WEBVTT - Leftist Indoctrination: from DHS, in College Debate, at Commencements...but NOT, in Monty Python 0:00:01.240 --> 0:00:01.640 Welcome. 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:04.720 It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with you, 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:06.960 and this show is going to deal a lot with 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:11.119 the insanity of the woke movement. A university program is 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:15.640 now linking Christians and Republicans to Nazis, and your tax 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:20.320 dollars are helping pay for that. Plus a very interesting debate. 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:23.720 It coverages and a scene that has now been deleted 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:26.479 that we're supposed to all say we're sorry it was 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:27.320 ever made. 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:28.720 Senator, great to be. 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:30.880 With you, and I want to first talk about this 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:36.599 university program. It's costing American taxpayer dollars. A grant through 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:40.800 the Department of Homeland Security is now linking quote Christians 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:43.920 and Republicans to Nazis. 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:46.400 Well, sadly, that's exactly right. 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:49.559 The Department of Homeland Security has a program called the 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:55.560 Targeted Violence and Terrorism Prevention Grant Program, which gives funds 0:00:55.640 --> 0:01:00.360 to quote establish or enhance capabilities to prevent targeted violence 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:03.160 and terrorism. So you might think, Okay, this is going 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:07.959 after al Qaeda, this is going after Jihadis, this is 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:11.880 going after you know, maybe it's going after klansmen, maybe 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:15.520 it's going after Antifa, it's going after people who engage 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:18.160 in acts of violence and terrorism. 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:20.120 Well, you would be wrong. 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:24.600 The Biden administration is awarded eighty grants through this program, 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:28.679 totally just under forty million dollars. The lowest grant was 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:31.960 for eighty five thousand dollars, the highest was just over 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:36.640 one point one million, and one of the grantees who 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:39.160 got three hundred and fifty two thoy one hundred and 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:46.320 nine dollars was Prevents Ohio program to quote draw on 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:50.560 the expertise of the University of Dayton faculty to fight 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:55.640 domestic violence, extremism, and hate movements, and the university's grant 0:01:55.680 --> 0:02:02.080 application linked to a controversial Dayton conference where an academic 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:07.600 researcher presented a chart that is entitled the Pyramid of 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:12.520 far right Radicalizations. Now, what are the organizations and movements 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:13.600 displayed on the pyramid? 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:16.080 One is the Republican. 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:22.239 Party, another the Heritage Foundation, another the American Conservative Union, 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:27.480 another Fox News, another Breitbart News, another the National Rifle Association, 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:31.560 another Praeger University, another the Tea Party Patriots, another the 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:35.760 Make America Great Again movement, another the pro police Blue 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:40.320 Lives Matter movement, and another the Christian Broadcasting Network. 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:41.320 Wow. 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:45.520 All of those right of center, very mainstream organizations. What 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:50.160 does the pyramid link them to? Hate groups like the Base, 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:54.480 which is a neo Nazi paramilitary group, and the Daily Stormer, 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:56.240 which is a pro Nazi publication. 0:02:57.960 --> 0:02:58.080 Uh. 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:05.200 This The application from the University of Dayton linked to 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:09.080 a video of the conference, describing it as showing the 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:14.520 university's work quote to assess regional needs and capacities for 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:19.840 violent extremism prevention. One of the speakers at the conference, 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:26.040 a research at the University of Cincinnati called Michael low Adenthal, 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:31.440 presented the Pyramid of far right radicalization, said it was 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:36.520 an accurate description of the modern far right. And if 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:45.360 you look at this particular individual, he is an extreme individual. 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:56.680 If you look at his background, this lecturer Loadenthal, who 0:03:56.720 --> 0:04:00.360 at the time described himself as a medical worker who 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:05.280 provided abortion services, So he's an abortion provider. He's frequently 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:10.800 retweeted Antifa counts and defends left wing violence on social media. 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:14.560 That's one of the guys presenting. So who else is 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:22.320 presenting at this organization. Well, there are other extremists, such 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:29.400 as a fellow named Alexander Hinton. He is a professor 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:34.880 at Rutgers University who specializes in genocide, and at the 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:39.520 conference he compared the Trump administration to the Khmer Rouge. 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:44.600 The Commer Rouge for pole Pot killed an estimated one 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.880 and a half million to two million people in Cambodia. 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:50.880 The last I checked the Trump administration didn't have death camps, 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:53.760 and the last I checked the left actually likes Communist 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:58.960 death camps. But another speaker, a woman named Nicole Wittersheim, 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:06.160 Deputy Washington director for Human Rights Watch, compared Florida Governor 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:11.200 Ronda Santis proposing a volunteer civilian military force to assist 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:15.599 the National Guard and emergencies such as hurricanes to the 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.640 Holocaust that the Nazis carried. 