1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:02,000 Speaker 1: Cam, I am six forty. 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John and Ken Show on demand 3 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 2: on the iHeartRadio app. 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: Come Chris merrill in for the Boys. A huge news 5 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: today and Stephen Portnoy is our ABC News national correspondent 6 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: of Washington. And Stephen, we have a sitting president's son 7 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: indicted on federal firearms charges. And I can only assume 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: we're talking about felonies here. This is a big deal. 9 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 3: And serious charges too. I mean, when you look at 10 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 3: the aggregate sentence that could be brought for conviction on 11 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 3: these three counts, twenty five years in prison. 12 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: Wow, So what are we talking about? 13 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 3: Hunter Biden bought a handgun in twenty eighteen at a 14 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 3: time when he says in his book he was a 15 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 3: drug addict, a regular user of drugs, and there are 16 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 3: photographs of him posing naked with a pistol. There's photographs 17 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 3: of him with drug paraphernalia all on that laptop. So 18 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 3: today charges were brought, arges that almost never are brought 19 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 3: in this way without being attached any kind of a 20 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 3: larger felony involving drugs or guns or violent crime. Oftentimes, 21 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 3: when a charge like this is brought, it's in connection 22 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 3: with other crimes so that prosecutors can obtain a stiffer sentence. 23 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 3: Oh okay, well, in this case, it's in a vacuum. 24 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 3: And it's why Democrats and hunter Biden's defense lawyers say 25 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 3: that this is all part of political pressure being brought 26 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 3: to bear by Congressional Republicans upon David Weiss the Special Council. 27 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 3: What we do know is that this was something that 28 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 3: the Special Council's office was set to set aside as 29 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 3: part of an agreement with Hunter Biden where he was 30 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 3: going to plead guilty to two tax related misdemeanors and 31 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 3: in exchange, he would have the felony gun possession charge 32 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 3: set aside in part of a diversion program. But now, 33 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,639 Speaker 3: because those plea agreement negotiations fell apart over the summer, 34 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 3: the prosecutors are moving forward and they have brought this 35 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 3: three count indictment. 36 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: All Right, Steven Portnoy, our ABC News national correspondent in Washington, 37 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: as we dive into what this means, since it is 38 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: something that is so rarely charged as a standalone here, 39 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: I mean, is it tried any differently? It would seem 40 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: that if they're pressing forward on this, the Court's treated 41 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: like any other case, although it is a little bit 42 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: odd that they're bringing something that is not normally charged. 43 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 3: Well, look, it's a standalone case because that's what the 44 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 3: way the prosecutors decided it should be. What's interesting is 45 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 3: it's being announced now. This is not the conclusion of 46 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 3: the Special Council's investigation into Hunter Biden. You know, there 47 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 3: are those tax charges that he was going to plead 48 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 3: guilty to. Those have not yet been resolved, so there's 49 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 3: more to come. Republicans in Congress say this is a 50 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 3: small first step and a positive one, they say, but 51 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 3: they say that there ought to be more, and they say, 52 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 3: if there isn't more, and then it'll be a sign 53 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 3: that the Justice Department is covering for Hunter Biden. There 54 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 3: have been a lot of insinuation, a lot of innuendo, 55 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 3: a lot of suggestions speculation that Republicans have offered no 56 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 3: hard and fast evidence to convince the public that Joe 57 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 3: Biden had anything to do with Hunter Biden and riching 58 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 3: himself by peddling the family name. But we'll see what 59 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 3: happens next. There's one thing that we're all sort of 60 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 3: watching for, and that is the possibility that the Special 61 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 3: Counsel's Office might bring charges related to the Foreign Agents 62 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 3: Registration Actor FARA. When the plea agreement became undone before 63 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 3: everyone's eyes and the ears in open court in Wilmington, 64 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 3: Delaware at the middle of the summer, the judge who's 65 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 3: presiding over this bewildered by the document that was placed 66 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 3: before her contending language she'd never before seen. Picking apart 67 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 3: the fact that the two sides clearly had a difference 68 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 3: of opinion as to the scope and extent of immunity 69 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 3: that Hunter Biden thought he was going to get from prosecutors, 70 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 3: she asked the prosecutors in that hearing whether they might 71 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 3: pursue charges of violating the FARA Act, the Foreign Agents 72 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 3: Registration Act, taking money for foreign entities to do their 73 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 3: bidding here in Washington without registering with the Justice Department 74 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 3: as a foreign agent as you're supposed to do. And 75 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 3: when the prosecutor said, well, maybe that really put Hunter 76 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 3: Biden and his defense attorneys on their heels. So is 77 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 3: there going to be a FARA charge? 