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Speaker 3: That's right, Let's see Rob, you good if we kick

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Speaker 3: things off with some messages about our series on Kartchner Caverns.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do it.

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Speaker 3: Kartchner Caverns is a cave system in Arizona that Rob

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Speaker 3: you visited earlier this year with your family, and then

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Speaker 3: we did some episodes on it about its native bat

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Speaker 3: that was an interesting topic and a lot of people

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Speaker 3: had thoughts Cartchner Caverns. So I'm going to do this

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Speaker 3: first message from Angela subject Caverns. Hey guys, longtime listener,

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Speaker 3: love the show, Thanks for such interesting topics. Just finish

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Speaker 3: listening to the first part of your Kartchner caverns episode, Man,

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Speaker 3: did that bring back memories? For context? I don't like

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Speaker 3: enclosed spaces. I really really don't like being stuck in

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Speaker 3: the dark. But I'm also a let's go it might

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Speaker 3: combination of personality traits anxious but also game, it makes

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Speaker 3: for a lot of stressful situations. So Angela says we

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Speaker 3: were visiting. We were in Kentucky visiting Angela and she

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Speaker 3: doesn't say who. I guess friends or family. We were

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Speaker 3: in Kentucky visiting. As we were driving, we noticed a

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Speaker 3: go to a tavern.

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Speaker 2: Okay to this story is starting off like a horror movie,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, preferring taverns to caverns right. Regardless, my traveling companions

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Speaker 3: I started putting my mind at ease, remembering that cute

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Speaker 3: Atari spilunking game and trying to remember it's what I'm

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Speaker 3: sure we're equally adorable sounds. I had to look this

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Speaker 3: up because I've never played this game, but rob I

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Speaker 3: So it's one of these games where you know the

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Speaker 3: classic little Lodix bittoon sound when you pick up a

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Speaker 3: enclosed space is the creepy prehistoric atmosphere, the eerie silence.

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Speaker 3: The bats were their bats. I don't even remember, but

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Speaker 3: Smiley face. Thanks for the cool show, Angela. Now, Angela

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Speaker 3: doesn't say exactly what this cave was or where it was,

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Speaker 3: the is the Lost River Cave in Bowling Green, Kentucky.

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Speaker 3: So this is a cave that actually does have boat tours.

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Speaker 3: And I watched like a video somebody made of going

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I never visited that particular Kentucky cave. I think

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Speaker 3: So there's a funny thing about the Lost River Cave

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Speaker 3: According to local lore, during the Prohibition era, this cave

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Speaker 3: there because Billboard magazine called it the only air conditioned

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Speaker 3: Jimmy Stewart's publicity. Now that's not Jimmy Stewart, James. That's

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Speaker 3: This is different a bowling green Jimmy Stewart. Quote. It

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Speaker 3: was Jimmy Stewart's publicity. The Bowling Green, businessman who owned

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Speaker 3: the club from nineteen thirty four to nineteen forty nine.

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Speaker 3: That turned the club into a swinging place. Throughout the

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Speaker 3: big band jazz era of the nineteen forties, many famous

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Speaker 3: musicians and singers performed at the Cavern Nightclub. Big names

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Speaker 3: like Dinah Shore and Francis Craig with his NBC Orchestra

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Speaker 3: the article goes on to describe how eventually the club

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Speaker 2: Now, speaking of caves used for music up in Grundy County, Tennessee. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you've got the caverns, Joe. Have you ever been to

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Speaker 3: But the show I saw was not great. I actually

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Speaker 2: Sometimes that's good. It depends what you're seeing, Like if

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Speaker 2: I mean not off a little bit, and that's fine.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't ambient. It was like it was like a

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Speaker 3: It was rather a somnolent experience experience. But yeah, but

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Speaker 3: I would like to go back there someday to yeah,

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Speaker 2: Jazz? Yeah, jazz, which would brand of jazz would be

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I guess Dinah Shore is not playing anymore.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's see what's next in the old mail bag.

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Speaker 2: This one comes to us from Bill. Bill writes Robin Joe,

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Speaker 2: thank you for entertaining and educating me for close to

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Speaker 2: a decade. Now. I was so glad to hear you

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Speaker 2: take on Cartooner Caverns a wonderful place. I visited it

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Speaker 2: once many years ago and was just thinking about returning

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Speaker 2: after recently checking out Carlsbad Caverns highly recommended, and feeling

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Speaker 2: the draw back to my caving days. Lehman Caves in

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Speaker 2: Great Basin National Park is also phenomenal, with unique formations

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Speaker 2: called shields that are a bit of a mystery now.

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Speaker 3: As a family. We have visited caves together before in

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Speaker 2: Very cool. Yeah, all right, well, I appreciate that field

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Speaker 2: comes to us from Sheldene, subject line cave conservation. She writes, Hey, guys,

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Speaker 2: probably did not have the determination, But I also don't

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Speaker 2: think I had the lips for these instruments. Looking back on.

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Speaker 3: It, I'm gonna reflect on my own experiences and say,

436
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Speaker 3: I think a big problem was I did not practice enough,

437
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Speaker 3: because it was not very enjoyable to practice a trumpet

438
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Speaker 3: by myself alone at home, and I got the feeling

439
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Speaker 3: that other members of the house did not like that either.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, that's always one of the challenges with a

441
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Speaker 2: musical instrument in the house, for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Anyway, the message goes on to say, these are

443
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Speaker 3: usually oh okay, the experiences, the horn related experiences. These

444
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Speaker 3: are usually regional affairs. But in twenty twenty five, the

445
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Speaker 3: International Horn Symposium was hosted by James Madison University in

446
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Speaker 3: the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia. With it being so close

447
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 3: to my home in North Carolina, I had to attend.

