1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Teams. We shouldn't as Democrats, be a power in the Republicans. 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: President Trump was sent here to smash conventional norms. I 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: would rather see a congressional solution. Pits. Part of my 4 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: DNA is Boomberg sound on land On Bloomberg h D two. 5 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: When we're the economy reopened, California is waiting reopening criteria. 6 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: Meanwhile New York Governor Andrew Cuomo also uniting the states 7 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: to try to figure out when are they going to 8 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: do that? The worst case fears of twenty plus US 9 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: jobless rates are now realistic. We're gonna dive into the numbers. 10 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 1: Plus the international fallout from COVID nineteen and Trump's absolute 11 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: power claim, does the president have absolute power to reopen 12 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: the economy? We're gonna get to all of that. Plus 13 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: we're on standby four the President's daily Coronavirus Task Force meeting. 14 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: You can catch that right here. Lester Munson is going 15 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: to join us. He is a principal at the govern 16 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 1: relations firm, the b GR Group, and MATC. Gorman's gonna 17 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: call in Vice President at targeted Victory. Former NRCC communications 18 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: director and Jack Fitzpatrick Bloomberg Government Congressional reporter, as well 19 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: as how Democrats try to offer a bill to reign 20 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: in President Trump's spending plans. All that, plus former President 21 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: Obama backs Biden under full swing, under full underful way. 22 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: Lester Munson's on the line. Lester, of course, is a 23 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: principle at the Government Relations from b GR group. He's 24 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: also a former senior aide to UH then Senate for 25 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker, back when Corker was chair 26 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: of that committee. The Republican from Santacy, Lester, thanks for 27 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: joining us. Ken. I hope you and your family are 28 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: doing well at this bombshell Washington Post story on the pandemic. 29 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: The headline reading State Department cables warned of safety issues 30 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: at Wuhan lab studying that corona viruses uh. Josh Rogan 31 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: is the columnists, and he says two years he writes, 32 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: two years before the novel coronavirus pandemic upended the world. 33 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: US embassy officials visited a Chinese research facility in the 34 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: city of Wuhan several times and sent two official warnings 35 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: back to Washington about inadequate safety at the lab. I 36 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: mean Josh's column today had everybody talking UH. And it 37 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: comes about two weeks now after Bloomberg's exclusive reporting about 38 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: the intelligence community alerting the administration and raising concerns about 39 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: the origin of the virus as well and China not 40 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: necessarily being as transparent as the international community would have hoped. 41 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 1: You are one of the if not the most senior 42 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: influential UH behind the scenes people inside of the belt Way, 43 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: and you know the way the Senate form Relations Committee 44 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: works when you where are we as it relates to 45 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: a case that is being built not just in America 46 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: but internationally about China having a lot of questions that 47 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: needs to be answered. Well, first of all, it's amazing 48 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: reporting that Josh Rogan did. He's normally more of an 49 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: opinion columnist, but he found some or was provided some 50 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: old State Department cables that are very revealing about what 51 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: actually happened in Wuhan at its Um and I think 52 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: it is going to make a difference. And but this 53 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: is part of a larger story, the culpability of UH. 54 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: You know, the Chinese government for the situation that we 55 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: find ourselves in, and everyone is looking very closely at 56 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: their actions early on in the pandemic. Could they have 57 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: taken steps that were more transparent that would have changed 58 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: the situation where now it seems likely that that's the case. UH. 59 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: And I think what you're seeing. You know, Rogan is 60 00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: not exactly a UH supporter of President Trump. He's say 61 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: skeptic of the president, I would say, generally speaking, But 62 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: you're seeing a convergence of political views in Washington. Supporters 63 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: of the president, people who are skeptical of the president, 64 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: Democrats are all joining together and taking a hard, hard 65 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: look at what China did early on here, and it's 66 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: not going to bode well for China in terms of 67 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: public policy in Washington. I think what we're gonna see 68 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: is attention on the Hill and elsewhere turning away from 69 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: Russia and some of the concerns there and focusing more 70 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: exclusively on Beijing. So what what are the options from 71 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: a foreign policy standpoint that the US community that the 72 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: US has to lodge against Beijing sanctions, tariffs? Where where 73 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: are we on that front? Well? I don't, Uh, there's 74 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: really the toolbox is huge, there's the whole there's really 75 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: the entire panoply of the U. S. Government. What people 76 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: have been talking about is UH pulling apart the two economies. 77 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: Right now, China and the US are very reliant on 78 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: each other. China provides cheap goods to the US, the 79 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: US buys them. It's been a mutually beneficial relationship for decades. 