78 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 4: We don't know. 79 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: It's interesting, Stephen. You in to make great point, Stephen Portanoy, 80 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: our ABC News national correspondent, about the timing on this. 81 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: Why not hold this charge until the Special Council might 82 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: be ready to drop more charges. 83 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 3: Well, the answer to that one is simple, and that 84 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 3: is the fact that because this process of dealing with 85 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 3: this particular account was already initiated. There is what's known 86 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 3: as the Speedy Trial Act, which governs the timing of 87 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 3: these proceedings. And in a filing a couple of weeks 88 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 3: ago in federal court, the prosecutor said, we understand our 89 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 3: obligations to act under the Speedy Trial Act. We understand 90 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 3: our deadline is the end of September. 91 00:04:59,360 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: On this gun chart. 92 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 3: We will beat that deadline. And they beat it today 93 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 3: announcing the three count indictments. 94 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 1: All right, that makes perfect sense. Now what are we 95 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: looking at it as a timeline then moving forward? You know, 96 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: we've obviously the closest thing we have to compare this 97 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: too politically is the charges against former President Trump and 98 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: a number of his supporters and advisors. That has It's 99 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: all over the board. The scheduling is could be October, 100 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: could be April twenty twenty six. We don't know. 101 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, Unfortunately, I don't have the answer you're looking for. 102 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 3: And I, frankly the first thing would be the initial appearance. 103 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 3: It is interesting that this Hunter Biden is a Secret 104 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 3: Service protectee, so I guess the Secret Service has some 105 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 3: experience now dealing with booking. So that'll be the first 106 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 3: thing to happen in Wilmington where Hunter Biden will have 107 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 3: to appear on these charges. He's now been indicted by 108 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,679 Speaker 3: grand jury. But how soon this will come to trial 109 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 3: and when what else is to come Our answers we 110 00:05:59,279 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 3: don't have now. 111 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: I should also point out that this is a federal charge, right, 112 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: so this would fall and I'd love just being a 113 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist here. There's no reason to believe this would happen, 114 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: but it does fall under the purview of potential pardon, 115 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 1: would it not. 116 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 3: Well, Look, the White House has been asked about this. 117 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:21,119 Speaker 3: They you know they First of all, they have tried 118 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 3: not to comment about today's indictment. The President ignored shouted 119 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 3: questions about it. But the idea that Hunter Biden would 120 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 3: be pardoned by his father is something that they really 121 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 3: don't want to even contemplate and have not wanted to address. 122 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: No, of course they don't want to. But I just 123 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: love the I love the drama playing out in front 124 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: of US. Stephen Portenoire, ABC News National correspondent Washington for 125 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: their update on the Hunter Biden indictment the firearms charges. 126 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: Very informative, Stephen, thank you for your work on this. 127 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: I appreciate you. All right. I am fascinated by all 128 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: of it. I'm fascinated by the politics behind all of it. 129 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: I'm fascinated that you've got the president's son that's just 130 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: been charged because, uh, basically there was the political demand 131 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: for it from the group that says that the DOJ 132 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: has been weaponized. I don't think that DJ has done 133 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: anything wrong in this case. I think the DJ is great. Look, 134 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: you want to charge him, charge him, you want to 135 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: charge him with the with the other misdemeanor tax evasion, 136 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: charge him, you want to charge him with uh, with 137 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: the not registering at Farah. I think that's probably a 138 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: slam dunk. Yeah, I think all of that is probably 139 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: in the works. But it does sort of cut into 140 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: the whole weaponization thing that we've got members of the 141 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: Freedom Caucus insisting on as part of the verbiage and 142 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: the upcoming the upcoming budget bill. They say, well, we 143 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: have to address the weaponization of the DOJ. While the 144 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: president's son is under indictment. It is a two way street, 145 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: and I just I'm here to watch Rome burn. I guess, 146 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: bring me my fiddle. All right, we'll talk about the 147 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: sisters of perpetual indulgence, perpetually indulging themselves, because why wouldn't they? 148 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: That's next. I'm Chris merrill Ian for John Kin Today. 