448
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Speaker 3: One of the add on opportunities for symposium attendees was

449
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Speaker 3: a tour of the nearby Louay Caverns. This cave system

450
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Speaker 3: is known for the Great Stalac Pipe organ, a lithophone

451
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Speaker 3: that produces sound when beaters strikes stalactites and stalagmites of

452
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Speaker 3: different sizes. We were lucky enough to add some additional

453
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Speaker 3: music to the space. The group of right around fifty

454
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Speaker 3: of us horn players brought I wish this email would

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Speaker 3: continue with horn the holy I'm going to say hornists.

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Speaker 3: Fifty of us hornists brought our horns on the tour.

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Speaker 3: When we reached the cathedral room where the organ keyboard

458
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Speaker 3: is located, we stopped and performed two pieces. One was

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Speaker 3: written to be premiered on that day in that space,

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Speaker 3: with the specific intention of using the cave itself as

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Speaker 3: a musical tool, incorporating the reverberation of the space. The

462
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Speaker 3: second was a beautiful arrangement that combined the tune Shenandoah

463
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Speaker 3: with the with the simple Gifts melody from Copeland's Appalachian Spring.

464
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Speaker 3: Both were fitting for the event and location. Fifty horn

465
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 3: players make an incredible sound, and that was multiplied by

466
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Speaker 3: the novelty of playing in such a beautiful and unique space,

467
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Speaker 3: and of course by the way the space affected the sound.

468
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Speaker 3: With the event being open to every one of all

469
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Speaker 3: backgrounds and skill levels, and with us playing after a

470
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Speaker 3: few hours of driving and walking without a warm up,

471
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Speaker 3: the performance wasn't spotless, but I'm pretty sure no one

472
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Speaker 3: there cared. The pick up nature of a world premiere

473
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Speaker 3: by a group of people who had never played together

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Speaker 3: until a couple of days beforehand, After just two or

475
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Speaker 3: three short rehearsals with our music taped to each other's

476
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Speaker 3: backs since we couldn't bring music stands into the caverns,

477
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Speaker 3: seemed just right. And then David includes a link to

478
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Speaker 3: a YouTube video of the performance with some notes about

479
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Speaker 3: I don't know some self review, I guess. Then David says,

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Speaker 3: thanks for what you do. I've listened to every episode

481
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Speaker 3: since sometime in twenty eighteen, and I love getting to

482
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Speaker 3: nerd out and explore wild topics along with you. Then

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Speaker 3: there's a PS. David says, sorry for the additional email,

484
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Speaker 3: but recounting this experience made me recall the episode of

485
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Speaker 3: yours that comes to mind most often when performing with ensembles,

486
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Speaker 3: usually either very large ensembles due to sheer scope and size,

487
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Speaker 3: or small chamber ensembles in which all of the musicians

488
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Speaker 3: are very comfortable playing with and following one another. Your

489
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 3: episode on Commmuda often comes to mind. The more I

490
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 3: remember that bit of podcasting, the better I know a

491
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 3: rehearsal or show has gone. Oh that's sweet to hear. Yeah,

492
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 3: kama Muda being a name that some people coined to

493
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Speaker 3: describe a unique kind of togetherness emotion.

494
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Speaker 2: Was this possibly the here comes the Warm Feels episode

495
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: from twenty twenty?

496
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 3: Could be that? Yeah?

497
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that might be the one. It's in

498
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 2: the archives, so if anyone wants to look that one up,

499
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 2: just go to wherever you get your audio podcasts and

500
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Speaker 2: you can dig it out of the earth there.

501
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, and I didn't mention this, but David I

502
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 3: did click through. I watched some of the video with

503
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Speaker 3: the music, and it did sound really lovely. I liked

504
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 3: the original composition in the first half with the kind

505
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Speaker 3: of like a mounting overlapping sounding of the different horns,

506
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Speaker 3: and I thought it was very beautiful. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah. Horn music is not the first thing that

508
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Speaker 2: I would think about concerning music in the caves. I

509
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Speaker 2: don't know. I guess I would want it. Just seems

510
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: like I would want something very minimal because I just

511
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,959
Speaker 2: imagine things is getting very loud, very quickly in such

512
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Speaker 2: an enclosed space. But maybe part of this is just

513
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Speaker 2: my imagination.

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Speaker 3: I hear drums, drums and the TV. Yeah, okay, Rob,

515
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 3: you want to do some responses to our series on

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Speaker 3: the Suarro Cactus.

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Speaker 2: Sure? Yeah. This one comes to us from Alex's title

518
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 2: Suarro song. Hey dudes, first time, long time. Just started

519
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: listening to the episode on the Suaro Cactus, and I thought,

520
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 2: for sure you guys would mention the song Ain't No

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00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 2: Soarro in Texas by the inimitable Reverend Horton Heat. When

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Speaker 2: I heard Joe start to introduce a song that mentions

523
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: the cactus. I thought for sure that was what was coming.

524
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: The song is an alarmingly app counterpoint to You Guys's

525
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: episode discussing the actual habitat of the species and it's

526
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 2: hyperbolic association with all arid landscapes. The song is also

527
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 2: a complete bop and is indispensable if you're going to

528
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: be drinking cold beers on a hot day, and I

529
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 2: hope it would serve to acquaint the show with the

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Speaker 2: Honorable Reverend Horton Heat as a bestion of science and

531
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Speaker 2: culture in America. Huge fan love Weird House. You guys

532
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: are the best.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Alex. I was not familiar with this song.

534
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 3: I looked it up.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 3: It's a bop. I like it. Yeah. So the main

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00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 3: theme of the song is about how in all the movies,

538
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 3: like there's a line that says Hollywood and misinformed artists

539
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 3: made the swarro a Texas icon, but the souaro only

540
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 3: grows in Arizona, where people got them out on their lawn.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. It sounds more artful actually when he

542
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 3: sings it than when I just phrased it there. But

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00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 3: the chorus of the song goes, there ain't no souarro

544
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 3: in Texas. It's not the kind of cactus we got,

545
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 3: But somehow we're stuck with this image and changing it

546
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 3: is going to take a lot. Folks in Mexico and

547
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 3: Arizona are probably glad that I've cleared the air. There

548
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 3: ain't no soarro in Texas, but we've sure got a

549
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Speaker 3: lot of prickly pair.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know that I had heard this song before.