80 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: That is changing. Voices in both parties are saying, we 81 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: need to separate ourselves from the Chinese. We can't be 82 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: reliant on them for things like personal protective equipment for 83 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: when a virus hits, or our medical supply chain, so 84 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: their intellectual property, intellectual property, so and and and it's 85 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: unlocking a whole host of other issues that are up 86 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: concerned to the business community. So what we're what we're 87 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 1: looking at is changing that dynamic where the U S 88 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: And China have kind of used each other to build 89 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: up their economies. That may be changing, and that would 90 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: be huge. That would be a big change in the 91 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,799 Speaker 1: way the world is run today. Uh. And that's gonna 92 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: but that's gonna have outcome in sanctions, in tariffs and 93 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: things you listed. US defense policy may be changing. It's 94 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: been changing really since the Obama administration. This could accelerate that. 95 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: Lesser Munson's on the line. He's a partner at government 96 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: relations firms b GR group lesser. I'm gonna hold you 97 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: over for after the jump, But just another question on 98 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: this point. We're talking about Josh Rogan's reporting in the 99 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: Post today that raises new questions about the Ruhan laboratory 100 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: where this and China's lack of transparency as it relates 101 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: to COVID nineteen uh. You know, these these economic headlines, 102 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: worst case fears of plus US jobless rate are now realistic. 103 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: Is any response to Beijing going to have to wait 104 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: until after or the economic recovery is has begun and earnest. Well, 105 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: I think I think that's a likelihood, But we are 106 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: we are going to face another challenge in the next 107 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: days and weeks, which is the global response to the virus. 108 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: You know, the US has been hit pretty hard by 109 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: the virus. We're starting to see some good news on 110 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 1: some of the numbers, thank goodness, but the other countries 111 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: have yet to be hit. So this wave of infection 112 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: as it goes around the globe is going to hit 113 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: the developing world next. There's going to be a need 114 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: for the US to be the global leader there. China 115 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: is going to challenge that. In China is going to 116 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: try to play a role in helping these countries in 117 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: its own particular way, and they're going to use that 118 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: leverage to advance their national security interests, which includes things 119 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: in the telecommunication, telecommunication space and other areas that we're 120 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: very concerned about five G exactly. So I think you're 121 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: gonna see that play out for the next few months, 122 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: and then we're gonna start to really dig into some 123 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: long term policy concerns about China. What have the Europeans 124 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: been saying with China? Are they skeptical of of Sijing 125 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: Ping or are they buying whatever it is Beijing selling 126 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: quite literally? Well this uh, they they have been buying 127 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: what China has been selling. Unfortunately, until recently the Beijing's 128 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: performance President She's performance on coronavirus has called that into question. 129 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: They've seen um China provide them bad masks, They've seen 130 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: their That's the Italian story of jan Ping in the 131 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: masks is we talked about a couple of weeks ago. 132 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: I can't even wrap my head around that that they 133 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: get some China gives them a contract and then the 134 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: mask don't even work or like thirty of them are malfunctioning. 135 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: That's insane. In the height of that, so that trust 136 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: right there. I mean, if that doesn't break the trust, 137 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: I don't know what will Lester hang on for us. 138 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: Coming up next, we're gonna talk more about small business loans, 139 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: the economic fallout of this, and again that Bombshell report 140 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: and the Washington Report and the Washington Post. Josh Brogan's headline, 141 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: State's Department cables warned of safety issues at Wuhan lab 142 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: studying bat corona viruses. I'm Kevin Sirelli, chief Washington correspondent 143 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: for Boomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. This is Bloomberg. You're 144 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: listening to Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Sireley on Bloomberg 145 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: and one oh five point seven f m h D 146 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: two Tuesday, folks. Tuesday, folks, we were on a group 147 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: video conference. We have our our team's daily video conference, 148 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: and I didn't realize we've been doing this for five weeks. 149 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 1: It's week five of the pandemic lockdown, Shelter in Place. 150 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin's really, chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and 151 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,599 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. Please reach out to me, message me, email me. 152 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: I'm easy to find at Keep's really on Twitter. I 153 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: want to hear from you. I want to hear about 154 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: what businesses are doing in the d m V UH 155 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: and what you're hearing. What are you hearing? Uh, not 156 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: just from a political standpoint, but from a community standpoint. 157 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: I want to know Lester Munson is on hold with us. 158 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: He was where we held him over. I always enjoy 159 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: I always learned when I talked to Lester Munthson. He's 160 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: a partner at the b GR group UH and previously 161 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: was so hard to get a hold of when he 162 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: worked for Senate then Senate for Relations Gimmy Chairman Bob Cork. 163 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: I always joke that the first time I met up 164 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: with Lester many years ago, uh, not that pre pandemic. 165 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: And I sat down and I said, I always wanted 166 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: to talk to you, Lester, but you always never talked 167 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: to reporters, or at least I wasn't. I wasn't one 168 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: of the chosen ones that that Lester would make would 169 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: make time for. So I'm so INCREDIB be grateful for 170 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: him to add his his insight on this, and I 171 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: want to I can follow up with this question as 172 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: we await for President Trump's daily Coronavirus Task Force briefing 173 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: to begin, which you can catch and it's entirety here, Lester. 