149 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: I am six forty. We're live everywhere on your iHeartRadio app. 150 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from kf 151 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 4: I am six forty. 152 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: We got big strike on the horizon. Man. This has 153 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: been a weird year for strikes. I know, Year of 154 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: the strike, right, and I get that it's but it's 155 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,359 Speaker 1: everything seems to be coming to a head here in September. 156 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: I don't know, Maybe we should do a before and 157 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: a half or what do you think? Who will end 158 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: their strike first? Now? The UAW may go on strike 159 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: starting I think tonight, right midnight, midnight tonight is what 160 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: it is, thank you? So who ends to the strike first? 161 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: UA w WGA, sag AFTRA or I think Tyser may 162 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 1: go on strike here shortly too, right? They authorized a strike? Yeah, yeah, 163 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: so who ends up? Who goes? Who finishes their strikings. 164 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 5: First, I would say the car strike, the autoworkers strike. 165 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: I agree. I agree. Well, we'll dive into what their 166 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: contentions are. One of the things that they're asking for 167 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: is a bit ridiculous, but I think it's more of 168 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 1: a point than anything else, So it's certainly one of 169 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: those things that they can negotiate out on. So you're 170 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: familiar with the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, right, that's the 171 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:32,839 Speaker 1: group that was. They were invited to the Dodgers Pride Night, 172 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: and then they were uninvited because America is losing their 173 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: minds about drag shows all of a sudden, and then 174 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: they got reinvited. Yes, yeah, okay, So now one of 175 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: the members of the Eureka chapter just got in trouble 176 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: in lolieda coastal community fifteen miles south of Eureka, Clinton Monroe. 177 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: Ellis Gilmour allegedly made no attempts. This from the New 178 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: York Post is, which has basically become like the Washington Examiner. 179 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: North allegedly made no attempt to hide the perverted act 180 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: they're calling it on August twelfth, when he stopped off 181 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: in a public park and decided he was going to 182 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: perpetually indulge himself, or, as Shannon Ferrin called it, self care. 183 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 6: Oh no, no, no, I can't do that. 184 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 1: You can't do self care? No, okay, Well here's there 185 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: are some details to this that are a bit succulent. 186 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 6: There's that word again. 187 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: There it is okay. According to numerous witnesses, this dude 188 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: had been at the location for about an hour, sitting 189 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: in his truck with the door open, taking care of 190 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: business in an hour, thank you, that's what caught my eye. 191 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: To an hour. Wow. At some point we call it 192 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: doctor because things are going on too law. 193 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 6: I was going to say, there's an issue there. You 194 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 6: think you got I was thinking the same, thank you. 195 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: Nowhere in the report is that is there any reference 196 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: to lotions or any other lubricants of the sort. I 197 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: am completely blown away by this. They do claim, according 198 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: to some witnesses, that basically he pulled over in this park, 199 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: he opened up one door and dropped a leg out 200 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: the side, and I guess I don't know that he 201 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: was making eye contact, but he certainly wanted people to 202 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:33,839 Speaker 1: see him, according to witnesses. One witness says that parked 203 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: two spots away from This person had the left leg 204 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: out the open door of the truck, right leg up 205 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: on the dashboard with no pants on, giving him a 206 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: full view of our perpetual indulgent sister taking care of them. 207 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: But then another question comes to mind. Not only is 208 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: this guy going to town for an hour, but witness 209 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: is are what making sure he doesn't stop? To listen 210 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: this guy? Do you guys see what this guy's doing. 211 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: He's been doing it for like forty five minutes. We've 212 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: been watching the whole time. I would be watching me, 213 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 1: thank you. At some point, don't you go this is vile. 214 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call the police and leave. Yes, But evidently 215 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: they didn't. They didn't leave, They just told to. So 216 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: I think we've got a lot of problems all the 217 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: way around on this now. Of course, what's what's going 218 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: on is that this has been picked up, like I said, 219 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: by the New York Post. So what they're doing now 220 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: is they're basically saying, look, this guy is a pervert. 