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Speaker 2: in Dan's absence, I'm bringing on an old friend to

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Speaker 2: help me deep dive the state of Clemson football. You know,

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Speaker 2: Larry Williams. We've had him on this show a number

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Speaker 2: which means that this interview is is long overdue because

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Speaker 2: Larry Williams from Tiger Illustrated. All righty, we are joined

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Speaker 2: now by the one the only. Larry Williams from Tiger Illustrated,

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Speaker 2: The host of the Clemson Dubcast, also lists on his

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Speaker 2: a griller. Larry Williams, how are you, sir, Great to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: I talked to a lot of former players, just catching

431
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: up with them, like where are they now? What are

432
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: their thoughts on things? And men that degree, that education.

433
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 1: You could argue, Okay, they're all clustered in one thing

434
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: and all that, and it's not worth it. It's worth something, man,

435
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: education is still worth something. And then to suggest that

436
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: it's just a zero zero value is just crazy. And

437
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: I think that's where Dabo's where where his emphasis and

438
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: beliefs have been genuine all along, is that, man, we

439
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: kind of value the education and keep if we're going

440
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: to do an il when we should, we should tie

441
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: it to graduation and maybe put it in a trust

442
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 1: and then make it equal. You know, where all players

443
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: get the same thing, and then upon graduation is when

444
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: they can get the lump some of that. That makes

445
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 1: a lot of sense to me, Man, I don't think

446
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: it's practical right now, because, like I said, the toothpaste

447
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: is kind of out of the tube. Like the first

448
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: guy who doesn't get you know what, he's maybe worth

449
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: some superstar, he has to get the same thing as

450
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 1: everybody else. Well, lawsuit and then the whole thing's blown

451
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: up again. So anyway, I do think you know where

452
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: Davo has sort of paying himself into a corner as

453
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: years ago when he said, you know, if we get

454
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: to pay for play, you know, I'll just do something

455
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: else because that's not what this is about. Remember that, Well,

456
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: that's kind of where we are. Like I know, every

457
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: story I read about this, they it's almost like the

458
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: obligatory paragraph clea rules forbid players signing nil deals in

459
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: exchange for their service. Come on, man, Like, I think

460
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: we can just delete that at this point. You know,

461
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: you know, if if they don't get an offensive lineman

462
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: in the portal, I think they will an interior offensive lineman.

463
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: Like if they hypothetically, if they don't get one this

464
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: cycle and then their offensive interior line is a train

465
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: wreck in twenty twenty two, then absolutely, man, Yeah, what

466
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: happened there? Why aren't you more aggressive in the portal?

467
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: But I think it's kind of cherry picking to look

468
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: back and say, oh, Jamison Williams and all these other players,

469
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: you know, why why didn't you get in the market

470
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: for those guys. I think we have to put ourselves,

471
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,719
Speaker 1: take ourselves to the time the decision was made and

472
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: look at what Clemson had on its depth chart at

473
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: whatever position it was. And I think it makes a

474
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: lot more sense when you're able to do that. I

475
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: know that that's not that's not fashionable now now it's

476
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: it's just our impulse to just to Monday morning quarterback everything.

477
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: But I do think it's fair to say that, you know,

478
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: maybe they should be more active in the portal. I

479
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: don't think that's a I don't think that's over the top.

480
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: You know the other thing too, and you hear coaches

481
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 2: talk about this a lot right now, Larry. It's half

482
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 2: recruiting the portal if that's an avenue you choose to pursue,

483
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 2: but also half recruiting your own players to stay on

484
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: the roster. Yeah, because the portal is so prevalent, because

485
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 2: it is easy to find another landing spot if you

486
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 2: are ever so inclined. That could be one of those things.

