1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A beautiful young mom goes 2 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: missing in Colorado, of all days, on Mother's Day? How 3 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: did that happen? Of course I'm talking about Suzanne Morphew 4 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: and in the last hours breaking news in the case. 5 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories and I want 6 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: to thank you for being with us here at Fox 7 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: Nation and Sirius XM one eleven. Right now, her brother 8 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: Andrew Mormon seemingly taking the lead and searching for his 9 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: missing sister. Take a listen now to our friend Andy 10 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: Mormon speaking to doctor Phil. Do you believe that they 11 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: have found your sister? I think there's a good possibility. 12 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: And can you describe what the area is? Is this 13 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: a mine shaft? Is it a grave site? Is it 14 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: disturbed ground? Is it an air shaft? What kind of 15 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: area did they hit on? Well, one of them the 16 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: river front, another one is a tree planting, and the 17 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: third one is an addition being put in and the 18 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: entrance area with blocks. Are these areas that would lend 19 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: themselves to hiding body or body parts? Yes? Absolutely so 20 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: when those dogs hit What was the first thing that 21 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: went through your mind? Andy, I just said, damn, I 22 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: can't believe anybody would do this. Did you think it 23 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: was something else or did you think they found her? 24 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: I think there's a good chance that should find out 25 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: in the coming days. And I always knew nothing good 26 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: was going to come out of this film. You're hearing 27 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: sus Anne Morphew's brother Andrew speaking publicly about the search 28 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: for Susanne. As of right now, the indications are that 29 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: when the cadaver dogs hit at that location, that it 30 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: was not Susanne Morphew. How did the whole thing begin? 31 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. I wanted to wish certain 32 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: other happy Mother's day. Got no answer. They called their father, 33 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: said dad, we can't get ahold of the mom. He tried, 34 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: and he asked the neighbor to go over and see 35 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: if she was home. So the neighbor goes over, opens 36 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: the garage, The cars are all home. She returns to 37 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: her phone, calls Barry. Cars are home. Barry says, what 38 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,839 Speaker 1: about her bicycle? Lass a lot to go back over, 39 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: So she runs back over, looks no bicycle. The odd 40 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: thing to me was at midnight on Saturday night. I 41 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 1: want you to realize she was seeing in town with Barry, 42 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: getting the say how much at four four pm at midnight, 43 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: somebody friended all of the guys my age on her 44 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: Facebook at midnight at midnight. Yeah. My theory is she 45 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: was killed after four Her Facebook was manipulated at midnight. 46 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: She was hidden between midnight and four am. On another'sday morning, 47 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: you were hearing her brother, Susanne Morphy's brother, speaking to 48 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: our friend Phil. Long story short, We're learning so much 49 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,839 Speaker 1: more about the timeline that Susanne Morphy was seen on 50 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: Saturday around four o'clock, and that somehow and I'm just 51 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: learning this her Facebook was used at midnight to friend 52 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: a lot of guys online with me an all star 53 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: panel to break you down to the author I've read 54 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: flags as. She's the host of Live with Doctor Wendy 55 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: k c b Q, Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists, joining 56 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: me out of the Atlanta Jurisdiction at Angela Arnold MD 57 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: dot com. FOPS twenty one, Colorado Springs News reporter Laurence 58 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: Sharf on the case from the beginning. Two special guests 59 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: joining us. Mike King, forty years law enforcement. He is 60 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: the co host creator of Profiling Evil at Profiling Evil 61 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: dot com with me his co host Chris McDonough twenty 62 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: five years police officer Southern California, co host Profiling Evil 63 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: Profiling Evil dot com. They've been on the case from 64 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: the very beginning. But first to crime online dot Com 65 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: investigative reporter Ellen Kill Lauren, Ellen, what can you tell 66 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: me about what? Andrew Mormon, the brother just says to Phil. 67 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: You know I've been on day one. Ellen, You and 68 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: I locked torns and went round and round and round 69 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 1: because I kept saying, who keeps saying? She was on 70 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: her by? Did anybody ever see her? Honor by? Our 71 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: very first conversation, the banner was was she ever honor by? 72 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: Now I'm understanding it was Barry Morphew, the husband that 73 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: first said where's her by? Did I get that right? Ellen? 74 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: Yes she did. We learned more in the last week 75 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: or so about the timeline of Susanne Morphew's disappearance than 76 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: we have in the proceeding nearly five months. We know 77 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: now that she was seen at four pm the day 78 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: before she was reported missing with her husband, Barry Morphew. 