221 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: We knew everybody in that group was a pervert. They're 222 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: all perverts, and this is what's happening to America today. 223 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: Are you sure you want to have that drag time 224 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 1: Story Hour at the library, because you know what they're doing. 225 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: As soon as they're done with that drag time Story Hour, 226 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: they're going right out to their cars and they're they're 227 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: opening the doors for an hour. And you also have 228 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: to wonder, is it the first time? Oh, well, you 229 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: never know, Well, this isn't the first time. 230 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 5: It could be that's why it's taken so long. Oh, 231 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 5: but then nervous Maybe I don't know. 232 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, I kind of forgetting. 233 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: I hope I don't get in trouble. But this is exciting, 234 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: But I hope I don't get in trouble. Or maybe 235 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: it's not the first time, so it wasn't as exciting, 236 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: and it took an hour. And again he. 237 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 5: Has an issue. Maybe he has some kind of a 238 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 5: health issue there, you know. 239 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what does he need to be milked 240 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: every so often to avoid something? 241 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 3: Yeah? 242 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 6: That perhaps I don't know. 243 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 5: I mean, don't you think that there's an issue if 244 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 5: it takes an hour? 245 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 6: I mean, I'm not a guy, so I'm not really 246 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 6: the one to ask. 247 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: Okay, just from a human, from a human standpoint, how 248 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: do you keep your you're focus that well, you can't, right, 249 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: I mean even if even if a long time for 250 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: you is five minutes, maybe for some people it's not. Uh. 251 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: After about twenty minutes, doesn't your mind start to wander, 252 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: especially if you're at a park and you go, oh, 253 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: they have puppies over there, did or maybe cramps got 254 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: to be something that goes on. 255 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 6: He's superhuman. 256 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: Clearly you really the sister of perpetual indulgence. Truly is metaphysical. 257 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: I love you guys for it. All right, we uh, 258 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: we do want to get into the strike. Which strike, Well, 259 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: it's the latest strike. Of course we'll talk the right things. 260 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: They're popping off all over the place. 261 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 6: Summer strikes. 262 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: Man, what happens with the ua W strike and what 263 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: does it mean to your next vehicle? It could have 264 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: an impact. That is next. I'm Chris Merrill k if 265 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: I AM six forty. We're live everywhere on your iHeartRadio app. 266 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 267 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 4: AM sixty. 268 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: Year of the strike. Right, we've got the Writers Guild 269 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: SAGA for those are the big ones that catch a 270 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: lot of headlines. We've got Kaiser Permanente is authorizing a strike. Oh, 271 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: speaking of SAG, I just got notice that SAG is 272 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: now asking to authorize for those in the video game sector. 273 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: Is that all voiceover stuff? 274 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 2: Yeah? 275 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: Is it the Okay? So there's another there's another avenue 276 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: that may be striking. And we've got the hospital hotel workers. 277 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: That's another one that was that's got strikes going on, 278 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: and now it could be the UAW. Mike Dubuski is 279 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: ABC News Technology reporter. He's in Detroit, and what's the 280 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: vibe there in Detroit? Mike, it seems like this is 281 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: a big deal for that city. Oh. 282 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah. So I'm actually sitting here at the Detroit 283 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 2: Auto Show. You might actually hear some cars screeching around 284 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 2: in the background here. That's the electric vehicle test track 285 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 2: that they have set up. Yeah, I know, the theater 286 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 2: of the mind here. We got to do what we 287 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 2: can in radio. But yes, the vibe, the mood of 288 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 2: the Detroit Auto Show, this sort of pre eminent North 289 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 2: American Auto Show, is all about the strike and the 290 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 2: concern by organizers here and by sort of the city 291 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 2: of Detroit, is that a potential UAW strike, a historic 292 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 2: one is that would overshadow this auto show that has 293 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 2: struggled in recent years, especially since the pandemic, so the 294 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 2: whole city's talking about it. I went to a whole 295 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 2: bunch of automotive press conferences yesterday and just overhearing people talk, 296 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 2: it is all all about this UAW strike that's kind 297 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 2: of looming. 