174 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: So we Europe, Europe, as as you and I have 175 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: talked about before, up until this point, had been willing 176 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: to do business at least parts some of our European 177 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: allies were willing to do business with Shijing Ping in China, 178 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: especially on five G. Will this be one of those 179 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: historical events that causes Europe to recalibrate and readjust and 180 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: rethink doing business with China. Well, you hope it does. 181 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: And the administration has to kind of rise to the 182 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: challenge they've got to and and it's a big lift. 183 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: In addition to addressing of the huge domestic concerns here 184 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: with the coronavirus and getting the economy started, they need 185 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: to act internationally as well. This is this is going 186 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: to be a key moment for the US to really 187 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: put China in its place, which is, uh, you know, 188 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: a a an authoritarian regime that should not be having 189 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: influence with our democratic allies in Europe. And and today 190 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: we really haven't done a terrific job of that. The 191 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: administration has been a little bit tougher on China than 192 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: it's some of its predecessors, but there's there's a long 193 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: way to go. This is a big opportunity for them 194 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: to do it, particularly in a place like Italy has 195 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: been hard hit by coronavirus. Italy has been one of 196 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 1: China's best customers. They brought into the Belton Road Initiative, 197 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: which is China's basically their foreign aid program. We need 198 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: to get We need to get Italy off of that. 199 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: Italy is one of the biggest it's the third biggest 200 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: economy in Europe. We need to get them off of 201 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: off of the Chinese side and onto our side. So, 202 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 1: you know, this is interesting because so much of the 203 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: conversation lester, as you know, has been focused on US 204 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 1: versus China whatnot. But the real pressure is going to 205 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 1: come if other countries pull away from from China, as 206 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: as you point out. So what does the US have 207 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: to do because so much of the last several years, 208 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: and and you know this isn't a critique of whether 209 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: it's right or wrong, but so much of the Trump 210 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: administration in the first term has been very skeptical of 211 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: international agreements and international um organizations and whatnot, in alliances, 212 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: and the President has said he prefers bilateral negotiations over 213 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: a multilateral approach. So does he have to rethink that, 214 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: does he have to to maybe put previous European trade 215 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: issues on hold UH in order to to buddy up 216 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: and get the the old the old alliances back together, 217 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: so to speak, UM, in order to Yeah, that's a 218 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: great question, Kevin, I thank you. I think he's got 219 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: to do what he's been doing, but he has to 220 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: do more. It's fine to pursue bilateral trade agreements as 221 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: we get them. They're gonna they're gonna take a little 222 00:12:57,840 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 1: longer than he thinks. We probably need to do more, 223 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: and he imagines, but we also need to purse We 224 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: need to pursue China in the international flora that already 225 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: exists at the u N, the World's Health Organization UH, 226 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: international finance, financial institutions like the World Bank and the 227 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: i m F. China's had a plan to influence those 228 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: bodies for decades, and they're starting to come to fruition. 229 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: We haven't been paying enough attention. We've been withdrawing from 230 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: the world, trying to hide behind walls and kind of 231 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: turn inward towards ourselves. We really can't afford to do that. 232 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: The US wants to maintain the level of prosperity that 233 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: it has our way of life. We need to be 234 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: engaged in the world. We need to support our trading partners. 235 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: We need to be the leader of the developing world. 236 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: We need to be the ones who are providing assistance 237 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: in places like Africa and particularly Latin America, which is 238 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: our backyard. Chinese making inroads there. I mean, that's one 239 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: of the most under reported. Not to interrupt you lst year, 240 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: but one of the most under reported situations is the 241 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: inroads that China has made in Venezuela. Uh. And as 242 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: that continues to spread is quite startling. That's right, and 243 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: and this is and this is a great opportunity for 244 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: the administration to say, you know what, it's uh, we 245 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: need to rally our base, we need to work with 246 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: the other party, and we need to have a unified 247 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: plan going for it. It's not going to be perfect, 248 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: and there's always going to be people who are critics. 249 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: The big chance for the president to look like the 250 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: global leader that he should be. So that's what the 251 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: president that that's coming from the from the executive branch, Congress. 252 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: So much of what we've been rightfully reporting on has 253 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: been the economic stimulus and getting relief to small and 254 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: medium sized businesses and and just trying to to really 255 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: just let people keep their jobs and keep keep their 256 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: their way of life. And and it's incredibly scary, uh 257 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: and in these times, and and the anxiety from that 258 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: is incredibly incredibly real. What can Congress do? And you 259 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: know this better than everyone. So if you're listening along, 260 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: listen to what Lester Munson's gonna how he's gonna answer 261 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: this guard No, I'm serious though, because you advise the 262 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: Senate Form Relations Committee chairman. What can Congress do? What 263 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: can Leader McConnell do and Speaker Pelosi do from a 264 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: congressional standpoint to pressure China or to respond to the 265 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: I don't even say pressure China, but it's a respond 266 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: to the to the new global geopolitical reality. So I 267 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: think they're they're largely doing the things that need to 268 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: be done. We need to take care of our home first. 