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:19.400 Out in World War Two. 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:21.279 These are. 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:26.120 The radicals who are being funded by the Joe Biden 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:27.320 Department of Homeland. 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:30.719 Security now Senator to be queer for everyone that's listening, 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:33.880 if a private group wants to do this, there's many 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:35.480 private groups to do this all the time. 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:37.159 That's one thing. 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:42.880 It's completely different when you're taking federal dollars, tax dollars 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:46.600 that are now going to this type of hateful propaganda 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:51.279 and advocating for things that are just clearly not true. 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:53.240 How are they getting away with this. 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:58.359 Well, okay, so their defense is they say, actually, the 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:02.240 seminar with all these radical speakers, that seminar itself was 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:03.160 not funded by the. 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:04.480 Department of Homeland Security. 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:08.640 Instead, the organization that put on the seminar got funds 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:11.599 later from DHS and pointed to the seminar as an 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:14.560 example of the great work they do. And the Biden 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:17.479 DHS said, oh, that sounds great to us, and was 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:22.039 happy to spend your and my tax dollars supporting a 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:26.200 group that apparently sees no difference between the RNC, between 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:35.400 the Heritage Foundation, between Fox News and Nazis, an organization 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:40.800 that sees no difference between genocidal, murderous communist and the 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:46.760 Kamer Rouge, and the Trump administration. That is, it's the 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:51.080 latest example of the Biden administration being more than happy 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:55.600 to weaponize the federal government, to use the powers of 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:59.839 the federal government to target you, to pay people who 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:03.280 you you. I'm willing to bet that a fair number 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:05.080 of the listeners of this pot and by the way, 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:07.599 I got to say that I'm a little disappointed that 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:11.080 they listed the NRA and Fox News and the RNC, 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:15.080 and apparently verdict didn't make the list. I mean, heck, 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:18.240 I actually feel if they're listing what they think is 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:21.120 evil in the world, we got to work a little 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:26.080 bit harder because because we haven't apparently reached the level 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:31.480 of evil that these lunatics ascribed to places like but Breitbart. 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:33.600 Well, it's because they haven't officially named you as are 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:35.880 verdict as a terrorist group, right. I mean, that's how 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:39.280 you hide these money, these dollars. The Biden administration doing 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:43.600 out these tax dollars to quote anti terrorism grant initiatives, 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.040 And that's part of how by the way they disguise it, 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:50.200 they say, well, who would be against giving tax dollars 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:55.040 to anti terrorism grant initiatives? To a university program that 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:59.560 is doing that, That's how you justify And I think 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:02.000 there's so how many people do you just assume if 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:04.360 you name it something like that, right, we're gonna give 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:07.200 a lot of tax dollars to anti terrorism grant initiative. 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:09.840 Most Americans if you heard that, would say, well, of 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:11.680 course I'm in favor of that. Of course I'm in 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:16.040 favor of using our tax dollars for anti terrorism initiatives. 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:19.440 That is not what they're doing here at this university program. 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:20.400 It is not. 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:23.680 They are engaged in propaganda, and the propaganda is saying 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.960 that anyone right of center is a terrorist, anyone right 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:29.000 of center as a Nazi, anyone right of center as 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:32.600 a klansman. It is the vicious lie that the radical 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:36.679 left pushes often, but it is not. Look if they 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.360 want to say that, that's fine, but why is the 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:44.120 government funding this. 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Let's talk quickly 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.760 about the financial side of this. The Biden administration we 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:27.880 now know is awarded these eighty grants through this group. 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:33.840 This TVTP totally just under forty million dollars. 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:34.439 Now. 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:36.920 The lowest grant we've been told was Forrady five thousand, 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:39.920 the highest was for over one point one million, and 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:44.559 the median was about four hundred and forty two thousand dollars. Now, 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:48.400 these grant recipients are quote prohibited from engaging in viewpoint 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:52.640 discrimination according to DHS. Well, if that is the standard, 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:55.960 then I think it's pretty obvious that they are in 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:58.400 violation of that quote standard right away. 0:10:58.440 --> 0:10:58.680 Here. 