551
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: I occasionally will hear the revent horton heat and like,

552
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: if I'm listening to like a radio station of psychobilly,

553
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: you know it's They're kind of a mainstay of psychobilly.

554
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 2: I'm to understand, but I don't. But largely I don't

555
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: really know myself around the genre. I just have sometimes

556
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Speaker 2: put it on in the background.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. This next message is from Tyler. Tyler says,

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Speaker 3: hey you pals, I'm just starting the first episode on

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Speaker 3: the Souarro, and Joe mentions he thought they looked like

560
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 3: an antenna. Well, depending on where you are, the souarro

561
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Speaker 3: you are looking at might be an antenna. A lot

562
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 3: of cell phone towers in southern Arizona are made to

563
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 3: look like souarrows. This would be hilarious if they put

564
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 3: souarrow cell phone towers in Texas. Yeah, just keep keep

565
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 3: the insult going, presumably to disguise an iesore. But most

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Speaker 3: of the towers aren't fooling anyone and are more of

567
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Speaker 3: a distraction than an actual tower would be.

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Speaker 2: I can absolutely back those up from my time spent

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Speaker 2: in Arizona. But then the rest of my time spent

570
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Speaker 2: in Georgia. You know, we of course have the big

571
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 2: fake cell towers that are disguised as trees as well,

572
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: but are not fooling anyone. So this just seems to

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Speaker 2: be a standard tactic. I don't know what they what

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Speaker 2: else they disguise them as in other parts of the world.

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Speaker 3: They should just go whole hal Actually, not just Texas,

576
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 3: they should do suarrow cell towers nationwide. Why not towers

577
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 3: in Vermont? There you go.

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00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: Nobody's believing it anyway. Just make it look like some

579
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Speaker 2: sort of a crazy roadside attraction.

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Speaker 3: The email goes on, also regarding the story about the

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Speaker 3: guy that was crushed by a soarrow. This is the

582
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Speaker 3: guy who was crushed by a soarro after shooting it.

583
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 3: He shot it with a shotgun and then it fell

584
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Speaker 3: on him and killed him. This was in the nineteen eighties.

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00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 3: Tyler says. The irony of the story is that he

586
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 3: set out to destroy a protected species that ultimately was

587
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 3: his undoing. It is illegal to remove or damage a soorrow,

588
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 3: even on your own property. You need a permit, and

589
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 3: most of the time they will try to relocate it

590
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 3: rather than cut it down. This process can be costly

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00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 3: and dangerous. As noted in the story, soorro sections are

592
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Speaker 3: very heavy and prone to breaking off. If you haven't

593
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 3: come across crested soarrows in your research, I suggest looking

594
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 3: them up. They're pretty neat. I think the prevailing theory

595
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 3: for why they happen is due to frost damage. Well, Tyler,

596
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Speaker 3: as you probably know now, in the later parts of

597
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 3: that series, we did get into crested souarros, so I

598
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 3: hope you enjoyed that segment. But finally, Tyler says, thanks

599
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 3: for all the years of edge youtainment. Ooh, what an accusation, Tyler.

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00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 3: And then there's a ps hay pals again. Forgot to

601
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 3: mention I am born and raised in Tucson. Many of

602
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 3: the old Westerns you referenced the Westerns that wherever they

603
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 3: are set in the American West, they have souarros in them.

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00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 3: Tyler says many of them were filmed just to the

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Speaker 3: west in a little studio that is now a theme

606
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Speaker 3: part called Old Tucson Studios. If you had any questions

607
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 3: about souarros or the Sonoran Desert Desert area, I'd be

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Speaker 3: happy to answer them to the best of my ability. Tyler,

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00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:31,719
Speaker 3: Thank you, Tyler.

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Speaker 2: Awesome. As always, we appreciate the field reports. Very good,

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Speaker 2: very good. All right, here's another one. This one comes

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Speaker 2: to us from Chris. Subject line malic acid. Chris says,

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Speaker 2: I've never heard of malic acid before, but I listened

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00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: to Suaro Part two and saw this TikTok on the

615
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 2: same day. It is not my content, and I'm not

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Speaker 2: expecting you to share anything on the show, but I

617
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: found this an interesting extra note on the malic acid

618
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: powder you mentioned in the episode. It's probably much more

619
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Speaker 2: widely used than any of us know or expected. Love

620
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 2: the show and you guys, and looking forward to many more, Chris. So.

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Speaker 3: Chris includes a link to a video along with the email,

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Speaker 3: and yeah, this is picking up on in our discussion

623
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Speaker 3: about crasulation. Acid metabolism in the souaro cactus. That it

624
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 3: involves the use of this compound called malic acid. That

625
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 3: we were talking about its use in plant metabolism, but

626
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 3: then also talking about how it's actually a very familiar

627
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 3: flavor to most listeners, that it's part of what gives

628
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 3: the distinctive flavor of tartness in apples. I think the

629
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 3: name of malic acid comes from like apple acid, but

630
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 3: it's in tons of different plants. A lot of sour

631
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 3: flavors and fruits you recognize are going to be a

632
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 3: form of malic acid, but there are other acid compounds

633
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 3: and fruits as well. You've got citric acid and citric

634
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 3: citrus fruits and so on. But we also talk in

635
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 3: a funny twist about how some salt and vinegar potato

636
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 3: chips he used malic acid powder as one of the

637
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 3: tart components, which is funny because you would think they

638
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 3: would use a vinegar flavor, but actually it's a different acid. Anyway,

639
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 3: in this video, it is a it's a TikTok video

640
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 3: of a candy maker account called at Jeff's Candy Shop,

641
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 3: and so this guy in the video says he's trying

642
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 3: to make a hard candy similar to and I don't

643
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 3: know if I think maybe it's a now discontinued candy

644
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 3: called Altoid's Orange Sours. You ever have these?