269 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: We need to make sure we're strong enough to aid 270 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: our friends and allies around the world. There's probably a 271 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: little more work to do in that area. It looks 272 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: like the first round of relief is going to run 273 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: out a little quicker than we thought, maybe as soon 274 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: as this week in some cases. So there needs to be, 275 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: you know, more spending. And I'm a fiscal conservative and 276 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: I it bothers me a little bit that we're spending 277 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: so much money without having a plan to pay for it. 278 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: But you know, this is an emergency. We probably need 279 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: to do more at home. But we also have to 280 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: start thinking about when we pivot from just being concerned 281 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: about our domestic situation also being concerned about what's going 282 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: on internationally. That's coming up fast. So Congress needs to 283 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: get on the ball. They need to think big. It 284 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be a trillion dollars. It can be 285 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: one per cent of a trillion dollars. You know, start 286 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: with about ten billions. That's enough spending. It'll frank, it 287 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: will take us a while to spend that much, but 288 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: that will make a significant difference in the developing world 289 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: where they're going to need ventilators and pp and testing 290 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: just like we do. We can save tens of thousands 291 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: of lives if we're long to think big. Thank you. 292 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: I like that. That's a good message. That would be 293 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: the quote that my dad would bring home to the 294 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: dinner table. Think big bless Unson, my gratitude. If you're 295 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: listening to Boomberg, want this is Bloomberg. Sound on with 296 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: Kevin Slate on Bloomberg and one or five points seven 297 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: a m h D two Born to Run, Born to 298 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: Run the Boss Bruce Springsteen. I can play that. That's 299 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: one of the songs I learned during the pandemic. Speaking 300 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: of guitars, Roger Fisk, remember him, Democratic strategist, good friend 301 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: of the program. He texted me today, the longtime Obama aide, 302 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: Obama endorsing Biden today and he said that he was 303 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: he He gave me a tour his guitar collection, and 304 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: and and I. You know, one of these days, Roger, 305 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: if you're listening, we gotta get Roger back on. We 306 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: got one of these days, Roger, you will convince me 307 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: to play with you, but only if our next guest 308 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: decides to sing, dance, play, an instrument, or a combination 309 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: of all three. Of course, I'm talking about the legendary 310 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: Matt Gorman. Matt Gorman is a reality television fan but 311 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: also the vice president at Targeted Victory and the former 312 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: NRCC communications director. Matt Buddy, Thanks for calling in, or 313 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna join our band. We'll do it. Yeah, I'll 314 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: dance all day. Well, listen, it's good to hear from you, 315 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: and thanks for calling in. And just to let everybody know, 316 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: we're awaiting President Trump's uh daily Coronavirus Task Force briefing 317 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: that's to begin, according to the President's Twitter feed, at 318 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,199 Speaker 1: five pm Eastern New York time. We're gonna carry that 319 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: live so you can listen to it right here on Bloomberg, 320 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: matt Um. In terms of the politics, let's let's talk 321 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: for a second, because Roger got me all. You know, 322 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: my interest was was upped, you know, as Obama now, 323 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: Biden got Bernie yesterday, Obama today. But what's the plan? 324 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 1: I mean, and not from a strategic standpoint of get 325 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: out the vote, mail in voting. What is the vision? 326 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: Because this is gonna be a fourth quarter battle, you 327 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like one of those football 328 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: games where it's a sloppy game and no one's even 329 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: paying attention to it, and then you turn on the 330 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: fourth quarter in September October, and that's when independent voters 331 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: and swing voters are going to decide. And really, I 332 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 1: think it's a it's a it's a giant question mark 333 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: as to how it's gonna go because people want to 334 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: see how the economy is going to be doing. Absolutely, 335 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: and you talk about strategy, I think the strategy for 336 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: Biden's team right now it's simply get in the news. 337 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: I think they needed something to break through. They're doing 338 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: all these you know, webcasts and YouTube things and webcasts 339 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: of Zoom. I don't care who's on it, go oh yeah, 340 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: don't you get me started on zoom. But no, I 341 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: think that they rolling these things out just to simply 342 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: get in the headlines. And right I was reading Politico, 343 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: you know, playbook today and President Obama the most popular 344 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: figuring the Democratic Party, first black president. Uh couldn't him 345 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: Endorsing Biden wasn't even the top of of playbook PM, 346 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: which you know might be very insider Beltway thing, but 347 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,719 Speaker 1: it's very tell our audience. No, I agree with you. 348 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: I've been I mean, the only thing people are Lettmann 349 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: and our friends Shake Sherman and Anna Palmer. The only 350 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: thing that everybody cares about right now is what's going 351 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:53,360 Speaker 1: on with COVID exactly, no, exactly, And I think, you know, look, 352 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,479 Speaker 1: I've been in a cup of presidential campaigns and we 353 00:19:55,480 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: were going at you know, March of the a year 354 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: before the election, right, so uh and and it's to 355 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: see it's like d escalate and go from sixty to 356 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: zero overnight is jarring. And I think you just need 357 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: to break through. You needs something. It's so weird, you know. 358 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: And I said this to Tom Keene earlier this morning, 359 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: My good buddy Tom Keane and Jonathan Farrell. It is 360 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: so surreal, it's weird. And that's really the right word 361 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: for it. Where you just said to go from sixty 362 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: to zero, you would have thought it's the other way around. 