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Speaker 1: Welcome a Point Game with John Wall and CJ. Toldono,

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Speaker 1: to the game we all love. The crown is yours. Now.

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Speaker 1: Coming up on today's episode, we will have one of

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Speaker 1: John's favorite Wizards teammates ever, the Polish Hammer Ladies and

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Speaker 1: Gentlemen Marching Gretat is going to be joining us here

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Speaker 1: on Point Game. But first we got to talk to

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Speaker 1: John here about the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: John, how you feeling, man, I'm great, man, I'm great.

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Speaker 2: Happy to be back for another episode of playoffs are

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Speaker 2: being fired. A lot of a lot of good basketball, man.

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Speaker 2: I've been locked in, man.

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Speaker 1: So I feel like some of the series are are

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Speaker 1: you getting heated? And some of them are We're solved

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Speaker 1: pretty quickly. I'm talking about the Suns Timberwolves. Last night,

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Speaker 1: the Suns got swept by the Minnesota Timberwolves. I just

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Speaker 1: want to ask you what are your some of your

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Speaker 1: first reactions from that series and jumping ahead, do you

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Speaker 1: think the Timberwolves, potentially who will potentially play the Nuggets,

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Speaker 1: do you think they will do the same thing against them.

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Speaker 2: Uh No, I think it'll be a heck of a

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Speaker 2: serious To be honest, I thought this was gonna be

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Speaker 2: a great series, you know what I mean. I didn't

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Speaker 2: think it was gonna be a sweep at all. Shout

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Speaker 2: out to Tim Woods and their coach, and I hope

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Speaker 2: he has a speed of recovery and a successful surgery.

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Speaker 2: But like it goes back to like beating the team

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Speaker 2: so many times in the regular season doesn't mean thing.

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Speaker 3: You.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Denver loss, uh, Phoenix beat Minnesota, Phoenix be

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Speaker 2: Minnesota three times three zero don't matter you. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you make those adjustments, you save your game plans, whatever

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Speaker 2: you have for your team going into the playoffs. You know,

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Speaker 2: I felt like they just was they was more hunger

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Speaker 2: and like they wanted it, you know. I mean like

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Speaker 2: at third quarter every game it was close, Like Phoenix

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Speaker 2: had leads, they was in the game, but a third

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Speaker 2: quarter of Minnesota just went to another level and shout

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Speaker 2: out man man. Shout out to say their whole team,

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Speaker 2: but shout the man man. He's very special. Like I

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Speaker 2: said before, he brings the old school dog and mentality

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Speaker 2: into the new school. How it is competing at a

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Speaker 2: he had that Killerings team.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: You know me he only had nine points in the

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Speaker 2: first half, shooting the ball bad, and you know he

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Speaker 2: I mean, so they have forty on the close out game.

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Speaker 2: I did that before, so I know that feet special.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think we're going to see a lot

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Speaker 1: more Timberwolves in this in these playoffs. What I did

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Speaker 1: want to talk about because a lot of people are surprised,

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Speaker 1: but the Sons not even be able to get one game,

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Speaker 1: and you know they have a lot on their roster,

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Speaker 1: right and you can't just trade these guys immediately. I

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Speaker 1: think what I'm seeing, you know, reports of potentially Vogel

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Speaker 2: Huh, It's tough, man, because you went and you got

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Speaker 2: so much money tied him too, your three main guys,

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Speaker 2: and don't also forget Grace Allen just got paid for

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Speaker 2: For me, I always said it. I mean, and not

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Speaker 2: mean you got enough shooters out there they started double team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, real quickly. You know, with Vogel, do you think

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Speaker 2: Ah? I really don't know, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: kind of hard to say because, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: Deep Book is out of lineup a lot, Brad's out

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Speaker 2: he might look at it's like, well, what adjustment did

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Speaker 2: with a team like that? So I feel like they might.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, it's gonna be hard to try to move

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Speaker 2: one of those guys, you know, I mean, like Deep Books,

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Speaker 2: get rid of him. It was like KD came there.

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Speaker 2: you feel Brad in there too. It's like, okay, we

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Speaker 2: kind of was frustrating for him. You look at him

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Speaker 2: last night being in foul trouble not really finding the rhythm.

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Speaker 2: That kind of was frustrated for I mean, those big games.

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Speaker 2: He wants to play well in those moments, Like anybody does.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Fortunately, Okay, moving on to another series, exciting series. The

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Speaker 1: MAVs and Clippers tied up to two. What are you

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Speaker 1: I think we've seen him, and Kawhi has been out

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Speaker 2: I still got the MAVs coming out of it, but

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Speaker 2: I think they just I think he's just different, you know.

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Speaker 2: it kind of stack of their offense because you watched

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Speaker 2: the first game, there was a lot of pace, a

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Speaker 2: lot of ice over between Paul Jordan, James taking their turns,

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Speaker 2: When he came back game two, they paced kind of

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Speaker 2: And then I think game three was the same way.

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Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing for both teams is they

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Speaker 2: Luke was playing okay, deepense throughout the whole playoffs so far,

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Do you think we were just talking about the Suns

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Speaker 1: you think that this kind of gives I don't know,

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Speaker 2: I was just having this conversation. I was like, for me,

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Speaker 2: kind of like not enough shots out there, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean. But if you got a guy, your

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Speaker 2: Brad's looking at getting twenty twenty two shots of game,

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Speaker 2: the books looking at getting twenty two shots of game.

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Speaker 2: Then you have Katie that's getting twenty to twenty five

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, we talked about role players a lot on this.

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Speaker 1: You know, it seems like everyone's always trying to figure

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Speaker 1: But we're watching the Nuggets dominant. We're watching I guess

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Speaker 1: All this is just leading up to an interesting offseason.

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Speaker 1: All right, when we come back here on Point game,

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Speaker 1: Marching Gort Todd will be here on Point. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to Point game with John Wallace. You get Toldonno presented

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Speaker 1: by DraftKings. We are now joined by John's former teammate,

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Speaker 1: the man who played three hundred and eighty seven games

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Speaker 1: with him, the Polish Hammer, Marching Gor Todd, Marching. How

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Speaker 3: Good? How are you guys?

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Speaker 3: I'm in Poland? Right now, I'm in my city, Wooch,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we were talking about a little bit. I don't

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Speaker 3: So I'm doing I'm going to try to do a

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Speaker 2: Congratulations, Yeah, my brother, thank you for joining us all

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Speaker 3: You know what. Uh, it's been, it's been. It's been weird.

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Speaker 3: in the team. They're allowing them to do a lot

431
00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,639
Speaker 3: of things and they not they should earn it first.

432
00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:47,560
Speaker 3: That's one two.

433
00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:48,600
Speaker 2: Uh.

434
00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:51,440
Speaker 3: You know, if you want to build the culture and

435
00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,400
Speaker 3: the team, I mean you got to act a certain way.

436
00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,680
Speaker 3: You know you can do you can do different. I

437
00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,679
Speaker 3: mean again, like I'm going to give example of you know,

438
00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,679
Speaker 3: and Tony Edwards recently in the in the in the

439
00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,679
Speaker 3: playoff game. I mean, I understand he's a beast, I

440
00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,639
Speaker 3: completely do. I mean, he's unbelievable, but you know, the

441
00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,560
Speaker 3: sign thing that he did, Like, come on, man, I mean,

442
00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,199
Speaker 3: if a guy like that is doing a move like that,

443
00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,439
Speaker 3: what do you think is gonna happen with the new

444
00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:22,720
Speaker 3: kids coming into this league? You know, I mean as

445
00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,240
Speaker 3: crazy Ills or as crazy John Walls. He never done that,

446
00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,080
Speaker 3: you know, and we had enough, we had enough freaking

447
00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,800
Speaker 3: brain in our head that we will never do stuff

448
00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,840
Speaker 3: like that, you know. We Hey listen, we were first

449
00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,600
Speaker 3: to flax. I probably shouldn't. I mean, sure, yeah, we

450
00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,000
Speaker 3: were definitely flex But come on, man, you can't you know,

451
00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,040
Speaker 3: if you're allow him got to do. If you're allowing

452
00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,000
Speaker 3: a guy do stuff like that, I mean, what do

453
00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:48,320
Speaker 3: you expect that? You know?