79 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: By if we compare that to what we know about 80 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: Barry Morphew's activity the next Sunday, Mother's day, the day 81 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: that she was reported missing. It seems that Barry Morphew 82 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: would have had to drive either a very late Saturday 83 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: night or very early Sunday morning to go to brew Build, 84 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: Colorado for a landscaping job. Landscape escaping job that, from 85 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: what we understand, was never completed. Okay, I'm just trying 86 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: to take in everything you said. Ak. It's like me 87 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 1: drinking from a fire hydrant. It's so much at once. 88 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: But let me just go back what you were saying. 89 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: Everything you just said is valuable to me. So the 90 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 1: first person that ever said what about the bike? Was 91 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 1: Barry Morphew. Is that right? Yes, that is what we understand. 92 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: When the neighbor went to Suzanne's home to check on 93 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: her because her daughters couldn't reach her, she first looked 94 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: into the garage to see if the cars were there. 95 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: The cars were there. Apparently, Barry then contacted her and said, 96 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: but what about the bike? It was him who suggested 97 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: that the neighbor look for the bike, which of course 98 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 1: the neighbor didn't find. And to you, Laurence Sharff joining 99 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: me if Fox to any one Colorado Springs NISI reporter 100 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: on the case from the gig go, Lauren, what is 101 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: this about her Facebook? She go, Susanne Mourphey apparently goes 102 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: on her Facebook at midnight that night after she spotted 103 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: that day at four. Now I think we're talking about 104 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: Saturday night and she starts friending all these guys. Who 105 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: is she friending? I mean, that's a good question, Nancy. 106 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: I've spoken to Barry Moore few multiple times and he 107 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: has not once ever mentioned Facebook or any activities that 108 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: Suzanne had on Facebook. He did mention that, you know, 109 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: on Sundays, she would typically like to take bike ride 110 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: interesting joining me along with Lauren shar Farks twenty one 111 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: in Ellen Klauren crime online dot Com, Mike King, and 112 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: Chris mcdonnough, just both of them, one as forty years 113 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: in law enforcement, one as twenty five in as a cop. 114 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: Thirteen is homicide first, You guys just jump in and 115 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: Lauren Ek that goes for you too, if you have 116 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: a fact that is relevant to what we're talking about 117 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: at that moment. Mike, what can you tell me about 118 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: Susanne Moorephew reportedly going on at midnight? Now, listen, if 119 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: I catch my husband in a closet friending people at midnight. 120 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: I can tell you right now, I'll h double al 121 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: going to break loose because we get up at five 122 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning and hit the ground running, and 123 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: I would that would just make me concern. What do 124 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: you know, Mike King? Yeah, that's really the really the 125 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: big questions that keep popping up in these red flags 126 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: that we keep talking about. Nancy. We go back and 127 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 1: we look at probabilities versus possibilities, and there are somebody 128 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: stinking possibilities in a deal like this, but we start 129 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: thinking about what is really probable and what is probable 130 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: based on Susanne's behavior. Me making a closing argument, what's 131 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: probable and what's possible. I mean, it's possible little green 132 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 1: Man flew down from ours and took or right, but 133 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: that's not probable. What is probable? What's the likely? What's 134 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: her Facebook activity? What's her routine? I mean, to get 135 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: on at midnight and start friending people? Who is she friending? 136 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: Chris mcdonna. Yeah, So when I hey, Nanshy, when I 137 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: talked to uh Andy, he told me directly that his 138 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: older brothers started his friends started kidding Facebook messages from Suzanne, 139 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: And I mean that was just like you've got to 140 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: be kidding it, and so yeah, to your point, I'm 141 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: tracking your honor percent. It just doesn't fit when you 142 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: say Facebook messages. So is this all these people are 143 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: getting messages from her for the first time the night 144 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: before she goes missing. Yeah, not messages, I'm sorry, but 145 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: friend And they were friended, you know, for the first time. 146 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: And by the way, you know, they grew up to 147 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: each other, right, they knew it. They known each other 148 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: all their lives, and all of a sudden they're feel 149 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: bad night. She decides to Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Everybody, 150 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: we're talking about the disappearance of Suzanne more few and 151 