1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: Hey, there're folks. It is Wednesday, January twenty eighth, and 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: we are getting disturbing, damning details in a new course 3 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: filing that is shedding light on the double murder of 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 1: an Ohio couple found in the home with their one 5 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: and four year old kids. And with that, welcome to 6 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. This was and 7 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: I said its Ohio couple because so much of it. 8 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: The headline says Ohio dentist and his wife. This is 9 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: a couple that was targeted, according to the police, quite 10 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: frankly because of the ex husband of the woman and 11 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: not none of this made sense. But some of this 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: stuff here, sweetheart, sounds like this is a guy who stalked, 13 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: harassed and assaulted her four years. 14 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: Yes, I mean when we're now starting to get real 15 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 2: details coming from those who knew and loved the Tepees 16 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: the most, their friends, their family, and they are recounting 17 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 2: what happened specifically in the weeks leading up to their murders, 18 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 2: but even in the years before this, the threats, the 19 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: discussions that Monique had with her friends and family about 20 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 2: what she lived through and with her ex husband, and 21 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: this is some scary stuff. The phrase came to my mind. 22 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 2: When people tell you who they are, believe them. That 23 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: is exhibit A in this case. 24 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: And this is a new court document we're talking about. 25 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: But take you back to the murders. We're all talking 26 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 1: about Spencer and Monique Tepi, thirty seven and thirty nine 27 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: year old, respectively. But they were found dead December thirtieth 28 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: at their Columbus, Ohio home. Their one in four year 29 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: old children were left inside the home, unharmed and ropes. 30 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: This went on for several days because it was a 31 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: there was a killer on the loose, and they had 32 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: no suspect, didn't announce one at least killer on the loose. 33 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: This went a week and a half, Yes. 34 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 2: And they immediately police immediately ruled out murder suicide because 35 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 2: that was what people thought. Look, your two children are unharmed, 36 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 2: there's no sign of a burglary necessarily, and you have 37 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 2: two people shot in their bedroom, so yes, the obvious 38 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: thing would be murder suicide. However, there was no gun, 39 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: there was no murder weapon, so someone had to come 40 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: in and shoot these two and take that murder weapon 41 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 2: with them. But we had no clue what was going on. 42 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 2: Where the investigation was headed for days and days. 43 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: But it didn't make sense in a lot of ways, 44 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: even to you think about exes and past relationships. But 45 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: this was a guy she'd been married to. How many 46 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: years this had been over with? 47 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 2: It was nearly a decade since their divorce was finalized 48 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen. But when you start to look at 49 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: what their marriage actually was, she left within seven months 50 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 2: of being married to him, So the marriage was over 51 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 2: in seven months. Yes, we know how divorces go. It 52 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 2: takes a little bit of time. You gotta do some 53 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,399 Speaker 2: court appearances, etc. So yes, it was just under two 54 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 2: years of fish their marriage. But ten years later, nearly 55 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 2: ten years later, he's still that angry that he goes 56 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 2: and hunts her down and murders her and her new husband, 57 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 2: not even her new husband, her husband of nearly five years. 58 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: So this didn't make a lot of sense. But he 59 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: was officially arrested January tenth in Rockford, Illinois, which is 60 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: on the top of my head, I think it's. 61 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,399 Speaker 3: A seven hour it's a seven hour drive. 62 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: I got seven hours away, but arrested there. He works 63 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: at a hospital as a vascular surgeon, so we see 64 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: his arrest we start piecing together with this doesn't make sense. 65 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: But they were only married a short time, and they 66 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: lived this far apart, and they didn't have kids together. 67 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: None of this made sense. Well, we have now new information. 68 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: This affidavit for probable cause is what it's called, but 69 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: essentially the police putting together their case for why this 70 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: guy should be arrested and why they wanted a warrant. 71 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: Some of these details are absolutely explosive, beginning with the 72 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: fact they have video, according to police, of this man, 73 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: their suspect, being at the Teppee home weeks before the murders. 74 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is scary stuff. Michael McKee. 75 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 2: According to police, they have him on surveillance video at 76 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 2: the Tepee home. Now, he was seen entering an alleyway 77 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 2: and I guess he was on the grounds of their home. 78 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,119 Speaker 2: They don't say that he actually went into the home, 79 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 2: but he was. It seems as though now he was 80 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 2: surveilling this and he spent hours apparently on their property, 81 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 2: around their property while the Teppies weren't there. 