454
00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you said, I think you said. I think

455
00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,720
Speaker 2: just now, it's like it's a lot different. I always

456
00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,880
Speaker 2: say this, and I never take away from the young

457
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,639
Speaker 2: guy and they's super talent. You I mean, he's just

458
00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,359
Speaker 2: so much different from the game. I felt like, even

459
00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,359
Speaker 2: if you didn't want to to play no more after that.

460
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,280
Speaker 2: I think you should have finished the year off, you know,

461
00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,000
Speaker 2: I mean, or you should have got one more chance

462
00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,280
Speaker 2: at it. But it's like they just started to spend

463
00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,760
Speaker 2: the league so much. If you're not shooting threes or

464
00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,000
Speaker 2: have a great back to the basket game, they don't

465
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,639
Speaker 2: want you in the league no more. Like I remember

466
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,879
Speaker 2: I got traded from Indiana, went to the Lakers. I'm like,

467
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,520
Speaker 2: he just won defensive played the year he played like

468
00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 2: one or two years he was out of it. So

469
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:23,960
Speaker 2: the league is changing.

470
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's going. It's it's unbelievable. I mean

471
00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 3: you have little le right now. I mean, center position

472
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,639
Speaker 3: basically in the NBA doesn't exist. I mean you have

473
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,160
Speaker 3: I mean you have three freaking centers. You have three

474
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:42,040
Speaker 3: four so you have yolk each and beat h towns

475
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 3: and town towns is a force.

476
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 2: So you really like the bonus or that's it, like

477
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,800
Speaker 2: the town town's playing the four.

478
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,639
Speaker 3: So you know, but John, you know, Luvis just like

479
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,959
Speaker 3: forty years old, he's about to be dune, you know.

480
00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 3: So you got literally you got literally like three dudes

481
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,959
Speaker 3: in the league and the rest of them is just

482
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,119
Speaker 3: filling out the spot of the center of the center spot.

483
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 3: You know, like these dudes don't exist in the team.

484
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 3: They are not even they don't even know how to

485
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,639
Speaker 3: freaking set a screen though. I mean, you got only

486
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 3: you got. You don't have, you don't have, you don't

487
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 3: have what we had back in the day. I mean,

488
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, it was me and Nana and then you

489
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:28,360
Speaker 3: gotta go one night you gotta go jocking Noah, Carlos Boozer.

490
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 3: Then next night you go, you know, Zach Randolph, Mark Gasol.

491
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:33,919
Speaker 3: You know, then you have all of a sudden, Lakers

492
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,640
Speaker 3: coming in with Paul Gasol and you know, another right

493
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 3: and another big like you had teams that you had,

494
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,119
Speaker 3: teams that had two good big man's you know. Now,

495
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 3: oh yeah, it's a it's a guards league right now,

496
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 3: definitely guards league.

497
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,640
Speaker 2: So you recently said, follow the inview about our team.

498
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,240
Speaker 2: We had so many weapons. Brad, me, you on the

499
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,159
Speaker 2: pick and roll, and nada on the inside. You guys,

500
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 2: Me and Brad run the show. I want you to

501
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 2: spend it a lot more like just talking about.

502
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 3: Oh man, I'm thinking about that, you know, every every

503
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 3: couple of weeks, every couple of months, every time when

504
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 3: I'm watching NBA. I'm thinking about us, man. We I

505
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 3: think we had a special team. I think we really

506
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 3: had a good special team. We were just so freaking unlucky. Man,

507
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 3: I swear got, we were just so freaking unlucky. The

508
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 3: one year, if you won't break your hands into a

509
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 3: freaking ten freaking pieces, we would be in the NBA finals.

510
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 3: I swear got. We had everything that we needed to

511
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:39,120
Speaker 3: be in NBA. Obviously in THEBA Finals, then you got

512
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,679
Speaker 3: to play the best basketball of your life. But again,

513
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 3: you know your hand one year, second year, I think

514
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 3: we maybe were missing extra you know, extra role player

515
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,120
Speaker 3: of the bench coming off the bench, maybe extra additional

516
00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 3: player of the bench. You know. Overall, maybe we could

517
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,199
Speaker 3: just just just just play this one each one of

518
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 3: us in the starting lineup, if we could just maybe

519
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 3: one or two percent play better, we also would you know,

520
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 3: get this extra win maybe, you know. But the bottom

521
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 3: line is we had a great team. We had a

522
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 3: great team, and it's it's crazy. I don't want to

523
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 3: throw anybody under the bus, but you know me, John Brett,

524
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 3: we we talk about this in the off seasons and

525
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 3: we always wanted like, hey, bring somebody on the board

526
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 3: that's going to help us to win, you know. And

527
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 3: I mean then all of a sudden you're gaining I mean,

528
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 3: Drew Nicholson and then you know, Chris Humphreys. I mean,

529
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,679
Speaker 3: I love these boys, not the same, You're wrong. I

530
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 3: love them, but come on, man, these guys are not

531
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 3: gonna take us to the NBA Championship, you know. And

532
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 3: then we brought Paul Pierce. I think that that was

533
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 3: a great move. I wish we could have maybe another

534
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 3: year with him, but then obviously he went to LA

535
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 3: So we did have a great team. Uh you know,

536
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 3: injuries were the one point, the one you know problem.

537
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 3: And then I will say also, you know, with as

538
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 3: crazy as it sound, you know, I was I couldn't

539
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 3: There was a time I couldn't stand with I mean,

540
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 3: was driving me nuts. He was driving. He was driving

541
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 3: John probably nots even twice or three times even more

542
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 3: than me. But he was a great coach. He was

543
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 3: really good coach man. He was really really good coach,

544
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 3: and he knew what to do with us, how to

545
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 3: get us ready for the game and how to get

546
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 3: us ready for playoffs. If we could take that pressure

547
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 3: from him, where basically he was sitting constantly on a

548
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 3: hot seat, like everybody were mentioning, like, oh dude, you're

549
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 3: gonna be fired. You're gonna be fired. You're gonna be fired.

550
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 3: So if we could take that pressure of him and

551
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 3: let him work and give him maybe another year, maybe

552
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 3: another year, Oh man, I don't know, maybe we would

553
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 3: be in the NBA Finals. Who know.

554
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I messed coach Randy with me.

555
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 3: Man.

556
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just was like you said, every time, like

557
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 2: every year, no matter what we did, like we might

558
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 2: start off bad, we have a team meeting, figure it out.

559
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 2: But he's like he was always on the hot seat,

560
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 2: like no matter how good we was doing and we

561
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 2: won ten in a row, whatever, He's like, Randy, women,

562
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 2: you might get fired after this game, or you might

563
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 2: get fired at that, And it's like you try to

564
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 2: take the pressure off from as much as possible, but

565
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 2: it's like it's still tough because in the back of

566
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,959
Speaker 2: your mind, how can I advance my team and how

567
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 2: can I really coach my team or what I want?

568
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 3: Right?

569
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 2: I have to be dealing with this all the time.

570
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,239
Speaker 3: So yeah, he was.

571
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 2: He was getting a lot of fun though. We had

572
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 2: a lot of fun.

573
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 3: I mean, John, I mean, I mean, think about it,

574
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 3: we were in the playing and we didn't even care

575
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 3: who we're gonna play next because they had to worry

576
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 3: about us. Like they had to worry about us, like

577
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 3: we obviously we were getting ready for big games, you know,

578
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 3: either Bob Boston or you know back then in Chicago. Yeah,

579
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 3: we were getting ready for them. But like for most

580
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 3: of the games, they had to worry about us. Man,

581
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 3: Like we we we were sitting in the plane and like, okay,

582
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 3: what what what are we like ten plus plus ten

583
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 3: wins in the world. Okay, cool, you know, you know

584
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 3: we lost one? Are we going to get another ten? Now?

585
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 2: You know? So?

586
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, we we we were very good, uh, well oiled machine.

587
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 3: You know.

588
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 2: We were just thinking really so well balanced, you know,

589
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 2: I mean having you and down there having the trail

590
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: or having Paul and then me and Brad. I think

591
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 2: we just had a well great balanced team, you know.

592
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 2: I mean, and one thing I said about it, like

593
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 2: we had commodity. We had fun. Like a lot of

594
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 2: teams don't do that, Like they don't hang out together.

595
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 2: They didn't do stuff together. And you can tell which

596
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: teams do because they do. They always clicking when you're

597
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 2: going the court, like even if we got off to

598
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 2: a sluggage start. We knew what to do to turn out,

599
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 2: we knew what play to go to. It was just

600
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: all about making shots and mission shots. So competing on

601
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: our level for us, that was it.

