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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. While coming out of

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Speaker 1: Tiffany Justice to the podcast. Tiffany is the co founder

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Speaker 1: of Moms for Liberty, a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization empowering parents

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Speaker 1: to defend their parental rights at all levels of government. Tiffany,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me on today, Tutor. It's nice

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Speaker 3: to see you again.

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Speaker 1: It is good to see you too, and thank you

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Speaker 1: for what you did with Joy Read on MSNBC. Not

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Speaker 1: many people are willing to do that, and I just

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Speaker 1: want to I want to play a few clips from there.

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Speaker 1: First off, I think this is interesting because there is

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Speaker 1: this real narrative out there on the left that anybody

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Speaker 1: who fights against foreign in schools is banning books. So

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Speaker 1: listen to this exchange, and then we're going to talk

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Speaker 4: The books that are being banned. I want to give

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Speaker 4: you just.

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Speaker 5: But I want to be clear. No one's banning books.

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Speaker 5: We're talking about a public school library. Children don't have

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Speaker 5: unfettered access to the internet at school, and the subject

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Speaker 5: matter in the books that moms are concerned about are

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Speaker 5: the same things that kid don't have access to on

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Speaker 2: People aren't banning books.

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Speaker 1: I think it's funny because I'm old enough to remember

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Speaker 1: when it was actually the left banning books, truly banning

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Speaker 1: pieces of award winning literature in schools, and now they're

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Speaker 1: trying to say, oh, you're banning books. You're talking about

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Speaker 1: a book that is glorifying rape, that is glorifying incest.

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Speaker 1: And she doesn't want to talk about that, but that's

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Speaker 1: really what you're saying. I don't want this in my school, right.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And by the way, ninety percent of Americans don't

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Speaker 3: public schools. It's so concerning, tutor, when you look at

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Speaker 3: the literacy rates across the country, right, only a third

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Speaker 3: I was interviewing with Joy in New York City for

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Speaker 3: have some conversation about you know, I said, what about

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Speaker 3: very interesting conversation to have with her. You know, But

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Speaker 1: It's funny because they I mean, we talked about the

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Speaker 1: fact that they called parents terrorists. She accuses you of

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Speaker 1: problem as it is. Let's listen to this clip really quickly,

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Speaker 4: Do keyword searches and find so and keywords like rape

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Speaker 5: Yea sure or anal rape or bildo and so.

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Speaker 4: What you find is the keywords that you find, the

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Speaker 4: based on that, Moms for Liberty members are going to

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Speaker 5: So you have incest, rape, pedophilia, joy, You said you'd

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Speaker 5: let me answer, certainly, going to answer for you, and

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Speaker 5: what context is a strap on dildo acceptable for public school?

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Speaker 5: Just I mean, that's my question to you. Tell me

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Speaker 2: These are not out of context passages.

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Speaker 1: I take exception to that because this is the author

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Speaker 1: And they're saying, you're taking an out of context passage

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And to be honest, tutor, what we know. Doctor

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Speaker 3: bring up a really good point here. You know, My

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Speaker 3: point to Joy was this if she said, you know what,

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Speaker 1: And and what point do we want a child to

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Speaker 1: There's all of those questions that go through And obviously

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And there are many psychologists that'll tell you that

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Speaker 3: better conversations tutor about what should be happening inside those schools,

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Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast. Why does Joy Read so desperately

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Speaker 1: want this book in a child's library? And I asked

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Speaker 1: If I can be arrested for reading a pornographic book

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Speaker 3: Know that dildos aren't okay for public school. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'm just sitting there, Tutor, like, are you kidding me? Like, honestly,

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Speaker 3: It's just when Joy says things like, don't you want

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Speaker 3: you and I know is absolutely impossible. But you know,

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Speaker 3: hearing your child is in crisis and the school is

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Speaker 3: telling them, you know, oh, this is where you're safe.

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Speaker 3: You can have a chosen family. You know, the audacity

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Speaker 3: of the state to think that they know better than

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Speaker 3: our kids for the default position to be this parent

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Speaker 3: could be dangerous and so we have to protect every

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Speaker 3: child is a ridiculous argument. That's a ridiculous thing to say.

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Speaker 3: And these are government schools that we're dealing with. So

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Speaker 3: there are some really serious things that are happening in

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Speaker 3: these government schools. There's a wedge being driven between parents

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Speaker 3: and children, and parents feel it. I think they just inherently,

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Speaker 3: you know that you just know, right, this is too much.

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Speaker 3: You're pushing too much into my life. And so the

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Speaker 3: question I would have asked Joy last night or the

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Speaker 3: on Friday night, if I had had the chance, was

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Speaker 3: really like, what's your line? Joy, Like, what is it

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Speaker 3: going to be for you? That's going to be too

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Speaker 3: far that another adult is going to infringe on your

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Speaker 3: parential rights? Because I promise every parent has a line.