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00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 2: Rub I don't know that I did that I did,

646
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 2: But certainly, when it comes to hard candies, the orange

647
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Speaker 2: flavored ones have always been my preference, even if I'm

648
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Speaker 2: even if I'm just going this flavor in general, if

649
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: I'm going for like a tongs, I'm going to go

650
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: for the orange ones first.

651
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 3: I like orange tew.

652
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, even if it just tastes like chalk, if

653
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: it's orange shok.

654
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 3: Orange gatorade. So anyway, in this video, the guy boils

655
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 3: the sugar syrup and he pours it out on a table.

656
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 3: It starts to cool and thicken up, and as it's

657
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 3: doing that, he folds in first citric acid powder for

658
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 3: one sour element, and then he keeps folding it to

659
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 3: mix it all around inside the candy. Then he stretches

660
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 3: it out on a candy hook to incorporate air, then

661
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 3: runs it through a crank press to stamp it out

662
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 3: into these little ball shapes that are going to be

663
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Speaker 3: the final shape. And then once all of the little

664
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 3: pellet sized candies are cool. The final thing he does

665
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 3: is he tosses them inside a container with powdered malic acid.

666
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 3: So that's the sour white powder on the outside. So

667
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: interesting that this sour candy has two different sour flavor elements.

668
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 3: It's got citric acid mixed in with the sugar syrup,

669
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Speaker 3: and then it's got malic acid dusted on the outside.

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Speaker 2: Fascinating. You know, I had to do a quick search

671
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 2: because I don't make as many tiki drinks as I

672
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 2: used to, but I was looking around online. I know

673
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: that there's some online recipes that call for malic acid.

674
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 2: But I also looked in my Beech bumb Berry app

675
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 2: which has all the classic recipes, and I did do

676
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 2: just a quick search here for malik and nothing came up.

677
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 2: So I presume this is more of a relatively modern

678
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: use of an ingredient antique recipes.

679
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think powdered malic acid is going

680
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 3: to be a standard thing in many cooks or mixologist pantries.

681
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 3: You know, that's like more of a either an industrial

682
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 3: ingredient or maybe for your advanced home molecular gastronomist or so.

683
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: That must be a yeah, like gastronomy obbyist and so forth.

684
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean not like there's anything all that crazy

685
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 3: about it. It just doesn't seem like a commonly used

686
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 3: ingredient in the home, more so at the industrials.

687
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had never run across it in a recipe before,

688
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 2: and I'm always running across things in recipes. Then I go, well,

689
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 2: I don't have that what's the substitute for that? But

690
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: I've never run across that one.

691
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 3: I mean it's kind of like how you know, sodium

692
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 3: citrate is something that's going to be in tons of

693
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 3: industry really produced foods, but is not going to be

694
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 3: in many people's home pantries, right right, Yeah.

695
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: All right, let's see we have some more soaro action here,

696
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 2: and the subject line here is teenage mutant Ninja Cactus.

697
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 3: Oh just to note that this message is from a

698
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 3: listener who gave both a real name, but then also

699
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 3: mentioned an alias, and I wasn't sure which one they

700
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 3: wanted us to use for the email, So we're just

701
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 3: going to say anonymous listener for now.

702
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 2: Right right. We don't want to blow your cover, but

703
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: one way or the other. So, yeah, this includes an

704
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:42,919
Speaker 2: image of the thing we're talking about here. The author rights,

705
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: Hello again, gentlemen. Just wanted to share a comic drawn

706
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: in part by my middle school art teacher circa ninety two.

707
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: Fun stuff. I haven't chimed in for a while. Twenty

708
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 2: twenty five was a tough year. Among other things, I

709
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 2: lost my dog, I Kabad. I wrote you once about

710
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 2: the connection between his name and the arc the Covenant.

711
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 2: But I remain a loyal listener, and I want you

712
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 2: to know how much I appreciate you being a part

713
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 2: of my life through thick and thin. And after this,

714
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: he includes a personal message about his intent to hide

715
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 2: the Appellation trail, So good luck with that. But yes,

716
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:20,919
Speaker 2: this is a comic book, and it is titled Sowarrow

717
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: So Warrior.

718
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 3: It is a Sowaro textured hero. It looks like Iceman

719
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 3: from the X Men. Is Iceman what he's called?

720
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, there's Iceman.

721
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, Iceman. It looks kind of like Iceman from the

722
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 3: X Men, except he's like green and covered in spines.

723
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: Yeah he looks Yeah, he also kind of looks he

724
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 2: looks like a number of different comic book characters. Whatever,

725
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 2: you're sort of like naked bald guy comic book character

726
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 2: is you know, be a Vision or any of these

727
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 2: sorts of characters. It's this except he's all cactus. So yeah, yeah,

728
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: pretty cool. Reminds me of some of the some of

729
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 2: the different comic books that I'll see and for sale

730
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 2: in like little museums through the Southwest, and a lot

731
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 2: of times these are written by indigenous comic book artists,

732
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 2: and there's always some sort of the unique, local and

733
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 2: or traditional spin on comic book motifs, which I think

734
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 2: is really cool.

735
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 3: Okay, next message comes from Mike. This is another follow

736
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 3: up on our long running Raven Riding Desk conundrum. So

737
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 3: Mike says, was listening to the newest Listener mail this morning,

738
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 3: then catching up on my comics later in the day

739
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 3: and came across this random panel in a recent issue

740
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:45,959
Speaker 3: of Batman slash Superman colon World's Finest Issue forty eight.

741
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 3: And then in the panel it is a hero. I

742
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 3: actually don't know who this is, Rob, You're gonna have.