298 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: So if the UAW does go on strike, it doesn't 299 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: mean everybody shuts down, right, just certain plants will go 300 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: on strike, and we don't even know which ones those 301 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: are yet. 302 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. So what Sean Sayin is proposing here 303 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 2: is certain workers will walk off the job and others 304 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 2: will remain working under the existing contract, which by that 305 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 2: point you'll have expired. And the goal there is basically 306 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 2: two fold. One, Sean Fain, who's the president of the UAW, 307 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 2: says that allows them to sort of laser target to 308 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 2: really hit the Big three where it hurts. The other 309 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 2: part of this is purely logistical. The UAW has a 310 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 2: strike fund, basically a big bucket of money, and by 311 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 2: only allowing some people to walk off the job, that 312 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 2: prolongs the life of that strike fund. That allows them 313 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 2: to potentially strike for longer, if that's indeed what they 314 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 2: want to do. So that is kind of their logic here. 315 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 2: It does not look like everybody's going to walk off 316 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 2: the job if the deal is not reached by midnight, 317 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 2: by the stroke of midnight's night, eleven fifty nine Eastern. 318 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 2: But that is kind of the lay of the land 319 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 2: here as a stand. 320 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 1: Mike Debuski is a ABC News technology reporter. He's in Detroit, 321 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, at the auto show in his scene center. 322 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 1: We love to call that in radio, Mike, what where 323 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: are the sticking points? What's going on here? I know 324 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: that the auto workers are asking for an astronomical raise, 325 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: but that seems to be more of a point that 326 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: they're trying to make rather than an actual demand. 327 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's absolutely right. So the latest information we have 328 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 2: is that the UAW is asking for a thirty six 329 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 2: percent wage increase. That's down slightly from the forty percent 330 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 2: figure that they initially were targeting. There, the reinstatement of 331 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 2: pensions for all members, revised retirement benefits, a thirty two 332 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 2: hour work week, a four day work week. Yes, those 333 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 2: sound like big demands and they are again. UAW President 334 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 2: Sean Fain does not shy away from that. He calls 335 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 2: their demands audacious and ambitious. But their whole argument here 336 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 2: the UAW is that in the year since the Great Recession, 337 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 2: the big three American automakers, meaning General Motors, Ford, and Stilantis, 338 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 2: have seen skyrocketing profits in Shawn Fame for It's they're 339 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 2: rolling in the money and the blue collar American workers, 340 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 2: the union members, have not seen their wages go up 341 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 2: in correspondence with that profitability from the top. That's their argument. Now, 342 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 2: it's worth mentioning that the automakers say that they need 343 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 2: this extra money to speed the transition to electric vehicles. 344 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 2: The cars that are behind me right now are electric vehicles. 345 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 2: There's this big electric vehicle test tracks that they've set 346 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 2: up here, and those cars are really complex to build. 347 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 2: A lot of automakers are pouring tens of billions of 348 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 2: dollars into making this transition, and the automakers say they're 349 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 2: going to need that money if this is going to 350 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 2: happen by twenty thirty five, which is what various world 351 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 2: governments have legislated, is going to need to be the 352 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 2: year that we make the jump over to electric vehicles. 353 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 2: So there many of the considerations that they're having right now. 354 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: There has to be some concern mic over from the 355 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: unions that there may be plants that close, not assembly 356 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: plants necessarily plants that make the parts for internal combustion 357 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 1: engines that are going to be shuttered simply because of 358 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: the transition to electric Is that part of the contention here. 359 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's estimated that between twenty and thirty percent 360 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 2: less labor is required to build an electric car. They are, 361 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 2: from a purely mechanical point of view, less complex than 362 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 2: a gas powered car. That's not to say that they're 363 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 2: not very sophisticated in high tech, but when it comes 364 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 2: to the moving parts, the component tree of electric vehicles, 365 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 