363 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: I mean, as someone who has been embedded with the 364 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: presidential campaign before, you're just used to the go go, go, 365 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: go go, and then all of a sudden that's just gone. 366 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,400 Speaker 1: There's no horse race, there's no you know, campaign in 367 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: fighting there there's none of that because nothing can can 368 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: break through. But does it matter that nothing's breaking through 369 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: right now? You know that That's that's the questions, so 370 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: to speak, because really, you know, does Biden need to 371 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: break through? Is it better? Knowing how Biden can be 372 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: sometimes on the stumping interactor reporters that he's not breaking through, 373 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 1: that he's not going out there every day and answering 374 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: questions that you have. You know, Uh, Trump being the 375 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: center of attention, which I know Trump likes, but sometimes 376 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: it isn't helpful. Um, it's not even Trump, it's Cuomo. 377 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: I mean, Cuomo stolen Biden thunder. I'm not here to 378 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: circulate that Cuomo is going to jump in the race. 379 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: I don't think he has, but I don't know reporting 380 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: to back that up. But I mean Cuomo has become 381 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: in many ways the face of the Democratic Party, at 382 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: least for a period of weeks. That's a great point. 383 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: That's a very good point. And you look at somebody, 384 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting because also Gavin Newsom, who you know, 385 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: Cuomo and Gavin Newsom, which I've been extremely surprised that 386 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: played very nice with Trump, and for the most part, 387 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: up until this morning, Trump has played pretty nice with 388 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: both of them. Uh. And you know, Gavin seems to 389 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 1: have a better story to tell when it comes to 390 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: controlling the virus in the state of California's supposed to 391 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: Cuomo might in New York, but Gavin doesn't get half 392 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: the attention that Cuomo does. You know. Wow, Okay, let's 393 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: go there. So You're a Republican insider. You've worked on 394 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: a host of different presidential campaigns. You're a data guy. 395 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,719 Speaker 1: So anyone who doesn't know about Gorman, Gorman, you know 396 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: he data data. You know he can give you all that. 397 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: But from a Newsom's perspective, and Newsom now has been 398 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: praised by by folks for flattening the curve, for really 399 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: getting the state of California to to get on board. 400 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: Uh and and you know, stay inside California though, has 401 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: they're talking about putting together a task force to reopen 402 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 1: the economy and you know, to map out a reopening. 403 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 1: It's quite interesting because the contrast that you just pointed 404 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: out is not necessarily between Cuomo and Trump, but maybe 405 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: it's Cuomo and Newsom. You're not wrong. And you know, 406 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 1: I think you talked about how COVID and and the 407 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: effecting the election. This tight rope that Trump, Um, Newsome, 408 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: Cuomo and all these other governors are gonna walk is 409 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: that is going to tell me more than anything in 410 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: this election. Right, how do you balance the economic impact 411 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: with the health care impact? They'll tell you right now. 412 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: You know, the worst thing for everyone involved was if 413 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: we have to go back and do this again in 414 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: the fall, because I don't even have when people talk 415 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: like that, I can't even go there, Gorman, if we're 416 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: doing this again in the fall, we can't even go there. 417 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: I can't even go there. Go ahead, No, yeah, absolutely right, 418 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: absolutely right. And so I think whatever happens, I think 419 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 1: it helps to be in the more conservative side. And look, 420 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: in a way, Trump is sending on himself to be 421 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: the foil, because he could be like, look, I told 422 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 1: you guys to do this, and you're holding back, and 423 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 1: that's why the economy is going downhill Newsom said quote 424 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: he said today quote there's no light switch here. It's 425 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: more like a dimmer. And so he goes on essentially 426 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: to say that to consider moder find stay at home orders, 427 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: California will need to meet criteria including the ability to 428 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 1: do widespread testing and contact tracing. And that's been something 429 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: that everyone's really been saying. I mean, and I was 430 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: talking to administration officials, the widespread testing issue, UH is 431 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 1: really going to be UH paramount in order to get 432 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: people back to work. US infections, by the way, just 433 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: to give people a health update, US coronavirus cases rose 434 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: four point six. It's a five hundred and ninety eight 435 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: thousand on Tuesday, according to Johns Hopkins University and Bloomberg 436 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 1: News uh A, New York, the epicenter in the United 437 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: States reported a three point seven increase. That's down from 438 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 1: ten percent increase on April one. So, you know, I 439 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: mean the data appears to be what we're doing is 440 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: working in terms of the social distancing, but it's it's 441 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: from an economic standpoint, it's startling. Okay, this is where 442 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: I want to take the conversations. We a wait for 443 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: President Trump. We talked about Democrats, Let's talk about the 444 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: economic data. When as a Republican eider, as someone who 445 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: knows a thing or two about the way elections are, one, 446 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 1: the president has made a decision right, wrong or indifferent 447 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: to be on the side of getting the economy reopened. 