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: we've just come upon, between Lauren Sharff, Ellen Colauren and 152 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: Mike King, Chris mcdonnald something very interesting. What about it, 153 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick. Suddenly she's up friending people. She's not her 154 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: whole life. This is enormously suspicious. This is a huge, 155 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: bright red flag routine custom practice. What somebody normally does 156 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: with time, they normally go to bed. And everybody that's 157 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: talking about receiving requests from Susanne. No, they're receiving friend 158 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: requests from her accounts and therein lies the rub. If 159 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: she gets up like you do, Nancy, at five am, 160 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: I guarantee you she's not up friending people at midnight, 161 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: nor do we have any indication she uses Facebook a lot. 162 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: So this is this is something that is probably one 163 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: of the pieces of evidence that's going to be most 164 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: important in trying to figure out not only who else 165 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: might have access to her account, but whether or not 166 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: she is still alive, where she is, why she would 167 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: do this, and if she has backed up to Facebook 168 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 1: and it's really her, this probably is not the way 169 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: she would be spending her time at this time and again, 170 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: according to Chris mcdonnah and Mike King, who are the 171 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: co hosts of Profiles, an Awesome, awesome website and podcast. Right, guys, 172 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: let me ask you about this. Chris mcdonnah, Mike King, 173 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: I'm scared to you, Mike, I'm a lot of people. Well, actually, 174 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: it's just been very more for your husband has said 175 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: law enforcement has bungled the case from the beginning and 176 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: that he's their scapegoat. I'm sure that local police have 177 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: pulled up her Facebook account and looked at her activity 178 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: to determine this kind things she would do. Yeah, exactly. 179 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: And I think the thing that was troubling us is 180 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: he immediately throws out four scenarios. He talks about the 181 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: bike ride and the crash on the bike. He then 182 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: brings up this wild story of a cougar attack, and 183 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: then he brings in the boogeyman, and then finally he 184 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: starts pointing at well, maybe it's someone that's known to her. 185 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: And so what we tried to do is go down 186 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: and to start looking at those individually and breaking them down. 187 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: And of course the first one and the easiest one 188 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: to go after was the mountain lions story. Well, isn't 189 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: it true that I do a lot of camping, a 190 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: lot of rving work in the national forest. It's my 191 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: understanding when there is an animal attack, there would be 192 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: evidence of that. There would be blood at the spot 193 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: of the attack. Most likely you would see drag marks. 194 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: I mean the cougar. Cougar I'm doing that with air 195 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: quotes would not put her body in their suv and 196 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,599 Speaker 1: drive off with it. You would see drag marks, You 197 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: would see indications the body being dragged, and typically they 198 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: don't drag the body that far away. They eat it 199 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: and they will leave behind maybe bones, clothing that has 200 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 1: torn off the body. None of that existed absolutely, and 201 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: that was troubling to us. There was no crime, see 202 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: no attack, see no artifact on the ground to suggest 203 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: there was even a scuffle. Everything that we could see 204 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: from looking at other predaceous movements is that there are 205 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: drag marks like a small deer being drug. Even this 206 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: is a woman who's over one hundred pounds and dragging 207 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 1: her would not be an easy feat. And the fact 208 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: is that a cat is only going to carry its 209 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: prey maybe four hundred and fifty feet in a maximum, 210 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: and then it's going to come back. And it's gonna 211 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: kind of gruesome to say, but it's going to come 212 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: back and consume that for a number of days. That 213 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: just doesn't care, you know, to you, Chris mcdonna, twenty 214 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: five years COT thirteen is homicide at the very beginning. 