487
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: Like I would very much welcome Dabbo's commentary on what

488
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 2: that's like. He's big on culture, he's big on trying

489
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 2: to keep guys around. I hope for his sake there

490
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 2: are more stories about what he is doing to try

491
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: and counteract the portal, because it's clear where he stands

492
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: on it, you know. And he softened his stance a

493
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: bit over the last twelve to eighteen months, I think

494
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: it's fair to say. And he's come out and he said, look,

495
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 2: if it's if it's something we need to do, we'll

496
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 2: do it. He's just not as big a proponent of

497
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: it as say somebody like Oregon State, where they're bolting

498
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: together a roster every off season, So I'm fascinated to

499
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: see which direction things go on that front. I did

500
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 2: want to shift gears a bit if we could into

501
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,479
Speaker 2: where things stand right now with spring football and with

502
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 2: some of the questions that we've got building into the

503
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 2: twenty two season. I will start at the very top

504
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: because Dju, as you rightfully mentioned towards the beginning of

505
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: our conversation, had some moments earlier in the year. Last

506
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 2: year did improve as the season wore on, and Clemson

507
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: football on the whole still had a pretty good season, Larry,

508
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: it just maybe wasn't to the standard that we had

509
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,239
Speaker 2: grown accustomed to seeing over the past five seasons or so,

510
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: certainly under Trevor Lawrence. But we do kind of have this.

511
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: I don't want to call it a quarterback derby because

512
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a quarterback derby. But you definitely

513
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 2: see more articles written about dj Uliangalle and kid Klubnick

514
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: and Clubnick went out there in the spring game. He

515
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 2: looked good. He definitely showcased some of the tools that

516
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 2: I think make people excited. But like, can you help

517
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 2: suss this out for us? There's not really a quarterback

518
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: controversy at the stage.

519
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: Right I mean, I guess pick your term quarterback battle.

520
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: Battle like what helped me characterize where things stand on

521
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 2: the quarterback side for Clemson.

522
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: Here's my position all along since December has been if

523
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: DJ is not better than he was, if he's not

524
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: better moving forward then he was last season, then absolutely

525
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: this is a quarterback competition, and kid Clubnick is absolutely

526
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: capable of breathing down his neck. You know, now, is

527
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: Dabo going to announce Club Nick the starter on day

528
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: three of August camp? No, that's not the way he

529
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: he does things. And you know, just looking back to

530
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: the past with Trevor Lawrence overtaken Kelly Bryant in twenty

531
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: eighteen and back in fourteen with Deshaun Watson overtaking Cole Stout,

532
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: his sort of position and policy has been that it

533
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: has to be a knockout punch for the freshman to

534
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: overtake the veteran starter. And you know, you could argue

535
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: he devo's that he that he used that policy to

536
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: a fault with with both of those guys, particularly with Deshaun.

537
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: You know, they lost a game at Florida State that

538
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: you could argue, had he had he started that game,

539
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: that they might have they might have won. He did

540
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: start from that point forward. But anyway, I do think

541
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: and and please don't misunderstand, I'm not sitting here saying, Hey,

542
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: it's only a matter of time, kay, club, it's going

543
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: to be the guy. It's just going to take some

544
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: he's gonna have he'll he'll do it early in the

545
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: regular season and then they won't look back. I don't

546
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: know that. You know, DJ, what was so perplexing to

547
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,959
Speaker 1: everybody last year was it was it was so hard

548
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: to square what we saw last season with what we

549
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: saw in his two emergency starts in twenty twenty when

550
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 1: he he was subbing for Trevor Lawrence after Trevor got

551
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: COVID and looked great against Boston College, and that her name.

552
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: Dad's position for most of the last season was, Hey,

553
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: ain't nothing wrong with DJ. The only thing different is

554
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the players around him that the quarterback

555
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: in two thousand. Yeah, that's absolutely totally fair. Avta, Mari Rodgers,

556
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: Cornell Powell. You know, uh, but I think to an

557
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: extent that was sticking up for his guy has always

558
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: been something. He's he's he's he's been good at you know,

559
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: he's he's in his fox hole with his quarterback when

560
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: he faces criticism, and that's a that's a credit to him.