2: there's just less of it. And obviously that is a 366 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 2: concern for a union that is built on having people 367 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 2: put parts for cars together. So the very nature of 368 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 2: electric vehicles the uawc's as a threat to their very 369 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 2: existence and to the continued profitability of their members, And 370 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 2: that's kind of hanging over all this discussion as well. 371 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 2: Another part of this too, that I know is also 372 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 2: worth considering is that the automakers are making the argument 373 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 2: that they have to remain competitive against car makers that 374 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 2: don't use union labor force. It's the car that just 375 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 2: drove by me right now, is a Tesla. Tesla does 376 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 2: not employ union workers, and the Big three say that 377 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 2: if they are to a seede to the uaw's demands, 378 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 2: they're not going to be competitive. They're just not going 379 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 2: to be profitable when that's the competition that's out there. 380 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 2: So you know, again a lot of different considerations to 381 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 2: weigh as these hours stick down. 382 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 1: We saw another threatened strike just last month, and that 383 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: had to do with the teamsters at UPS, but that 384 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: was sort of an eleventh hour save. If you were 385 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: an odds maker, what would you say, as far as 386 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: odds go, are we going to see an eleventh hour 387 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: save on this one? 388 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 2: Well, I'll say this. At ten PM tonight, Sean sayin 389 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 2: UAW president is going to hop on another live stream 390 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,959 Speaker 2: and announce the first round of local unions that are 391 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 2: going to walk off the job. Right again, not everybody's 392 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 2: going to walk off at once. It doesn't seem like 393 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 2: he's going to announce specifically who is in structed to 394 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 2: walk off the job. That's two hours before the contract expires. 395 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 2: That is the potential to tighten the screws on the 396 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 2: automakers as they enter that the negotiations and sort of 397 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 2: final minutes. Whether that will make any difference, I think 398 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 2: remains to be seen. A lot of it is up 399 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 2: in the air, and a lot of this is happening 400 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 2: behind closed doors. It's worth mentioning too, a lot of 401 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 2: this negotiation happened at the headquarters of all of these 402 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 2: automakers here in Detroit, but in recent days we learned 403 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 2: that the negotiations are actually happening at UAW headquarters, so 404 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 2: Sean Fain doesn't have to be in three places at once. 405 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 2: So a lot of it's still out in the area. 406 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 2: It's going to be really fascinating to watch. 407 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is fascinating, and I'm just wondering if this 408 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: means are we going to see an evolution toward electric 409 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 1: faster or does it slow down the evolution toward electric vehicles. 410 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: And obviously we've got deadlines set here in California as well. 411 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely again. You know, the question of electric 412 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 2: vehicles in some ways is inevitable. Right, Both California and 413 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 2: the European Union of legislated that twenty thirty five year 414 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 2: be the last year you sell new gas powered cars, 415 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 2: which means that they're going to have to be powered 416 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 2: by something else. You know, there are hydrogen powered cars 417 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 2: out there, there are cars powered by other alternative methods, 418 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 2: but electric power is the predominant one, and that's kind 419 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 2: of just how it needs to be. So there's a 420 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 2: part of this where the carmaker's hands are being forced 421 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 2: to comply with that based on the development cycles and 422 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 2: how long it takes to build a new car, especially 423 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 2: a car that uses a form of propulsion that we're 424 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 2: not used to. But again, yeah, it's a really fascinating 425 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 2: time to be following the car market because just so 426 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 2: much is happening right now. 427 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: Mike Debuski is our ABC News Tech reporter. He's in 428 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: Detroit at the Auto Show. Mike, thank you so much 429 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 1: for your time today. A pleasure catching up with you. 430 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: Speaking of catching up, uh, you bet. Speaking of catching up, 431 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: they've been taking almost two weeks. It took them to 432 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: try to catch up to this guy who just shimming 433 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 1: his way over some razor wire that takes gonads. Next, 434 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: I'm Chris Merrill kf I AM six forty. We're live 435 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: everywhere in your iHeartRadio app. 436 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 437 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 4: AM sixty. 