215 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: More of you, who has declared his innocence, let's just 216 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 1: be firm about that, stated that an animal attacked her. 217 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: But cop said, at the get guy, this was no 218 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: animal attack. Do I have that part right? Yes? Yeah, 219 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: you know, I'm learning more from Andrew Mormon than I 220 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: am through throughout the entire process. Take a listen now 221 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: to our friend Alan Janette at CBS for Denver, the 222 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: hardest thing. She's a beloved member of her family and 223 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: the sweetest person that you've ever met. The nephew of 224 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: forty nine year old Suzanne More if you talking about 225 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: what it's like to go through the difficulty of a 226 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: search that started after she went missing during a Sunday 227 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: bike cry. Family has said her husband, Barry, was out 228 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: of town in Denver. A friend called authorities when more 229 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: of you didn't return. The bike was found on Sunday, 230 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: the day as she would missing. The sheriff has not 231 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: yet shared information on the bike, but has told CBS 232 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: for the reason for her disappearances probably not animals. Extensive 233 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: searching in Chiefe County, about twenty miles west of Salida, 234 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: has not brought an answer on what happened to More 235 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: a few you know to Laurence shar Fox twenty one NS. 236 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: You spoke with Barry Morphey. He says he was devastated 237 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: looking for his wife, putting together the pieces. He refused 238 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: to do an in person interview and did not want 239 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: your phone interview recorded. Moreph you suggested Suzanne may have 240 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: been attacked by an animal, a run in with an 241 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: unknown person or someone she knew. What tell me what 242 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: happened on that phone call? Yeah, Nancy, So I've spoken 243 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: to him multiple times. In the first time, he did 244 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: mention the attack on a mountain or a mountain lion attack. 245 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: But the second interview I did with him over the 246 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: phone where I shared his audio from that, he didn't 247 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: mention the mountain lion at all. He strictly talked about 248 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: what had happened that weekend in Broomfield and how his 249 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: employees were there trying to fix a retaining wall in 250 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: Broomfield and that's where he was coming back from. Okay, 251 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: wait a minute, he said he was on his way 252 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: back when he got the call about Suzanne missing back 253 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: to Salida from Broomfield. Because I thought he was in 254 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: Broomfield when he got the call. Yes, he was there, 255 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: supposedly meeting with other people to work on the construction site, 256 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: and that's when he got the call. But you're telling 257 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: me he was already on his way back, Yes, before 258 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: having even met up with his co workers. Yes, the 259 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: co workers tell me they never saw Barry that weekend. 260 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: But what does he say. Yeah, he never mentioned that 261 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: he saw his co workers out all either no, no, no. 262 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: What I mean is he goes all the way out 263 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: of town, Mike King, he goes all the way out 264 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: of town for a job, I believe, on Saturday night. 265 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: Every indication we have is that he leaves Sunday morning 266 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: at five amlie spect the lasting that we have being reported. 267 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: And then there's there's question about it what time he 268 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: hears this. Even the most optimal and the most optimistic 269 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: time is that he gets the word at five pm. 270 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 1: But he still doesn't get home until nine o'clock if 271 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: we follow the Draper video, and that the statements that 272 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: Barry makes in the Draper video. So that's four hours 273 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: to make a two hour drive, which is also a 274 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: little bit odd. When did he have the coworkers show up? 275 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: About eleven? Okay, so by that point he had already left, 276 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 1: right Chris mcdonnough, Because what Lauren Trup is saying is 277 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: that he was already on his way back home when 278 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: he got the knees. That's what he told her. Yeah, 279 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: And that's one of the interesting things Shirt Nancy is 280 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: his timeline has shown messed up, and it actually gets 281 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 1: even a little bit better because during the search process. 282 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: There was a clerk that I actually interviewed thanks to 283 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,239 Speaker 1: Lauren in terms of she she had talked to her 284 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: first out of that supermarket, but I found a boy 285 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: who works there, him outside him. What was interesting about 286 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 1: the conversation here was he looks out there there's store 287 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: as clones right, it's in the in the early evening hours, 288 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: and one for short. He looks out he sees Barry 289 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: going through the trash outside and he's like, you know, 290 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: who's this guy? And he knocks on the door. The 291 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: door opens, and the first thing out of his mouth, 292 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: according to this witness, was Hey, I'm looking for a 293 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 1: baby blue bicycle helmet as machine a baby blue bicycle 294 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: helmet in the trash. And the clerk goes what and 295 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: then the manager steps says, can we help you? And 296 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: this is where the inform note is written about my 297 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: Susan's wearing the bike helmet and Shara no description of Susanne. 