561
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: DJ has some things to work on, and he's been

562
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,919
Speaker 1: working on him. He was two hundred and sixty five

563
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: pounds at the end of last season. Yeah, yeah, he lost.

564
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: He lost twenty five pounds. He was down to I

565
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 1: think under two forty during the spring. He's also been

566
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: working with private quarterbacks coach to refine his mechanics, footwork,

567
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: which he really needs to refine and hone those I mean,

568
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 1: when you're when you're the biggest dude on the field,

569
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 1: and in high school football, even even high level high

570
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 1: school football, all that he was in in the LA

571
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: area at Bosco High School, you can you can get

572
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: away with with a lot of a lot of rough

573
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: edges and you can just you know, the big arm

574
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: is is is you know that sort of that's the

575
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: trump card. You know that that sort of supersedes everything.

576
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: But in college, when you're dealing with the speed of

577
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: the game and the talent being even in a lot

578
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: of cases, I mean, you gotta he just he had.

579
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: He needs to spend a lot of time this off

580
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: season working on working on his his fundamentals, But I

581
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: think it's it feels like he is committed to that.

582
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 1: This time last year, he might not have been ready

583
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: for that. He might not have been totally He might

584
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: have maybe he needed to experience that, that nightmare of

585
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: a season to really for it to really yeah, for

586
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: the magnitude of it, the importance of it, to really

587
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: to really hit.

588
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 2: I think we'll learn a lot in twenty twenty two.

589
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 2: And it's not just that Clemson, but twenty twenty was

590
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: a weird year for those of us who have covered

591
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 2: college football for a while, Like it was unlike any

592
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: year we had ever experienced before. And as a result,

593
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one wasn't all that normal either. It was

594
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 2: a lot more normal, but we saw a lot of

595
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: weird stuff if only with eligibility, you know, we could

596
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: probably list a thousand things that were just a little

597
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 2: bit different last year. Hopefully as we get into twenty

598
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: twenty two, it'll be much more of a normal cycle.

599
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: And so I'm curious to see if DJU can grow,

600
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: because you're right, there were issues with footwork and mechanics

601
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 2: and balls sailing, and you know, there were plenty of

602
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 2: conversations last year, especially going into the year because of

603
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: the lack of depth at the quarterback positioned for Clemson,

604
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 2: Like maybe Dabo should have done something on the transfer

605
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 2: portal here to boost that quarterback depth and in the

606
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: event that it doesn't work out with dju so with

607
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: the benefit of a season, with the benefit of an

608
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: off season. Now I'm curious to see how he does,

609
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 2: especially now with some competition, because all you got to

610
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: do is google Clemson foot ball spring game and you're

611
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 2: going to read a lot about kid club.

612
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: Nick.

613
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 2: I know you said before that you think he's capable,

614
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 2: but how capable because Clemson's used to seeing over the

615
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: last couple of seasons really top level quarterback play with

616
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence before him, Deshaun Watson. Are we talking about

617
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 2: to that level if he gets up and running, Like,

618
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: where is his potential in your view?

619
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 1: That's the part that I think we have to sort

620
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: of distinguish, sort of separate. Is I think it's unfair.

621
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 2: To say, oh, yeah, he's gonna do what Trevor and

622
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: it's impossible.

623
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I mean, I remember, this is probably a

624
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: good way to sort of illustrate it. Back in the

625
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: spring of fourteen, after Deshaun enrolled early and at the time,

626
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: you take yourself back to that time, it was it

627
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: was extraordinary and almost unheard of for a freshman quarterback

628
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: to come right in and be a star. I forgot

629
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: what the numbers were, but I did some sort of

630
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: study of it. And I know we've seen that in

631
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: the last seven years, obviously to a Tongue, Bay Low

632
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: and others, but at the time it was like unheard of.