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:01.080 Look, I think that's exactly right. 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:05.640 This particular organization prevents Ohio program got three hundred and 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:09.079 fifty two thousand dollars, and given the history of this program, 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:13.240 given that they're pointing to this radical conference as evidence 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:15.960 of the kind of work they do, I have no 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:19.520 confidence that any acts of violence will be prevented by 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:22.920 this organization, that any terrorism will be prevented by this organization. 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:27.679 In fact, I have no confidence that this group will 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:31.400 even admit who is in fact a terrorist organization. If 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:34.120 you're identifying the Heritage Foundation, listen, you and I have 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:36.400 both been to Heritage Heritage as a building a couple 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:39.640 of blocks from Capitol Hill. It's this big building with 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:43.640 lots of scholarly academic folks, typically sitting in cubicles with 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:47.560 very thick glasses, writing very dense white papers, and about 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:49.640 the only act of violence you might get from a 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.720 Heritage Foundation scholars. You might get a paper cut from 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:56.319 picking up their white paper, but they are not fire 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:59.880 bombing cities, they are not looting stores, they are not 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:03.040 blowing places up. They're not doing the sorts of things 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:05.960 actually that the radical left that Antifa is doing. But 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:12.080 of course this organization would never target Antifa because look, 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:14.960 we've talked about this quite a lot that the distressing 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:19.800 reality is this bided administration, I believe, is perfectly fine 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:24.680 with political violence if it serves their partisan interest. It's 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:27.720 why to this date, Merrick Garland has not prosecuted a 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:31.640 single individual breaking the law by protesting in front of 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:35.120 Supreme Court justices homes night after night after night, because 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:39.600 he supports that lawlessness, and the administration doesn't care if 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:41.439 it's directly contrary. 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:41.640 To federal law. 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:44.120 Now that we know how this money is being spent, center, 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:46.480 is there any way that the House could look into 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:49.800 this spending and hold Department of Home and Security accountable 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:51.480 for quarly abusing these funds. 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:55.280 Absolutely, and I hope the House holds hearings on this. 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.520 The Senate should as well, but Senate Democrats don't care, 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.520 so that they're not going to old hearings on this, 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:06.080 because they're perfectly fine with the money being spent in 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.600 this way. But the House ought to have hearings on this, 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:10.080 and I very much hope they do. 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:13.280 I want to move on to another issue that actually 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:17.280 is connected to this woke agenda even more. You are 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:23.479 now calling out debate coaches who actually have banned students 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:29.040 from saying the words illegal immigrants. One coach told students 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:32.400 that if they use the term illegal quote unquote to 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:36.600 describe an immigrant, then he will give you, quote a 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:42.280 stern lecture and doc points from your team. Debate is something, 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:44.120 by the way, that I did in high school. 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:46.160 Loved it. You did it in high school. 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:49.920 I'm sure I'm guessing, but I feel very confident you did. 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:53.040 And you obviously did debate I'm sure in college and 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:55.720 then mock trial and things like that. The idea that 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.200 you can't have a real debate, and these coach are saying, 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:01.600 we're going to force you into certain words terminology you 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:04.680 want to talk about a freedom of speech problem. 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:06.080 In my opinion, this is it. 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:09.480 Well, I will say, Ben, that's actually a wager. You 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:14.480 would have lost a lot it. Wow, I wanted you 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:16.760 would have lost that. I wanted to do debate in 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:18.440 high school. But I went to a little bit of 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:21.720 school in Houston, Second Baptist High School, which you're well 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:25.720 familiar with it. And at the time my graduating class 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:27.840 was forty three and the school was too small, it 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:31.120 didn't have a debate team. So I was, if there's 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:34.040 anything geekier than a high school debater, it's a high 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:40.160 school debater wanna be, which is what I was. And 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:42.720 so yet, you know, I mean, I didn't get to 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:46.600 hang around, you know, cool varsity tennis players like Ben Ferguson. 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:51.720 But when I went to college, I managed to achieve 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:54.080 my aspirations and I became a college debater. And I 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:58.240 spent almost every weekend all four years at Princeton doing 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:02.000 college debate and loved it and learned an enormous amount 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:05.440 from it. And there's an article that came out just 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:07.760 a week ago, and it's an article in the Free 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:11.480 Press by an individual named James Fishback, and it's entitled 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:12.560 it high school Debates. 