298 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 1: That was a huge, huge rent flag at Mike and I, uh, 299 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: you know, put together along with Lauren early on during 300 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: this situation show that's new Information and White Crans the 301 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:38,959 Speaker 1: first time we're told crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys 302 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: In the last hours, we're getting a flood of information 303 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 1: about the disappearance of Susanne Morphew. Her brother, not her husband, 304 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: seems to be leading the crusade to find her. With 305 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: Me an awesome panel including Ellen colaurin Crime Online, Lauren 306 00:19:55,720 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: Sharf Fox twenty one, Mike King, Chris McDonough from Profiling Evil, 307 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, and doctor Angela Arnold. I want to go 308 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: back to what you were just telling me with me, 309 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: Chris mcdonoh, Mike King, Mike King. Chris is saying that 310 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: somebody who looks out a window and sees more for you, 311 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: the husband digging through trash. When asked, Hey, what are 312 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: you doing? He says, have you seen a baby blue 313 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: bike helmet? Who spotted him? Where is this and when 314 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: is it? I didn't get that. Yeah, good, But it's 315 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: the little market right in town, and it is the employee, 316 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: a young man who's working there, who first notices this 317 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: and has the first conversation, and then the store manager 318 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: actually has a conversation, provides Barry with a piece of 319 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 1: paper to write the note that we now have a 320 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 1: copy of that says he's looking for the blue helmet, 321 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: the thing that was so odd is he's in the 322 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: garbage and the first thing out of his mouth is 323 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: I'm looking for a blue helmet? Holy cowhere did that 324 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: come from? What day was there? It was Tuesday, the following, 325 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: a couple of days after Suzanne was reported missing on 326 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: that Sunday. Why would he be looking in a dump 327 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: for that if he thought that she had had a 328 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: crash or been taken by an animal? Why would he 329 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: be looking in the trash behind the little market for 330 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: a blue helmet? And another thing, Lawrence sharf Am, I 331 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: correct that he told you he did not want that 332 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: phone call recorded, and he did not want to do 333 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: an in person interview. Yes, that first call that was 334 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: lasted thirty minutes. Yeah, he did not want that audio 335 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 1: of shared. And then a couple weeks later he called 336 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: me back for an hour, and that's the audio that 337 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: I shared. You know, I just keep thinking about everything 338 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:47,959 Speaker 1: you're telling me right now, and I'm projecting. I'm projecting 339 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: when I learned my fiance had been murdered, I remember 340 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: the moment exactly. I'll never forget it. Maybe I wish 341 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: I could forget it. No, no, no, I need to 342 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: know and I need to remember. But after all this time. 343 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: I remember it like it was yesterday, and I'm not 344 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: able to nail down Chris McDonald, Ellen, Colorina, if you know, 345 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: just jump in, Ellen, don't hang back. Did he learn 346 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 1: his wife was missing at the hotel where he had 347 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: left Sunday morning from home, presumably leaving her alive and well, 348 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: he drives about three hours away for a job. Did 349 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: he learn there or was he already in or out 350 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 1: back home? Because why do you bring a whole crew 351 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: of people to come do a construction site, build a 352 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: retainer wall, and then you don't stay to meet them. 353 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,719 Speaker 1: I thought the whole point was he was going to 354 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: scope the site on Mother's Day and was going to 355 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: meet up with them. When did he learn Chris mcdonnah, 356 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: what is he saying about when he learned Suzanne's missing. 357 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: There's a couple of different typees or different time frames Nancy. 358 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: And one of them is around five o'clock PM Sunday. 359 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 1: The other is a possibility of mid afternoon Sunday. And 360 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:19,479 Speaker 1: both of these one is from Barry himself, the five pm, 361 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: and the others from employees. Because when they got up 362 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: there on Sunday, it was kind of a rushed thing. 363 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: It was a situation where you know, he basically calls 364 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: them and says, you know, calls one particular witness and says, well, 365 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: we've got to get up there. We've got this job. 366 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: We've got to pick this wall, et cetera. Meat you 367 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 1: up there, well, that other that other employee, and I'll 368 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: let Lauren speak of this. That employee basically shays that 369 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: around four am. And not to confuse the issue, but 370 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: around four a Sunday morning, she believes she hears very 371 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: struck outside of her apartment, and so she gets in 372 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: gold panic, like, we gotta get calling. And by that time, 373 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: you know, he's on and then the phone calls comes 374 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: into this person who says, hey, get the crew together, 375 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: I'll meet she up there. And by that time they're 376 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,959 Speaker 1: on the road around eleven a Sunday, And so by 377 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: that shows between eleven okay, this is getting very convoluted. Yeah, 378 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: and that's not your fault, Chris mcdonnough is because the 379 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: nature of the way we're learning the facts, we're getting 380 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 1: different stories. A k Ellen k Lauren Crime Online. When 381 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: do we think Morphew says he learned his wife was missing. 