82 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: They said hours. And I don't think I didn't see 83 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: anywhere and certainly not in the Affidavid that they have 84 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: evidence of him entering the home or staying in the 85 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: home or anything. But they see him on the grounds, 86 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: he goes somewhere I guess at least out of the 87 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 1: video site, and then hours later, what was he doing. 88 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 2: I mean, you'd have to think, given what he's accused 89 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: of now, what he's charged with, it he was planning. 90 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 2: Maybe he thought maybe he didn't know they were gone. 91 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 2: Maybe he thought this was his opportunity and he was 92 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: laying in waiter hiding. 93 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 3: For them to come home. 94 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 2: And they were at a big ten championship game and 95 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 2: they had a hotel room, so they weren't even coming 96 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 2: back that evening. Maybe he was waiting them out, Maybe 97 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 2: he was trying to surveil their comings and goings and 98 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 2: planning his murder. 99 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: Or did he know they would be gone but it 100 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: didn't look at her social media, But people get excited 101 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: about that rips I'm going in and did he take 102 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: this opportunity to do that survey lance we speak of, 103 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: or was that supposed to be murder day and they 104 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: just happened to be gone? But that game was significant. 105 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: It was in Indianapolis, I believe. Yes, it's a big 106 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: ten championship game. This is a big deal, Big ten championship. 107 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: She leaves early, leaves in the third quarter. The rest 108 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: of her friends a husband, stays behind and they're having 109 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: a good time at the game. She goes back to 110 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: the hotel. 111 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. Obviously, you pay a 112 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 2: lot of money for these tickets. 113 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 3: It's a big deal. It's very exciting. 114 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 2: They went with several other couples, so, yeah, this was 115 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 2: supposed to be some fun friend couple outing. And we 116 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 2: are huge college football fans. We know what a big 117 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: deal a game like this is. You don't leave early 118 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 2: unless maybe you're upset about how your team is doing. 119 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 2: But according to the friends who were with them, her husband, Spencer, 120 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 2: told the friends that Monique left early upset because of 121 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 2: something involving her ex husband. This is so interesting because 122 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 2: we now know he was at their home. He was 123 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 2: on their property that day. Was he texting her? Was 124 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 2: he saying something to her? Was he Who knows how 125 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 2: she coincidentally on the same day he surveiled at their home, 126 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 2: on their property, She's so upset by something involving him 127 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 2: that she leaves this game early and goes. 128 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 3: Back to the hotel. 129 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: I had to be related, I mean, obviously had to 130 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: be related, but you just wonder what it was. Was 131 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: he messaging her, did he send her a picture from 132 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: their grounds? 133 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 3: What? And then why, Yeah, wouldn't she call police? Wouldn't she? 134 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 2: Obviously she was upset, but didn't feel threatened enough to 135 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 2: involve law enforcement. 136 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 3: As far as we know, the husband. 137 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: Didn't go back with her. I so it almost didn't 138 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: seem like it rose to the level. But the fact 139 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: that she left means it rose to the level. Well, 140 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 1: it's very peculiar at least about that, but that is 141 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: a very very big detail to get. Also, another detail 142 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: we found out again this is piecing together. First of all, 143 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: December sixth they confirmed this was a day he wasn't 144 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: scheduled to be at work, but also on the day 145 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: of the murder, December thirtieth, his phone was left at work. Conveniently, 146 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: that phone was left at work and not a single 147 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: bit of activity on that phone for seventeen hours between 148 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: December twenty ninth and thirtieth. 149 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 2: And they say that's exactly how long they actually pieced 150 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 2: it together. If it's a seven hour drive there and 151 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 2: a seven hour drive back, that's fourteen hours, So that 152 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 2: gave him three hours to get into this home and 153 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 2: as Billy say, shoot to death both Monique and Spencer 154 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 2: Teppe get back in his car. Can you imagine those 155 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 2: seven hours driving knowing what he had planned to do, 156 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 2: and then those seven hours driving back. 157 00:07:58,520 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 3: It's mind bogger row. 158 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: That's seven hours you had to change your mind. That's 159 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: incredible again. 