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:13.360 Debate is no. 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:17.640 Longer allowed, and it talks about an amazing thing going 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:23.359 on where there are now debate judges that are debating 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:31.120 in that are judging college debate in NSDA, which is 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:33.200 one of the college debate tournaments, not the one I 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:36.240 competed on, but it's another one that's heavily on the 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:42.840 West coast. And he goes through the profiles from a 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:46.920 number of judges and what they described. So one judge 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:53.880 is someone named Lilah Lavender who was National debate Champion 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:59.640 in twenty nineteen. And according to the bio of Lilah Lavender, 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:06.080 quote before anything else, including being a debate judge, I'm 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:11.520 a Marxist, Leninist, maoist. I cannot check the revolutionary proletarian 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:14.440 science at the door. When I'm judging, I will no 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:21.600 longer evaluate and thus never vote for rightist, capitalist, imperialist 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:26.760 positions arguments. Examples of arguments of this nature are as follows. 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:32.640 Fascism good capitalism, good imperialist war, good neoliberalism, good. Defenses 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:38.640 of the US are otherwise bourgeois nationalism, zionism or normalizing 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:46.080 Israel colonialism, good US white fascist policing good, etc. That 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:50.840 is astonishing. By the way, there's another judge whose bio 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:57.080 says some judge named Shubham Gupta, and his judge his 0:16:57.240 --> 0:17:00.760 bio reads, quote, if you are discussing immigrants in a 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:04.680 round and describe the person as quote illegal, I will 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:07.479 immediately stop the round, give you the loss with low speaks, 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:10.560 low speaker points, give you a stern lecture, and then 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:12.600 talk to your coach. I will not have you making 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:16.159 the debate state space unsafe. Well, mister Gupta, let me 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:19.520 tell you something. The word illegal alien is in federal law. 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:22.520 It is United States law, and the fact that you 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:28.560 are a little Marxist doesn't change reality. Another judge, Judge 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:34.240 Christy Sharma, writes a list of quote things that will 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:39.080 cause you to automatically lose. Number three is referring to 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:44.320 immigrants as illegal. So I want you to think of this, 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:57.359 this lavender person who describes themselves as a Marxist, Leninist, Maoist. Now, 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:00.439 it is apparently the standard, at least with these judges 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:03.399 in college debate that unless you argue for communism, you 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:08.080 will lose. That's not debate, that is indoctrination, that is 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:13.160 repeating Pravda. And I got to say, look, I'm someone 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:16.919 who as a debater, I learned an enormous amount and 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:18.600 by the way, I had to debate lots of positions 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:21.960 I didn't agree with in many ways you learn more 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:26.240 debating a proposition you disagree with, and you learn debating 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:30.119 something you agree strongly with. I'll tell you one of 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:33.399 my favorite stories. So, my debate partner in college was 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:37.159 a guy named David Panton, and he was my college roommate, 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:39.680 my law school roommate. Other than Heidi's my closest friend 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:40.440 on planet Earth. 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:43.680 You met David in fact. 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:46.640 We played tennis and pickleball together. It's a great guy. 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:51.520 David and I we were debate. 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:56.159 Partners, and we got tired about in debate people whining 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:59.000 and complaining about whatever case it was you ran, and 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:03.440 they would complaining, oh, it's unfair, the case is a truism, 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:07.680 it's tautology, and they'd spend the entire debate round whining 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:10.159 that it was unfair to debate whatever it was that 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:12.879 you were proposing. And so we came up with a 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:16.160 way to avoid that. And what we would do at 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:18.760 just about every single case where we were the affirmative, 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:22.560 where we were presenting a case, is we'd give the 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:25.119 opposing team the option of which side to take. So 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:30.000 I'd stand up and present the initial speech of the 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:33.040 debate round, and I'd say, you know, all right, let's 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:35.520 take one of the issues that is apparently no longer allowed. 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:42.040 Capitalism is the most effective economic system ever to exist 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:43.920 on planet Earth. And I'd turn to the other side 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:45.760 and say yes or no, which side do you take? 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:51.920 And if they'd pick, all the whining disappeared from the 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:55.440 round because once they picked, they couldn't complain gosh, it's 0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:57.760 unfair the side I picked, because you morons. 