the program with Dabo? And

0:53:30.280 --> 0:53:33.640
<v Speaker 1>then three, this is the most interesting your thoughts on

0:53:33.680 --> 0:53:37.799
<v Speaker 1>the current landscape of college athletics with Namo's likeness and

0:53:37.840 --> 0:53:41.120
<v Speaker 1>the portal. And I think it's opened a lot of

0:53:41.160 --> 0:53:45.640
<v Speaker 1>people's eyes so far in that I think almost everybody

0:53:45.680 --> 0:53:50.440
<v Speaker 1>we've surveyed has said, yeah, these guys should be getting

0:53:50.560 --> 0:53:56.520
<v Speaker 1>some money, but where there is some nuance. Is I

0:53:56.520 --> 0:54:02.759
<v Speaker 1>think they're also learned about where things are headed in

0:54:02.880 --> 0:54:06.319
<v Speaker 1>terms of the portal because they can put themselves in

0:54:06.360 --> 0:54:09.680
<v Speaker 1>their back in their eighteen nineteen year old shoes and

0:54:10.600 --> 0:54:13.480
<v Speaker 1>oh god, the coach, just the coach just chewed me out.

0:54:13.520 --> 0:54:16.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm a fourth day of August camp. I'm going somewhere else,

0:54:17.040 --> 0:54:19.640
<v Speaker 1>you know. And the educational part of it, which I

0:54:19.680 --> 0:54:23.240
<v Speaker 1>referred to earlier, like these most of these former athletes

0:54:23.280 --> 0:54:30.000
<v Speaker 1>are are are are very passionate about the role of

0:54:30.480 --> 0:54:33.480
<v Speaker 1>education and the importance of education to a lot of

0:54:33.480 --> 0:54:36.360
<v Speaker 1>these kids. Anyway, not to go off on that, but

0:54:36.640 --> 0:54:40.200
<v Speaker 1>if you're a Clemson fan out there and you're not

0:54:40.280 --> 0:54:43.640
<v Speaker 1>already a subscriber, this is a really cool sort of

0:54:43.680 --> 0:54:46.920
<v Speaker 1>gear shift from the day to day of a season

0:54:46.920 --> 0:54:49.759
<v Speaker 1>in spring practice, sort of kicking back and catching up

0:54:49.760 --> 0:54:51.520
<v Speaker 1>with a lot of these a lot of these really

0:54:51.520 --> 0:54:57.239
<v Speaker 1>interesting personalities for former players from from years past.

0:54:58.000 --> 0:55:00.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's super cool, Larry. Look, I've taken up so

0:55:00.960 --> 0:55:01.680
<v Speaker 2>much of your time.

0:55:01.800 --> 0:55:03.439
<v Speaker 1>It's early, man.

0:55:03.520 --> 0:55:06.120
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you hopping on with me, sharing some of

0:55:06.160 --> 0:55:08.759
<v Speaker 2>your insight. We're always a little bit smarter for it.

0:55:08.840 --> 0:55:11.440
<v Speaker 2>So we'll have to invite you back again sometimes soon

0:55:11.440 --> 0:55:13.160
<v Speaker 2>as we get closer to the season and see how

0:55:13.160 --> 0:55:15.759
<v Speaker 2>this stuff is shaking out. But in the meantime, thank

0:55:15.800 --> 0:55:16.400
<v Speaker 2>you as always.

0:55:16.840 --> 0:55:18.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you guys are great and it's a pleasure. I've

0:55:18.680 --> 0:55:23.000
<v Speaker 1>always respected what y'all have done, and anytime at all,

0:55:23.040 --> 0:55:26.879
<v Speaker 1>man it's not I'll jump with a chance to visit

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<v Speaker 1>with you also, so feel free to reach back out.

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<v Speaker 2>All righty, there you go. Big thanks again to Larry

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<v Speaker 2>Williams for his time and insight today. Please go on

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<v Speaker 2>out and check him out at Tiger Illustrated dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>As for us, Dan's going to be back next week.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll continue doing the thing, continue going through spring games,

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<v Speaker 2>doing our Spring Snapshot episodes to try and keep you

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<v Speaker 2>up to speed with what's going on in and around

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<v Speaker 2>the world of college football as best we can. But

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<v Speaker 2>in the meantime, yeah, I think that's all we have

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<v Speaker 2>for today. Again, big thanks for downloading for supporting the show.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Tye hilden Brandt. Thank you as always,

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<v Speaker 2>and stay solid.