633
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: And so I was still proceeding under this notion that Okay, yeah,

634
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: you might avoid a red shirt, you know, and we'll

635
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: see it's hard to transition to college, you know. And

636
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: then somebody close to the team at one point it's like, Larry,

637
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: this dude is the best quarterback on the field and

638
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: it's not even close. And I'm like, oh, you know.

639
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: And so then fast forward and obviously everybody knows what happened.

640
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: He turned into Superman in pretty short order. So then

641
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: in the spring of eighteen, I was at a one

642
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: of my daughter's softball games, youth softball games, and Brent Vinnables,

643
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: his daughter's played in the same league. And this is

644
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: during that spring of eighteen, and we had, I guess

645
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: our teams were playing against each other, and so I

646
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: was just sitting there chatting with him, small talk obviously,

647
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: didn't have a pen and paper off the Yeah, just like,

648
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: hey man, what do you what do you think of

649
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: what you've seen so far? And blah blah blah, Yeah, good,

650
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 1: good good. So what do you think of number sixteen?

651
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: He goes his eyes just got really big. He says,

652
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: best freshman I've ever seen, except for maybe Adrian Peterson. Wow,

653
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: And I'm my holy crape. And he said, I'll tell

654
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: you what, We're not going to have the same problems

655
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: passing this year we had last year, meaning twenty seventeen,

656
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: the transition between you know, from Deshaun to Kelly Bryant.

657
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: Kelly Bryant pretty good quarterback, but certainly not in that

658
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: in that realm. But so that's when I just started writing, Hey, folks,

659
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: it's only a matter of time before.

660
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

661
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: Anyway, I say all that to say I have not

662
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: heard I just haven't heard Cade being referred to with

663
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: the same reverence I guess. And that's totally fine.

664
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: Like most people aren't.

665
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: To be fair, doesn't mean like oh my gosh, kay

666
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: klubis a buzz. It just means He's probably not those

667
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: two guys, which goes back to our I think the

668
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: lesson we talked about at the start of this of

669
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: this interview is that the one thing we've learned over

670
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: the last couple of years is man, not everybody. Those

671
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: quarterbacks just don't grow in trees. But but I do.

672
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: People do tell me, hey, man, DJ better look out

673
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: because Kate Is is coming. You know, Kate is is.

674
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: He's got to put on some weight. He's he's pretty skinny,

675
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: got a thick and thick in his his his stature.

676
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if he necessarily has a cannon for

677
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: an arm, but he did it at the highest level

678
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: in Texas and and between the ears. Like this kid,

679
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: he's hanging out with seniors and juniors, everybody on the team.

680
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: He's a He's at all the minor sport events at Clemson.

681
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: I saw him at a high school basketball game at

682
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: the local high school here Daniel. He was cheering on

683
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: four of his freshman class members who are who aren't

684
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: in enrolls yet but who were finishing up their senior

685
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: seasons of basketball, including one of Dabo's sons. And he's

686
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: like arguing with yelling at the ress, like not in

687
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: an innoxious way, but like he's into it. Yeah, you know,

688
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: And like for a kid to to be to basically

689
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: come to a different world, you know, he's from Texas

690
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: and to immediately ingratiate himself with everybody and just to

691
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: be right at home. I think that's important. And I

692
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: think when we're talking to last year, you know, leadership issues,

693
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: not that it was all DJ, but DJ's was real quiet.

694
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: You look at him on the sideline, he's just sort

695
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: of standing off, you know, to him, to him else.

696
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 1: That's a factor having somebody come in who's a galvanizing presence.

697
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: And so in addition to a very truly talented quarterback.

698
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: So is he Deshaun or Trevor. No, that's unfair to

699
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: I think until further notice to sort of put him

700
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: put him on that level as an early enrolled true freshman.

701
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 1: But is he a special talent, a special person? Every

702
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: indication points to that.

703
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: I could talk to you all morning, Larry, I won't

704
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 2: eat up all your time talking Clemson football. But before

705
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 2: I let you go, I did want to at least

706
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 2: address any questions that you may have with respect to

707
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 2: Clemson moving forward. Now in twenty twenty two spring football.