743
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 2: Might be owl Man. Without actually looking up the issue

744
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,760
Speaker 2: in question, I get an Owlman vibe off of this design.

745
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, don't know who it is, but the hero

746
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 3: in a mask says, this idiot thought it'd be wise

747
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 3: to taunt me quote why is a raven like a

748
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 3: writing desk? And then Mike says the issue does not

749
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 3: offer any answers for it either, lol.

750
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: Like, well, yeah, as we discussed, it is, for the

751
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: most part in a riddle without answer, by the way,

752
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 2: and Mike, I appreciate sitting this in. This is great.

753
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 2: But I'd mentioned in the previous episodes that I recalled

754
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 2: this particular riddle from the nineteen eighty two animated film

755
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: The Last Unicorn, But then later on I expressed doubt

756
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 2: as to whether I actually heard it in that movie,

757
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 2: and maybe it was just misremembering it given the Lewis

758
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 2: Carroll roots of the thing. But I looked it up

759
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 2: and I can confirm that, yes, this riddle is referenced

760
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 2: without answer in The Last Unicorn.

761
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 3: Nice and remember the previous listener who wrote in and

762
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 3: included the list of answers people had come up with

763
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: for it, even though it's not supposed to have an answer.

764
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 3: I think the clean the tidiest one was because.

765
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 2: Poe wrote on both Yes, that was pretty good.

766
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 3: Let's see now, oh Rob, But we have next up.

767
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 3: If you're feeling brave, we have a Pokemon intensive message.

768
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 3: Do you have the fortitude for this intense dive into

769
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 3: Pokemon lore?

770
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? I guess, so let's do it. See what we got?

771
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 3: This is from Jeff take it? Take it?

772
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 2: Oh? Okay, all right, you want me to read it either? What?

773
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 3: Either way?

774
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: I could No, I'm happy to here we go this one. Yeah,

775
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 2: this one is titled Monsters for Your Pocket. Okay, Hey guys,

776
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 2: I accumulated some Pokemon related thoughts after listening to recent

777
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 2: IS shows. I agree with Rob that Pokemon Concierge on

778
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: Netflix is great. It doesn't have the depth of a

779
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 2: Kiki's Delivery Service. Of course, is the excellent Nyazaki film.

780
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 2: And you said your kiddo's a big fan of that one, now.

781
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 3: Right, My daughter's favorite movies. She's seen it a bazillion

782
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 3: times now and she was kekey for Halloween.

783
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: Ah. Well, if you want to introduce some Pokemon, this

784
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 2: might be the way to go. It is inevitable, one

785
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: would assume. Well, anyway, so just says it's no Kiky

786
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 2: Delivery service quote, but it does have a little ghibli flavor,

787
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: including the appreciation of nature and the joy of flight.

788
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: I would argue that it's the best Pokemon media ever created,

789
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 2: But then I was always more excited about the world's

790
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 2: ecology and biology, not so much the fighting. I prefer

791
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: the tangential world building. Weird stuff like the Detective Pikachu movie.

792
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: I totally agree there again, we may watch that one

793
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 2: on Weird House eventually. I really enjoyed that one. Concierg

794
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: is aggressively pleasant and easily digestible, A very short series

795
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 2: of very short episodes that just makes you feel good.

796
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 3: Now I'm sorry. I think we're probably going to be

797
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 3: recreating an exchange that already happened in earlier episodes, but

798
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 3: I don't remember the answer. Is Pokemon Concierge about an

799
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 3: actual concierge at a hotel.

800
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, where Pokemon creatures come for vacations, and it's

801
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: her job to make sure they're they're you know, they're

802
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 2: they're well looked after, and I think that they don't

803
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:15,919
Speaker 2: get in fights and stuff. So it's extremely comfy and

804
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 2: and and if memory serves, it's also kind of I

805
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 2: don't know if it's authentic stop motion, but at least

806
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,959
Speaker 2: has that style, so it's it's kind of a rub

807
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: the fur situation where you literally want to rub the

808
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 2: fur of the creatures beautiful. Okay, So Jeff continues with

809
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: more just Pokemon thoughts here. Pokemon's Snap was a really

810
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 2: fun game in which the point was to take pictures

811
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: of Pokemon in nature. It really gave me the feeling

812
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 2: of what it might be like to go on vacation

813
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 2: in their universe. Photos were scored on framing composition, whether

814
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 2: you captured interesting behavior, rare species, et cetera. No battles.

815
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 2: This was the height of Pokemon fever. So they even

816
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 2: had kiosks in the real world where you could bring

817
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: favorite photos from your game and print color stickers and such.

818
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 3: Whoa was this was? This available for the Nintendo sixty

819
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 3: four after had the same.

820
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 2: Home this was I had a Nintendo sixty four, but

821
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: I was again I missed the boat on all the

822
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 2: Pokemon stuff, so I was just oblivious if it.

823
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 3: Was okay, okay, jj just chimed in to say almost positive.

824
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 3: It was on the n sixty four. So I think

825
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 3: I'm remembering this game correctly. I think my roommates in

826
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 3: college had this game.

827
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Speaker 2: Okay, cool, cool, Jeff continues. My favorite episode of the

828
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: classic anime were the ones where they ditched the main

829
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 2: plot line entirely, such as the one that showed what

830
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 2: Professor Oak is doing all day, running experiments, performing statistical research,

831
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,720
Speaker 2: care and feeding of his Pokemon test subjects, et cetera.

832
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 2: It's a common theme in the game and the shows

833
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 2: that when Pokemon are discarded, they are transferred to Oak's lab.

834
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 2: This episode showed what happened on the other side of

835
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: those transactions and was proof that they weren't just sent

836
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 2: to quote a farm upstate.

837
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 3: Oh okay, that's nice to pick up on loose ends,

838
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 3: so people don't assume the worst.