602
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 3: And you know, just playing together for so long, we

603
00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 3: we really developed incredible chemistry. You know. I mean obviously

604
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 3: the screens that we we can we came up. Yeah,

605
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 3: you know what I mentioned. Obviously, right after he said that,

606
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 3: I had like twenty phone calls from Polish media. I

607
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 3: was like, aren't you excited Lebron James spoke about you.

608
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 3: I was like, listen, man, I hope he was speaking

609
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 3: about me like that when I was setting screens on

610
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 3: him because last time I was last time, I remember

611
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 3: he was crying, you know, crying to the ref that

612
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 3: I was setting, you know, moving screens. You know everybody, right,

613
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 3: but listen, uh, you know, you gotta play. You got

614
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 3: to play together, you know, one hundred two hundred, two

615
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty games in order to develop that chemistry,

616
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 3: you know. And and I remember exactly, I remember exactly

617
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 3: when we came up with that move. It was New York.

618
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 3: I remember exactly. I told John. I said, John, just

619
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 3: look what I'm going to do. Come off my back.

620
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 3: You're going to see I'm going to set a screen

621
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 3: on my guy. And and John was just reading. And

622
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 3: again later on, I'm going to LA and I'm saying, shade.

623
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 3: Did you see what I was doing with John?

624
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah?

625
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, unbelievable, unbelievable. I'm like, all right, shake you think

626
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 3: you can do the same things, like, yeah, yeah, I'm

627
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 3: gonna do it. Man, Listen, I've been doing this thing

628
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 3: for like five months. Man. This guy couldn't do even

629
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 3: one time. Man, not even one time. I said, listen, man,

630
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 3: I said, you need you. It looks like you have

631
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 3: the frame. I mean you don't have John frame. But

632
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 3: you know, John could post up people and and and

633
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 3: defense centers on the post. But you know, but I mean,

634
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 3: you still have big body, Shade. You should be able

635
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 3: to do that. But nah. He wasn't not even.

636
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 2: Telling somebody before. It's like, even when we was running

637
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: pick and roll, or I would drive or in transition,

638
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: I knew it. I knew every movie he was doing.

639
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 2: He's stilling in transition all over top. If I'm driving,

640
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 2: I might throw a shovel pass. Like I told you, you

641
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 2: might not be the most athletic guy, but you had

642
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 2: the best finish, all the finishes like a guard reverse

643
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: this reverse death.

644
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 3: Right. So it was easy to me.

645
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: I was getting seventy six, sixty seven and six a game.

646
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 3: I was cool, easily, right, I was and and and

647
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 3: everybody was saying, you know, I remember when people were like, oh,

648
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 3: can you dunk the ball? Said listen, I don't have

649
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 3: to dunk the ball. I mean, of course, if there's

650
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 3: gonna be opportunity, I will, but listen, every bucket is

651
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 3: two points.

652
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: Sometimes when you got mad or it was a big play,

653
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: you had the Polish hammer come out like Atlanta Series.

654
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 3: Of course, hell yeah, but I mean come on, yeah,

655
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 3: we had yeah. Yeah. It's it's like I said, it's

656
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 3: a unbelievable time. Unbelievable time in Washington and and just

657
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 3: being in the city. We and honestly, we had a

658
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 3: good crowd. We had a good crowd. Uh, it was

659
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 3: a late crowd. I would say.

660
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 2: Every time they were coming right.

661
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 3: Like end of the first quarter, that's showing up the arena.

662
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 3: I was like, come on, man, we're already bowling here.

663
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 3: Come on, it's already plus twenty for us. Man, where

664
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 3: you at? You know, but yeah, we had a good crowd.

665
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 3: We had a good crowd. We had a lot of

666
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 3: good fans, and uh, great city. I mean what else

667
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 3: you need? You know, what else do you need an NBA?

668
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 3: I mean you have a great you know, great team,

669
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 3: good city, good crowd. I mean, shit, you just you

670
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 3: just got a ball and bring bring the results.

671
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: You know, Marchie, you brought up you know at playing

672
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: with SGA. You know, you played with him earlier in

673
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: his career, but like you went from Steve Nash to John.

674
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,959
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about that transition. Was there anything

675
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: that you sort of like learned or like, you know,

676
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: interacted with with Steve And you're like, hey, John, I

677
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: was doing this with Steve, Like did you take anything

678
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: from that Sun's time to John with the Wizards.

679
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 3: Well, let's be honest. I came to songs when I

680
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 3: was kind of on the race. I was kind of

681
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 3: like getting the first minutes as a starter. So that

682
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 3: was the first time I was actually playing the starter minutes.

683
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 3: And playing with Steve was great, But I think the

684
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 3: best me was with John. The best me was with John,

685
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:01,719
Speaker 3: and the best was when we are winning fifty two

686
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 3: fifty five games. A season, that's bottom line. You know,

687
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 3: Steve was playing on one pace. I mean, don't time

688
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 3: me wrong, He's a great player, But Steve was playing

689
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 3: on one pace. John had like three different paces, you know.

690
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 3: I mean when John had when there was there was

691
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 3: the slow pace, fast paced, and it was John pace

692
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 3: and nobody nobody can catch John. You know, when he

693
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 3: take off in the break, I'm like, fuck it, I'm

694
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 3: just gonna stay. I'm not going even around because there's

695
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 3: no need to run, you know. And then obviously, you know,

696
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 3: it was great to see, you know, it was great

697
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 3: to see Steve giving those crazy passes, half court passes

698
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 3: and all kinds of different passes. But you know, seeing

699
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 3: John and the full speed, seeing John dunking on people.

700
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 3: And one thing I told John that, uh, one thing

701
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 3: I haven't seen with Steve was he had to compete

702
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:01,719
Speaker 3: against Russell Westbrook and his prime, Kyrie and his prime,

703
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 3: Derry Crows and his prime. I mean, you literally had

704
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 3: every second game, you had a top point guard Chris

705
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 3: Paul in his prime. You had a top point guard

706
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 3: coming into the building and bowling right and staff right

707
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 3: coming into the building and bowling, and John had to

708
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 3: guard him. You know, I obviously I had every fifth,

709
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: sixth game. I had a big man that I had

710
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 3: to guard, you know, and you know, the Marcus was

711
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 3: coming in. Oh Jesus freaking Christ. I mean the Marcus.

712
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 3: You know, the first minute he wants to kick my

713
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 3: ass and he wants to beat me up. I was like, cuz,

714
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 3: come on, man, like, because I'm not afraid of you, man,

715
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 3: like I've been in this league longer than you. Come on,

716
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 3: don't preat me like I'm not afraid. You know, Let's

717
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 3: just play basketball, and then he will kick my ass

718
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: in the basketball. So you know, I had every five

719
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 3: six games, I had a tough opponent to the but

720
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 3: John had every second game. And uh, I told him that.

721
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 3: I think it was off the Chicago game where I

722
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 3: was like, John, I admire what you're doing, because there

723
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 3: was I mean, basically, he gave everything he had and

724
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 3: I was a witness of that. Uh, defending d Rose

725
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 3: and then going offense, playing offense. Come on, man, this

726
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 3: is this is insane. Man.

727
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: That's what I was saying. I'm glad you spoke on

728
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 2: that because I was saying that before. And I don't

729
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 2: take nothing away from these guys. But I'm like, it

730
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: was no ducking, no smoke, Bro, Like I couldn't go

731
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 2: guard the small ford, I couldn't go guard the power forward,

732
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 2: the shooting guard, like this is my matchup. But I

733
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: also had to be the guy that run my team,

734
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 2: make sure everybody's getting their shots when they needed, be

735
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: a score when they needed me to so. And I

736
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 2: always asked gard Tal when he first got them, like, Bro,

737
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: what you learned from Steve nas Like I need something

738
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: like because I never played with a big dab knew

739
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 2: how to run, pick and roll away he did so,

740
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: Like I said, once I got to that point and

741
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 2: got learning to knocking down me ray jumpshoy, everything became

742
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: easy because I can make every pass the guardtop I

743
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: had on the winning brad on the wind and had

744
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 2: Nan and they been a bruiser for us. So it

745
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: was so perfect. But Bro, I mean, we memberies in

746
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: DC and I'm chasing Stephand and I'm like, god damn, Like, Bro,

747
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 2: I'm about to be tired because I was mad because

748
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 2: the night before he went over eight from three against

749
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 2: the Knicks, and I said, why do you have to

750
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: do this? Because you know when you come in in

751
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 2: this game he's not missing.