448 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: Talk to me about the political calculation for why he's 449 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: doing that and why he wants to be on that 450 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: side of the argument. You know, I think it's for 451 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: some way, it's a little bit of seeing what he lost. 452 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 1: And I've been on your show and I said, there's 453 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: numerous times we especially talked about trade. Was the economy 454 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: is And I guess now somewhat was the silver bullet 455 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,959 Speaker 1: for Republicans that how how the economy fared was going 456 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: to tell a lot about our fate. Now this isn't, 457 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,719 Speaker 1: you know, a random recession. This is very, very different. 458 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: That's why you know, it's it's easier to make the 459 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: case that Republicans didn't cause the coronavirus. But you're absolutely right. 460 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: And I think in a way, Trump is trying to 461 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: salvage in what he lost, so to speak, and try 462 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 1: and reignite it, to get it in some semblance of 463 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: where he was, because that's where he feels comfortable. He 464 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: wants to run on the economy. Um, you know, he 465 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: doesn't want to be a stuck in the briefing room 466 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,719 Speaker 1: all day, and he doesn't want to have you know, 467 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: Tony Fauci following him to battleground states given updates on 468 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 1: the healthcare UH situation while Trump can do his rallies. 469 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: That's a that's another QUI even you know politely, I'm 470 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna press you a little bit because even 471 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: the perceived tension between Faucia and Trump I think was 472 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: a calculation on the White Houses part. I mean, I 473 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: don't think they necessarily didn't want to. I think that 474 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: tension again. Anything that says Trump wants to get the 475 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: economy reopened, I think the White House is okay with that. Yeah, 476 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: but you know, there was there was a pull out today, 477 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:41,679 Speaker 1: and that's funny that we talked about. The thing that 478 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: actually bumped Obama from the top of playbook was the 479 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: fact that, you know, a majority, it was like some 480 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: Americans would be willing to stay at home another month. Uh, 481 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: you know, and who are they? I'm so sorry, I 482 00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: got I listen. I'm not I I am uh who 483 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 1: are they appalling? Who wants that there's nothing to do? 484 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,719 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry, I got it rated in, rated in? 485 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: I understand, get more reality shows. That's why I think 486 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: you need right now. I can't listen. I can't believe 487 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: the words that I haven't even watching TV. I've been reading. 488 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: I've been reading books. Literally, I know you must be bored. 489 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: I don't mean to turn this into the comedic Hour, 490 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: but I mean, but truthfully, social distancing is working. But 491 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 1: to do this another go ahead. Just one other thing 492 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: that we haven't talked about. Trump is getting restless. And 493 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 1: this remind it reminds me a lot of the rest 494 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: of the country exactly exactly what you know, how Trump is. 495 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 1: He reminds me of eight nineteen. He was stuck over 496 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: Christmas because of the shutdown in the White House. Remember 497 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 1: Trump has always thrived and where he was getting taste 498 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: of it once more right before this on those massive rallies, 499 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 1: the adoration of his base, getting up there and just 500 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: you know, speaking off the saying whatever the heck he wants, 501 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: he is not. That is one thing he can't do 502 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: right now, if it's probably ever throughout this campaign with 503 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: large rallies, that is something that's going to really wait 504 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: on him. And we're starting to see it now. All right, 505 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: So that's the presidential front. Take us to the down 506 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: ballot races. How's this going to play in the Senate? 507 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 1: So here? So here's kind of the way I break 508 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: it down. I worked at the NRCC. Of course we 509 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: did house races. This is how we think of you know, 510 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: how you get attention depending on what level race you are. Uh, 511 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 1: presidentials all earned media. So what that means is it's 512 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,479 Speaker 1: not really it's not paying for advertisements on TV or radio. 513 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: It's what you see on the news, what you see 514 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: in the paper, what you see online. The Senate um 515 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: for the most part is paid media those ads you 516 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,959 Speaker 1: need to raise money, and by those ads, except for 517 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: those top tier center races right so Arizona, Maine, North Carolina, Colorado, 518 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: House is all paid media. And this is an extremely 519 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: rare instance where the entire earned media, the landscape TV, 520 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: both in newspapers at the national and local level are 521 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: entirely saturated by this entirely, so you have to rely 522 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: on paid media. I was talking to one of my 523 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: friends who does a lot of work in the Senate races, 524 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: and he was telling me, oh, yes, you know this, 525 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: candidates up already on the air with TVs and I'm like, oh, really, 526 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: Like it doesn't break through as much, so you need 527 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: in a way to really find a way to really 528 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: get paid messaging out there. But look, make no mistake, 529 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: when it comes to Republicans, a lot is going to 530 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,479 Speaker 1: be determined and what the presidential especially in the House 531 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: because those are far less defined. Um the Senate, it's 532 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: a little bit easier. You have a lot more money, 533 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: you can run a lot more ads, House and a 534 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: lot of ways, take it from me, is gonna be 535 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: very determinative on the top of the battot you know, 536 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: it's it's great stuff, Gorman. I really appreciate you, uh 537 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: calling in and breaking it all down from every which 538 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: way that the political ramifications. And I when I was 539 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: doing my show prep, I said, we got into a 540 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: political segment and I got to