839
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 2: Yes. In another episode, the human heroes and villains are

840
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 2: separated from their Pokemon, who are marooned on an island.

841
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 2: Miaw with a masterless Pokemon who chooses to be villainous.

842
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: Tries to rally the villain's Pokemon to fight the hero's team,

843
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: arguing that as bad guys, they should stick together. This

844
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: leads to a philosophical debate among the little monsters, with

845
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 2: the other bad Pokemon insisting that Pokemon are neither inherently

846
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 2: good nor evil, and they only fight to please their masters,

847
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: and there was no way that they were going to

848
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 2: attack their brothers just to please some third party jerk

849
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: trying to stir up trouble. I think they all end

850
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 2: up having snacks around a campfire or something like that.

851
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,479
Speaker 3: Is a masterless Pokemon kind of like a Ronan, I guess.

852
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 2: So the Pokemon human relationship certainly raises a lot of questions,

853
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: which again, like this is kind of one of the

854
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 2: interesting parts about the world building in Detective Pikachu, where

855
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 2: it kind of it's almost like like, clearly they took

856
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: some inspiration from Blade Runner, and there's sort of like this,

857
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 2: how do humans and replicans live alongside each other? How

858
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 2: to pokemons and humans live alongside each other?

859
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 3: That sort of thing.

860
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,479
Speaker 2: But there's no there's no Blade Runner out there icing

861
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: Pokemon in the street just to go ahead and prepare

862
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 2: everyone for that.

863
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 3: They don't have a void komp test.

864
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 2: No, there there are. There is one really key c

865
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: scene where a Pokemon is interrogated.

866
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 3: Okay, Mew two, I'll tell you about Mew two.

867
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 2: All right, Jeff continues. One thing that's never been clear

868
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 2: to me. Are there any regular animals in their universe?

869
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 2: I have I have asked my child this as well,

870
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 2: and uh the answer was wishy washy, but perhaps not anyway,

871
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 2: Jeff continues, says, I don't remember ever seeing anyone with

872
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 2: a regular dog or cat as a pet, though there

873
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 2: are many dog and cat Pokemon analogs, and in fact,

874
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 2: many species are explicitly described in relation to mundane animals.

875
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 2: Whenever they eat on the show, the food seems to

876
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 2: be vegetarian. Perhaps the notion of slaughtering and consuming creatures

877
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 2: who can follow complex instructions and pronounce their own names

878
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 2: was just completely beyond the pale in their world.

879
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I can imagine that. Yeah. So if they

880
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 3: have Pokemon instead of animals, and the Pokemon are a

881
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,919
Speaker 3: little too lovable, like, can't you can't eat any of them?

882
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 2: Yeah? Like, really, the idea of eating a Pokemon is grotesque.

883
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 2: I think we can all agree. Back when the Good

884
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 2: Jeff continues, Back when it was all the rage, I

885
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 2: ran into a young guy playing Pokemon Go in a park.

886
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 2: He had just caught his favorite a corsela, a coral

887
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: based species. They can only survive in clean water. He

888
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: was excited because he was about to start undergraduate marine

889
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 2: science work protecting real life coral species from bleaching due

890
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: to climate change. Wow, he said he didn't know if

891
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 2: he would have been on this path in life, if

892
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 2: not for course Sola, that's intense. Is that I'd love

893
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 2: to hear that. So I believe the franchise Jeff continues

894
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 2: actually has some positive effect, hopefully enough to counter its

895
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: merch contribution to the Great Pacific garbage patch. Wow.

896
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 3: Well, I feel like we've heard enough from different listeners

897
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 3: in this regard that I'm pretty confident it really does

898
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 3: drive people to go into the biological sciences and zoology especially,

899
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,919
Speaker 3: I guess. I mean we heard from that the other

900
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 3: listener who like runs the Pokemon themed wildlife camps for kids. Yeah,

901
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 3: so I'm sold on the idea it really does get

902
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 3: kids in the biological creature orientation space.

903
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, it's like fascination with monsters, you know,

904
00:49:53,800 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 2: or you know, mythology and all these things activate the

905
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 2: wonder centers of the brain, you know. And we can

906
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 2: have wonder about the fantastic and the imagined, but we

907
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 2: can have equal and even greater amounts of wonder about

908
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 2: the natural world. And these things are interconnected. Oh, let's see.

909
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 2: But Jeff is not done. Jeff also chimes in on polywater.

910
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 2: It says, on a related note, polywater doesn't seem to

911
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 2: have been completely eliminated.

912
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 3: Well, Jeff's polywater syndrome doesn't seem to have been.

913
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 2: Oh, polywater syndrome. I'm sorry, I just read the email.

914
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 2: I was imagining polywater is actually real and there's some

915
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 2: of it out there and we have to eliminate it.

916
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 3: It is not real. So to explain, Jeff links to

917
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 3: a University of Michigan press release headline nitrial and latex

918
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 3: gloves may cause overestimation of microplastics University of Michigan study

919
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 3: reveals so. To read a bit from the top of

920
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 3: this article quote, nitrial and latex gloves that scientists wear

921
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 3: while they are measuring microplastics may lead to a potential

922
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 3: overestimation of the tiny pollutants, according to a University of

923
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 3: Michigan study. The study found that gloves may unintentionally contaminate

924
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 3: lab equipment scientists use to measure microplastics in air, water

925
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 3: and other samples with non plastic particles called steer rates.

926
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 3: University of Michigan researchers Matteline Clough and Ann McNeil suggest

927
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 3: clean room gloves, which release fewer particulates, be worn instead.