752
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,919
Speaker 3: He's going to be like John. They will not understand

753
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 3: that unless they're gonna guard the guy and they're gonna

754
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 3: put the hand in his's literally faced and he's still

755
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 3: making swishes, you know what I'm saying. All Right, Well,

756
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 3: I was studying right next to you, you and you're

757
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 3: turning around, like, dude, what the fuck you want me

758
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 3: to do?

759
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 2: Sometimes you want me to do like you want me

760
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: to do?

761
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 3: What else will me to do? I mean, Jesus Christ, man, like,

762
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 3: we can build a freaking building right front of this guy,

763
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 3: and this guy's gonna shoot over the building, you know,

764
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 3: I mean it was just yeah, it was just almost impossible.

765
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, Stephan is obviously different than Derrick Crows,

766
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, on Derk Crows, you just gotta

767
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 3: take a step back. You are John, then you can

768
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 3: be close to him because you can catch him. But

769
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 3: you know, uh, you know, on the Ross, the same thing.

770
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 3: You know, you take step back. You rather let him,

771
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 3: you let him shoot, than you know, allow him to

772
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 3: take off and just go hard to the rim, you know,

773
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 3: because obviously he's going to jump over you. But with Steph,

774
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, I mean this is just yeah, insane.

775
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 2: So I go back to twenty fourteen Game five, were

776
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 2: playing the paces It's when to go Home. We both

777
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 2: we both dominated one by twenty three. Like, discuss that

778
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 2: game because I want to hear your mindset and then

779
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you my mindset after word. But that

780
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 2: was a big game for us because like I was

781
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 2: struggling in that series and I feel like we could

782
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 2: have did so much more. But like that's what you

783
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: said early on. It's like we just needed to play

784
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 2: a little percent better and we could have won those series.

785
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 2: And I think that was our first time in the playoffs,

786
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 2: my first time, so it was me trying to learn

787
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 2: and how to manage the game the right way.

788
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 3: So I'm assuming that that that the coach also came

789
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 3: to you and i'll i'll Harrington came to you also

790
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 3: before the game, before the show round and he was

791
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 3: talking to you. So all came to me and he said, hey, man,

792
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 3: we need you. I was like, and I was like,

793
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 3: I'm here, Like I didn't leave anywhere, I didn't go anywhere,

794
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 3: Like what you mean you need me? I said, just

795
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 3: and this is I swear that this is what I said. Ah,

796
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 3: I mean, please just look at the game one game two,

797
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 3: because I didn't get I mean seriously, I had maybe

798
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 3: in the whole game, I had like maybe five to

799
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 3: seven touches, which you know, at that time for me

800
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: was kind of like very low. And I'm not talking

801
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 3: about just post up. I'm basically talking all the shots

802
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 3: during the game. I usually averaged between like ten to

803
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 3: eleven shots, a couple of fancy free bounce, couple putbacks,

804
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 3: a couple you know, garbage balls around. But I had

805
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,439
Speaker 3: about eleven twelve shots and I was averaging like five

806
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 3: six shots in those two games. I was like, oh, seriously,

807
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 3: I mean, just just just pass me the ball. Just

808
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 3: try to give me the ball. Let let me try

809
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 3: to do something, okay, and then if I go all

810
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 3: for ten, then yeah, you can tell me, hey, where

811
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 3: are you? We need you, okay, But right now you

812
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 3: can't tell me we need you if you're giving me

813
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 3: five shots a game. So I told me, like, yeah,

814
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 3: I spoke with with You're gonna get the first play

815
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 3: of the game. It's gonna go to you, and boom,

816
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 3: and I remember John. I probably I'm thinking John had

817
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 3: the same conversation with Al and probably with with I

818
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 3: know John was you were pissed. You were quiet. Uh,

819
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 3: you were quiet, but it wasn't. It wasn't the quiet

820
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 3: because you were mad at me or Bread or anybody

821
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 3: in the team. You were just med. Just you are

822
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 3: mad like over oll yeah, in yourself. Uh, but I was.

823
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 3: I was the same with me, like we were just

824
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 3: met in the situation there we are in and and

825
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 3: then ship that was the night. Yeah, I know we

826
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 3: went off for me for me, you went off for me.

827
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 2: It was like both to me, I'm like, bro, I

828
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 2: cannot make a meat range jump shot to float for

829
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: nothing in my life, this yeraries. I'm so mad. And

830
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 2: then I was also madcause we should have won game two.

831
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 2: We should have went up two. Oh, but we took

832
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: a bad three in transition with a minue and thirty

833
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 2: to go, and I remember we was up three, and

834
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, this is how you learn, like

835
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: time management, slow the pace down. So that game was

836
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: bothered me when I watched it. Then I'm like, bro,

837
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 2: I'm missing so many easy flow to mid rangers. And

838
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 2: then it's like all right, usually we try to give

839
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: you the first one or two possession of the game.

840
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, we got we need Gord top

841
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 2: to screen, we need go out to be ready to play.

842
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 2: We got to give them one of two touches because

843
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 2: outside that you didn't have no plays ran for you.

844
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 2: You just pick and rolls. You get a ceiling transition

845
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: or you get office rebound. So I go into my

846
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: mode where I'm not mad at nobody because nobody fault

847
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 2: with me. I'm playing like shit, I'm like, this is

848
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 2: a bullshit. So I called my mam. I talked to her.

849
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 2: She was like, are you gonna play it there? You

850
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 2: just gonna be out there, and I'm like, I'm playing.

851
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 2: I just can't make no damn shots. So I just

852
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 2: close out as gorda walk in shades on headphones, so

853
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: I don't say nothing to nobody. I go quiet mode

854
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: and we come out and me and Gortal come out there.

855
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 2: We are balling.

856
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 3: We murdered.

857
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: We murdered that, and we should have The other part

858
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 2: is crazy. We should have won Game six. We was

859
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 2: up twenty three, I mean twenty a half. This from

860
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: Paul George came out second half and make like seven

861
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: threes in it in the third quarter.

862
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 3: I mean, this was the series swear because if I'm

863
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 3: not mistaking the round one we beat Chicago. We swept Chicago.

864
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 2: They got suspending game, that's.

865
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 3: Right, but the for hitting with the he smeck with

866
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 3: the Hey genmy Butler. Right, But but then, uh and

867
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 3: I remember Nana. I mean Nana basically killed Boozer. I

868
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:45,479
Speaker 3: mean he was, yeah, he was completely dominated. But then

869
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 3: we went to Indy and David West the West just

870
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 3: went off.

871
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 2: I mean when we stole game one, lost Game two.

872
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: And the guy was just I mean he was playing

873
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 3: like a freaking super he was in New Orleans then, yeah,

874
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 3: and he was no, no, he completely dominated the game.

875
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 3: Uh and and and I think Hibbert was, you know

876
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 3: famous zero zero zero zero zero thirty minutes in the

877
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 3: game when he liked freaking zero. Sood came back to play.

878
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: His coach came to the game because he went to Georgetown,

879
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 2: so they all came into the game, and then he

880
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 2: came through is his best game in the series. But

881
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 2: they was like, man, he's not playing well, he's hurting us.

882
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 2: And I remember though, bro, they had one play that

883
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 2: was as the angle pick and roll picking pop and

884
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: Dave West is shooting the free throw line jump shine.

885
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 2: They had Paul Georgian and out of the corner, I'm like, bro,

886
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 2: you cannot help.

887
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 3: So yeah, that was, uh, that was a game. But

888
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 3: you know, I think it was the That was the

889
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 3: first time we play as a team in playoffs. Yeah,

890
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 3: that was the first year. Yeah, it was the first

891
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 3: year because I remember I sealed the contract with that

892
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 3: with that famous performance and in the I I kind of.

893
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: Like sealed the contract contract anyway throughout the year. We're

894
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: gonna say that because out of the way we was running

895
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 2: picking roll bos like you can't let him go, Like

896
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 2: I need this if you want me to be at

897
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 2: my best, I need a good big that can screen

898
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: and catch my passy.