cover the administration, the 541 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: Democrats and the down ballot races. Who is the person 542 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: to do it? And Uh, I said, the one, the only, 543 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: the one, the only, Gorman. So thank you. I'm gonna 544 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: let you go and I'm gonna vamp for a little 545 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: bit as we wait to get Greg's store on the line. 546 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: And just to shout out to our entire production team, 547 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: which has been working tirelessly behind the scenes, uh doing 548 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: all sorts of different things. Our executive producer Christine Barrata 549 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: uh and Matt Shirley in a courts drop Bob Bragg 550 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: because we've learned so much about production over the past 551 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: five weeks as we've been dealing with this, and we're 552 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: awaiting now to get Greg's store on the line to 553 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: talk about he's our Supreme Court reporter, and we're gonna 554 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: talk about the powers that the president has, uh too 555 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: to really does he does the president have? Not just 556 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: President Trump does any president have absolute power to reopen 557 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: the economy or is that going to be up to 558 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: the states? Is that going to be up to the governors? 559 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: And just a reminder, and as we wait to get 560 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: Greg Store on the line, we're also waiting for President 561 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: Trump's daily Coronavirus Task Force briefing to start, and you 562 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: can listen to that in its entirety. It sets to 563 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: begin momentarily right here on Bloomberg. Greg Stores on the line. 564 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: He is the one and only Bloomberg News Supreme Court reporter. Greg, 565 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: You've been busy. Congrats on all of your amazing coverage. 566 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: I've been glued to it, and so is Matt Shirley. 567 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: And he's always said in the articles, He's like, did 568 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: you see this that Greg did? I said, yes, yes, 569 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: it's amazing. So does the president have absolute powers to 570 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: open the economy? No, he doesn't count. I've talked to 571 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: a lot of constitutional scholars, a lot of reading and 572 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: in second stuff out look, the Constitution is pretty clear 573 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: that the states have a lot of authority, in particular 574 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: over local health and safety regulations what the courts called 575 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: the police power. The Tenth Amendment of the Constitution specifically 576 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: reserves that power to the states, and that's really what 577 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is talking about, uh, trying to take over uh. 578 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: You know, these orders that people should stay at home, 579 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: that stores should be closed, those are very much traditional 580 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: state things and it's a pretty poor president is pretty 581 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: clear that that would be a real overreach by the president. 582 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: So so who actually then, so explain to us in 583 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: very simple terms, because you're you know, every which way 584 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: of all the legalities of all of this, what power 585 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: does the president have, what power does the governor have, 586 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: and how does that get decided in this situation? Get 587 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: very specific, Well, that that when we're talking about an order, 588 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: which is what we have in the states now, that 589 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: people should stay at home, that they should uh, that 590 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: that retail establ establishments should be closed. That is a 591 00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: a traditional state health regulation. Even though the president the 592 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: vice president at that briefing yesterday talked about, uh it 593 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: being an emergency, and even though the president might have 594 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: some extra power in an emergency, UH, this is still 595 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: an area where the courts have not been willing to 596 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: let the federal government intrude because we have this uh 597 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: you know, this two state system. There's two sovereign system. 598 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: The federal government and the state power. And that would 599 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: particularly be the case when we start talking about things 600 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: like schools or parks, are things that don't even involve 601 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: directly at least economic activity. If it's economic activity, gets 602 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: a little bit closer to the commerce clause, which is 603 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 1: something that Congress can regulate, the federal government can regulate. 604 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: But if we're talking about say, schools, we're pretty far 605 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: away from there. All right. So that's what's going on 606 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: in terms of the president uh and the governors and 607 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: what rights everybody has? What everybody what rights the governors 608 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: and the president has. There's this other really arresting story 609 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: going on with the Supreme Court that I have to 610 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: ask you about. The Supreme Court is hearing arguments by 611 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 1: phone by phone, by phone because of the work from home. 612 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: So not even the Supreme Court of the United States 613 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: is exempt from the work from home issue. Wow, explain 614 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: to me this. Yeah, they they've been working from home. 615 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,919 Speaker 1: They canceled their arguments for March and April um, and 616 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,720 Speaker 1: they have been still doing a lot of their business. 617 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: But we're told that like the private conferences have been 618 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: happening by phone, they haven't been going in there um. 619 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: And they've you know, faced with the possibility that twenty cases, 620 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 1: including these big cases involving subpoenas for for Donald Trump's 621 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: financial records, faced with the possibilities they wouldn't be able 622 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: to decide those cases this term, the Court decided they're 623 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: going to do something they've never done before. They're going 624 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: to hold these arguments by phone, not in the courtroom, 625 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 1: and to allow public access. They're going to do something 626 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: else they've never done before, which is they're gonna allow 627 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: live audit broadcast coverage of it. So all these arguments, 628 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: these tank cases they are now going to hear in May, 629 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,760 Speaker 1: are going to be uh live on on c SPAN 630 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: and uh probably Bloomberg TV for at least some of them. Uh. 631 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: And that will be the first time a lot of 632 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: people in the public will have a chance they'll have 633 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: to actually hear a Supreme Court argument while it's happening. 