438 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,479 Speaker 1: In for John and Ken today, pledsure pleasure up and 439 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 1: down being with you. I was just talking about all 440 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: the different strikes that are going on and what a 441 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: mess that's kind of playing out to be every time 442 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: and again, it's nice to have a distraction. And one 443 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: thing that captivates us better than just about anything else, 444 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: aside from maybe missing white women, is when you have 445 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: an escape convict on the run. Boy, we are just wrapped, 446 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: aren't we? 447 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 7: Wait? 448 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: Just focus? Oh did they get him? What's the latest? 449 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: What's happening now? And there was something going on in 450 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania that seemed strange. Not only did the guy escape, 451 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: the story took a lot of those weird twists and turns. Now, Debra, 452 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: maybe you remember some other escape stories that were fun 453 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: to follow, like when you got the escapees are running 454 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: away because a guard fell in love with them. 455 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I remember that one. 456 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, weren't there two of those? There was? Wasn't there? 457 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: There was the one in upstate New York where the 458 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 1: guard fell in love and two guys got out. And 459 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: then wasn't there one out of Alabama or Arkansas, one 460 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: of the southern A states, And I thought that was 461 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: a deal where the guard fell in love too. I 462 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: don't remember the exact detals. Anyway, This one in Pennsylvania 463 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,959 Speaker 1: was curious because the guy he kind of shimmied up 464 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: this wall and then he was able to get through 465 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 1: razor wire, two sets of razor wire on fences. And 466 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: I found this to be astonishing. I was talking with 467 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: Andrew Caravella, who's one of our news anchors. And Andrews said, well, 468 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: maybe it's because he's a little fella, and I said, well, 469 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: what do you mean by that? And he really he 470 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: pointed out that little fellas are very acrobatic. That's it, 471 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: you know, that makes good sense. You ever see Oceans eleven? Right, yeah, 472 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 1: they got the old fella is the acrobatic guy. 473 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 6: This guy's what he's five feet right, Yeah. 474 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: He's very short, he's very slight. And so I think 475 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 1: Andrew was basically proposing that the guy was able to 476 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: just Simon Biles his way up and around the fencing. 477 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: That's pretty great. 478 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 479 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: I always thought those gymnasts would be really good at, 480 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,239 Speaker 1: you know, covert operations, because they can just you ever 481 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: see those flips where they end up like fifteen feet 482 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: up in the air. 483 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 6: Yeah, but they practice a lot. 484 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well if you're yeah, well that's special ops. You know, 485 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: you gotta practice right, So they found this dude. They 486 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: caught him yesterday, and the cops in the Keystone State, 487 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 1: which were acting like Keystone cops, were telling to everybody 488 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: all along, don't worry. He's gonna get tired and when 489 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: he gets tired, then he'll make a mistake. But we 490 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 1: won't get tired. And then it started raining and they said, well, 491 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: there's a lot of rain, so we're gonna stop searching 492 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: for tonight. That sort of thing happened constantly. It was 493 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: it was wonderful. He just kept saying, Ah, he'll get 494 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: tired and come back to us. He doesn't worked that way. Well, 495 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: finally they get a break and this was ABC News 496 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: was telling us exactly how they got the guy and 497 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 1: then what he said after they captured him. 498 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 8: This morning. Convicted killer danilokval Kante back behind bars now 499 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 8: in a maximum security facility, two weeks after breaking out 500 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 8: of prison in Pennsylvania. 501 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 1: I always love the very serious newscasters. I'm going to 502 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: tell you the story in a very driving manner. 503 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:29,479 Speaker 6: You want me to do that? 504 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:30,360 Speaker 2: Yeah? 505 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: Will you do that? 506 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 6: Sure? 507 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: From the KFI news room, here's the information you have 508 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: to have. Love it. 509 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 8: Our nightmare is finally over and the good guys won. 510 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 8: The man hunt coming to an intense conclusion early Wednesday morning. 511 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 8: Cavalcante seen in that stolen Eagle sweatshirt. 