708
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 2: It's like the carrot, you know, It's just it's dangling

709
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: there and you can only get so much from it.

710
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 2: What we saw in the Clemson spring game was that

711
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 2: defense was dominant, which is probably going to continue being

712
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 2: a theme, hopefully continue being a theme for this football team.

713
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 2: It certainly was a deal last year as well. As

714
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 2: you look forward now just based on maybe what you

715
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 2: saw in spring, maybe what you didn't see in spring,

716
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 2: but you still have questions around what what should we

717
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: as maybe non Clemson people keep our attention on as

718
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,479
Speaker 2: we move through the summer months. Where are your big

719
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 2: question marks for this team now going into the new season.

720
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: So spring is normally comparatively irrelevant. You know that was

721
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 1: amplified for Clemson this spring ten times because they were

722
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: just hammered with injuries. A lot of surgeries that happened,

723
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 1: you know, from injuries last season. That of the surgeries

724
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: that occurred after the season that kept a number of

725
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: those guys from being able to PAP. But then they

726
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: had injuries during spring practice. Adam Randall, the freshman receiver

727
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: who they think a lot of they thought he was

728
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 1: gonna be able to help him right away, he tours

729
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: acl and on the offensive side of the ball. That's

730
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: why it was just hard to really get a read

731
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 1: on what we saw in the spring game. Like, you know,

732
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: I heard people com play and well, there are no

733
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: vertical throws, and what happened to this exciting new offense

734
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: we're supposed to get it? Well, it's kind of hard

735
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: to It's kind of hard to throw a vertical pass

736
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: when you have like zero point five seconds to throw

737
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: it before you have a defensive end there and down

738
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: on you. So I look at August camp as being

739
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: like really captivating, because that's when it's really game on

740
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: for a lot of these competitions, and when you're going

741
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 1: to have the whole roster together. Will Shipley'll be back.

742
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: He wasn't able to practice. Kobe Pace was out as well,

743
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: Brian Berzi was out, you know, Trey Williams and other

744
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 1: really good interior defensive lineman was out. Lannon Xander's safety

745
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: was at I could go on down the list, but

746
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,760
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that things are going to feel big

747
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: and important come August in a way that really wasn't

748
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: the case at all during the spring. I'm interested to

749
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: see what the offense looks like schematically strategically, I know

750
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: that Brandon Streeter is going to try to get back

751
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: to doing more tempo stuff. You know, that was kind

752
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: of a calculated decision they made when Elliott and Jeff

753
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: Scott took over. They didn't want tempo to be as

754
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: much their brand as it was under Chad Morris. They

755
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,919
Speaker 1: basically wanted to focus more on getting into the right

756
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 1: play and saying, our guys are better than yours, right.

757
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: So not that they didn't do tempo. They did it

758
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: when it suited them, including in some high profile playoffs

759
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 1: and championship victories. But I'm interested to see what things

760
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: look like under Brandon Streeter. Their passing game has to

761
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: get rejuvenated. One interesting takeaway from talking to the coaches

762
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: during the spring has been that they some sort of

763
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: self study of recent years and trends they spotted was

764
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: was not really throwing to the middle of the field

765
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,919
Speaker 1: as much as they probably should have. So I think

766
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: that they're going to introduce some new concepts probably and

767
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: while on this kind of sounds contradictory, while also pairing

768
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 1: it down and eliminating some of the some of the clutter.

769
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: Kyle Richardson, who's the first year tight ends coach, is

770
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: also the passing game coordinator, and so it's conditioning to

771
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: see how that sort of meshes and develops moving forward

772
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: as they try to, you know, bring the flash back

773
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: to this, to this offense. I mean talking about twenty nineteen.

774
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: Like what's wild is how much has changed on the field.