928
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 3: So the similarity to the polywater issue here would be

929
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 3: that if these researchers are correct, simple contamination problems contamination

930
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 3: of samples is contributing to a trend or perception in

931
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 3: recent research. That perception is about the abundance of microplastics

932
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 3: in the environment. But I think even if these critics

933
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 3: of microplastics research are correct, there's a major difference in

934
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 3: both quality and quantity of the misdirection that follows from

935
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 3: that contamination. So this is not arguing. The researchers here

936
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 3: are not arguing that there is no proliferation of microplastics

937
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 3: in the environment, just that it is somewhat overestimated by

938
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 3: contamination issues caused by lab gloves. So you know, they're

939
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 3: not at all suggesting that microplastics are a wholly invented

940
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:25,439
Speaker 3: imaginary substance like polywater turned out to be. To read

941
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 3: from the article, this is quoting in McNeil, the senior

942
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 3: author of the study and a University of Michigan professor

943
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 3: of chemistry, macromolecular science, and engineering. McNeil says, quote, we

944
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 3: may be overestimating microplastics, but there should be none. There's

945
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 3: still a lot out there and that's the problem.

946
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, very important to stress here, especially given how easily

947
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 2: a paper like this can be misconstrued in ther some

948
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 2: corners of the media, where if something is not if

949
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 2: there's some correction on something that was previously thought, well,

950
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 2: then it's spun as a hoax or some sort of

951
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 2: nefarious plot to get you to I don't know, but

952
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 2: buy less plastic, that sort of thing.

953
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a really good point. Motivated parties often like

954
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 3: to take research like this that expresses any skepticism or

955
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:22,240
Speaker 3: correction of a trend in research as proof that the

956
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 3: entire trend in research is false, which is not the case.

957
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 3: Here was the case for polywater, does not appear to

958
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,280
Speaker 3: it all be the case for microplastics. They're real.

959
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: All right, Well, Jeff closes out this email by saying,

960
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 2: thanks again for providing such varied and weird content. Your

961
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 2: shows have been helping to distract me as I recover

962
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 2: from injury. You provide an excellent service to us all Jeff.

963
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 3: I wish you a speedy recovery.

964
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 2: Jeff, absolutely all right. Well you know, Joe, I'm at

965
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 2: six percent battery on my laptop. Here, let's do a

966
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 2: little weird house before everything dies on it.

967
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 3: Okay, let's wrap it up. Pick, take your pick, of

968
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 3: any of the Weird House messages.

969
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,919
Speaker 2: Oh, let's see, there's some good ones here, some good

970
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 2: recommendations here for films that we have not watched yet.

971
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 2: Let's just see where my cursor lands. This one comes

972
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 2: to us from lf. LF says, Hey, have you guys

973
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 2: done what Dreams May Come? I saw it a very

974
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 2: long time ago, probably twenty years, but it stayed with

975
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 2: me to this day. Not horror exactly, but more about

976
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 2: the horrors of real life and how one man goes

977
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 2: about dealing with it. Thanks.

978
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 3: No, we have not done it on the show. And

979
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,240
Speaker 3: I've never seen this movie.

980
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I saw. I think I saw it in

981
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 2: theaters when it came out. Of course, has you know

982
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 2: the late great Robin Williams based on matheson work and

983
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 2: if memory, if my memory is correct, Werner Herzog has

984
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 2: a cameo in it. Oh, and it is essentially a

985
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 2: harrowing of hell, sort of a venturing into the underworld

986
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 2: in search of lost loved ones, that sort of thing.

987
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 3: Oh, kind of orphig tale. Yeah, yeah, okay, I'm going

988
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 3: to do this message from Scott because it also pertains

989
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:16,879
Speaker 3: to Richard Matheson. So this was a response to our

990
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:21,280
Speaker 3: episode on The Last Man on Earth during Vincent Price

991
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 3: the adaptation of Matheson's I Am Legend, Scott says, thank

992
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 3: you so much for covering I Am Legend on Weird House.

993
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,240
Speaker 3: Richard Matheson's novel is one of my all time favorites,

994
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,919
Speaker 3: and your discussion reminded me that it has been an

995
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 3: inexcusable length of time since my last reread. I found

996
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 3: your comparison of the ending's tone interesting. You offered variations

997
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 3: on two views for the ending of the movie. Number one,

998
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 3: the end is bleak because it is the end of

999
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,919
Speaker 3: real humanity with the death of Morgan as the last Man.

1000
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 3: And two, it's an uplifting end because the monster is

1001
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 3: gone and the new people can get on with creating

1002
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 3: the new civilis a I offer a third view, it

1003
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 3: is a depressing ending because the new society reveals itself

1004
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,839
Speaker 3: to be subject to the same prejudices and hatred as

1005
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 3: the old one. In the movie version, when they kill Morgan,

1006
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 3: they destroy the hope of a true cure for the

1007
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 3: disease his blood as the source of antibodies. Their fear

1008
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 3: and desire for vengeance doom them to continue the stopgap

1009
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 3: treatment they've been using to keep the disease at bay.

1010
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 3: The novel does not include any of the ideas that

1011
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 3: Morgan's blood has curative properties, but the depressing ending is

1012
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 3: still there because of the ferocity with which the living

1013
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 3: infected slaughter the undead vampires when they come to seize Morgan,

1014
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,760
Speaker 3: and the loathing with which he's treated while held captive

1015
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 3: before his execution. The Wikipedia article states it as quote

1016
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 3: fiendish glee, which matches my recollection of the scenes in

1017
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 3: the novel. In the end, the new society is subject

1018
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 3: to the same prejudices fear, hatred, and violence toward the

1019
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 3: other as humanity has always been, be they undead vampires

1020
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 3: or Morgan Scott. Yeah, that's an interesting view that. So

1021
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 3: there are a new people in a way, and so

1022
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 3: in one sense we're predisposed toward their success because they're

1023
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 3: people if you accept them as people, like they are

1024
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 3: the people now, but also they're people in all the

1025
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 3: bad ways.

1026
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's been a while since I've seen Omega man.