512 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: Just ah, he's an Eagles fan, or at least he 513 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: was when he was stealing the shirt. I mean, listen, 514 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 1: if I escaped and I was on the run, and 515 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: I ran across like an Ohio State Buckeye sweatshirt, I 516 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 1: would just not steal it. I go, I won't even 517 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 1: be caught wearing that. Well, while I'm trying to survive, 518 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: You're not gonna catch me in a Buckeye sweatsheet. It 519 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 1: won't happen. So for the guy who is at least 520 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 1: okay with the Eagles. 521 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 8: Described by authorities as wet and weathered, the thirty four 522 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 8: year old detailing his survival in a four hour interview 523 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 8: with authorities. 524 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: A wet and weathered thirty four year old, I think 525 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: I've met a few of those. After nine pm at 526 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: a hotel. 527 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 7: Barn, he did sail on three occasions. Law enforcement officers 528 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 7: did almost step on him. He also told us. 529 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: What a minute, what officers did? 530 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 2: What? 531 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 7: Now almost step on him? 532 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so they just they almost. 533 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 5: Walked on him because he's so little and he was 534 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 5: hiding in thick brush. 535 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 6: They almost almost stepped on him. 536 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is like the ultimate game of hide and seek. 537 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: How nervous do you think? 538 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 2: He was? 539 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 6: Oh my god, can you imagine, Oh my goodness, it's. 540 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 2: Like they get me. 541 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: They're gona get me, They're gonna get me. But then 542 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: they almost stepped on him and walked away, and he thought, wow, 543 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: I can't do that either, because I get gassy. 544 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 7: He also told us that he survived by eating watermelon 545 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 7: the first couple of days. He stated he intended to 546 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 7: carjack somebody in the next twenty four hours. 547 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: Oh wow, I mean that's a good thing. They got 548 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: to know somebody was about to get held a gunpoint right. 549 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 7: And that he was going to head north to Canada 550 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 7: or try to get out of the United States. 551 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: And okay, he was gonna head north to Canada. Dude, 552 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: don't go to Canada. Everybody knows you go to Mexico. 553 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: Everybody knows. That. Unbelievable. All right, back to the officer 554 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: who's giving us the update. 555 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 7: Here, or try to get out of the United States 556 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 7: and head back to Puerto Rico. 557 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: Hold on now, hey, hang on there he was going 558 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: to try to do what now. 559 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 7: Or try to get out of the United States and 560 00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 7: head back to Puerto Rico. 561 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: All right, this is once again, this is where our 562 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: education system is fail less. And this is why I 563 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: never really trusted the sheriff's there in that county in Philadelphia, 564 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania, because you know, they were sure that he 565 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,719 Speaker 1: was going to get tired. They were sure that they 566 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: had him boxed into a certain search area. Come to 567 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: find out, the guy had stolen a dairy truck and 568 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: driven thirty miles away. And now he says that he's 569 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: going to get out of the United States and go 570 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: to Puerto Rico. We're just we're not bright ante, And 571 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: once again I've got to hear this again. 572 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 7: Try to get out of the United States and head 573 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 7: back to Puerto Rico. 574 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: I think they met Portugal, that's where he was. Excuse me, 575 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: not Portugal, was it Brazil where he was originally Brazil. 576 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: But instead he says he's going to get out of 577 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: the United States and go to back to Puerto Rico, 578 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: which is part of the United States. 579 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 6: Well, you know they're exhausted from trying to catch this guy. 580 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 5: You know, their brains are just not functioning at a 581 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 5: hundred percent, right. 582 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, somehow the escapee was still functioning. Maybe they need 583 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: more watermelon in their diets and then they'll be able 584 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: to keep up with the guy. Good night, all right, 585 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: we'll get the latest on what's happening with COVID in 586 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: La County. That is next on Chris Maryland And for 587 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: John and kN k if I AM six Forting, we're 588 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: live everywhere on your iHeartRadio app. 589 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 2: Hey, you've been listening to the John and Ken Show. 590 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 7: You can always hear us live on KFI AM six 591 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 7: forty one pm to four pm every Monday through Friday, 592 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 7: and of course anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.