899
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 3: So and I didn't want to go anywhere else because

900
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 3: I felt comfortable. I knew, I knew what what John

901
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 3: and Brad who they will become, you know, in the

902
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 3: next two three years. So I knew exactly that this

903
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: is the place I want to be. I felt good

904
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 3: in Washington. I think the organization was good, and you know,

905
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 3: and I was like, all right, this is it. Like

906
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 3: I don't want to I don't want to move again

907
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 3: somewhere else, you know. And I get to know people, Yeah,

908
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 3: get to know people, and and I knew right away

909
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 3: that uh there was a that was the right fit

910
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 3: for me. So that that was the first playoffs and

911
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 3: and I think we learned a lot. We went next year,

912
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 3: we went into playoffs. I think, you know completely as

913
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 3: a as a better team. But I think that was

914
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 3: the year when when John broke the hand. I think,

915
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 3: ye next year.

916
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 2: The first player to get first first first quarter. I

917
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 2: didn't know it. I kept playing. We win.

918
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 3: I mean we talk about then take.

919
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: A shower, like, take a shower, and my ship like

920
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 2: the white muffy hand, it's just swollen. I'm like, I

921
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 2: can't wash my back and walking around they got me

922
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: like with a glove on. Remember I didn't even go

923
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 2: to the doctor until like the day before the next game.

924
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, what now, dude?

925
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 3: You still you still try to play?

926
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: Well? I missed. I couldn't dribble, so I missed game

927
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 2: two three, two three, two three. I missed two three

928
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 2: and four. Remember I can't. I could have played game four,

929
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 2: but they didn't. Uh not my hand to fucking too

930
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: late before the game. I was pissed about that. So

931
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 2: we go back to Atlanta. Should have won game I

932
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 2: blocked Schroeder shot. This is when they named trips and

933
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 2: fall our Horverd picks up the ball and scores the

934
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 2: layup at the park. Piers just hit the three in

935
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 2: the corner. I was fucking hot.

936
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I said, there was uh me, dude, we

937
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 3: just need some lockwn a.

938
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: Playoffs, some luck and some winning. But you know what,

939
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: my we know what. I made that famous post I

940
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 2: made with Dinner Schroder. My post ath we came back

941
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 2: and beat them in twenty seventeen because when he made

942
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: that shot, I hover made that shot him and Tim

943
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: Hardy was laughing in my face and it was clappy.

944
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 2: I was so hot. So we got revenge on them

945
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 2: and beat them in twenty seventeen. I got a post.

946
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's right.

947
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: I just want to say, like, you guys showing each

948
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 1: other love a lot. It's like, this is awesome to

949
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: get old teammates back together. And also, you know, we

950
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: talk a lot about how the media can kind of,

951
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: you know, just blow things up, and I wanted to

952
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: bring up just because I feel like you guys showing

953
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 1: so much love as former teammates. There was some feuding

954
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: towards the end, and I wanted to just ask you

955
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: guys about the complexities of being teammates for as long

956
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: as you guys were, you know, tweets things said, but

957
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: you guys squashed that pretty quickly. Can you give a

958
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: little bit of context to that, And like, you guys

959
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: are obviously in a great place and celebrating this stuff.

960
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 1: So I just wanted to clear up anything.

961
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 3: So let me speak first if I can, so I'll remember.

962
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 3: I'll remember. I definitely remember the one one case where

963
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 3: John mentioned this and I spoke to him privately, and

964
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 3: I think I think I can say this, this is

965
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 3: nothing crazy. But John had a surgery. I don't remember

966
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 3: was the ankle.

967
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 2: I mean it was my knee. I took a bones

968
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 2: for out.

969
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think you had. There was a surgery.

970
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,959
Speaker 3: I don't remember what part. I think was a knee. Uh,

971
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 3: And there was, and he was out for a couple

972
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 3: of good months. And I think that me as a

973
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 3: leader back then, uh. And obviously you know that I

974
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 3: would say that the number three options in the team

975
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 3: right after John and bred Uh, I think I dropped

976
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 3: the ball as a leader. Also, we didn't even go

977
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 3: to the hospital. We didn't even visit John. We didn't

978
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 3: you know, not not even mentioning driving to the hospital

979
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 3: or going to his house. Fuck, we didn't even send

980
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 3: a freaking message, man, John, how are you doing after surgery?

981
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 3: And I think this is something that it was definitely

982
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 3: on us, definitely on me. I'm not gonna I'm not

983
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 3: gonna point out here, you know, Kelly Uber freaking out

984
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 3: a porter who's twenty years old. I'm talking about me,

985
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 3: who's thirty plus years old to ten year plus veteran

986
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 3: in the league, and I should know better. That's one two.

987
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 3: I think we kind of maybe not separated, but dripped

988
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 3: away from each other, from John when I stopped going out,

989
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 3: basically going out with the rest of the crew because

990
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 3: you know, I was older and I ain't gonna lie.

991
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 3: I need more time to recover. You know. The only

992
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 3: time when me and John we were able to have

993
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 3: you know, the magic juice was only in a plane

994
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 3: a couple of times. But I think there was the

995
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 3: time when I kind of stopped going and not only

996
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,959
Speaker 3: with John, but also with Brad. That was the time

997
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 3: when we didn't talk over situations in the game. You know,

998
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 3: if we had any issues in the game or in

999
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 3: a practice, usually you go and say whatever you want, John,

1000
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 3: But I knew exact that I can talk to you

1001
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 3: only when when you are relaxed, when you are in

1002
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 3: common environment, when I can have a drink and you

1003
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 3: can have a drink, you can relax and sit down.

1004
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 3: Then I knew I can talk to you, and I

1005
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 3: knew I can get to your like very deep deep

1006
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 3: deep to your brain. I knew exactly that was the

1007
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 3: time when I was able to talk to you and

1008
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 3: explain you what I see or what should we do? Uh.

1009
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 3: And unfortunately we missed those meetings. I maybe not fail,

1010
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 3: but like I kind of like couldn't do it anymore

1011
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:39,919
Speaker 3: because I was older too. That was thing. And oh man,

1012
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 3: rest of the stuff, what was said, what wasn't said,

1013
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 3: what was tweet? I would say most of the stuff

1014
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 3: was just created by the media, I.

1015
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: Mean, which they always did for us. You hit it

1016
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 2: right on the note bro. The biggest thing was it

1017
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 2: was I could have been better. We all could have

1018
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: been better. But I think it just happened, like you said,

1019
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,919
Speaker 2: young guys, they kind of like ran with the thing

1020
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 2: everybody eat and everybody ran with And I was like, damn. Then,

1021
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 2: like you said, I didn't get a message from God.

1022
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 2: So that was like that. So then like you know,

1023
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 2: you in that mindset and mold you like, damn, I

1024
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 2: feel like I'm left out. You get into your emotion,

1025
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 2: you don't think, and like you said, I magic juice.

1026
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: We have a glass of wine, magic juice. On the plane.

1027
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 2: That's when we talked and had a lot of great conversations.

1028
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 2: And I think like we kind of got away from

1029
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 2: that and then we like we still play well. We

1030
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 2: still played great, but like when we needed to fix

1031
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,439
Speaker 2: certain situations, we wasn't fixing like you said, I was older,

1032
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: Like shit, I need my wrists. I don't care what

1033
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 2: y'all doing. I need another two hours of sleep. And

1034
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 2: even on the plane, like we got to the point

1035
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 2: of the plane, like we would play the music some loud,

1036
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: you know, Okay, damn, we're not having to talk this day.

1037
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,240
Speaker 2: We're not having that talk that day. But like the media,

1038
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 2: like what we always said, we had so much shit

1039
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 2: that goes on in locker room, bro, and we always

1040
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 2: keep it to ourselves. We always never wanted it, wanted

1041
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 2: it to get out. And that's what family, that's what

1042
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 2: a brotherhood is for. So everybody keep trying to put

1043
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 2: the media of what me and Gorta have. We are great.

1044
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: We are brothers. I have a number love and respect

1045
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 2: for them. Everybody gonna have some disagreements and agreements a fight,

1046
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 2: that's what brother always right.

1047
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 3: Remember Remember John when I left, when I when I

1048
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 3: left the team, and and and I was traded, and

1049
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 3: you know the message to send me. I mean, I mean,

1050
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 3: I mean seriously, I had a fucking tears in my eyes, man,

1051
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 3: I mean John sent me a you know it wasn't

1052
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 3: a good luck you know, and you know it was

1053
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 3: you know, this this thing was like a freaking book,

1054
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And and yeah, I mean

1055
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 3: it was. It was real, real talk and I knew that,

1056
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 3: you know, the stuff he sent it to me was real,

1057
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 3: and you know I appreciate it. I'll always remember that.