382 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: He told me that he left around five o'clock when 383 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: he learned that, you know, he had a family emergency. 384 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: He called his crew around six or you're gonna have 385 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: to figure it out on their own, and that all 386 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: they knew was that it was a family emergency. Baby 387 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: held on talking, Lauren. Okay, tell me again, did you 388 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: say fall? He learned at five pm PM Sunday and 389 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: she was reported missing at least from the you know, 390 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: communication center in Chase County was at five forty six pm. Okay, 391 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: wait a minute question, do you, Lauren Sharff, What time 392 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: did they I'm calling them co workers. I don't know 393 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: that they actually worked together, that they were summoned by 394 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: him to come to this, to the Sainted to build 395 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: a retainer ball. What time did they get there and 396 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: he was already gone, Lauren. They didn't even leave Salida 397 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: until six thirty, so they didn't even be each other 398 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: at all. Okay, and they were leaving, they got a 399 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: call saying he wasn't going to be there because of 400 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: a family emergency, but to go ahead and start the 401 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: project on Monday morning. Take a listen to Suzanne's brother 402 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: Andrew Mormon speaking to our friend doctor Phil the EVI 403 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: information and instructed in the lineup, Phil he said, he's 404 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 1: all or at five am and he did not. And 405 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: how do you know that Tessa money from an employee 406 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: that he was rambling down the road texting people at 407 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: four in the morning trying to get him to go 408 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: to Broomfield and so can't be at home at five 409 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 1: and talking to somebody on the road at four, right, 410 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 1: that is so that the timeline doesn't add up at all, 411 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 1: not at all. You've got two nieces, Mallory who's now 412 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 1: twenty two and Macy who's sixteen. Would she go off 413 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: writing by herself or would she be in contact with them? 414 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: Would she go off the radar for seven days and 415 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: have no social media presence, no presence electronically for that 416 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 1: period of time with her daughters? Now? Absolutely? Ah, So 417 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: what we're learning from Suzanne's mother, he says, the e 418 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: V I. I guess that's the navigation on Morphey's truck 419 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 1: doesn't fit. What are we talking about, Ellen klaurin Crime Online? 420 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: That's all he said. But what it seems to be 421 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: is that the whatever data tracking device was on Morphew's truck, 422 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: Barry Morphy's truck does not line up with where he 423 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: told police he was at any at a given time 424 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: of that weekend. Now police have never once commented on 425 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: his alibi or confirmed it. So I think that part 426 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,199 Speaker 1: of the reason why there's so much confusion about this 427 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: timeline is that a big, big part of this timeline 428 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: so far has come from Barry, who may be contradicting himself. 429 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: There's a lot of confusion. I don't think that anyone. 430 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: I certainly can't say with any certainty where I think 431 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: Barry Morphy was at, you know, every hour of the 432 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: Sunday that Susanne Morphey went missing. So I would really 433 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: like to know what he told police and how much 434 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: does what the data shows deviate from what he told police. 435 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: To doctor Angel Arnold psychiatrists joining me out of Atlanta, 436 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: dr Angie, I can tell you're right now where I 437 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: was and where my husband was, where my children were 438 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: this past Sunday and the Sunday before that. I may 439 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: have to look at the calendar and figure every where 440 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,360 Speaker 1: we were the Sunday before that, but I know, how 441 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: can there be that much confusion surrounding the space of 442 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: ten hours. Well, Nancy, it sounds to me that you 443 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: know when people are trying to hide something, and when 444 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: they may not being be being truthful about something, they 445 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: have to keep rearranging their story and then they forget 446 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: what they say. And with all of the experts that 447 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: you have on your panel today, and this is so 448 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: hard for everybody to put together. I think it's so 449 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: hard for everyone to put together because there's so many 450 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: lives that are interwoven in. Thus, let me remind everybody 451 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: that's Susanne Morphey's husband, Barry Morphew insists he is innocent, 452 00:28:50,240 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with Susanne's disappearance. Crime Stories With 453 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, we are talking about the disappearance of the 454 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 1: gorgeous young mom, Suzanne Morphew. Now I also understand that 455 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: in the last hours we are learning their family home 456 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: has been put up for sale at about for about 457 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: one point seven five nine million dollars. You know, to you, 458 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: Mike King, I mean, I still have my fiance's pictures, baseball, 459 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: glove is, baseballs letters to me, have all that that 460 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: I see every day. It would be hard until I 461 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: knew the answer as to her disappearance, that I would 462 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: sell the home. Maybe there's some kind of financial problem 463 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: that I don't know about but if she could come home, 464 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: I would want the home to be there until this 465 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: case is resolved. You know what, that's a personal opinion. 466 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: And I know we're going round and round about the timeline, Mike, 467 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: but that's the way investigations are. If you sat me 468 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: down with my investigator working on a case, these are 469 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: exactly the way we would be talking about, well, what 470 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: is this and what is that? But didn't he say this? 471 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:16,239 Speaker 1: And didn't they say that? So, Mike, what times do 472 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: we believe? More? Few claims he learned his wife was missing, 473 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: Mike King, You know, I just have to go back 474 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: to the one solid piece is his testimony to Lauren Sharf, 475 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: where he says I left the home at five am 476 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: and she was sleeping. So even with that, then we 477 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: have to look at other evidence that has popped up 478 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: that we haven't been able to corroborate. We were, like you, 479 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: we have to live on what social media is sharing. 480 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: But suggestions that she was abruptly ending conversation the day 481 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: before on Facebook and then odd behavior later into the 482 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: evening on Facebook that was completely out of character, so 483 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: we can start to establish what seems like a more 484 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: credible timeline, and then of course the idea of when 485 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: did the email messages or the text messages start on 486 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: Mother's Day wishing her well to kind of establish communication baseline, 487 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: and then sending the neighbor over once and then twice 488 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: and in the response to return home, and then again 489 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: the time to get home, Nancy. I want to tell 490 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: you something. Barry did admit one inconsistency to me about 491 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: his timeline that he provided to investigators. But it was 492 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: about it was he told me it was a mechanical 493 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: thing to his Bobcat. That's the one thing that he 494 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: said that he mistakenly had confused. And you know, he said, 495 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: you know, I just found out my wife was missing, 496 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: and I didn't have that timeline right. As far as 497 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: what was wrong mechanically with his Bobcats, he wouldn't tell me. 498 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: So what would a bobcat have to do with the timeline? 499 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: He the one of the employees told me that he 500 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: was supposed to bring that to Broomfield for that job site, 501 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: but they never had it. When they got there, it 502 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: was it was not there. And from what I'm understanding 503 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: the brother is saying, Chris mcdonnough, is that the co 504 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: workers as I'm calling them, said, they're getting texts at 505 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: four a m. For barrymore few saying he is on 506 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: the road heading to Broomfield and he's trying to get 507 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: a team gathered to go build a retainer wall. That's 508 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: contrary to him telling Lauren Sharf he left his wife 509 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: at five am, alive and well asleep, soundly asleep. The 510 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: co workers are saying he was texting from the road 511 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: to Broomfield at four am. Chris, Yeah, no, that's a 512 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: good point, man, And I think this organic goes towards 513 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: that confusion where you know, he's trying to cross over 514 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: in dovetail into everything. But what we have from Barry himself, 515 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: like Mike said, was at zero five hundred, uh, you know, 516 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: in the morning he leaves Susanne in bed. We have 517 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: from one of the workers that was important to Warren 518 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: that she believes she hears his trunk outside of her apartment. 519 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: She says, I know it's Barry's trunk. I don't look out, 520 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: but I know it's his. So that's kind of, you know, 521 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: a little speculation or relationship to you know, her testimony. 522 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: But so that's kind of nailed. Doubt the timeline and 523 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: and you believe that it went a little bit further. 