0:19:57.400 --> 0:19:58.159 Picked that side. 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:00.639 And if they refused to pick, I'd typically flip a 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:03.320 coin take one side. But even that eliminated the whining. 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:07.080 I mentioned that because there was there was one round 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:11.440 in particular, so senior year. Towards the end of senior year, 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:14.479 David and nine competed at what was called a hybrid tournament. Now, 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:17.880 hybrid tournament was you teamed up with a debater from 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:22.880 another school, and the rules were that if you made 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:25.359 a final tournament, if you made a final round in 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:27.040 a tournament, you qualified. 0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:28.240 For the national tournament. 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:30.680 And so David and I had both qualified for NATS 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:33.480 at that point, we decided we'd go to hybrid. We'd 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:35.679 go to the hybrid tournament and team up with other folks, 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:39.240 and so I teamed up with a guy from University 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:42.560 of Maryland, Baltimore County named Slash Kendig Slash. It was 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:45.240 a fantastic debater. He had long hair and a beard. 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:48.200 He had a leather jacket with I think thirty seven 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:51.920 razor blades on it. One he said, for every woman 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:56.600 that had broken up with him and cut his heart, Slash. 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:01.160 Against the debate, Right, that's the guy you don't want 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:02.800 to go up in debating agains. 0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:03.680 Yeah. 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:07.080 Look, he was like a you know, biker outlaw was 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:09.600 the sort of image he portrayed, and I was a 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:12.600 pretty buttoned up, you know, Princeton guy. And so we 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:16.399 debated together and we called ourselves Armageddon a because it 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:19.280 was sort of such a bizarre combination. We were friends 0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:21.639 and got along very well, but he he was very 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:25.240 far left and I was very conservative. And we ended 0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:28.000 up in the fifth round, which was the final closed 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:32.679 round of the tournament, hitting my normal debate partner David Panton, 0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:36.440 who's Jamaican. He's from Jamaica's not American, he's Jamaican. And 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:41.080 I decided to run a case the United States is 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:44.280 or is not the greatest country in the history of 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:48.840 the universe. And I turned to David, who's beating the opposition. 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:54.280 And by the way, Slash, who was my partner, thought 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:56.479 the case was a falssm. He thought there was no 0:21:56.520 --> 0:21:58.560 way on earth you could make the case the argument 0:21:58.640 --> 0:22:00.720 that the America is the greatest country in the world. 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:02.320 I thought it was a truism. I thought it was 0:22:02.359 --> 0:22:05.159 indisputably true. I get up a minute into the speech. 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:07.480 I turned to David and say which side would you take? 0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:09.760 And David, grinning ear to ear. 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:11.760 Says we will take that it is. 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:15.760 And he made me argue that America is not the 0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:17.359 greatest country in the history of the world. Now you 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:19.840 gotta understand, David is Jamaica, He's not American. 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:21.720 But he knew that. 0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:26.680 I believed that case with every molecule in my body, 0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:32.040 and I'm proud to tell you David whipped my ass. 0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:35.840 I couldn't effectively make the case that America is not 0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:37.919 the greatest country in the history of the world. And 0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:41.359 so Slash and I lost the round badly. But I 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:47.439 mentioned that to say in apparently today's college debate, what 0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:50.200 David and I did would no longer be allowed because 0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:55.800 these radical Marxist Leninist Maoist judges who apparently don't care 0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:59.920 about debate. They don't actually believe debate matters. That judge 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:01.800 would sit there and go, oh, you said America is 0:23:01.840 --> 0:23:04.560 not the greatest country. You win, doesn't matter. You could 0:23:04.600 --> 0:23:08.360 You could sit there and and and and whistle you 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:10.520 you can just read the phone book. Doesn't matter what 0:23:10.600 --> 0:23:13.399 you do. You win because I'm I'm a Marxist and 0:23:13.440 --> 0:23:19.080 I agree with your position. That is so destructive to 0:23:19.160 --> 0:23:22.840 the very essence of debate, and it's destroying what is 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:27.359 an incredible teaching experience for for college kids. I got 0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:29.240 to admit this story has me horrified. 0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:32.240 It's an indoctrination aspect of this as well. 0:23:32.320 --> 0:23:36.200 Right, you can play and do this as long as 0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:40.080 you say, and we indoctrinate you to believe a certain point. 0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:41.840 When I when I was in high school, I had 0:23:41.880 --> 0:23:44.959 a debate and I remember this and it was like 0:23:45.040 --> 0:23:49.000 a very weird moment for me, and the debate coach 0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:51.119 was amazing and he said, all right, one of you 0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:53.520 is going to take the side that we that is 0:23:53.640 --> 0:23:56.320 right to ban the burning of the American flag, and 0:23:56.359 --> 0:23:59.040 the other is going to, you know, obviously, take the opposite. 0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:02.840 And I had to argue both sides once in one round. 0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:04.600