634 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 1: That's huge. I mean, that might be one of the 635 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 1: legacies of this pandemic that sticks. No, yeah, it might be. 636 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: This is something the Court has really resisted. They're very 637 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: resistant to change. They really don't like changing the way 638 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: they do arguments. They've been especially resistant to having camera 639 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: coverage in the courtroom. That's not going to happen here. 640 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: But this may be a genie that's hard to put 641 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: back in the bottle once, especially with these subpoena cases, 642 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: which of course are going to get get a huge 643 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: amount of public attention. You know, once, once we have 644 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: a scenario where the public is actually uh, if they 645 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: want to having a chance to listen to these arguments 646 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: while they happen. It's gonna be awfully hard with the 647 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 1: Supreme Court to turn around and say, we've actually got 648 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: a good reason why we why we don't want to 649 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: do that anymore going forward. So there's at least the 650 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: chances will be a permanent change. Wow, if you're just 651 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 1: joining us, I'm Kevin Sireli, Chief Washington correspondent fro Bloomberg 652 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: Television and Bloomberg Radio, Greg Stores on the line. He 653 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: is the go to guy, uh, covering all things Supreme 654 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 1: Court for Bloomberg. And there's been so much about you know, 655 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: which who has yourstiction in terms of who has the authority? 656 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: Is it the president? Is it the governors? And then 657 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: there's this issue of Supreme Court arguments going on on teleconference. 658 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: I mean, we don't even think of these things folks, Uh, 659 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,959 Speaker 1: were you also just to plug this. We're awaiting any 660 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 1: moment now for the President's come out to deliver the 661 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: daily Coronavirus Task Force briefing, and you can listen to 662 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 1: that right here on Bloomberg. We have a couple of 663 00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 1: minutes left, Greg, and we mentioned that some of those 664 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: cases that are going to start next month the opening 665 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: oral arguments. Um, what are some of those cases that 666 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: are going to be underway? Are there any COVID nineteen 667 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 1: cases or are these all separate? They're all separate that 668 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 1: the COVID nineteen cases that we've seen get up to 669 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: the court. Of course, there was a ruling that the 670 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 1: court made on the Wisconsin election where they said that 671 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: ballot had to be postmarked by election day. Those are 672 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: things that kind of come up on an emergency basis. 673 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,839 Speaker 1: There was an abortion case out of Texas which has 674 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 1: now been withdrawn, where where a lower court was allowing 675 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:40,240 Speaker 1: Texas to base ban almost all abortions during the coronavirus outbreak. 676 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: That lower court has sends reverse course. In terms of 677 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,359 Speaker 1: the cases that are going to be argued in May, 678 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: these are ones that are a little more kind of 679 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: longer term focused. Um, one other big one that I'll 680 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 1: mention to you though. In addition to the subpoena cases, 681 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,279 Speaker 1: is there there are a couple of fights over so 682 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: called faithless electors, people who, you know, when the electoral 683 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: College is going to select the president, people who who 684 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 1: say I want the ability to vote for who I choose, 685 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 1: not necessarily the person who won, the candidate who won 686 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 1: the most votes in my state. And the Supreme Court 687 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 1: is going to decide whether states can basically require electors 688 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,320 Speaker 1: uh to to support the candidate that won the state. 689 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 1: And this was the case the Court really seemed to 690 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 1: want to decide, not in the middle of an election controversy, 691 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,359 Speaker 1: because you can imagine what what a miss if if 692 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 1: it happened when you know, they were actually deciding who's 693 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 1: going to be the president. Now they're going to be 694 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 1: able to decide it, you know, in a context where 695 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 1: we don't really know whether it would help the Republican 696 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,799 Speaker 1: candidate or the Democratic candidate. So that's also a case 697 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 1: they're going to hear by telephone and we'll probably get 698 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: a fair and just one final question, um, and that 699 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 1: we have a minute left. Uh, what about access to 700 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: mail and voting? Could that end up in the Supreme Court. Um, 701 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 1: it could well, uh make it up there. I would 702 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 1: take I would kind of expected it would in some 703 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 1: form before November. Uh. You know, we've seen it every 704 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 1: election year. More and more we get a lot of 705 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: these emergency cases where you know, somebody is maybe trying 706 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 1: to change the voting rules right before the election and 707 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 1: somebody sues. Uh. It would not surprise me at all 708 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: if there is litigation along those lines, and based on 709 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 1: what we saw in the Wisconsin case, this conservative court 710 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 1: may be inclined to uh to limit the ability of 711 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 1: people to cast me on in Now. All right, Greg Story, 712 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Supreme Court reporter, Thanks so much for calling in 713 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 1: to break all of that down. That does it for me, 714 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,360 Speaker 1: That does it for our team. Bob Brad, Christine barrotom 715 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 1: at Shirley coming up next. Listen right here on Bloomberg 716 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: ninety one to the President's daily Coronavirus Task Force Briefing. 717 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and 718 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. Thank you again for listening to Bloomberg