524 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: I don't have that information as to how you know 525 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: he came up with four am texting, but we do 526 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: know there was. We're getting that from one of the 527 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: co workers. They're the ones saying Morphy's texting them four am, 528 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: calling them trying to get a team together to go 529 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: bill a retainer. Well that's they're saying that. And certainly 530 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: local police can look at their cell phones and get 531 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: their cell phone records and find that out. Did they 532 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: have an income and call at four am, which would 533 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: be lie the statement he was still at home at 534 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 1: five am. But you know, you just mentioned so many 535 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: things that are unusual to me. Let's take a listen 536 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: now to Andy Mormon speaking to doctor Phillistar, cut thirty four. 537 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 1: What do you think happened to her? And why? I 538 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: mean just say this, she's hidden too well, Phil, her 539 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 1: bicycle has planted there. She was never on it. I 540 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: think she was abducted and in this case murdered. Abducted, 541 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: taken to a second location, and then ultimately murdered. Yeah. 542 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: I don't think she was taken to a second location. 543 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: I think it happened at home. So you think she 544 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: was murdered and then the body was taken to a 545 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: second location. Correct, And you think her husband is the 546 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 1: one that did this well, based on behaviors and things 547 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: that have happened. Yeah, I do, actually, and I praised 548 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: on you certainly hope it's not. And I understand that 549 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: you can't say that it is. But you've just been 550 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: suspicious of that for quite some time, correct, I have 551 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 1: no Let me understand something. Mike King, forty years law enforcement, 552 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: profiling evil dot com along with Chris McDonough profiling evil 553 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: dot com. If someone got on national TV and said 554 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: I committed a crime, I would sue them immediately, immediately. 555 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,320 Speaker 1: I mean, of course, unless it was true, then I 556 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 1: would hide. Okay. So has there been any fallout from 557 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: the brother going on Doctor Phiel for Pete's sake and 558 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 1: saying he thinks his brother in law committed murder. Has 559 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: there been a lawsuit or any cease and desist letters 560 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:58,320 Speaker 1: that we know of? I don't know of anything, Nancy, 561 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: I mean, Andy would have to ask answer that. Okay, 562 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: let me ask you a question about Chris mcdonnod just said, 563 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: Mike King that the female coworker said she recognized Barry 564 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,800 Speaker 1: morphused truck. Now, but my husband comes in the door. 565 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: I know it's him. He opens the door, close it. 566 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,359 Speaker 1: Then there's a really long pause. I don't know what 567 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: he's doing in the launder room, not the laundry. But 568 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 1: then I hear a certain yate coming down the hall. 569 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: I know that's David. Okay, different if it's John David. 570 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,720 Speaker 1: The door slams. The next thing, you know, running with Lucy, 571 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: you don't hear anything. She's like a ghost. You don't 572 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: even hear the door. Suddenly she's just there. Okay, So 573 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: how does the coworker know the sound a Barry morphused truck. 574 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 1: I'm curious is this the same female coworker that has 575 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: taken to the media. I said, we're not having an affair. 576 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: You know, that's really interesting, and I think about you 577 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: as a prosecutor and the other prosecutor on the show 578 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: with us today. There are cases where we use that 579 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 1: kind of evidence as parts of that circumstantial evidence to 580 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,359 Speaker 1: prove a point. Sometimes it smells, sometimes it sounds. In 581 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: this case, the individual indicated that it was a very 582 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: specific sound that this vehicle has. She's been in the 583 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: vehicle many times. She understands the sounds. When she heard it, 584 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 1: there was no question in her mind. And so you 585 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: got a penel weigh it pretty help. Or maybe it's 586 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 1: because hello, she works with him. They have a construction 587 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,800 Speaker 1: company going and she's in that truck all the time. 588 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: It reminds me, I'm sure none of you remember the 589 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:48,439 Speaker 1: Aristocrats where where one of the investigator dogs can hold 590 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: his ear up and he can tell what kind of car, 591 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: what model would make, and it is flat low air 592 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: in one tire. I mean, when you hear something so 593 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 1: many times, you recognize it. I want to remind everyone 594 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 1: this is a search for the truth, not relroading anybody. 595 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: Morphew says he's innocent. That's what he says. And he 596 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 1: has not been named with suspect, and he has not 597 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 1: been arrested. So what happened to Suzanne Morphew? Nancy Grace 598 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 1: Crime Story signing off goodbye for him