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Speaker 3: You know that's true.

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Speaker 1: Right, Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next

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Speaker 1: on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Would you be okay with

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Speaker 1: what happened in this book happening to your child? And

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Speaker 1: then saying, you know, wow, we welcome this transition in

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Speaker 1: their life.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing that I just can't understand

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Speaker 1: is how you can take something that society says this

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Speaker 1: is wrong, we literally have laws against it and put

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Speaker 1: it into the mind of a seven, eight, even fourteen

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Speaker 1: year old kid. How can you how can you ever

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Speaker 1: think that that's okay? But then you see this, and

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Speaker 1: I honestly think that Democrats are not wanting to talk

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Speaker 1: about this as much because it's a losing issue for them.

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Speaker 1: More parents are seeking out values based education, and that

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Speaker 1: goes from K twelve to college because universities are now

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Speaker 1: obviously completely off the wall, and so more parents are saying,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm realizing that my child. I invest

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Speaker 1: in my child every single day, and I'm going to

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Speaker 1: have to make a little bigger investment to get them

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Speaker 1: into an education environment where they're not endangered, where they

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Speaker 1: might actually come out and be able to function in

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Speaker 1: society instead of being told they're a victim, instead of

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Speaker 1: being told that they are not who they think they are,

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Speaker 1: that they don't know their own identity. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: or not we send a child there and get the

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Speaker 1: same child back. I mean, I want my kid to

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Speaker 1: learn history. I want my kid to learn math and

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Speaker 1: how to read and write. I don't want my kid

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Speaker 1: to come back and question everything about who they are.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and when you're dealing with a little kid who

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Speaker 3: believes in Santa or the tooth fairy, is it surprising

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Speaker 3: that they would think that maybe they were born in

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Speaker 3: the wrong body if that's introduced at five years old,

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Speaker 3: and that's that's what's happening, you know, and so on

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Speaker 3: you once we really talk to the American people and

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Speaker 3: we say, hey, listen, we need you to understand that

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Speaker 3: there are classrooms in America where five year olds are

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Speaker 3: being told that just because they were born a boy

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Speaker 3: with boy parts body parts, doesn't mean that they're really

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Speaker 3: a boy. That they're being told that maybe they were

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Speaker 3: born in the wrong body. First of all, one an

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Speaker 3: abusive thing to say to a child that their body

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Speaker 3: is somehow broken or right right right, And it's such

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Speaker 3: a good point.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's twisted like there's something wrong with you.

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Speaker 3: And shootor you know. I was talking to some moms.

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Speaker 3: I interviewed four moms whose kids had kind of gone

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Speaker 3: through this gender confusion. And you've got a teenager who've

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Speaker 3: got a couple burgeoning too. I've got eighteen, sixteen, fourteen,

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Speaker 3: and twelve, so I've got everybody right in the thick

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Speaker 3: of it. You know, there's a lot of stuff that

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Speaker 3: happens when you're a teenager in life. And you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've yet to meet the one. I've yet

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Speaker 3: to meet the girl who's like, yeah, puberty, it's so

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Speaker 3: incredibly right. I'm getting my period so fun. It doesn't

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Speaker 3: feel normal. You don't feel like you're you know, becoming

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Speaker 3: a beautiful woman. You feel like, oh my gosh, this sucks.

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Speaker 3: I don't no, it's not fun. Right, But in this

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Speaker 3: time in your kid's life where there's like a lot

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Speaker 3: of stuff happening that's normal. These kids are being told

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Speaker 3: that their body is broken and is wrong. And one

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Speaker 3: of the things that the mom said Totor was that

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Speaker 3: it's like this ultimate teenage rebellion. But the self loathing

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Speaker 3: that happens with the child, the way that they hate

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Speaker 3: themselves and they want to change who they are, and

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Speaker 3: it is so and everyone around them is, you know,

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Speaker 3: affirming that, right. It makes the child so unhappy and mean,

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Speaker 3: and it breaks the whole family apart. And it was

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Speaker 3: just heartbreaking to hear how these schools are having these

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Speaker 3: conversations with kids or their kids are on social media

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Speaker 3: and seeing this stuff and it is literally destroying the

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Speaker 3: children's lives and the families too. Right now is the

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Speaker 3: families fight back. And so you know, if anybody ever

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Speaker 3: wants to find out more for I don't know if

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Speaker 3: you've ever had Chris Elston Billboard Chris on your show

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Speaker 3: to talk about gender ideology. He's a guy from Canada,

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Speaker 3: a dad, and I met him tutor, and he told

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Speaker 3: me all of the members of parliament in Canada had

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Speaker 3: voted to make it consider conversion therapy if you did

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Speaker 3: not affirm your child's wants. To goodness, what all the

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Speaker 3: members of parliament. It was a unanimous vote. And when

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Speaker 3: I heard that a couple of years ago, I was like,

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Speaker 3: well that was I say, it's my Kamila Harris moment.