160 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 3: And yeah, nine years to get over something. I mean, 161 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 3: that's wild. 162 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: Well, it's wild to us, and we're trying to piece 163 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: this together, but folks, police are starting to put together 164 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: a case and maybe some motive and maybe some history 165 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: between these two. Stay here, we'll explain what else is 166 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: in this Affid David that shows and points to a 167 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: really disturbing and violent history between Monique Tepi and her 168 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 1: ex husband. 169 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 2: Stay here, Welcome back, everyone, as we discuss these new 170 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 2: chilling details that have just been released through a court document, 171 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 2: the Affid David. There, we're starting to get to see 172 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 2: what detectives have been piecing together surrounding the murders of 173 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 2: Spencer and Monique Teppi. Police say Monique's ex husband is 174 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 2: the man who murdered that couple, leaving their one and 175 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 2: four year old children unharmed in their home, but certainly 176 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 2: what a disturbing and difficult story to discuss because this 177 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 2: was a long time in the making. Monique left a 178 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 2: marriage that, according to her friends, was abusive emotionally and physically. 179 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 2: Monique apparently was telling her friends throughout the years about 180 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 2: his threats, about what he said to her, what he 181 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 2: threatened to do to her, and to see that nine 182 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 2: years plus since their divorce was finalized, it appears he 183 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 2: made good on those threats, and that is frightening. But 184 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 2: we are getting some of the details of what Monique 185 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 2: told her friends and family about her ex husband. 186 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: And again police are saying this is coming to them 187 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: from friends. They talk to a number of her friends 188 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: who have now at least painted a picture of horror 189 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: that she endured and frankly robes a lot of what 190 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: we are hearing or stuff we often hear about abusive 191 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: relationships and abusive marriages, and they always say, right when 192 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: the woman makes a decision to leave is the most 193 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: dangerous part of that relationship because he knows she's about 194 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: to leave, and this really makes things explosive. So she 195 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: got out of there. She got out of there in 196 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: seven months. But this is what according to police. We 197 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,479 Speaker 1: talked to her friends, this is what she endured. Abusive, 198 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: made numerous threats on her life during and after their marriage. Again, 199 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: he's innocent toil proven guilty. A lot more needs to 200 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: come out, but that now begins to read, now begins 201 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: to make some sense of a story that made no sense. 202 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 2: Yes, and friends also told police that they were together 203 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 2: while Monique was with Michael McKee, that he forced unwanted 204 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 2: sex on her, that he strangled her, he choked her. 205 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 2: So she claims that his emotional abuse absolutely turned physical 206 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 2: during their relationship, which would make sense that she made 207 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 2: a very i say smart decision to get out of 208 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 2: that marriage, or at least she was in her mind 209 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 2: at that point. Yes, she created distance. They moved to 210 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 2: Virginia for a residency program he was in, and she 211 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 2: moved back to Ohio seven months after they were married. 212 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 2: And you would think getting out, being free of him, 213 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 2: getting the divorce finalized, moving on with each of their lives. 214 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 2: He's a vascular surgeon, you know, he's got a presumably 215 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 2: a life and a future and is intelligent and can 216 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 2: move on. That's what one would think. And maybe she 217 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,359 Speaker 2: thought that that could be the case too, And unfortunately 218 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 2: that is not how it ended, so. 219 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: She had to feel safe. I say that, but I 220 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 1: wonder what has she been dealing with? How many more 221 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: they said here that the friends say numerous threats on 222 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: her life during and after their marriage. Did it continue 223 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: for the months following, a couple of years following, or 224 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: did it still continue up till her death? Don't know, 225 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: but obviously she was aware there were something Quite frank. 226 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 3: They don't have kids. 227 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: They got divorced. What'd you say, how long ago? 228 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 3: Almost a decade ago, twenty seventeens. 229 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: Almost no reason for them to have anything? 230 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 2: No, and yes, exactly. I mean they didn't share a pet, 231 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 2: they didn't have kids together. All of the things that 232 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 2: typically can even after years after a divorce, can still 233 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,719 Speaker 2: cause friction and problems. If you're fighting over money, you're 234 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 2: fighting over kids, you're fighting over child's of work. Okay, 235 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 2: all of those things can create emotional responses. But this 236 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 2: makes very little sense. However, this one line, and this 237 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 2: one is just so frightening. What friends told police that, 238 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 2: according to them, McKean told Monique he could kill her 239 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 2: at any time, he would find her, he would buy 240 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 2: the house right next to her, and that she would 241 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:15,359 Speaker 2: always be his wife. That's something out of a horror movie. 