1058
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 3: You know what we've done with John. And you know

1059
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 3: even today gorted screen, I mean, she this thing would

1060
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 3: not exist if I won't have John o' bread, you know,

1061
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 3: I mean, bottom line, I mean, John and Brad is

1062
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 3: you know fifty percent of my success. The rest fifty

1063
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 3: percent is here, you know, and there's here right in

1064
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 3: the hammer. But you know that's that's they are fifty

1065
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 3: percent of my success. They knew exactly what I'm doing,

1066
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 3: they knew how to use it. They had the right body,

1067
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 3: they had the right speed, they had the right you know, knowledge,

1068
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 3: and you know, and and fuck we had fun, man,

1069
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 3: we had fun. But again, listen, at the end of

1070
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 3: the year, I mean the fifth year, I will again, John,

1071
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 3: I will. I'm gonna put blame. I mean, fuck it,

1072
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say it now. But coach didn't help at

1073
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 3: this time too. You know, if we had Randy, Randy

1074
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 3: will call us right away to the freaking room and

1075
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 3: we will sit down and talk to John, will yell

1076
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 3: at me, I will yell at John, and we will

1077
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 3: and we will squeeze it. And then we will yell at,

1078
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 3: yell at us, both both of us, and we will

1079
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 3: squeeze this thing. I don't think. I don't think, unfortunately,

1080
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 3: that coaching staff help us at that point, you know.

1081
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 3: And I always heard only, Yeah, I'm working on it.

1082
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 3: I'm working. I'm working. I'm talking to him. I'm working.

1083
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 3: I'm like, dude, ain't working shit, ain't working. Man, Like

1084
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 3: I'm going to talk to him. No, you don't talk,

1085
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 3: You're gonna make things work. So I'm like, listen, I

1086
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 3: know John for five years. I'm gonna talk to him.

1087
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 3: So yeah, there was time when I was trying to

1088
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 3: talk to John. But again, coaches, I don't think coaches

1089
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 3: help us back then. They I think they should be

1090
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 3: more supportive at that point.

1091
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,240
Speaker 2: Because I feel like we had a great relationship. Like

1092
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 2: like I said, We're gonna agree to disagree sometimes when

1093
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,919
Speaker 2: we talk. But when I stepped between those four lines,

1094
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 2: I'm going to war with whoever my brothers are, whoever

1095
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 2: my teammates. Sorry, So if I got a problem with you,

1096
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 2: and I might be mad at you right now when

1097
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 2: I get go out on and put this jersey z on,

1098
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 2: that problem is not the problem. This is how we

1099
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 2: both feed and I found this what were planning for

1100
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 2: the city of this organization we played for. Like I said,

1101
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: we had so many great moments. I feel like we

1102
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 2: just missed the curves sometimes, like maybe been having a

1103
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 2: little bit more depth on the bench sometimes you know

1104
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 2: what I mean, like not having injuries. But everybody know

1105
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 2: the impact that we had, Like shit, we won seventeen

1106
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,919
Speaker 2: in the row at home. They feel like we winning

1107
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 2: I think we had seventeen No, but Bron fucking made

1108
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 2: the bank shot. Remember it was for the five made

1109
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 2: the fucking bank.

1110
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 3: Oh, you're right about that.

1111
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 2: He practiced made.

1112
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 3: The bank shot.

1113
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 2: Man, I'll give a damn that ship. Look, that was

1114
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 2: high because we remember play before that he traveled. They

1115
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:09,439
Speaker 2: didn't call it travel you right. We supposed to found

1116
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 2: him when he caught the ball, but we didn't found

1117
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 2: Kevin loved to a hell of a pass.

1118
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was crazy.

1119
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 3: So yeah, but again, do you remember there was we

1120
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 3: had every year, we had twelve appearances that we had

1121
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 3: to do, uh, twelve appearances that we had to do

1122
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 3: as the NBA players in the community. And one of

1123
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 3: the funniest and the coolest thing we had to do.

1124
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 3: We had to go to those special Olympic games and

1125
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 3: we were coaching and reffing the game. And you know,

1126
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 3: one year John was a referee this and then then

1127
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 3: second year I was the referee or you know, we.

1128
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 2: Were coaching, was getting text out and all that.

1129
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 3: And John John gave me you know teck, I mean

1130
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 3: the first quarter, you know, Gord that shut.

1131
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 2: Up across the line little across. Yeah.

1132
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 3: So yeah, so again we it was fun, man, it

1133
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 3: was fun and uh and uh, just the crew we had.

1134
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 3: It was unbelievable and uh, you know the plane rides

1135
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 3: and man, right, guys fun But.

1136
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 2: Like you said, I think you said that, like just

1137
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 2: because like when we did those twelve things for the community, Damn,

1138
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 2: the whole team was showing up, like you. I mean,

1139
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 2: it's only supposed to be a certain amount of guys

1140
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 2: for a certain ones. But we had so much camaraderie

1141
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: and enjoyed being around each other and I just talking, joking,

1142
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 2: half a glass of wine, playing cards, whatever. We just

1143
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: enjoyed that, going to team dinner. So we all did everything.

1144
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 2: We all wanted to do it, so it was a

1145
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 2: perfect time for that.

1146
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, unfortunately everything ends, uh you know, we we had

1147
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 3: a good round.

1148
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 2: But I tell something out. I hope my story end

1149
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 2: like yours, because I got I got traded around February too,

1150
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 2: from the Clippers back to Houston, So I'm like, hopefully

1151
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 2: I can get back in and play a little bit more,

1152
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 2: but if not, I'd be fine. But our story kind

1153
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 2: of ended the same way. It just ended in February

1154
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 2: with the Clippers and.

1155
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 3: And and and I know that you you love LA,

1156
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 3: I love l A. We we all wanted to live

1157
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 3: in LA and it was like playing in the Clippers

1158
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 3: of l A or Lakers will be cool at the

1159
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 3: end of the career. And guess what, it did happen.

1160
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 3: But but she we didn't want to end up, you know,

1161
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 3: the middle of the year like that.

1162
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 2: When I was there. I mean, great organization, great coach

1163
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 2: and t and those guys. It just ended in February,

1164
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 2: which was tough, but it was like that it made

1165
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 2: changes because they needed some more depth in different situations.

1166
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 2: So it was cool.

1167
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean I was I was excited when

1168
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 3: you signed with the Clippers. I was like, Wow, that

1169
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 3: that's gonna be actually good fit. You know. I was

1170
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 3: hoping that. I was actually hoping that you're gonna come

1171
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 3: off the bench and you're gonna be like producing as

1172
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 3: a six man, you know, because you're gonna have more.

1173
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 3: You're gonna you're gonna have the ball in your hands more,

1174
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 3: you know. And and I was thinking, like, all right,

1175
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,919
Speaker 3: he's gonna do that. You know, he's gonna that's that's

1176
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 3: basically gonna buy him a nottter you know, a year

1177
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 3: or two in the league.

1178
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 2: But damn, yeah, it was tough because we didn't we uh,

1179
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 2: we played small balls, So it was kind of like

1180
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:09,919
Speaker 2: you know what me like, I was playing My role

1181
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 2: is I can go be a score, but I like

1182
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 2: to run, pick and roll and get everybody involved. And

1183
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 2: we didn't have to, you know what I mean. We had

1184
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 2: Nicklas between playing our center at the time, so it

1185
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 2: was kind of tough. He's like, all it's five out,

1186
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 2: five in. So it was cool.

1187
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 3: So so what so what you're doing now? You you're

1188
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 3: playing both for fun.

1189
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 2: Or I work out every day. Uh, take care of

1190
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 2: my two boys and my step daughter. My oldest son

1191
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 2: played soccer in the boxing so he wanted to be

1192
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 2: like messy. We got training today at six o'clock in

1193
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 2: the backyard. He got a game every Saturday. So what

1194
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 2: I be doing, man, taking him to school, raising the boys,

1195
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 2: standing out the way, Uh, doing the podcast. Just find other,

1196
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,439
Speaker 2: like you said, just find the other stuff that I love,

1197
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: because that's the toughest part is we so used to

1198
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 2: being on a routine schedule eight months, nine months. You're

1199
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 2: on a team, You're always traveling. Right now I'm just

1200
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 2: sitting here like, damn.

1201
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,439
Speaker 3: You still you still you still got you still got

1202
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:00,760
Speaker 3: these u uh, these dogs.