775
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: We talked about off the field with nil and portal

776
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: and all that, Like in January of nineteen, we're sitting

777
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 1: here saying, can anybody keep up with Clemson? Has Clemson

778
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 1: eclipsed Alabama? You know after forty four to sixteen, Now

779
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: a few years later, you know, Ohio State and Alabama

780
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: are much more known for the receiving prowess than Clemson

781
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: has been the last could not just last year, but

782
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,919
Speaker 1: year before as well, you know, can they get back

783
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: to what they're used to and that is, you know,

784
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: a prolific offense being largely defined by throwing and catching,

785
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: you know, really high level throwing and catching. So we'll see.

786
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see more of will Shipley. I know

787
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 2: he was Nicknamp. We did a show a couple of

788
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 2: weeks back where we were looking at Heisman odds not

789
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 2: to say that either Dan or I are big proponents,

790
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: are huge fans of the Heisman, but odds are always

791
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 2: interesting this time of year. Will Shipley was pretty low.

792
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 2: He's a versatile kid. He was nicked up. I'm curious

793
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 2: to see kind of in the next revision of Clemson's offense,

794
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 2: how how they use him. You know. With that being said,

795
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: what what should people know about Will Shipley? Who may

796
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: not be familiar with his skill set.

797
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: Man, he can do it all. I mean, just kind

798
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: of a breathtaking talent. And I think it's wild that

799
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: you're able to lose Traves et n the best running

800
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 1: back in school history, best running back in acc history,

801
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: arguably the best playmaker in college football, and replace him

802
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: with Will Shipley. I'm you're speaking my language when you

803
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: talk about you're not you'all not being big fans of

804
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: the Heisman. I'm not either, But for the if you're

805
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,479
Speaker 1: coming up with lists, sort of the case for him

806
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: would be he's going to touch the ball a lot,

807
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: not just on offense, but in a in a return

808
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: capacity as well. That's one thing devo Is has been

809
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:08,439
Speaker 1: good at since he took over wash And as head

810
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: coach in eight was one of his first initiatives was,

811
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: hey man, we're gonna get our best players the ball

812
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: because C. J. Spiller under the previous regime, C J.

813
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: Spiller and James Davis weren't getting it near enough. And

814
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: so I don't think you'll see a shortage of of

815
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 1: touches for him. Just a a super talent who's really

816
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: good in the open field, a physical runner who can

817
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: who can lower his shoulder and and move the pile.

818
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: But just the consummate competitor. What's interesting is that off

819
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:49,720
Speaker 1: the field, he's he's uh, super thoughtful and and uh

820
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,720
Speaker 1: he's a he's he's really involved with his faith and

821
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: and and in the church and all that. Not that

822
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: not that you can't be a good football player if

823
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: you're sure, uh you know, if you're really spiritual. But

824
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: people say he just turns into a different person once

825
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: he gets on the fields, this cutthroat competitor, and he

826
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: was instantly one of the team's leaders when he when

827
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: he arrived last year, by the he was an early

828
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: enroll league, but by the summer debo was was was

829
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: including his name is as one of the one of

830
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: the main leader figurehead types and that might in hindsight

831
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 1: speak some to the void of leadership on the offensive

832
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: side of the ball that we were talking about. But man,

833
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: it's hard to find a better package, I think than

834
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: than will Shipley, just as a person, as a as

835
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: a competitor, and as a a person that you put

836
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: as an asset to your to your entire team who

837
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: there are no frills with him, So it's going to

838
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: be fun to watch, and if he can stay healthy,

839
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: I certainly think he's he's one of those one of

840
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: those elite skill player talents in college football. Yeah.

841
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 2: I mean the odds, the odds that I saw were

842
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 2: back in January. I'm sure they've been updated and I'm

843
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 2: sure they've come down, but at the time he had

844
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 2: the same odds as Drew Pine, who is Notre Dame's

845
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 2: probable backup quarterback. And I was just like, Okay, that

846
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: seems like a seems like an interesting value proposition. If

847
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 2: that's your cup of tea. Larry Williams Tiger illustrated. Like

848
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 2: I said, I could talk to you all day, Clemson dubcast.