242 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 2: That is such a scary thing to read, and to 243 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 2: know what the outcome was, to know that he sat 244 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 2: there and just stewed and waited and found the right 245 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 2: time to make good on that scary threat. 246 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, we again, I've repeated it several times here 247 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: in a sense, he'll proven guilty. This is the case 248 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: they're putting together. But they certainly believe that they do 249 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: not have a killer on the loose out there who 250 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: killed these two people. They do believe they have their 251 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: guy and their guy as they are piecing this together, 252 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: at least if this is who believes this was as 253 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: strange as it sounds, a long time in the making, 254 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: according to what they put in. This aff for David 255 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: and Row is another one of those cases. How many 256 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 1: we watch a lot of true crime, We cover a 257 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: lot of crime stories. But you're seeing, once again, she 258 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: got out of a relationship, she should have been far 259 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: past that relationship, and she still ends up dead at 260 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: the hands according to the police, of someone she was 261 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: in a relationship with ten years ago. That's a tough 262 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: to understand. I'm waiting to see and hear these details. 263 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: But this is doesn't make any sense. They don't have 264 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: Have you seen anything about their back and forth over 265 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: the past year, two three? What were they in contact them? 266 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 2: No? And you would imagine if he was making threats 267 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 2: to her, if he was still finding a way to 268 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 2: threaten her long after their divorce was finalized, that that 269 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 2: would be documentable, that that would be they would be 270 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 2: able to find them on text messages, emails. I mean, 271 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 2: that's usually how you end up threatening someone, even maybe 272 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 2: even looking. 273 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 3: At phone calls, logged phone calls. 274 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 2: But you'd think she put enough distance between them, several 275 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 2: states in between them, or at least hundreds of miles 276 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 2: in between them, you'd think, Okay, he's not like he 277 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 2: lives in the same town, or that he does have 278 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 2: the house next door. You would feel safe, just logistically speaking. 279 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 2: And also, this is a man, despite his threats and 280 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 2: despite his temper and maybe his long held anger towards her, 281 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 2: this is a man who has taken a pledge to 282 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 2: save lives. He's a vascular surgeon. That is a very 283 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 2: specific talent, and the requirements to become a doctor, to 284 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 2: become a surgeon are significant, and your job is to 285 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 2: save lives. So to have that person stand accused of. 286 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 2: What he's accused of is is it's mind boggling on 287 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: so many levels. 288 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: And they certainly believe they have their guy. They again, 289 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: he was tracked down because of a vehicle he was 290 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: in that they noticed that they come into the neighborhood 291 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: or right around the time with the mergers a little before, 292 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: and then left right after they tracked him to that, 293 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: not just so showing the vehicle they say they have 294 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: him getting in and out of it. They actually see him, 295 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: so they are pretty sure they have their guy. That van, 296 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: by the way, of a vehicle he was in had 297 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: several plates, had Arizona plates, had stolen Ohio plates at 298 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: one at one point, so suggesting he did at least 299 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: try to evade capture or at least try to throw off authorities. 300 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: But roads a horrific, horrific story. And I don't know 301 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: detail was going to make it sound better, but man, 302 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: some of this makes it sound worse. 303 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, just trying to get just to know that he 304 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 2: was threatening her for so long and that she either 305 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 2: didn't reach out for the help she could have used, 306 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 2: or didn't take him seriously. This is just an unbelievably 307 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 2: tragic story. Now he has pleaded or he is going 308 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 2: to plead not guilty. According to his attorneys. He is 309 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 2: behind bars, being held without bond. But of course people 310 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 2: continue to follow this story, as so many of you 311 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: have been I know for the past several weeks. 312 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 3: We thank you for listening to us. 313 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 2: As always, I'm Amy Roebuck alongside TJ. 314 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 3: Holmes. We will talk to you soon.