1203
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 2: The dogs got to be in the backyard right now.

1204
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 2: I just got him in the cut because.

1205
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 3: I want how many you got? Now? How many you got? Now?

1206
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 2: I got two King Corsos because I used to have

1207
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 2: like six no, no, no, so look I used to

1208
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 2: have his killer in my backyard, like with six bulls,

1209
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 2: I had kill in my backyard. They never want to

1210
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 2: come to my house though. Nobody want to come out.

1211
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: They're like, no, I saw that one, the recent one

1212
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: you got, and I was like, if I come over,

1213
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta tell him to not.

1214
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love dogs, man, I love sneakers. You I

1215
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 2: love sneakers and I love dogs.

1216
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 3: You're not coming into each house just like yeah, yeah,

1217
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 3: I mean this is you really got to bring the

1218
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 3: army of people to come into your house. I mean

1219
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 3: had a lot.

1220
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 2: Of but now only I don't got as many as

1221
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 2: I used to, though I cut it down a little

1222
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 2: bit to four. I used to have eight, but I

1223
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 2: got it at four now.

1224
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 3: So I thought, you're gonna do some Hollywood stuff, like

1225
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 3: what movie stuff? You don't want to do it?

1226
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 2: If they come away from some acting, I'll get into

1227
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 2: that road, you know. I mean, they got a check

1228
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 2: for me.

1229
00:55:58,360 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: I ain't doing it.

1230
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 3: They gotta check, you know, check.

1231
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 2: I ain't going to do no active for nothing.

1232
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 3: Okay, So the last question that you should be a coach,

1233
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 3: you know that, right?

1234
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 2: So you know what you know with.

1235
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 3: Your love to basketball, with your love to basketball, and

1236
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 3: I know you're watching freaking six games in a row.

1237
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 3: Like you know, I could not do this thing because

1238
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 3: I would be mad, like, oh my god, there was

1239
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 3: a guy in the corner. Why he didn't pass the ball,

1240
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 3: why he shot a fade away? I'm like, man, fuck it,

1241
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 3: I'm turning to sell watch this, you know. So yeah,

1242
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 3: but I know John is watching every game.

1243
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 2: Now, splitting my screen to four games. Split my screen

1244
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 2: to four games, you know right now the playoffs, So

1245
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 2: I only watch one at a time. I think tonight

1246
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 2: you might be able to watch two because one of

1247
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 2: them on NBA TV. But yeah, like down in the

1248
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:51,919
Speaker 2: future though, Bro, I want to be like a gym.

1249
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 2: I want to be a GM.

1250
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 3: So Jim more than a coach.

1251
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you said, bro, like me, Like you know,

1252
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 2: like me, Bro, I'm just so everything I do and

1253
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 2: I just like, like, even when I was injured, I'm like,

1254
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 2: but what the fuck is he doing? Like I wouldn't

1255
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 2: do that or you know, like you watching somebody like

1256
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 2: I do this, I wouldn't do that. And I think

1257
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 2: for me these young guys now, it's like you got

1258
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 2: to force them to work out sometimes unless you just

1259
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 2: get a windows special ones that love to be in

1260
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 2: a gym and love to do it. And I'm like,

1261
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 2: for you to be on the Nbay level and getting

1262
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 2: paid like it's nobody should never be forcing you to

1263
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 2: come work out.

1264
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 3: So the same thing when I went to Washington, they

1265
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 3: you know, I spoke with my agent and he said, Mark,

1266
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 3: you're starting from the bottom again, you know, like wait,

1267
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 3: I mean for the bottom, Like, oh, well, you're not

1268
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 3: going to get you know, whatever the amount you want,

1269
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 3: you know, you're getting, you know, one hundred thousand, you know,

1270
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 3: one fifty two hundred. I was like, what, like what,

1271
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 3: I like, I can't do that?

1272
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 2: He tell me. He tells me it's over there. He said, Bro,

1273
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 2: I only could go like once a month, twice a month.

1274
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 2: I can't do this every day.

1275
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 3: No, I can't do this every because I coming into

1276
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 3: the gym, I'm getting a nice left. You know, I'm

1277
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 3: seven thirty in a gym, eat breakfast eight o'clock. I'm

1278
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 3: in I'm piping, I'm pump pumping iron in the way room.

1279
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 3: You know, my big is coming in nine thirty ten o'clock.

1280
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 3: I was like, dude, what the time is practice?

1281
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the.

1282
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 3: Practice at thirty. I'm like, where before you are? You

1283
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 3: got to Yeah, you gotta give me a good lift

1284
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 3: and then let's go. Let's go do some moves, you

1285
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 3: know under the basket, Let's get some shots, maybe get

1286
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 3: quick one on one, you know, it's like one on one.

1287
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 3: I was like, why why are you making those faces? Like, oh,

1288
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna play one on one? Like we have

1289
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 3: a game in two days. I'm like, so, I'm like

1290
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 3: I was playing at the shoot around before the game

1291
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 3: that same day one on one, and I was going

1292
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 3: the same day later on and I was performing, like

1293
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 3: what kind of faces you perform?

1294
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 2: We was performing after three hour practices. Two hours. Yeah,

1295
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 2: It's like now practice might be thirty to forty five minutes,

1296
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 2: maybe an hour on a good day. So it was

1297
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 2: playing that's two hours and then go play forty minutes

1298
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 2: in a game.

1299
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 3: I agree, that's that's that's insane. That's why you know

1300
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 3: I've seen it. And I told the guys say, hey,

1301
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 3: you have passport is a why I said you're gonna

1302
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 3: need in China, man, I said, I swear God, you're

1303
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 3: gonna need in China next year. I was like, you crazy, man,

1304
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 3: dude is in China right now as we speak.

1305
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, like some people take it for

1306
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 2: granted because, like you said he spoke on earlier, a

1307
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 2: lot of teams don't have a lot of vets and

1308
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 2: it's like even if the vets planner, they're not playing,

1309
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 2: like they could still just teach these young guys how

1310
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 2: to be pros, how to get certain things because they

1311
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 2: come in now and it's all handy to him. Like

1312
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 2: I remember even my rookie haar being there one pick.

1313
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 2: I didn't have it handy to me. I had to

1314
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 2: earn everything I had. And that's what I respected about it,

1315
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 2: because you don't want to come in and feel like

1316
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 2: you're bigger and better than everybody, because I mean, it's

1317
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 2: already a target on your bet.

1318
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 3: Just John, this was the biggest thing you know, have

1319
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 3: it controlling YouTube Like you and Bread, I mean, we

1320
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 3: knew exactly there's going to be a point of time,

1321
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 3: in the point in time that where you guys are

1322
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 3: gonna take over like completely. But you know, as soon

1323
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 3: as I came to the team, I had it was me, Nanna, Martell, Webster,

1324
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 3: Trevor Ariza, I'll hang and uh, and Andrew Miller, Drew Gooden.

1325
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 2: Dude, we had like everybody exactly, and.

1326
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 3: And we knew exactly that you know, if I say something,

1327
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 3: then it's going to support me. If J's gonna say something,

1328
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 3: I was going to support him, Trevor is going to

1329
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 3: support him. So we were able to control John and

1330
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 3: Brett in a good way. I'm saying a good way,

1331
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 3: you know. Uh. But then obviously the Vets start leaving.

1332
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 3: You know, I'll retired, Martel went to a different team,

1333
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, you know, you only

1334
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 3: have two Vets left in the team, and and John

1335
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 3: and Brad became, you know, the superstar, super all star

1336
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 3: in this in this league. And I was like, all right,

1337
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 3: these guys are they on their own now? Like we

1338
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:48,919
Speaker 3: can't do anything now, man, But it's all right.

1339
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 2: I mean we had great vets, We had fun. You

1340
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 2: just named seven eight guys that haven't stablished themself in

1341
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 2: his league that if you didn't respect them, you just

1342
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 2: wasn't gonna respect anybody. And I feel like we never

1343
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 2: could have made it jump to become who you as

1344
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 2: as players and to be a better team that can

1345
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 2: compete every night against somebody.

1346
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 3: And you know what, the good thing is that we

1347
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 3: also changed the culture of the team, because you know,

1348
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 3: I mean, as far as I know, when I was

1349
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 3: coming to the team, the only thing I heard was

1350
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 3: Gilbert and the famous gun in the locker room. Uh,

1351
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 3: you know, uh, Andrew Blatchen and Jevelle McGee doing some

1352
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 3: crazy stuff. And all of a sudden, we changed the

1353
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 3: whole team and we build a different culture in the team.