1027
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 2: But they lean into this a bit more by having

1028
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 2: the new people as mutants is kind of like ghoules,

1029
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 2: kind of like the mutants that live underneath the planet

1030
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 2: of the apes, and they're essentially like carrying out like

1031
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 2: an anti technology inquisition as well. So yeah, very much

1032
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 2: summoning up these ideas of like, yep, these are the

1033
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 2: new people, same problems as with the old people. Nice

1034
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 2: but maybe, just maybe Chuck Heston will give his life

1035
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 2: to save everybody. We'll see. We may come back and

1036
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 2: discuss the Mega Man in full at some point in

1037
00:57:59,360 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 2: the future.

1038
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 3: Okay, you want to do one more?

1039
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see what we What do we got? We

1040
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 2: got some more mentions of films. Yeah, here's one from Dean. Hey, guys,

1041
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 2: just sending you some recommendations for Weird House two. I've

1042
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 2: mentioned before. First Encounters of the Spooky Kind, which you

1043
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 2: guys have been talking about featuring since you covered Mister

1044
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 2: Vampire back in twenty twenty one. Twenty twenty one, Come on, guys.

1045
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 2: Then there's Latitude Zero, a kooky one featuring Christopher Lee.

1046
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 2: Then two more, the Angry Red Planet and the Monolith Monsters.

1047
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 2: We've mentioned monolith monsters for sure on the show, and

1048
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 2: I think we've mentioned Angry Red Planet. Think about it,

1049
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 2: and thanks for the show, Dean. Well, Dean, thanks for

1050
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 2: I like it when people keep writing in about shows.

1051
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 2: Don't let us forget the ones that we need to cover. Yeah,

1052
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 2: Encounters of the Spooky Kind is a very important film

1053
00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 2: in the history of this sort of supernannatural film, Hong

1054
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 2: Kong supernatural picture, and that's one I would like to

1055
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 2: cover that at some point. And then yeah, the model

1056
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 2: of Monsters has come up on the show as well,

1057
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 2: so yeah, I have to look I'm not as familiar

1058
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 2: with Latitude Zero. I need to look that one up,

1059
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 2: but generally, if Christopher Lee is in it, it's probably watchable.

1060
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 3: Hey, do you have enough laptop battery for me to

1061
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 3: do one more message here?

1062
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 2: Let's find out.

1063
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 3: Okay, this is from Lynn. Lynn says subject line film

1064
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:38,959
Speaker 3: for Weird House Cinema starring baby Hugh Grant. Lynn says,

1065
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 3: a great, totally bonkers film for Weird House Cinema is

1066
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 3: Layer of the White Worm, starring Hugh Grant before anyone

1067
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 3: knew who he was. Rob Have we not done Lair

1068
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 3: of the White Worm? I thought we had.

1069
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 2: We almost did it once. Okay, you picked it and

1070
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 2: then then, you know, for various reasons. Sometimes we'll change

1071
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 2: things at the last minute.

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Speaker 3: I don't remember why that was. Okay, Yeah, anyway, Lynn

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Speaker 3: says Hugh Grant, before anyone knew who he was, almost

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Speaker 3: called him Lou Grant at least he probably hope so.

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Speaker 3: And I wonder if he lists it highly on his

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Speaker 3: filmography nowadays. I'm guessing not, but he should. Layer of

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Speaker 3: the White Worm is so balls to the wall crazy

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Speaker 3: it deserves to be celebrated somewhere. One viewer's warning, however,

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Speaker 3: devoted Catholics might be offended at one scene involving a crucifix. No,

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Speaker 3: nothing like The Exorcist. Layer is one of my favorite

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Speaker 3: films of all time. It's my dream to see it

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Speaker 3: discussed on a show like yours. Keep up the great

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Speaker 3: and important work you're doing. Best wishes, Lynn. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 3: well I've forgotten whatever happened to that time we almost

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Speaker 3: did it. But I have long enjoyed this movie. My

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Speaker 3: wife and I both love it. It's kind of a

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Speaker 3: favorite horror movie in our house. It's it's very, very weird, definitely,

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Speaker 3: and has a great sense of humor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I honestly don't know how you Grant

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Speaker 2: views it, but you know he got to work with

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Speaker 2: Ken Russell on it. It's a kN Russell film, so

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Speaker 2: I would hope that you know, there's there's some fondness

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Speaker 2: for that, and in general, yes, if you were, if

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Speaker 2: you were, of if you find yourself sometimes offended by

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Speaker 2: religious content and films, Ken Russell movies might not be

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Speaker 2: for you, yes, but but he is he is indeed

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Speaker 2: quite a fascinating filmmaker.

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Speaker 3: I enjoyed Lin's warning that there might be one little

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Speaker 3: scene that could be offensive to Catholics, a tiny little

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Speaker 3: bit of blasphemy. Yeah, no, yeah, it's it. I think

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Speaker 3: will be a highly offensive affair. But but I don't know,

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Speaker 3: it's also very it's got a lightheartedness to it. Also,

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Speaker 3: it's very fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm a we need It would be great

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Speaker 2: to figure out what kN Russell film we should cover,

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Speaker 2: because there there's you know, a lot of a lot

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Speaker 2: of really good, weird Ken Russell movies.

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Speaker 3: Totally Okay, does that do it for today?

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Speaker 2: I think that's probably for today. But we have so

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Speaker 2: much we didn't get to.

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Speaker 3: We'll touch more in the bag here, So we're gonna

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Speaker 3: have to do another Listener Mail episode pretty soon. I

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Speaker 3: think in a few weeks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just in a few weeks. So if we didn't

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Speaker 2: get to what you wrote, us. Don't worry. We may

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Speaker 2: get to it next time, but don't let that stop

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Speaker 2: how we sound, and so forth. All of it's fair game.

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Speaker 2: We'd love to hear from you. Just a reminder that

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Speaker 2: Stuff to Blow Your Mind is primarily a science and

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Speaker 2: most serious concerns, so just talk about a weird film

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Speaker 2: on Weird House Cinema.

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