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Speaker 3: I was like, we have a very long border with Canada.

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Speaker 3: That seems like a very important decision that's happening right

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Speaker 3: to the north of us that could affect us, and

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Speaker 3: you know, sure enough, look where we are right now.

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Speaker 3: Would you ever think that these issues would have been

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Speaker 3: part of a gubernatorial campaign that you had.

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Speaker 2: No right as a mom.

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Speaker 1: I think what you said about self loathing is so

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Speaker 1: important because I don't think people think of it that

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Speaker 1: way because we've been told this is affirming and that

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Speaker 1: word it doesn't go it doesn't jive with self loathing, right,

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Speaker 1: But that is truly what this is. This is telling

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Speaker 1: a kid at the most vulnerable point of their life,

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Speaker 1: there's a reason you hate yourself, and it's because you're

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Speaker 1: not right. It's because you are You were built wrong,

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Speaker 1: you are one of the unfortunate few who ended up

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Speaker 1: in the wrong body, and you'll never be happy and

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Speaker 1: you'll probably kill yourself. I mean, that's what they're called.

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Speaker 3: And it's got to stop. We've got to stop it.

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Speaker 3: And that was really the thing. If who's going to

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Speaker 3: stop it, the government's not. We can't, you know, we

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Speaker 3: can't allow the government to draw the boundary. So it's

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Speaker 3: going to be moms like us. It's going to have

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Speaker 3: to be moms and dads that are going to redraw

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Speaker 3: the boundary between school and home that are going to

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Speaker 3: set the expectations for what we want happening in public schools.

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Speaker 3: And you know, Joy can say whatever she wants that night.

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Speaker 3: But the truth of the matter is the majority of

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Speaker 3: Americans that watch that exchange or with us, they do

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Speaker 3: not think that this subject matter is appropriate for public school.

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Speaker 3: They want kids to learn to read, write, and do

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Speaker 3: math when they're at school, and currently that's not happening.

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Speaker 3: And so we're just going to keep working to build

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Speaker 3: Moms for the Liberty. You know, more chapters. We need

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Speaker 3: more people to start chapters. So if you're listening to this,

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Speaker 3: if I could tootor just give.

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Speaker 2: The website, yeah, absolutely, please do.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. It's Moms for Liberty dot org. Go to

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Speaker 3: the website and click and see if you have a

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Speaker 3: chapter in your county. We're set up by county chapters.

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Speaker 3: And if we don't have one, click to start one

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Speaker 3: and be this brave person that stands with a torch

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Speaker 3: at liberty and says, join us. There is a difference

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Speaker 3: between adults and kids, and we need to protect the

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Speaker 3: future of children. And then you know, I mean you've

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Speaker 3: run for governor. You know now the real threat that

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Speaker 3: this country is under. I think Americans are waking up

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Speaker 3: to that more and more every day. We are in

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Speaker 3: real danger of losing our country. Another Biden presidency to me,

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Speaker 3: looks like the destruction of all of the If you

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Speaker 3: thought that our institutions were captured, now just wait, yeah,

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Speaker 3: because I think a lot of things will be changed,

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Speaker 3: and so we just have to fight where the generation

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Speaker 3: that knows that it doesn't have to be like this

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Speaker 3: and we need to fight for a better future.

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Speaker 1: I think we see that on so many levels with

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Speaker 1: the country. When you talk about losing the country, we

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Speaker 1: see it on so many levels. But when you're talking

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Speaker 1: about our kids, we know they go after kids first.

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Speaker 1: We know that they want to turn kids against parents.

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Speaker 1: We've seen this historically. I mean, that's the beauty of

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Speaker 1: actually learning history. You understand how it works. How they

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Speaker 1: go in and they manipulate the most vulnerable, and those

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Speaker 1: turn against the parents, and it's just a full disaster.

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Speaker 1: And so we appreciate the fact that you are out

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Speaker 1: there fighting every single day and even in the face

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Speaker 1: of all these insults and the horrible things that the

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Speaker 1: leftists are saying about moms for a liberty that you

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Speaker 1: stand strong. Tiffany Justice, thank you for doing this, Thanks

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Speaker 1: for coming on today, thank.

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Speaker 3: You, thank you for supporting all of our moms across

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Speaker 3: the country. Tutor, there's some of the bravest women I know.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and thank you all for joining us on the

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Speaker 1: Tutor Dixon Podcast. For this episode and others, go to

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