1354
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 3: We we we we started becoming you know, we became

1355
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 3: a winning team, a playoff team, uh you know, a

1356
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 3: decent contender, you know, to a to a winning a championship,

1357
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 3: and and we completely changed the culture of the team.

1358
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 3: So I mean, hail, we we succeeded. We we we

1359
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 3: definitely didn't fail, you know, we we we succeeded.

1360
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: I just want to say to close this out, like

1361
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 1: we've been posting clips of you and Marching and and Johnny,

1362
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: you guys, and people are saying underneath are like one

1363
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: of the most underappreciated duos in the last ten years.

1364
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 1: So I love that you guys are getting love. We

1365
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 1: saw it on Lebron and JJ's podcast, like the Guard

1366
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 1: Center combo is kind of we see it with Jamal

1367
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: and Jokic right like, and that's what's winning the championship.

1368
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: I just want to show you guys love because people

1369
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: are saying on our social posts like most Underappreciated Duo.

1370
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 1: So Martian, thank you so much for joining the show.

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01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 3: Appreciate appreciate you guys having.

1372
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: You on Point Game.

1373
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 3: So thank you guys. Thanks being brother.

1374
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Point Game with John Wall and c Toldno,

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01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: presented by Draftkinks. We are now going to play our

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01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: classic segment, Bucketer Brig.

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01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 2: John You ready, you know it all right?

1378
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 1: Just before we before we go on, I'm gonna remind

1379
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,640
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Speaker 1: even sweeter. The crown is yours. Okay, let's get into this.

1384
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 1: So first one for Bucketter Brick. The Magic are plus

1385
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty five to win this series. They're

1386
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 1: two to two right now, so meaning they're only slight underdogs.

1387
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: So if you bet one hundred, you could win one

1388
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: hundred and forty five bucks. So Bucket or Brick, the

1389
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 1: Magic are going to win this series against the Cavs.

1390
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 2: Oh Man, I say, Bucket, I think they found their rhythm.

1391
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 2: I mean, the biggest kid is trying to steal on

1392
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:23,919
Speaker 2: the road, you know, I mean, but I think those

1393
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 2: young guys found a little rhythm and they're competing at

1394
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 2: a high level. So you know, I mean, I love

1395
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 2: a coach, Coach Moseley, so I think he's been doing

1396
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 2: a great job and I always have respect for him

1397
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 2: since he was in Daly, So it's great to see

1398
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 2: how he changed it around over there and got those

1399
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 2: young guys playing in Pilos playing at a hell of

1400
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 2: a level for his second year and first year in

1401
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 2: the playoffs.

1402
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 1: Do you think that, you know, with the talk of

1403
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell, I think that the quote or something that

1404
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: came out said that if they don't make to the finals,

1405
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: Donovan wants out. Do you think that's affecting their performance

1406
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: a little bit in the series.

1407
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 2: I really don't like to speak on stuff like that

1408
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 2: because you never really know what nobody's going through. But

1409
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 2: I feel like he's already was trying to leave anyway.

1410
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 2: Unless they win the championship, I don't think he's staying.

1411
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 2: I think that's what the nois been about all year

1412
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 2: and trying to figure out they wanted to trade him

1413
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 2: before the dadline or not. Uh So he don't just

1414
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 2: walk and you lose them for nothing. So I think

1415
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 2: it's been tough. But it's been up and down year

1416
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 2: for them completely, you know what I mean. They've been

1417
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 2: a hot team early on, then Daris Garland got hurt,

1418
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,919
Speaker 2: then Donald's playing well, then don got hurt and DG

1419
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 2: got to playing well. So I think it's just kind

1420
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 2: of tough because they're both ball dominant but both great,

1421
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, Dono has been doing a lot

1422
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 2: a little bit longer than DG as but I think

1423
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,919
Speaker 2: it's just a tough balance between those two for sure.

1424
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: Okay, going on, the Lakers are down three to one,

1425
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: people are always are already talking about whether he should be

1426
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 1: doing the off season, So bucket or brick, the Lakers

1427
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 1: should move on from Darvin ham Mmm.

1428
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 2: I say Bucky you. I mean, I never want to

1429
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 2: see a coach get fired or anything like that, but

1430
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 2: I just think and Gil if they get they almost

1431
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 2: got swept again. They did a great job of competing

1432
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 2: and fighting back the other night, you know, I think

1433
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 2: and I didn't close it out, you know, I mean

1434
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 2: being back home, those guys missed a lot of shots

1435
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 2: last game. I mean, but it's the nature of the game,

1436
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 2: making shots and missing shots. The DM Stow came back

1437
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 2: and played well, but I just feel like they moved

1438
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 2: back from Darby. I mean kind of just look at

1439
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 2: the the any just giving around. You watch some of

1440
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 2: the highlights has been out or Clippers has been out

1441
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 2: of gods getting up and walking away from the time out,

1442
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 2: or some guys not even been in the time out huddle.

1443
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 2: I kind of think that's when you kind of know

1444
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 2: you're lost in the locker room.

1445
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, going back to game four, I don't know if

1446
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 1: you saw, but the the Nuggets didn't have their shoes

1447
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 1: for shoot around.

1448
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think they Yeah, I think they let me

1449
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 2: be honest, got thing, bro, They out there working on

1450
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 2: the game. They trying and get their shots up, but

1451
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 2: you can't really be full speed of game speed because

1452
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 2: you're in flip flops like you know what I mean.

1453
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 2: You don't want to sprain your anchor or have a

1454
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 2: serious injury, so you're just basically methodical. But anyway, the

1455
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 2: Lakers came out and play well. They competed at the

1456
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 2: high level of those guys competing and fought and uh

1457
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 2: the role player stepped up big.

1458
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, going back over to the East, the

1459
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 1: Knicks will make the Eastern Conference finals. Bucket Brick who

1460
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 1: they played, Knixt they'll play, They'll play the Pacers if

1461
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: the Pacers end up closing out against the Bucks, so

1462
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: classic series Knicks Pacers.

1463
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 2: To me, I gotta go Pacers. I think the Pacers will,

1464
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 2: So I'll say, interesting, I love the Knicks. They're playing

1465
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 2: at a high level. I love the Knicks, but I

1466
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 2: think is going to be a tough matchup problem for

1467
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 2: him in the next round. But I mean, never know

1468
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 2: what Genlen Brunton away, he's playing, playing at the hell

1469
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 2: of the level.

1470
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: I mean, same with ty We were talking about ty

1471
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: ree versus Jalen in the in the first half. I

1472
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: feel like ty Reese is not playing you know, to

1473
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: his you know best.

1474
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think he's playing it, playing the way

1475
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 2: he's usually happen. I mean, I think last game probably

1476
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 2: been his best game of this series in my opinion

1477
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 2: from watching. But Turner has been stepping up for them

1478
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 2: big time, you know what I mean. It just sucks

1479
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 2: for the Bucks because you know, I mean not having

1480
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 2: Giannis to start the series and Dame getting hurt and

1481
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 2: then I don't know how they Chris Midleton finished the

1482
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 2: game yesterday, he sprained his other ankle, and yeah, I

1483
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 2: think Pat Bev heard his hip, so you know, I

1484
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 2: mean he's in a tough spot right now for sure.

1485
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: Okay, final one. This news broke this morning. Your beloved

1486
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 1: Cowboys are re signing Ezekiel Elliott. So Bucket brick, Zeke

1487
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 1: Elliott is going to have a positive impact on the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys this year.

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Speaker 2: Oh say Bucket, I think he helps the Jim. I

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Speaker 2: think I wish you would have sign him last year

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Speaker 2: and kept him as I back up back or you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean or change it pays back for Tony problem.

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Speaker 2: I didn't think Tony. Tony Poulter is great. I love him.

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Speaker 2: I think he's every down back. I think he's a

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Speaker 2: great change It pays back catching ball at the backfield.

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Speaker 2: I'm still devastating. We ain't try to get dig Henry.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like he wanted to be there.

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Speaker 2: But it's a tough year. I mean I think, I

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Speaker 2: mean what we said we was gonna all in. I

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Speaker 2: don't think we really went all in. Yeah, but I

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Speaker 2: hope they have a good year though.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, John, that's been another episode of Point Game.

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Speaker 1: Anything you want to leave the fans with.

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