849
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 2: What else can we promote for you? What else are

850
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 2: you working on over the next couple months here As

851
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 2: we enjoy the I don't know, last couple of weeks

852
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 2: and months of some degree of freedom before we really

853
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 2: dive back in to this whole college football thing.

854
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the one of the projects that we

855
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: just started last week and had been planning for a

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Speaker 1: couple of months. We started it two days after the

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Speaker 1: spring game was were calling it the Clemson Thirty and

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Speaker 1: I've am in the process of reaching out to thirty

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Speaker 1: prominent former ball players and even some prominent guys who

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Speaker 1: never played for Clemson, including Jeff frank Corps who was

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Speaker 1: headed to Clemson but then Major League Baseball intervened. And

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Speaker 1: what I love about this sort of the theme of

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Speaker 1: this is we're sort of getting out of the way.

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Speaker 1: We're asking them three questions, that's it. One is what

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Speaker 1: are you up to now? Two is what are your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on the state of the program with Dabo? And

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Speaker 1: then three, this is the most interesting your thoughts on

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Speaker 1: the current landscape of college athletics with Namo's likeness and

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Speaker 1: the portal. And I think it's opened a lot of

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Speaker 1: people's eyes so far in that I think almost everybody

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Speaker 1: we've surveyed has said, yeah, these guys should be getting

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Speaker 1: some money, but where there is some nuance. Is I

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Speaker 1: think they're also learned about where things are headed in

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Speaker 1: terms of the portal because they can put themselves in

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Speaker 1: their back in their eighteen nineteen year old shoes and

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Speaker 1: oh god, the coach, just the coach just chewed me out.

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Speaker 1: I'm a fourth day of August camp. I'm going somewhere else,

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Speaker 1: you know. And the educational part of it, which I

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Speaker 1: referred to earlier, like these most of these former athletes

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Speaker 1: are are are are very passionate about the role of

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Speaker 1: education and the importance of education to a lot of

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Speaker 1: these kids. Anyway, not to go off on that, but

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Speaker 1: if you're a Clemson fan out there and you're not

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Speaker 1: already a subscriber, this is a really cool sort of

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Speaker 1: gear shift from the day to day of a season

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Speaker 1: in spring practice, sort of kicking back and catching up

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Speaker 1: with a lot of these a lot of these really

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Speaker 1: interesting personalities for former players from from years past.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's super cool, Larry. Look, I've taken up so

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Speaker 2: much of your time.

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Speaker 1: It's early, man.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you hopping on with me, sharing some of

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Speaker 2: your insight. We're always a little bit smarter for it.

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Speaker 2: So we'll have to invite you back again sometimes soon

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Speaker 2: as we get closer to the season and see how

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Speaker 2: this stuff is shaking out. But in the meantime, thank

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Speaker 2: you as always.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys are great and it's a pleasure. I've

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Speaker 1: always respected what y'all have done, and anytime at all,

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Speaker 1: man it's not I'll jump with a chance to visit

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Speaker 1: with you also, so feel free to reach back out.

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Speaker 2: All righty, there you go. Big thanks again to Larry

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Speaker 2: Williams for his time and insight today. Please go on

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Speaker 2: out and check him out at Tiger Illustrated dot com.

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Speaker 2: As for us, Dan's going to be back next week.

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Speaker 2: We'll continue doing the thing, continue going through spring games,

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Speaker 2: doing our Spring Snapshot episodes to try and keep you

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Speaker 2: up to speed with what's going on in and around

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Speaker 2: the world of college football as best we can. But

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Speaker 2: in the meantime, yeah, I think that's all we have

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Speaker 2: for today. Again, big thanks for downloading for supporting the show.

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Speaker 2: My name is Tye hilden Brandt. Thank you as always,

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Speaker 2: and stay solid.